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Japanese Researchers Develop World's Fastest Book Scanner

An anonymous reader writes "IEEE Spectrum reports that Tokyo University researchers have developed a superfast book scanner that uses lasers and a high-speed camera to achieve a capture rate of 200 pages per minute. You just quickly flip the book pages in front of the system and it digitizes the pages, building a 3D model of each and reconstructing it as a normal flat page. The prototype is large and bulky, but if this thing could be made smaller, one day we could scan a book or magazine in seconds using a smartphone." The article mentions Google's similar dewarping system; the difference here is speed.

138 comments

  1. Did someone say lasers? by davidwr · · Score: 3, Funny

    Does it come with a shark-mount?

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    1. Re:Did someone say lasers? by Pojut · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's an add-on, Sir. But if you act today and bump up to the "Premium" model, it comes WITH the shark-mount. Buy our "Ultimate" model, and it even comes with the frikkin' sharks!

    2. Re:Did someone say lasers? by kandela · · Score: 4, Funny

      Forget the shark-mount. I have to turn my own pages!?

      Oh well, I guess I'll just stick to buying books that are advertised as page turners.

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    3. Re:Did someone say lasers? by TubeSteak · · Score: 3, Funny

      Does it come with a shark-mount?

      Warning: Do not look at shark with remaining eye.

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    4. Re:Did someone say lasers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi I are Japan. I are readin my books with lazors, ROR!

    5. Re:Did someone say lasers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no, but it's so fast it goes mudamudamudamudamudamudamudamudamudamuda *BOOM* ZA WARUDO!

    6. Re:Did someone say lasers? by dudpixel · · Score: 1

      from the summary: "to achieve a capture rate of 200 pages per minute. You just quickly flip the book pages in front of the system and it digitizes the pages..."

      whoa...how useful is the ability to capture 200 pages per minute if you have to turn the pages yourself?

      I realise that works out to 1 physical page turn every half a second - but how long can you keep that up for? and you have to do that for the entire book?

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    7. Re:Did someone say lasers? by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      Are you mad? Do you really want Sharks reading?

      "Oh, so THAT'S how an A-Bomb works..."

    8. Re:Did someone say lasers? by asaz989 · · Score: 1

      They only solve the easy problems. Automatic page turning they leave to some mechanical engineer (poor sods).

  2. why make it smaller? by Michael+Kristopeit · · Score: 2, Insightful

    we just need a few at libraries to digitize everything for everyone... no need to make it any smaller.

    1. Re:why make it smaller? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      Good luck with that one. The writers unions will be all over that.

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    2. Re:why make it smaller? by LtGordon · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Good luck with that one. The copyright owners will be all over that.

      Fixed that for you.

    3. Re:why make it smaller? by Michael+Kristopeit · · Score: 1
      you don't think the copyright owners would be all over a smaller solution that would allow someone to go through a newstand and copy every current issue of every magazine? libraries are usually at least an issue behind, and don't stock every magazine available at newstands.... well... last time i was in a library that's how it worked... i don't find much use for them anymore.

      a service like the one i described could give libraries new life and purpose.

  3. Copyright by Logical+Zebra · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Oh, my, isn't this going to be a huge copyright scandal in a few years? I could walk into Borders, scan a few books onto my iPhone, and walk right out without paying.

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    1. Re:Copyright by bb5ch39t · · Score: 4, Funny

      You're absolutely correct! The researchers need to immediately be jailed for contributing to copyright violations. Scientists! They never think about how their inventions will impact our Corporate Overlords.

    2. Re:Copyright by Darkness404 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I know! Can you believe that even now you can go into Borders or Barnes and Nobel and -read- an entire book! And guess what? The employees there think its perfectly natural! There was a man there who said he had spent -3- hours just reading a book and drinking coffee! Talk about outrageous!

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    3. Re:Copyright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Industrial revolutionaries need to be jailed for impacting our royal overlords.

    4. Re:Copyright by gwern · · Score: 1

      Isn't it outrageous? I mean, one could also buy a few books, scan them at leisure and return them!

    5. Re:Copyright by Vasheron · · Score: 1

      You will not be scanning books with an iPhone... at least not with this technique. This system uses structured light to deduce the curvature of the page, which requires a synchronized and calibrated camera/projector system - i.e. very specialized hardware and not something likely to show up on a piece of consumer electronics.

    6. Re:Copyright by Wovel · · Score: 1

      Obviously you missed the technological leap created in the summary :)

    7. Re:Copyright by knarf · · Score: 1

      scan a few books onto my iPhone

      Strange the way people seem to make the same typo. The i is rather close to the p but not next to it, so why do so many people put a 'i' in front of the word 'phone'? The summary did not mention any specific phone, just that this technology might be shrunk to fit in a phone.

      Don't be an iTool or iDroid! Use normal words! A phone is a phone and does not need a vowel prepended to become viable. If this scanner technology ever comes to fruition the Apple-branded version of it would most likely be hobbled by some agreement with content publishers so it could not be used to 'walk into Borders, scan a few books' as it would check some embedded watermark and refuse to scan more than 1 page.

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    8. Re:Copyright by Logical+Zebra · · Score: 1

      RTFA. It specifically says "iPhone."

      The system is currently a prototype that occupies an entire lab bench. But in the future, they hope to simplify and miniaturize it for integration into portable devices like a smartphone. So one day you might be able to flip the pages of a book in front of your iPhone and get a digitized version in seconds.

