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Professor Says UFO Studies Should Be Taught At Universities

New York anthropology professor Philip Haseley wants young people to get the best education possible, and part of that education, he says, should be about UFOs. Haseley thinks universities should offer classes on UFOs and other unexplained phenomena from space. "[A sighting] happens to millions of people [around the world]. It's about time we looked into this as a worthy area of study. It's important that the whole subject be brought out in the open and investigated," he said. I want to believe the truth is out there in 500 words or less.

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  1. sound good to me by axor1337 · · Score: 0

    I would take that class

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    1. Re:sound good to me by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Funny

      I would take that class

      And I would take your money. Next year we can come back and see who learned more.

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    2. Re:sound good to me by Jaysyn · · Score: 1

      I would too if he actually got us a UFO to study. Eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable.

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    3. Re:sound good to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I would take that class

      And I would take your money. Next year we can come back and see who learned more.

      Well, right off the bat, you'd learn that people taking UFO classes don't have much money.

    4. Re:sound good to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I had this class. In my university, the history department had some classes in secret societies and conspiracies. We discussed the history and psychology of these events and how they've migrated from supernatural to scientifically based as our culture changed from dependence on one to dependence on the other. It was very interesting, though the mythology on Masonry and the Illuminati and such were far cooler than the UFO stuff IMO.

      It was a good class and I agree that it should be a history elective.

    5. Re:sound good to me by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Did you read the good old "Proofs of a Conspiracy Against All the Religions and Governments of Europe"?

    6. Re:sound good to me by Skarecrow77 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why do UFOs always show up in front of some hick in south dakota or kentucky? why don't the aliens ever land on the mall in DC or on top of the Effiel tower? Hell, I'd be convinced if they just landed on a pyramid like in stargate.

      I think the closest thing to the above I've ever seen actual footage of was some weird lights above mexico city or something of the sort. Weird lights? I'm sure it was probably just the US and Soviets playing games or something of the sort. I'm not convinced.

    7. Re:sound good to me by AmigaMMC · · Score: 1
      Actually that would be an interesting idea, permitting is not taught by some UFO nazi like Brad Steiger (author of: The Philadelphia Experiment) who believes there's an underground civilization living under the poles based on the fact that icebergs are made of fresh water, which must be coming from underwater rivers and if there are underwater rivers there are people there (logical, huh?).

      My main concern would be that the religious community would not be taking lightly the teaching about UFO in school. You know, anything that could get you a little more open minded and open to the idea that we don't know everything could be a risk for a religious society.

    8. Re:sound good to me by cosm · · Score: 1

      If OP actually gains a better understanding of the UFO phenomena, then he has learned more.
      If it turns out to be a complete waste of time, then he has learned to be more careful with his wallet, and you have learned that it is still easy to take people's money through an intriguing premise.

      If you haven't learned that from FREE ICONS SAVERS PRON WAREZ GETRICHNOW schemes, then perhaps I see the humor.

      Otherwise, your question is surely rhetorical. Or perhaps I just got 'WHOOSHED'.

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    9. Re:sound good to me by JWSmythe · · Score: 0

          You know, the religious community is exactly why UFO studies should be taught.

          With religion, you have 0 evidence, lots of faith, and you are left with many questions that cannot be answered unless your god (or gods) come down and answer them him/her/their self.

          With UFO studies, you have a small bit of evidence, some faith, and are left with my questions that can someday be explained, either from them coming to us, or us going to them, or us doing a better analysis of a "sighting" and finding the real cause of it.

          I only hope it's taught responsibly, and not in a total tinfoil hat crazy way.

          With enough evidence, "UFO" sightings can be explained. I'm not saying explained away as something else. I won't doubt that there could be aliens playing pranks by bending wheat in farmers fields. :) There was a great one that I loved. I lived near Los Angeles a while back. I went outside to smoke a cigarette, and looked to the West. I saw a disk floating over the city with lights on it. I swear I'm not kidding.

          I watched it for a minute. As I watched, it slowly turned towards the south and the "disk" was actually a blimp, and the lights were the lighting on it that gave it the illusion of being a disk. I saw a perfect moment to have some fun. I waited until just before it had turned towards me again and I ran inside and told my girlfriend and her daughter to come outside. "OH MY GOD, THERE'S A UFO! I SWEAR, COME LOOK!". When they came out, my girlfriend looked at me like I was nuts but she didn't have an answer. Her daughter freaked out. :) Before she got a chance to run and hide, I told her to just watch it and see what it does. As it turned again, we could see the profile, and we all started laughing.

          It was unidentified at first (like, I didn't know what it was), so I guess it was a UFO. Sometimes it just takes a little more thinking an investigation to figure out what it really is before you firmly strap on the tinfoil hat. ... and that girlfriend did make me a tinfoil hat. :) It was all in good fun though. I can honestly say they aren't very comfortable.

       

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    10. Re:sound good to me by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

      I've joked about if I ever got a position where I made friends with the folks flying an AWACS, I'd want to set it up with blinky lights all the way around the dish. It would be hilarious to have them fly around with the rest of their marker lights off, and just this circle of flashing lights in the sky. How many people would be calling in UFO sightings? :)

            But, if they are landing in Kansas or wherever, I'd think it may be so they don't accidentally squish people in a populated area, or knock structures over. :) It's hard to say "we came here on a peaceful mission of exploration and to exchange of information", when you knock over something like the Effiel tower and squish a few hundred tourists.

          Really, if they've observed for a while, they'd spot the "good" places to land and meet with gov't official types. (make peace with the ones that can shoot back, -n- stuff.) This is a great place to land Lots of room. Access to the gov't hierarchy without pesky civilians getting in the way. If you came in quiet with no lights, you'd probably have a nice private audience with exactly the people you'd want to talk to.

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    11. Re:sound good to me by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Or perhaps I just got 'WHOOSHED'.

      Give this man a cigar! Or mayhaps more coffee.

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    12. Re:sound good to me by drzhivago · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I actually took a UFO class in college (Temple University). It was a history elective, one that was exceptionally popular and difficult to get into. The class was positioned as one that mainly dealt with UFOs and their impact (or lack thereof) on society, mainly from a governmental point of view.

      Except, that was only the first half of the class. After the midterm there was a heavy focus on abductions, and we had to read a number of "non-fictional" books on the subject. It was a bit freaky if you started to believe it.

      Beats me if they still offer this class, I took it in 1995.

    13. Re:sound good to me by mog007 · · Score: 1

      The "UFO = Alien ships" crowd has exactly as much evidence as the religious crowd. It's all anecdotal. Nobody's every brought back an Alien brain, or even a sample of their DNA, or whatever they would have instead of brains/DNA.

    14. Re:sound good to me by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      UFO in it's literal term is acceptable to have a course in. It may help people to understand cause and effect in a much larger scale.

      Many UFO sightings are misinterpretations and/or reflections in windows. A few more are pranks and yet a few are model aircrafts.

      Then there are a few left that can't be easily explained and among those most of them are the result of military or otherwise covert ops (cops, smugglers, test runs by your favorite agency) that you never can get an answer about.

      But I'm not saying that there aren't outer space aliens that really are causing a fraction of the observations. If there are aliens out there I would say that they may want to keep an eye on us in case we are getting dangerous. The most dangerous enemy to human is another human.

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    15. Re:sound good to me by slick7 · · Score: 2, Funny

      #1. MY tinfoil hat is NOT crazy.
      #2. Considering "religion's" track record/past performance/response to current issues, the crazies are running the insane asylum.

      I cannot wait for a legitimate encounter because I would ask for religious/political/economic asylum from this loony bin called Earth.
      If people wish to wallow in the arrogant belief that they are the most intelligent beings in the verse, may the All that is, protect them. It would take a very intelligent race that is patient with the overt/covert leadership of this planet to keep from trashing this planet and starting over from scratch.

      I would offer my services to be caretaker of all that is worthy of rescue, ie. the dolphins, whales, elephants, gorillas and any other endangered species other than MAN.

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    16. Re:sound good to me by JWSmythe · · Score: 2, Interesting

          You know, your test flight mention is actually very legitimate.

          When I was a kid, I lived on one of the military practice routes. I loved watching the jets fly over, so if I heard them coming, I'd run outside to watch them fly over.

          One day, around 1985, I saw a very odd plane fly over. I hadn't ever seen anything like it. It looked kind of like a fighter jet, but it had very angular features, including a tall angled cockpit , a weird body, and weird tail. I told my parents, friends at school about it, and even some teachers. They all thought I was nuts. I had even sketched generally what it looked like, and I was told "there's no such thing."

          About 3 years later the gov't announced their "new" F-117, and that was the plane.

          Of course, since I had been watching and trying to identify the planes flying over for quite a while, I knew this was definitely a military jet of some sort, so there was no good reason to scream alien conspiracy.

          I fell for another one that I was convinced was a UFO, because I had no better way to explain it. Years later, I was talking to a retired USAF pilot, and he told me exactly what it was. It would have been a rather uncommon sight, so I just dumb lucked into seeing it. It helped that I could tell him my precise location, time of day, and even the direction I was facing. Given the choice of the very likely answer I was given by someone with no advantage to lie to me, or believe that an alien spaceship buzzed me, while I'd like to believe it was an alien, it simply wasn't.

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    17. Re:sound good to me by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I would too if he actually got us a UFO to study.

      If that happened it would no longer be a UFO (Unidentified Flying Object).

      Personally, I am a strong believer in UFOs. Do you want to know what they are?
      I don't know. If I did, they would be IFOs.

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    18. Re:sound good to me by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Actually, a skeptical class that did an honest, thorough investigation would be good.

      Something like this, but for UFOs.

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    19. Re:sound good to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "...not taught by some UFO nazi like Brad Steiger (author of: The Philadelphia Experiment) who believes there's an underground civilization..."

      Nor those believing in the 'upperground' civilization who see Jesus and Mary appearing, not only on toasts and roadsmear.

    20. Re:sound good to me by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 1

      Nobody's every brought back an Alien brain

      Well, then the obvious solution is to recruit more Zombies for UFO research. If anyone can bring back Alien brains, it would be them...

    21. Re:sound good to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, this sounds better than a UFO class. It is extremely important to have classes like this to make sure future generations are educated enough to contribute to society and be able to earn a living for themselves and possibly a family. Basketweaving and Lesbian studies should be elective as well so we can all be sensitive to the superior gender and have containers for corn (also called maize) for when society devolves from liberal farts misplaced priorities in education.

    22. Re:sound good to me by flyneye · · Score: 3, Funny

      There was talk of one here at the local state university but it was shot down when the professors ulterior motive was exposed to actually build a UFO and barnstorm the local Scientology Church and Kirstie Alleys house.

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    23. Re:sound good to me by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      How about iStudies classes? You know... like bible studies, but where you learn how to praise Steve Jobs the right way. ;))

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    24. Re:sound good to me by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 1

      Why do UFOs always show up in front of some hick in south dakota or kentucky? why don't the aliens ever land on the mall in DC or on top of the Effiel tower?

      I think Bill Hicks had a pretty good explanation for this.

  2. Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing wrong with teaching stuff like the Drake Equation. But alien abductions?

    1. Re:Well by megamerican · · Score: 3, Funny

      Looking at tuition costs can make one feel like they've been probed in the ass so why not learn about others who have felt the same way?

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    2. Re:Well by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      If you go to a Catholic college, the faculty will be happy to assist with the anal probing demonstration.

    3. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The students are too old for the Catholics by then.

    4. Re:Well by incubbus13 · · Score: 1

      I love you. This cracked me up.

      K.

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  4. Why not? by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 4, Funny

    Some schools teach creationism. Some teach actual theology. Why should alien abduction be treated any differently? Teach the controversy!

    1. Re:Why not? by iamhassi · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Why should alien abduction be treated any differently? Teach the controversy!"

      What about Bigfoot and Loch Ness? Can't leave them out, that's discrimination!

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    2. Re:Why not? by sznupi · · Score: 1

      Some schools teach creationism. Some teach actual theology. Why should alien abduction be treated any differently? Teach the controversy!

      I suspect parts of first two groups you mention might actually have a problem with UFO studies (obviously false)...the conclusions from which could hit a bit too close to home.

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    3. Re:Why not? by Alex+Belits · · Score: 0, Troll

      And racism classes.
      And child porn appreciation classes.

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    4. Re:Why not? by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      Is this going to rightly attacked as bad science or anti-science as much as Creationism is?

    5. Re:Why not? by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      What about Bigfoot?

      Tall, hairy, screams, and has big feet. It is hardly enough for a ten minute lecture, unless you can get a basketball major to put on the suit and chase through the lecture hall. The frat houses will have all the old quizes on file which makes proper testing hard.

    6. Re:Why not? by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      There are UFOs in the Bible so why not teach this?

    7. Re:Why not? by CannonballHead · · Score: 1

      Yeah.

