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Prolonged Gaming Blamed For Rickets Rise

superapecommando writes "Too many hours spent playing videogames indoors is contributing to a rise in rickets, according to a new study by doctors. Professor Simon Pearce and Dr Tim Cheetham of Newcastle University have written a paper in the British Medical Journal which warns of the rickets uptake – a disease which sufferers get when deficient in Vitamin D. The study boils down to the fact that as more people play videogames indoors they don't get enough sunlight and this has meant the hospitals are now having to combat a disease that was last in the papers around the time Queen Victoria was on the throne." At least the kids are eating enough snacks with iodized salt that we don't have to worry about goiters.

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  1. First by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Scurvy!

    1. Re:First by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm Popeye the sailor man. I'm Popeye the sailor man. I love to go swimmin' With bow-leg-ed women. I'm Popeye the sailor man.

  2. Via Wikipedia by Bicx · · Score: 5, Informative

    Rickets is a softening of bones in children potentially leading to fractures and deformity. Rickets is among the most frequent childhood diseases in many developing countries. The predominant cause is a vitamin D deficiency, but lack of adequate calcium in the diet may also lead to rickets (cases of severe diarrhea and vomiting may be the cause of the deficiency). Although it can occur in adults, the majority of cases occur in children suffering from severe malnutrition, usually resulting from famine or starvation during the early stages of childhood.

    1. Re:Via Wikipedia by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Insightful

      , usually resulting from famine or starvation during the early stages of childhood.

      And that's the real story: Parents who have turned their children over to the television, computer, and daycare centers of the world and neglecting basic nutrition. My sister is like that -- she is fed a diet of fast food and microwave meals because her parents can't be bothered to cook a meal (two income family). I don't think its intentional, people just assume there's no problem if it can't be seen.

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    2. Re:Via Wikipedia by samkass · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not sure why you threw daycare centers in there. Often they are much more strictly monitored than a child's home life and probably have prevented more of these cases than caused them.

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    3. Re:Via Wikipedia by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      Please people, play some sports outside with your children. They spend so much time at their computer and console games that they're getting too difficult for us old folks to beat.

      And they're generally fairly annoying about it.

    4. Re:Via Wikipedia by HoboCop · · Score: 1

      Also from the Wikipedia article, the vitamin D deficiency prevents your stomach from absorbing calcium, causing rickets. So in any case, being deficient in calcium is the underlying problem.

    5. Re:Via Wikipedia by frosty_tsm · · Score: 4, Funny

      Please people, play some sports outside with your children. They spend so much time at their computer and console games that they're getting too difficult for us old folks to beat. And they're generally fairly annoying about it.

      You're just trying to handicap them. You're supposed to practice after they go to bed so you're ready to unleash a 13 hit combo on them. Or headshot them. Whichever.

      (before I get marked as evil, I mean IN GAMES)

    6. Re:Via Wikipedia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      besides nothing is as cathartic as sacking your 5 year old. After he beats you at mariokart

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    7. Re:Via Wikipedia by Internalist · · Score: 1

      And that's the real story: Parents who have turned their children over to the television, computer, and daycare centers of the world and neglecting basic nutrition. My sister is like that -- she is fed a diet of fast food and microwave meals because her parents can't be bothered to cook a meal (two income family). I don't think its intentional, people just assume there's no problem if it can't be seen.

      Wait...your sister has parents who can't be cooked a meal, and thus is fed (alleged) junk. Are your parents somehow magically not like that? (if not, I'm thinking your sister needs to re-evaluate her relationship with her parents)

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    8. Re:Via Wikipedia by swb · · Score: 1

      No, that's not the real story, that's a line of condescending bullshit from someone who probably doesn't have kids or kids in daycare. Yes, I see the hidden attitude -- dual income parents, who want to have it all -- material possessions and kids -- and who, at the end of the day, are just too tired or self-absorbed from their ceaseless search for money and goods to take proper care of their children.

      I got news for you. Ain't the case. Life is expensive. Very expensive. You really can't take care of a family in this shitty, overpriced, bought-and-sold by Goldman Sachs world of ours without dual incomes. This necessitates daycare, which I might add is extremely expensive, $1300 a month for us, and even when you pay as much as you can you still find yourself making sure they do things right (ie, milk at meals).

      It's *so* tiring to hear people without kids get sanctimonious about how people with kids live their lives, as if it were a simple set of choices made by logic.

    9. Re:Via Wikipedia by blackraven14250 · · Score: 1

      Step sister got called sister, maybe?

    10. Re:Via Wikipedia by Ephemeriis · · Score: 1

      , usually resulting from famine or starvation during the early stages of childhood.

      And that's the real story: Parents who have turned their children over to the television, computer, and daycare centers of the world and neglecting basic nutrition. My sister is like that -- she is fed a diet of fast food and microwave meals because her parents can't be bothered to cook a meal (two income family). I don't think its intentional, people just assume there's no problem if it can't be seen.

      Agreed.

      You don't even need to get out in the sun that much... If you're eating right, you'll be getting plenty of vitamin D. Hell, just a glass of milk is full of the stuff.

      The real story is that nutrition in general, in the United States, is all shot to hell. Folks are living off fast food, cans, boxes, and frozen dinners. Nobody eats real food anymore.

      How do I know? I've been there!

      Over the last couple of years my diet has gone straight to hell. I've been busy and overworked and stressed and whatnot, and it's just been easier to grab something quick than to eat right. A recent bit of bloodwork came back with "trace amounts" of vitamin D. Lowest the doctor had ever seen.

      Initially they had me on some hefty vitamin D supplements... But that was just to get me up to where I should be quickly. Since then I've just been eating real food and haven't had any issues.

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    11. Re:Via Wikipedia by Ephemeriis · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I'm not sure why you threw daycare centers in there. Often they are much more strictly monitored than a child's home life and probably have prevented more of these cases than caused them.

      Maybe it's better in your area... But around here, the government's idea of nutrition is pretty miserable.

      They'll serve some kind of frozen pizza for lunch at school... They consider the crust a grain, the sauce a vegetable, the cheese a dairy, and the pepperoni a meat. Perfectly nutritious!

      Never mind the fact that this factory-produced frozen monstrosity is full of salt, fat, corn syrup, and whatever else.

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    12. Re:Via Wikipedia by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      Rickets is not caused by fast food. Subway subs with lots of veggies are probably one of the more nutritious meals you could eat. The disease is actually caused by lack of sunlight.

      Parents have a responsibility to get their kids involved in outdoor sports. This is understandably hard, though, because online multiplayer games have teamwork, competition, and trash-talk just like sports, but with less hassle.

      Still, teach your kids the basics of outdoor sports (tennis, baseball, soccer, track, etc.) from an early age, and get them on the school teams when they are available. Doing less is negligent.

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    13. Re:Via Wikipedia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait...your sister has parents who can't be cooked a meal, and thus is fed (alleged) junk. Are your parents somehow magically not like that?

      Maybe GP's sister still lives at home while GP herself does not, and consequently cooks her own meals.

    14. Re:Via Wikipedia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, your sister is fed a diet of fast food & microwave meals because "her parents" can't cook a meal... aren't "her parents" your parents?

    15. Re:Via Wikipedia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      They consider the crust a grain, the sauce a vegetable, the cheese a dairy, and the pepperoni a meat.

      That's not surprising considering that pizza crust is made of grain, the sauce from a vegetable, cheese is a dairy product, and pepperoni is a meat.

    16. Re:Via Wikipedia by lgw · · Score: 1

      Slashdot has no -1 EVIL moderation. And we like it that way!

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    17. Re:Via Wikipedia by rve · · Score: 1

      , usually resulting from famine or starvation during the early stages of childhood.

      And that's the real story: Parents who have turned their children over to the television, computer, and daycare centers of the world and neglecting basic nutrition. My sister is like that -- she is fed a diet of fast food and microwave meals because her parents can't be bothered to cook a meal (two income family). I don't think its intentional, people just assume there's no problem if it can't be seen.

      On the contrary, this is a case of conscientious and caring parents following the advice not to expose their children to direct sunlight. These kids never go out in the sun without a hat and some high protection factor sunblock cream.

      Vitamin D is made in the skin cells, in response to damage done by UV radiation from sunlight. Without unprotected exposure to sunlight, less UV damage is done, and this can result in a vitamin D deficiency.

      Blaming modern conveniences and social and moral decay for the deplorable state of the youth today is constant theme in cultural history. Every generation of curmudgeons has always complained that parents these days don't know how to raise their kids responsibly, and kids these days, well they're just a lost generation. Extrapolating this trend back in time, I estimate that roughly around 11000 years BC a singularity took place, where parenting was at infinite levels of perfection and kids were of infinitely high morals and potential. Perhaps someone whose analysis skills are fresher, can post a proof whether in the far future parenting skills and youth potential will go to zero, or whether they will keep declining indefinitely.

    18. Re:Via Wikipedia by EsbenMoseHansen · · Score: 1

      Agreed.

      You don't even need to get out in the sun that much... If you're eating right, you'll be getting plenty of vitamin D.

      Well, yes, according to wikipedia some herring will do. But I have heard from a lot of sources that getting enough vitamin D through diet alone is difficult, while even a modest exposure to sun should do the trick (I think it was something like half an hour in the sun with arms exposed).

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    19. Re:Via Wikipedia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keyword: "Often".

      Good parents > daycare centers > bad parents.

    20. Re:Via Wikipedia by instagib · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You really can't take care of a family [...] without dual incomes.

      This is only true if you want to maintain your living standard as if you had no kids. Smaller car, no vacation, no restaurants, simple clothing etc. (i.e. how most people live in this world) would allow single income plus a 100% mother - just as a few decades ago. I am not saying that this is how it should be, just that the "want to have it all" is a definitive factor.

    21. Re:Via Wikipedia by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      This link has a brief explanation of how much Vit D supplementation vs. sun exposure you need.

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    22. Re:Via Wikipedia by lgw · · Score: 1

      Life is a simple set of choices made, perhaps by logic, more often at random. But a family can certainly be raised on a single income, or I'd be dead. Even better would be if there had been a second parent in the picture, but hey you can't have everything.

      Children are usually better served by one income and one attentive parent. If you instead want a better lifestyle for yourself, hey, I can merely complain and suggest a different way might be better. To each their own values, and everyone is sure theirs are right. (Of course I'm making assumptions here too - maybe I'm wrong and you both earn $1400/month, but I suspect that on a single income you're still bringing home more income than my single parent ever did.)

      Also, milk is full of sugar and not a particularly healthly choice (post-weaning) in a typical protein-saturated American diet. But hey, if believing that milk is healthier than soda makes you happy, well, at least you're happy.

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    23. Re:Via Wikipedia by negRo_slim · · Score: 1

      Please people, do some science outside with your children. They spend so much time at their computer and console games that they're getting too difficult for us old folks to beat. And they're generally fairly annoying about it.

      Fixed it for you.

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    24. Re:Via Wikipedia by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      (before I get marked as evil, I mean IN GAMES)

      Now you tell me...

      I just told him that back when I was a kid, I used to get shot in the head every day while walking 20 miles uphill through the snow to get school.

      Of course, he just sat there and gave me this vacant stare while the blood poured down his face.

      Kids today...

    25. Re:Via Wikipedia by jim_v2000 · · Score: 1

      My wife has one sibling from a different mother and another sibling from a different father. Maybe it's a situation like that, you insensitive clod!

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    26. Re:Via Wikipedia by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      or like me was much older and adopted out, then later found his bio family?

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    27. Re:Via Wikipedia by Nerdposeur · · Score: 1

      [Pours glass of milk] [Turns on sun lamp] Game on.

    28. Re:Via Wikipedia by icebike · · Score: 1

      Revenge of the Sun block scare-mongers if you ask me.