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    9. Re:Copyright by Vasheron · · Score: 1

      Indeed... Did you see the lens on the prototype? Good luck fitting that on a smartphone =P

  4. Prior Art. by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Johnny 5: Alive!

    1. Re:Prior Art. by necro81 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Damn! I had mod points this morning.

    2. Re:Prior Art. by Hurricane78 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Need input! Input, input, input!

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    3. Re:Prior Art. by bughunter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Does no one here read Vernor Vinge?

      (Spoilerish bit follows. Only a spoiler for the worst of purists, but they have been warned.)

      Rainbow's End has an act where an virtual book cartel deploys a giant vacuum/shredder/optical scanner to the UCSD Geisel Library. It sucks in books a shelf at a time, feeds them thru a wood chipper, and the shreds pass thru a tunnel lined with optical scanners. A photo is taken of each bit, and software reconstructs the books.

      Needless to say, this idea displeases many people, and the climax of the novel takes place as the bibliovorous machine threatens the library.

      (End spoilerish bit.)

      Rainbow's End should be on Slashdot's list of top 10 reads. I'm surprised it hasn't spawned a half dozen cliches here, e.g., belief circles and Scooch-a-mouts.

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  5. High Speed Camera by bhima · · Score: 2, Informative

    The project uses a high speed camera... so if a camera from a handy is going to be used, they are going to have to get a lot better.

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    1. Re:High Speed Camera by rolfwind · · Score: 1

      The project uses a high speed camera... so if a camera from a handy is going to be used, they are going to have to get a lot better.

      I assume you could use a regular camera and just get more regular rates of speed, but without breaking the spine which is pretty much the point of the lasers.

      Or for speed, take the binding/glue off, and use a Fujistu Scansnap. 50 pages per minute IIRC.

    2. Re:High Speed Camera by Hurricane78 · · Score: 4, Informative

      By the way: “handy” is not used as a term for a mobile phone aka cell phone in the English language.
      I know it’s used in Germany, and people from there are prone to mess it up, because it’s a foreign English word in the German language.

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    3. Re:High Speed Camera by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 1

      The project uses a high speed camera... so if a camera from a handy is going to be used, they are going to have to get a lot better.

      Just throw it faster!

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    4. Re:High Speed Camera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I figured it had something to do with the handycam

    5. Re:High Speed Camera by oljanx · · Score: 1

      I'm glad I wasn't the only dirty-minded person who read "a handy" and immediately thought of something very much unlike a cellphone. Or was I?

    6. Re:High Speed Camera by moonbender · · Score: 1

      It's a particularly convenient false friend because the "alternatives" are regionalisms (ie either AE or BE) and much longer because phone is tacked onto them or, in their short forms, colloquial and have even stronger associations with one region. Of course, these days you can often get away with simply using phone by itself.

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  6. Faster method by vlm · · Score: 3, Informative

    Faster method:

    Cut the spine of the book off with a bandsaw with a metal cutting blade (finer pitch teeth than typical wood blade)

    Run thru sheet feeder scanner twice, once for each side.

    A bit of scripting hackery later, one fresh PDF! Or .djvu, or whatever.

    For those of us brought up that its sacrilegious to damage a book, realize that many books were printed on acid paper; yellowing, decaying, brittle, and will soon be dust regardless of what you do, so may as well preserve the content and properly recycle the pulp.

    The bandsaw trick also works on magazines, you know, the things we used to read before websites.

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    1. Re:Faster method by sribe · · Score: 5, Informative

      How the heck did this get scored insightful??? Seriously?

      First, there are guillotine-style shears for cutting bindings off books that do no damage at all to the pages. Second, nearly all the high-speed sheet-fed document scanners out there are duplex scanners. In the case where the owner is willing to cut the binding off the book, there are well-known equipment and well-established techniques that do not involve rubes with bandsaws and script hackery.

    2. Re:Faster method by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      Cut the spine of the book off with a bandsaw with a metal cutting blade (finer pitch teeth than typical wood blade)

      Note to self .. remember not to use Vim's method on priceless, one off books that are irreplaceable.

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    3. Re:Faster method by mini+me · · Score: 1

      Why not use a dual-sided scanner?

    4. Re:Faster method by necro81 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Cutting the spine off a book you already own may or may not be sacrilege. But doing that to your friend's book might strain your relationship.

      The employees at Borders were not amused when I wheeled my band saw in. They demanded that I pay for the book I'd just sawed up and scanned. I told them "I'm certainly not paying money for that book now, look how ruined it is! Besides, I already have a copy," as I waved my thumb drive in their face.

    5. Re:Faster method by vlm · · Score: 1

      Note to self .. remember not to use Vim's method on priceless, one off books that are irreplaceable.

      You, uh, might have missed the rest of the post:

      For those of us brought up that its sacrilegious to damage a book, realize that many books were printed on acid paper; yellowing, decaying, brittle, and will soon be dust regardless of what you do, so may as well preserve the content and properly recycle the pulp.

      I own DEC technical manuals from the 70s that are going in the trash within a decade at most. A decade ago, painfully yellowed. Today, turn a page and it snaps off. Thankfully, someone else did the bandsaw and scanner thing some time ago, so I can still read a .PDF of the same manual.

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    6. Re:Faster method by vlm · · Score: 2, Funny

      The employees at Borders were not amused when I wheeled my band saw in. They demanded that I pay for the book I'd just sawed up and scanned. I told them "I'm certainly not paying money for that book now, look how ruined it is! Besides, I already have a copy," as I waved my thumb drive in their face.

      Someone with real balls would have asked for a cash refund. "Clearly my copy of the book is faulty, can I get cash refund, or just instore credit?"

      (just kidding)

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    7. Re:Faster method by clone53421 · · Score: 0

      Not for a book you hadn’t paid for in the first place...

