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Communication Lost With Indian Moon Satellite
stoolpigeon writes "All communication links with the only Indian satellite orbiting the Moon have been lost, India's space agency says. Radio contact with the Chandrayaan-1 spacecraft was lost abruptly early on Saturday, said India's Bangalore-based Space Research Organization (ISRO)."
... Are they sure that was a moon?
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They must have asked it something that wasn't on the script!
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shortly before contact was lost the system was upgraded to be rfc1149 compliant
They will at least find out what happened. The more efficient space agencies we have exploring, the better overall for the planet.
Makes the game more fun.
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Hey India, maned mission next time around, show us some drama.
have a base on the dark side. Obviously they are to blame.
All you touch and all you see is all your life will ever be. -PF
Before this thread fills up completely with cynical wisecracking Americans, let me be the first to say, as a cynical wisecracking American, go India!
Seriously. You guys have a very solid set of rockets, a good broad focus (China's too focused on manned missions), and the technical skills to make it happen.
See you at Jupiter someday!
OPERATOR: Hello, my name is Prakesh Vijay Chandrashekar Subrayaman, but please call me "Bob." What seems to be the problem today?
MISSION CONTROL: We've lost communications with our lunar satellite.
"BOB": I see. Well, have you tried rebooting the system?
MC: There is no system to reboot. It's a satellite, not a PC!
"BOB": I see. Well, have you checked to see if the power cord is plugged into the device?
MC: Are you not listening? There is no power cord, it's a *satellite*.
"BOB": I see. Well, sir, I'll need you to find the original CD-ROM that came with the satellite and put it into the CD-ROM drive, the turn the power off, then turn it back on again.
MC: OK, this is getting ridiculous, "Bob". I thought this was the satellite technical support line. Do you know anything about *satellites*?
"BOB": I see. Well, let me see what I can do. Can I place you on hold for four or five hours?
MC: -- click --
In the end they will lay their freedom at our feet and say to us, Make us your slaves, but feed us. - Fyodor Dostoyevsky
Of course you know what this means. Alien invasion. And not the good kind like they have on the playboy channel late at night.
I for one welcome our new satellite crushing overlords.
Could it be that the last few seconds of data shows no sign of altitude loss and rapid deceleration?
Maybe it ran into a rather large, mostly colorless, and smooth monolith.
LoB
"Anyone who stands out in the middle of a road looks like roadkill to me." --Linus
I barely remember as a kid, folks used to make fun of Japanese made stuff.
Then the 80s came.
If your kids don't have any genius level talent - and I'm mean they leave their peers in the dust without any assistance from you - encourage them to go to law school and become some sort of elected official. In the near future, if you're not some sort of Government VIP, you'll be little people. Joseph P. Kennedy was so far ahead of his time for pushing his kids into politics. Why else would a multimillionaire (made illegally - allegedly did business with Al Capone- and by means that became illegal) push his kids into Government?
I got the impression the satellite was less Indian than International (or at least there were American payload on board), so the datalink equipment may not be of Indian in origin (too many cooks spoiled the broth; see also Boeing 787).
Have they tried turning it off and on again?
2009 was the year the Indian lunar satellite went out of control.
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"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
If the needful had been done, this would not have happened.
Wait, India has its own moon? and that moon has a satellite? And we now have eight planets instead of nine?
I think the Indians stole something...
I often don't like the choices people make, but I like the fact that people make choices. That's why I'm a conservative.
A communications disruption can mean only one thing. Invasion.
A more detailed discussion - from the Indian viewpoint. http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4395&start=1440
I've met a number of Indian 'tech' people, programmers and tech support included, and I've come to the conclusion that India doesn't actually suck at tech. In fact, they are quite good at it. The bad rep comes from the fact that they are pushing so much of their populace into tech-related fields that they've been forced to draft in people who aren't actually good at it.
Oh No! A risky endeavor from a non-American entity has been foiled! There's got to be some way we can blame the U.S.A. for this.
A communications disruption could mean only one thing: invasion.
Orbiting the moon is a lot harder than orbiting the earth. The moon's gravitational field is exceptionally lumpy because of concentrations of mass beneath the surface. If not actively corrected for, these mass concentrations will make a satellite's orbit go through increasingly violent gyrations until it eventually intersects with the surface.
I wonder if this is what happened to the Indian probe.
So there is a secret moon base. That satellite was on the verge of discovering it.
The conspiracy hypothesists were created so when the eventual discovery of the moonbase happens. It will seem crazy.
Cheyenne mountain got shut down remember? Obviously stargate program moved to the next best place.
A radio signal was detected from the Moon and appears to be aimed at Io.
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I'd agree with that. Just like everywhere else, some of them are brilliant and others not so much. I've certainly seen my share of poorly skilled Indian IT workers, but also some folks who are extremely good at what they do. Again, just like everywhere else.
I've met a number of Indian 'tech' people, programmers and tech support included, and I've come to the conclusion that India doesn't actually suck at tech. In fact, they are quite good at it. The bad rep comes from the fact that they are pushing so much of their populace into tech-related fields that they've been forced to draft in people who aren't actually good at it.
