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Drop in P2P Traffic Attributed To Traffic Shaping
An anonymous reader writes "A new report based on data from 100 US and European ISPs claims P2P traffic has dropped to around 20% of all Internet traffic. This is down from the 40% two years ago (also reported by the same company which sells subscriber traffic management equipment to ISPs). The report goes on to say the drop is likely due to continued, widespread ISP P2P shaping: 'In fact, the P2P daily trend is pretty much completely inverted from daily traffic. In other words, P2P reaches its low at 4pm when web and overall Internet traffic approaches its peak ... trend is highly suggestive of either persistent congestion or, more likely, evidence of widespread provider manipulation of P2P traffic rates.'"
There may be a "market saturation" effect. I know people who were downloading gigabytes a month (maybe a week) of songs and videos, but in the past year or two they have tapered off. They've gotten most of the stuff they've wanted, and now are just listening to and watching it.
there has to be more to this. obviously the ISP's are very aware of P2P networks. They market this in commercials that say "download music at increased rates!" which are in context about purchasing mp3's but belie the fact that they provide infrastructure to P2P networks, and anti-IP scenes.
And im not saying that this is a bad thing...
... usenet usage has grown to 25% of all internet traffic. people move on (or in this case back) to safer technologies. the xIAA are targeting P2P users, so people move away from P2P.
what's traffic shaping got to do with it?
More likely that mummy and daddy are home, and forcing little Timmy/Tammy to do their homework.
spam increased from 20% to 40%.
Much more likely people are rescheduling their P2P downloads to run outside of peak hours. I know my ISP (Virgin Media) throttles connection speeds during peak hours, so I schedule anything I want to download to run outside of those times.
There really hasn't been all that much worth downloading as of late. You can only download the classics so many times, the new content coming out just isn't all that good, be it games, movies or music. I'm sure we'll see a small up tick when the new Star Trek movie hits the underground though.
Or could it also be that paid-for downloads and streaming audio and video have increased, thus decreasing the share of P2P traffic in the total?
(No I didn't RTFA, it's way too early for that)
Hello! I'm a disaster waiting to happen!
Even my CD collection is gathering dust, finally music streaming that just works.
"The report goes on to say the drop is likely due to continued, widespread ISP P2P shaping"
The data allows no such conclusion to be drawn. In fact, since all they've done is compared P2P as a percent of total traffic, it's probably more likely that the total traffic has increased.
"A week in the lab saves an hour in the library"
Streaming audio and video implies a lot of traffic, and got more popular since 2 years ago, the shape of traffic could had varied. And some of that streaming could had covered some of the areas where p2p was popular, like series, movies, and music.
...is ofcource spam and porn.
Can we do traffic-shaping of spam?
If so I suggest this shedule:
12pm-8am: 100% drop
8am-4pm: 100% drop
4pm-12pm: 100% drop
When all the good TV shows start back up again with new seasons around the end of September.
Probably with some good game and movie releases around the holiday period too.
Personally, while my demand for content has actually changed, I am also preferring streaming video to downloads. While content made available via tube sites are much more closely managed and gets deleted more frequently than before, fresh content goes on them more quickly than before. Watching RAWs has become a great substitute to recording. Quality used to be a bigger factor for me, but now it's more of instant gratification - pretty much like radio. The internet itself is now my library.
So torrents used to compose 40% of traffic. Now it's 20%. What's changed in the last year?
* youporn.com and similar sites have popped up where they did not previously.
* hulu.com now exists.
That right there could easily cover 90% of people's media interests. Especially now that I'm not really into movies as much as I used to be (they suck more, and TV shows are, in some ways, getting better).
~/ssh slashdot.org ssh: connect to host slashdot.org port 22: too many beers
Usenet was the ultimate way to contribute. It got hosed because of spam. Too many douchebags posting penis enlargement ads can ruin anything.
Usenet is the way bittorrent was meant to be. Bittorrent is like a dynamic Usenet protocol. Will usenet ever die? What's the point when there are only a handfull of news servers that can play nice?
R.I.P Usenet.
It's because the cool kids are getting back into usenet through SSL pipes, and DDL.
The entire /. community and not one single post explaining how to circumvent the shaping.
Please help those less technically able amongst you.
Bullshit. There is no drop. P2P traffic is still increasing. It's just not increasing as fast as the youtube traffic.
