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CRIA, MPAA Demand Expanded DMCA For Canada
An anonymous reader writes "The Canadian Recording Industry Association and the MPAA's Canadian
subsidiary are demanding
that Canada adopt copyright laws that go beyond even the DMCA. The
groups demand anti-circumvention law, three strikes and you're out
legislation, and increased secondary liability for websites. The
demands come as part of the national copyright
consultation in which hundreds of Canadians have spoken out against such
reforms."
Who the fuck are they to demand that a country do their bidding? Go to hell already.
So what we have is the average Canadian, thinking their government should do one thing, and a few vested parties (with A LOT of $$$) disagreeing. I know how this plays out on this side of the border, but will Canadian govt actually listen to it's people? Eh? Greg
Fuck you.
We've been opposed to this shit since the beginning of your so-called "reforms," and now you go one further and try to make it even more draconian?
And you wonder why I have no qualms subverting your business model and giving money in a more direct manner to the artist instead.
Sometimes I wonder if I think too much.
hundreds of Canadians have spoken out
Who does that leave?
THL phish sticks
Canadians demand RIAA, MPAA, CRIA go die in a fire!
There is a war going on for your mind.
In a lot of ways Canada, like the US under President Obama, has done alright on Net Neutrality issues. Copyright is another matter. Canada has been staggering backwards for quite some time on that issue. Net Neutrality is threatening to everyone but the ISPs that stand to profit from it, Copyright is a much uglier matter. It's been a long time since I heard anyone say "but we pay tax on blank cds, it's okay to copy here! We already had this fight over tapes decades ago!" The way things are going I guess we just pay that tax for the hell of it.
Why the hell would adding draconian laws favorable only to certain industries be called "reforms"?
More trade sanctions? You already steal our lumber at less than market value, we sell you power at less than market value, you fish our waters, you drink our water, you consume our oil. Not really sure what else America can make Canada do that they haven't already done to us. Fuck off MPAA, this is a battle you won't win. Canada is united in protecting our freedoms, we don't roll over like the other sheep you've steam rolled.
NCFPM (National Coalition of Five-hundred Pound Men) demands that Taco Bell increases sour cream levels in the Nachos Belle Grande!
Cell Phone companies demand the right to increase text messaging rates using a logarithmic scale, and to charge a monthly rent for those you don't immediately delete!
ICBE (International Coalition for Bathwater Equality) demands that whenever bathwater is thrown out, a baby is included!
A friend of mine said once that the global corporations, by nature of the vast resources they control, actually formulate government policy and the elected politicians are the ones tasked with selling those policies to the public. There are minor exceptions such as privatizing Social Security in Bush II's second term in which public opposition is too strong to put through the policy, but these are few and far between.
In the case of the DMCA, this couldn't be closer to the truth. The problem is that the politicians have had difficulty selling the idea to Canadians at large, and prioritizing it in a minority government.
With the comment submission process, the elites can make the already formulated policies more palatable to Canadians. Perhaps there will be a few minor compromises. But in the end, they'll get what they want once they find the right "marketing" formula.
Personally, I find the idea that my internet access could be cut off after three false accusations of piracy to be frightening. I don't pirate anything, but the methodology for associating individuals with IP addresses is rife with errors and false positives.
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Doesn't mean anyone in going to listen to those criminals.
Oh, and if you defend their position, you are ultimately working for their cause. Even if you're just stating their position (and thereby promote it).
Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from stupidity.
Stephen Harper is like Bush, but without the charisma.
the next time you produce a movie why don't you just keep it locked in your vaults and don't let anyone touch it or see it, then nobody will be able to copy/download/upload or pirate it. if someone can see it you can bet they will find a way to make a copy to either share freely or to sell on the black market. and even those that technically don't know how to do it will just get one of those copies so in the long run you are wasting your time and money...
those that just want to go to the theater will go anyway even if it is available free because they can go with friends & family or on a romantic date and enjoy the show (popcorn and sodapop too) and you still get your billions in return for your investment, so please quit acting like a paranoid selfish kid afraid that somebody is going to take a piece of your candy...
Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
As long as I can retrieve data over a network, piracy will always be possible.
"The Canadian Recording Industry Association and the MPAA's Canadian subsidiary are demanding that Canada adopt copyright laws"... How exactly can these un-elected entities demand changes in legislation? Do voters (the actual tax-payer people of the land) have right to refuse such demand, or even to initiate to revoke the rights of these organizations to "demand" any legislation? What gives these corporate interest groups the right at the first place to be entitled to demand any kind of legislation?
Because, don't forget, according to surveys, Canada has more piracy than the US.
These surveys which I refer to are the ones which they admitted they extrapolated from the American data, without actually considering Canada at all...
So it makes total sense to demand stricter laws.
Funny may not give karma, but +5 Informative never made anyone snort coffee out their nose.
In Canada, broadband is classified as an essential service, so any 3 strikes law will fail. You cannot deny a person what is deemed a right.
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If this goes through, it'll totally make it harder to use the, "If x happens, I'll just move to Canada," argument. What a bunch of butt nuts.
I seem to recall quite a few incidents where the RIAA, MPAA and their members and brethren have been caught using unlicensed code on their websites.
Now, if this code is part of the navigation, chances are it'll be included on every single page served. Now, even if say http://www.riaa.com only got 100 visitors per day, and each visitor only visited two pages, that'd be 200 counts of breach of copyright.
At an average $22,500 per copyright violation, that comes up at $4,500,000 ... per day.
Step 1) Write code
Step 2) Find RIAA using that code unlicensed
Step 3) Profit
Even if they somehow get the damages reduced in court, they'll be arguing that their own claims for damages are completely out of proportion.
Plus, as a group who is supposedly on the side of the creators, it'd look really bad if they tried to claim ignorance, unfair damages, that code isn't worth as much as songs etc.
Basically it's a win-win situation.
So, to all you bright people out there, I urge you to get hacking!
But don't go putting code onto their webservers without them knowing it - that defence doesn't fly well in RIAA cases, and it'd be unfair to use it against them ;)
Me and my Canadian buddy have now decided that anything that ends with a capital 'A' is now evil and must be destroyed.
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I demand that my members of parliament, regardless of party affiliation, stand up to these greed-interested lobby groups and champion the best interests of the people they serve - the people who elected them to their positions.
As a voting Canadian, I assure the people in power that I do have influence over their job security should my demands not be met. Given that I am confident that my demands are not dissimilar to the demands of other Canadians, I would strongly suggest that the decision-makers of Canada pay close attention to my demands lest they find themselves out of work and replaced with someone who _is_ willing to represent the best interests of the people of my great nation.
Further, I, as a proud Canadian, demand that lobby groups that do not serve the best interests of the people of my great nation fuck the hell off.
I'm willing to entertain the MPAA's proposal. But as a concession, I'd like DMCA repealed in US. Gimme that, and you can do whatever you want to Canada. Do we have a deal?
As copyright owner of this comment, I authorize everyone to defeat any technological measure which limits access to it.
The MPAA/RIAA/etc gets their draconian copyright laws but with two modifications:
1) When the copyright on a work expires, they are required to publish a high quality public domain version of the work in a well-documented format. (e.g. a high bitrate MP3 or lossless FLAC for audio. MPEG-2 for video.)
2) Copyright terms will be shortened to 5 years.
My sci-fi novel, Ghost Thief, is now available from Amazon.com.
Let me say, go fuck yourself!
Thank you...
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If these sorts of draconian reforms go through I seriously am tempted to protest this by immolating myself on the Parliament lawn in Ottawa.
Will the corrupters of the U.S. get control of Canada, too?
By some measures, the U.S. government is the most corrupt in the world. For example, this Rolling Stone article: The Great American Bubble Machine. (The full article is in the paper edition, available at any library.)
