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Best Buy Offers Bogus "3D Sync" Service

Token_Internet_Girl writes "Fewer than two weeks after Best Buy offered the first Full 3D HDTVs for sale in the US, its latest Sunday circular (3/21/10) promotes a Samsung 3D TV deal consisting of a 55" 3D TV, 3D capable Blu-ray player, 2 pairs of glasses, a Blu-ray movie and Geek Squad delivery and installation. The ad states the service includes TV and Blu-ray player set-up, connection to your wireless network and 'sync your 3D glasses for an amazing experience.' The package price lists the 'geek' services as a $150 value. The offer's only problem is that there is no such thing as syncing 3D glasses. They sync automatically." Here's Best Buy Corporate's response to this hilarity.

248 comments

  1. Poor choice of verb. by LostCluster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't think this was a deliberate attempt to defraud customers as much as it was a poor choice of verb. People use the term "sync" when it has nothing to do with synchronization. When you "sync" your smartphone you're not doing anything that relates to time, you're just copying data to be the same in both places. When you "sync" your Bluetooth headset, you're actually "pairing" it to tell it which phone it belongs to. When you press the "sync" button on your keyboard, you're actually "pairing" it again.

    While you don't need to set a clock on the 3D glasses, you do need to ensure that the glasses can see the IR emitter, with a clear path between the emitter and wherever the user will be sitting. That's the actual service they're offering as part of the larger setup package. I'm sure the advertising people will hear this brushback and correct future mentions of the service, but they're only technically wrong, and using words that better communicate to the people who would buy a Best Buy home install than the technically correct ones... even if technically correct is the best kind of correct.

    1. Re:Poor choice of verb. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      An intelligent, thoughtful reply on /.? Expect to get modded to hell. ;D

    2. Re:Poor choice of verb. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Erm, so you're saying that actually they're not doing anything wrong, because this is a legitimate service they're offering - i.e. charging $150 to tell people they need a clear view of the TV to use their glasses to... watch the TV. I'm pretty sure that people will already figure out they need to see the TV to watch it, 3D or not, is your post sponsored by BestBuy or are you hoping to cash in by offering a $99 service?

    3. Re:Poor choice of verb. by PsychoSlashDot · · Score: 4, Informative

      Agreed. There are plenty of instances where dumbing-down technical descriptions of what us technology-savvy folk are doing edges into falsehood. Sometimes to explain things to the uninformed you have to condense to the point of being easily misunderstood by others in-the-know.

      The consumer will interpret that "syncing" thing as "doing whatever techno-wizardry is necessary to make sure the purchased stuff Just Works (tm)". The technician will basically test for DOA, or make whatever minor adjustments (ie. take off the packing foam) are needed. Syncing. Good enough.

      No sign of intent to mislead or defraud. Alarmism.

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    4. Re:Poor choice of verb. by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Maybe, if this was an isolated incident with Best Buy. But a quick search on Best Buy, Geek Squad, and Ripoff will get quite a few hits. I'd love to give someone the benefit of the doubt, but this is a bit of a pattern with them.

      The margins on selling electronics are painfully thin (ask CircuitCity). Creating a misleading "oh but that's not how we meant it" as they sell low value for the money services is a common thread for electronics retailers.

    5. Re:Poor choice of verb. by twidarkling · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Syncronization doesn't simply mean making things have the same time. It also means to make things *happen* at the same time. In this case, I'd assumed their "syncing" service to be making sure your glasses are properly shuttering in "sync" with how the player is broadcasting. Something that should happen automatically, and apparently does. And since the glasses are tied to the TV, they're paired automatically as well. It's not a case of "incorrect verb," it's a case of "falsely reporting what the service offers."

      They don't need to pair the glasses, they don't need to make sure the glasses are operating at the correct timings. It's a rip off.

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    6. Re:Poor choice of verb. by 0racle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, I think it was a deliberate attempt to mislead. Best Buy already offers installation services on devices they sell, and by Best Buys response pretty much states that is exactly what this, just under a different name. 3d TV's are new, but TV's in general are not. Honestly any idiot can install a TV and home theater in a box and more people are realizing this and as such Best Buy is probably worrying that they are going to have a harder and harder time selling the essentially free money installation services. So they rename an existing service to make it sound like they are doing something special, that a trained professional is required for, that is essential for the enjoyment of the TV.

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    7. Re:Poor choice of verb. by Tumbleweed · · Score: 2, Funny

      An intelligent, thoughtful reply on /.? Expect to get modded to hell. ;D

      He's a witch! Burn him!!

    8. Re:Poor choice of verb. by BoppreH · · Score: 1, Informative

      Damn +5 limit.

      His reply is better than the FTA.

    9. Re:Poor choice of verb. by twidarkling · · Score: 4, Informative

      Finally got to read BB's response, and it sounds like a cover. They were full of shit, got called on it, and then decided to go whole-hog and cover their asses. I don't buy it. They already said "We'll set it up and make sure everything works," so they didn't need to mention "syncing" 3D glasses, and the differing responses from employees tells me they didn't fucking bother with any sort of training, or even an explanation.

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    10. Re:Poor choice of verb. by blindedbyvision · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Read the article not just the blurb....

      "HD Guru called three Best Buy stores. After confirming each employee received training on 3D TVs and installation services, we asked them to explain the process of “syncing” the 3D glasses. We received three different but oddly similar responses.

      Blue shirt one said the glasses need to be synced with the Blu-ray player. The second geek referred to the 3D glasses needing to sync to the player via the USB port within the glasses, an impossible feat as there is no USB port on the glasses. The third stated the need to acquire the glasses’ IP address to sync with the Blu-ray player. There is no IP address for 3D glasses; they have no connectivity to the Internet or network. The Samsung battery powered glasses “sync” to the 3D content wirelessly via an infra-red pulse emitted by the TV."

      Best Buy has a consistent record of the same issue. How you choose to look at it is one of three things. 1. Their "experts" are worthless and don't know anything, 2. They are intentional trying to defraud consumers, or 3, they assume consumers are all retarded and wouldn't understand something explained to them in clear English. You can choose the one you want to believe. One or all of them are true.

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    11. Re:Poor choice of verb. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      If it's not a conspiracy then there's no story, and if there's no story, then why are you here?

      Now put your tinfoil hat back on and get in line with the rest of us!
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    12. Re:Poor choice of verb. by LostCluster · · Score: 1

      It seems like any computer/tv/tech store gets this kind of complaint from non-tech-minded customers who buy the wrong widget, and too-tech-minded customers who think their technology is inferior to what they could build themselves. Such is the perils of mass marketing.

    13. Re:Poor choice of verb. by dangitman · · Score: 3, Informative

      Erm, so you're saying that actually they're not doing anything wrong, because this is a legitimate service they're offering - i.e. charging $150 to tell people they need a clear view of the TV to use their glasses to... watch the TV.

      The $150 isn't just for the "sync glasses" service, it's primarily for delivery and installation of the TV.

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    14. Re:Poor choice of verb. by agentc0re · · Score: 3, Funny

      He's a witch! Burn him!!

      WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!! Does he weigh as much as a duck?

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    15. Re:Poor choice of verb. by professorflipwig · · Score: 2, Insightful

      From my experiences with them, it is most likely a combination of numbers 1&3.

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    16. Re:Poor choice of verb. by Bakkster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Same deal as when Best Buy offers to take your money so the Geek Squad can install your new XBox 360 game... and this was before it was possible to install to HDD.

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    17. Re:Poor choice of verb. by hrimhari · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hold on, I'll be right back after I sync my mug with the coffee machine.

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    18. Re:Poor choice of verb. by spun · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Best Buy does bother with training. They train their employees on how to scam you.

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    19. Re:Poor choice of verb. by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      An intelligent, thoughtful reply on /.? Expect to get modded to hell. ;D

      Luckily the occurrance of an intelligent, thoughtful reply on /. would seem to indicate that hell may have been frozen over.

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    20. Re:Poor choice of verb. by Tumbleweed · · Score: 5, Funny

      > He's a witch! Burn him!!

      WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!! Does he weigh as much as a duck?

      Well, he SYNCS like a duck! Burn him!!

    21. Re:Poor choice of verb. by srleffler · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, only the usual attempt to mislead that underlies most marketing. By using words that make the process sound more technical, they help convince naive buyers that they need this service. A more honest description of the services offered would probably inspire slightly fewer people to buy it. Hence, the attempt to mislead is intentional, but not especially severe.

    22. Re:Poor choice of verb. by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      So much for global warming, huh? Hell's burnt out, and the world will freeze over. I'm looking forward to some mastodon steak.

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    23. Re:Poor choice of verb. by bane2571 · · Score: 1, Informative

      I'd probably end up paying $150 to get a whitegoods shop to deliver and install my Fridge, if they "sync it to my microwave" what does it mattter? I'm still getting the delivery and installation.

      People are blowing this up from a standard delivery charge with some poorly chosen addtional BS to a charge for turning on your TV. Are we really that petty?

    24. Re:Poor choice of verb. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't think this was a deliberate attempt to defraud customers as much as it was a poor choice of verb.

      Best Buy is a multi-billion dollar corporation that can well afford copywriters. You can bet they don't make "poor choice(s) of words" when they're writing the fine print on their overpriced extended warranties.

      To suggest that this was just a "whoopsie" is absurd. Funny that the "poor choice of words" costs the customer an additional $150. How often do you think they made a "poor choice of words" that was in favor of the customer. And believe me, if that ever happens, there's going to be one out-of-work employee.

      Plus, this roll-out of the "3D" televisions is supposed to be one of the most anticipated product category introductions for them. Retailers like Best Buy are betting on a huge wave of "trade-ups" to 3D and they're counting on it saving their bottom line for years to come.

      The notion that they'd make an "innocent" mistake that happens to mislead customers to pay an additional $150 stretches the imagination.

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    25. Re:Poor choice of verb. by 228e2 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Checkmate.

      Bestbuy has a constant track record of trying to confuse customers with computer terms so they will fold over and pay.
      Claiming the IP has to be synced is 100% BS because there is no NIC or USB port on the glasses, so saying the BestBuy computer experts (which i use loosely) were confused on the new technology is a cover up.

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    26. Re:Poor choice of verb. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The technician will basically test for DOA, or make whatever minor adjustments (ie. take off the packing foam) are needed. Syncing. Good enough.

      No sign of intent to mislead or defraud. Alarmism.

      How does these process need dumbing down, or for that matter how is any of what you just mentioned technical, wouldn't it just be easier and more accurate to say "Set Up" as each of those steps you described are more accurately explained as part of the set up process rather than some mysterious "syncing".

    27. Re:Poor choice of verb. by TehDuffman · · Score: 2, Funny

      An intelligent, thoughtful reply on /.? Expect to get modded to hell. ;D

      Luckily the occurrance of an intelligent, thoughtful reply on /. would seem to indicate that hell may have been frozen over.

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    28. Re:Poor choice of verb. by shoehornjob · · Score: 1

      This is par for the course for them. I've bought two laptops from them in recent years and they have a "computer tune up" service you can get for 39.95. The services offeered are: 1-Perform system updates and improve PC speed and performance, including startup and shutdown optimization 2-Windows updating, menu navigation improvement, quick launch and taskbar cleanup and program shortcut creation 3-Enable basic security functions, including antiphishing and pop-up blocking activation in Internet Explorer 4-Remove unwanted programs and trialware 5-Create desired user accounts (if applicable) 6-Test and verify PC hardware and software functionality #6 was interesting because you know they prob got paid to put some of that there in the first place. Anyway, the long and short of it is, with the exception of the crapware the comp was up to date with patches etc. It just goes to show you just how conniving they are.

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    29. Re:Poor choice of verb. by maxume · · Score: 1

      I move that the mob steal a wood chipper.

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    30. Re:Poor choice of verb. by tftp · · Score: 1

      People who are willing to pay $39.95 for this service most likely need it, badly.

    31. Re:Poor choice of verb. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      When you "sync" your smartphone you're not doing anything that relates to time, you're just copying data to be the same in both places. When you "sync" your Bluetooth headset, you're actually "pairing" it to tell it which phone it belongs to. When you press the "sync" button on your keyboard, you're actually "pairing" it again.

      All these are correct uses of sync. All are dependent upon time. All literally become synchronized in definable ways.

      you do need to ensure that the glasses can see the IR emitter

      So, you agree that Best Buy cannot perform the service advertised, but you don't think this is a deliberate attempt to defraud because people need someone to put the glasses on their faces and point them towards the TV?

      Are you connected from the local looney bin or Best Buy corporate? Both?

    32. Re:Poor choice of verb. by Trogre · · Score: 1

      People use the term "sync" when it has nothing to do with synchronization.

      'N Sync

      QED

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    33. Re:Poor choice of verb. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having worked there during college, I can honestly say it's #3. You would not believe how many times I had to explain the difference between RAM vs hard drives, dot pitch vs resolution, or AMD vs Intel (among other things). The people who know what they want generally know exactly where to find it, and are in and out before you even realize they're there. The folks who need only a little help ask smart questions, and are also in and out fairly quickly. The truly helpless are, well, helpless, and take up an inordinate amount of time. We were more than happy to sell them far more system than they really needed ($$margin$$), or pawn them off (quite successfully) on CompUSA and CircuitCity if they balked, so we could focus on the mostly-clued folks who asked smart questions.