0x or or snor perron?!
For me I may have lost a few % of P2P. Main reason being? Streaming video is so damn convenient. I really doubt that this could be attributed to any drop in 'pirating' or w/e the mafiaa is calling it these days. The pirates have just moved on from torrenting. At least for the casual users it is. For me if there is a show I know I want to watch all of then I'll torrent it (scrubs for example). But if I'm just bored and feel like something random I'll try a streaming site.
Generally speaking, anime works better streaming since you can often find next to perfect quality. Movies streaming I will only rarely bother with. I guess I will use streaming for movies rare enough that it'll look like it takes a month to torrent.
Also I think average 'light' users of 5years ago are now watching fart videos online and maybe using webcams. Maybe watching porn videos instead of just dling pictures. Pretty sure that demographic is just increasing really fucking fast.
And to top it off it is an unverified study done by a company selling these tools that they 'proved' work. Sooo, no big surprise there. Not that I want to build a strawman but either they have to get it verified by a 3rd party or release every tiny detail on their method.
Fact is:
- absolute P2P traffic volume is not dropping, it's just very slowly increasing
- absolute amount of HTTP traffic nearly doubled since 2007, thanks to major increase in online video and direct download services
=> many people often use DD today instead of P2P for filesharing
=> P2P percentage sharply decreased, not the absolute volume though
The drop in traffic is easy to explain. Most distros nowadays have a NetInst option, where you can download a small CD to boot off, then download only the packages you need.
All that P2P traffic IS just "Linux ISOs", right?
http://i490.photobucket.com/albums/rr268/fl4sh_xizekt/trafficshaping.jpg. Telstra, AUS.
I can't believe that in all those comments nobody mentioned the most likely reason for those numbers:
Encryption.
Most of the P2P traffic will be Bittorrent. All popular bittorrent clients allow to use encryption and random ports to prevent traffic shaping. Encrypted torrent traffic can - to my knowledge - not be detected by the ISP and is most likely counted as normal traffic in the mentioned numbers.
Maybe encryption is not very mainstream yet but the hardcore users will always enabled it (even when their own connection is not limited) because it will result in better speeds. So every encrypted gigabyte they used to download normally affects the numbers twice: it's one less gigabyte of counted P2P traffic and one more gigabyte of counted normal traffic.
On a sitenote: this is also the solution for those affected by traffic shaping: tell you torrent client to encrypt the traffic at all times and watch your speed go up.
I hardly use any download 'services' because it's just too much of a hassle for me. First you have to find the files you want. Then you have to click through a whole lot of garbage, and after much downloading and waiting and clicking you find that you have downloaded the Spanish version without subtitles. Or something equally unsatisfying. I'd rather pay for the stuff than go through all that. And I guess more and more people think like that. P2P is a victim of its (not it's!) own success. More and more garbage is put on the web, making it too hard to find the good stuff.
-- Cheers!
Traffic shaping by ISPs? I dont think so. When you want your content you want it fast, and serious downloaders have know for years that after hours is when the bandwidth picks up.
More people are using streaming audio and video to get their content. Hulu. YouTube. Spotify. Last.FM.
Me for example, if I want a song, instead of going to p2p, I just go to YouTube or Google and search for it. If its even remotely popular, I am sure someone has uploaded a suitable video with a suitable version of the song as the audio. Then I can use a YouTube downloader to download the video then FFMPEG to convert it to an audio file.
Great way to find stuff and less likelihood of being sued too (the RIAA seems to be more concerned about uploaders which you dont do when you access YouTube. Plus, all the stuff I download is too obscure for the RIAA to care about :P )
Someone look up the current trend in music sales!!!111
Can anybody tell me why they are measuring different types of Internet usage as a percentage of total Internet usage, rather than using an absolute number (say, Gbps)? Of course P2P traffic is going to increase in use at night when you look at the percentages, because P2P downloads (and uploads) are often left running overnight while people are sleeping while the rest of the Internet slows down because it requires direct human interaction. Basically, they are using real graphs conveyed from extremely misleading information to prove their wild point in an extremely sensitive ongoing political debate. Please stop validating the enemy (Comcast, Time Warner, The MAFIAA, etc)'s PR tactics by using them yourself. It is extremely counter-productive.