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    8. Re:Faster method by vlm · · Score: 5, Interesting

      First, there are guillotine-style shears for cutting bindings off books that do no damage at all to the pages.

      My bandsaw does no damage to the pages either. Clearly you haven't tried this. It worked for me, but I'm a small timer compared to the guys at bitsavers.org. They claim it works on an EXTREMELY large scale. I "saw" an ad for a paper shear (usually used for binding, and sorry for the pun). The shear was about 10 times the cost of my little tabletop bandsaw. If the market has changed and you can now buy a shear for the cost of a good steak dinner, well, I guess I'm out of date then. But even then, I needed a bandsaw for other purposes, and if its dual use, all the better, and I'd not be amused at buying, storing, maintaining, and evnetually disposing of two tools to do a job that one does perfectly well.

      Second, nearly all the high-speed sheet-fed document scanners out there are duplex scanners.

      New, maybe. Not in the olden times aka longer ago than yesterday. Maybe the new ones even duplex properly with paper other than standard 8.5x11 laser paper, and don't just jam on the cut edge. Maybe the new ones don't duplex at a speed about 4 times slower than non-duplex. You're the expert, I'm merely a guy who's actually done it.

      I'm only saying what worked with what I had, and what I know other people have successfully done in the past, I'm not just some dude quoting specs out of a tiger direct catalog with an infinite budget for brand new gadgets.

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    9. Re:Faster method by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      You, uh, might have missed the rest of the post:

      Ahh .. you might have missed the "humor". And I wouldn't exactly call a DEC manual priceless, one-off or irreplaceable.

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    10. Re:Faster method by sribe · · Score: 1

      New, maybe. Not in the olden times aka longer ago than yesterday.

      It's been the case for at least 10 years.

      Maybe the new ones even duplex properly with paper other than standard 8.5x11 laser paper, and don't just jam on the cut edge.

      As do the older ones.

      Maybe the new ones don't duplex at a speed about 4 times slower than non-duplex.

      Same speed duplex as single-sided. I do have to admit that I don't know how long that's been common.

      You're the expert, I'm merely a guy who's actually done it.

      Well, thanks for the compliment, but I am also a guy who's actually done a lot of scanning, with several different models spanning a fairly wide range of costs & speeds.

      I'm only saying what worked with what I had, and what I know other people have successfully done in the past, I'm not just some dude quoting specs out of a tiger direct catalog with an infinite budget for brand new gadgets.

      So, who is this mythical dude quoting specs out of a catalog? Must be what some people call a "straw man", because it sure as heck isn't me.

    11. Re:Faster method by Antony+T+Curtis · · Score: 1

      AFAIK, what you described isn't too far off the technique used by Google to scan non-valuable material.

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    12. Re:Faster method by sribe · · Score: 1

      One more thing:

      My bandsaw does no damage to the pages either.

      ...jam on the cut edge.

      So, perfect smooth cut edge? Or not?

    13. Re:Faster method by Stormalong · · Score: 1

      Proprietor: Why don't you try W. H. Smith's?
      Customer: I did, they sent me here.
      Proprietor: DID they.

    14. Re:Faster method by vlm · · Score: 1

      Damage as in think of how the bottom of a piece of plywood looks after you cut it, chips yanked off the edge. Tensile strength of paper is pretty high... with fine tooth blade and a cardboard backer board the pages are not torn, wrinkled, ripped thru the saw, etc. One sneaky way to prevent damage to the cover/last pages of a book you want, is to use a magazine/catalog/cardboard box or whatever as a backer board underneath the book you want to cut.

      The bandsaw edge is, however, much more frizzy than the sheared edges, and could theoretically jam much better, although it works for me, well enough.

      Really, you should try a bandsaw. Its super cheap and works well enough. It is also extremely fast, at least compared to the scanning time. You don't have to sacrifice a one of a kind first edition to try it, just saw last months catalog in half. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised, despite sounding super pessimistic about it. There is some learned technique to it, and it takes maybe a dozen catalogs to get the blade set up right, and make a perfectly straight cut.

      Fair enough dude, I'll try a shear some time, since you claim it works so well. If its anything like my old high school sheet metal shear, I'd worry about losing fingers in it, but I'll be careful so I think it will be OK...

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    15. Re:Faster method by vlm · · Score: 1

      And I wouldn't exactly call a DEC manual priceless, one-off or irreplaceable.

      Not in the 70s, no. But now, they are more or less "irreplaceable" in one sense, just like any other out of print book. As far as priceless, assuming its not so rare it never, ever hits ebay, I guess it had a recent "price", sort of.

      Since DEC enjoyed using acid based paper which is literally rotting away, a 60s/70s era DEC manual will very soon be literally priceless, one-off, and irreplaceable.

      Hopefully someone scanned it...

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    16. Re:Faster method by ArundelCastle · · Score: 1

      For those of us brought up that its sacrilegious to damage a book, realize that many books were printed on acid paper; yellowing, decaying, brittle, and will soon be dust regardless of what you do, so may as well preserve the content and properly recycle the pulp.

      Ah, the Tim Taylor method. Any ideas for how to do the same thing with books that are 100-600 years old without causing damage?
      That's kinda my field, so pardon me if I prefer we correspond via e-mail instead of putting you within 50 feet of our illuminated manuscripts. ;-)

    17. Re:Faster method by pydev · · Score: 1

      First, there are guillotine-style shears for cutting bindings off books that do no damage at all to the pages.

      Yes, but they are very expensive.

      there are well-known equipment and well-established techniques that do not involve rubes with bandsaws and script hackery.

      Why don't you do something useful and put together a HOWTO?