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    29. Re:Via Wikipedia by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      that's basically what we do.
      After doing the math:
      Our kids go to a better school than most (requires parent participation and *some* money [$1K/yr ish])
      Our kids have a parent at home who can see to their needs and continue their education where schools are lacking (physical and performing arts, science, sports).
      Our meals are healthier, and more fulfilling (just look at my waistline...) and cheaper. Home cooked from scratch foods are lower in preservatives, salt, nitrates, and other random shit. We're not talking health-nut foods, just regular family meals like mom and dad did 30 years ago.
      In all reality, if you look at where your money is going when you have kids in a two income household, you may be surprised that your standard of living, kids grades, and family health will go up if you can get one parent to be able to stay home. At first it's really hard, but slowly you can work into it. The "want it all" attitude has to go though. You really do have to give up buying that latest gadget/TV/ATV/whatever when it's new. but you can plan the purchase and save up and buy it later.

      In my kids' school many (most?) of the families are single income, or one full time, one part time parent. Not surprising considering the demands the school places on parent participation, but still... you can pick out the bad parents a mile away and they don't usually stay past the third grade from what I understand.
      -nB

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    30. Re:Via Wikipedia by izomiac · · Score: 1

      Well, to count as a "meat" or "vegetable" there has to be a certain quantity, and daycares are audited every so often to ensure they're meeting the nutritional guidelines. They do make silly mistakes at times (e.g. counting macaroni & cheese as a vegetable), but overall it's more nutritious than what most kids get at home. Don't forget that children have different nutritional requirements than adults, food vendors are well aware of the nutritional requirements and of child preferences and make food to match, and that there are a lot of misconceptions about nutrition.

    31. Re:Via Wikipedia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eliminate salt and fat from your diet and see how it goes.

      And there's no scientific evidence that there's anything wrong with corn syrup.

    32. Re:Via Wikipedia by swb · · Score: 1

      "Living standard" encompasses a lot of things -- I could live in a cheaper house, but it would be in a much worse neighborhood with all the associated costs that come with living in the midst of poverty. Crime, extremely poor schools, violence -- all of these things are bad unto themselves, plus they have a cumulative impact on health (above and beyond the effects of being robbed, assaulted, or killed).

      There's also a misery factor associated with "living without" -- maybe if I packed it in, Ted Kaczynski style and lived in a shack in the woods I wouldn't notice, but generally speaking life would be just harder, with less pleasure. And it's not like I live excessively now -- I bought a used car, we shop judiciously, I wear modest clothes with no designer labels, dining out is maybe a couple of times a month at inexpensive restaurants, etc.

      But the real problem with a single income anymore is the sheer insecurity of a single income. If my wife OR I lose our jobs now, we're going to have to stretch to make ends meet and start tapping our savings. With a single income? You're running the risk of financial ruin.

    33. Re:Via Wikipedia by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Depends on the daycare. Some daycare centers ensure that the children are well monitored, plan interesting and educational activities for the children, and even feed them according to parental and dietary concerns. These centers most of the time will have long waiting lists, and parents want their children to attend. Unfortunately these centers are not everywhere nor available to every parent due to geography, finances, etc.

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    34. Re:Via Wikipedia by cjb658 · · Score: 1

      Half an hour in the sun each day is only a "modest exposure?"

    35. Re:Via Wikipedia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If my wife OR I lose our jobs now, we're going to have to stretch to make ends meet and start tapping our savings. With a single income? You're running the risk of financial ruin.

      Ding ding ding! See, it used to be that we had social services and a safety net that would help out if the man of the house lost his job. Now, we've got a bunch of pricks who have nothing better to do than to blame him for "starting a family he can't afford" or "losing his job of 20 years (20 years into a 30 year mortgage)" Gee, should have used your psychic powers there buddy and not bought that house you "couldn't afford". Of course, the government varies between broken and just broke and can't help you, it's a fucking recession so your family's broke and can't help you, so yeah, you want to raise kids and be responsible? You're going to have to have two jobs, because "just in case" is the fucking reality for 25% of America now.

    36. Re:Via Wikipedia by ucblockhead · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm not so sure of that. We took our kid out of one daycare center because they increasingly relied on the TV as a pacification device. TV had gone from "special treat on Friday" to "2-3 hours a day."

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    37. Re:Via Wikipedia by Abstrackt · · Score: 1

      Eliminate salt and fat from your diet and see how it goes.

      And there's no scientific evidence that there's anything wrong with corn syrup.

      Of course, but overdo it and you create problems too. It's becoming increasingly difficult to moderate salt, fat, and simple carbohydrate intake.

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    38. Re:Via Wikipedia by SpeZek · · Score: 2, Informative

      And there's no scientific evidence that there's anything wrong with corn syrup.

      Yeah! That's right!


      Except for, you know, all the scientific evidence

    39. Re:Via Wikipedia by blankinthefill · · Score: 1

      Wait, why does Evil have to be NEGATIVE?!

    40. Re:Via Wikipedia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I dare you to try it (eating zero fat, and I mean really zero) and keep your sleeping schedule. Or not turning into a diabetic.

      Corn syrup is bad, because even if for nothing else it tastes bad compare to good old sucrose. Not as satisfying.

    41. Re:Via Wikipedia by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      How amusing that you should say this; my random thought of the evening shower came when I got some soap in my mouth, and I thought back to day care where this cunt named Jennifer who ran a day care more or less across the street from Mar Vista elementary school in Aptos, California caught me saying someone "humped" some other kid in the place after they said it to me. I had no idea what it meant then, but I said it anyway because the way they said it made it sound like something you wouldn't want to do. I'm pretty sure it was one of her kids, even, that said it to me. She marched me to the kitchen, put palmolive in my mouth, and told me to swallow it. I was just smart enough not to do that part. Consuming that much soap (at least a tablespoon) would have probably given me the runs for at least a week as my intestinal bacteria recovered from the assault. It's a good thing we didn't eat there, because as enormously fat as she was, she probably served her family ruffles and velveeta casseroles.

      Day cares are not monitored. They're inspected. It's not like they install a remotely monitored audiovisual system in them, THAT would be monitored. If nothing egregious happens when they are being inspected, then no one will be the wiser as to what actually happens in the place.

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    42. Re:Via Wikipedia by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      and even when you pay as much as you can you still find yourself making sure they do things right (ie, milk at meals).

      The ability to consume milk after infancy without intestinal distress is restricted exclusively to certain white anglo-saxons and their descendants. You should be getting your calcium from other sources, like certain leafy greens. You are an ignorant tool of the dairy industry, which is heavily subsidized and producing milk which other countries will not purchase because the use of rBGH leads to milk with a higher pus content due to udder infections, and higher antibiotic content due to the higher levels of antibiotics needed to reduce the frequency of these infections; this milk is not desired by other nations, so their import of our dairy products has fallen and now we have an extreme glut of milk. And you have fallen directly for the marketing thereof, and are now insisting that your child be fed a product which is probably harmful to it.

      It's *so* tiring to hear people without kids get sanctimonious about how people with kids live their lives, as if it were a simple set of choices made by logic.

      Yes, yes it is. It is cheaper to cook and eat at home than to reheat some crap-in-a-box. Period, THE END. Cook some beans and rice and greens for your child instead of giving them fish sticks because they won't scream when you deliver them on the plate. Finally, if you can't properly raise a child you need to not have one. If you cannot control your reproductive system to that extent, then there is really nothing else I can say to you; you are too irresponsible to actually communicate with in a productive fashion.

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    43. Re:Via Wikipedia by LBt1st · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up, I'm out of points

    44. Re:Via Wikipedia by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      There's also a misery factor associated with "living without" -- maybe if I packed it in, Ted Kaczynski style and lived in a shack in the woods I wouldn't notice, but generally speaking life would be just harder, with less pleasure.

      Turn off the television, distance yourself from your friends who have nothing more going for them than their possessions, and maybe you won't need to have those particular material goods to make you happy. And in any case, why is some superficial happiness more important than the health of a child? No one for whom parenting is not fulfilling should have been a parent; no one who is not really sure that they want to put their child's welfare first should have a child. It only leads to the existence of more poorly raised children.

      My father, the alcoholic, dodged child support at every opportunity; my mother, the manic-depressive, put off doing anything about it for most of my childhood. In spite of this she worked a full-time job and cleaned houses, and managed to cook me nutritious meals. She lacked the attention to stop me from eating between meals, though, and I porked up before even leaving the house. Still, she demonstrated amazing commitment to my welfare, and did the best job that an emotional cripple could do.

      In this thread I see a lot of people making a lot of pathetic excuses for child abuse, and crying about how they're being treated unfairly. But children who are malnourished and maleducated grow up to become maladjusted adults who raise more maladjusted children. I resemble this remark more strongly than I'd like to admit; but I know it is the truth, and have elected not to have children because I know in the balance I'd be a shitty father for all my positive attributes. Excuses for not making the same decision impress no one save other parents in denial about their responsibility to make the right decision: that not to have a child that they don't really want, but feel they must have.

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    45. Re:Via Wikipedia by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Subway subs with lots of veggies are probably one of the more nutritious meals you could eat.

      Yeah, didn't you know that bread with added aluminum is good for children?

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    46. Re:Via Wikipedia by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Frankly, feeding someone mainly white flour, sugar, saturated fats, and no vitamins, fibers, etc, should be punished as aggravated battery. (Is that the proper law term for “Schwere Körperverletzung”?)

      That stuff is no food. It’s more a stimulant, like drugs. Like alcohol is no food.
      And like alcohol, it is seriously dangerous for your health.
      Well, and like alcohol, everybody does it anyway. Just that with that stuff, we do it every day, multiple times.

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    47. Re:Via Wikipedia by howlingfrog · · Score: 1

      +i Evil?

      Or +1 (mod 5) Evil, to model the "what if everyone did it" approach to ethics.

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    48. Re:Via Wikipedia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The predominant cause is a vitamin D deficiency, but lack of adequate calcium in the diet may also lead to rickets (cases of severe diarrhea and vomiting may be the cause of the deficiency).

      However, the bozos made no mention of the fact that vitamin D deficiency has, in recent years, also been heavily related to the use of sunscreens.

      Since it's naturally produced by exposure to the sun, and since everyone is all over the place with, "OMG -- see the sun -- get skin cancer", lots of people are depriving themselves of healthful exposure by slathering on SPF 400 creams every time they walk out to the mailbox.

    49. Re:Via Wikipedia by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      Day cares are not monitored. They're inspected. It's not like they install a remotely monitored audiovisual system in them, THAT would be monitored.

      Actually, a lot of daycare centers are doing exactly that. It makes Mom a lot happier being able to remotely look in on the kids from the office at any time using webcams.

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    50. Re:Via Wikipedia by MadUndergrad · · Score: 1

      Not the stuff they serve in schools.

    51. Re:Via Wikipedia by EsbenMoseHansen · · Score: 1

      Half an hour in the sun each day is only a "modest exposure?"

      I have a garden, so I think so, but point taken. Still, I think that more people spend that time in the sun than eats a raw-marinated herring each day, even around here.

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    52. Re:Via Wikipedia by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1
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    53. Re:Via Wikipedia by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      It's true. We'd need a +1 Evil as well or we'd be discriminating against the Randian objectivists.

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    54. Re:Via Wikipedia by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Depends on where you live, are we talking Arizona or the UK here?

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    55. Re:Via Wikipedia by rinoid · · Score: 2, Funny

      Uh, tomatoes are a what? A fruit my friend!

    56. Re:Via Wikipedia by gilgongo · · Score: 1

      Parents who have turned their children over to the television, computer, and daycare centers of the world and neglecting basic nutrition.

      Good point. Isn't it a bit of a leap to observe an increase in rickets and tie that to gaming? If the kids weren't getting enough minerals/vitamins, would those who also played basketball all week get rickets too? Obviously, I've not RTFA, but this seems more like an irrational attack on gaming than anything else.

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    57. Re:Via Wikipedia by ancientt · · Score: 1

      Yes of course they are, but then again, so are carrots, green beens and coconuts technically. I finally took the time to research what makes something a fruit and/or vegetable a couple years back, turns out it isn't just one or the other.

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      B) Eliminate all the stupid users. This is frowned upon by society.
    58. Re:Via Wikipedia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you really say that without knowing where someone lives and what kind of job they are capable of getting? Not to mention other factors like health problems etc. that could be very costly. When I was growing up we had a small car, no vacation, no restaurants, and simple clothing and still needed dual incomes to get by.