I am involved with an Internet streaming site (AmericaFree.TV) and our traffic patterns follow normal Television "Prime Time" - i.e., traffic peaks at roughly 6:00 PM to Midnight in the evening. This happens in the US, Europe and Asia, and the local time zone pattern looks a lot like the "Consumer-Internet traffic" graph (# 2 in the original article). (Note that all of these graphs do not start at zero traffic, but some higher value, like 50%). In our case (long format video), there appears to be relatively little streaming from at work.
If you look at Craig Labovitz's previous's post, What Europeans do at Night, it appears that European Internet usage drops quickly after dinner time, but I would interpret these graphs a little differently - European traffic starts dropping at 10;00 PM, while US traffic starts dropping at Midnight. This roughly matches what we see, and also European TV viewing patterns (see pages 22 and 23 of this presenation). Of course, American TV prime time is pretty similar to Europe's. Putting all of this together, I don't think that streaming video is driving the differences seen by Labovitz.
An interesting corollary of all of this is that there is still substantial bandwidth available for P2P in the hours after midnight. Off-hours P2P use could triple and still not be more than the current day-time use.
- absolute P2P traffic volume is not dropping, it's just very slowly increasing
Why is it increasing only very slowly? Have the movies gotten smaller? The games perhaps? The downloaders fewer?
Or the more likely version, that ISP's are holding them back. I know they do it with me.
that ISP's are holding them back.
= shaping and management.
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When p2p started out, few people understood the benefits of self-throttling during the day.
When p2p first started out a decade ago, a lot of users were still on metered dial-up, and people downloaded singles, not albums. It just wasn't practical for a P2P program to dial the internet, search for a song that may or may not be available at a given moment, download it, and automatically shut down the PPP link.
Australia places very low for Internet cost-effectiveness & reach
- with only costly broadband available to many, even in larger
cities, such as Adelaide, etc.
Very FEW ISP plans offer genuinely (ie, unshaped) "unlimited"
plans, and the ones who do either charge the moon for them
(ie, if faster than 1.5 Mb/Sec) -or- they have speeds at / under
the ADSL 1 speed of 1.5 Mb/Sec - ie, too slow to share in a
larger family or modest university student house.
International students - even some from wealthy Indian families
are giving even very fast Big Pond Cable plans Thumbs Down,
because they do not "shape" after the meager 60 GB data limit
(which, by the way, counts -both- downloaded -and- uploaded
data), but "fines" or "penalizes" any use that exceeds their limit
with a whopping huge Au $ 150 / GB "excess" fee.
So, while one pays about Au $ 130 / month for the first 60 GB,
one's 61st (and any thereafter it) -each- cost an extra Au $ 150 !!!
Coincidentally...
Telstra Big Pond is mentioned in this Australian program
which explores Bankruptcy in Australia, eg, for the banc-
rupcy that followed one of its customers' running up a
not-so-large bill for Internet services:
http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/rn/podcast/2009/08/ats_20090831.mp3
While I do not condone running up unpayably large bills
Internet (or other) bills, I consider the fee for "excess"
data an obsolete holdover from Testra's (perhaps known
as Telecom, then) earlier days as a undisputed monoply.
(Now - with well over 90% of Australia's telecommunica-
tions market, including Internet services - Telstra is just
the "de facto" monopoly... not a legislated one.)
I - for one - am obliged to choose a capped Internet plan
- far slower and limited in allocated - as a hedge against
the risk of forced bankruptcy, because Australia's ISP's
have adopted Telstra's still outrageous and presently
untenable "excess" fees, across its non-capped plans.
There are many more like me...
Counterexample: Here's a reason to live in Canberra
[ Australia's Moscow in 2009 ]
Remember when life seemed - by all reports - 'good'
[only] in USSR-era Moscow - ie, for those permitted
to live there?
I am sure that Canberrans - who can pay as about $20 / mon
for even "unlimited" Off-Peak hours Internet (at 2 Mb/Sec)
feel well looked-after, perhaps like those Moscovites of
days gone by...
Maybe ISP's just think P2P traffic throttled because the P2P-protocols are obfuscated by more and more clients.
http://www.inputoutput.io/how-to-subvert-deep-packet-inspection-the-right-way/
Which requires a subscription to a shell account on a remote server. What provider do you recommend? And what happens when the remote server's ISP is also deep-packet-inspecting?
I think the real answer (from ISP's) is legal downloadable media content with a compelling price.