    18. Re:Faster method by Mista2 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I just place my kindle on my scanner, hit scan, then next page. Rinse and repeat. 10 minutes later I have the book ripped. Then a little OCR work converts to text. this still takes a little time though as I'd have to proof read afterwards as well. Once I've done a few, I'll look at finding out how to re encode as a .mobi file.

    19. Re:Faster method by Chirs · · Score: 1

      You can get wavy (as opposed to toothed) bandsaw blades that might give a nice smooth cut for paper. They're designed for foam, I think.

    20. Re:Faster method by sribe · · Score: 1

      Why don't you do something useful and put together a HOWTO?

      Here you go: step 1) buy duplex document scanner; step 2) scan.

    21. Re:Faster method by sribe · · Score: 1

      Fair enough dude, I'll try a shear some time, since you claim it works so well. If its anything like my old high school sheet metal shear, I'd worry about losing fingers in it, but I'll be careful so I think it will be OK...

      I've never used one; I've only stood by and watched someone else use one. Dude, the thing could take your arm off in the blink of an eye. (And you'd definitely want to blink, considering the blood spatter...)

      If you're not scanning massive quantities of books (which is what the article is about), then a bandsaw is probably a darn fine hack to get covers off books. If you're doing a library, the difference between a split second per book and a few seconds per book, plus the smoother edge, would be worth it I'm certain.

      I do think though that you haven't used or seen a decent duplex scanner made within the last decade. An actual duplex sheet-fed scanner--those "sheet feed" attachments that attach to the top of flatbed scanners are just awful. Slow (especially for duplex), sloppy, prone to jams and misfeeds, ugh.

    22. Re:Faster method by pydev · · Score: 1

      Are really that dumb? You recommended guillotine-style shears, but they are expensive, heavy, and big. So, what is your alternative?

      And if you think book scanning is as simple as "step 1) buy duplex document scanner; step 2) scan" your really ignorant.

    23. Re:Faster method by sribe · · Score: 1

      Are really that dumb? You recommended guillotine-style shears, but they are expensive, heavy, and big. So, what is your alternative?

      No alternative. My HOWTO is that if you have a large quantity of books to scan, and you can remove the bindings, then you buy the appropriate equipment to do so.

      And if you think book scanning is as simple as "step 1) buy duplex document scanner; step 2) scan" your really ignorant.

      Well, once the binding is off, assuming clean edges, then yes it is just that easy.

    24. Re:Faster method by pydev · · Score: 1

      You said:

      there are well-known equipment and well-established techniques that do not involve rubes with bandsaws and script hackery.

      But you keep saying nothing about how to remove the binding, other than recommending that people buy an overpriced and completely unwieldy guillotine (which, incidentally, also doesn't just work). What cheaper methods are there? Is a bandsaw OK or should it be a circular saw? Does a scroll saw work? How do you fix the book? How do you avoid having the pages become jagged?

      Well, once the binding is off, assuming clean edges, then yes it is just that easy.

      No, it is not. Pages get stuck and ripped, paper piles up, scanners misfeed, etc. You need to worry about rescanning, cleaning, and a lot of other things. Scanning books is tough even with a duplex sheetfed scanner. And I have yet to find an affordable (then you buy the appropriate equipment to do so.

      Every scanner has its own tricky issues, and so does the scanning software. Buying the "appropriate equipment" doesn't make those issues go away. A $20000 scanner lets you scan a lot faster than a $50 scanner, but you'll probably actually have a harder time getting it to work.

      In summary: you don't know what you're talking about, and you would do well to just keep quiet and don't give people lousy advice.

    25. Re:Faster method by sribe · · Score: 1

      A $20000 scanner lets you scan a lot faster than a $50 scanner, but you'll probably actually have a harder time getting it to work.

      No, you won't. It will have vastly superior paper handling compared to the $50 scanner.

      In summary: you don't know what you're talking about, and you would do well to just keep quiet and don't give people lousy advice.

      I have experience in the area, and know first-hand that an appropriate scanner does make the scanning part very easy. Your last two posts make it clear that you've got no experience with production-level document scanners. Perhaps you should stop denigrating the advice of someone who's worked on projects scanning millions of pages (some portion of which were old and in lousy condition).

    26. Re:Faster method by pydev · · Score: 1

      Your last two posts make it clear that you've got no experience with production-level document scanners. [...] an appropriate scanner does make the scanning part very easy

      That is preposterous. There are so many exceptions when scanning books (stuck pages, brittle pages, bad cuts, foldouts, torn pages, dog-ears, gum, double-feeds, failure of double-feed detection, sticky notes, napkins, and tons of others) that scanning is never "very easy", even if scanners were perfect. But scanners aren't perfect: they gum up, they get dirty, their rollers start slipping, etc.

      I have experience in the area

      You may have used a new, big and expensive scanner for scanning stacks of clean, neatly cut paper. That makes it appear easy, but it has little to do with real-world book scanning.

      And it certainly doesn't have anything to do with the kind of low-cost book scanning that this thread is about.

      Sorry to have to say it again: you're naive, and you don't know what you're talking about.

  7. Here we go... by trurl7 · · Score: 4, Funny

    1) Yes, but does it run Linux....
    2) Imagine a beowulf cluster of these...
    3) I can't understand 200 pages/minute, what's that in LOC/furlough?
    4) I can't read you insensitive clod.
    5) In Soviet Russia, the book scans the book scanner...wait that's not quite right...ah, got it, ... the book scans you!
    6.1) Scan books real fast
    6.2) Tie into massive database that indexes every perceivable medium on the planet
    6.3) Get sued by publishers.
    6.4) ....
    6.5) Profit!!
    7) How fast can it build a 3d model of Natalie Portman with hot gritz?
    8) The CIA will use this to scan every page of the manuscripts you've stored in your apartment and will come for your tin foil.
    9) Netcraft confirms: reading is dying...
    10) A book scanner is like a car that drives really fast over a highway full of book pages...