      You may as well have put "evolution" in your list. Except it wouldn't go well with the typical slashdotter. Or, even more appropriate... how about philosophy or psychology or behavioral sciences or sociology? Metaphysics? Homer? Plato? Aristotle? Shakespeare? Victorian literature?

      All of the above have had less of an effect on society and history than "theology" or "creationism" (both of which were meant to refer to, I assume, those topics as written of in the Bible)...

      I know it was a joke, but it's interesting that the joke tends to be focused towards one particular belief set, because it's not fashionable to harp on certain disputed areas - like behavioral "sciences" or philosophy (since they are "respected" areas now).

      *grabs troll/flamebait mod by the horns* ;)

    8. Re:Why not? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      That would actually be a reasonable minor if you were doing archeology, anthropology, theology or that thing that's a bit like anthropology but without any manky old bones whose name escapes me right now.

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    9. Re:Why not? by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Everything in the sky was a UFO back then.

    10. Re:Why not? by squinty_s · · Score: 1

      Actually, the high school in my district has a class that teaches myths and legends. It just so happens that they go over Bigfoot, UFO's, Fairies, ghosts, etc. interesting class. Its taught as "this is what has been recorded in stories and lore in the past, whether its true or not is not in question".

    11. Re:Why not? by Hognoxious · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      And racism classes.
      And child porn appreciation classes.

      I'm shocked that anyone could even suggest that these should be taught in a school or university.

      As any fule kno, if you want to study those you'd go to a seminary.

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    12. Re:Why not? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure birds were around 6000 years ago. And insects, especially locusts.

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    13. Re:Why not? by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      Not the sun, stars, dragons or flying gypsies.

    14. Re:Why not? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      To be fair, those are extra-curricular activities, not part of the degree program.

    15. Re:Why not? by mayberry42 · · Score: 1

      Some schools teach creationism. Some teach actual theology. Why should alien abduction be treated any differently? Teach the controversy!

      do you really think it's a good idea to teach scientology to college students?

    16. Re:Why not? by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          That my friend comes under the fine study of cryptozoology.

          It's the study of anything that you want to believe could be out there, without any real proof that they exist. :)

          Then again, if I remember right there isn't a legitimate school in the world that teaches cryptozoology, other than maybe in a passing reference in a real class.

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    17. Re:Why not? by fbjon · · Score: 1

      I think you're confusing anthropology with paleontology.

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    18. Re:Why not? by mog007 · · Score: 1

      I should hope so. I'm sure many scientists who actually realize how large the universe is believe that life isn't unique to Earth. These same scientists would also tell you that there's no evidence for it, so the official consensus is: "As far as we know, life is unique to Earth."

      I'm curious what this course would be about though. There are already astronomy courses offered at many universities. If you have an UNIDENTIFIED flying object, you might be able to identify it with some knowledge of astronomy. After all, UFO sightings among amateur astronomers is substantially smaller than in the general population, because they know what the fuck they're looking at. It's a huge leap of pseudo-scientific nonsense to say "I don't know what everything in the sky is, therefor those objects I can't identify must be aliens from another planet in a faster-than-light starship."

    19. Re:Why not? by mog007 · · Score: 1

      How did you get one belief set from "theology" and "creationism"? Christian fundamentalists are NOT the only creationist gang in town. There are more Muslim creationists than Christian creationists. That's still the same deity, with a very similar creation myth. There are even more Hindu creationists who have myths that have nothing at all in common with the Muslim or Christian myths.

      Granted, in the west, it's the Christian creationists who are pushing to get time in a classroom. The Muslim creationists don't have to bother, because in their countries, their version of creationism is already taught in "science" class, and look how well they're doing.

    20. Re:Why not? by sznupi · · Score: 1

      Actually, perhaps especially the sun, stars and dragons (note the huge number of supernatural explanations for the two former, explanations which boil down to failure in identifying the nature of those objects; likewise with dragons, probably misidentified dinosaur/etc. remains...hm, definatelly not flying though)

      You might be onto something with flying gypsies...

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    21. Re:Why not? by slick7 · · Score: 1

      How about advanced beer pong (ABP 415) ?

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    22. Re:Why not? by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      I saw a documentary about pre-enlightenment fossil hunting and how say a Mastodon would be confused as a giant's skeleton.

    23. Re:Why not? by dwye · · Score: 1

      > Some schools teach creationism. Some teach actual theology.

      Not to mention that there have been PhDs issued for Magic - not stage magic, but the Merlin kind. As part of Anthropology, it makes as much sense as teaching inheritance practices among Bedouin or Tuaregs, or warring among the Dani of New Guinea. Clearly, studying how UFOs are seen, how their belief are propagated, etc., makes perfect sense. UFO Studies are also like Xenobiology or Cryptobiology (both taught at the graduate level, IIRC), in that they are fields of study that have yet to demonstrate that their objects of study really exist.

      OTOH, teaching UFOs as actual things about which you can make true statements, rather than opinions. is clearly nonsense. The Blue alien with the ray gun is rather insistent that I make that perfectly clear.

    24. Re:Why not? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      There are more Muslim creationists than Christian creationists

      And we haven't even scratched the surface. Wait till someone mentions the disproportion between Muslim and Christian destructionists.

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    25. Re:Why not? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Yes, because "a bit like ... but without" clearly means "identical to".

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    26. Re:Why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "with UFO studies (obviously false)"

      Uhhh... how do you know this and why haven't you come forth? Unless posting this on /. is coming forth.

      I'll be the first to disbelieve by default, but this is a subject that can't be proven completely false. A huge % of "sightings" are bogus. While true, this does not mean they all are bogus.

    27. Re:Why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I saw that! Very interesting. They surmised the big hole in the middle of the skull let to the myth about the giant cyclops.

    28. Re:Why not? by sznupi · · Score: 1

      That's why I wrote it in italics, trying to signify it's how the mentioned group is likely to approach the issue (since studies might even find, say, uncomfortable similarities with "angels", to give one simple example)

      As a sidenote, since you touched on the subject further and wonder what is my approach - yes, of course some number of "sightings" is factual as far as their precise subject goes: unidentified flying objects. That they are often taken much further in interpretation, on who knows what grounds, is another issue...

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    29. Re:Why not? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      No, he's talking about the Wheel of Ezekiel. Read it, and it sounds just like how some primitive goat-herder might describe his experience seeing an alien ship.

      Of course, it could also have been a narcotic-induced dream. Didn't a lot of the food people ate back then have psychoactive substances, perhaps from mold? I remember reading something about a lot of the bread people ate in the Dark Ages having this problem.

    30. Re:Why not? by Grishnakh · · Score: 0

      so the official consensus is: "As far as we know, life is unique to Earth."

      If that's really the official consensus, that's pretty stupid. There's hundreds of billions of stars in the Milky Way alone, and there's billions of other galaxies, each with billions more stars. With those numbers, there's undoubtedly > 1 planet/moon with conditions like Earth where life may have evolved, and probably far more than 1. Additionally, we don't know if it's possible for there to be life not like ours, perhaps based on silicon instead of carbon, and if it is possible, then that means a planet doesn't have to be earth-like to support life. We have absolutely no clue if there's any life anywhere else, and we might not even be able to identify it as "life" if we saw it. Heck, we've barely even traveled off of our own planet, and don't know much about what's on the other planets right next door to us.

      Saying "life is unique to Earth" is a completely ridiculous claim, and any "scientist" who says that doesn't deserve the title. The ONLY rational answer is "We don't know." We have insufficient data to make any kind of claim whatsoever about the existence of extraterrestrial life.

      When we're only NOW figuring out that our own Moon might have water on it, making any kind of claim that something probably doesn't exist anywhere else, even in our own galaxy, is profoundly arrogant and stupid. With attitudes this stupid, it's amazing we ever figured out how to live outside of caves.

    31. Re:Why not? by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      Bigfoot is really easy to fake. I have no idea whether what I saw (north of Fouke, AR in the 60') was fake or not, but there was a working duplicate east of Orange, TX.

      I have never seen a prankster, but I believe that they exist.

    32. Re:Why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After all, UFO sightings among amateur astronomers is substantially smaller than in the general population, because they know what the fuck they're looking at.

      [Citation needed]

    33. Re:Why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If that's true the entire name is false advertising. What do you think would be the most popular activity at a seminary? And when you graduate you go to live at the rectory. I wonder what they do there?

    34. Re:Why not? by CannonballHead · · Score: 1

      Yes, I know there are other "creation" stories, but did you read the part of my post where I said that I was assuming a Bible version?

      (both of which were meant to refer to, I assume, those topics as written of in the Bible)

    35. Re:Why not? by the_womble · · Score: 1

      Something (God) witnesses by hundreds of millions of people over thousands of years and cultures has evidence for its existence comparable to something (UFOs sightings that do not have a natural explanation) witnessed by small number of people, mostly a small number of cultures, and entirely in the last few decades?

    36. Re:Why not? by scholl_r · · Score: 1

      The whole issue is that there IS no controversy, except between closed-minded pinheads and ignoramuses and educated people. Teaching creationism is just teaching religion; there is no scientific basis no matter what the ID people say. And as for UFOs, the only people who believe in them are conspirasy nuts and people who thrive on rumor rather than objective observations. It continues to be a travesty that impressionistic students are fed this kind of crap.

    37. Re:Why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      without touching the "creation science" debate, teaching UFO case histories could be a great exercise in teaching critical thinking, provided it's done right.

  5. Bette make that the... by Knutsi · · Score: 1
  6. Crazy people are the subjects of many studies... by strangeattraction · · Score: 1

    Why should UFO believers excluded. Why people believe weird and irrational things should be studied.

  7. Like ghosts, this is getting harder and harder. by maillemaker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Reasonable-quality audio/video recording equipment is becoming nearly ubiquitous, being embedded in cell phones.

    Yet the only "footage" that is available is grainy and poor quality.

    As the quality and availability of audio/video recording equipment grows, one would expect the quality of "sighting" recordings to increase, but they aren't.

    I think that's very telling.

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    1. Re:Like ghosts, this is getting harder and harder. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      ...one would expect the quality of "sighting" recordings to increase, but they aren't.

      I think that's very telling.

      It is telling. What your post tells me is... they got to you too. (sigh)

    2. Re:Like ghosts, this is getting harder and harder. by guruevi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's because of the nature of an Unidentified Flying Object. It flies through the sky but is too far away or obscured by other things (weather, buildings) to be identified. UFO's will always remain UFO's no matter whether they be nature-made, man-made or alien-made phenomenon.

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    3. Re:Like ghosts, this is getting harder and harder. by wwphx · · Score: 1

      My wife would love to bitch slap this guy when I tell her about this. She has a PhD in astronomy/astrophysics and has taught classes on extra-terrestrial life, including the Drake Equation. With the increase in the general population of increasingly high definition video cameras, there should be good footage by now of UFOs. THERE ISN'T.

      GET A LIFE, PEOPLE!

      People don't realize how vast the distances involved are. They'll say "man didn't go to the moon", which is a piddly quarter million miles away, yet they think aliens are capable of covering interstellar/intergalactic distances with the blink of an eye.

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    4. Re:Like ghosts, this is getting harder and harder. by Jahava · · Score: 1

      Reasonable-quality audio/video recording equipment is becoming nearly ubiquitous, being embedded in cell phones. Yet the only "footage" that is available is grainy and poor quality. As the quality and availability of audio/video recording equipment grows, one would expect the quality of "sighting" recordings to increase, but they aren't.

      The aliens and ghosts are clearly reacting to advancing and increasingly-available technology by reducing their exposure and appearing in locations that whose obscurity is proportional to our gains in sensor clarity. Those bastards.

      I think that's very telling.

      They're clearly way smarter than we originally thought. Spooky!

    5. Re:Like ghosts, this is getting harder and harder. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is what I've always thought. If there are so many UFO sightings, then why isn't there a SINGLE clear picture of one? It doesn't even have to be a video, just a clear, still shot.

      While I certainly believe in aliens, I don't believe in aliens visiting us. My belief is that all alien species fall into one of two groups: a) a species that isn't advanced enough to reach Earth and b) a species that is advanced enough to reach Earth, but by extension of that level of advancement, would have absolutely zero interest in visiting Earth.

    6. Re:Like ghosts, this is getting harder and harder. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "With the increase in the general population of increasingly high definition video cameras, there should be good footage by now of UFOs. THERE ISN'T. "

      Of course there isn't! Because with high def, the humans viewing the video can IDENTIFY the object, and it cease being an UNIDENTIFIED flying object. UFO => IFO.

    7. Re:Like ghosts, this is getting harder and harder. by socz · · Score: 1

      Just because you can't see something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. How many people have footage of meteorites hitting the earth and actually damaging property? But we do know they exist, as we have physical proof.

      Just recently I saw a TV show for the first time that focused on that - finding meteorites. It was interesting but got boring after a few episodes (they had a marathon). But what blew me away was how much the value of a meteorite goes up when it actually hit something, anything - house, mail box, car, dog etc...