Let me know when I can lawfully download a copy of Song of the South.
In Canberra, ACT only:
Au $20 buys: ...Unlimited data usage - ie, during off-peak hours ...Reasonable speeds: 2 Mb/Sec (down) / 256 Kb/Sec (up)
Hey, why should Aussie ISPs be permitted to limit
their markets to a particular State or Territory, eg ACT,
in the first place?!?
(FYI: The ISP is "Velicity Internet"
and the Plans is "TransACT Big Gig ADSL" )
We found it using Whirlpool.net.au's Plan Search tool,
and (later) confirmed its attributes at ISP's web site.
For anyone wanting essentially unlimited (AH) Internet
service, Canberra's the place to live...
GP says it's increasing slowly because the technophiles already use it, and normal people just go to http://video.baidu.com/
Also, other big services (like, say, video chat, google maps, etc) are breaking into the mainstream.
A corollary (sorry, lemma ... my math is weak nowdays) to that argument is that most people don't want to wait for anything on the internet. If it doesn't start playing immediately (i.e. YouTube), nobody who hasn't heard of slashdot will watch it.
Games have stayed around the same size from year to year. The same has happened with movies and music. Only so much content is produced in a given year. Combined with the entire population that would be willing to download being actively engaged in it already, there won't be much growth.
Can anybody reccomend a good feed? I don't mind paying for quality.
... then you need to check these guys out. Yes sir, the best feeds around.
As today (1.9.2009) my ISP has updated the Internet prices.
:(
10/10: 14E
20/20: 28E
50/50: 30E
100/10: 20E
100/100: 40E
No bandwidth limitation or throttling. Also no P2P related case was seen in a court (yet?).
I know, it sucks to be in a 3rd world Internet country like USA. I feel your pain.
Love many, trust a few, do harm to none.
You have a CD collection? Someone, help me pull him out of 2000!
Or it's all an indication that the movies and music being released right now suck and people don't even want to watch or listen for free...
Funny speculations. What I'd say from my experience is that while I'm in the US, I never torrent any tv series, since I can watch them on the channels' sites or on Hulu. And that's a big one taken away from torrent to stream-based watching. And let's be serious, most of current series aren't that good that anyone (well, not me that's for sure) would want to store and keep them for eternity, so streamed watching is a bless. I'd say if we could access the channels' websites and Hulu from Europe, that would mean a large decrease in traffic. I know it's not just episodes that people are torrenting, still, I'd say it's a fairly large part of it.
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It's rare to find real art like this in a comment form.
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Hum, my previous game where 500 mb in size... maybe 1gb. then they got to 2gb then 3, then 5 and now 10gb (or more sometimes but I don't play a lot of game anymore)
I strongly disagree, games do get bigger, with more texture, more stuff inside, etc.
Movie and music on the other hand are about the same size. a 5mb mp3 is standard, a 700mb movie too (unless you want a DVDrip with all the (most of the time useless) features)
We just put the p2p users on their own subnet wide open no shaping, then when they max their connections oh well. It keeps he rest of the customers
happy and the p2p users can fight for their bandwidth. Best of all we don't have to worry about people trying to get around the shaping etc they get
what they get.
Got Code?
Sandvine - what a great bunch of guys all looking out for the best in humanity!
Seriously - everybody give them a hand...
Movie and music on the other hand are about the same size. a 5mb mp3 is standard,
A 5Mb Mp3 would probably be about 160-192kb/s. Most of the mp3 collections I see are 320kb/s (about 10Mb per track) and there's a lot of flac tracks (about 20Mb) appearing now.
If I may be allowed to re-order things a bit:
A new report based on data from 100 US and European ISPs claims P2P traffic has dropped to around 20% of all Internet traffic.
The report goes on to say the drop is likely due to continued, widespread ISP P2P shaping
reported by the same company which sells subscriber traffic management equipment to ISPs
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
The report goes on to say the drop is likely due to continued, widespread ISP P2P shaping:
nono! we just downloaded everything we want allready.
I get most of my videos legally from http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer or http://www.channel4.com/programmes/4od these days
Actually Spotify is p2p:
From Wikipedia: "Spotify is a proprietary peer-to-peer[1] music streaming service that allows instant listening to specific tracks or albums with almost no buffering delay."