    Someone needs to fix the above list for me.

    1. Re:Here we go... by vlm · · Score: 1

      2) Imagine a beowulf cluster of these...

      That would be a "library". A dynamically linked library, I suppose, since multiple people can borrow/read the same book.

      11) If I read something on a LCD, my eyes hurt. And, I refuse to see an optometrist, instead the world has to bend their display technology to my will, ADA style.

      12) If I compare, side by side, an expensive ebook reader with a cheap one, the expensive one always subjectively seems to look better. Surprisingly, works for audiophile stuff too. I'm waiting for an ebook reader with those "clean crisp vacuum tube ... pages" and conveniently I have a stack of old CRT monitors that will sell for big gold to future discerning bibliophiles. Either that or I can finally unload my stash of green CD-markers.

      13) I have a new interpretation of quantum mechanics, where a light photon continues to have an energy, but now it has an internal state that knows if it was reflected or transmitted, and the eyes also have a quantum mechanical sensor that can discern the two internal states, and that eye sensor interprets transmitted photons as a pain sense. Where as the reflected photons are interpreted in the eye as an opiate stimulator. Hence reflected screens/paper is perfection and transmitted light from backlighted displays is equivalent to waterboarding.

      14) And last but not least, I only read books while taking a shower in a bathtub, in full direct sunlight, and until an ebook reader can handle that environment I will not buy it. Unless Apple makes it. Well, just kidding about that last part, I think?

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    2. Re:Here we go... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3) I can't understand 200 pages/minute, what's that in LOC/furlough?

      [...]

      Someone needs to fix the above list for me.

      3) I can't understand 200 pages/minute, what's that in LOC/fortnight?

    3. Re:Here we go... by Garble+Snarky · · Score: 1

      I don't really care much either way about LCD vs e-ink, but in a real-life environment, there is an effective difference between reflected and transmitted photons. The brightness of the screen can be drastically different than the surrounding environment with a backlit screen, with e-ink that is generally not the case. Don't optometrists recommend not using a bright monitor in a dark room? Presumably you want the display to be fairly well matched to the background. E-ink allows that, and LCDs don't.

      I have almost no interest in ereaders, one way or the other... I'm just sayin'.

    4. Re:Here we go... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but will it blend?

    5. Re:Here we go... by vlm · · Score: 1

      in a real-life environment, there is an effective difference between reflected and transmitted photons.

      Show me the physics... other than light polarization weakly depending on reflection. But human eyes have an extremely weak response to polarization.

      The brightness of the screen can be drastically different than the surrounding environment with a backlit screen

      Then it looks terrible until you adjust brightness/contrast. Which my ipod touch tries to do automatically, albeit very poorly. I think TVs have been available with auto-brightness adjustment since I owned one with that feature in the late 70s.

      Don't optometrists recommend not using a bright monitor in a dark room?

      Bright room equals tiny pupil diameter equals wide depth of field. And vice versa. If you're borderline near or far sighted, high light levels more or less cure it by shrinking the pupil.

      E-ink allows that, and LCDs don't.

      I've only seen two LCD screens without contrast and brightness settings on wristwatches and the worlds junkiest clock radio.

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  8. Rainbows End? by snikulin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Now if they also will learn to shred the books in the process and sell the technology to Google, then I will really respect Vernor Vinge's insight (Rainbows End)

  9. This is Masatoshi Ishikawa by AdmiralXyz · · Score: 4, Informative

    This guy has produced some really fascinating work, I strongly recommend checking out some more of it if you have some free time. The high-speed robot hand he developed literally made my jaw drop.

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    1. Re:This is Masatoshi Ishikawa by thewils · · Score: 1

      Sheesh - eventually one of these things will whip your appendix out faster than you can fill out a consent form.

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    2. Re:This is Masatoshi Ishikawa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      High-speed robot hand... from Japan.

      No comment.

    3. Re:This is Masatoshi Ishikawa by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Sure, the robot hand is great, but I suggest you try it out on a hotdog first, before you go straight to the main reason every slashdotter needs a robot hand...

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    4. Re:This is Masatoshi Ishikawa by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      Why would you not believe that his jaw dropped.

      It is a common physical reaction to seeing something the person finds amazing.

    5. Re:This is Masatoshi Ishikawa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty damn arrogant, that robotic hand. Look, it's dribbling a ball *and* giving us the finger at the same time.

    6. Re:This is Masatoshi Ishikawa by kirill.s · · Score: 1

      If they mount that hand on BigDog, we'd all have a pretty cool robotic overlord to welcome.

  10. Re:Yay for chinks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Moron. This was Japan.

    Some idiots can't even troll properly.

  11. Smartphone Book Scanner? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never going to happen unless you're scanning some tiny matchbook sized books. Half the problem is turning the pages quickly and reliably. Any handheld will be limited by your own mortal finger speed. Besides, once one person scans a book and makes it freely available, it will be easier for you to get their copy instead of scanning your own.

  12. The bad news by RJCantrell · · Score: 1

    is that it can only scan child-porn manga.

  13. A de-warping system? by Mantis8 · · Score: 1

    Mr. Sulu would not be pleased...

    1. Re:A de-warping system? by __aasqbs9791 · · Score: 1

      Only a Starship made by Toyota not have a de-warping system of some kind.