    59. Re:Via Wikipedia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    60. Re:Via Wikipedia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What makes you think that "living without" necessarily refers to material goods? It could just as easily refer to the stretching out food budgets so that the quality/amount of food you get is not as good as it should be or the same thing with clothing, both of which affect the health of a child. Not to mention the costs associated with living in an area with access to good schools, yes you could go without good schools but it's probably better for the child to live in an area that's safer and has good schools.

    61. Re:Via Wikipedia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or single income plus a 100% father, too.

      But then we'd have to get rid of that social stigma that the man should have the income in the family.

    62. Re:Via Wikipedia by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      modest exposure to the sun without sunblock.

      It's easy to blame it on video games and bad parents, all that money spent on PSA to always use sunblock isn't to blame.

    63. Re:Via Wikipedia by ockegheim · · Score: 1

      Basically, glucose can be metabolised anywhere in the body. Fructose has to be metabolised in the liver, so the more fructose you're eating, the harder your liver is working. For early humans, a feast of fructose from ripe fruit would only have happened a couple of times a year if you were lucky.

      Unfortunately for us that don't live in high-fructose-corn-syrup-land, sucrose is a glucose molecule joined to a fructose molecule, which makes 50% glucose to 50% fructose instead of the 45%/55% ratio in high fructose corn syrup. If only sucrose didn't taste so damned good!

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  3. The kicker: by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you spend so much time inside playing video games that you get a case of the rickets, you've got way more problems than just vitamin deficiency.

    1. Re:The kicker: by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      If you spend so much time inside playing video games that you get a case of the rickets, you've got way more problems than just vitamin deficiency.

      You don't hear people talk about it much, for obvious reasons, but it's also a cause of the rise in prolapsed anuses in teenagers caused by the support structures weakening from too much inactivity, combined with poor bowel movements.

  4. I can see the next new game drink... DDrink! by Fallen+Kell · · Score: 1

    DDrink!

    A Double Dose of D along with a Double Dollop of Caffeine! Get your Dose and Drink DDrink!

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    1. Re:I can see the next new game drink... DDrink! by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 1

      Thats the thing though, Milk is great for Vitamin D - and Chocolate Milk is a favourite amongst gamers.

      However, just having the D in your system doesn't get it to work, something in the sunlight "activates" it. I heard it from a girl one time.

    2. Re:I can see the next new game drink... DDrink! by Chainsaw · · Score: 3, Funny

      Thats the thing though, Milk is great for Vitamin D - and Chocolate Milk is a favourite amongst gamers.

      However, just having the D in your system doesn't get it to work, something in the sunlight "activates" it. I heard it from a girl one time.

      You actually TALKED to a girl? Wow. That's just incredible

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    3. Re:I can see the next new game drink... DDrink! by EllisDees · · Score: 1

      I don't think so. Vitamin D can either be synthesized by the skin through exposure to sunlight or it can be ingested and absorbed like most vitamins.

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    4. Re:I can see the next new game drink... DDrink! by hondo77 · · Score: 1

      I used to get a double dose of D all the time but that was when I was a newlywed. Twenty years later, now I hardly get any DD.

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    5. Re:I can see the next new game drink... DDrink! by isama · · Score: 1

      Yeah! most of us have our girls tied up in the basement! (using ductape naturally..)

    6. Re:I can see the next new game drink... DDrink! by Bobfrankly1 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Thats the thing though, Milk is great for Vitamin D - and Chocolate Milk is a favourite amongst gamers.

      However, just having the D in your system doesn't get it to work, something in the sunlight "activates" it. I heard it from a girl one time.

      You actually TALKED to a girl? Wow. That's just incredible

      Whoa, don't jump to conclusions now, he was outside the alleged girls window without her knowledge when he overheard this sunlight gimmick. He might have heard further explanation if he hadn't dropped the video camera in the bush and made a bunch of noise trying to find it...

    7. Re:I can see the next new game drink... DDrink! by Electron · · Score: 1

      Probably just his mother.

    8. Re:I can see the next new game drink... DDrink! by ildon · · Score: 1

      I honestly think the other guy is more clever for setting you up like that than you are for knocking it down. Shame the moderation system can't really reflect that.

  5. Milk? by OrangeMonkey11 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Wouldn't drinking milk resolved the Vitamin D deficiency. I do not know much about the Richet illness but what does sunlight have to do with Calcium.

    1. Re:Milk? by Fallen+Kell · · Score: 1

      Your skin produces vitamin D when exposed to sunlight...

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    2. Re:Milk? by ottothecow · · Score: 1

      And isn't a lot of the orange juice on the market vitamin D enriched? I know both tropicana and florida's best have one that is basically milk that tastes like orange juice (although I like pulp so I never buy it).

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    3. Re:Milk? by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 1

      Woops I posted this to the one above.

      However, just having the D in your system doesn't get it to work, something in the sunlight "activates" it.

      As for the guy who mentioned Orange Juice and Tropicana, most of it is Vitamin C, but there are Vitamin D enriched juices yes. Same rule applies though, it needs sunlight.

    4. Re:Milk? by idontgno · · Score: 1

      Vitamin D enriched foods and drinks (as well as those naturally high in D) would probably help, if we could get the pasty-skinned console trolls to consume them. Maybe if they added vitamin D to pizza rolls, Hot Pockets, Doritos, and Mountain Dew?

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    5. Re:Milk? by Renraku · · Score: 5, Informative

      Don't listen to those people. You do NOT need sunlight to get vitamin D. Vitamin D is produced by your body when the high energy photons in sunlight break apart some chemical bonds in your skin and vitamin D is one of the results. However, it has also been isolated and produced externally for many decades. The vitamin D that you intake is almost as effective as the vitamin D produced by the sun.

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    6. Re:Milk? by Knara · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sunlight isn't required to "activate" Vitamin D. It's that sunlight causes our bodies to naturally produce it.

    7. Re:Milk? by ottothecow · · Score: 2, Informative
      They already do this...the whole reason milk is loaded with vitamin D is that in the 1930's the government started forcing dairy producers to fortify their milk with vitamin D in order to combat rickets

      Maybe the real problem is the lack of milk.

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    8. Re:Milk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Milk is disgusting. Never drink the stuff. Granted, it is fine in food, but to drink it...bletch!

    9. Re:Milk? by brian0918 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Milk provides only miniscule amounts of vitamin D, and it is in the form that is less-readily absorbed by the human body - D2.

      A healthy level of vitamin D in the blood should be around 60 ng/mL, but even drinking several glasses of milk a day, you would barely go beyond the widespread, deficient level of around 25-30. In order to reach 60+, you'll have to supplement with the animal version of vitamin D, which is the liquid softgel Vitamin D3, and not the hard tablet D2 that's made from plant matter. If it just says "Vitamin D", chances are it's D2, and you should avoid that.

      Take about 4,000 to 8,000 IU per day and you're golden. On top of that, your immune system will be able to fight off the common colds that everyone else gets each year due to D deficiency.

      And don't bother trying to supplement with sun. Spending our lives in the shade has dramatically reduced our ability to convert sunlight into vitamin D.

      Sources: this cardiologist and this neurobiologist

    10. Re:Milk? by hondo77 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Yeah, don't listen to those people. Listen to the guy who tells you it's better to take a pill than to just get some sunlight. *rolls eyes*

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    11. Re:Milk? by jgtg32a · · Score: 1

      I disagree 100%, maybe its because when I was growing up the only things to drink in the house were Whole Milk or Water. It was actually funny when my two brothers and I all came home from college over some three day weekend my parents tried to play ahead and bought two gallons so we wouldn't run out. It was all gone w/in 24 hours.

    12. Re:Milk? by blackraven14250 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, listen to the guy who just said it's better to get sunlight than take a pill, and better to take a pill than to not get any vitamin D.

    13. Re:Milk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So in other words, we should be taking your wonderful vitamin D formula instead of going outside and suffering all of the nasty side effects like exercise, tanning, socialization, and possibly getting a life? ...Right. See you later then.

    14. Re:Milk? by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      Incorrect. Milk is typically fortified with D3 and A.
      Most D supplements contain D3, cholecalciferol, which is usually extracted from sheep lanolin. If it says vitamin D, it's usually D3. D2 is fairly hard to find. Generally D2, ergocalciferol, is only used in vegan supplements and to fortify vegan foods like soy milk. I know this because I'm vegan and D3 is unacceptable to me because it comes from animals.

      Since I'm vegan, I have to rely on the sun to photosynthesize D3. It's impossible to get enough vitamin D during the winter in northern latitudes, but your body can save up some D during the summer.

    15. Re:Milk? by brian0918 · · Score: 1, Redundant

      Milk provides only minuscule amounts of vitamin D, and it is in the form that is less-readily absorbed by the human body - D2.

      A healthy level of vitamin D in the blood should be around 60 ng/mL, but even drinking several glasses of milk a day, you would barely go beyond the widespread, deficient level of around 25-30. In order to reach 60+, you'll have to supplement with the animal version of vitamin D, which is the liquid softgel Vitamin D3, and not the hard tablet D2 that's made from plant matter. If it just says "Vitamin D", chances are it's D2, and you should avoid that.

      Take about 4,000 to 8,000 IU per day and you're golden. On top of that, your immune system will be able to fight off the common colds that everyone else gets each year due to D deficiency.

      And don't bother trying to supplement with sun. Spending our lives in the shade has dramatically reduced our ability to convert sunlight into vitamin D.

      Sources: this cardiologist and this neurobiologist

    16. Re:Milk? by blueg3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sources: blogs!

    17. Re:Milk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a) What's with the disdain for pills?
      b) Where did Renraku say "pills"?
      c) I agree, though, that "those people" is kind of unclear from Renraku's post.

    18. Re:Milk? by brian0918 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Yes, scientists have blogs too. *gasp* I know, I was shocked too! ZOMG LOL

      Fucktard.

    19. Re:Milk? by blueg3 · · Score: 1

      And they're completely legitimate and trustworthy sources of information. After all, nothing on the Internet is wrong, especially blogs.

      Incidentally, only one of the two appears to be a scientist.

    20. Re:Milk? by ottothecow · · Score: 2, Informative
      Eh...those guys are clearly talking about the other benefits of large amounts of vitamin D.

      Straight from the cow, milk has very little vitamin D, but the government mandated level is supposed to be enough to get you to the point where you don't get rickets (not something neurologists or cardiologists really deal with).

      The amounts of vitamin D that the guy in the first article is talking about is insanely more than any human would ever get from natural sources. We are just talking about preventing rickets here...not some miracle health vitamin.

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    21. Re:Milk? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't be so quick to call the poster a 'fucktard'. Looking at that cardiologist's blog - he says a bunch of things that are 1) against conventional wisdom (fine, that what blogs are for) and 2) backed up by absolutely nothing else than perhaps a couple of measurements from some of his patients. Not exactly a theme for good science. Not saying he's wrong, but I'm not inclined to give him much of the benefit of the doubt until I see some decent publications.

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    22. Re:Milk? by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      2) backed up by absolutely nothing else than perhaps a couple of measurements from some of his patients.

      And that's not what blogs are for?

    23. Re:Milk? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      And that's not what blogs are for?

      "This product has not been evaluated by the FDA and is not intended to diagnose or cure disease."

      Caveat Emptor

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    24. Re:Milk? by Slammer64 · · Score: 1

      Obligatory Commercial Reference: Got Milk?

    25. Re:Milk? by jim_v2000 · · Score: 1

      One IS a cardiologist (or at least there's a guy with that name who is a cardiologist in Milwaukee), and the other IS a neurobiologist. And what they're saying DOES match up with some papers I've looking at in my school's journal database on the topic. They seem legit to me.

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    26. Re:Milk? by bLanark · · Score: 2, Informative

      When you speak of "The government" you mean the U.S.A., yeah?

      This article (Q You did read TFA, didn't you? A No, you didn't even read the summary, did you? Sigh!) was published in the BRITISH medical journal. We Brits don't add much (if anything except water to bulk it up) to our foods here. Not even fluoride in the water (where I live, at least).