Ppam will drop off quite a lot, but spammers tend to not strictly obey RFC's. They will try delivering mail to machines with lower importance MX records, or with A records unrelated to mail delivery. I speak from the first hand experience of a reformed spammer.
Fact is:
=> many people often use DD today instead of P2P for filesharing
What is DD ?
Lots of fun as long as she's got a pretty face.
Lots of fun as long as she's got a pretty face.
If she's a DD, then odds are you've never actually seen her face.
The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
To those Slashdotters trying to explain how the report is incorrect/not really a drop/invalid... please be advised that the "correct" response is along the lines of:
>> Yes, P2P traffic *is* dropping: it is not a problem anymore, piracy is just fading away, nothing to see, everyone please move along.
The internet has become a main source of entertainment for my family and friends from watching HD videos on netflix, playing games online, and listening to streaming music. Downloading via P2P simply slows down everything else, and I am a lot more entertained watching an episode of Lost than I am watching the status bar on a download.
If it doesn't start playing immediately (i.e. YouTube), nobody who hasn't heard of slashdot will watch it.
Yet the same people will get in a car, go all the way to the mall, and give money just to watch the same movie in a room full of loud people? Am I missing something here?
Encrypted torrent traffic can - to my knowledge - not be detected by the ISP
See http://www.shmoocon.org/2007/speakers.html for Rob King and Rohit Dhamankar on "Encrypted Protocol Identification via Statistical Analysis".
Here's a brief recap: by looking at {mean value, variance} of {packet size, interpacket delays} going {up, down} and packet entropy for a specific flow, you get a point in a nine-dimensional space. Encrypted protocols tend to cluster together.
So here's the ISP algorithm: Measure a flow, find its nearest cluster, guess that behind the encryption is traffic of the protocol belonging in that cluster. If bittorrent, kill.
Note that Rob & Dohit don't look at how many simultaneous connections you make. That also tends to give away P2P traffic.
So the ISP can see you're P2P'ing. They can't detect whether it's illegal, or who should sue you, but they can (probably) see it's bittorrent.
No he just cant get rid of it. No one wants to buy it :)
Fact is: 1. The pirate bay was where 90% of people who use torrents go to get 90% of their torrents. 2. Sold to GGX, presented pay for download model, now in limbo 3. ??? 4. Profit (For Anakata). At any rate, the mass exodus of people from the pirate bay also included a wave of people who probably hung up their pirate boots out of fear that the 'protection' afforded by using an overseas torrent site with a history of giving copyright holders the middle finger (and then putting it on public display) is now gone. Personally, I never understood bittorrent anyway. If your data is worth typically sacrificing your network performance for, then I guess that's you.
In many cases it is probable that it is matter of convenience and availability:
- I used to download movies and TV episodes until iTunes started carrying them
- Now the BBC provides a handy iPlayer so I use that
Ironically I downloaded my first torrent in years to upgrade to Snow Leopard - because it was not available as a download and because in rural Italy, where I live, it takes 2 weeks to get delivered.
Spot the trend? I am sure there are many more like me in that respect.
Dennis Onstenk
Or it could be that people are shying away from something that is coming under heavy surveillance.
Lately the free I2P network has seen a lot of new activity on iMule... their anonymized version of eMule. There is also a bittorrent site on there called "thepiratebay.i2p" which looks the same and claims to be adding much of TPB's listings.
The down side is of course speed and I2P is really only 'convenient' for stuff like mp3 files; otherwise you have to be very patient for 2 hour movie to download.
Never heard of it, sorry.
It seems to make sense that p2p usage would drop a bit during peak normal usage. I know I turn off my torrents when I am using the internet, especially during games and any time I'm doing a DD. I don't care if my torrents run over night while they're not keeping me from doing things actively.
What other options have all of these advantages? That said, I listen to Radio Paradise about as often as I listen to music I own...
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Something like superchargemytorrent.com which tunnels all your P2P traffic over
a proxy running on port 80? To your ISP it looks like web traffic.
Agreed with the game sizes and music mostly. Movies I used to get 700MB or 1.4GB rips, then slowly the full dvd-iso at 4.5, now I get the x264 1080P versions which are going anywhere from about the same (4.5) to 12+ GB. That growth seriously outpaces my used of skype, pandora, youtube, hulu, facebook and other media-rich web content that has increased during the same period.