    34. Re:Poor choice of verb. by demonlapin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I watched two guys install a 42" TV on a wall mount once. I'd gladly pay $150 to the store in return for their installing it and accepting all liability for its being dropped during the install process.

    35. Re:Poor choice of verb. by kextyn · · Score: 1

      $40 for that really isn't that bad. Anyone who knows how to do would never pay for someone else but for the average consumer who just knows how to open IE and go to www.google.com it's worth it. How long would it take you to do that on a system that has been running for months without updating or cleaning? Of course they probably won't babysit the PC during the updates but it would be on the bench for a while. Of course paying the Geek Squad to do anything is stupid but the price for that service seems fine if it's done properly.

      Think about the preventative maintenance you pay to have done on your car (assuming you don't know how to do it yourself.) Are those mechanics conniving as well? Services cost money and you have to decide if it's worth your time to do it yourself or pay a fee to have someone take care of it for you.

    36. Re:Poor choice of verb. by Thinboy00 · · Score: 4, Funny

      The $150 isn't just for the "sync glasses" service, it's primarily for delivery and installation of the TV.
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    37. Re:Poor choice of verb. by shentino · · Score: 1

      If the margins are too low then there's too much supply.

    38. Re:Poor choice of verb. by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          Judging from customers I've met, I think you've severely overestimated the intelligence of the average consumer. If you say you've never had a call from someone complaining that their TV doesn't work, just to find out that they didn't know to hit the big red "power" button.

          It's the same reason I don't answer my phone some days. "My internet doesn't work.", just to find out the powers out in the whole house. Of course, it doesn't help that when they call the power company and get a message during the 45 minutes of hold music that says "You can check your account online at http://www....../"

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    39. Re:Poor choice of verb. by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is clearly an intent to mislead. Using the term "sync" rather than "unpack it and make sure it works" is clearly intended to make it sound like something you can't do yourself because you're not a 3D TV geek. The idea is to inflate the perceived value of the unpacking and turning on service.

    40. Re:Poor choice of verb. by SignOfZeta · · Score: 1

      Plus, if they actually get the television and Blu-ray player connected to the Internet, that's a step or two beyond what most consumers would do. (Of course, being on ./, I'd save my $150.)

    41. Re:Poor choice of verb. by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Sad you're unaware of the MULTIPLE DEFINITIONS of 'sync' my favorite one to counter your nonsense being "The degree in which a picture and accompanying sound are lined up together."

      To synchronize is to either mirror or align. You either sync your smartphone and mirror its contents to your pc or vice-versa, or you sync audio to match up with the video track.

      For someone so pedantic about a definition you'd think you'd know the other definitions that completely nullify the nonsense you just spoke.

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    42. Re:Poor choice of verb. by Khyber · · Score: 1

      His reply is terribly ignorant of the other existing recognized definitions of 'sync' which automatically nullify the argument.

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    43. Re:Poor choice of verb. by IKnwThePiecesFt · · Score: 1

      Sorry, maybe once upon a time the gift cards were actual AmEx but they haven't been for the past 5+ years. If they were then the POS system wouldn't require you to select "gift card" rather than "credit" when running them, now would it?

      I call factual inaccuracy on your FUD story. There's plenty of reasons to hate BB, quit spreading the bullshit ones.

    44. Re:Poor choice of verb. by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "The margins on selling electronics are painfully thin"

      Only because they spend too much marketing instead of letting the product sell itself, duh. I make about 300% on all of my electronics and I'm STILL underselling versus most competitors.

      Simple fact: Marketing eats massively into your profits - you want more profits quit marketing constantly.

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    45. Re:Poor choice of verb. by Khyber · · Score: 1

      USB doesn't have an IP address, anyways. Firewire does, but they don't make firewire versions of shutter glasses that i'm aware of!

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    46. Re:Poor choice of verb. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No they did it on purpose because geeksquad tries to rip off stupid people.

      They charge 250 bucks to set up a ps3 systems, they charge like 750 bucks to hook up a tv and mount it on the wall. If thats not highway robbery I dont know what is.

    47. Re:Poor choice of verb. by Minwee · · Score: 4, Funny

      No sign of intent to mislead or defraud.

      From Best Buy? That is an alarming development. I don't think I have ever had an experience with that chain which didn't involve either of those value added services.

    48. Re:Poor choice of verb. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know it's prolly hard to wrap your feeble brain around but even though the glasses may sync by themselves I am pretty sure the TV does not deliver not set itself up.

      I mean come on people use some friggin common sense.

    49. Re:Poor choice of verb. by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 1

      I don't think this was a deliberate attempt to defraud customers as much as it was a poor choice of verb. People use the term "sync" when it has nothing to do with synchronization.

      No, when a huge corporation markets a service and says "sync" when they mean "plug in," there is definitely an attempt to defraud consumers by selling them a useless or non-existent service that they do not need. They do not accidentally do things like that, and they have been doing it for years.

      A friend of mine paid a bunch of money for Best Buy* to "calibrate" his HDTV. What did they do? Play with the color settings until he said "good," and plug it into his receiver. He is decidedly a non-geek, but they didn't do anything he wouldn't have been more than capable of doing if they had not pushed this "service" on him and been so nice as to finance it with the cost of the TV, making it even more attractive (or less unattractive maybe?). Even that ol' country boy wondered if he had been ripped off. I was nice and told him "If you're happy, it was worth it, right?. But next time you buy something, take it with you, call me when you get home, and I'll walk you through the setup, and you'll only owe me a beer."

      *I do not endorse their name as factually accurate

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    50. Re:Poor choice of verb. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They made something up to scare people into buying their service. If someone already knows how to install an HDTV, they won't buy the $150 installation service.

      But if you tell them that their new 3D TV needs to be 'synced' by the Geek Squad, they may think that something fundamentally different is needed and they better buy the service.

      It's fraud, plain and simple. Seeing as the blogger called up three different Best Buys and got three different incorrect answers as to what the syncing was, I feel comfortable sticking by the original fraud allegation.

      Oh no no. It's not like a normal TV installation at all. You have to *SYNC* your 3D glasses! That will be $150...

    51. Re:Poor choice of verb. by Cassius+Corodes · · Score: 1

      Well then enlighten us hancho - don't just vaguely suggest an argument exists.

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    52. Re:Poor choice of verb. by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Hence, the attempt to mislead is intentional, but not especially severe.

      Yes, it's one of those minor frauds.</sarcasm>

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    53. Re:Poor choice of verb. by The+Wild+Norseman · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hold on, I'll be right back after I sync my mug with the coffee machine.

      So you're saying that it's a kitchen sync?

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    54. Re:Poor choice of verb. by DavidTC · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Being the local 'nerd' for my family living in this county, (There are others nerds but they don't live nearby.) I have informed my family that, at any time they ever wish to purchase hardware, they need to schedule it for a day I am free, and I will ride with them to the store for the price of a fast food meal on the way.

      I like going there, and usually have something I'd like there, it's 45 minutes away so I don't like to waste the gas, so if they'll take me and feed me, I'm glad to go.

      I have also told them that, even if I'm not with them, under no circumstances, are they to purchase warranties, or cabling (Hell, if that printer really comes without a USB or power cable, I'll give them one! I've got plenty!), or any of the other 'needed' junk a store tries to foist on them. Even if someone specifically tells them otherwise.

      Of course, this has gotten a lot better since a local Frys has opened, instead of having to go to Best Buy.

      Seriously, fellow nerds, grow some spine, and help people at the same time. If your family is going to ask your help to setup electronics, and maintain their computer, the least you can demand is to help them buy the stuff so they don't end up getting scammed. If you're their damn IT department, you're in charge of purchasing also.

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    55. Re:Poor choice of verb. by Khyber · · Score: 1
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    56. Re:Poor choice of verb. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you would be surprised just how damn dense a user can be.
      sometimes I am amazed that they will even have the foresite to plug it in

    57. Re:Poor choice of verb. by jelizondo · · Score: 1

      ENTIRELY OFF-TOPIC.

      "I use a Mac because I'm just better than you are."

      I drive a Porsche, so I'm much better than you are.

      Now, what do we say about the Saudi Prince who is flown is private jets and drives a gold Mercedes?

      Do we accept that he is much better than any of us or do we finally understand that whatever devices we use does not makes us better than other people?

      Think about it.

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    58. Re:Poor choice of verb. by The+End+Of+Days · · Score: 1

      You mean a big box retailer is trying to sell something? Quick, get Obama on the case. This must be stopped!

    59. Re:Poor choice of verb. by dudpixel · · Score: 1

      huh? I was promised an iPad.

      oh crap. I'm in the wrong line!!

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    60. Re:Poor choice of verb. by sjames · · Score: 1

      Yes, no big deal except they're trying to make that something seem like it;s worth a lot more than it really is.

      Consider, selling a gold coin for a profit is fine. Plating a zinc coin with gold and selling a "gold coin" is not OK.

      If oil changes run $30 but one mechanic charges $50 for changing your oil and the all important frobnicating the flibberdejibbit, he is a crook.

    61. Re:Poor choice of verb. by Cassius+Corodes · · Score: 1

      I though you were referring to additional scientific meanings rather than common English meanings. Also - who the hell discusses the various meanings of sync in English class?

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    62. Re:Poor choice of verb. by adolf · · Score: 1

      They're not confusing customers with computer terms. They're just hiring people who don't understand the product, and aren't trained to know better.

      Relevant quotes:

      Never ascribe to malice that which can be easily explained by stupidity.

      Caveat emptor.

    63. Re:Poor choice of verb. by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 1

      They're just hiring people who don't understand the product, and aren't trained to know better.

      Which is funny, as BB's rebuttal was that they "only just trained staff last week" (which either means their staff have really shitty recall, or that BB's training really sucks... or both...

    64. Re:Poor choice of verb. by jimthehorsegod · · Score: 1

      Yes.. And no. To a large extent that's all correct I think, but there is still the more subtle hint that someone will have to 'sync' to get the whole thing working properly - and some people who might be comfortable plugging a TV into the power and HDMI cables might be persuaded to take the $150 installation because the 'sync' part looks a little more complicated, or that possibly they won't do it well enough to get the right results. It doesn't have to be an outright lie to scare people into paying for it...

    65. Re:Poor choice of verb. by adolf · · Score: 1

      If you'd ever been to Best Buy, you'd already know the answer: Both.

    66. Re:Poor choice of verb. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the cake is a lie!

    67. Re:Poor choice of verb. by jimicus · · Score: 1

      ICBW, but I was under the impression the glasses were just two polarised sheets of plastic and the image displayed on the TV was two overlaid polarised images. There's no shutter on the glasses to sync.

    68. Re:Poor choice of verb. by Scooby+Snacks · · Score: 1

      But I thought it was an unstationary scaffold!

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    69. Re:Poor choice of verb. by TheLuggs · · Score: 1

      They are not doing anything wrong because they do what they say. They just say it in a way that sound very high tech to their customers... Basicly "syncing the glasses" consists of inserting the batteries. The glasses do everything automaticly, end the end of the stories is the glasses are synchronized with the 3D picture. So if they put the batteries in (and everything works as its supposed to), they have fullfilled their promise. Still $150 to hook up a tv, setup the channels and connecting a bluray player doesnt sound all that shocking to me. I asume it takes them an hour on average (including a short explaination to the owner how to use his new setup)

    70. Re:Poor choice of verb. by JeffSpudrinski · · Score: 1

      I stopped shopping at Best Buy about six years ago. Not so much an active boycott as it is just a personal refusal to work with a corporation that's as arrogant as it is clueless.

      Their "geek squad" overcharge for simple services and put everything out as a line item that they charge for...even things that happen in the normal process of working on a computer.

      Even the company's commercials reinforce that they want their people to pretend to be "experts" on everything. I would get way too frustrated when I was in there and I would overhear a conversation between a customer who had a good question and a BB employee who would make crap up on the spot to pretend they knew what they were talking about.

      It's completely legitimate to state "I don't know" if you actually don't know something and then try to find out.

      BB is an arrogant company that actively shucks their customers and acts shocked and dismayed when they are called on it.

      Just my $0.02.

      -JJS

    71. Re:Poor choice of verb. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately that $150 doesn't include wall mounting. It includes delivery and install (i.e. unboxing and plugging in your AV boxes). I'd gladly pay that for wall mounting as well, but that's not what you get.

    72. Re:Poor choice of verb. by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't think this was a deliberate attempt to defraud customers as much as it was a poor choice of verb.

      "Never attribute to stupidity that which can be explained by greedy self-interest." -me

      I think it IS a rippff after talking to Bill. Bill's a fellow a few years older than me, and is your typical computer user -- he doesn't know much about his computer at all. Well, he bought a multimedia computer from Best Buy so he could use HDMI to watch youtube on his hi-def TV (Bill's obviously got money since he drives a six month old Caddilac). After the first Windows update the sound stopped working, so he took it back to Best Buy thinking he's get it fixed under warrantee. Nope; it's a "software problem" and the warrantee doesn't cover it. He paid $130, and when he told me about it I knew exactly what had gone wrong -- Microsoft had replaced a perfectly good driver with one that didn't work at all. This isn't uncommon, and I suspect happens a lot, since the same thing happened to me when I upgraded to XP several years ago and Windows replaced a perfectly good NIC driver with a nonfunctioning one. Unlike Bill, I'm a nerd so the update didn't cost me anything but some head scratching and deductive reasoning.