      But we do get free soma every day!

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    27. Re:Milk? by indi0144 · · Score: 1

      ... and Vitamin D helps calcium to stick together and make healthy bones.

      No, orally taken Vitamin D it's not the same as the one synthesized by the skin.

      Don't put up excuses just go out and receive sunlight. Who am I kidding, We all know somebody it's going to launch "Vitamin D 1337 Pro" for the xbox and parents will just buy it.

    28. Re:Milk? by blueg3 · · Score: 1

      Yes, one is a scientist and the other is a cardiologist. And they may well be right. (In fact, it's probably more likely that they're right than that they're wrong.) But that doesn't mean that there's any motivation to believe their blogs. If their information is worth anything, they're either getting it from (or much less likely, publishing it in) actual research journals, which is what you ought to reference. (Or, at the least, reference people who refer to the research itself.)

    29. Re:Milk? by indi0144 · · Score: 1

      I heard our soma production facilities are delivering an increase in the order of 1000 times more soma for the citizens, all this thank to the recent victories against Eastasia.

      Source: Miniluv

    30. Re:Milk? by jim_v2000 · · Score: 1

      Not everyone has access to journals (they cost money, you know?) so sometimes you just link to what someone who's credible.

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    31. Re:Milk? by xaxa · · Score: 1

      We Brits don't add much (if anything except water to bulk it up) to our foods here.

      To clarify that:
      We don't tend to add much/anything to most basic foods or ingredients. Milk and orange juice have no added vitamins, tomato pureé doesn't have added sugar, meat doesn't have antibiotics.

      But £1 frozen pizzas still contain fake cheese, flavour enhancers, colourings, reconstituted "ham", etc. Breakfast cereals often have too much salt and sugar to go with the added vitamins and minerals (the one in the less-fancy box is probably better). Microwave meals seem to need to cost at least £2.50/person if you don't want additives.

    32. Re:Milk? by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      What I was asking is: Is not one use of blogs to spread unscientific hearsay? Gee, a lot of blogs do that.

    33. Re:Milk? by emt377 · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't drinking milk resolved the Vitamin D deficiency.

      In the case of Rickets in the US and Europe it occurs predominantly among immigrants who have moved there from parts of the world closer to the equator. See e.g. http://www.eje-online.org/cgi/content/abstract/EJE-08-0818v1 . They're cold during much of the year so cover up virtually all their skin, have pigmentation that requires more exposure for the same Vitamin D generation, and are frequently lactose intolerant. Some percentage is due to hereditary metabolic disorders.

    34. Re:Milk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Calcium needs vitamin D to actually be used by the body. Sun exposure produces the bulk of natural vitamin D. The amount of milk needed to get a maximally beneficial amount of Vitamin D - which new research is showing to be closer to the level of 5000IU/day than the federally recommended 400IU - requires drinking *gallons* of the stuff. So most people are still deficient, according to this new research, and probably even more so than years ago, since most people stay indoors all day now.

      Tablet supplements, taken with some fat to digest properly, are the way to go. It was not long after starting on them that my mood improved immensely!

    35. Re:Milk? by arkhan_jg · · Score: 1

      Bear in mind, this is about the findings of a British reasearch team applicable to the UK; it's not just shut-in children suffering from vitamin D but adults working all day in artificially lit offices, going to the gym with no windows instead of running, or just sitting inside all day watching tv or playing games instead of out kicking a ball about etc. The problem is especially seen in those who have trouble getting vitamin D from sunlight; those with darker skins, such as pakistani or asian origin need more sunlight to create the same amount of vitamin D, the elderly also suffer.

      Also, ordinary milk in the UK is not fortfied with vitamin D; only baby formula. One of the suggestions of the researchers is to add it to foodstuffs such as milk to combat this modern resurgence.

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    36. Re:Milk? by jackchance · · Score: 1

      Not even fluoride in the water (where I live, at least).

      that explains the teeth

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  6. Hmm... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Informative

    Our wikipedia overlords report that the suggested daily supplementation for individuals at risk of deficiency is only 25 micrograms. Unless the risks of overdose are particularly hairy, or are encountered at a dose particularly close to the suggested one, this seems like a problem that could be fairly easily solved by slight modifications to the food supply.

    Or, heck, just make console controllers whose plastics slowly leach vitamin D into the greasy, sweaty, hands of the gamer kiddies....

    1. Re:Hmm... by FooAtWFU · · Score: 1

      this seems like a problem that could be fairly easily solved by slight modifications to the food supply.

      Like putting vitamin D into milk?

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    2. Re:Hmm... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Cheetos and Mountain Dew would probably be better targets...

    3. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, oh, I don't know..... get kids up off their fucking asses and outside to actually do something with their lives once in a while.

      Kids, listen up: You're probably gonna end up in a job where you sit on your ass in front of a computer for 40 hours a week. If you don't take advantage of this period of your life to do something other than what you're going to end up being paid to do down the road, it will be a short and unpleasant life.

    4. Re:Hmm... by MozeeToby · · Score: 1

      Or they could just go outside for 10 minutes a day *gasp* without sunscreen. Crazy, I know (and not necissarily effective in certain latitudes during the winter) but it would solve the problem very easily, no changes needed.

    5. Re:Hmm... by dougisfunny · · Score: 2, Informative

      Mountain Dew, now enhanced with Vitamin Dew

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    6. Re:Hmm... by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I just did a bit of research, it would take 10 taaaallll Glasses of Vitamin D enriched Milk to barely get the amount required.

      However, less than 30 minutes of sunlight (varying on your size, your skin pigmentation and where you live) will deliver this amount.

    7. Re:Hmm... by brian0918 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      A healthy level of vitamin D in the blood should be around 60 ng/mL. In order to reach that, you'll have to supplement with the animal version of vitamin D, which is the liquid softgel Vitamin D3, and not the hard tablet D2 that's made from plant matter. If it just says "Vitamin D", chances are it's D2, and you should avoid that.

      Take about 4,000 to 8,000 IU per day and you're golden. On top of that, your immune system will be able to fight off the common colds that everyone else gets each year due to D deficiency.

      And don't bother trying to supplement with sun. Spending our lives in the shade has dramatically reduced our ability to convert sunlight into vitamin D.

      Sources: this cardiologist and this neurobiologist

    8. Re:Hmm... by bakawolf · · Score: 2, Informative

      as opposed to a long and unpleasant life?

    9. Re:Hmm... by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      I just did a bit of research, it would take 10 taaaallll Glasses of Vitamin D enriched Milk to barely get the amount required.

      Where did you do your research?

      8 oz (a short glass) of vitamin D enriched milk has about 100 IU of vit D; USRDA for vit D is 400 IU.

      So that's four short glasses, or 2-3 taaaallll glasses to get the RDA.

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    10. Re:Hmm... by Hatta · · Score: 2, Funny

      To be fair, this study does come from England. Do they get 10 minutes of sunshine a day there?

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    11. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you read those blog posts at all? The FA is about Children and rickets. The first blog post specifically states that adults over 40 have trouble converting sunlight to vitamin D. Children still have that ability and, quoting from the blog, "should seasonally adjust their vitamin D dose" when they are out in the sun more.

    12. Re:Hmm... by hondo77 · · Score: 1

      I'd listen the to neurobiologist. The cardiologist seems kinda nutty.

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    13. Re:Hmm... by Duradin · · Score: 1

      And 30 minutes of sunlight in some locations will leave you with frostbite, hypothermia or just plain death if you're running around with a lot of exposed flesh.

      A couple taaaalll glasses of milk or losing a few extremities... tough choice.

    14. Re:Hmm... by brian0918 · · Score: 1

      They're in agreement, for the same reasons, and based on the same rationale. I could have simply cited one of them.

    15. Re:Hmm... by VorpalRodent · · Score: 1

      I know the goal was a joke, but nevertheless, we already do too much marketing of ultra processed goods as being healthy by virtue of them containing something that the body needs. It evokes the whole issue in Idiocracy of "Brawndo - Its got electrolytes!"

      I could see this turning into "Mountain Dew - Its got Vitamin D - Its what kids crave!"

      That being said, I have a 4-foot privacy wall in my cubicle constructed of Mountain Dew cans glued together.

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    16. Re:Hmm... by Inda · · Score: 1

      We had 10 minutes of sunshine last year.

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    17. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like putting tiny suns into the cheetos...

    18. Re:Hmm... by The+Mgt · · Score: 1

      Or having TVs and monitors produce some suitably low level of UVB.

    19. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you'll have to supplement with the animal version of vitamin D, which is the liquid softgel Vitamin D3, and not the hard tablet D2 that's made from plant matter.

      All of my hard tablets say "D3" on their labels.

    20. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BRAWNDO- The Rickets mutilator!
      Now with VITAMIN D!
      It's what kids crave?

    21. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Vitamin D is not really water soluble, so it's not necessarily easy to get into the food supply. According to my nutritional biochemistry prof in college most of the Vitamin D added to non-fat milk doesn't dissolve and gets stuck on the processing equipment instead of getting in the milk itself.

      Controllers leaching vitamin D might work better...

      Vitamin metabolism is more complicated than most media report, so there may be some collateral difference between supplemental and sunlight-generated vitamin D (like some activating factor increasing the next step of metabolism, etc.) Supplements might be better than nothing, but the sunlight's probably a better bet on this.

      Maybe I've got to decrease my computer time and see the sky one of these days...

    22. Re:Hmm... by Bobfrankly1 · · Score: 1

      ... this seems like a problem that could be fairly easily solved by slight modifications to the food supply.

      You mean like putting actual cheese in the cheesy poofs?

    23. Re:Hmm... by Bobfrankly1 · · Score: 1

      Or they could just go outside for 10 minutes a day *gasp* without sunscreen. Crazy, I know (and not necissarily effective in certain latitudes during the winter) but it would solve the problem very easily, no changes needed.

      This "outside" would be a change, and I don't deal with change easily. The homeless on the other hand, are always looking for change. "Change?" "chaaaaaange"

    24. Re:Hmm... by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      > You mean like putting actual cheese in the cheesy poofs?

      No. That would be a major modification.

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    25. Re:Hmm... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Can you imagine the sales pitch?

      Only Monster(tm) Brand HDMI 1.7 Platinum Premium Solar Edition cables can provide the high-frequency clarity necessary for full UVB fidelity and bone growth undistorted by interference or deficiency diseases!

    26. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would you STFU and stop plugging your blogs! this is the 5th time for christ sakes!

    27. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the stars are right.

      And even then..

    28. Re:Hmm... by xaxa · · Score: 1

      Yes, of course, but at higher latitudes (Northern Scandinavia etc) getting enough sunlight to be healthy can be an issue -- especially as it's cold enough that you want to cover your face and hands, which is not often necessary in England.

      (The sky was cloudy all day in London today; it was quite bright and dry this morning, there was light rain in the afternoon, then no rain, then moderate rain in the evening. AIUI the light through the clouds is still enough.)

    29. Re:Hmm... by iosq · · Score: 2, Informative

      RDA Is different from healthy blood levels. All the vitamin D doesn't miraculously vanish from your system when the clock strikes midnight. USDA seems to disagree with your recommendation of 4000-8000 IU a day - they set the "tolerable upper limit" for Vitamin D intake to 2000IU/day. That's not to say I think the levels you are suggesting are actually dangerous, just that no one without a pre-existing deficiency would need to supplement to that level.

    30. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, it's obviously Doritos fault for not putting in enough vitamin D even though the name clearly suggests it's the apical basement gaming health food.

    31. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop fucking spamming you retard

      It would help if your shit was accurate, but it's not.

    32. Re:Hmm... by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      That's not to say I think the levels you are suggesting are actually dangerous, just that no one without a pre-existing deficiency would need to supplement to that level.

      Actually, it's quite likely that the amounts could be toxic, especially for people with certain thyroid conditions. No one should consider taking that much Vit D unless they've consulted with a doctor; the amounts he suggests could very likely be toxic to some people.