      So, before anyone is so quick to dismiss anything, just take that into consideration... PS read my sig.

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    8. Re:Like ghosts, this is getting harder and harder. by FrangoAssado · · Score: 1

      I agree.

      People shouldn't bee so quick to dismiss the Invisible Pink Unicorn, either. Just because you can't see her, it doesn't mean she doesn't exist.

    9. Re:Like ghosts, this is getting harder and harder. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you think the avg cell phone or even consumer type camera/video camera are of reasonable quality to be able to get quality evidence at a distance and at speed???

      I guess you also think mp3's are also technologically adequate rather than what they like their quality challeneged brothers are, convenience

    10. Re:Like ghosts, this is getting harder and harder. by wwphx · · Score: 1

      The point of my statement is that the likelihood of ET visiting Earth is incredibly low. The number of claimed UFO sightings is very high, in terms of numbers greater than zero, not on a per capita basis. The Earth has been putting objects and people in to space for about 50 years and haven't moved people further than the moon. Our civilization will have to be a lot older before we're capable of traveling between the stars, much less between the galaxies, assuming we find a way around the barrier imposed by the speed of light (see a /. post a month or two back about staring into a 7 TEV charge as you approach the speed of light similar to staring in to the LHC). We don't know how long a civilization lasts. Assuming an extra-solar civilization existed, did their ability to travel FTL coincide with our civilization's period of sapience?

      The likelihood of all of these variables aligning so that aliens would visit our world are not high. To turn your argument around, just because you think you see something doesn't mean it exists in quite the fashion that you think it is. Optical phenomena are a common occurrence and can be described using optical laws of physics.

      My wife has seen a UFO. She doesn't know what it was, thus it was unidentified. But she doesn't believe it was a flying saucer.

      How close is the nearest star? How long have we been beaming radio waves around the world and in to space? What is that fraction? How would they know we are here? Yes, they could be investigating all planets in the water belts of certain classes of stars, just like we're doing now with studies of extrasolar planets. But considering the energy costs of moving people or objects over such distances, would you do fly-bys or study with telescopes initially? How much does a 3.5 meter telescope cost compared to a launch to the ISS? Now scale that up to interstellar distances.

      Sorry, I will continue to dismiss this. I will also continue to dismiss holocaust deniers, people who think they are genetically superior to someone whose skin color is different, and quite a few other people.

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    11. Re:Like ghosts, this is getting harder and harder. by citizenr · · Score: 1

      Reasonable-quality audio/video recording equipment is becoming nearly ubiquitous, being embedded in cell phones.

      Yet the only "footage" that is available is grainy and poor quality.

      As the quality and availability of audio/video recording equipment grows, one would expect the quality of "sighting" recordings to increase, but they aren't.

      Of course it does. The ones with better quality let people with knowledge identify the phenomenon so it stops being UFO and becomes IFO (identified flying object) ":)

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    12. Re:Like ghosts, this is getting harder and harder. by RingDev · · Score: 0, Redundant

      It is also because if the footage wasn't grainy and of poor quality/distance, then the object will almost always be identified. And if the flying object is identified, it can not be a UFO.

      -Rick

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    13. Re:Like ghosts, this is getting harder and harder. by ISoldat53 · · Score: 1

      UFOs are real. The Air Force doesn't exist.

    14. Re:Like ghosts, this is getting harder and harder. by slick7 · · Score: 1

      There was a time when the thinking stated that if the train you were riding in, exceeded 30 mph, the vacuum generated inside the train would suffocate you.
      The speed of sound cannot be broken.
      It's impossible to go around the world in 80 days.
      Splitting the atom will ignite the atmosphere.

      To believe that after 4+ billion years of Earth's existence, we are the only culmination of advanced civilization is questionable at best. A billion years is enough time to create an advanced civilization more advanced than ours. Another billion years to completely erase that very same civilization with absolutely no evidence other than myth and rumors. That leaves 2+ billion years unaccounted for.

      Oh, by the way...Nothing is faster than the speed of light and crossing the verse in a relatively short span of time is impossible.

      P.S. Wormholes don't exist.

      P.P.S. Governments have your best interests in mind.

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    15. Re:Like ghosts, this is getting harder and harder. by rokj · · Score: 1

      Reasonable-quality audio/video recording equipment is becoming nearly ubiquitous, being embedded in cell phones.

      Yet the only "footage" that is available is grainy and poor quality.

      As the quality and availability of audio/video recording equipment grows, one would expect the quality of "sighting" recordings to increase, but they aren't.

      I think that's very telling.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTjk7uuSScI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox6BtwDmm3c&feature=related

    16. Re:Like ghosts, this is getting harder and harder. by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      GET A LIFE, PEOPLE!

      The irony of this coming from a slashdotter

    17. Re:Like ghosts, this is getting harder and harder. by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      As the quality and availability of audio/video recording equipment grows, one would expect the quality of "sighting" recordings to increase, but they aren't. I think that's very telling.

      The "believer" theory goes like this: The ufonauts know who's photographing them and the abilities of the camera used on them. If the imaging device is of low quality, then they sometimes ignore it and fly on knowing that previous blurry photos are usually dismissed as hubcaps or Photoshop. They only intervene (such as an abduction, men-in-black[1], or memory-wipe) if you have top-quality equipment. Thus, a fancy camera is more likely to get you an anal exam than the Daily front page.

      [1] The movie was roughly based on actual witnesses testimony (whether true or not)

    18. Re:Like ghosts, this is getting harder and harder. by sjames · · Score: 1

      Just to play the other side, have you seen the "skill" most people have with cellphone cameras?

      Reasonable quality is a bit generous. They're not exactly high performance devices. They work OK-ish for photographing people in room lighting, but not so well otherwise due to limited dynamic range and slowly responding auto-exposure.

      Before cellphone cameras, having a camera at all indicated at least a minimal interest in photography, even if just vacation snapshots. That's not necessarily the case anymore.

      I've seen many satellites and their existence is not the least bit controversial. There's no way, however, that a cellphone camera will capture an image of one.

    19. Re:Like ghosts, this is getting harder and harder. by sjames · · Score: 1

      The teasers are rich and bored, not stupid. They know the fun's over if they let someone get solid evidence.

    20. Re:Like ghosts, this is getting harder and harder. by Larryish · · Score: 1

      Good point.

      UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT

      By definition, they will always be TOO FAR AWAY to be IDENTIFIED, hence the name

      Like, duh.

    21. Re:Like ghosts, this is getting harder and harder. by someone1234 · · Score: 1

      A clear sight helps identification. UFO's are unidentified exactly because their image is unclear. See the picture?

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    22. Re:Like ghosts, this is getting harder and harder. by muntis · · Score: 1

      Come on. Have you ever tried to take a picture of fast moving object miles away with your phone? Haven't seen a phone that could do that.

    23. Re:Like ghosts, this is getting harder and harder. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Belief in UFOs - Pointless
      Getting bitch-slapped by astro-phd chick for believing in them - mmm Priceless!

  8. Please tag: woo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "(A sighting) happens to millions of people (around the world). It's about time we looked into this as a worthy area of study."

    It's worthy because the ignorant masses don't know what they're looking at? The vast, vast majority of sightings can easily be explained away by experts in the relevant fields. How about teaching classes in the fields relevant to determine just what these things are instead of begging the question? What a crock of shit. I'm all for listening to the sky, but studying OMGWTFBBQUFO is nothing but a bunch of brain-dead woo.

  9. Religion Studies by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I took a class in religion studies in college. UFO or other paranormal theories would fit right in there.

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    1. Re:Religion Studies by sznupi · · Score: 2, Informative

      They would fit. But I would expect a lot of controversy with that approach.

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    2. Re:Religion Studies by bmo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      (T)he first really strange stories I remember hearing were Bible stories. And these stories were completely amazing: about parting oceans, and talking snakes. And people really seemed to believe these stories. And I'm talking about adults. Adults, who mainly just did the most mundane things imaginable: mowing their lawns and throwing potluck parties; they all believed in these wild stories. And they would sit around and discuss them in the most matter-of-fact way. So in a way I was introduced to a special local form of surrealism at an early age and so there was always a question in my mind about what's actually true and what is just another art form.

      -Laurie Anderson

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    3. Re:Religion Studies by cosm · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Similar arguments were made by the Ptolemaic churches attempting to discredit Aristotle.

      The UK acknowledges the phenomenon: Ministry of Defense
      So does Mexico
      oh, and so does the FBI
      and the CIA.

      UFO's are not just some hoojum bullshit. There is a serious phenomena of unexplained activity/objects, and rigorous scientific endeavor would get much more credibility if this area was at least explored from a rational and logical standpoint in educational institutions without all the hooting and hollering, even if what we discover is against our rational and logical assumptions.

      and if your really interested, check out the NASA video of the STS-75 incident. Watch the video, and then read what NASA conveniently doesn't discuss.

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    4. Re:Religion Studies by tixxit · · Score: 2

      What is that video suppose to be of? It looks like a video of an actual experiment. The site lists many experiments performed on the tether and talks about the data gathered. It would seem to be an extreme close up of a crystal or something with dust and/or ice floating around.

    5. Re:Religion Studies by tibit · · Score: 2

      LOL re STS-75 "incident". Those are not UFOs. Think about what the illumination was when this stuff was being filmed. Assuming it was filmed through the front windows, they likely had side light through the side windows, and this would be classical dark field visualization of dust. Large-enough dust particles will behave exactly like this in weightless environment. Small ones will do Brownian motion, larger ones will move in apparently straight lines. Besides, this video suffers from bad overexposure and is focused for infinity (or so one hopes) -- anything that's nearby will be big and blurry. Exactly like the dust, ekhm, UFOs, seen floating around.

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    6. Re:Religion Studies by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      I took a class in religion studies in college. UFO or other paranormal theories would fit right in there.

      Well, other than Orson Wells War of the Worlds, how have UFOs been involved in shaping any actual events on planet earth? Weather you believe in some diety(s) or not, you can't deny the impact religion has had on society. Not so much for UFOs. My college freshman daughter just signed up for religion for next semester, and I have no problem funding the expense. If it was UFOs, she'd be looking for a different source to cover the costs.

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    7. Re:Religion Studies by dave420 · · Score: 2

      The scientific method needs actual data to even start to investigate the phenomenon. Eye-witness reports, grainy photos of luminous blobs, and shaky footage of luminous blobs simply doesn't cut it. That's the problem. All the phenomena that were previously called UFOs, but which now science has a firm grip on, were understood because getting actual evidence of them was easy. The ethereal "alien ship" UFO idea is simply not testable, until one stays in a fixed place for hours (either in the sky or on the ground), allowing people to measure it (remotely, of course). Until that happens it's just pissing in the wind.

    8. Re:Religion Studies by dave420 · · Score: 2

      Oh, and that video shows out-of-focus dust/particles. Not massive UFOs or anything else. NASA 'conveniently' didn't discuss it because there's nothing to discuss. They also didn't 'conveniently' discuss Bigfoot flying by in a Zeppelin, too, because it didn't happen. That tether 'incident' video is the staple of the "UFOs are aliens even though no one has proof that they are" crowd. It's getting old, and very very pathetic.

    9. Re:Religion Studies by Eudial · · Score: 1

      Doesn't the same religious people prompt us to teach the controversy?

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    10. Re:Religion Studies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's how I always felt, too. I wondered when my parents were going to sit me down and give it the Santa Claus treatment: explain that it's all allegory, but I should still go to church, be nice to people, etc. Instead I became increasingly worried as the reality sunk in that people not only believed the stuff literally, but they thought it was the reason for good in the world. Still looking for some sort of window on it, I studied religion intensely, went on pilgrimages and in my crazier moments considered becoming a clergyman.

      It wasn't to be, though. I have this form of OCD where I demand that people backup extraordinary claims with extraordinary evidence.

    11. Re:Religion Studies by sznupi · · Score: 1

      IMHO not quite - they don't see it as controversy after all (indeed, not teaching what they want and/or teaching things which are perceived by them as "against" - that is controversial...)

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    12. Re:Religion Studies by wsanders · · Score: 1

      That's actually the context (religious studies) in which credible courses on UFO-ology and other "unexplained" phenomena occur.

      It's not a investigation of whether UFOs are real, but why the people who "see" them belive they are real. You can substitute any religious figure, conspiracy theories, or the Flying Spaghetti monster for UFOs - regardless of whether "it's true", people believe it, and "that settles it" for a lot of people even if contradictory evidence exists.

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    13. Re:Religion Studies by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      You know, when you take away the "extra-terrestrial hypothesis" (ETH) from UFO research, there has been some very interesting work done in the field recently.