      I told him the next time it happens, call me and I'll save him $130. It wouldn't have taken Best Buy five minutes to replace the crap driver, and they could have just told him how to do it himself instead of taking advantage of his ignorance and defrauding him of $130. Bill's not stupid, just ignorant about computers.

      Toyota owners ought to be glad their warrantee doesn't exclude software, like a computer does. But at any rate, I believe Best Buy uses the warrantee limitations to defraud their own customers. This was no mistake; they profit handsomely from this "mistake".

      One last word here -- someone with money and Linux expertise could make a fortune, preloading a newbie-friendly OS like Ubantu or Mandriva on a PC and selling it with a warrantee that covers the software that comes with the computer.

      There is no excuse for software to not be warranted. Best Buy is run by thieves and fraudsters; you continually hear about frauds perpetrated by Best Buy on their customers; it wasn't long ago they got caught selling returned merchandise as new, often missing items that should have been included and were marked on the box as being included (e.g., diskman-like CD players lacking headphones, TVs lacking remotes, etc).

      Whoever said "you get what you pay for" never bought anything from Best Buy.

    73. Re:Poor choice of verb. by Rary · · Score: 1

      ...they're trying to make that something seem like it;s worth a lot more than it really is.

      That's called advertising. Every company does it.

      "Our product doesn't contain arsenic! It's Space Age technology(tm)! Now with electrolytes!

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    74. Re:Poor choice of verb. by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Sometimes to explain things to the uninformed you have to condense to the point of being easily misunderstood by others in-the-know.

      If your explanation is easily misunderstood by the learned, how can it be accurately uderstood by the ignorant?

      The consumer will interpret that "syncing" thing as "doing whatever techno-wizardry is necessary to make sure the purchased stuff Just Works (tm)".

      Do you put up with that from your auto mechanic? I don't, and it's still dishonest.

    75. Re:Poor choice of verb. by Leafheart · · Score: 1

      There is clearly an intent to mislead. Using the term "sync" rather than "unpack it and make sure it works" is clearly intended to make it sound like something you can't do yourself because you're not a 3D TV geek. The idea is to inflate the perceived value of the unpacking and turning on service.

      Don't forget the delivering, installation, network plugging and all that jazz they do. Seriously, Best Buy answer was very informative and put the issue into perspective.

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    76. Re:Poor choice of verb. by 0racle · · Score: 1
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    77. Re:Poor choice of verb. by damien_kane · · Score: 1

      That's called advertising. Every company does it.

      "Our product doesn't contain arsenic! It's Space Age technology(tm)! Now with electrolytes!

      Whoa, wait a minute there... you're trying to trick us, there aren't any plants in space.
      We need to keep those electrolytes for our plants down here on earth; they crave them, don'tya know?

    78. Re:Poor choice of verb. by 228e2 · · Score: 1

      And to be honest, I really, really think its 50/50

      While in undergrad, I worked as a Dell Rep, so part of my job was to go into computer stores and see what the local competition offers in terms of deals.
      I would more often than not (75% of the time) get a sales pitch covered in fairy dust claiming this Dell can do X,Y, and Z when I already know it cannot.
      I would also get pitches (maybe 75% of the time as well) claiming that a Dell running Vista needs certain specs for whichever type of user I represented that day which fell into the gray area of lying/ignorance.

      The point I am getting at is this only happened at BestBuy, not Circuit City, or Media Play, or any other store. They just presented the facts and from the pitches I heard, it was pretty obvious that they were coached to sell X amount of RAM for normal users, X++ for gamers, etc. These grouping categories were universal and similar everywhere EXCEPT at BestBuy, which is why I have a problem with Bestbuy. It wouldnt be inconceivable that BestBuy hires imbeciles for their computer department, but these imbeciles are being coached based on shady guidelines. And the really bad part was usually BestBuy offered the best price, so they really didnt need to BS the customer.

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    79. Re:Poor choice of verb. by PsychoSlashDot · · Score: 1

      Sometimes to explain things to the uninformed you have to condense to the point of being easily misunderstood by others in-the-know.

      If your explanation is easily misunderstood by the learned, how can it be accurately uderstood by the ignorant?

      The consumer will interpret that "syncing" thing as "doing whatever techno-wizardry is necessary to make sure the purchased stuff Just Works (tm)".

      Do you put up with that from your auto mechanic? I don't, and it's still dishonest.

      It can be uderstood (sic) by the ignorant just fine because the degree of understanding that the ignorant is trying to extract is significantly lower than the learned might try for.

      Do I put up with that from my mechanic? Absolutely. I have a long-term relationship with him and he has a pretty good understanding of my level of knowledge and how much detail I care for. He'd never say "rebuild your transmission" when he means "change your wiper blades". But he'd certainly put "plugged vacuum leak" on an invoice knowing that I don't really care if it was a hose, gasket, or other cause. Maybe he just stuck a bolt in the end of a hose that was supposed to be plugged. Maybe he changed a gasket. It's up to me to decide how much detail I want, and I can always ask for more.

      You know what... this reminds me of people who can't cope with end-users because they're stuck in some intellectually superior stratosphere. Users boot up their hard drives. No matter how many times you explain that's a computer and the hard drive is a component inside, to them it's a hard drive. Get this: it's not a sin as a computer guy to ask a user to boot up their hard drive. Yes, it's inaccurate. Yes, some literalist might open up the computer and take out the hard drive and do something horrible to it. Yes. But the risk is trivial compared to the benefit of being understood because of your inaccuracies. (I've got users who insist the monitor is the computer.)

      Again, I'm convinced this is a bunch of us elitist techno-snobs freaking out about a choice of words that wasn't targeted at us.

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    80. Re:Poor choice of verb. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The thing is they do defraud people by 'dumbing it down'. As you do not know if it is true or not.

      My favorite quote I have seen in a best buy. A couple standing near a LCD TV. 'We will take it in the back and de-blue the TV as that color causes your TV to burn out faster'. I did not stick around to see if they bought the TV as the level of BS flowing from the *SALESMAN* was too much for me to handle.

      Sales dudes will say and do anything to make a sale. What do they care if it is a lie after you buy it?

      If they are going to check for DOA then tell the people that. The reason they do not tell people what they are doing as they SHOULD be doing it anyway. They want to make it sound fancy so they can charge for it.

  2. After reading best buy awsner... by santax · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Seems pretty plausible to me. Has the poster read the links the presented in the article?

    1. Re:After reading best buy awsner... by Pojut · · Score: 2, Informative

      The type of people that would pay someone else $150 to set up a basic home theater also likely don't know you need to "sync" the glasses to the TV. The fee isn't JUST to "sync" the glasses...they are just including it as part of the whole set-up package.

      I rarely defend Best Buy, but I agree...there is no malice in this offer, at least no more than Best Buy would usually muster.

    2. Re:After reading best buy awsner... by Token_Internet_Girl · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Several times. I thought that the corporate response was handled in a way as to detract blame from them, nothing more. It was still worth sharing that Best Buy as a company will try to trip up less savvy users into services they don't really need.

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    3. Re:After reading best buy awsner... by santax · · Score: 1

      Pretty cool that you respond. Well I can't look into their heads, but to me it's just a company advertising. I can't recall how many times I made the mistake to tell a customer what I was gonna do. A 5 minute job can turn into a 5 hour job when you say the correct technical term to the 'wrong' customer. (but I don't get it, you were going to reinstall my system, but you haven't even touched one of the wires.... Yeah... those people exist)

    4. Re:After reading best buy awsner... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... at least no more than Best Buy would usually muster.

      I've heard of setting the bar low, but with BB, you have to dig a trench to set the bar in.

    5. Re:After reading best buy awsner... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      "Sync" is a perfectly valid word. They make sure that the glasses talk to the system properly. On some equipment, defaults need to be changed. People "sync" their bluetooth headset to their MP3 player, so they are using the words of the people they are marketing to. Many people think "sync" means "to enable communication between" and that's what they are doing.

      Add to that they don't care what you personally think, since you'd never buy their service, and and I think they said what they wanted to say and didn't defraud anyone out of anything. It's a $150 comprehensive install. If it requires tweaks to get the glasses working, that's included. Anyone that knows "sync" is technically wrong isn't going to be buying their service, and someone that wants their service got their glasses connected to their system, which was their expectation. So, regardless whether you have some personal issue with the word choice, I wouldn't think it actionable because no one lost anything. You either knew what it meant and realized you didn't need the service, or you didn't know what it meant exactly, but got what you thought it meant. I guess if there was someone out there that thought there was a timing issue and that Best Buy would solve that for them, then some small portion of the install costs should be refunded. If they sue, I'm sure they'll make it class action and win a $5 discount off the next install from Best Buy.

    6. Re:After reading best buy awsner... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I rarely defend Satan, but I agree...there is no malice in this offer, at least no more than Satan would usually muster.

  3. Well then! by garcia · · Score: 3, Funny

    Clearly hdguru.com needs to sync their database with their httpd.

  4. Best buy response (the site is getting slow) by zebadee · · Score: 5, Informative

    Best Buy Responds To “3D Glasses Syncing Service”

    (March 23, 2010) We asked Best Buy’s media relations department last week why Best Buy’s Geek Squad offers a fictional 3D glasses syncing service? (link to our original story). Below is the corporate response.

    “I wanted to address any lingering confusion about the characterization of services support in the Best Buy Samsung 3DTV offer that was advertised in yesterday’s (March 21) insert. We by no means intended to confuse our customers or offer fraudulent services. The offer is new to our stores, and our own employees were trained on it just this past week.

    Let me clarify the services that are included with this offer. Geek Squad will:

    1. Set up and connect your TV + up to 5 components (Blu Ray, Cable Box, Satellite Box, etc )

    2. Add your internet enabled Blu ray/Gaming Console or internet enabled TV to your existing wireless network so you can access online content such as Netflix and Pandora.

    3. Make sure your 3D glasses work – some solutions we sell need TV settings adjusted so that 3D glasses are enabled – there are both 3D and non 3D settings for viewing

    4. Review and teach you how to use all of your new gear.

    We have some customers who aren’t quite sure how the 3D glasses work, or that the glasses automatically sync with their new 3D TVs. So we wanted to convey that they can depend on Geek Squad to answer their questions during installation and set-up. There is no additional charge for this – and the Geek Squad 3D installation and networking services are included in the total price of this offer.

    You know we’re as enthusiastic about 3D as you are, and equally committed to help educate consumers about how to get the most from this home entertainment experience.”

    1. Re:Best buy response (the site is getting slow) by Kitkoan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Best Buy Responds To “3D Glasses Syncing Service” (March 23, 2010) We asked Best Buy’s media relations department last week why Best Buy’s Geek Squad offers a fictional 3D glasses syncing service? (link to our original story). Below is the corporate response. “I wanted to address any lingering confusion about the characterization of services support in the Best Buy Samsung 3DTV offer that was advertised in yesterday’s (March 21) insert. We by no means intended to confuse our customers or offer fraudulent services. The offer is new to our stores, and our own employees were trained on it just this past week.;

      The problem with a message like this is they want to use this as a 'sorry we goofed and now here's a fix'. Thing is, the message is still out in the public and will not be changed for the public eye. Thats great that the techie's that already knew this wasn't true got Best Buy to admit that its wrong, but Average Joe on the other hand still only see's that the fliers still state this function still happens, Best Buy's employee's will still state that this function is done, and the in store fliers will still state that its a selling point and the in store fliers will not be corrected nor be given a re-print of this 'confusing error'. In the end, Best Buy wins and is using this to look like the good guys.

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    2. Re:Best buy response (the site is getting slow) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so in short, who cares that the syncing stuff is on the list
      your spending 150 bucks for someone who installs HDTVs a lot to do this, as well as set up all the peripherals and connections in your home. house calls are not cheap.
      after blowing two grand on all this stuff, some customers are willing to spend the extra hundred and fifty so they don't have to shoehorn it into a car and risk breaking their stuff.
      only us nerdy cheapskates who are not afraid of getting their hands dirty are going to balk at this service

    3. Re:Best buy response (the site is getting slow) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That sounded sensible and believable, right up to the last sentence and then they blew it.

      Of course they couldn't just stop when all relevant things were said. They just had to include that last sentence full of bullshit-bingo marketing lingo.

      Unfortunately this wholly irrelevant nonsense invalidates whatever was written above it.

    4. Re:Best buy response (the site is getting slow) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since they come to your house FOR FREE, this was a non-issue from the second the original contributor even mentioned it. They come and set up your stuff for free, and tell you how to use it for free. Sounds like a good deal regardless of whether or not the original contributor is happy with their description of the service.

  5. I've got enough social problems... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    The last thing I need is for people to walk into my house and see me sitting on my couch wearing some goofy looking glasses.

    You know how like... some things don't look as ridiculous if several people are doing it at the same time (like, dancing, for example)? Well 3D glasses don't change that. A whole theater full of people still look individually absurd in a way that their numbers somehow do not correct for.