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  7. This just in! by bearflash · · Score: 1

    As a follow up to this story, apparently smoking cigarettes has also been linked to a higher chance of being diagnosed with lung cancer, heart disease and other terminal ailments

  8. Grain of salt... by Shanrak · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm going to take this with a large grain of salt here. Does the publication in the British Medical Journal actually blame the rise on gaming, or is TFA simply adding the gaming aspect to it to generate a sensational article to post on a tech site with a large demographic who plays games. TFA only has a link to the BMJ homepage.

    Oh, and obligatory: correlation does not imply causation

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    1. Re:Grain of salt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Link to their paper's abstract: http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/extract/340/jan11_1/b5664 Nothing about gaming in the abstract:

      Risk factors include skin pigmentation, use of sunscreen or concealing clothing, being elderly or institutionalised, obesity, malabsorption, renal and liver disease, and anticonvulsant use

    2. Re:Grain of salt... by blackraven14250 · · Score: 1

      Oh, and obligatory: correlation does not imply causation

      If playing videogames causes you to be inside and thus not get sunlight, and not getting sunlight causes one to get rickets, then there is a causation here.

    3. Re:Grain of salt... by bughunter · · Score: 1

      Oh, and obligatory: correlation does not imply causation

      If playing videogames causes you to be inside and thus not get sunlight, and not getting sunlight causes one to get rickets, then there is a causation here.

      If fearmongering about UV exposure causes one to be inside, so that one chooses to play more videogames than soccer, then there is indeed a causation here, but not the one you're assuming.

      Hint: People far too often find a proximal cause and mistake it for the root cause.

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    4. Re:Grain of salt... by cheekyboy · · Score: 1

      Salts are crystals, not grains dude.

      What idiot coined that phrase?

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    5. Re:Grain of salt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article in question appears to be http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/extract/340/jan11_1/b5664 (you need a subscription to view the full text).

      The full text makes no mention of TV or video games of any kind. The closest it comes is a list of risk factors which includes "Lack of sunlight exposure or atmospheric pollution". In fact the paper seems to reinforce that the problem lies in diet and excessive covering of the skin when kids do go outside.

      It seems the quote in TFA is the researcher's personal opinion of the cause, rather than anything scientific.

    6. Re:Grain of salt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kids sat in front of the TV for hours a day before video games became common. Suggesting gaming is directly responsible for an increase in indoor time is unsubstantiated. Gaming may just be replacing time already spent watching TV, or may be one of many activities of choice for children who aren't allowed out-doors by their overprotective parents.

      Regardless of causation, nothing about gaming is in the actual paper, so bringing it up is at best pure conjecture, and more likely totally insincere agenda pushing.

  9. The market responds by RealErmine · · Score: 1

    Expect the addition of Vitamin D to popular gamer energy drinks.

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    1. Re:The market responds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are gamer energy drinks?? wtf?

  10. The future of gaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So gamers are going to evolve into squids?

  11. Gaming? by MrMista_B · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Bullshit.

    More likely the result of fear-tactic news scaring people into keeping their kids indoors 24 hours a day except for school. Playgrounds are where perverts lurk, remember? Gotta keep little Billy safe!

    Of course, indoors there are videogames - but there's also books, and television. Gaming is just one possible indoor activity - if you don't let your kids outside, don't be surprised if they end up fucked up.

    1. Re:Gaming? by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 1

      Probably the best post on this article right there.

      I can think of a large number of University students who would probably get Rickets from staying inside studying so much - if it weren't for the half hour outdoor walks across campus.

    2. Re:Gaming? by jimmyhugs · · Score: 1

      I find that the invisible fence keeps my children in the yard and away from predators. The only time they take the shock collars off is when we use the slip-n-slide.

    3. Re:Gaming? by wjc_25 · · Score: 1

      Books are a poor example. People can and do read books outside; I have yet to see someone trying to play Halo out on the quad, on the other hand. Video games may be being singled out excessively, but comparing them to television I don't know nearly as many shut-ins who watch TV obsessively as game obsessively.

    4. Re:Gaming? by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem is you can't blame just ONE item for it all though. A vitamin deficiency such as this reflects many bad lifestyle choices, not just gaming.

      People CAN read books outside yes, but I know just as many shutins who prefer to read as I know shut ins who game obsessively.

      I have, on many occaisons, seen someone gaming on their DS, PSP, Gameboy, etc while outside.

      I haven't on any occaison, seen anyone play a board game while inside. Yet some people do so religiously every week.

      Board games one night, Reading another, Television another, Gaming another. Thats more than 50% of your week which can be attributed to regular activities in moderation. Next thing you know its a snowy cloudy overcast, just like it is in Canada and England right now, so its too cold for any outdoor activities anyways. (Before you mention building snowmen, you can't do that in -30).

      I blame Rickets Rise on a multitude of things.

  12. Sunlight is the key by neurogeneticist · · Score: 0

    You need vitamin D, sunlight, and working kidneys in order to render it useful. You can get all the vitamin D you want in your diet, but without sunlight, it cannot be converted into a usable form by the kidneys. This is why they put northern Swedish and Norwegian kids under sun lamps for a few minutes every day. Thankfully, you really only need a few minutes of direct sunlight to covert enough vitamin D to last a while.

    1. Re:Sunlight is the key by idontgno · · Score: 4, Informative

      Unless the Wikipedia article is wrong, I think you're misinterpreting the flowchart.

      Ingestion of natural vitamin D3 (cholecalciferol) from oily fish, egg yolks, and other vertebrate tissue sources, ingestion of natural vitamin D2 (ergocalciferol) from invertebrate (usually fungal) tissue sources like mushrooms, ingestion of enriched foods with versions of either vitamin, or skin exposure to ultraviolet (which creates D3) all put vitamin D into the bloodstream. Then, the liver performs the first step of processing the vitamin, hydroxylation of either into calcidiol. Then, the kidney performs a second and final hydroxylation, conversion into calcitriol. This is the vitamin used by the tissues.

      In other words, sunlight is not involved with either hydroxylation reaction, only in one of the two sources (ingestion or skin synthesis) of the initial forms of vitamin D.

      If sunlight were involved in either hydroxylation reaction, we'd need to expose our livers and kidneys to sunlight, and that sounds quite painful and messy to me.

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  13. Obvious Solution by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 3, Funny

    Play your video games outdoors.

    1. Re:Obvious Solution by socrplayr813 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're modded funny, but why not think about what activities could be moved outside? Video games may not be the best choice to do it with, but it's not a terrible idea to at least consider it. Now that I think about it, it might be nice to go sit under a tree with my laptop somewhere (if it weren't winter).

      Really though, the bigger issue is that the majority of these cases are probably caused by poor diet more than (or at least as much as) lack of sun exposure.

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    2. Re:Obvious Solution by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      If my legs looked like the ones in the picture, I think I'd wear a cowboy hat and learn to talk like Sam Elliot. Chicks dig Sam Elliot.

    3. Re:Obvious Solution by idontgno · · Score: 1

      Well, let's think about what activities are being blamed for the problem described. The one seized upon and trumpeted loudly is gaming. So let's take the gaming rig outside. Where sunlight washes out the contrast of the LCD or CRT display and gets us killed in-game because we didn't see the faint trace of that sniper camper waaaaay over there. And then the console or PC overheats because of the lack of air conditioning. And then we get sunburn.

      Ditto with watching TV and video outdoors, especially the contrast washout and sunburn part.

      it might be nice to go sit under a tree with my laptop somewhere (if it weren't winter).

      Under a tree? In the shade? Where you aren't getting any UV exposure from the sunlight you're avoiding? Won't help your vitamin deficiency, sorry. Now, sitting under the (bare) tree in winter might give you more exposure, but at high temperate latitudes winter sunlight apparently isn't enough either. Never mind frostbite and hypothermia.

      Really though, the bigger issue is that the majority of these cases are probably caused by poor diet more than (or at least as much as) lack of sun exposure.

      Yup, I agree. We've had this "lack of sun exposure" problem since the beginning of the Industrial Age. We fixed it with vitamin enrichment of the foods people normally ate. Now, we don't eat those as much. So we accidentally avoid both sources of vitamin D: sunlight or healthy food. Winner!

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    4. Re:Obvious Solution by rev_sanchez · · Score: 1

      Finally, there's a reason to play Super Mario Sunshine.

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    5. Re:Obvious Solution by blueg3 · · Score: 1

      Way back when, I had a version of Wii Sports Tennis that you could play outdoors. The controllers were a lot heavier back then, though, and the game only worked properly in certain areas.

    6. Re:Obvious Solution by AMDuser · · Score: 1

      Kids can take out there PSPs and Gameboys outside in the sun or the parents could setup a Wii Game station outside in the back yard if they have a back yard, Wii Console in a enclosure and a Old CRT TV with the top covered.

  14. Video Games? Really? by medv4380 · · Score: 1

    So the lack of Milk fortified with Vitamin D has nothing to do with it, and thus we must blame video games rather then blame people for drinking soda. For the lactose intolerant I'm sorry, for the rest you cant have any pudding if you don't eat your meat.

  15. and of course by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This has nothing to do with the media telling everyone that we shouldn't even risk a glimpse at the sunlight without a generous slathering with SPF 2 billion sunscreen and a hat.

    1. Re:and of course by iosq · · Score: 1

      SPF 2 billion sunscreen

      It's necessary. After all, eight billion Americans die each year from skin cancer.

    2. Re:and of course by dangitman · · Score: 0, Troll

      This has nothing to do with the media telling everyone that we shouldn't even risk a glimpse at the sunlight without a generous slathering with SPF 2 billion sunscreen and a hat.

      That's right, it has nothing to do with that. Did you want a gold star for that off-topic comment?

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    3. Re:and of course by sjames · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, please and a pony.

    4. Re:and of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am confused. Did you mean tin foil or regular hat?

  16. Geeze "researchers"! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Correlation does not equal causation!

    Don't these morons read Slashdot?! We're so much smarter than they are.

    It's just unbelievable. I think, from now on, all researchers should submit an "Ask Slashdot" question and we'll answer it for them - and they can have the publishing credit. Now of course, for the peer reviewed journal, they'll have to submit data. But all the researchers have to do is just put in their cites 'Answered by the Slashdot guys." The reviewers will see that and realize that its got to be true!

    My captcha is "verified" - see, the Slashdot system knows it to be true!

  17. Re:Video Games? Really? by bearflash · · Score: 1

    It's the lack of sunlight, I used to have an iguana, they required certain rations of calcium to phosphorous and a decent amount of Vitamin D in their diet, but they also required sunlight to make them active in their body. You either needed to buy a special UV lamp, which wasn't quite as effective, or get them to a window at some point during the day so they could soak up some rays.

  18. Alrighty, clue me in by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

    I'm sure this works, just not how.

    Sunlight is photons. Energy. Vitamin D is matter. Vitamin D can't literally be in the sunlight.

    Does sunlight just cause the body to produce vitamin D, or what?

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    1. Re:Alrighty, clue me in by TheSync · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sunlight is photons. Energy. Vitamin D is matter. Vitamin D can't literally be in the sunlight.

      7-dehydrocholesterol, a derivative of cholesterol, is photolyzed in the skin (mostly in the epidermal stratum basale and stratum spinosum) by ultraviolet light between 270-300 nm wavelength in 6-electron conrotatory electrocyclic reaction. The product is pre-vitamin D3.

      Pre-vitamin D3 then spontaneously isomerizes to Vitamin D3 (cholecalciferol) in a antarafacial hydride [1,7] Sigmatropic shift. At room temperature the transformation of previtamin-D3 to vitamin D3 takes about 12 days to complete.

    2. Re:Alrighty, clue me in by DarkIcon · · Score: 1

      Yes, it does.
      I am not a chemist or biologist, but my understanding is that sunlight starts (or facilitates) a chemical process that produces Vitamin D. Without sunlight, that reaction does not happen.