      A few names to look for are Mac Tonnies, Greg Bishop and Nick Redfern. They reject the ETH and have developed some very interesting theories on the subject. Mac Tonnies, in fact, wrote one of the most interesting serious books on the subject just before he died tragically last year at age 34. It's called The Cryptoterrestrials: A Meditation and it's a sober, non-hysterical look at a phenomenon that just won't go away. It's a pretty short book and if you should ever see a copy at the library, I highly recommend it. It's mainly a thought experiment examining what's left of the UFO phenomenon after you take away the unlikely notion that we're being visited by beings from distant planets.

      Fact is, a lot of people worldwide see inexplicable things in the sky. Things that can not be explained by meteorological phenomena or weather balloons or swamp gas. People in big cities and people in rural areas in every country on every continent. People who know what aircraft look like, such as pilots, military, law enforcement, etc. There are much higher rates of reported sightings near nuclear facilities, for some reason. There is also an element of "high strangeness" to many of the sightings that would indicate something other than little men from outer space are involved, and might indicate something other than a real physical phenomenon (which does not make it less interesting). In fact, if so many people are seeing these things and they are NOT real, physical objects, that might make it a lot more interesting. Whatever they are, the air force has scrambled fighters to chase them on numerous occasions, including a few years ago when some big, triangular UFOs appeared near President Bush's ranch near Crawford, TX. In 2007, several hundred people, including pilots, and airline employees watched one over O'Hare International Airport in Chicago. These were reported in the media, but usually accompanied by X-Files music and smirks on the faces of the news anchors. Yet, the sightings continue.

      When I was 15, my sister, my father and I were driving across Missouri on Rt 66 and saw a triangle that looked to be 300 ft in length. It was about 11pm and there was little traffic, but we saw at least a half-dozen other cars stopped along the road looking at the same thing. We were about 30 miles from Ft. Leonard Wood, but I just don't see this being any experimental aircraft, unless the military in the 1970's was experimenting with huge, silent, triangular craft (this looked nothing at all like the flying wings or what was to become the stealth bomber). We watched it for about 5 minutes and then it seemed to gain altitude and shrink until it was out of sight. We never saw anything about it in the paper or on the news. My father just wouldn't ever talk about it, beyond acknowledging we saw something weird, but my sister and I have discussed it a lot over the years. This was not some kind of meteorological event. It appeared solid, was a triangle with sharp corners, and like I said, it didn't make any noise. There were no lights on that we could see. No, I don't think there were spacemen piloting it, because I've got no reason to believe that. But I sure as hell would like to know what it was. I never saw any other UFO or had any sort of paranormal experience, and I don't expect to. I'm not superstitious or a believer in the supernatural.

      Many more people see UFOs and many more people report abductions than there are people who claim to have seen God. Yet, theological studies are accepted at institutions of higher education. Maybe the interesting thing about the UFO phenomenon is not necessarily "what are they" but "why do so many people see them"? And "what do they mean"?

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    14. Re:Religion Studies by Timothy+Brownawell · · Score: 1

      Well, other than Orson Wells War of the Worlds, how have UFOs been involved in shaping any actual events on planet earth?

      What about the UFO cults?

    15. Re:Religion Studies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Exactly. Comments like your are why we need this discussed in an educational forum. To dispel the trivial and enlighten the ignorant.

    16. Re:Religion Studies by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      Primarily from the UFOs are aliens believers, since most of them are agnostics/atheists.

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    17. Re:Religion Studies by lgw · · Score: 1

      For years, whenever someone saw OXCART and said so publically, the government would send someone along to "investigate the UFO". The program had to be widespread, because too many reputable folks had seen it, and the government needed a way to keep a lid on the program - they wanted the UFOs to remain unidentified. So there you go: actual government coverup of UFOs!

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    18. Re:Religion Studies by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      It's mainly a thought experiment examining what's left of the UFO phenomenon after you take away the unlikely notion that we're being visited by beings from distant planets.

      What's left is the likely notion that the interesting "UFO phenomenon" -- the ones that aren't reflections, weather balloon, aircraft, etc. -- are subjective experiences without external, objective reference. They are in the same category as dreams, visions, hallucinations, "imaginary friends", apparitions of various deities, and so on.

      Is studying these experiences a worthwhile thing to do? Sure. It can tell us a lot about how we build the subjective universes that each of us inhabits. But these studies belong under psychology or philosophy, not under physics or astronomy or exobiology.

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    19. Re:Religion Studies by smchris · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Presumably, a group of people who claim they saw the Virgin Mary at Fatima aren't much different from a group of people who claim a light in the sky was aliens and anthropology isn't a bad department to study these group phenomena. I don't necessarily see anything unusual about the class.

    20. Re:Religion Studies by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Wrong. UFOs actually have some sort of evidence to back up the claim of their existence. Of course, at this point there's not enough evidence to tell if they're hoaxes, something of terrestrial origin mistaken for an ET, etc., but nevertheless, there is evidence (however poor and grainy).

      Religion, OTOH, has no evidence to support it whatsoever, except passed-down oral traditions, which are also where we got the legends of Zeus, Apollo, Odin, Thor, dragons, unicorns, etc. "Religion" is just something which hasn't yet been renamed "myth" because there's still some believers.

    21. Re:Religion Studies by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      They are in the same category as dreams, visions, hallucinations, "imaginary friends", apparitions of various deities, and so on.

      There are quite a few other possibilities besides either being little green men from outer space or just hallucinations.

      Off the top of my imagination: they could be objects existing in other parts of the multiverse that for some reason we are able to see under certain conditions.

      They could be carefully staged events put on by an ancient (more than 40k years old) technological race that shares the planet with us but keeps their own existence a secret. Maybe their worried about our fascination with nuclear weapons and are trying to keep us from destroying their home.

      They could be carefully staged events by terrestrial government or corporate entities to distract us from the fact that we are becoming a one-world feudalistic society. Actually if you read a lot of the reports over the years, including the Rendlesham Forest case involving members of the British military, you'll find that a "carefully-staged" quality is something that a lot of the sightings share.

      I'm not saying I believe any of these things, but to say that the only possible explanations for the tens of thousands of sightings worldwide every year by reputable people are either space-visitors or hallucinations shows a distinct lack of curiosity.

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    22. Re:Religion Studies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is, how would you separate any real footage (if existing) from the fakery? It's fairly easy with commonplace hardware and 3D and video processing software to create fake footage that looks convincing. There's a lot of this on YouTube, at least some percentage of the people making them are honest enough to say it upfront - and you still get stupid questions in the comments.

      The other question is that if such things are not man-made in origin, why the hell come to this planet? Despite how nice Earth is in some regards, I bet a lot of people here would like to be able to leave it if they could. You'd also think any aliens heading this way would see or hear some stuff on TV or radio and say "What the hell is wrong with those over-evolved monkeys down there? Let's go somewhere else."

      That's not to say I haven't seen 2 or 3 objects which I could not clearly identify as conventional aircraft by flight behavior (nor out of focus flying animals like some footage shows), and therefore qualify as UFOs in that regard. But to say they're not man-made would be taking it to another level. I'm be more curious as to who on Earth owns them and what technology may be involved. (Unless there is some inherently dangerous quality or secondary application for the unusual propulsion tech, keeping it out of the mainstream can only be percieved as an inherently dick-ish behavior.)

    23. Re:Religion Studies by Larryish · · Score: 1

      No-one expects the Mexican Inquisition!

    24. Re:Religion Studies by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      There are quite a few other possibilities besides either being little green men from outer space or just hallucinations.

      First "just hallucinations" introduces a value judgment. The ability of the human mind to create things out of whole cloth is an amazing thing. Understanding these experiences as a product of mind alone is far more interesting that ideas about aliens or about hidden technological civilizations on Earth.

      But, yes, there are other possibilities...in the same sense that it's a "possibility" that you are actually a brain in a vat being fed signals, or that there is an invisible Elvis Presley clone in the room with you. (Can't see him? That proves he's invisible.) My favorite alternative UFO explanation is that they are telepathic projections from a civilization around the star Sirius -- not extraterrestrial visitors, mind you, but extraterrestrial broadcasts.

      However, these "explanations" do not explain the ways in which such observations have clearly been shaped by culture. One guy described the UFOs he saw as "flying saucers", and then for a while everyone saw saucers -- an effect that faded with time. Back before the mid 70s, people saw a variety of aliens -- then Close Encounters came out, and everyone started seeing Greys that look an awful lot like the critters in the UFOs in that movie.

      I think it was Asimov who said that claims can be divided into three categories: mundane, interesting, and bullshit. If you say you've got 50 kg of salt, that's mundane, and no reason I shouldn't take your word for it. If you say you've got 50 kg of gold, that's interesting, and I'm going to want to see it and maybe test it a bit before I believe you.

      But if you say you've got 50 kg of ununoctiumastatine, that's bullshit. We can't say it's completely impossible -- there's that brain-in-a-jar level of probability that you're a particle physics genius who's figured out a loophole -- but it's not a proposition worth entertaining seriously.

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  10. It might be a "neat" elective... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...but I suspect that this isn't a course you want to reference on your resume, unless you're applying at MUFON.

    I do wonder how many professionals (CIO/CTO's, at least) actually believe in little green men?

  11. Isn't that basically what the history channel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is for anymore?

  12. It doesn't sound crazy by chord.wav · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A rigorous scientific and professional approach would be far better than an amateur approach any day. Otherwise we deny the phenomenon entirely, or rely on amateur people who keep finding traces of them anywhere they look. You know they saying: "To a person holding a hammer, every problem is a nail."

    1. Re:It doesn't sound crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are correct of course, but you are also missing an important point.

      No rigorous scientific study has ever found anything of interest in these claims of extraterrestrial visitations. If they had, such courses would already be offered at multiple universities.

  13. You would think a religion for atheists... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    ...would be widely embraced on campus. And much of the "truth is out there" stuff is little more than a religion.

    The cultural phenomenon of the UFO is worthy of study, as is the SETI type stuff from the science end.

    1. Re:You would think a religion for atheists... by mog007 · · Score: 1

      There's already several religions for atheists. Buddhism, Objectivism, Raelism. Hell, even Scientology doesn't have deities.

    2. Re:You would think a religion for atheists... by Angua · · Score: 1

      ...would be widely embraced on campus. And much of the "truth is out there" stuff is little more than a religion.

      Wait. Why would an atheist, on or off campus, want to embrace any sort of a religion? I thought the whole point of being an atheist was to be rid of all that shit.

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  14. UFO is an acronym by RingDev · · Score: 5, Insightful

    UFO doesn't mean aliens, space visitors, or conspiracies.

    It means: Unidentified Flying Object.

    If you see a condensation trail high in the sky, you know that there is something creating it, but if it is too high for you to see, it is unidentified. It is flying. It is an object. You have just witnessed a UFO. There is nothing ridiculous about it at all.

    If this class focuses on the spotting of things you don't understand, and the process in which you go through to try to discover it's identity, then I'm all for it. A class that pushes students to come up with multiple possible theories and find ways to research them, to prove or exclude them, and to report on their findings.

    Seems like an awesome class idea to me.

    -Rick

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    1. Re:UFO is an acronym by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      From his quotes, he doesn't come off as a guy trying to disprove UFO sightings as alien encounters. Instead, he seems desperate to prove them.

      If he's teaching students to prove instead of attempt to disprove, he's doing it wrong... And let's face it, even if he's doing it right, as soon as they spread the course to other Uni's, those courses will be led by crackpots.

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    2. Re:UFO is an acronym by sorak · · Score: 1

      This guy seems to be a true believer, however. This sounds eerily like the "teach the controversy" issue with creationists. He cannot find evidence strong enough to convince the scientific community, so he is wanting to take his case directly to the public, where it will be viewed with a more credulous eye.

    3. Re:UFO is an acronym by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      You are making a good point for considering UFO's as object of science.

      Alas, here come another problem: science is as applicable to natural phenomena as much as they are recurring. The foundation of science is experiment which by definition of scientific experiment should be repeatable. The natural phenomena that are under science should be repeatable.

      If some UFOlogists observes each unusual phenomenon (UFO) only once, then there is not much science that could be developed around it.

      Resume: UFO is hardly science not because of it's subject (traditinally, aliens), but because it's very hard to apply scientific methodology to it.

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    4. Re:UFO is an acronym by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      It means: Unidentified Flying Object.

      If you don't count it as UFO if you identify it as airplane, then it cannot be an UFO either if you identify it as flying saucer. Especially anyone claiming to be abducted by an UFO is obviously lying: Assuming the abduction really happened, they could clearly identify the object as alien spaceship, therefore it wasn't an UFO.

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    5. Re:UFO is an acronym by istartedi · · Score: 1

      You just reminded me of a certain person who shall remain nameless for obvious reasons.

      I was standing outside with him, we were in a position where the building just blocked out the sun. He pointed out some white streaks whizzing by near the sun. "Those are UFOs" he said. "They're traveling at really high velocity".

      I thought about it for a few seconds. "Nope. Insects."