    1. Re:I've got enough social problems... by magnusrex1280 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The LAST thing on my list of "stuff I really care about" is what people who walk into my house think of how I look when using 3D glasses. If this is something you're really that worked up about, I would suggest that your priorities are a little off. It's your own house, do what you want. Stop caring so much about what other people think.

    2. Re:I've got enough social problems... by am+2k · · Score: 3, Funny

      The first thing I'd think if somebody walked into my house while I'm watching some 3D movie would be "how tf did that person get through the locked door?"

    3. Re:I've got enough social problems... by westlake · · Score: 1

      The last thing I need is for people to walk into my house and see me sitting on my couch wearing some goofy looking glasses.

      But they will ooh and ahh when they first see your new home theater set-up.

      Hear the muscular eight channel surround sound audio. Test the recliner lounge seating. The glasses are simply part of the theatrical experience - and they will give them a try.

    4. Re:I've got enough social problems... by sdguero · · Score: 1

      I don't wear headsets for the same reason. Screw voice chat if I have to look like a fool.

    5. Re:I've got enough social problems... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your door's lock is incompatible with 3D, obviously.

    6. Re:I've got enough social problems... by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      The last thing I need is for people to walk into my house and see me sitting on my couch wearing some goofy looking glasses.

      Only two people outside of my wife and I have keys to my house*, and are thus likely to just walk in** - and both are friends of decades standing. Neither would care about me looking 'goofy'.

      If you don't want people 'just walking in' to your house, lock you're friggin' door.

      * They often care for our pets when we are away. Because it made things simpler I finally just told them to keep the keys on the principle that if I couldn't trust 'em to have the keys to my house they wouldn't have the keys in the first place.

      ** Not that they ever have of course.

    7. Re:I've got enough social problems... by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      The last thing I need is for people to walk into my house and see me sitting on my couch wearing some goofy looking glasses.

      Maybe if you moved out of your parents' basement you wouldn't have to worry about random people coming in and saying hi.

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    8. Re:I've got enough social problems... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The last thing I need is for people to walk into my house and see me sitting on my couch wearing some goofy looking glasses.

      Be that as it may, in today's modern internet age, and in true Best Buy spirit, you could probably find someone willing to pay for that.

    9. Re:I've got enough social problems... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ob xkcd...

    10. Re:I've got enough social problems... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the first thing you'd think is "hide the sock, hide the sock"

    11. Re:I've got enough social problems... by !eopard · · Score: 1

      The last thing I need is for people to walk into my house and see me sitting on my couch wearing some goofy looking glasses.

      The last thing I need (or anyone else for that matter), is to walk into my home and see me sitting on the couch wearing nothing BUT some goofy looking glasses. Luckily for me and the fireman that burst in one time (false alarm) I had decided that jocks were required that day.

      3D glasses are waaaay down on my list.

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    12. Re:I've got enough social problems... by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      That's why I don't wear seatbelts!

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    13. Re:I've got enough social problems... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If somebody walked into my house despite the locked door, I would immediately get my lawyers "Smith & Wesson".

  6. I'll bet... by Al's+Hat · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...they don't tell you about needing to adjust the framistat (and the additional charge) until they show up for the install.

  7. The simplest answer is probably the right one by onyxruby · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Chances are someone in the marketing department saw this and added 'syncing' of their own accord. They saw a buzzword, didn't know what they were talking about and made the ad accordingly. I doubt this was intentional fraud, and their answer sets the record straight on that. As one version of the old saying goes, "never attribute to malice that which is simple incompetence". Hopefully best buy will learn and have someone who is technically savvy review things in the future. After all who hasn't occasionally seen something like a dual core 2Ghz chip advertised as 4Ghz or a system advertised as having 1TB of memory?

    1. Re:The simplest answer is probably the right one by Dare+nMc · · Score: 1

      it is very hard to differentiate "marketing" from fraud, especially in this case. "deceit for a profit" is both fraud and marketing, when done like this, it is just not legally actionable fraud...
          Wanting to make their service sound more useful and necessary than it really was, is fraud IMHO (regardless if the marketing dept meant to be truthful and failed, they were attempting deceit to justify them over-stating the value of the service.) But the intent would prevent this from being legally actionable.

    2. Re:The simplest answer is probably the right one by Vapor8 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hopefully best buy will learn and have someone who is technically savvy review things in the future.

      Do you REALLY believe that Best Buy, a company with revenues of 45 BILLION dollars in 2008, and a company who makes most of its money selling 'technology related goods', isn't having a technically savvy TEAM review things? I'm afraid you're overly simplifying things here...

      Did they screw up? Yes. Should we give them the benefit of the doubt? Maybe. Their past fumblings do indeed show a pattern, so my inclination to give them the benefit of the doubt becomes smaller and smaller each time I read stories like these. And right now, my inclination is quite small.

    3. Re:The simplest answer is probably the right one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After all who hasn't occasionally seen something like a dual core 2Ghz chip advertised as 4Ghz or a system advertised as having 1TB of memory?

      You mean my 4GHz, 1TB with 10TB SSD, quad SLI, 900"^2 LCD, 2000W PSU, built in cigarette lighter, cold-cathode heatsinks, refridgerated case, wireless dual gigabit ethernet, 10.2 surround sound, and case inspired by real crashed UFOs... is a lie? How dare they!

    4. Re:The simplest answer is probably the right one by sharkey · · Score: 1

      Well, if you truly believe that there is a technically savvy TEAM employed by Best Buy somewhere, Best Buy might have them review things. Judging from the Best Buy stores around here though...

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    5. Re:The simplest answer is probably the right one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "never attribute to malice that which is simple incompetence"

      Far better advice -- "never attribute to simple incompetence that which can be explained by a profit motive".

      Hopefully best buy will learn and have someone who is technically savvy review things in the future.

      They've had all the years in the business that anyone would need to learn -- the fact that they've refused to learn in simply evidence of willful malevolence.

    6. Re:The simplest answer is probably the right one by Khyber · · Score: 1

      'Do you REALLY believe that Best Buy, a company with revenues of 45 BILLION dollars in 2008, and a company who makes most of its money selling 'technology related goods', isn't having a technically savvy TEAM review things?"

      having gone through the entire interview process and then cross-interviewing them - THEY ARE ALL FUCKING MORONS.

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    7. Re:The simplest answer is probably the right one by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          Come on, they aren't selling those yet. I just started listing them on eBay two days ago. There's still 5 days left on the auction. 15 bids, and 150,000 watchers. Ahhh, gotta love the gullibility of customers. ;)

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    8. Re:The simplest answer is probably the right one by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I doubt this was intentional fraud

      I see you've never shopped at Best Buy.

    9. Re:The simplest answer is probably the right one by NeoSkandranon · · Score: 1

      Do I really believe that Best buy's marketing team has no oversight, and no one who saw this piece of work en route to approval and publication was savvy enough to know that it was wrong?

      Yes.

      "Why are you trying to get in the way of marketing, son? They're trying to make us money. Go away."

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  8. Much ado about nothing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...talk about a sloooooooooow news day if this is considered newsworthy. Oh noes!! They used the word "sync" instead of "setup". Let's boycott Best Buy and burn down their stores!! Get a grip people...first off that was one of 10 things in the offer what they are offering makes perfect sense.

  9. Ahh, good old WEAK Squad. by MrCrassic · · Score: 2, Informative
    1. The main links are Slashdotted, so here's its Google Cache: link
    2. Are all of Best Buy's ads printed nationwide, or do they vary by region? If the latter case is true, then I can't say I'm truly surprised, as shoddy areas would be more likely to offer shoddy services such as this. On the other hand, if the false service was nationally marketed, then it would make me even more worried (and more confident) that Best Buy is caring significantly less about being a quality chain post Circuit City/CompUSA's demise.
    1. Re:Ahh, good old WEAK Squad. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I work on computers for a living, self-employed. I love Geek/Weak Squad! They mess up a lot of stuff, and then people call me.

      It's always a good invoice when it comes in the shop with that pink 'Best Buy' sticker on it :-D

    2. Re:Ahh, good old WEAK Squad. by MrCrassic · · Score: 1

      I do the same, and, unfortunately, Geek squad isn't the only dirt in the water...

  10. It's not going to take off by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    The glasses are precisely the reason. Never mind the look, never mind not wanting to wear them. The fundamental problem is that if you are watching in 3D mode, the screen is a blurry mess to anyone without glasses. It can be uncomfortable to look at. This means if you are sitting watching a movie and someone else walks in the room, it is a problem for them. With a normal TV, it doesn't matter. People can watch for a bit, no problem. Seeing it out of the side of your view it looks normal. Not here. It is either 3D with the glasses or jumbled mess without.

    1. Re:It's not going to take off by dangitman · · Score: 1

      The fundamental problem is that if you are watching in 3D mode, the screen is a blurry mess to anyone without glasses. It can be uncomfortable to look at. This means if you are sitting watching a movie and someone else walks in the room, it is a problem for them.

      Why is this even an issue? Either you're watching the movie or you're not. Why would you worry about the ability of someone who is not watching the movie to watch the movie? If they want to watch it, they'll put on the glasses.

      --
      ... and then they built the supercollider.
    2. Re:It's not going to take off by __aasqbs9791 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If a pair is available. How many pairs do you get with the TV? If you have roommates who generally watch their own TVs, or friends who only come over infrequently, will you have enough glasses for them? Can you be sure someone won't misplace one or more pairs of them? I'm certain pretty much every time we used them one of them would go missing (my wife seems to like finding new places to hide things (completely unconsciously of course)) so I'll probably never get one myself, though I'd like one.

    3. Re:It's not going to take off by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

      You've never stood in a room and chatted with someone while they watched something? You've never watched a bit and then wandered on?

      Remember we aren't talking about something here where you just see it in 2D. We are talking about where you see something that is a mass of two images flickering that is hard to look at. It is annoying.

      Also there's the issue of number of glasses. Do you get enough for everyone in your family plus some? Or do you have less, but then have to switch it back to 2D when more people show up? You and your wife are watching something, but then your son and his friend come out and want to watch too. You only have 3 glasses so you have to shut down 3D. Then they get bored and leave, do you turn it back on?

      It is just a pain in the ass in general. As such I don't see it taking off in any big way. TVs have a big advantage that you can watch or not watch as you like, with no effort. You just look at them. When you need glasses, that's no longer the case.

      After all, before this we've been able to have glasses with a screen for each eye. That can do 3D, as well as 2D. Why isn't that popular? How come we haven't seen those all over?

    4. Re:It's not going to take off by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Well, then turn the 3D off if you don't have enough glasses. But I'm not sure why you'd be particularly concerned about random passers-by who didn't care enough to watch the movie from the start.

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      ... and then they built the supercollider.
    5. Re:It's not going to take off by dangitman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A 3D movie is intended to be an immersive experience. Not background entertainment. If you want to use it that way, just turn the 3D off.

      I, for one, am sick of people treating movies this way. If you're not going to commit to the screening, then fuck the hell off, and don't disturb the people who are watching the movie.

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      ... and then they built the supercollider.
    6. Re:It's not going to take off by __aasqbs9791 · · Score: 1

      Why buy the 3D TV if you're just going to turn it off then? Seems rather wasteful. Of course, if it was the same price, you might as well get it, but I'm assuming it will be an optional 'extra' for a little while yet.

    7. Re:It's not going to take off by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Why buy the 3D TV if you're just going to turn it off then? Seems rather wasteful.

      You wouldn't if you were never going to turn it on. But you might want to turn it off in some situations, as mentioned here, and turn it on in other situations. Do you even read the thread before replying?

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      ... and then they built the supercollider.
    8. Re:It's not going to take off by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      The ultimate problem to be solved is the same one that drove HD: sports. HD evening news is pointless. HD sitcoms, not much better. HD movies, well, those are nice. But sports drove HD, and they'll drive 3D as soon as someone comes up with technology that lets you have 20 people over to watch the Big Game. Until then, I'm pretty sure that 3D TV will be a gimmick that most people buy only because it's a basically free add-on.

    9. Re:It's not going to take off by __aasqbs9791 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Read the thread! I can't be bothered to read something before commenting. This. Is. SLAAAAASHDOT!

    10. Re:It's not going to take off by biryokumaru · · Score: 1

      I am exactly like that. I haven't even watched a movie since my son was born (he's 14 months). The last movie I actually got to watch was Metropolis (no, not in theaters). I probably won't end up buying a 3D TV until my kids leave home.

      --
      When you're afraid to download music illegally in your own home, then the terrorists have won!
    11. Re:It's not going to take off by DavidTC · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I, for one, am sick of people treating movies this way. If you're not going to commit to the screening, then fuck the hell off, and don't disturb the people who are watching the movie.

      I'm with you.

      It is entirely reasonable to throw on some movie in the background, I guess. I probably wouldn't do that, I don't like having distracting narratives running in the background while I'm trying to do things, I prefer music, but whatever, plenty of people seem to be okay with that.

      If you do that, you, duh, wouldn't turn on the 3D.

      The 3D is when you dedicate 2 hours of your life watching a movie. You turn the lights down, you get a snack and a drink, you get comfortable, and, oh yeah, you put on the glasses and push the 3D button. That's how I watch movies, minus the 3-D part. Hell, that's how I watch TV shows.