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    3. Re:Alrighty, clue me in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You better not be shittin` me

    4. Re:Alrighty, clue me in by BarryJacobsen · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...7-dehydrocholesterol...photolyzed...epidermal stratum basale and stratum spinosum..6-electron conrotatory electrocyclic...spontaneously isomerizes...cholecalciferol...antarafacial hydride [1,7] Sigmatropic shift...

      Come on, he's not a child, you don't need to dumb it down :P

    5. Re:Alrighty, clue me in by Ragzouken · · Score: 1

      In other words, the possibilities of Tiberium... are limitless!

    6. Re:Alrighty, clue me in by ucblockhead · · Score: 1

      Yes. There are many chemical reactions that are catalyzed by photons.

      That's how people tan. That's how plants grow.

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  19. Ugh by rwalker429 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why are video games exclusively targeted in this? Yes, they create a pretty attractive form of indoor entertainment but the problem here isn't video games. It's the people playing them or in the case of children, THEIR PARENTS. Send the kids outside. Heck, a good video game will make a lot of kids WANT to go play outside...if only so they can emulate their favorite fictional hero of the day. The same case could be made for television, really great sex, or pretty much anything else that makes staying inside an attractive option. Give the sensationalism a rest. And if you're doing this to yourself as an adult and not climbing out of the basement bat-cave and seeing the light of day once in awhile...well then you're making a choice about your health and lifestyle. Last I recalled, being an adult involved making choices like that.

    1. Re:Ugh by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      Don't you know? Everything that every goes wrong with young people can be blamed on video games. Can't you think of the children?

    2. Re:Ugh by Zerth · · Score: 1

      They blame it on video games because last time they tried blaming it on excessive sunblock use and got reamed by the cancer prevention groups.

  20. Re:Video Games? Really? by bearflash · · Score: 1

    er ratios, not rations, sorry about that

  21. Vitamin D deficiency does not cause rickets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://bacteriality.com/2007/09/15/vitamind/#8

    The alternative hypothesis about rickets and vitamin D that includes references to studies demonstrating rickets is caused by calcium deficiency not vitamin d deficiency.

    1. Re:Vitamin D deficiency does not cause rickets by bearflash · · Score: 1

      Vitamin D is a crucial component in aiding the body's absorption of calcium, so it's quite probably that there would be a link between rickets and lack of properly activated Vitamin D in your body

    2. Re:Vitamin D deficiency does not cause rickets by compro01 · · Score: 1

      Vitamin D deficiency tends to cause calcium deficiency. The body can't properly absorb calcium without vitamin D.

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  22. What is this "sunlight"? by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

    The part of the country I'm in has been having snow, rain, wind, and hail for months. Even if I were outdoors, I wouldn't get any of this mythical "sunlight" here.

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    1. Re:What is this "sunlight"? by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      You must live in the northern part of the world like some of us. I can remember weeks going by here in Ontario with no actual sunlight, just grey hazy overcast days. Where the sun was up at 8am, setting at 3pm and you were inside the entire time with either school or work.

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  23. Re:Video Games? Really? by nigelo · · Score: 1

    You ! Yes, you, behind the bike-sheds... Stand still, laddie !

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  24. Sunlight Explanation, via Wikipedia by bearflash · · Score: 1

    Vitamin D is a prohormone, meaning that it has no hormone activity itself, but is converted to the active hormone 1,25-D through a tightly regulated synthesis mechanism. Production of vitamin D in nature always appears to require the presence of some UV light; even vitamin D in foodstuffs is ultimately derived from organisms, from mushrooms to animals, which are not able to synthesize it except through the action of sunlight at some point in the synthetic chain. For example, fish contain vitamin D only because they ultimately exist on calories from ocean algae which synthesize vitamin D in shallow waters from the action of solar UV.

  25. Re:Video Games? Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pretty much milk WITH UV radiation (sunlight) is the key.
    UVB (sun through glass) does not produce the vitamin D needed.

    http://dietary-supplements.info.nih.gov/factsheets/vitamind.asp

  26. Supplement with Vitamin D3 softgels, 5000IU/day by brian0918 · · Score: 2, Informative

    A healthy level of vitamin D in the blood should be around 60 ng/mL. In order to reach that, you'll have to supplement with the animal version of vitamin D, which is the liquid softgel Vitamin D3, and not the hard tablet D2 that's made from plant matter. If it just says "Vitamin D", chances are it's D2, and you should avoid that.

    Take about 4,000 to 8,000 IU per day and you're golden. On top of that, your immune system will be able to fight off the common colds that everyone else gets each year due to D deficiency.

    And don't bother trying to supplement with sun. Spending our lives in the shade has dramatically reduced our ability to convert sunlight into vitamin D.

    Sources: this cardiologist and this neurobiologist

    1. Re:Supplement with Vitamin D3 softgels, 5000IU/day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are you people modding this up? This is the 3rd time it has been posted here.

    2. Re:Supplement with Vitamin D3 softgels, 5000IU/day by JrGrouch0 · · Score: 1

      Really? Again? How many times are you going to post this? And why does everyone keep modding it up?

  27. Iodized salt by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

    I believe that prepared foods do not use iodized salt. You only can only get it with salt in its raw granular form. Otherwise, most people would get too much iodine in their diet.

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    1. Re:Iodized salt by blueg3 · · Score: 1

      I believe that...

      Research: you're doing it wrong.

    2. Re:Iodized salt by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      And if you use Kosher salt at home, or sea salt, you don't get any iodine there either.

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    3. Re:Iodized salt by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      Don't you dip your hotpockets in ketchup and salt like everyone else? I'd put salt in my Mt. Dew Gamer Fuel (TM) if it didn't cause it to fizz so much. Who cares about rickets when we've got heart disease to promote?

    4. Re:Iodized salt by aywwts4 · · Score: 1

      I hate iodized salt, If I need my Iodine I don't want it ruining all my carefully prepared fresh meals with a chemical taste.

      (If you have never used sea salt you will find that most of the flavor we associate with "Saltiness" (The "Blah-yuck" licking the roof of your mouth) is actually iodine.)

      Where can I get my iodine?

      For instance, on the very rare occasions I go to a place like olive garden for lunch what are my bread (Salt&butter-sticks) sticks covered in? Do I get any iodine elsewhere?

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  28. If people stayed in their house all day and gamed by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't there also be a sizable drop in the percentages of STD's contracted, unplanned pregnancies, traffic accidents, drunk and disorderly conduct, and homicides?

  29. I hear similar thing happens in England by fermion · · Score: 1
    This is quite credible. I recall reading a situation in Britain where some first generation immigrants did not understand that in certain parts of England the sun was not as bright as in other places. When the mothers took the babies out for walks, everyone was covered and skin as not exposed to the sun. It was reported that issues related with vitamin D deficiencies were common in mothers and some babies.

    I wonder if kids get any sun. I see my neighbors inside all the time, they even have an attached garage. Schools are limited recess to practice for federally mandated testing. It is little wonder that so many of the kids are little weakling(even compared to my geeks peer group).

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    1. Re:I hear similar thing happens in England by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

      Too bad the people who wrote this study did not look at the vitamin D connection:
      "Schizophrenia in black Caribbeans living in the UK: an exploration of underlying causes of the high incidence rate"
      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2418996/
      "The incidence of schizophrenia in black Caribbeans living in the UK is substantially higher than in the white British population. When first reported, these findings were assumed to be a first-generation migrant effect or merely the result of methodological artefacts associated with inconsistencies in the diagnosis of schizophrenia in black Caribbeans and doubts about population denominators. More recently, it has become clear that the incidence of schizophrenia, based on standardised diagnosis and sophisticated census methods, is higher still in second-generation black Caribbeans. The largest study to date has demonstrated a ninefold higher risk of schizophrenia in UK-resident black Caribbeans: findings that are of concern to black Caribbean communities, to their GPs, and to health service managers responsible for resource allocation."

      Contrast with:
      http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/health/autism/the-black-community.shtml
      """
      Vitamin D deficiency discriminates based on race, or more precisely, the amount of melanin (pigment) in the skin, which is an effective and ever-present sunscreen. The vitamin D theory of autism predicts that autism is more common in children born to darker-skinned mothers. Such studies are difficult as they raise sensitive social issues, although 3 of 4 recent U.S. studies found a higher incidence of autism in black children—sometimes appreciably higher. [Bhasin TK, Schendel D. Sociodemographic Risk Factors for Autism in a US Metropolitan Area. J Autism Dev Disord. 2007 Apr;37(4):667–77. Croen LA, et al. The changing prevalence of autism in California. J Autism Dev Disord. 2002 Jun;32(3):207–15. Hillman RE, et al. Prevalence of autism in Missouri: changing trends and the effect of a comprehensive state autism project. Mo Med. 2000 May;97(5):159–63.]
      """

      Or:
      http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/newsletter/vitamin-d-and-schizophrenia.shtml
      """
      Before I describe the remarkable paper from Harvard, I want to compliment researchers at the Saint Barthomew's Hospital in England for almost saying what most psychiatrists already know; the incidence of schizophrenia is much higher in people with dark skin. In the 1970s and 80s, that was an accepted fact, until charges of racism were leveled against the American Psychiatric Association (APA). The spineless APA promptly did retrospective chart analyses and announced the incidence of schizophrenia is exactly — precisely — the same for Blacks as it is for Whites. The ethnicity question is important as the Vitamin D theory is not tenable unless darker skin means a higher incidence. [Coid JW, Kirkbride JB, Barker D, Cowden F, Stamps R, Yang M, Jones PB. Raised incidence rates of all psychoses among migrant groups: findings from the East London first episode psychosis study. Arch Gen Psychiatry. 2008 Nov;65(11):1250–8.]
      Actually, in 2007, a group at Columbia University appears to be the first to break with the APA's political correctness. Dr. Michaeline Bresnahan and her colleagues followed 12,000 children for up to 28 years after birth. African Americans were 3 (three) times more likely to develop schizophrenia than whites and socioeconomic factors could not explain away their findings. [Bresnahan M, Begg MD, Brown A, Schaefer C, Sohler N, Insel B, Vella L, Susser E. Race and risk of schizophrenia in a US birth cohort: another example of health disparity? Int J Epidemiol. 2007 Aug;36(4):751–8.]
      """

      I wrote to the author of the first linked study on this (but no resp

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  30. Mod parent up; more on vitamin D by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Most people in the USA are vitamin D deficient, and it has been linked to depression, schizophrenia, obesity, diabetes, cancer, heart disease, autism, influenza, and more. More on getting the right level of vitamin D through using D3 gelcaps or other means:
        http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/treatment.shtml

    Or another item on that blog on blood testing if you supplement:
      http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/2009/01/why-rda-for-vitamin-d.html

    Another site:
    http://www.grassrootshealth.net/

    A quiz on vitamin D:
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2005/09/06/test-your-vitamin-d-knowledge.aspx

    "Might Influenza be Little More Than a Symptom of Vitamin D Deficiency?"
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/10/21/avoid-flu-shots-vitamin-d-is-a-better-way.aspx

    Many people suggest the right amount of sun exposure may still be best, but it is hard to get. If you have darker skin and work indoors, it may be almost impossible even in summer to get enough sunlight far from the equator:
    http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/health/autism/the-black-community.shtml
    http://curtisduncan.blogspot.com/2009/10/why-michelle-obama-is-more-likely-to.html

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    1. Re:Mod parent up; more on vitamin D by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1
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  31. Mod parent up by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1
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  32. Milk -- it does a body good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been playing video games in a "prolonged" manner for 20 years. I used to drink milk for every meal. No rickets. In fact, I still have all my teeth and have only broken two bones (the same pinky twice from various injuries during gym class).

    Drink milk.

  33. Sunlight emitting gaming tanning salon displays by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

    Isn't this the obvious answer? Keep your rickets in check, while enjoying your favorite game, while getting a great tan to impress that date, that you will never get . . .

    . . . might as well die of rickets: Game fast, die young, leave a rickets infested corpse.