I've met a number of 'tech' people, programmers and tech support included, and I've come to the conclusion that people don't actually suck at tech. In fact, some are quite good at it. The bad rep comes from the fact that society is pushing so much of the populace into tech-related fields that they've been forced to draft in people who aren't actually good at it.
Can't they just call the Satellite Call Support center?
They shot it down, and the thing in is pieces on moon-land. India didn't secure the proper intergalactical alien green card space visitor visa passport stamps before their visit. They thought they could just show up and drive around the moon a bit.
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I really should get some sleep :-)
I've met a number of people, programmers and tech support included, and I've come to the conclusion that people don't actually suck at being human. In fact, some are quite good at it. The bad rep comes from the fact that society is pushing so much of the populace into human-related fields that they've been forced to draft in people who aren't actually good at it.
+5 would laugh again
I wish that ppl would stop trying to assign DOLLAR figures to China, Indian, or any other country that ties their money to a certain money. Saying that it cost 75 million is plain wrong (most estimates in India show it to be in the $90-95 million). Right now, the Rupee is FORCED by India to trade at 48 rupee to a dollar. According to most economist, it should be around half of that, or possibly less (more difficult to pin this down, than say the Chinese games with Yuans). As such, the missions is around $150-200 million. But, that is STILL not the full truth. The majority of expensive instruments on the sat are from different countries. Basically, the LAUNCH is what costs about $100-150 million, with the sat being less than $50 million. And at a 100 million per launch, they are on par with America, Russia, and EU.
I am not trying to belittle their efforts. In fact, far from it. I applaud them and hope that we will bring them into the ISS down the road. BUT, I still prefer that ppl are honest about what is going on.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Enjoyed reading post, A++++ slashdotter, would read again.
Then the cable snapped.
oh god you forgot your medication again. Are you going to be roaming here for a while? ok ok thats fine I'm not gonna hurt you, im not gonna hurt you, im not gonna hurt you, (mf soab)... time to visit my /b/tards
also FUCK YOU!!!!!!111111iiiieno
Seriously BBC... wtf is up with that? India is a trillion dollar economy and this was 75 million usd project. Can I say chump change? For some context, India recently announced a really stupid 30 billion usd national id scheme. While reporting that, you did not care to mention India's millions that lack basic services. Why do you hate India and real scientific progress so much?
I don't think the BBC is saying that THEY are the critics in question.
Some critics regard BBC as a waste of resources in a country where millions lack basic services.
India may be lying in the gutter, but at least they are looking up, and working hard on getting out.
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Imho, "some critics" is pretty weak. You will always find "some critics" to criticize almost anything. When reporters chooses to put them in the report, they are betraying their own opinions and biases or at least saying that the criticism is legit.
The fact is, and this is easily provable with wide varieties of video evidence: the space between earth and the moon is teaming with Mason's Nazi's and aliens all pushing their various agendas. The loss of communication of an object in this warzone is unsuprising.
Subject says it all.
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You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
Blessed Ganesha, it's full of cows!
Nicely done (and in good taste too :)). Pity you're all alone in a sea of mediocre pseudo-wits :(.
I'm not offended as an Indian (by the over-abused and lame tech support jokes that litter the desolate landscape of this thread); I'm offended as a connoisseur of good comedy . Seriously dudes (who-probably-lost-their-jobs-to-outsourcing-and-are-surprisingly-hard-to-feel-sympathy-for-at-this-particular-moment), that meme is about as funny as the one about Soviet Russia or even *shudder* sharks with lasers. It is scary that Fark is so much better at meme-based humor than the supposedly godlike nerds that inhabit this realm.
Interestingly, the criticism has come from Indian scientists, who have launched a scathing attack. At the helm of this brigade has been H S Mukunda, chairman, Indian Institute of Sciences (IIS), Bangalore. The IIS is considered by many to be the Indian equivalent of the Chinese Academy of Sciences.
Though Mukunda is today unwilling to elaborate his views - which now some refer to as his personal views rather than that of the IIS - he has been extensively quoted as calling the program "stupid" and the equivalent of reinventing the wheel. "It's bankruptcy of ideas. What the US did 30 years ago we are trying to do now. It won't bring the country any technical benefit," Mukunda reportedly said at a lecture organized by Prasthutha, a student forum of the IIS.
Asia Times
I am not saying this isn't vague at best but the criticism looks like it is gunning towards the whole approach of the space program of going to the moon and eventually wanting to send a man to the moon than this scientific endeavor.
The 21st century will belong to India.
India is, and due to abuse of their land will always remain a third world country. I know, I've seen the degraded and toxic state of the rivers there. I've seen people washing in untreated sewage and chemical waste.
India is one big environmental disaster that just keeps getting worse.
What an achievement for a country where you can't use your credit card in most places, and where Banks don't even have reliable phone service. Reminds of the time I enfielded from Delhi to Gaya and in the middle of a tea stop a white-robed local came up to me shouting angrily in Hindi and broken English, "India is Great! India is Great!" I responded by buying him a cup, and that seemed to calm him down after I halfheartedly agreed with him, but now I wish now I had the stats on Chandrayaan-1 and perhaps some print outs of the photos sent back. Congrats to the Bangalore team!