The U.S. government spends more money on surveillance and war than any country in the history of the world. That taxpayer money partly helps those who want corruption to profit, and hurts U.S. taxpayers, and the entire world. For just one example, see the book: House of Bush, House of Saud
The U.S. government has invaded or bombed 25 countries since the 2nd world war. Most or all of the interference was for profit. Quote: '... although nearly all the post-World War II interventions were carried out in the name of "freedom" and "democracy," nearly all of them in fact defended dictatorships controlled by pro-U.S. elites' The dictators pay the corrupters. In Iraq, the U.S. government wanted control over the oil, and didn't care how many people it killed. In Afghanistan, the corrupters want to build an oil pipeline from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan to a port where the oil can be delivered.
The U.S. government has a higher percentage of its people in prison than any country ever in the history of the world, over 6 times higher than in Europe, for example. Wikipedia quote: Approximately one in every 18 men in the United States is behind bars or being monitored.
U.S. citizens don't want to believe that their government is as corrupt as it is, even though the recent financial corruption has made many of them poor.
If the corrupters have success in Canada, they will only want more. The problem is MUCH bigger than most people think.
Demand? Or what? They'll stop paying taxes? Stop producing movies/music? Protest? Leave the country?
Companies that still make money hand over fist in this economy don't have a lot of leverage with your average citizen. I suppose making demands like that makes incoming legislation seem more like a legitimate response to a real problem than calling your pocket gov't lackey and getting it done on the sly does.
There's been a lot of concern expressed in Canadian universities about how this will affect them, particularly long distance institutions like the Athabasca University. The copyright restrictions put them in a very precarious position that could increase licensing costs, make educational materials inaccessible or result in fines. There's no provision to protect such institution and their use of material, and nothing to even warn them if they risk violation. The threat to educators may be even more significant than the threat to individuals in this case, and it runs a serious risk of being overlooked in this ongoing crusade against copyright violation.
Why is there a 'republican' keyword when almost every single recording industry person is a Democrat?? You guys are intellectually dishonest, and uncle fuckers to boot, eh?
Well, I demand that Mitch Bainwol eats my dick.
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We now have fantastic communication access to our fellow humans. We also have access to awesome creative tools that allow us to express ourselves graphically and aurally. Thanks to the BSD and GNU people we have free creative tools and the tools to create those tools.
It seems to me that the vital battles over the Internet center on reasonable access to bandwidth--not bandwidth for receiving data from the Cloud, but bandwidth for uploading and receiving content to and from the World.
What's the big deal about downloading Michael Jackson music or Terminator videos? Why waste so much time over such stupid drivel!! Express your own damn self!!!!
I felt a great disturbance in Canada, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly served with Lawsuits.
You can fool some of the people all of the time
If you want 50, ask for 100 and let yourself be argued down a bit.
There is no "-1 offended" or "-1 you don't agree with me" mod options for a reason.
Please... mod-up parent. This is so true.
Still hoping for Gentle Treatment...
Seriously... they're trying to infect the entire globe with the consumer-shafting BS that is the DMCA. DMCA = Dominate/Manipulate Consumer Act.
I'm not your buddy, guy...
Write your MP, phone him (long distance rates are TOO cheap).
Do the same to the Prime Minister
Locate them here.
Write your newspaper. Sign up in the consultation.
Talk to others who care.
Be respectful and clear. Here are some potential talking points:
1. The levy should be enough.
2. Ordinary citizens keep opposing this, don't keep re-introducing it.
3. If a politician wants to reverse alienation of young voters, come out vocally against bills like this.
Maybe one day this will stop coming back?
Still hoping for Gentle Treatment...
Do you remember the private copying levy that the Liberals introduced back in 1997? Where we have to pay extra money on all blank media we buy here to compensate the poor media companies and the losses they incur?
Actually, this was a godsend in disguise, because it essentially created a giant loophole for Bittorrent operators in Canada. The CRIA hasn't been nearly as successful as their American counterpart because infringing citizens can happily point to the levy and say, "You're already getting your cut, so STFU."
What the fuck are they thinking!
It's time to have laws to protect the people against this kind of crap.
Or we should stop having elections and start putting big companies in "the government" directly.
Privacy is terrorism.
... kill the MPAA lawers, do not let they get into yours country
Religion: The greatest weapon of mass destruction of all time
The MPAA and RIAA are trying to create precedent elsewhere so they can ram this bullshit down the throat of the U.S. is what's going on here.