      If you gain more people during that time than glasses, well, you probably paused the movie anyway, and you push the 3D button while it's paused and take off the glasses. It's not rocket surgery.

      That said, I'm probably not buying 3D anytime soon. I watch maybe three movies a month on my TV, the rest is TV shows. And even the movies tend to be old-ish ones.

      There's a rather idiotic break-even point on 3D TVs. I mean, if, every time you wanted to watch a 3D movie, you instead went to a theater and saw it in 3D, it would take years to break even....and that's assuming the experience is equal and you get your blue-rays for free.

      Of course, the same thing can be said about any early-adopters of home theaters...but at least those had the advantages of at least having a bigger pictures, even if you were watching analog broadcast. But a 3D TV isn't going to show 99.99% of the stuff out there even slightly different than normal, and stuff isn't going to be remastered off original film into 3D.

      --
      If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
    12. Re:It's not going to take off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but then your son and his friend come out and want to watch too.

      After breaking such important news to my parents, and presenting them my significant other, certainly the last thing I'd think about would be to watch a movie...

      It is just a pain in the ass in general.

      Don't worry. That's only the first time.

  11. Full 3D? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uhh... its not "Full 3D" until I'm not wearing glasses. Regardless of any "sync" bullshit.

  12. Some Helpful 3D Hints that I'll Give Away for $20 by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Funny
    Be sure to sell your technically inept friends this great 3D advice:
    • Be sure to shake the glasses fervently to make sure that lens fluid remains fresh and your 3D viewing experience is homogeneous from the top of your eye to the bottom.
    • Old photons collect in the corner of the glasses. A toothbrush wrapped with tinfoil will quickly allow you to wick these away from time to time.
    • Sometimes glasses get 'out of sync' with the infrared emitter. If you suspect this, press your forehead against the middle of the display unit and slowly back away. Slower. Slower. That's it.
    • Hanging small rocks from the back of the glasses arm behind your ear prevents unwanted frontal ejection of your glasses from your facial region.
    • If you do not have access to small rocks, a large piece of duct tape attached to the bridge of your nose will block the glasses from falling forward during your viewing session.
    • Photons exhibit a common physical property known as "the duality of light" which occurs when the photon becomes confused about which color it should be when it sees photons of other colors. Make sure everything in your viewing room is painted or colored white so that no photon confusion interrupts your genuine 3D experience.

    Man, if only bullshit was source of income. What a second, I feel a political career beginning!

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    My work here is dung.
  13. Then again by Token_Internet_Girl · · Score: 1, Informative

    I can understand why most of you think this could be FUD, but here's my argument against that position:

    If a company propositions a service, not just any service but an EXPENSIVE one, what legitimacy is there in advertising a feature of that service that the tech doesn't even do and isn't required for them TO do?

    Now, in the response, Best buy stated this in relation to the 3D aspect: "3. Make sure your 3D glasses work - some solutions we sell need TV settings adjusted so that 3D glasses are enabled - there are both 3D and non 3D settings for viewing." Making sure the glasses work and syncing them are TWO different exercises. To me, I see an overzealous advertising agent who saw an opportunity to throw out some buzzwords for sales. I don't buy the stupidity excuse, Best Buy knowingly takes advantage of its customers and has done so for years. Just my two cents.

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    Sure baby, I'll give you my phone number...in Hex
    1. Re:Then again by Spykk · · Score: 1

      Imagine you are a layperson who doesn't understand the concepts involved. You see two ads; one that mentions they will sync the glasses for you, and one that doesn't mention syncing at all. Wouldn't you think that you better go with the first ad because you don't know how to sync the glasses yourself?

    2. Re:Then again by jack2000 · · Score: 1

      I don't buy the stupidity excuse, COMPANY_NAME_HERE knowingly takes advantage of its customers and has done so for years. Just my two cents.

  14. Oblig by AmigaHeretic · · Score: 4, Funny

    "24K gold-plated connectors help protect the cable's optical lens to ensure consistent signal transfer"

    http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Rocketfish%26%23153%3B+-+8'+Digital+Optical+Cable/8315147.p?id=1174694191675&skuId=8315147&st=optical


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    1. Re:Oblig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where's the problem? Haven't you ever heard of Goldeneye?

    2. Re:Oblig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "24K gold-plated connectors help protect the cable's optical lens to ensure consistent signal transfer"

      http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Rocketfish%26%23153%3B+-+8'+Digital+Optical+Cable/8315147.p?id=1174694191675&skuId=8315147&st=optical

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      The product features section is usually copied word for word from the back of the box, I'd blame rocketfish for that one not worst buy.

    3. Re:Oblig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      duh, gold transmits light faster than copper!

    4. Re:Oblig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Twas my nemesis....Golddongle!

    5. Re:Oblig by blankinthefill · · Score: 1, Informative

      Since Rocketfish belongs to Best Buy, you're blaming the same company either way: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_Buy#Best_Buy_exclusive_brands

    6. Re:Oblig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are you implying? That protecting the cable's optical lens DOES NOT ensure consistent signal transfer?

    7. Re:Oblig by theskipper · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, +5 funny but the comments are proof that this type of marketing works:

      NoSympathy from Cincinnati, OH
      "I have two def tech 7006 towers hooked up to a denon 1909 and my TV running into my reciever with this cable to I can get sound from my antenna. Sounds pretty good to me. I know I could go with an M series monster cable that would destroy this cable , but for what I use it for, it works for me!"

      By caramella from san antonio, tx:
      "I just got this from my new home theater system and it's great. Sound quality is awesome. Better than my last cables . Also durable with mesh covering. Won't have to worry about torn cables."

      Ouch.

    8. Re:Oblig by jack2000 · · Score: 1

      $500 high-purity copper wire AUDIO cable
      And now for the Customer Reviews:
      A caution to people buying these: if you do not follow the "directional markings" on the cables, your music will play backwards. Please check that before mentioning it in your reviews.
      I was disappointed. I consider myself an audiophile - I regularly spend over $1000 on cables to get the ultimate sound. I keep my music-listening room in a Faraday cage to prevent any interference that could alter my music-listening experience. Sending any signal down ordinary copper can degrade the signal considerably. While ordinary listeners might not notice, to somebody with even a rudimentary knowledge of sound, the artifacts are glaring. Denon should have used silver wiring (hermetically sealed inside the rubber sheath to prevent any tarnishing, of course), which has a significantly higher conductivity than copper. Furthermore, Denon needs to treat the wires they use in the cable with a polarity inductor to ensure minimal phase variance.
      Needless to say, I returned the cable and wrote an angry letter to the so-called engineers at Denon.
      _____
      I knew my day was going to improve when the truck pulled up at my home with this cable deep within. No ordinary truck, this one was Holy White, and the gold Delivery logo sparkled like a thousand suns reflected through shards of the purest ice formed with unadulterated water collected at the beginning of the universe. The driver, clad in a robe colored the softest of white, floated towards me on the cool fog of a hundred fire extinguishers. He smiled benevolently, like a father looking down upon his only child, and handed me a package wrapped in gold beaten thin to the point where you could see through it. I didn't have to sign, because the driver could see within my heart, and knew that I was pure. Upon opening the package, an angelic choir started to sing, and reached a crescendo as I laid this cable on my stereo system. Instantly, my antiquated equipment transformed into components made from the clearest diamond-semiconductor. The cable knew where to go, and hooked itself into the correct ports without help from me - all the while, the choir sang praises to the almighty digital god. With trepidation, I pushed "play," and was instantly enveloped in a sound that echoed the creation of all matter, a sound that vibrated every cell in my body to perfection. I was instantly taken to the next plane, where I saw the all-father. I knew with my entire soul, that all was good in the world.
      But then I realized the cable was blue, so I only gave it one star. I hate blue.

    9. Re:Oblig by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      This is even dumber than it sounds. Because, um, when the fuck did optical cables get 'lens'?

      To quote Wikipedia, a lens is 'an optical element which converges or diverges light'. If the end of your optical cable 'converges or diverges' light, it's broken. The end of an optical cable is supposed to pass light unaltered.

      It's like talking about the 'lens' of your bedroom window. That is not a lens, you dumbass. Because light is going straight through, which is exactly, definitively, what a lens is not.

      At least they're optical lens, instead of, I dunno, an electron lens, or a gravitational lens. Glad they clarified that.

      Likewise, how does gold connector protect the end 'better' from being scratched? Wouldn't, um, some sort of material that is actually hard do a better job?

      'Hey, that end piece is getting all scratched up, I better use one of the softest metals known to man to keep things away from it!'

      Luckily, it's only gold-plated. Although knowing their logic, it's probably gold-plated mercury, for additional uselessness. Or gold-plated caviar. Hey, it's expensive, it has to be good!

      Of course, this is meta-stupid, as the endpoint (not lens) of a TOSLINK is far enough inside the connector that you'd have to poke it with a paper-clip to scratch it anyway. Which gold would hardly protect against.

      And that's on top of the normal idiocy about 'bad digital signals' that everyone else here automatically realized.

      This is idiotic on so many levels it's a shining paradigm of dumbness. It uses incorrect terminology to propose non-functional solutions to problems that don't exist anyway, and even if they could be 'solved' that way, it would be less of a solution than just doing things normally.

      Let's try this with cars:

      'Jet-black styrofoam rear-view mirror covers protect the car from drifting into oncoming traffic due to the photon pressure from the sun.'

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      If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
    10. Re:Oblig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL! Read some of the reviews
       

      I tried lower priced digital optical cables the Dynex brand and I noticed some sound dropping out, once I switched over to these cables there was no problems. The sound never dropped out and it seems overall the quality is better.

    11. Re:Oblig by mogness · · Score: 0

      hahaha check out the amazon-attributes for that thing:
      Dimensional rift preventability
      Cure cancer
      Noose
      Dishwasher safe
      Tow capacity
      Wolf powers
      Ability to waste money
      Conduitivity for flux
      Paranormal dj skills
      Durability for jump rope
      Satisfy my wife
      Ability to become self aware
      Channel demons from hell
      Invincibility
      Summon tuscon whole milk
      Pure copper shiznit inside

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      that's teh shizzle bizzle
    12. Re:Oblig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back when the transition from VCR to DVD was occurring, Blockbuster DVD jewel cases still had the sticker saying "Be kind, rewind!" on them.

    13. Re:Oblig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't wait 'til they start selling this one...

      http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3429.asp

      Even comes with handy arrows to indicate the direction in which the internets travel.

  15. HD Guru website claims Bogus "Copyright date" by red456 · · Score: 0

    Fewer than two minutes after HDGuru criticised Best Buy for their sloppily worded '3d glasses sync offer', its latest webpage (check the bottom of the submission page) claims an invalid copyright date. The webpage states a copyright date of 2008. The website's only problem is that it's now 2010 and there is no such thing as authoring content in 2010 and then claiming a copyright date of 2008.

    We await HDGuru's corporate response to this hilarity.

    1. Re:HD Guru website claims Bogus "Copyright date" by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh man. You really blew the top off of that sinister conspiracy. And to think that the vile "neglecting to update your CMS's generic footer so that you end up claiming a copyright two years shorter than the one you actually get" cartel was about to really cash in...

    2. Re:HD Guru website claims Bogus "Copyright date" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and how is that different from Best Buy forgetting to update their generic 3d-tv installation offer? a lot of 3d TVs require 'syncing' with their glasses. I've got a Samsung 3d TV that requires syncing - it even has a '3d tv sync out' socket. The user manual even has a section on how to change 'sync settings' if the 3d doesn't work properly.

    3. Re:HD Guru website claims Bogus "Copyright date" by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Well, let's see:

      HDGuru's mistake has virtually no chance of providing them with any sort of gain, material or otherwise. If their articles are works for hire, there will be a two year window 95 years from now when they might conceivably be able to sue somebody who was misled into thinking that it was published in 2008 rather than 2010. If their articles are owned by the individual bloggers, even that won't matter, it's death of author+70 years. Either way, the footer is essentially irrelevant, definitely financially irrelevant, which makes mistakes in it largely irrelevant as well. By contrast, "mistakes" that have a substantial likelihood of being valuable, particularly monetarily, to the people who make them face a much stronger presumption of guilt, and(even if innocent) are still more serious.

      The second reason is just structural. If the CMS that HDGuru is using is like just about every other CMS out there, which is likely, the footer is automatically pulled from some config file and slapped on to every page generated. Most people submitting content to the CMS have no control or involvement in footer generation. Even(as might well be the case in a small operation) if the webmaster is also an article submitter, submitting an article and fiddling with footer text are two very separate operations. When building an ad, by contrast, all elements of the ad have to be assembled into the final image for delivery to wherever the ad is going to be run. Some may well be recycled from earlier sources, and there are almost certainly multiple people involved; but it is very unlikely that a script just programmatically splashed some no-longer-accurate text on the bottom of the ad after the humans had checked it over.

      Mistakes do happen; but Best Buy has a, shall we say, certain history of selling dubiously-useful-to-borderline-fraudulent "services" to try to bolster their otherwise thin margins on commodity consumer electronics. When a "mistake" occurs in advertising material, "unintentionally implying" the need for another such service, eyebrows are raised.