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I do not want to go into details, but Anonymous Coward is once again trolling. His juvenile preschool attitude throughout his posts show that he obviously must be banned from the site. I therefore recommend that you mod down this post and all future posts belonging to him. Amen.
Seriously BBC... wtf is up with that? India is a trillion dollar economy and this was 75 million usd project. Can I say chump change?
Is it still chump change if it could have fed 30 million people for one day?
Or built and kept running basic healthcare for 10 years in a city that has no healthcare at all?
Or perhaps built a few sewage treatment plants so that a few more rivers can support fish instead of being septic.
There might be some well off people in india but the vast majority of the population live in poverty that westerners would find hard to imagine.
Why do you hate India and real scientific progress so much?
I love scientific progress.
However I dislike India because every Indian I've ever met was obsessed with accumulating material wealth though any means possible and would not think twice about cheating, stealing, or lying.
And how does feeding people for one day or providing one town health care for ten years solve the long term problems that India faces? At least your suggestion of building sewage treatment plants has the potential for providing long term benefits. However, I suspect that increasing India's level of technological expertise will go farther towards increasing its wealth (and hence its ability to care for its citizens) than anything you suggested.
Two words: [citation needed]
India is doing if not better, at least as good as any low to middle income country in the world as far as healthcare is concerned. Combined government and non-government expenditure on health is more than 6% GDP which is what China and other low to mid income countries spend. (Source: WHR 2008).
This was true decades ago. You will be surprised what consistent 8% growth over many years can do. The vast majority in India is now above the International poverty line. World Bank 2005 estimates suggest that the percentage of people living below $1.25 a day in 2005 decreased from 60% in 1981 to 42% in 2005. At a dollar a day, poverty declined from 42% to 24% over the same period. (Source:World Bank Povert report 2005)
Well said sir. Not many countries have operated a satellite around the moon and achieved their primary objectives in nearly a year of successful operation. The more countries (and private concerns) that do so the better, we need more countries with space ambitions. It's very likely only one country will have the capability to launch people into space in the near future, it's easy to fear a time when we cease to have meaningful explorations into space at all.
A bit of a shame that the majority of slashdot posts just make crap / racist jokes regarding what seems to have been a pretty successful first mission (how many lunar expeditions failed for the USA or Russia?)
I fear the slashdot postings that will get published if an African country puts a satellite into lunar orbit.
Nice one India, go for it.
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Some critics regard the space programme as a waste of resources in a country where millions still lack basic services.
well, I've been to rural Alabama. Which country was the critics talking about again?
I've met a number of things, programmers and tech support included, and I've come to the conclusion that things don't actually suck at living. In fact, some are quite good at it. The bad rep comes from the fact that society is pushing so much of the populace into living-related fields that they've been forced to draft in things who aren't actually good at it.
I've met a number of Indian 'tech' people, programmers and tech support included, and I've come to the conclusion that India doesn't actually suck at tech. In fact, they are quite good at it. The bad rep comes from the fact that they are pushing so much of their populace into tech-related fields that they've been forced to draft in people who aren't actually good at it.
Strange. All the Indian techs I've met exaggerate their knowledge and abilities by a large margin. They will say anything to get work, overcharge, and do it poorly.
I've seen the work done by Wipro and Infosys and they are low quality jokers. University students do better work for less money and you might just get a new employee out of it.
I think the problem is a bit more deep. Having sat in on interview boards for hiring high level technicians in India (basically hiring my replacement) I thought it was a major plus if they showed up to the interview, and another major plus if they seemed to understand our questions and answer back - never mind analyzing what they told us (since I couldn't understand it).
So you may have to hire like 5 people in the hopes you get someone who is technical - which is what they did. They hired 10 people at 60,000 Rupee's a month (thats like 1200 usd) to replace essentially 2 technicians here in the US. It may not sound like a lot, but the company provided meals, free room and board and had a lot of other perks I've never seen here in the US.
I found the hiring process there to be so scary that I really don't understand the cost savings from hiring in India that everyone is clamoring still to get on board with.
"India is a trillion dollar economy and this was 75 million usd project."
That lie has already been debunked.
Why lie when it's so easily disproven?
What? When? Where? India is a trillion dollar economy. Chandrayaan-I did cost 386 Cr Rs(75-80 mil usd depending on exchange rate) and the Chinese currency is fixed, the Indian currency is good enough for use as dollarization. Why do I feel like I am feeding a troll?
How does one fail at living?
Oh... right. That.
Humanity: 100% fail rate. Guaranteed.
You are not a brain: http://books.google.com/books?id=2oV61CeDx-YC
Did you even read the link you posted? Right after your sentence ends....the same paragraph in fact reads:
It should be noted, however, that unlike China, successive administrations (through RBI, the central bank) have not followed a policy of pegging the INR to a specific foreign currency at a particular exchange rate. RBI intervention in currency markets is solely to deliver low volatility in the exchange rates, and not to take a view on the rate or direction of the Indian rupee in relation to other currencies.
I'd say that means overall, on average, they aren't very good at it.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."