People, according to recent court cases, AND a recent declaration by the current FCC Chair, traffic shaping is ILLEGAL and will be pursued aggressively by the FCC.
There is another court case pending about whether the FCC actually has authorization to do that. We shall see. But in the meantime, precedent stands against shaping.
The problem is that traffic shaping violates the principle of Network Neutrality, which the current administration has vowed (a bit late and so far weakly) to enforce.
Yeah, it's something most Slashdotters haven't heard of called "socializing."
and since when does sitting in a darkened room whilst watching a film and not talking count as socialising, in fact how much does it differ from your average basement geek?
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axxo retired :D i just had to
If your data is worth typically sacrificing your network performance for, then I guess that's you.
What else are you going to use a network for? Transferring cata? eata? bata?
No, obviously, you transfer data over a network.
Go watch District 9.
Quack, quack.
Direct download, perhaps?
Rapidshare, megaupload, etc etc etc...
Alexander Peter Kristopeit bought his basement from his mommy for one dollar.
1. I can redownload it off torrents as a flavor of the day lossless after buying it from iTunes, to get my backup copy.
2. Taken care of by point #1
3. Taken care of by point #1
4. iTunes will let you see a list of everything you've purchased. I imagine it wouldn't be hard to print, and it would be very easy for them or the courts to check with iTunes themselves
5. Crazy European prices. iTunes will be USD $12-20 an album for me, whereas iTunes will be similar at 99c to $1.29 a song.
6. iTunes has a better selection of non-major label music than any store in my area. (Granted, this is a moot point about 1/3 to half of the time)
7. iTunes will be a near-instant download, even with the other download going, whereas to get an album from the store I'd have to drive there. (Trivial for me, as I live in a fairly densely populated area near a full mall. Not so trivial for someone out in the middle of nowhere, USA, where the nearest shop can easily be 3-4 hours away. That would make a drive out on release day completely impractical, and you may not get it for 2-3 weeks, which makes my #6 even better. I'd imagine in western Europe you wouldn't have this problem nearly as much.)
If there's been a 20% drop in P2P traffic, that means a 20% drop in the evil pirates arrrr matey, and hence a 20% increase in profits for the RIAA and their scum sucking brethren ? Right, right ?
It's amazingly quiet over there guys ???
Try getting a legal torrent with a mac or Utorrent without encryption enabled then snap it on... see what happens to speed. The ISP is filtering and some times cutting out traffic all together (regardless of port jumping) (0kbsec). Encryption and signal obfuscaition is the only hope. (Datagrams anyone?)
my iPredator VPN account works great with P2P. I run at near maximum speed 90+% of the time and have never had traffic just "stop" like I did using the straight connection.
The ISP does not see P2P traffic from my connection - its encrypted...
google.com starts up in swedish, but so what? maybe this is why P2P "traffic" has "fallen off" the radar.
Ask Me About... The 80's!
I'm still in 1993. Tell me, what happens in 2000?!
In fact it is shutting down the Internet.
The Man slows down to a crawl or stops part of your traffic. Automatically, as a matter of course.
A lot was said about a lack of freedom in, say, China or Russia, but in reality it is the good old West that decided to interfere into private traffic for which people paid, by the way.
I do not want to discuss the reasons why. We know why - because the movie and music industry was sleeping and cannot even compete with stupid free torrents.
But it is irrelevant. What important is that it is in the West the large scale mass interference into the private traffic started to occur.
This is the End of Freedom as we know it. Historians will note this time, around 2008 - 2009, as the beginning of a new Epoch. Similar to the periods of Slavery or Serfdom in Human History. It will be called the period of Controlled Private Information Traffic.
Like with Slavery and Serfdom there will be numerous wars and revolutions to get rid of this new Evil condition of humanity. But I hope the ideas of Freedom and Liberty will triumph in the end, whatever the cost.
that most P2P is occurring when the criminals are in bed with their teddy bears
The new right fascists are bilingual. They speak English and Bullshit.
Giganews (and others) now offer ssl connections to their usenet servers as well as header compression.
So, if people are having issues with traffic shaping--or expect they might--they could head over to usenet. And really, for most stuff, usenet is superior to p2p; faster and more reliable downloads; it all seems like the same stuff available also and with retention times nearing or exceedign 1yr...
Yep, and each CD gets ripped to FLAC then put back on the shelf.
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