  16. Amazon has a better deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    You can get the 46" LED Samsung with the starter kit at Amazon for around $2,200.00. Best of all you don't have to deal with the Dweb Squad.

    http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UN46C7000-46-Inch-1080p-Black/dp/B0036WT4EC/ref=pd_ecc_rvi_cart_1

  17. Features - Advantages - Benefits by BlueBoxSW.com · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Here's how marketing people work...

    They identify the features of a product, translate that into an advantage, then translate that into a benefit.

    People buy benefits, they don't buy features (most people anyway).

    So, if you have some commercial software package that zips the reports, it might go like this:

    Feature: zip tool

    Advantage: compress and encrypt

    Benefit: Secure and quickly transmit your reports

    In this case, they're trying to justify their Geek setup services:

    Feature: 3d glasses delivery and setup

    Advantage: not worrying about compatibility

    Benefit: Sync your 3D glasses to your TV

    Sure, it's not accurate, but marketing people don't always know the fine details of what they are talking about. If they did, they would be techies.

    As programmers/developers/techies, we hate to deal in Benefits. They are so hard to quantify and define. We like to deal in features, which can be validated (it's there and it works, or it's not there or doesn't work).

  18. There IS one setting by cowtamer · · Score: 1

    Usually there's an "invert" button on the IR emitter to swap left/right eye -- you should press this if things look 3D, but horribly wrong somehow (or if the scene gets better when you turn the 3D glasses upside down and look through them).

    All verbal confusion aside, it's good that they are offering a setup service -- while the setup on the devices is not that complicated, it's a bit less trivial than programming a VCR. I could see a lot of inexperienced users (which is 99.999% of the population at this point in history) banging their head against the wall.

    For example, on one Samsung model, only one HDMI input supports 3D, the TV has to be specifically switched to 3D mode, the emitter has to be hooked up to the right place, IR interference from other sources must be eliminated, etc.

    1. Re:There IS one setting by formfeed · · Score: 1

      Usually there's an "invert" button on the IR emitter to swap left/right eye

      Now, that is one good reason why I will never use 3d glasses!

    2. Re:There IS one setting by mapinguari · · Score: 1

      a bit less trivial than programming a VCR.

      What is this "VCR" that you speak of? Programmable, I take it. What languages does it support?

    3. Re:There IS one setting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HTML?
      <BLINK>12:00</BLINK>

    4. Re:There IS one setting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy crap, that just made my day!

  19. 3d is a scam period by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    was in the 50's is today

  20. Submitter doesn't understand stereoscopics by Culture20 · · Score: 1

    No matter whether I'm dealing with polarization (some lenses in glasses in same batches are reversed or rotated), or LCD shutters, I've never seen a "3D" setup where the some of the glasses don't require a little tweaking; there is rarely automatic success.

  21. can't both be true... by Slurpee · · Score: 1, Troll
    The offer's only problem is that there is no such thing as syncing 3D glasses. They sync automatically."

    Both these statements can't be true. If the glasses sync automatically, then there is such a thing as syncing 3D glasses.

    The real question is, considering that the glasses sync automatically, should they be advertise this as a service they provide.

    Most likely not.

    1. Re:can't both be true... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, both statements can be true.

      'Truth' has a different meaning depending on context.

      Technical: Truth = Provable Factual Correctness
      Advertising: Truth = Belief
      Legal: Truth = Interpretation of the Judge or Jury based on presented arguments

      Things get tricky when objectivity and subjectivity in relation to the topic aren't considered when defining what 'truth' means at the moment. If it's not, the word the 'word' truth becomes 'wordy' rather than a simple word.

      Not everything can be broken down into a black/white reductionist conclusion (the definition of right vs. wrong) nor is everything a grey area that is open to interpretation (the speed of light in a vacuum).

      Is that last statement technically correct because its a black/white conclusion or is it wrong because it doesn't allow for legal grey space wiggle-room, trying to lump everything under the same set of rules?

      I think I know what is missing: common sense and forethought from those that make LEGALLY BINDING (grey area decisions) regarding TECHNICAL (black/white issues).

      If it were easy, the perfect code of law as well as the perfect tech would have already been invented. The issue is the divide between the two realms itself rather than the nuance from instance to instance where the essence is ultimately the same: in what context is the word 'truth' being used AT THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT?

      I'll ARGUE that I've REDUCED the debate to the it's ultimate, FACTUAL truth though its possible you might BELIEVE I'm wrong...

      See what I mean?

  22. I say by thewils · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    No need to sync the glasses thanks - now knock off a hundred and fifty bucks from your price.

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    Once I was a four stone apology. Now I am two separate gorillas.
  23. Nothing New...Same Best Buy Different Product by grapeape · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This type of thing has been going on for months, try walking into a best buy and buying an "on sale" notebook that doesnt have a $39 Geek Squad "optimized" sticker on it. I tried a couple months back when an Acer was on sale that I wanted for my son, after arguing with the sales guy who told me they were basically unusable without it I left. Instead of a notebook I walked out with frustration and a determination to never step foot in a best buy again.

    1. Re:Nothing New...Same Best Buy Different Product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GeekSquad no longer offers optimization.
      Stop shitting on something that isn't offered anymore.

    2. Re:Nothing New...Same Best Buy Different Product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      You're making a mistake. Shops such as these are not trying to sell the thing you want to buy. They're trying to sell the high-profit spurious crap that goes with them.

      All shops such as this have targets to meet. They need to make sure that x per cent of their stuff is sold with the add-ons. They get a bonus the higher the ratio of product:crap.

      If they sell 100 laptops a week, but only 50 of them have the added insurance or "optimisation" or installation or whatever, they get 50% and a stern telling off.

      If they sell 50 laptops in a week but all 50 of them have a high-profit bolt on, they get 100% and a hefty bonus. The employees will get MUCH more money for selling fewer products if a higher percentage of what they actually do sell has the bolt-on.

      I used to work for Time Computers - for approximately 2 weeks back in the late 90's - as a sales monkey. The wheezes there were astonishing. You'd sell a desktop for £1,500, but the punter didn't want the insurance. So - you'd start typing their details into the sales computer and one of your colleagues would sneak out to the router and pull the plug for your PC, giving a nice "CONNECTION LOST" message on screen. You'd tilt the monitor to the punter and say "ah, right.... We seem to be having trouble" - you'd go out the back and make a big show of calling your area manager - pretend, of course - shouting at him about how you were losing sales because the network guys/telco/whoever were being incompetent. You'd then wrap up saying that something outside of your control had happened; they could either come back the next day when the system was back up, or they could dial the call-centre direct on the 0845 number - here, use our phone. That way the call-centre got the "no-profit" sale, not our shop. Not surprisingly, I got another job as soon as I could.

    3. Re:Nothing New...Same Best Buy Different Product by anonymous+cupboard · · Score: 1

      Should be upvoted more - many shops do this, sell a product at a nominally "low" price but then rely on add-ons like meteor-strike insurance or phantom "setup/calibration" fees. To the point they even try to scare customers or magically run out of stock.

  24. Best Buy, not the best at all by spun · · Score: 5, Informative

    Best Buy is the worst of all the computer/tv/tech stores I've purchased from. They charge for ridiculous 'products' and 'services' that are little more than outright scams. They have been indicted for some of them. Their prices are terrible, and they outright lie about matching others prices. This IS NOT your usual non-techy "I bought the wrong part" or techy "I know better than you" complaint. The complaints against Best Buy have to do with their criminal behavior.

    http://consumerist.com/2007/05/best-buy-employee-confesses-to-scams-similar-to-ones-outlined-in-racketeering-lawsuit.html

    http://bestbuyscam.blogspot.com/

    http://digg.com/tech_news/Yet_just_another_Best_Buy_scam

    http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/11/04/best-buy-scams-hdtv.html

    http://gizmodo.com/241220/best-buy-admits-they-scam-in+store-customers-with-secret-website

    http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bar-tender/2009/10/lawsuit-best-buy-lies.html

    http://www.gpsmagazine.com/2007/03/buyer_beware_best_buy_caught_t.php

    Seriously, Best Buy is evil. Do not shop at Best Buy.

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    1. Re:Best Buy, not the best at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. I also find the same thing with Futureshop, who will not give me a windows disk with my computer because it's OEM licensed... oh really? It's illegal to give consumers OEM install disks you say? Then why do I get them from other high volume retailers like Dell and why can I buy OEM disks straight from newegg? Bullshit. They just want to sell more retail disks to people who think they need to re-install their OS to fix their computer. Maybe they're even selling pirated versions of windows, thus not having the extra disks to send! Or maybe they're too cheap to ship the disks when they use bandwidth on disk images.

      Anyways, back on topic... It seems that technical retailers, much like auto-mechanics and used car retailers, have some lewd reason to run their businesses like this. Money? Most definitely.

      It seems that people with some level of autism tend more towards the technical fields and are more anti-social. Please tell me that it's just not that people are confusing aspergers with psychopaths. What did I miss that has left me in this illusion?

    2. Re:Best Buy, not the best at all by techdavis · · Score: 2, Informative

      Future Shop is Best Buy Canada. Best Buy purchased Future Shop in 2001. But Future Shop has NOTHING to do with not providing you with the Windows disc - it is not like they build the computers. They are packaged by the likes of eMachines, Hewlett-Packard and so on - it is not the retailer that is not providing it, it is the manufacturer. Go to London Drugs or Staples and you will have the EXACT same experience. Legally, the OEM discs are only available with a hardware purchase - if Newegg or others sell you one without selling hardware at the same time, they are breaking licensing agreements, and could get their MS software pulled completely from their stock by MS. You want the discs? Build your own damn computer. I just got a Dell for my wife - guess what? No disc. There is a utility to create a backup disc, but no DVD. Back to the topic at hand - $150 to deliver and set up a TV, blu-ray and 3D glasses? Not bad, really. What is delivery and an hour of labor worth? $150 just seems fair to me. I wouldn't pay it, but then I am the family tech that gets the call to set up everyone's computer or TV for them.

    3. Re:Best Buy, not the best at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another "Scam" they have is their sales circular. They put something on sale and the ad for it takes up the entire front page of their weekly ad. When you get to the store, you find out that the two they in stock had were sold four minutes after they opened Sunday morning and they have no plans to get any more for the rest of the time the item is on sale, no method of getting something similar for an equal discount, and no rainchecks. Why pay to take up and entire page of your ad for a product you have an inventory average of two per store? This is not illegal but it is definitely misleading and taking advantage or the customers, borderline bait and switch.

    4. Re:Best Buy, not the best at all by IKnwThePiecesFt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Every single item in the ad has an ad minimum listed next to it. Every single store has at least that many of the item on hand on Sunday morning.

      There are seriously people waiting outside of many Best Buy's on Sunday morning for them to open in order to snag all of the ad product.

      It's not a scam, it's vultures.

      --Former Best Buy employee (with little love left for them, but even less left for FUD)

    5. Re:Best Buy, not the best at all by IKnwThePiecesFt · · Score: 3, Informative

      I read through the first two of your links from start to finish and I have to call bullshit. Specifically, I even worked with Steven Byers (the general manager named in the second link) and while he was a total dick, he would never have sent a customer to the warehouse. For that matter, NO ONE would send a customer to a warehouse. Best Buy has a specific process (Customer Fulfillment) that is set up for just such a situation (store has no stock but warehouse does).

      The way it works is, guess what, the warehouse delivers the product to the customer at no charge. Or it gets delivered to store and the customer can pick it up if that's more convenient.

      When you have a customer base as large as they do, of course there's going to be some bad interactions. That said, not everything on the internet is true.

    6. Re:Best Buy, not the best at all by sporkme · · Score: 1

      When I worked as a tech for an independent computer shop, we constantly got people coming in bitching about how Best Buy Geek Squad had ripped them off, failed to fix their problem or made the problem worse. The most amusing case was when some mouth breather over there snapped off a clip from the heat sink retainer. Instead of ordering a replacement retainer (or buying it used from me for five bucks) he used 20 bucks worth of thermal compound in an attempt to glue the sink to the processor die.

      I am pretty sure this was socket A (image):
      http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/84/picture053z.jpg

      We opted to order a new mobo, CPU and cooler new from the manufacturer, even though we had plenty of spares. Having billed Best Buy several times the value of the system for parts and labor, we built the customer a new system at cost plus 5% or 10%.

      After the computer shop closed, I applied for a position at Geek Squad for interim employment. I was rejected on grounds that I was overqualified. What an operation.

    7. Re:Best Buy, not the best at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact that they have only two per store is a methodical plan to drive people to the store with a product BestBuy knows will be gone Sunday morning at 8am and they know they will not be getting any more that week. People will filter in all week looking for that item on sale and BestBuy hopes they will buy something else instead. It is a legal way to use bait and switch. Most stores anticipate the volume of a sale product and try to have enough to meet the demand or will at least work with you for a comparable item. BestBuy is the exact opposite and the sale item is a scam to get you in there.

    8. Re:Best Buy, not the best at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a coincidence...someone who works/worked high up in Best Buy claims that all the complaints are false...

    9. Re:Best Buy, not the best at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I haven't bought from Worst Buy for YEARS.... yes literally years, because of their shady tactics and high pressure sales. So when I read that they were turning it around and converting to a non-commissioned sales environment, I thought i'd give them another try.