      This guy, no doubt, had seen some site where they were talking about UFOs flying near the Sun. It's realy just anything moving against a background that doesn't supply perspective cues. You don't get binocular vision at that distance. The clear blue provides no cues. An insect at 20 feet moving 5 mph looks like a spaceship at 100,000 feet moving mach 6 (not sure about the math, but you get the idea). They would both look like specs, with the same angular velocity.

      In the moment that I explained that to him, they ceased to be UFOs.

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    6. Re:UFO is an acronym by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Alas, here come another problem: science is as applicable to natural phenomena as much as they are recurring. The foundation of science is experiment which by definition of scientific experiment should be repeatable. The natural phenomena that are under science should be repeatable.

      More fundamentally, science is about observation. You make observations, construct a hypothesis which makes certain predictions, and then conduct further observations to either confirm or deny the predictions. This doesn't always take the form of a repeatable experiment. Sure if it's chemistry then anyone should be able to duplicate the results. However in geology or astronomy it is perfectly valid to observe an unusual phenomenon only once, and construct a hypothesis that predicts certain other phenomenon, and if you later observe that new phenomenon that's evidence for your hypothesis. All without repeatability.

      So even observing each UFO only once, it would be perfectly possible to construct hypothesis based on those solitary observations that allows for future observation to confirm or deny it.

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    7. Re:UFO is an acronym by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you know full well that that is not what people mean when they say UFO. They mean aliens. Sure, the term is inaccurate, but it's what people say, and that's not going to change.

    8. Re:UFO is an acronym by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      There's a bit of a difference, however. With UFOs, there is some evidence (however poor and grainy). With Creationism, there's zero evidence, other than a book of fables and legends on par with a book about unicorns.

    9. Re:UFO is an acronym by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      There's different kinds of science. Until the ETs land on the White House lawn and have a press conference, it's never going to be any more repeatable than fields such as paleontology and archaeology. With those fields, the only knowledge is from whatever fossils or artifacts you happen to dig up. If you're really lucky, you'll dig up other fossils and artifacts to compare with each other, but if you're not, you might only get a few bones from one particular species for example, and have to try to draw whatever conclusions you can from that. It's pretty hard to apply rigorous scientific methodology to something when you don't have much evidence, but that doesn't mean you should just give up. It means you proceed with the evidence you have, taking into account the fact that the evidence is scant.

      So until they show themselves, the only information about ET UFOs will be from whatever observations people happen to make, whatever video they happen to record, etc. And if the hypothetical ETs are actively attempting to avoid observation, evidence will probably continue to be scant.

    10. Re:UFO is an acronym by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No mod points and you're at the limit anyway, but I have to thank you for your post - too often people take the reasonasble and accurate term UFO to mean flying saucer.

    11. Re:UFO is an acronym by sjames · · Score: 1

      The whole field of inquiry is screwed. On one side you have the psycho-ceramics who see a light in the sky and "naturally" conclude a new-world-order conspiracy lead by the Freemasons and perhaps Bill Cosby*. On the other, you have scientists and other "authorities" who know very well that there isn't enough evidence to support any explanation at all but who nevertheless assert in the strongest terms that it is certainly swamp gas, a weather balloon, etc hoping to keep the psycho-ceramics at bay.

      As a result, neither side is appropriately scientific. If a class addresses THAT aspect, I'm all for it. Somehow I don't think that's how it would go though.

      *As far as I know, Mr. Cosby has not expressed an opinion either way

  15. Podunk professor by ZipprHead · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Podunk professor from community college in remote town close to Canada has crazy ideas and other news at 11.

    Seriously this made the front page of /.? This could be on the Onion!

    1. Re:Podunk professor by SmackTheIgnorant · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, The Onion would have a cover story like: "Guest speakers at university speak out against their oppression to include Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, Vampire, The Boogie-man, God, and other fictional characters"

  16. With so many sightings (around the world)... by clone53421 · · Score: 1

    I’d think they could get an actual picture of a UFO for TFS.

    (The picture came from here – translated from Dutch to English.)

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    1. Re:With so many sightings (around the world)... by Sabriel · · Score: 1

      I wonder if that's the actual original - a HD version would make a nice desktop background.

  17. Learn anything? by kiehlster · · Score: 1

    Nope, despite a masters degree in UFO studies, they're still unidentified flying objects.

  18. Voluminous != Worthwhile by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "We know people who think this is a nonsense subject. And we'll refer you to voluminous literature and facts about UFOs."

    Seriously? These guys do understand that "voluminous" literature doesn't equate to "quality literature", right? There are tomes and tomes on dragons at your local library, but I don't think many of us would consider "Draconic Studies" a worth academic pursuit.

    1. Re:Voluminous != Worthwhile by smooth+wombat · · Score: 2, Funny

      but I don't think many of us would consider "Draconic Studies" a worth academic pursuit.

      And why not? I think the class would be a good one as it discusses the differences between red, blue, green, yellow, white, etc dragons.

      One has to know ones enemy before they can defeat the enemy.

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    2. Re:Voluminous != Worthwhile by tibit · · Score: 1

      Where do I sign up?

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    3. Re:Voluminous != Worthwhile by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 1

      Wire your tuition to the bank account I've set up in Nigeria and we'll be set!

    4. Re:Voluminous != Worthwhile by hldn · · Score: 1

      why not? if more people take draconic studies we won't have to rely on christian bale and mcconaughey to defeat them.

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    5. Re:Voluminous != Worthwhile by ginbot462 · · Score: 1

      Was the "Draconic Studies" just bait? I'll bite. Cause, it's called Beowulf. There's a course at about every college concerning it.

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    6. Re:Voluminous != Worthwhile by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 1

      You're joking, right? Right!?

  19. Anthropology by c++0xFF · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think a class that studies those who believe in UFOs would definitely be worth of an anthropology class.

    Who are the believers? Why do they so strongly believe they saw a UFO? What is the cultural basis behind this belief? What are the equivalents in other societies? Ghosts? Evil spirits? Angels? A study of the people would be very interesting.

    I think this anthropology professor might even be qualified (if biased) to teach such a class.

    1. Re:Anthropology by Millennium · · Score: 1

      This. UFOs could be useful to study as a psychological or anthropological phenomenon. That's about as far as I'd want to take it in a college curriculum, though.

    2. Re:Anthropology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The class could also be labelled as a physics class too.

    3. Re:Anthropology by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 1

      Oh, I think you can take it quite a bit further. If well done, this could be a quite excellent "critical thinking" class that could be actually interesting to the students. Think about it - the process that transforms an "unidentified flying object" into an "identified flying object" is pure scientific method. The analysis of rumors, urban legends, popular beliefs and conspiracy theories is, apart from the anthropological value, an excellent exercise in critical thinking. Once you find that kernel of truth that actually spawned the rumor, belief or theory, you have thoroughly demystified it. It could teach the students not only to, but how to question such spurious theories in a fun, interesting and challenging setting. I like it.

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    4. Re:Anthropology by c++0xFF · · Score: 1

      Field trip: make your own crop circles.

      Full points are awarded if someone reports it as a UFO sighting. Extra credit if they refuse to believe you were the one that made it.

    5. Re:Anthropology by khallow · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's also worth noting that there are interesting mass psychology phenomena here. For example, belief in UFOs has declined in popularity since Y2K (IMHO though my opinion was backed in 2001 by anecdotal observation of ufology vendors at a conference in San Jose). There's been no change in knowledge of UFOs. What has changed?

    6. Re:Anthropology by maartendeprez · · Score: 1

      I think a class that studies those who believe in UFOs would definitely be worth of an anthropology class.

      You bet. That's exacly what an Anthro teacher of mine is doing. ^_^

      Well, to be honest,not exactly: UFO sightings are just one subtype of the phenomena he proposes to approach more with attentiveness and less with skeptiscism, especially in the study of religion. Basically, his point is that people believe in something, UFO's as alien visitors for example, this fact - the believer, not necessarily the object of belief - is significant in itself and worthy of study.

      While as humans we can strongly believe or disbelieve in intelligent extraterrestrial life circling our little planet Earth, anthropologists have no business in proving or disproving the actual existence of it - that's the job of physicists and other natural scientists. For anthropologists, it is the act of belief, the reason, the manner, and all other intricacies, that matter.

      I described his view in a short story at my universities anthro department blog, but unfortunately this post is in Dutch and google translate does a very crappy job.

      And regarding bias: we are all biased in one way or another. Consider the idea expressed in one of the previous comments that lawn mowing is a "normal" activity. Yes, for some of us, it is. But for people not grown up with the idea of short-mowed lawns, it may seem as alien an activity as sighting UFO's.

    7. Re:Anthropology by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Most of the UFOs were destroyed by the dreaded y2k bug.

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    8. Re:Anthropology by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Who are the believers? Why do they so strongly believe they saw a UFO? What is the cultural basis behind this belief?

      I used to read lots of UFO reports, and a good many of them are from what appear to be "ordinary" people, often in law enforcement (who can lose their job if caught lying because it makes them non-credible on the crime witness stand). They don't claim to believe in "ET" per se, only that they saw something really really odd that freaked them out.

      Even the main skeptics don't claim such people are usually making stuff up. The skeptics generally attribute it to a psychological phenomenon of some sort, a "trick of the mind" induced from pop culture exposure.

    9. Re:Anthropology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have seen plenty of UFOs - they were Unidentified Flying Objects, that is to say they were in the sky and I couldn't make them out. Given that I live close to a lake where sea-panes are taking off and landing throughout the day, they were probably planes, but I don't know.

    10. Re:Anthropology by Monkier · · Score: 1

      X-files has gone off TV?

  20. UFO University by ThePangolino · · Score: 0

    The think that should be studied here is the the people that are seeing such UFO's rather than studding something that is UNINDENTIFIED yet. Btw, I am curious to know. Do they have something to do with such idea?

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  21. I agree by GameMaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think this guy is right. There should be a class on this. I even have a name suggestion:

    Anthropology 150: The UFO Phenomenon as a Study in Mass Delusion

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    1. Re:I agree by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      I also suggest an advanced class on religion, a practical class on Apple fanboyism, and a special field trip to North Korea (where people are manipulated to seriously really believe, that if they touch something American, their hands will rot away).

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    2. Re:I agree by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Anthropology 150: The UFO Phenomenon as a Study in Mass Delusion

      The advanced class covers mainstream religion.

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    3. Re:I agree by Disfnord · · Score: 1

      We anthropologists prefer the term "culture" rather than "Mass Delusion". But yes, the cultural filter that causes people to assume "flying lights=alien brothers" would be an an interesting phenomenon to study.

  22. Because it's almost certainly not true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any intelligent species which has the technological capability to travel across the galaxy at will (think about that for a second) also has the capability to avoid the slightest trace of detection. If they've been here, mark my words, we don't know about it.

    Furthermore, if they do have the ability and desire to study us, they probably wouldn't even have to come here to do it. At that level, they can probably just push a button and instantly know everything about us, from clear across the galaxy.

    You've got to put this into perspective, and realize what kind of technological level we're talking about. They're not flying here in spaceships, that's for sure.

    1. Re:Because it's almost certainly not true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any intelligent species which has the technological capability to travel across the galaxy at will (think about that for a second) also has the capability to avoid the slightest trace of detection.

      [citation needed]

    2. Re:Because it's almost certainly not true by Skarecrow77 · · Score: 3, Funny
    3. Re:Because it's almost certainly not true by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      What exactly makes you think that such an alien species would somehow be able to bypass the need to send physical ships to a world to explore, and somehow be able to see it all from their home? Basically, you're talking about some type of wormhole-based technology where one can view the events at a remote location in real-time. What makes you think that someone who develops a way to travel FTL will also develop said wormhole technology? We don't even know how to actually accomplish FTL travel, or if it can even be done. We also don't know much about wormholes, and certainly haven't observed any. Just like FTL travel, they're purely theoretical. On top of all this, we still don't have a clue as to how gravity works; we only know that it exists and that we can predict its effects. Mark my words, when we figure out how gravity really works, then we'll be on the path to figuring out either FTL travel or wormholes. Until then, making any claims about a hypothetical alien race's level of technology is quite absurd. It's like a couple of cavemen arguing about whether people in the future will prefer texting or talking on their cellphones.

  23. Reverse Study by bsDaemon · · Score: 1

    Get a copy of Jane's aircraft guide and some of those silhouette flashcard that fighter pilots use to train. If it's not in the book or on the card, it's not a bird/bug/bat, and it flies, it's a UFO by definition.

  24. Lecturer or Professor? by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

    Which is it? One place the article says one, another it says the other. They are not the same thing.

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    1. Re:Lecturer or Professor? by PGOER · · Score: 0

      If he does have a doctorate its probably in para-psycology.

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  25. There's a place for it . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They could teach it under Abnormal Psychology.