    2. Re:A de-warping system? by __aasqbs9791 · · Score: 1

      I accidentally the whole thing somewhere there. /getting my eyes checked

  14. What It Will Be Used For by MrTripps · · Score: 1

    "Watanabe told me he was particularly interested in scanning manga comics" Why does cool Japanese tech always end up back at tentacle rape?

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  15. And Scotty by Mantis8 · · Score: 1

    is soooooo relieved...his warp engines really need a rest from Captain kirk's demands in galactic emergencies...

  16. difference is resolution, actually by tmbdev · · Score: 1

    The article mentions Google's similar dewarping system; the difference here is speed.

    There is nothing preventing Google from pushing high speed video through their book software. In fact, they could probably do that with very little work, since you can use an off-the-shelf high speed video recorder and then just push the frames through the regular processing pipeline.

    The reason they don't (and nobody else does) is because it's not useful. For getting acceptable quality from book scanning, you need upwards of 10 Mpixels to get anything decent. Even if you had a 10 Mpixel high speed camera, you still need some control over lighting and camera/book angles for decent results.

  17. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Two words: shrink wrap.

    Mind, considering that browsing at least the first couple of pages (or more, for non-fiction) is often essential to the sale, that may have an adverse impact. (Especially when you consider the added cost - not much per book but it adds up.)

  18. Bad summary by LtGordon · · Score: 1

    The prototype is large and bulky, but if this thing could be made smaller, one day we could scan a book or magazine in seconds using a smartphone.

    You lost me here. How exactly do I scan an entire book or magazine in seconds using only a smartphone. Somehow I imagine this technology is slightly more than software, unless cameras start coming with super-fast automated page turners attached.

    1. Re:Bad summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You did watch the linked video showing that the "super fast automated page turner" was actually a dude holding the book and flipping the pages by hand, right?

      No, you didn't?

  19. Bender did it first by slimjim8094 · · Score: 2, Informative

    There was an episode of Futurama where Bender is captaining the ship, and Fry asks him if he's read the manual. Bender flips through the several-hundred-page book in about a half second and proclaims "Done", then proceeds to quote it.

    It always seemed like a plausible thing to me. Isn't that what they're doing here?

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    1. Re:Bender did it first by slimjim8094 · · Score: 1

      FYI the episode is "Birdbot of Ice-Catraz" about 4 minutes in.

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    2. Re:Bender did it first by RobVB · · Score: 1

      You'd have to be pretty good at flipping pages. Some of them always stick together, and I'd hate to be in a space ship where the Captain is a robot who "read" the manual but skipped the page about turning on the life support systems.

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    3. Re:Bender did it first by ionix5891 · · Score: 1

      oh noez "prior art"

    4. Re:Bender did it first by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      You do realize fictional cartoon characters don't really count as "prior art", don't you?

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    5. Re:Bender did it first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why, aren't they as a real tangible things as a patent ?

    6. Re:Bender did it first by BetterSense · · Score: 1

      Superman did it once too, in one of the movies or TV episodes.

    7. Re:Bender did it first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When quick-reading you first drop the irrelevant parts of the text you read.

  20. Deja-vu by imakemusic · · Score: 1

    There was a similar post in december last year. Main difference seems to be speed. That did 400 pages in 20 minutes, this new one does 200 in 1 minute.

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  21. And we'll all fly around on jetpacks ... by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

    one day we could scan a book or magazine in seconds using a smartphone

    ... I guess this claim was made because we all know that soon smartphones will all have lasers and high speed cameras.

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    1. Re:And we'll all fly around on jetpacks ... by Lloyd_Bryant · · Score: 1

      one day we could scan a book or magazine in seconds using a smartphone

      ... I guess this claim was made because we all know that soon smartphones will all have lasers and high speed cameras.

      .. which will be mounted on the heads of friggin' sharks, who will not only zap you, but save pictures of it for their scrapbooks.

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  22. Data did it earlier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Star Trek TNG episode "The Royale" Data reads the paperback novel "Hotel Royale" in seconds by flipping through it.

  23. fastest? by trb · · Score: 1

    I believe the narrator in the video says that the high speed camera is scanning 1000x1000 pixels, and the book he is scanning has very large type, with fewer than 20 text lines per page. I imagine that this scanner can't scan normal text as fast as the Google book scanner.

  24. I'm not impressed by Locke2005 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sure, it can scan 200 pages per minute... but I could swear I saw it's lips moving as it was reading!

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  25. Publishing industry will follow the music industry by hawguy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Technology like this will cause the publishing industry to go the way of the music and movie industries.

    Right now the publishing industry is where the music industry was 7 years ago. Multiple incompatible book formats, DRM that lets rights holders yank your paid content away from you, DRM/formats that leave you tied to specific vendor readers, etc.

    The barrier of scanning a book has made the publishing industry think that they don't need to provide books in a format that users want and feel that they can keep books locked down by DRM.

    Even if DRM succeeds in keeping e-books from being redistributed, scanning technology keeps moving forward. All it's going to take is some enterprising company to buy one of these scanners and become the "AllofMP3" of the book world -- selling e-books in open, non-DRM formats for $1/each and the publisher's business model will fail miserably and they'll try doing the same catch-up that the music industry is involved in in trying to give users a reasonably priced legal product that can compete with the cheap illegal copies.

    it won't even take new scanning technology for this to happen -- a scanning "peer-to-peer" service can be formed where thousands of subscribers are asked to scan and proofread a single page from new releases, which are them compiled into a central database to form a complete scanned book archive.

    Whether they like it or not, the book industry is going to be forced into open, interoperable standards for books, and lower prices that consumers have come to expect from industries where nearly all of the manufacturing and distribution costs have been eliminated by electronic distribution.