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  34. Gilchrest fractures by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Dr. John Cannell of the Vitamin D Council site also calls these "Gilchrest Fractures" after a dermatologist:
        http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/newsletter/2006-nov.shtml
    """
    Your son had what I call a "Gilchrest fracture." About 30 years ago, dermatologists like Barbara Gilchrest at Boston University, began telling Americans, including children, to stay out of the sun, lather on the sunblock, and to "drink milk" if they are concerned about vitamin D. The problem is that your son would have to drink at least 40 glasses of milk a day to get enough vitamin D if he followed her sun-avoidance advice and it sounds like he did.
        Gilchrest fractures are vitamin D deficiency fractures in healthy people that occur after normal activities. Two studies have clearly linked such fractures to low vitamin D levels. A recent Finnish study found Gilchrest fractures to be almost four times more likely in young soldiers with vitamin D levels below 30 ng/ml (75 nmol/L). An earlier study of Israeli soldiers showed the same thing. The surprising thing about both studies was none of the men were obviously vitamin D deficient, indicating—once again—that current lower limits of vitamin D blood levels are set too low and that serum 25(OH)D levels should be maintained at 50–80 ng/ml, year-round. [Ruohola JP, et al. Association between serum 25(OH)D concentrations and bone stress fractures in Finnish young men. J Bone Miner Res. 2006 Sep;21(9):1483–8. Givon U, et al. Stress fractures in the Israeli defense forces from 1995 to 1996. Clin Orthop Relat Res. 2000 Apr;(373):227–32.]
        The rates of Gilchrest fractures, even in young people, have been steadily increasing over the last thirty years, since dermatologists have been handing out their pathological advice. For example, the incidence of fractured wrists in American kids went up 32% in boys and 56% in girls between the years 1970–2000. [Khosla S, et al. Incidence of childhood distal forearm fractures over 30 years: a population-based study. JAMA. 2003 Sep 17;290(11):1479–85.]
        A study in Great Britain showed a clear latitudinal variation with the lowest fracture rates in sunnier southeast England and the highest rates in of Gilchrest fractures in Northern Ireland, Wales, and Scotland. [Cooper C, et al. Epidemiology of childhood fractures in Britain: a study using the general practice research database. J Bone Miner Res. 2004 Dec;19(12):1976–81.]
        The good news is that your son only suffered a broken foot by following Professor Gilchrest's advice. As you will see below, others have lost their lives. ...
        All this leaves us with a question, "Are physicians responsible for their advice?" When dermatologists or other physicians subvert the vitamin D steroid hormone system by telling patients to avoid the sun, do they assume an affirmative duty to assess and maintain the vitamin D system they have subverted? Do they have a duty to inform their patients about relevant risks of sun-avoidance? Do they have a duty to inform their patients about relevant risks of vitamin D deficiency? How many dermatologists even bother to check vitamin D levels in their pale-as-ghost patients? How many bother to advise vitamin D supplements? If they do advise supplements, how many advise enough vitamin D to compensate for lack of sunlight? These are questions for tort lawyers.
    """

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    1. Re:Gilchrest fractures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about using your own freaking brain for once instead of suing people??

      Excess UV exposure is linked to skin cancer. That is proven.

      Lack of Vitamin D is proven to increase other cancers, poor calcium absorption.

      The thing is, death rates from skin cancer is increasing thanks to human destruction of ozone layer and lack of awareness of both cancer and causes. Dermatologists and other doctors try to increase awareness. Just because some ignorant people take it to excessive level, does not imply they are negligent in their message that excess UV exposure results in skin cancer.

      Take it another way. Bacteria cause disease. On the other hand, they are vital to proper development of the immune system. Excessive cleanliness especially at your age results in asthma, allergies and overall badly developed immune system. Does that imply parents should be sued by their kids for being ignorant and taking things to excessive level?

      And what is next? Suing your local municipality because you were born too far north to get enough UV in winter time? Or suing you get too much causing cancer?

      Anyway, your attitude towards this problem is partly why US Medical system is so fucked up. /rant

  35. Vitamin D defiency and schooling too... by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Vitamin D in the human body is produced mostly by the effect of sunlight on the skin, which creates the version called vitamin D3 (which is the best version to supplement with, usually from fish oil in gelcaps).

    Essentially, as people in industrialized countries have been spending more time indoors at home, work, or school, often at computer screens; and as people have been following well-meant advice from dermatologists to stay out of the sun; and as we all drive more instead of walk or bicycle; and as children are less allowed to roam freely outdoors through fears of stranger abductions or whatnot, we have ended up vitamin D deficient as a society. Vitamin D deficiency has been linked with a variety of issues, including cancer, depression, diabetes, obesity, schizophrenia, autism, heart disease, tooth decay, asthma, allergies, osteoporosis, and even influenza. Ironically, vitamin D deficiency may be causing even more skin cancers in office workers, because being vitamin D deficient cripples some of the immune response that prevents cancer cells from getting out of control. Modern window glass has also been "improved" to let through less UV-B rays to prevent carpet fading; so now we have faded people instead. :-(

    Consider that vitamin D deficiency is related to behavioral issues like depression that can manifest themselves in different ways in children. If kids misbehaves in school, they are often denied going outside at recess into the sunshine. If kids misbehave more, they are denied being outside all summer in the sunshine because they have to go to summer school. If they are really bad eventually, then kids get set to juvenile detention and then prison where they may be mostly indoors for years. Sadly, that is a negative spiral of vitamin D deficiency. Homeschoolers at least have the option of being outdoors more and getting more sunshine.

    I wrote some on that connection here:
    "ADHD or lack of Vitamin D? Albany Free School connection?"
    http://listcultures.org/pipermail/p2presearch_listcultures.org/2009-October/005083.html
    "I have no doubt such a play-based curriculum is a good thing and better than compulsory school for most kids. I love learner-directed education, where public schools would become more like public libraries. But, what if some of the magic with the kids labeled ADHD at the Albany Free School is that, instead of getting Ritalin, that kids who have been labeled are allowed to play outdoors in the sunlight a lot? Especially African American kids in that more northern area of the USA who will struggle more with getting enough Vitamin D at that lattitude? The Free School has an outdoor courtyard at the school kids can use when they want, and they allow kids to go to the nearby parks, plus they have some rural lands they go on field trips too."

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    1. Re:Vitamin D defiency and schooling too... by RobinEggs · · Score: 1

      Consider that vitamin D deficiency is related to behavioral issues like depression that can manifest themselves in different ways in children. If kids misbehaves in school, they are often denied going outside at recess into the sunshine. If kids misbehave more, they are denied being outside all summer in the sunshine because they have to go to summer school. If they are really bad eventually, then kids get set to juvenile detention and then prison where they may be mostly indoors for years. Sadly, that is a negative spiral of vitamin D deficiency. Homeschoolers at least have the option of being outdoors more and getting more sunshine.

      Holy shit, I never realized all juvenile behavioral problems could be linked to a child 'acting out' just one single time and then never seeing sunshine again. You've enlightened me.

      Seriously though, you've taken your potentially valid hypothesis and then strung it through 3 or 4 eventualities in a child's life to the point where it's barely plausible anymore, and completely unprovable. It's dramatic over-simplifications like your lack-of-sunlight claim that started things like telling kids to never, ever get any sunlight in the first place. If it's a problem then say so and back it up, but don't hype it as the source of all human discontent.

    2. Re:Vitamin D defiency and schooling too... by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

      Well, that's how positive feedback loops work though -- you can start out with a little of a problem and watch feedback create a big problem. Consider even gaming or other computer use. Staying indoors a lot causes vitamin D deficiency, which may cause depression, which gives you less energy to go outdoors, and leaves you in more pain, and so you turn to the computer for pain relief, again as a positive feedback loop producing increasing dysfunction. This may be an important aspect of our current widespread social dysfunction in the industrialized world, especially the USA.

      Anyway, some link to the science about vitamin D and mental illness, that is still emerging:
      http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/depression.shtml
      http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/mentalIllness.shtml
      """
      We propose vitamin D plays a role in mental illness based on the following five reasons:
      1. Epidemiological evidence shows an association between reduced sun exposure and mental illness.
      2. Mental illness is associated with low 25-hydroxyvitamin D [25(OH)D] levels.
      3. Mental illness shows a significant comorbidity with illnesses thought to be associated with vitamin D deficiency.
      4. Theoretical models (in vitro or animal evidence) exist to explain how vitamin D deficiency may play a causative role in mental illness.
      5. Studies indicate vitamin D improves mental illness.
      """

      Things like depression in children can often manifest themselves in various ways other than withdrawal.

      But sure, you're right to be wary of oversimplifications. Here is another big part of the problem, which is more social and cultural:
      "Surviving America's Depression Epidemic: How to Find Morale, Energy, and Community in a World Gone Crazy" by Bruce E. Levine"
      http://books.google.com/books?id=bCuC2H-6k_8C
      http://www.amazon.com/Surviving-Americas-Depression-Epidemic-Community/dp/1933392711
      "The rate of depression in the U.S. has increased more than tenfold in the last fifty years. By not seriously confronting societal sources of despair, American mental health institutions have become part of the problem rather than the solution. The good news is that age-old wisdom and legitimate science -- uncorrupted by the profit-margin pressures of pharmaceutical and insurance corporations -- have much to inform us about revitalizing depressed people and a depressing culture. Surviving America's Depression Epidemic provides an alternate approach that encompasses the whole of our humanity, society, and culture, and which redefines depression in a way that makes enduring transformation more likely."

      Dr. Levine does not mention vitamin D though, but he does have a very tiny section on nutrition. Nutrition underlies a lot of this too. Here is one approach to dealing with resensetizing our tastes to healthier food:
      http://www.healthpromoting.com/Articles/articles/PleasureTrap.htm
      http://www.amazon.com/Pleasure-Trap-Mastering-Undermines-Happiness/dp/1570671508

      Cure vitamin D deficiency, while also improving our society with more face-to-face interactions in healthy communities with humane values, and with everyone getting nutritious food to eat, and the world would be a much much better place for everyone. And we have more than enough resources to do that, if we did not waste them all fighting over perceived scarcity and dealing with all the craziness that comes from artificial scarcity (like an artificial scarcity of sunlight by forcing kids to be indoors all the ti

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  36. Re:If people stayed in their house all day and gam by blueg3 · · Score: 1

    You joke, but in college I was in a gaming club (as in, D&D) that got funding specifically because it provided an alternative to getting plastered on a Friday evening.

    It was effective, too. We restricted our drinking to Saturday and Sunday.

  37. Uptick -- not uptake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apparently Mr rape commando doesn't know the difference between an uptick (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/upticks) and uptake (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/uptake).

  38. Vitamin D and the irony of patents and copyrights by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    It is possible that some of this vitamin D deficiency disaster could have been prevented with more information sharing. As I wrote here:
    http://listcultures.org/pipermail/p2presearch_listcultures.org/2009-October/005081.html
    """
    Ryan pointed out to me the University of Wisconsin has patents related to Vitamin D. So, were people perhaps denied Vitamin D as an example of a public institution being funded by public dollars privatizing research results? Same as I can't easily see that study above on the web. ...
    I don't know for sure, but I'd suspect most of this research is funded at least in part by public dollars.
    I'm assuming, because the University of Wisconsin says they make a lot of money still from Vitamin D, that lawsuits might start flying if someone else starts using Vitamin D therapies without a license for various illnesses?
    Is it possible this is a case of the patent system linked to profit-oriented non-profits damaging the health of billions of people globally? Related:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayh-Dole_Act
    http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2000/03/press.htm
    http://www.pdfernhout.net/open-letter-to-grantmakers-and-donors-on-copyright-policy.html
    If the global health care costs of treating all the diseases that have been suggested related to Vitamin D deficiency each year in whole or in part were totaled up, from flu through cancer to schizophrenia, it might total in the trillions of dollars per year in costs.
    If people were somehow getting less Vitamin D because of the societal consequences of patents (including competitivenesses among researchers, but also making techniques to costly to use or delaying their widespread adoption), it is possible the the consequences of proprietary knowledge from just this one issue might have cost our global society many trillions of dollars and untold personal suffering. Enough money to fund endless researchers making more free knowledge. Meanwhile, the University of Wisconsin got a little bit bigger.
    Obviously, I'm all for the Vitamin D researchers at the University Wisconsin as well as other universities getting all the resources they need to do good work. But, there may be a huge problem here with public funding strategies for research. The proprietary approach to research knowledge may literally have been costing trillions of dollars a year (in current dollars) for decades taken across the globe. For the past fifty years, at two trillion a year in excess medical costs, this might add up to US$100 trillion in excess medical costs due to such medical knowledge being proprietary and researchers not cooperating more.
    Of course, then the huge public health bills are used to justify *increasing* the proprietary aspects of medical knowledge to create more artificial scarcity -- which is a tremendous and sad irony.
    """

    Here is one study of the cost to Western Europe of vitamin D deficiency, and it does not even included costs for excess mental illness:
    "Estimated benefit of increased vitamin D status in reducing the economic burden of disease in western Europe."
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19268496
    """
    Vitamin D has important benefits in reducing the risk of many conditions and diseases. Those diseases for which the benefits are well supported and that have large economic effects include many types of cancer, cardiovascular diseases, diabetes mellitus, several bacterial and viral infections, and autoimmune diseases such as multiple sclerosis. Europeans generally have low serum 25-hydroxyvit

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  39. Citation Needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Just throwing this out there, but the healthy level of vitamin D in the blood varies depending whether the body needs to be storing calcium in bones or removing calcium from bones (to prevent tetanus between meals, etc.) Your level of 60 ng/mL should have some variance. Also, the liver/skin stores of vitamin D are probably more important because of the relatively short functional lifetime of activated vitamin D.