  26. Also needed by SnarfQuest · · Score: 1

    We seriously need to be able to calculate the impact on Global Warming that is caused by these UFO's. We need to force them to buy Carbon Offsets to make up for the damage they are causing the enviornment! They probably don't even use florescent lights! They had better be getting at least 35 miles to the gallon too!

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  27. Actually a good idea by slimjim8094 · · Score: 1

    but perhaps not for the reasons he's suggesting or the outcome he wants.

    I think that the study of UFO's *societal* genesis and spread could be quite interesting, as part of some sociology thing. But as a serious study into their existence? I think not. Weren't there no UFO sightings before space movies? And if so, did they just happen to co-arrive?

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    1. Re:Actually a good idea by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Of course the question is what would someone who never even considered the possibility of extraterrestrial life, nor ever heard of other worlds, think if he saw something strange in the sky. He certainly wouldn't think of a flying saucer. Maybe he would think of an angel? Or maybe take it as omen of some sort, similar to e.g. comets?

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  28. It's been done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    UFOs have been put under plenty of scientific scrutiny, and absolutely nothing has ever stood up to the test. The very best results these fools can come up with is the occasional statistical outlier that they fixate on as proof that "it couldn't have happened by accident." The simple fact is, if there were any basis to this nonsense at all, it would have been proven true a long time ago. By the way, the same applies to ghosts, bigfoot, telekinesis, and prayer.

    1. Re:It's been done by Sabriel · · Score: 1

      Back when I was a teenager, many in my home city saw a bright golden triangular shape fly over the city. The local newspaper reported on it, including the usual "no aircraft were known to be in the area at that time".

      Let's see: Unidentified? Check. Flying? Check. Object? Check. Three out of three, seems to meet the criteria...

      Now I'd hazard a guess that when you said "UFO" you really meant "alien spacecraft" or somesuch, but if you're going to throw around phrases like "scientific scrutiny" and "statistical outlier", at least try to specific about what you're dissing. :)

  29. ignorance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    its amazing how many comment and make snap judgments without actually reading about the subject. Read Flying Saucers and Science by Stanton Friedman. He is an ex-propulsion scientist who worked on Project Orion. There are mountains of evidence despite other claims of there being none.

  30. I, for one... by vikingpower · · Score: 0, Redundant

    ...welcome our new anthropologic overlords.

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  31. Re:Crazy people are the subjects of many studies.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Psychology, neurology, philosophy. (To name but three.)

    Are UFOs believers somehow special, that they should be studied in isolation from the fields which already examine our beliefs?

  32. Bring 'Em On! by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

    There are broader social implications to UFO sightings. How common are UFO sightings? What impacts do UFO enthusiasts have on broader society? How have UFO sightings changed over time, and what can that tell us about the phenomenon. It is possible to debunk almost anything by explaining it away, but it's important to know that explications are merely hypotheses and do not represent a scientific endeavor in themselves.

    Like most (all?) college courses, this class would be a bunch of meaningless bullshit. But it seems unfair to exclude this particular field of study simply because many academics thumb their noses at it. I say bring on the "UFO Studies" graduates!

    1. Re:Bring 'Em On! by AkkarAnadyr · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the 'chupacabra', a bigfoot-ish phenomenon that seems to appear mainly in Hispanic communities, and not elsewhere.

      I'd be happy to research and discuss the cross-cultural aspects of such phenomena, if the school will pay my retainer for monthly lectures.

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  33. Correction: by brianleb321 · · Score: 1

    Crazy Professor Says UFO Studies Should Be Taught At Universities.

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  34. Long past due by unity100 · · Score: 1

    France, britain, russia already opened their secret ufo files to public. in some countries like mexico, ufo matters have never been a matter of 'national security' and were hush hushed. It is only united states that still hush hushes serious incidents, confiscates serious footages, and regularly invokes 'experts' to ridicule and demean any person that comes forth with anything ufo related. (including former usaf notables).

    it is evident that something is happening. especially in mexico. tens of thousands of people film various objects in the sky while commuting on crowded roads. entire neighborhoods watch objects in the sky for hours.

    first of all, it is BEYOND stupid to ridicule, hush-hush, write off these incidents as this or that, without ever getting one's ass off the chair. It is a scientific rule to go out and research, and try to find the real cause. Not retorting 'swamp gas', 'weather baloon', 'mass hallucination by 5000 people', 'my fart' and so on without lifting a finger. It is contradictory to the process of knowing, and learning.

    These branches have to be established in universities and colleges, and their research should be conducted just like how we research any other thing.

    1. Re:Long past due by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 3, Informative

      Project Blue Book
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Blue_Book

      The US did research it and did publish what they found. Of course they covered stuff up because the UFOs are classified aviation programs by USAF, CIA, USN and who knows what other TLA.

    2. Re:Long past due by unity100 · · Score: 1

      no, even project bluebook participants afterwards said that (long afterwards) the project was to satiate the media and the public and thwart any further inquiring eyes to the matter.

      search 'soviet jets chase ufos' in youtube, and watch the footage. and then tell me if the world has that kind of technology even now, leave aside then.

    3. Re:Long past due by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      The world has seen alot of bad video montages over the last 30 years. Ever since Star Wars and Silent Running came out this technology has existed.

      I did the search on YouTube, edits of Soviet Interceptors along with super grainy video of "objects" that could be models or CGI.

    4. Re:Long past due by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > search 'soviet jets chase ufos' in youtube, and watch the footage

      Youtube. It's the new wikipedia.

    5. Re:Long past due by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And still we only see shots films/photo from cellphones.
      Or more often 3Dstudiomax Maya, and other 3d software.

      How come that these days some people do have good equipment (astronomers, and professional photographers), and still we never see a big sharp picture from them.

      I tell you why

      They are all hoaxes, just like crop circles.
      The human kind is just easy in believing stories, be it ghosts, gods, super natural etc etc..
      Maybe as Dutchman without looking to much to holywood my mind is more clear, in the Netherlands almost no one believes in ET or UFO's in America its about 3/4 off all the people who belive in UFO's.

      Also although some dutch use weeds, we dont use antidepresivia as much as Americans, medicines + alcholics i think harm the mind.
      What worries me is that such a nation, is a world power, but mentally pretty ill i think.

    6. Re:Long past due by BlindRobin · · Score: 1

      True, so true, but the most successful cover up ws the USDA Rainbow Tail Unicorn Breeding Initiative in the 1980s. I understand the the success of the program resulted in the disappearance of all participants and subject livestock seen only by some kids and a big dog travelling in a "Mystery Machine".

    7. Re:Long past due by unity100 · · Score: 1

      http://www.history.com/shows/ufo-hunters/videos/soviet-archives#soviet-archives

      there. enjoy. some narration is there but after you will see the video itself.

      that video of the mig 21s chasing ufos is out of official soviet archives. its not 'cgi', its not manufactured, its not anything. it was a video kept as secret in ufo files, only to be released from the archives after fall of ussr.

    8. Re:Long past due by unity100 · · Score: 1

      http://www.history.com/shows/ufo-hunters/videos/soviet-archives#soviet-archives

      here. a hoax straight from soviet secret archives, with OFFICIAL, and GENUINE ufo video that was shot by soviet military. ussr mig 21s chase a ufo, and film it, and this film has been kept in soviet ufo files for 40 years, and released recently.

      and yea. tens of thousand of people witnessing ufos while commuting in mexico were all hallucinating. yea. fuck that.

      hoax my butt.

    9. Re:Long past due by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember kids, any evidence against a government conspiracy to cover up UFO sightings is just evidence for the conspiracy!

    10. Re:Long past due by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      Now how do you know it's "out of official soviet archives"? Unless Gregory Mitrovich smuggled it out and took it to Oxford is there proof?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2eV6oi-c1A

      The footage of the MiG-21s taking off all shows single seaters, but the footage inside is from a 2-seat trainer, which weren't used for interception and didn't generally carry a hand held film camera aboard, so color me skeptical of the "official soviet archive".

      Looks a hell of alot like a towed target for air to air gunfire testing.

      And if it is real footage (which I doubt as it's obviously a montage), how do we know its not a Soviet experimental device, after all the Soviet were really good at giant very fast cruise missiles. Really we can't tell anything from the YouTube video because its a montage of different footage with numbers of "speed" just made up.

      The video from History sure looks like the delta wing of a B-70, an aircraft that has been mentioned for years as being the mothership for supersonic and hypersonic aircraft and being a giant plane that could out run anything the Soviets had.

    11. Re:Long past due by unity100 · · Score: 1

      man.

      history channel made a documentary on soviet ufo files that were opened to public, taken the video out of those files released, and you are still contesting it ?

      you just dont want to believe, force yourself to disbelieving nomatter what. now, lets say i brought up the archives directly to you. this time you will say that russians faked the video in order to fool nato ?

      http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/378/16663_UFO.html

      http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/378/16663_UFO.html

      http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=CDU&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&q=soviet+ufo+files&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

      spare some effort, will ya.

    12. Re:Long past due by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      The History channel also makes shows about Nostradamus being right and that the world will end in 2012, they are not the end all be all source of what is "history".

      The Soviet "Blue Folder" is nothing different than USAF Project Blue Book in its scope, per the Pravda article you linked.

      From the Google search, yea, I believe www.ufodigest.com or www.ufocasebook.com are going to be level headed and balanced sources. Even ufocasebook says - "The case of the 1969 retrieval and autopsy are difficult to assess. Until more information is uncovered, it will remain unsubstantiated."

      I'd be really excited for proof of UFOs be them secret spyplanes, spaceplanes or even real goshdarned aliens, but the YouTube video, the History "documentary" and websites devoted to the cause aren't convincing.

    13. Re:Long past due by unity100 · · Score: 1

      now, man, let me put it this way :

      soviet ufo files were opened up. innumerable people and organizations from all around the world jumped in. all of them pulled out various stuff from the files, one of these being this video.

      up to date, noone has contested that the video wasnt in the soviet archives. probably you are the first to do that.

      with enough effort one can get to the archives itself, and acquire the video from therein, yet, i apologize but i cant spare that effort just to remedy your skepticism. there is a certain point where skepticism goes off scale to stubbornness, if you pardon my meaning.

    14. Re:Long past due by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      And theres very little scholarly work done on these Soviet UFO Files.

      Amazon, biggish book store, and I search "Soviet UFO archives" - 1 book from 1975

      "soviet UFO files" - 5 books and a DVD

      "russian UFO" - 33 books, but nothing that really smacks of scholarly work.

      Now if we go "Soviet KGB" (this I'm more familiar with, having researched the KGB's funding of the Peace and Anti-Nuclear Movements) and there are over 750 works, some of them, like Vasili Mitrokhin's archives, from the original sources which he smuggled out. By the way, there is nothing in Vasili Mitrokhin's archives, which are extensive, about the UFOs. Now KGB is where the "real" UFO archives would be, so why is there nothing in the KGB's crown jewels about the UFOs?

      On April 5 there was a conversation about the Solar Flare, which you said you didn't trust NOAA or SOHO to accurately forecast solar weather because they are the Federal Government. But you'll trust the Soviets to be accurate about UFOs?

      http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1607926&cid=31743048

    15. Re:Long past due by unity100 · · Score: 1

      yes, i trust ex soviet ufo files, because they are the released files of a now defunct government. from an era that which little number of people remain alive (from the top brass, those who would have effected those secrecy policies).

      had there been a huge change, revolution of sorts in usa, and then nasa's files were released by the following administration that took power after the revolution, with no obligation to preserve anything from the past, i would have more trust in those files, yes.

      in addition, there is more reason to trust soviet ufo files more than american files. soviets didnt shun the idea of alien contact, despite they have held them top secret. there were numerous movies in soviet era made by the state that depicts positive contacts with 'space explorers' that ussr sends out and alien entities. movies depicted encounters as casual chance meetings of fellow explorers in outer space. these were all done to warm up the public to the idea of ufos.

      this contrasts totally with usa's official stance in hush hushing any talk about ufos, marginalizing them, ridiculeing those who talk about them, and in general suppressing them, up till this date. this policy is still continuing, only with 'brief' tests done by other sources than nasa or nsa or cia (like in a usaf air force briefing that was done on the subject matter 4-5 years ago, and the spokesman remained silent and intentionally did not answer when he was asked whether usaf denies the existence of ufos, repeatedly). so, therefore, i cant trust nasa with anything regarding outer space, or anything in it thereof.

    16. Re:Long past due by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      Well, as a historian who has researched the Soviet Union, at least the last 20 years of the USSR, I can say that I trust them about as far as I can throw the Urals.

      A society who wouldn't tell the truth about something as simple as the KAL 007 or their experiences in Afghanistan* can't be trusted with something like this.

      * The Bear went over the Mountain - http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=ADA316729 - shows how clueless and adverse to the truth the Soviet and Russian military were and are.

    17. Re:Long past due by speederaser · · Score: 2, Informative

      http://www.history.com/shows/ufo-hunters/videos/soviet-archives#soviet-archives

      there. enjoy. some narration is there but after you will see the video itself.