  26. Why are we scanning books by pclminion · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why the fuck are we scanning books? Isn't there, you know, a DIGITAL REPRESENTATION which is used during typesetting? This reminds me of that crazy story of the person who printed out a spreadsheet, scanned it in, printed out the scan, laid it on a wooden table, took a digital picture of it, then uploaded it to his web site (or something like that).

    1. Re:Why are we scanning books by hawguy · · Score: 3, Informative

      There are many (most?) books published before computer aided writing and typesetting became the norm. Even for many books that were published electronically, the electronic files used to create the books may not exist or may be unreadable due to poor archiving, publisher is out of business, hard to parse proprietary file formats, archaic hardware (cobbling together a punched tape reader from the 70's might be harder and more trouble-prone than just scanning the book), etc.

      And then there are the non-technical issues like when publishers don't really want to cooperate (i.e. Google Books).

    2. Re:Why are we scanning books by ajrs · · Score: 1

      yeah, there was nothing of interest that was ever published without a DIGITAL REPRESENTATION.

      I don't see what the big fuss about Gutenberg is. Even the ancient Babylonians were using lasers to print on their clay tablets.

    3. Re:Why are we scanning books by pclminion · · Score: 1

      Obviously, books printed before the digital era are not available in digital form. Duh. But I don't understand -- you want to take a very old, presumably fragile book, and run it through a 200-page-per-minute scanner? The only books I'd feel comfortable doing that to are books where the value is mostly in the words, not the paper they are printed on -- and for the most part, those are recently published books where a digital representation is available.

      I'm not discounting the value of scanning old books. But be careful with them, ok? Jeez.

    4. Re:Why are we scanning books by hawguy · · Score: 2, Informative

      There were around 400,000 books published in the 70's alone reference. Most of these books are not rare, nor would they be fragile enough to be significantly damaged by a high speed scanner. And I'd be willing to bet that most of them do not have electronic publishing files.

      Some high speed scanners (like Google's) are designed to cause no more harm to a book than a person reading it.

    5. Re:Why are we scanning books by Linuxmonger · · Score: 1

      Because typesetting hasn't been digital for very long in any real sense. I know companies that still maintain and use hot lead presses to do printing.
      I've worked in the printing industry for almost twenty years, seen the revolution, thought it would have been over by now but it isn't.

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    6. Re:Why are we scanning books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because believe it or not there is content produced before 1990 that still has utility; particularly once reproduction, shipping, and storage costs are diminished to almost nothing.

    7. Re:Why are we scanning books by Radio_active_cgb · · Score: 1

      Sometimes, all you have access to is a printed document.

      Sure, the source files would be nice, but the publishers are not likely to release them. More likely, they never existed.

  27. Google Patents? by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    I believe that Google owns the patents on this approach.

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  28. Amanda Seyfried/Julianne Moore love scene? Check! by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    The fastest non-destructive book scanner.

    The fastest are ones where you chop off the binding, run the pages through an industrial scanning machine, and dump the blob off into modern character recognition software.

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  29. Re:Amanda Seyfried/Julianne Moore love scene? Chec by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    To put it in perspective, you'll need over 5000 years to process all 7 million books in the U-Mich library using one of these, or one year with over 5000 such machines, round the clock.

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  30. Now the question is by Kanasta · · Score: 1

    how long it takes for the authors guild or whatever they're called to brand this as a purely copyright infringement machine.

  31. This begs a deeper question by zappepcs · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When established industries become prey for new technology, why do they resist and ask for protection? This is a fundamental question of society. We protect indigenous peoples. We have copyright and patents. We do much to preserve the old along with the new - backwards compatibility. Why do we not simply tell such industries that it's time to change and support them through the change? Yes, I get the whole free market thing, but rather than fight them to force them to accept change, why don't we offer them ideas and methods to change their business model to match the change in consumer requirements?

    No, I'm not being trollish or suggesting stupidity. Why can't we crowd-source ideas for how these industries can recover from game changing technology? Must we wait for Jobs to tell us?

    It's just a question.

    1. Re:This begs a deeper question by sourcerror · · Score: 1

      "No, I'm not being trollish or suggesting stupidity."
      Indeed you do.

      Consumers have the right to choose. And sometimes sticking with older version of things is more cost effective. Do you always buy the latest version of MS Word?

    2. Re:This begs a deeper question by zappepcs · · Score: 1

      I buy no versions of MS Word. There is nothing innately wrong with suggesting crowd sourcing of ideas to allow businesses to move forward rather than stagnate and die. Consumers do choose, and there is nothing wrong with telling manufacturers what we are willing to pay for. They spend a lot of money trying to figure that out on their own. Not too many of them are successful at it.

    3. Re:This begs a deeper question by sourcerror · · Score: 1

      Backwards compatibility however is not something to be frown up.
      And you lumped a lot of different things together: patents, backwards compatibility and government subsidies/corporate welfare. These are huge topics in themselves, and I don't see each of them as harmful to competition (e.g. patents, and don't go into software patents, that's a whole different cup of tea).

    4. Re:This begs a deeper question by zappepcs · · Score: 1

      Yes, I lumped together things that protect commerce in general, in one fashion or another. My original query was regarding another less costly and disruptive method to protect commerce.

  32. time is of the essence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    last remaining copies of works disappear everyday. everything needs to be scanned in. it's pitiful that right now it's basically impossible to find a freely downloadable pdf of the public domain book "the compleat housewife" Eliza Smith 1727 or other such books.

  33. Large and Bulky? by number17 · · Score: 1

    I would not consider that a large and bulky scanner at all. Check out these scanners being used by Robarts Library in Toronto for the Internet Archive project: http://www.flickr.com/photos/15573112@N03/4252089363/in/set-72157623030966641/

  34. If expense is no object by bjs555 · · Score: 1

    Got a CAT scanner sitting around? Stick the book under it and image each page as a thin slice.