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
I did attempt to submit this as a story a year ago. Didn't make the cut:
rbrander writes "Canadian copyright watchdog Michael Geist has written the story of How the U.S. got its Canadian copyright bill". The arm-twisting was pretty up-front: "Canadian officials arrived ready to talk about a series of economic concerns but were quickly rebuffed by their U.S. counterparts, who indicated that progress on other issues would depend upon action on the copyright file." ... "the USTR...made veiled threats about 'thickening the border' between Canada and the U.S. if Canada refused to put copyright reform on the legislative agenda."
The link for that submission was: http://www.thestar.com/sciencetech/article/443867
So, bottom line: It isn't the industry telling a nation of 30M people what to do, it's an industry saying "We pull strings and US trade negotiators dance the mamba for us. Do as you're told or they'll dance that mamba all over your timber, cattle, grain, and steel sales to a trading partner 10X your size."
Not many people know that Canada is the US' largest trading partner: much larger than China, larger than China and Britain combined. But the converse is staggering: the US is 80% of our TOTAL world trade. When the US negotiators hit the table saying "No discussion of of all our trade issues about the big-ticket items until you cave on the little wee Intellectual Property issue", the Canadian government has very little choice but to comply. That goes across party lines.
How the Canadian copyright lobby uses fakes, fronts, and circular references to subvert the debate on copyright. Interesting article from BoingBoing.Net, back on June 24th.
Any law that makes every citizen of the country a criminal is pointless and unenforceable.
I'm always amazed at the industry spokespeople, and often wonder what planet they are from, because they certainly aren't from the same planet I'm from.
It's not just copyright. We have a concerted lobbying campaign going on by the car dealers claiming that privately imported vehicles are the enemy of all that is free and right and holy and will cause the end of civilization as we know it, even though the sales of such vehicles are much smaller than, say, Lexus. They have a particular bee in their collective bonnet about right-hand drive vehicles, since these are the most obvious imports.
...laura
because infringing citizens can happily point to the levy and say, "You're already getting your cut, so STFU."
Sure, you can say that. In what context do you plan on saying that?
At a political discussion with the politicians who listens to the money you don't have?
Or in the court room, with the judge who looks at the copyright law which forbids you from copying and distributing, and which hasn't been repealed just because you have been made to pay due to a presumption of the guilt of someone?
I think "You're already getting your cut, so STFU" is a really great argument. The people who aren't already convinced don't. I don't know what that buys you, but please have some more of it ;-)
Damned good points, and We The People south of the 49th should remember that as well, since our own gov't has forgotten that we are CITIZENS, and now sees us only as REVENUE SOURCES. And of course, when lobbying interests get into the act, that's REVENUE -- into politicians' warchests and into the corps' bank accounts.
~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
I have come up with a partial work-around to get the media to actually consider the issue:
I have actually done this on one occasion. I sent feedback on the local CBC (Edmonton) web-site pointing out that the YouTube TOS prohibited filming the screen (as was done for a story about a YouTube Video). The proposed legislation I read (forget if it was C-60 or C-61) actually had a section saying web-site terms take precedence over the rest of the law. I think with reforms such as that, the media is open to larger liability than individual file-sharers.
One potential draw-back of such a campaign is that the media may just "license" the work or make it hard to determine if the video is a screen-shot. Such behavior would miss the point entirely.
Once we all move over to the free model.. we won't need all these ***A associations.
Lookout! It's coming.
When most modern means of control are at least related to technology, perhaps the average person needs to question whether it is in their interests to leave such matters to "geek circles."
This just surrenders power to a self-described and self-appointed technological elite who claims to have all the answers.
.. a strategy as old as the hills. Aim as high as you can. Aim for the moon. Demand absolutely draconian laws. Then bend a bit to get what it was you originally wanted. Look, we're compromising.. it's still a criminal offense to mod your cell phone so you can play your own MP3s on it instead of being limited to the DRM ringtones, but at least there's no three strikes you're out rule!
"The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." George Bernard Shaw