      Well things haven't changed, I actually had a guy trying to sell me the Purchase Protection Plan and encouraging me to break the touch screen on the GPS before the warranty period on the PSP plan is finished, and that way, I'll be "investing" in a new GPS!

      I doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the place is still shady as all ****.

      Stay away from Best Buy, unless you want a sore ass when you leave the store.

    10. Re:Best Buy, not the best at all by IKnwThePiecesFt · · Score: 1

      Yeahhhh ad minimums for things like laptops were usually 12+ if not 20+ and rain checks were generally available.

      In fact, about a year ago, they dropped doing "sales" on laptops and went to flat pricing to avoid this exact complaint.

      So go ahead, keep being ignorant.

  25. Best buy should be burned to the ground by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Time for new competition.

  26. Re:Some Helpful 3D Hints that I'll Give Away for $ by djdanlib · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wait, wait, you need to paint the room matte black so those photons don't bounce off the wall and enter the wrong lens by mistake! That's why they make the screen border and all your home stereo equipment black, you know!

    If the 3D effect isn't working, make sure the cable isn't kinked. (Like a garden hose, it causes data flow problems if the cable is kinked.) If you're using the component cables, they have to be rotated JUST RIGHT or it doesn't work. I know it's a hassle, but spend the time and you'll get the absolute best picture you can get!

    *tips hat to parent poster

  27. lol by Charliemopps · · Score: 4, Insightful

    3D TV = Laser disc. 10 years from now we'll see these things sitting in goodwill and laugh our asses off.

    1. Re:lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      3D TV = Laser disc.

      10 years from now we'll see these things sitting in goodwill and laugh our asses off.

      Insightful? Laserdisks survived 25 years and were extremely popular among hardcore film fans. I still wish I had my Laser collection, it paid rent one month. Look at it this way it out lived 5 1/4" and 3 1/2" floppy disks combined as a format and there are still laser fans. It was a fantastic format and many of the specialty disks still were far better than any DVD I've ever seen. Just because the format is no longer supported doesn't mean it was a bad idea. I watched some stunning images and sound while all the "smart" people were watching VHS tapes. I'm not a fan of 3D TV but I'll always be a laserdisk fan.

    2. Re:lol by Soporific · · Score: 1

      I haven't seen either yet, but I would think James Cameron and his warehouses of cash would disagree with you. Though, that's what I thought when I first heard of Avatar.

      ~S

  28. Re:Some Helpful 3D Hints that I'll Give Away for $ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    bullshit IS source of income.

    Global Climate Change!!!! The CLIMATE CHANGES!!!

    I've seen a $2.2bn project add an additional $1.5m worth of solar panels to get an additional Federal grant worth $17m.

    My client was making the arrangements to get the Federal funding.

    My client charges > $35,000 a month for these services.

  29. Nothing new by ooshna · · Score: 1

    When I was 13 I went there to buy RAM for my computer and when i asked the guy to get it out of the case for me he told me I needed to pay to have them install it. I asked him why and he told me they had to configure my system to use more memory. I think it was a 64mb of some pc100 but anyways it didn't sound right so I said nevermind and didn't buy it. Then went and asked a friends motherhow to. thank god i didn't pay that extra $40

  30. Poor choice of koolaid. by fyngyrz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Inasmuch as these aren't actual 3d displays such as this or this, but simply stereo displays, very limited single-perspective (same as 2d) "flat-image-per-eye" technology from about 1900 or so, it seems somewhat beside the point to complain about entities marketing installation with the word "sync."

    The market has already looked at the jug, poured the koolaid in its mouth, and swallowed it entirely on its own. There's little point in claiming they didn't want any koolaid.

    It's 3D if the display offers more than one viewing angle, composite or not. Or to put it in a way that even the most uninformed consumer can grasp, if a one-eyed person (or a person with one eye closed) can view the object in the perspectives we expect from the real world, it's actually there to perceive. That's something worth characterizing as 3D display.

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    1. Re:Poor choice of koolaid. by Thinboy00 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sounds like head tracking to me.

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    2. Re:Poor choice of koolaid. by Shompol · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A one-eyed person does not see objects in 3-D, by definition. Now, if they managed to successfully market and sell 3D TVs to one-eyed customers, that would be a completely different perspective!

    3. Re:Poor choice of koolaid. by Laser+Dan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Inasmuch as these aren't actual 3d displays ... but simply stereo displays, very limited single-perspective (same as 2d) "flat-image-per-eye"

      It's 3D if the display offers more than one viewing angle, composite or not. Or to put it in a way that even the most uninformed consumer can grasp, if a one-eyed person (or a person with one eye closed) can view the object in the perspectives we expect from the real world, it's actually there to perceive. That's something worth characterizing as 3D display.

      A one eyed person (or a person with one eye closed) DOES see things with a "very limited single-perspective (same as 2d) "flat-image-per-eye"".

      Our eyes don't do any magic, take two photos an eye-distance apart and display one to each eye and you CANNOT tell the difference between the "real 3D" scene and the stereoscopic image unless you move around. Sitting stationary in front of a 3D TV gives a perfectly sufficient 3D effect.

      The "true 3D" displays you mention aren't really that useful. Moving your head around to see parts of a display (within the limits of where you can reach) is vastly inferior to observing a stereoscopic display and changing the viewing position/angle/zoom with a mouse or other device.

      That said, I am really not looking forward to 3D-extreme-pop-out-in-your-face advertising.

    4. Re:Poor choice of koolaid. by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      ... Which would only be possible with true 3D (unless you consider the new "3D" DS as being 3D. Yes, there's occlusion, yes, there's perspective, yes, there's headtracking, but everything is still behind the "fourth wall").

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    5. Re:Poor choice of koolaid. by uglyduckling · · Score: 1

      Actually, yes they do. By moving their head around, they can appreciate different perspectives of the same object. A true 3D display would allow one to see the object in different ways by moving around. Current '3D' motion pictures give an illusion of depth, but it is fixed with respect to the viewer and therefore not truly 3D. A one-eyed person would be able to appreciate head-tracking 3D because they would see the view change as they moved their head.

    6. Re:Poor choice of koolaid. by Thinboy00 · · Score: 1

      Oh, you want Star Wars?

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  31. Its a genuinely helpful service by JustNiz · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wearing the glasses upside-down or the wrong way round would cause incorrect left/right shutter sync and resultant loss of 3D effect.

    Anyone that would buy a TV from Best Buy must have limited intelligence, so Best Buy thoughtfully provide the glasses-sync service where they permanently epoxy the glasses to your head in the comfort of your own home. This value-for-money service prevents later user-error so ensures users will always get the full "amazing experience".

    This helpful service is already under attack from other tv manufacturers as they have identified it as anticompetitive due to the implicit vendor lock-in following installation.

    1. Re:Its a genuinely helpful service by cynyr · · Score: 1

      not always, but those who shop bestbuy certainly. If you can find a samsung xyz model TV there for cheeper why not buy from them?

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    2. Re:Its a genuinely helpful service by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      >> If you can find a samsung xyz model TV there for cheeper why not

      Because you cant. ever.
      They charge a hefty price premium and continue to get away with it only because many people are too dumb to shop around.

  32. Oh my. by Noland150 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I hope this doesn't hurt the Geek Squad's reputation.

    1. Re:Oh my. by galaxia26 · · Score: 1

      Geek Squad's reputation is already damaged by the horrible experiences. The problem with customer service companies is that only the BAD ever get posted or mentioned anywhere. It's the good and great that often go unnoticed because the customer's have no need to vent frustrations.

      At least at my store, the technicians are capable. I've seen some other geek squad's do stupid, stupid things and thought to myself "So this is why we have such a bad name..." Then I realize that some things are unpreventable. Things DO happen, so I've worked with my fellow agents and strive personally to be better, and to increase the number of people who have a POSITIVE GS experience.

      On our customer satisfaction surveys, I receive nearly constant 100% satisfaction ratings, or even if it's a 0% satisfaction in service because I wasn't able to solve the problem, I ALWAYS get good comments on my interaction and explanations. I won't stop working with a customer until I have done everything I can to SOLVE for the customer.

  33. .. this isn't even news. by drunkennewfiemidget · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seriously -- you have to be on glue to buy shit from that big box store in the first place.

    1. Re:.. this isn't even news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It still makes sense to buy items brick and mortar if they offer prices competitive to those online. For example, I bought a 40" Samsung LCD from them a few weeks ago; the TV was being clearanced and the price was significantly cheaper than any online. Buying from Best Buy meant that I had the TV that day, and I could check it for bad pixels right away. Any problems and it would be far easier to return than shipping.

    2. Re:.. this isn't even news. by surferx0 · · Score: 1

      If you know what you want, and the price is right (and it is sometimes, other times it isn't), why would you not buy something from there?

      If you are so smart, what do you even need a knowledgeable salesperson for anyway? The knowledge behind their marketing and salespeople shouldn't make a damn bit of difference to any of us as we do our own research and already know what we are buying.

      Just go in and buy your shit, you don't have to make it into some self righteous crusade that exists nowhere but in your own head.

    3. Re:.. this isn't even news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your looking for the higher price... your getting a "best buy"

      Now if they get all the Geek Squad people to actually wear high water pants that would be worth $150.00!!!

    4. Re:.. this isn't even news. by drunkennewfiemidget · · Score: 1

      My comment isn't about brick-and-mortar. It's about the big box stores and their lack of knowledge, their turnover, their lack of customer service, and their muscling out of smaller, local competitors.

      Buy your TV from a local mom & pop shop -- some still exist. The likelihood that you'll be able to talk to the same guy about it in a year should you have an issue is much higher, the customer service you'll find is infintely better, and you get to keep some money in your local economy. Sure it might cost a little more, but when they're not trying to jam worthless 'extended service plans' down your throat, it's worth the premium.

    5. Re:.. this isn't even news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got my last camera at Best Buy. List was $200 and prices on the internet were about that. It was $150 at Best Buy. Why would I want to pay $250 to buy it from a mom & pop place? Extended service plans? Just say "No." If they don't take "No", I say I never buy them because Consumer Reports says they are a waste of money. I've never had to say any more. I don't want a relationship with my stores. That's what girls are for.

  34. Not consistent with the Geek Squad response by seeker_1us · · Score: 1

    Blue shirt one said the glasses need to be synced with the Blu-ray player. The second geek referred to the 3D glasses needing to sync to the player via the USB port within the glasses, an impossible feat as there is no USB port on the glasses. The third stated the need to acquire the glasses’ IP address to sync with the Blu-ray player. There is no IP address for 3D glasses; they have no connectivity to the Internet or network. The Samsung battery powered glasses “sync” to the 3D content wirelessly via an infra-red pulse emitted by the TV.

    We contacted Best Buy’s media relations department and asked why the company offers a fictional service. We are still awaiting a response.

  35. Canadians are better at BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "24K Gold plating offers better corrosion resistance and enhanced signal transfer."

    http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/rocketfish-4-1-2m-fibre-optic-digital-audio-cable-rf-g1118/10075024.aspx?path=d5374e02b265182cb54d79c46ce83898en02

  36. they're gonna teach us how to see 3D images. by porky_pig_jr · · Score: 1

    How to synchronize both eyes. Even after a few shots of Stoli.

  37. Just a scam, really. by spun · · Score: 1

    By offering a service that does not exist, Best Buy attempts to confuse people who may well be perfectly capable of setting up their home theater system into believing that they don't know enough to do it. Imagine if you will a fairly smart person who has a basic knowledge of home A/V systems. They read this ad and see that Best Buy will 'sync their 3d glasses.' They are pretty sure they can do everything else, after all, they have for every other home A/V system they've owned. But there's that 'sync the glasses' bit. Maybe they even try to look up the procedure... but there isn't one. So they go, "what the hell, might as well pay Best Buy the $150, I just want to watch 3D movies."

    And I'm sorry, but $150 for delivery and installation? That in and of itself is a scam. In any case, the advantage of "not worrying about compatibility" should come free whenever you buy your components from a reputable, knowledgeable, and professional retail establishment. If you want to pay less and you can educate yourself about compatibility, you can always order online. The only real benefit of brick and mortar stores these days is immediate gratification and/or professional advice.

    Oh! And clearance sale items, haha, he writes on the computer he put together out of a discount Compaq tower he found at... Best Buy, for $300. If you don't let their idiotic sales force steer you off a cliff, you can, occasionally, find good bargains there.

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    1. Re:Just a scam, really. by BlueBoxSW.com · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and drinking Dr. Pepper won't REALLY make you a doctor.

  38. Never thought I'd say this... by assemblerex · · Score: 1

    but I miss Circuit City. At least there was competition to provide unsatisfactory service, now it's a dissatisfaction monopoly.
    Yes I know their online corpse lives on, but it's just a frontend for tigerdirect I think.

  39. Re:Some Helpful 3D Hints that I'll Give Away for $ by jd2112 · · Score: 1

    If you're using the component cables, they have to be rotated JUST RIGHT or it doesn't work. I know it's a hassle, but spend the time and you'll get the absolute best picture you can get!

    You can't use component cable! You need a specially calibrated Monster HDMI cable now on sale for $99.95!!! Anything less will provide a sub-optimal viewing experience and void your warranty.