      Oh please. That thing is clearly a triangular weather balloon viewed from below, like this one.

    18. Re:Long past due by unity100 · · Score: 1

      your example doesnt have a direct parallel with what we are discussing. its not about being clueless, its about societal ramifications.

      my point is, in soviet russia secrecy was a state policy. everything noticeable was secret. if you held ufo files secret, suppressed it, noone would question you or try to sue you or try to hold you accountable for the action later when ussr went down. because it was practically the same about everything.

      not so in usa. usa has an 'open' society in many respects, or it claims to be. to hold a fact as secret from the society with no solid justifiable cause for over 50 years, and then letting these files open, while all the people who lied to public outright are still alive to be burned at the stake, is infeasible.

      what they are going to say "hey, you usaf pilots, civilian pilots, researchers, tv hosts etc lost your jobs, ridiculed, alienated from society because we were suppressing these information and effecting a coverup because of this and that national security concern. ooops. sorry" ?

      there are innumerable people who would sue the hell outta these people in usa.

      whereas this is not a reality in ussr.

    19. Re:Long past due by unity100 · · Score: 1

      which ? that video is not the one im talking about. im talking about the one that speeds up while 3 migs are chasing it.

  35. An opinion that differs from the others by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm shocked at how closed minded so many of you are. A lot of things sound ridiculous until you start learning about them. Here on slashdot we have tons of comments from people who have absolutely no knowledge of an area that are just dismissing it because it doesn't fit into their limited view of reality. I am not a "believer," but I sure as hell am not a pseudo-skeptic debunker either.

    I have dedicated many hours to studying these things, so let me say a few things. I'm going to stick with abduction phenomenon, because I find that to be the most fascinating and the most controversial. First off, it happens to people from all walks of life. It even happens in cities. It happens to police officers, soldiers, teachers, and software engineers. It tends to "run in the family," meaning if a parent of yours had had the abduction phenomenon you are likely to as well. The stories that the vast majority of people report tend to greatly overlap in descriptions of things they saw, equipment used on them, etc. Most people that do report it are embarrassed and many are very disturbed and emotional about what has happened to them. They don't usually want any publicity. People who this happens to repeatedly often just want it to stop happening. In other words, the great majority of cases aren't people seeking attention.

    You may think that maybe this can all be mental phenomenon that perhaps people are genetically predisposed towards, but you'll have to look at the physical scarring that often occurs, the implant studies, the many cases that have had lots of witnesses, the cases where many people were abducted, etc.

    A funny thing about this phenomenon is that it doesn't fit into any category very well. The more you study it the less sense any theory makes. People start proposing ideas like maybe these aren't physical beings but inter-dimensionals (whatever that means.) Some have noticed similarities between historical accounts of demon abduction and fairy abduction. Some people speculate on the motives of the beings. All we can really tell from studying this is that there is definitely some phenomenon occurring, it is extremely disturbing and embarrassing to the people that it happens to, it often has physical effects, and it we don't yet have any model that can explain it.

    I know I'm not going to sway anyone's opinion with the little things I have time to write here. If you are willing to at least consider that something really is happening to people I suggest you find some books. Since the study of these things is not allowed to be discussed openly by scientists or at universities there are a lot of nuts that end up writing and lecturing about these topics. Many of them are the attention and money seeking people exploiting the phenomenon for their gains. Luckily there are some good people as well and some scientists that have risked their careers by exploring these things. It is hard to make suggestions as many authors have good and bad areas, but as an introduction I'd recommend Budd Hopkin's book "Missing Time."

    1. Re:An opinion that differs from the others by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you, Budd Hopkin!

    2. Re:An opinion that differs from the others by Lurker2288 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I suggest you read Carl Sagan's 'The Demon-haunted World.' He dedicates an entire chapter to describing a perfectly plausible theoretical explanation for abduction stories which does not require any kind of alien (or otherwise supernatural) phenomenon.

      For me, it's a fairly simple question. We know that people are prone to confusion, delusion, and wishful thinking. We know that people sometimes believe very strongly in things which do not exist. On the other hand, we have no tangible evidence of abductions, or any of their related phenomenon. So what is more likely: some people have weird delusions of otherwordly encounters, or aliens are here, and they spend all their time skulking around screwing with people and covering up all signs of their presence?

    3. Re:An opinion that differs from the others by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm the poster from above, and I had read Demon-haunted World, though that was about a decade ago. I just went now and reread that chapter.

      http://storage.worldispnetwork.com/books/The_Demon-Haunted_World.pdf

      I like that Sagan is at least somewhat familiar with the major research in the field. His style of skepticism is much better and more open than some others (such as Randi who fits the definition of a pseudoskeptic perfectly.) Still, I don't find any of his attempts to simplify things down into psychological explanations too compelling. The chapter I reread doesn't really have conclusions, though I know he tried to bring things together in later chapters. If there is something I am forgetting of importance, please remind me.

      The problem with what Sagan writes about is that he doesn't touch the physical evidence aspects or mass abductions where people who didn't know each other report the same things. There is a mountain of strange evidence out there. I don't know what it means, but I know that it can't just be dismissed.

      One thing I like about Sagan is that he admits these things deserve to be researched. He does latch too strongly onto skepticism, but despite that he doesn't completely close his mind. He agreed there was something going on but always tried to use explanations like sleep paralysis that just don't fit. Things like that don't explain abductions with unrelated witnesses, identical scarring reported by abductees, implants, missing time, etc.

    4. Re:An opinion that differs from the others by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you haven't already, Try reading "why people believe weird things" by michael shermer. Since reading this i'm convinced that there are no such things as ghosts, and that aliens aren't visiting the earth, whereas before i think i just adopted the attitude that the huge body of anecdotal evidence for both of them must indicate something, no smoke without fire, etc.

      If you are interested in skepticism in general I can recommend the podcasts skeptoid, skepticality and the skeptics guide to the universe

      The betty and barney hill episode of skeptoid is quite enlightening. There are quite a few UFO episodes.

      The shermer book is essential reading.

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    5. Re:An opinion that differs from the others by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how exactly does that book account for the mass of physical evidence?

    6. Re:An opinion that differs from the others by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [above coward] I didn't need skeptoid to tell me that the betty and barney hill case wasn't a great one. That one suffered from one of the warning signs. Betty was obsessed with the topic and seemed to like the attention. The only physical evidence that means anything is the radar blip, but alone it means nothing. Betty and Barney hill is not a good case. Looking at a few bad cases (even if they are popular) and seeing flaws doesn't justify dismissing hundreds of thousands of other cases.

      You will always find the things that fit your biases. Skepticism poisons your mind and makes you unable to see things outside of your limited reality. I'm not saying we shouldn't be skeptical. Instead I'm saying we should consider things more openly. If you approach things as a skeptic you will consistently find things to doubt and miss things that don't fit. If you approach it with an open mind you can still be skeptical, but you will at least have a chance of seeing a bigger picture.

      To people that study the paranormal, UFOs, abductions and other strange things the pseudo-skeptic debunkers just seem like jokes. They cherry pick the flawed data and ignore the interesting. They fail to understand the complexities of the issues and the interconnections between the theories. The world they debunk is so simplified and dumbed down that to the people who live on the other side it just seems absurd and insulting.

      I recommend that you read books in the field. Not books by skeptics, as it sounds like you already have. And definitely not books by believers either. Instead find books by authors who have approached the subject with a skeptical mindset but not as skeptics and who have then explored the the field and various cases. If you do that with an open mind I have little doubt that you will have to admit that there is something going on here far more complex and interesting than any solution proposed by the skeptics can account for.

    7. Re:An opinion that differs from the others by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 1

      It accounts for it by pointing out that there is no mass of physical evidence, just stories about evidence and an unending plethora of ambiguous videos and photos. If you have some verifiable evidence there are a lot of skeptics that would be fascinated to see it. That isn't meant sarcastically.

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    8. Re:An opinion that differs from the others by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 1

      Who would you regard as genuine skeptics in the field? Can you point me to some compelling evidence that the sources I've looked at so far are likely to have ignored?

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    9. Re:An opinion that differs from the others by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wrote a longer reply that didn't show up for some reason.

      In short, if you want to evaluate these things you need to research the field. You clearly are skeptical and handing you a single piece of evidence from afar will likely just result in you finding some perceived flaw and dismissing the whole. Read some literature and learn to see the big picture before making judgments.

      There is plenty of physical evidence out there and a lot of it has been examined in private and university labs. Scientists have often been very surprised and confused by what they find, but also very hesitant to move forward in anyway that would have their names associated with topics like UFOs or aliens. You shouldn't have trouble finding things like medical doctors that remove implants and send them to labs or people that specialize in gathering evidence at reported landing sites. You can find lots of interviews with them as well. I recommend the long-form (several hour) Coast to Coast AM interviews with these types of people, because from that you get a much better feel for the topic and the person than you would out of a modern news 5 minute segment.

      There are a lot of wacky people out there, but that doesn't do anything to discredit those that are more sane. Watch out for anyone who claims to have answers to the big questions. The researchers who just present evidence and admit they don't have the answers (though they may speculate) are the most useful.

      Look with an open mind and I have no doubt you will find lots of things that don't fit into your model including physical evidence. Claiming that it is all anecdotal is just misinformation.

    10. Re:An opinion that differs from the others by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Skepticism is not science or scientific. You shouldn't be looking for "genuine skeptics." I know the majority of the slashdot crowd will disagree with me on this, but the pseudoskeptic debunkers are just as damaging as pseudo-scientific snake oil salesmen. Occam's Razor is a general principal, but not a law by any means. Every piece of evidence is separate from every other and if you want to be truly logical it must be examined on its own.

      I don't recommend any skeptics. Everyone, skeptic or otherwise, picks out details that seem to match their world-view. This means that a skeptic examining a strange topic like we discuss here is likely to pick out any perceived flaws and attach importance to those rather than to the data that is actually interesting. Skeptics are good for presenting a contrary view-point, but they are not good for gaining an understanding of a topic or field.

      Instead of skeptics find researchers. Preferably scientists, but in the strange fields scientists often don't want to risk their careers so there aren't as many of them. Instead find people who are quality researchers who document and record evidence and then present it as is. They can speculate but they should present that out of line with the evidence so that it is very clear what is a fact and what is an idea. They should be the true skeptics, meaning they should maintain uncertainty to matters that go beyond the facts. These types of people are the ones through which you should be introduced to the field and the evidence.

      There are no perfect researchers. They are all human, and the more interesting their research the more they are attacked by skeptics. When these attacks are sensible they are good and may even raise excellent questions, but an occasional flaw with the researcher doesn't in anyway justify dismissing all the evidence presented by the researcher. (Unless of course there is substantial evidence that they were faking or otherwise misusing evidence.)

    11. Re:An opinion that differs from the others by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 1

      Any evidence is anecdotal unless it's verifiable. Can you recommend a researcher who has access to some physical evidence that can be examined by other people?

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    12. Re:An opinion that differs from the others by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Careful not to take that too far. By that attitude all of science where you can't verify the evidence is "just" anecdotal. That accounts for almost all of science. You are always taking someone's word for it. This is where peer review comes in, and I agree these researchers ideally should be held to those same standards. Unfortunately, most scientists won't go near these topics other than to blindly debunk, and so peer review often fails to occur. This hasn't stopped some researchers from doing things like sending samples to multiple unrelated labs to get separate results to compare.

      I already suggested checking out Hopkins. He isn't much of a physical evidence guy, but he provides a good introduction. Occasionally his research techniques are imperfect, but he comes off as very sincere. By his later books he documents everything so carefully that even if you throw away the hypnosis accounts the amount of documented "coincidences" are just staggering. Stanton Freidman is good for general UFO research. Jacques Vallee is a classic researcher. For more physical things Dr Roger Leir is interesting, but very controversial. Derrel Sims specializes in physical evidence, though I have some serious doubts about his work. Bill Chalker similarly specializes in such things, but I've never checked out his work. Ted Phillips always was working on interesting physical trace evidence, but he seemed to drop off the grid. You may be able to find some old interviews with him. Linda Moulton Howe is a reporter that specializes in these topics. While she sometimes fails to get the full picture of the science she occasionally provides excellent research and interviews that sometimes are about physical evidence.

      If you bother to look rather than making assumptions you will find that many researchers (include the small sampling mentioned above) have dealt with physical evidence and have had it investigated by professional labs. There is no shortage of information available.

    13. Re:An opinion that differs from the others by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 1

      Careful not to take that too far. By that attitude all of science where you can't verify the evidence is "just" anecdotal. That accounts for almost all of science.

      I would disagree with that completely. There's a difference between something being unverifiable, and something that you haven't personally verified. By definition all scientific evidence is verifiable.

      Thanks for the list of names - i'll have a rummage around and give them a read, i'm sure it will be interesting stuff.