    Are there statistically robust data that show a reduced ability to synthesize vitamin D using sunlight. It might be possible because of restricting our cholesterol, since you need that to make the vitamin D. I am quite doubtful on this point, though.

    Recommending 4,000 to 8,000 IU per day? Again, statistically robust data. That might be a good amount. It might work for you. It might work for people with impaired vitamin D metabolism. But I'm not sure it's a good GENERAL guideline. I'd want some studies on that, not just some doc's opinion.

    D3 is, if I recall, more readily used by the body than D2, requiring fewer metabolic steps to be ready to use.

    I would say the message is: if you're going to supplement Vitamin D, try D2 and D3 to see which works best. Try a bunch of doses to see what's helpful. Try spending more time in the sun. Whatever works best, go with that.

    Above and beyond that, your post is really fishy.

  40. Web calculator by Khashishi · · Score: 2, Informative

    There's a very nice calculator for how much sunlight you need. You might find that 30 minutes sorely underestimates your needs.

    Look for fastrt, by Ola Engelsen. There seems to be multiple versions, and I'm not sure which is the latest. Some leave out Skin Type, which an important factor, but here's one with it in.
    http://nadir.nilu.no/~olaeng/fastrt/VitD-ez_quartMED.html

    here's a more detailed version
    http://nadir.nilu.no/~olaeng/fastrt/VitD_quartMEDandMED.html

    There is also an associated paper, but I'm not sure if this is the latest version
    http://www.nilu.no/index.cfm?ac=publications&folder_id=4309&publication_id=16084&view=rep&lan_id=3
    or maybe this
    http://www.nilu.no/index.cfm?ac=publications&folder_id=4309&publication_id=9024&view=rep

    1. Re:Web calculator by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      btw, if you are in the Southern Hemisphere, use a negative number for latitude. And same with Western Hemisphere and longitude (all of America).
      Asians are around type III or IV, depending on darkness.

  41. Re:If people stayed in their house all day and gam by Bobfrankly1 · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't there also be a sizable drop in the percentages of STD's contracted, unplanned pregnancies, traffic accidents, drunk and disorderly conduct, and homicides?

    I suppose that would entirely depend on what you are gaming...

  42. well... by Shads · · Score: 1

    Well that might be something they can actually legitimately blame on gaming instead of all the crap they normally blame on it.

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  43. It's not gaming that's the problem by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Parents, yet again, are the true problem. If these kids weren't gaming, they'd be chatting on the computer or watching tv or just playing in their bedroom because parents won't let them outside since there are paedophiles on every street corner. Having both parents working also stops kids from getting out because no one is there to watch them when they're out or even to ensure they go out rather than stay inside all day.

    1. Re:It's not gaming that's the problem by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

      This is the very same government that yesterday wasted £3,000,000 of British tax payers' money by releasing a pamphlet instructing men on how to be good fathers - with recommendations that they are present at the births of their children and ensure their wives/partners are kept nutritionally well fed.

      One wonders if any man that needs to read the pamphlet should be a father in the first place...

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    2. Re:It's not gaming that's the problem by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      That's the problem you can't really say who and who can't be a father (or mother) but unfortunately it's often the people that shouldn't have kids that have them because they're as irresponsible about having sex as they are with kids.

  44. some one needs to shoot mr burns! by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

    some one needs to shoot mr burns!

  45. Full Spectrum Lights = Vitamin D by mhajicek · · Score: 1

    After a little Googling I'm finding many "full spectrum" CFL bulbs the makers of which claim will help your body produce Vitamin D.

  46. Not enough sunlight... by stewbacca · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...because they live in England.

  47. Re:Video Games? Really? by Khashishi · · Score: 1

    I thought most building windows block a substantial amount of UVB, so staying indoors isn't a good option.

  48. $32,000 will support a family of four? by spun · · Score: 1, Informative

    Bullshit. Do you have any idea what the average salary in this country is? What the cost of housing is? Tell me how a family of four can survive on $32,000 a year, please. Tell me where you can find a suitable dwelling for four for under $800/month, in a place that actually has jobs? You and I may be able to pull it off, hell, I DO pull it off, my wife doesn't work, and we don't have to cut back on anything, but for most people, a single breadwinner is a pipe dream.

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    1. Re:$32,000 will support a family of four? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a family of three, my wife and I are able to support a child for less than $24,000.

      But we're in Canada so I'm not sure that's not a true comparison. You just have to watch what you're spending on is all.

    2. Re:$32,000 will support a family of four? by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      You just said you do it. So, what makes you so special, that it's a pipe dream to most people?

    3. Re:$32,000 will support a family of four? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At a guess: he's working in an industry where the pay scales are way higher than the average. To illustrate the point: I live in Australia. To me, $60,000 (Australian) is a low salary. To a lot of people, that's a high salary. I'm looking for a job right now, and the salary I want (as distinct from the salary I'm willing to accept) is $90,000 plus superannuation. A significant number of people in this country have absolutely no hope of getting that sort of money. I do. So yes, for me, raising a family on a single income, with a full time mother is an eminently feasible proposition. For many others, it's not.

  49. See citations at the Vitamin D Council website by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    I agree that the OP point on sunlight not being good enough is fishy, although on a practical basis you are just not going to get enough vitamin D from sunlight living the typical mostly indoor life in the Western world. But, the OP does indirectly bring up a cutting edge area of research about what is normal vitamin D levels and how have humans evolved in different settings to process different levels of vitamin D (like in the plains, the forest, the seashore, and the frozen icy wastes of the ice ages, and with different skin pigmentation in each setting). So, there remain a lot of unknowns.

    But, the rest of it as far as recommendations is legitimate according to the emerging science, even if there are, as you suggest, caveats that for some few people with rare diseases issue that may be made worse by supplementing.

    You can find a vast amount of scientific papers at this site:
    http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/

    Here is one 2009 study that is there:
    "Vitamin D for Cancer Prevention: Global Perspective"
    http://www.oncologystat.com/journals/review_articles/AEP/Vitamin_D_for_Cancer_Prevention_Global_Perspective.html
    "RESULTS/CONCLUSIONS: It is projected that raising the minimum year- round serum 25(OH)D level to 40 to 60 ng/mL (100–150 nmol/L) would prevent approximately 58,000 new cases of breast cancer and 49,000 new cases of colorectal cancer each year, and three fourths of deaths from these diseases in the United States and Canada, based on observational studies combined with a randomized trial. Such intakes also are expected to reduce case-fatality rates of patients who have breast, colorectal, or prostate cancer by half. There are no unreasonable risks from intake of 2000 IU per day of vitamin D3, or from a population serum 25(OH)D level of 40 to 60 ng/mL. The time has arrived for nationally coordinated action to substantially increase intake of vitamin D and calcium."

    For most people in industrialized countries who spend most of their time indoors, to get that level, you have to supplement in the range the OP mentioned. However, as Dr. Cannell of the Vitamin D Council suggests,
    http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/treatment.shtml
    you need periodic blood testing to be sure you are getting the right amount. Here is another blog entry from the blog the OP mentioned on this too;
    http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/2009/01/why-rda-for-vitamin-d.html

    Another resource:
    "A Consortium of Scientists, Institutions and Individuals Committed to Solving the Worldwide Vitamin D Deficiency Epidemic"
    http://www.grassrootshealth.net/
    They have been coordinating blood test results with supplementation levels.

    Experts still disagree about the best level for vitamin D in the blood, but in general, it is way higher than what most people have. Here are Dr. Mercola's suggestions, which are close to Dr. Cannell's , but higher than the Grass Roots Health groups:
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2002/02/23/vitamin-d-deficiency-part-one.aspx
    Dr. Mercola suggests sunlight is the best source.

    An audio interview with Dr. Cannell on some of these issues:
    http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/audio/dr-cannell-one-radio-network-interview-11-12-09.mp3

    Like everything, there are probably limits to this advice. In that radio interview Dr. Cannell mentions one person (Trevor Marshall) who disagrees. Here

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  50. I smell a business opportunity! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LCD / Plasma / CRT tubes that radiate the appropriate UV spectrum to trigger Vitamin D synthesis in human skin. Just make sure no one gets extra crispy.

  51. Re:Video Games? Really? by medv4380 · · Score: 1

    We don't need no education http://vitamind.ucr.edu/milk.html

  52. -sunlight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We don't need more sunlight, we just need brighter TVs and monitors!

  53. Substitutes? by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

    "Video games may not be the best choice to do it with"

    Wii sports could be replaced by like, actual, sports. 1st person shooters could be replaced by paint-ball. Donkey Kong is based on a real-life love story. :)

  54. What they don't say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What they don't say here is that it is black immigrants to England that are most at risk. Pale white children can get enough from just a few minutes of exposure every day, like walking to school, even with only their faces exposed. Black kids need a lot more exposure to the sun.

  55. Explains a lot. by Tak_1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A Trip to the doctor recently found that my blood work was great, except for a SERIOUS vitamin D shortage. Now I have to take 2000Mg of Vitamin D a day. Considering my free time consists of "World of Warcraft" this isn't too surprising. But I'm 45 years old. When I was a kid I had an actual life and a decent diet. If my vitamin D levels had been this low at 12, my bones would have been like soft cheese. How hard is it to force some vitamins into your kid? We were raised by a single parent, and somehow she still managed to make us take a multi-vitamin. I can't get over the fact that there are people who would never dream of missing an oil change on their car who can't see to it that their kid gets a vitamin supplement every day.

  56. I'm an old games fan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    we are old games fans
    before xbox and wii were brands
    and our legs aren't bowed
    and our faces have tans

    it has something to do with having to walk barefoot 3 miles in the snow to school i understands

  57. So, why'd they have it back then, then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Was it due to all their 'industriousness'?

  58. Complete and utter bullshit. by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Rickets is caused by eating trash. Over generations. From being a baby (artificial milk) to growing old.

    With what we eat, it’s a wonder, and proof of the robustness of nature, that we can still reproduce and survive!

    I’ll make the following statement: >90% of what we eat nowadays, can’t be classified as “food” anymore.
    Much less as species-appropriate.

    It’s already known, that most so-called “age-related” diseases actually are coming with age, not because of age. Like hair loss, bad sight, blood pressure, multiple bone diseases, etc, etc, etc.
    And by “known”, I mean studies over 30 years, with more than 30,000 patients.
    (Most studies, which always go maybe a couple of years, can’t find anything because it’t a very long-term effect.)

    So I blame bad food, until proven otherwise.

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    1. Re:Complete and utter bullshit. by brkello · · Score: 1

      Sure, if you ignore the fact that humans are living longer now than in any other point in history.

      You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

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