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  40. Best Buy full of lies, and no care about customers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you dont know how many times they try sell me shit i dont want/need. I dont even want help and they keep talking. I have also been lied to when i ask questions. Best buy is the worst place to buy anything, i wish they go out of business, only thing if that happens they there is no other big electronic store in my state. Only get Sears (which i trust more). I several times went to buy a part for a customer and the store was slow, i ask someone where the part is as I am in a rush and they just say "over there" pointing in some general area and no help at all.
     

  41. Re:Worst Buy by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

    I was just out shopping for a utilitarian laptop. I just need something with a screen big enough to see, and a keyboard that I could touch type on.

        CompUSA, Best Buy, Staples, Office Depot, WalMart, Target. Best Buy happened to have the best deal. Of course, they first pushed me to accept an upsell. "No, I want this one." Next, they pushed me for the "optimized" version. The only ones on the floor were optimized. They pushed again, and I told them, "As soon as I get home, I'm backing up the install partition, wiping the drive, and putting on Linux." The guy wasn't totally confused, but he pushed for me to accept the wonders of Windows, so I would appreciate my experience more. {sigh} Grudgingly, he went, got the ladder, and got one of the non-optimized ones from a secured cage where a customer couldn't possibly accidentally take one to checkout. It wasn't for security. There were several "optimized" versions sitting right under the display where a customer could just pick it up and go unmolested.

        No, I don't want to get a carrying case too. I don't want the laptop starter kit with wireless mouse and other crap I don't need.

        From there, I had to go to the tech counter where they checked me out. "So, you want 6 months of free anti-virus, right?". Nope. "I already have that taken care of I told him, just to avoid the longer conversation. Two more prompts, and he realized I wasn't going to accept the upsell.

        If I didn't need it fast, I would have ordered it online instead, and not had to refuse the plethora of upsells attempts.

        In the end, I got the laptop, at the listed price, without anything extra, and as soon as I got home, I made the restore disks, and installed Slackware. It's working great. :)

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  42. Wait... no pairing? by marciot · · Score: 1

    You meant there is no pairing between the TV and the 3D glasses? What happens if I am watching 3D porn while my prude neighbor is watching Glen Beck in 3D, and all of a sudden the signals on our 3D glasses get crossed?

    That would be *entirely* unacceptable -- having Glen Beck invade my private moment, that is.

    1. Re:Wait... no pairing? by anup_at_mac · · Score: 0

      while my prude neighbor is watching Glen Beck in 3D

      That's also porn.

  43. Re:Worst Buy by Khyber · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Your first response should be "Any attempt at upselling will automatically cancel any interest I have in purchasing from your store."

    If he persists you say "You are now harassing me and I will call the police if you do not stop."

    After that, they pretty much will leave you alone and do exactly what you say.

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  44. Remind me by sjames · · Score: 1

    How is what Best Buy does routinely any different than the guy on the street corner selling genuine Onega (not mis-spelled) watches? And why doesn't anyone at Best Buy go to jail or at least get routinely discouraged by the cops but the street corner guy does?

    1. Re:Remind me by cdrguru · · Score: 1

      Best Buy bought a license from the city to fleece people, the guy on the corner didn't. In most jurisdictions that alone is enough to get you some time in a courtroom. Nobody is going to jail, but there is likely a fine.

      Oh, and the city doesn't offer business licenses to people that stand on street corners.

  45. Sure we have issues, BUT. by galaxia26 · · Score: 1

    I'd just like to throw in my two cents as per the bestbuyscam blog linked in the previous post.

    I work at the store mentioned in that post, and I'm appalled at what took place. Thankfully, since that incident, things have been done to rectify behavior like that.

    I will admit that some things do happen, but I've also seen managers bend over backwards in a contortionist fashion, sometimes losing several thousand dollars worth of merchandise, just because a customer was respectful of the mistake. Attitude means everything, and with my store, we have PRIDE in that we SOLVE for the customer, regardless of the immediate hit. In our minds, the relationship is worth it. The associate's primary goal is to make money, yes, but the same can be said of any retail store. What's different about this store is that the management learns from the mistakes of customer loss and WILL strive to make it right.

    I can attest that most of the time, and this is from my own personal experience, and how policy has been since I started there in October, that the ASSOCIATE can now solve for the customer, and the manager's only job is to ensure that the solution is right for both the customer AND the store.

    I'm legally not permitted to speak for the company, since I am just an associate, so this isn't an official representation, this is just what I'm seeing, what I've experienced, and hopefully what I've influenced. I have pride in my store and the people I work with... most of them. There are a few people that are still so worried about the money that they won't solve for the customer every time, but that's why, as an associate, I contact the managers I know will do the RIGHT thing, not the PROFITABLE thing. I just want to throw it out there that the customer experience is almost entirely based upon how the customer reacts.

    Instead of demanding to speak with another manager, ask if you can get a second opinion for your peace of mind. It works the other way, too, I know, which is why in many situations when dealing with a customer, I too try to be as courteous and polite as I can.

    I hope my post can make an impact on the opinions of my store in particular.

    1. Re:Sure we have issues, BUT. by spun · · Score: 1

      Personally, I just ignore you guys. No insult intended, and I'm glad you take pride in your work. You're probably one of the most knowledgeable guys there. But I'm not rolling the dice to see if I get you or Mouthbreathy McGee.

      IMHO, the corruption comes from the top. If you get a good manager, regional manager, etc., then maybe you're store will be halfway honest. Otherwise, it's scamsville.

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      - None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
  46. Re:Worst Buy by JWSmythe · · Score: 2, Insightful

        Threats don't generally work as well as you'd think. A threat to call the police may invite you a quick exit from the store.

        I'm just satisfied that I bought their loss leader without any upsells, which means they lost money on the sale. :)

        The one I got didn't come with Bluetooth, and they wanted something like $60 for a USB bluetooth receiver. I went over to CompUSA when I was done, and spent $20 on one. :) (and yes, I'm in one of the markets where CompUSA still has stores)

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    Serious? Seriousness is well above my pay grade.
  47. Re:Worst Buy by Khyber · · Score: 1

    "Threats don't generally work as well as you'd think."

    The trick is tact, a firm tone, and a voice of authority at all times. Especially useful is whipping out certification cards and employee ID badges to the corporations whose product they are trying to hawk.

    Whip out the Solectron HP Repair Team Lead badge, BB employees shut up when I tell them to quit taking nonsense to me.

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    Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
  48. Re:Worst Buy by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

        Thinking about it, when I've stopped by in the past when leaving one of the many datacenters I've worked in, they tend not to sell me on stuff if I forget to take my badges off. :) I guess when you have a dozen proxcards with some notable companies on the ones facing out, that's a clue that I know exactly what I'm shopping for and to just let me buy it. :)

        Since I don't work the DC's any more, I just have cards and it'd be silly to carry them around. Maybe I'll doctor myself up a CIA or NSA ID card, and "accidentally" let it show when I'm looking for something else in my pockets. :) Nah, that's probably the best idea. I don't like jail all that much. :)

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    Serious? Seriousness is well above my pay grade.
  49. Re:Worst Buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What is this, the assburgers guide to annoying retail workers? I expect you people to be dorks but holy shit, at least pretend you've heard of society when you choose to enter into it.

  50. BB Training by freeze128 · · Score: 1

    Just last weekend, I stopped in my local BB and asked one of their droids about the 3D capabilities of their merch. The blue shirt showed me to a Panasonic setup, and I tried on the glasses. I have a Samsung DLP TV that has a 3D port on the side of it for connecting an IR transmitter for some glasses, and I asked him if they have any transmitters for it. In the process of talking with him, I can tell you that he had no grasp of the technology involved. He couldn't tell me for sure if the glasses receive the signal from the bluray player or the TV. When I prodded him for a more detailed answer, he couldn't even say that the glasses were controlled by infrared. He just said that they were "wireless". Well, DUH! I can see that they're wireless because there is no wire connecting them to the equipment. The term "Wireless" describes way too many different types of transmission: Infrared, Wireless Cell phone, Bluetooth, WiFi, etc. When I asked him where he got this information, he said that he read some training info about it.

    Wouldn't you think that training material would explain the technology involved?

  51. I for one don't care. by scubamage · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Honestly, I don't. To me its funny because I know better. It reminds me of the "egress" trick PT Barnum played on customers, granted in his circumstance it was more to get people to leave an overcrowded museum. Honestly what ever happened to caveat emptor? Its an optional service. Do some damn research and for god sake don't pay for it. If you've done the research to get such high end equipment go the extra mile to see what is necessary to configure it. What ever happened to informed decision making? If I'm laying out that kind of cash you can be damn well sure that I'm going to know every single piece of equipment down to whether or not the individual ports are gold plated. Bravo Best Buy, while its scheister-iffic, I applaud your idiot tax.

    1. Re:I for one don't care. by TheLuggs · · Score: 1

      Even worse, its not optional, it free (a $150 value) and still they complain...

    2. Re:I for one don't care. by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Honestly what ever happened to caveat emptor?

      So you're ok with con artists and fraudsters?

  52. Awfully narrow definition... by SheeEttin · · Score: 1

    People use the term "sync" when it has nothing to do with synchronization. When you "sync" your smartphone you're not doing anything that relates to time, you're just copying data to be the same in both places.

    You're using an awfully narrow definition of "synchronize". While yes, its origin is probably in terms of time (hence the "-chron-"), the modern use is more like "to make two (or more) objects contain the same information", as in synchronization between a computer and mobile device. You are copying the data either from the one to the other to make them homogeneous.
    As with Bluetooth pairings: you are copying identifying information from one device to the other (I'm not very familiar with the details of Bluetooth, though, so I don't know exactly how it works), to essentially make them one and the same. As you did in the information example.

  53. Re:Worst Buy by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If he persists you say "You are now harassing me and I will call the police if you do not stop."

    Go on, then, and when the police arrive tell them what lead to you calling. You'll be lucky if YOU aren't charged with wasting police time. "Officer, I entered these private premises to buy a product for them, but they attempted to sell me more than I was looking for. Rather than leaving the store, I called 911."

    Sounds like a Social Adjustment Disorder...

  54. summary by saiha · · Score: 1

    "there is no such thing as syncing 3D glasses. They sync automatically."

    So they don't sync, but they sync? /dnrtfa

  55. Re:Some Helpful 3D Hints that I'll Give Away for $ by gsslay · · Score: 1

    All this is wasted effort unless you check the manufacture date on your 3D glasses and determine which astrology sign they are. Capricorn glasses sitting on the face of an Aries person simply won't work and may give you eye cancer. This is because of the influence of these combined signs collapse the photons into waves of radiation that penetrate your eyes at the speed of light. The manufactures don't want you to know this because it will upset their profits.

    However, if you are Gemini it'll just be the most smoothest visual experience of your life, as the photons actually aline with your guiding planets, thus removing all their sharp edges at a sub-atomic level. The manufacturers also don't want you to know this, but customers we have advised on the purchase of 3D glasses have reported such an astounding difference that they may actually experience 4D. All without the expense of buying the higher spec of glasses!!

    Phone my Professional Appliances astrology phone-line iAppAstro(TM) for more fancy sounding talk that sounds like it'll make a difference, but is really total BS.

  56. Re:Worst Buy by SimonGhent · · Score: 1

    "Any attempt at upselling will automatically cancel any interest I have in purchasing from your store."

    If he persists you say "You are now harassing me and I will call the police if you do not stop."

    Captain Asperger saves the world once again!

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    simon
  57. How much cables should cost: by Zaphod-AVA · · Score: 1

    Most stores mark down big ticket items and mark up the incidentals, but cables have gotten completely out of control. This is why there is so much marketing bullshit slapped on them.

    For example, here is a link to an optical audio cable from Monoprice. 1.5 feet instead of 8 inches, less the gold plating, and it goes for 3.86 + shipping.
    http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10229&cs_id=1022901&p_id=3396&seq=1&format=2

  58. I got made fun of all through school... by tekrat · · Score: 1

    Because I wore glasses. "Four eyes" they called me.

    Now those jocks come home, and to watch their 3-D football game *put on glasses*? The same guys that made fun of me for wearing glasses?

    What kind of upside-down, bizzarro world are we now living in?

    And tell me what kind of fashion-conscious woman is going to wear those dorky glasses? Who really thinks this stupid fad is going to catch on?

    What about people that already wear glasses? Or spent a fortune on laser surgery or contacts, only to have to put on glasses *again*, now to watch TV? And when friends come over, do they have to bring their own glasses? How's that Superbowl party going to work out?

    I'm already on the fence about throwing out my TV... I believe this is pushing me closer to just giving up on broadcast media entirely.

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    If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
  59. Ruler Of the Interwebs by tzvibish · · Score: 1

    This doesn't surprise me at all. This is what Geek Squad does. They convince you that you are unable to install anything yourself because you are not a "geek". Then they charge you out the wazoo for a service a child could figure out. See: http://ruleroftheinterwebs.blogspot.com/2009/09/geek-squad-up-to-their-usual.html

  60. Re:Worst Buy by uglyduckling · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I'm sure the police will be really keen to come out to a store and arrest the shop assistant for talking to you. If you walk away and they chase you it might be harassment, but probably that would still only count if it was over a protracted period of time. By the way, if you reply to this post then you're harassing me ;).