    I don't really know if this is technically feasible. How does ink react to xrays? How thin can a image slice be? How fast does a CAT scanner run? Maybe someone with CAT scanner knowledge can fill me in.

    1. Re:If expense is no object by russotto · · Score: 1

      A medical CT scanner lacks the resolution to scan a book, but there are CT scanners for other purposes which claim to have the resolution. However, I suspect most inks are essentially transparent to X-rays, so it wouldn't work.

  35. Smart Phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh yeah, we can use a smart phone... all it needs is... LASERS and... a high speed high res camera... I'm sure that 3MP camera with no flash you have on your phone will work out just fine... you just need to duct tape a laser pointer on there.

  36. Fujitsu ScanSnap S1500 Sheet-Fed Scanner by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1
    We have a Fujitsu ScanSnap S1500 Sheet-Fed Scanner. This is our experience with it.

    The good:
    1. It scans both the front and back of a page in 2 seconds, in one pass. If the back is blank, the back is ignored.
    2. It automatically feeds oddly sized pages intermixed with standard pages.
    3. The software supplied accurately OCRs the scanned pages and makes a searchable PDF file.
    4. It is possible to select words and sentences in the PDF file and copy them to the clipboard.
    5. It is very small. It doesn't take much desk space.

    The bad:

    1. It does not use TWAIN drivers. It uses proprietary drivers.
    2. It does not have a flat glass copying surface. Everything to be copied must be a thin sheet.
    3. The sheet feeder takes a maximum of maybe 50 pages.
    4. The supplied software is copy protected. If the sofware company decides to stop supporting the supplied version, it is possible to force additional payment. Or maybe force the purchase of new hardware. That is our understanding.
    5. The scanner cost us $400.
  37. Simpler Solution by 517714 · · Score: 1

    Get a really powerful computer. Write a program that simulates a billion monkeys typing on a billion typewriters ... Moore's law says this will soon be the cheaper method

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  38. pdftk by BetterSense · · Score: 1

    your script might be very simple if you use pdftk. It's a very powerful pdf merging and exploding program.

  39. Sometimes it doesn't have to be this difficult by uniquegeek · · Score: 1

    A few months ago I asked my city's transit if they would post pdfs of the schedules on the web page. They print route schedules/maps and provide them in malls, campuses, and larger public places all over the city. Online, they use Navigo trip planner, links to pdfs and gifs of route maps, and text links to the schedules. So obviously they have some graphic designer in a hole somewhere making this stuff, and probably with InDesign.
    Despite all the obvious cost in printed materials, and huge effort in the web site, apparently it's too much to ask to export & post a simple pdf of the indesign they used for the printed schedules. My options are to go through every route and print to pdf with their tables that print strangely, or scan the actual schedule (or carry them, but I really need to minimize the junk I carry with me). The other option is to use a data plan on a cell phone. However, this has not stopped them from offering a "hip" TXT service to relate to the youth of today. All I want to do is slap a copy on my desktop and laptop, and one on my Archos for good measure too.

    My friend who works at a University had the job of going through archives of "important material" and scanning it in. This "important material" had virtually all come to the email of the computer technical support... as in, they received it digitally, printed it, possibly deleted the email, but now want to scan and possibly OCR it.

    I'm breaking my back and backpack from trying to cram CCNA & MCSE books with a binder and a laptop with me. No, seriously, I had minor back problems, but now they are much worse.

    I used to work at a print shop where the teacher's society wanted to see if we could scan in the annual reports of the last ten years. They were printed in a green and purple tone with had pretty much the same colour value. They wanted small files (i.e. greyscale). They did not have copies of the indesign/coreldraw/whatever file.

    I understand the posted article has some merit with old books, but there are so many times I see at attempt to fix a problem that has solution in the first place. If something is created with a digital file, then use it, for crying out loud. It doesn't have to be this difficult.

    1. Re:Sometimes it doesn't have to be this difficult by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

      There was a previous post on slashdot (don't have link, just search for scanning books) about a guy who developed
      a scanner using 2 digital cameras, and a sort of cross diagonal flatbed to lay a book open at 45% and take pictures
      of both pages at once, and he used minimal mats, about 500$ worth. I am wondering how long before he patents it and makes them a fully functional book scanners, but I definitely hear your pain and feel the same about the programming books that are min 900 pages each!

  40. widely done, even when there is a digital version by BetterSense · · Score: 1

    I always assumed licensed, translated Japanese comics were made by acquiring the digital masters from the Japanese publishing companies and using staff translators, maybe even in collaboration with the original author. I was very wrong.

    Tokyopop, a large importer of Japanese comics, has a video explaining their technique. They have a contact in Japan purchase off-the-self tankobon (compiled volumes) and ship them to the states, where they microwave them to loosen the binding, and scan them in. Then they outsource the airbrushing out the text bubbles and the translation to generic hourly translators, and sell them on US bookshelves for whatever outrageous price they get. I literally thought it was a joke. It's hard to believe a company could have the gall to sell such a product as new. The image quality difference between licensed manga and the very same volume that I have directly imported from Japan is glaringly obvious and they use cheap shit paper too.

    Moral? Download fan scanslations. Like most pirated goods, not only are they free, they are better.

  41. Why in the world by ffflala · · Score: 1

    would anyone scan a magazine?

  42. Wow.... by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

    200 pages per minute, that would be like 3 minutes a book (big one). When these come out to the public, I want one!

  43. Re:widely done, even when there is a digital versi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or learn Japanese. It'll be fun.