      I realise you probably regard it as hostile to the subject that you're interested in, but I can't recommend enough "Why people believe weird things" by micheal shermer - if only as a fascinating examination of human psychology.

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    14. Re:An opinion that differs from the others by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would disagree with that completely. There's a difference between something being unverifiable, and something that you haven't personally verified. By definition all scientific evidence is verifiable.

      Verifiable to whom? Do you have samples of rock from the moon? Can you do mass spectrometry? Do you keep an electron microscope or maybe something equivalent to the Large Haldron Collider in your basement? Any evidence that you don't have direct access to can be called anecdotal (if you'd like to call it that) and that includes the bulk of scientific evidence. Sure, it is verifiable if you have access, but access is limited.

      The evidence on the UFO front, like most things, is directly available to limited people. There are lots of soil samples, strange objects, radar data, objects removed by doctors claimed to be implants, etc. The evidence is there and verifiable. That you don't have access to it doesn't make it any less verifiable. If you owned a reputable private lab and you contacted a lot of the big names saying that you wanted to help, then suddenly a lot of evidence would be very accessible to you.

      Thanks for the list of names - i'll have a rummage around and give them a read, i'm sure it will be interesting stuff.

      I realise you probably regard it as hostile to the subject that you're interested in, but I can't recommend enough "Why people believe weird things" by micheal shermer - if only as a fascinating examination of human psychology.

      I've been reading and skimming that book. I read some of the early chapters and the "Abducted" chapter in full. I skimmed a lot of the later chapters, especially things on evolution and creationism. I understand the thought process in there may be worthwhile, but I couldn't bring myself to sit through it in full.

      I also listened to a debate with Shermer. (Subscribers only, but http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2007/08/01) The debate was with Stanton Friedman. I thought Shermer did pretty badly, mainly because he wasn't familiar with the evidence and tried to claim that he didn't need to be. Over and over again it seemed like he examined a small amount of evidence, came up with a large generalized explanation, and then decided nothing else was worth looking at. A skeptic would have considered all evidence independently, but Shermer doesn't. That puts him more in the camp of pseudo-skeptics and debunkers. That isn't to say he didn't have some points of Friedman, but just that overall I think he was really weak. Even though I don't agree with Sagan's conclusions, I liked that Sagan was somewhat willing to explore the fields. Shermer seems to conclude that it is unnecessary to explore the fields citing reasoning that resembles Occcam's razor.

      For similar reasons I found his book unconvincing. The problem is that there is physical evidence. He can claim over and over again that there isn't, but that doesn't make it go away. And even on the non-physical front he speculates about psychological explanations, but those completely fail in cases with multiple people involved.

      I am not at all hostile to criticisms of the subject. I think these subjects need to be looked into and studied by a lot more people in a lot more detail. I find self proclaimed skeptics to be pretty hostile towards anything that doesn't fit into their worldview. I'm all for skepticism in the proper-sense, but not as an ideology in itself. I think critical thinking is very important and everyone should know the basic fallacies. Shermer unfortunately seems to repeatedly commit the straw-man fallacy. I think if Shermer actually did research the subjects he was attacking with an open mind he would find himself in a proper state of uncertainty as to what to conclude from the huge body of information.

  36. Bullshit by unity100 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The video quality has been improved ever since video cameras became commonplace.

    YET, now there are people who reject ufo footages because 'they look too clean'.

    make up your mind first.

    if you cant trust anything, just go check Soviet ufo files. they are open, and history channel even ran a documentary with footage from within them. some of the footages are very very out of the ordinary. you can find them on youtube too.

    1. Re:Bullshit by NeoSkandranon · · Score: 1

      Quality has improved yes, but for much of that time it was: cheap, portable, quality, pick one (or two)   Now you can spend a relatively small amount and get a very capable recording device that fits in a coat pocket, that is what people are really getting at, i think.

      Personally I could see rejecting footage for being "too clean" but only in certain circumstances depending on the media from which it came and the reported recording device.  It would be like providing a "scan" of a polaroid instant photo with a razor sharp image of bigfoot, past the capabilities of the medium and therefore calling its credibility into question.

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    2. Re:Bullshit by unity100 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      search youtube for mexico ufo videos. such videos of the quality you seek is commonplace there, because ufos, for some reason, appear en masse there with no hesitations, for hours.

    3. Re:Bullshit by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Some were proven to be mistaken identity. The "bottom" of the disks always lined up with the pixel orientation of the vid camera, strongly suggesting they were an imaging artifact, perhaps of seagulls in the sun.

    4. Re:Bullshit by unity100 · · Score: 0, Troll

      SOME were proven to be mistaken identity. why do you even feel the need to mention that ? in among any lot, there are some that do not deliver. and this is a rule that never fails to be valid for ANYthing in life. why is the particular need to specifically mention that ?

      yea, pixel orientation of the vid camera, this that, and all the cases of ten thousand people, entire slums that wathced objects here and there in different cases happen to be hallucinating ?

    5. Re:Bullshit by unity100 · · Score: 1

      what is this ? there is an 'anti-ufo' lobby in slashdot mass moderating down any post that is positive towards the concept ? the parent is posted 'troll'. give me a break hahahaha

    6. Re:Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a fucking idiot.

  37. I should point out. by zerospeaks · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "It's about time we looked into this as a worthy area of study." They did. And after millions of dollars and decades of research they concluded that it was a waste of time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Blue_Book

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    1. Re:I should point out. by thedonger · · Score: 1

      It is worthy as a topic in a psychology or sociology class, but otherwise:
      [profressor]: What is that in the sky? [student]: I don't know. [professor]: Very good! You get an 'A.'

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  38. Rationality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously you want to be rational about UFOs? Saying that they obviously exist because some flying things have not been identified?

    You must be new here.

  39. UFO deserve to be studied by mobby_6kl · · Score: 1

    They were certainly an important phenomenon especially in the 70s, so it can be expected that some people are not too familiar with them nowadays. Yet, they are responsible for some very important, memorable, and fascinating things from that period, and can still be observed around the world even today. I suggest that anyone with a slightest interest in such things does some further research into this topic.

    1. Re:UFO deserve to be studied by ryantmer · · Score: 2, Funny

      They were certainly an important phenomenon especially in the 70s

      Other things that were popular in the 70s: these. Coincidence?

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    2. Re:UFO deserve to be studied by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I THINK NOT!

  40. Make it part of a broader class on self-deception by Sarusa · · Score: 1

    Others have suggested this would go well with a religion class, but I really wish everyone had a class at some point on why people are biased to believe dumb things because of our biological tendency to recognize patterns even if they're not there and how you can combat that tendency in yourself. Commercial advertising tactics would play a big part of this, as would religion/cult tactics, new age anything, 'audiophiles,' fan death, etc. UFOs fit right in.

    Not saying that Unidentified Flying Objects don't exist (obviously they do), but rather what conclusions you choose to draw from that.

  41. that was a very spiritual statement of yours by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    i am moved by the religiosity of that thought: "a ufo is free forever"

    this emotional moment has changed my life. i need to spread the word, start a movement

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    1. Re:that was a very spiritual statement of yours by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you utterly missed the point.

      A UFO is *BY ITS VERY DEFINITION* unidentified. Otherwise it's just another regular FO. Like a plane. Or a weather balloon.

  42. The one real UFO contact case by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I invite you all to begoin your FREE study of the only scientifically proven, still ongoing (more than 68 years!) UFO contact case, the Billy Meier case in Switzerland. If extraterrestrials are coming her ein UFOs, there has to be a reason for it. And the reason isn't to give us lights in the sky to chase, it's to help us assure our own future survival.

    The scientific information in the Billy Meier UFO case is in itself so extraordinary, for its accuracy and for the fact that Meier has published it years, even DECADES, in advance of "official" discovery that I can't think of any university that wouldn't want its students, and teachers, to have an opportunity to learn about, and question, it thoroughly. And my presentations on the material have run as long as four hours; there's no shortage of it. For the knee-jerk naysayers, we've defeated every challenge from the top international professional skeptics. Check it out: www.theyfly.com

    Michael Horn

    1. Re:The one real UFO contact case by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Billy Meier is not the best case, its Betty and Barney Hill

            You see who in their right mind and in an inter-racial marriage would dare draw attention to themselves in the early 60's!

      P.S. Predicting climate change aka global warming is nothing short of well nothing, its like saying it may rain tomorrow

  43. so what's the matter with that... by Jodka · · Score: 1

    The issue is poorly framed because she real sources of controversy are not whether "UFO studies" is taught but whether it is taught be skeptics or believers and whether it is publicly or privately funded.

    For instance, your position might be to both endorse publicly-funded skepticism of alien encounters and to permit privately-funded teachings alien encounters. Then it is misleading to frame the issue as being for-or-against UFO education.

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  44. Nothing new here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At Temple University, since 1994, they had an UFO class taught by David Jacobs, Ph.D

    .

  45. A lot of credentialed people have crazy stories by frog_strat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think this topic demands some rigorous scientific study. You look at the number of govt / intelligence / military industrial people / astronauts coming out with these "I want to say this before I die" stories, and it makes one wonder. Either they are lying, crazy, or telling the truth. I find it hard to believe they are all lying or crazy.

    1. Re:A lot of credentialed people have crazy stories by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 1

      Crazy stories like Geithner's testimony on C-Span?

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  46. Clouds? by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1

    Parachute? Kite? Weather Balloon? Lightning? Auroa... auraoa... pretty lights in the sky?

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    1. Re:Clouds? by squinty_s · · Score: 1

      Everything in the sky is a UFO until its identified. Some are never identified, thus they remain UFO's. The connection between UFO's and alien craft needs to be severed.

  47. Skip Michael Horn by mschuyler · · Score: 1

    He's part of the problem. But here's the "Official UFO Quiz" to test yourself on what you do know. http://www.scribd.com/doc/13586254/The-Official-UFO-Quiz

    Michael Horn is a tireless, fast-talking promoter of Billy Meier who will argue with you endlessly trying to make you believe that the Billy Meier photographs are real. Actually, the pics have been proven fake many times. They've used garbage can lids, models, and props. They've lifted pictures from books--one of a dinosaur to 'prove' Billy traveled back in time. Besides being fake, it's about the silliest story you could ever read. If you want to make UFOs a laughingstock subject, this is the way to do it.

    Horn can talk all he wants, but the fact is, he's flat out busted.

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    1. Re:Skip Michael Horn by Michael812 · · Score: 2, Funny

      We have defeated EVERY skeptical challenge to the Meier case, as you can read - for FREE - at the site. Further, Meier is simply the source of the most abundant, specific, prophetically accurate scientific and world event related information in human history, something the naysayers and defamers simply can't address. The person who's posted the plainly inaccurate and defamatory claims in response to my post has a very vested interest in Meier not being genuine. Unfortunately for mschuyler, 68 years worth of contacts and information easily prove him wrong. But take no one's word for it, check it out for yourself and be prepared to deal with voluminous documentation in the process. The plain, irrefutable fact is that there really is no other UFO contact case than Meier's. All the rest, as you can easily see, are lights-in-the-sky that simply leave people conjecturing, with absolutely zero evidence, let alone real proof, that there's anything extraterrestrial - or even significant - about them.

  48. No it isn't, it is actually increasing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why didn't you even Google this:

    http://www.google.no/search?q=increase+in+ufo+sightings&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rlz=1R1GGGL_en___NO343&client=firefox-a

    Top hits:
    Report - Massive increase in UFO sightings in 2009, tracking group ...
    Huge rise in British UFO sightings - Telegraph
    End Times Prophecy News: UFO Sightings Increase
    UFO Sightings Increase in China - UFO Evidence
    Massive Increase In UFO Sightings The Daily Llama

    Oh yeah, I forgot.. This is /. We don't need to research anything. Our spine will actually tell us the Truth!

    1. Re:No it isn't, it is actually increasing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you know how to read? He said that the _quality_ of sightings hasn't increased, not that the quantity of sightings hasn't.

      Oh yeah, I forgot, you're just a low IQ UFO nutjob who is incapable of reading four sentences.

  49. Why not by turbotroll · · Score: 0

    After all, many universities already teach homeopathy and other forms of quackery and pseudoscience, so why not add ufology to the list?

  50. Essential by gmuslera · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...in psychology and sociology courses. If they want to see crazyness and mass hysteria in action, is a perfect real world example. Probably would be useful in advertising related careers too. Why manipulate people when they can perfectly manipulate themselves?

    Anyway, i would put it in the same course as religion, probably those kind of "wonders" are the kind of things that started most current religions, attribute what you cant recognize or understand as an act of gods, ghosts or aliens is cultural, next ones could be mutants, murphy fields, time machines or quantum entanglement.

  51. Exercise in Futility by oakwine · · Score: 1

    If governments have not come to any solid conclusions over this long period of time, it is very unlikely a university course will have anything significant to contribute. Except a raging debate between the skeptics and the true believers.

  52. I had a class on UFOs back in the late 70's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    It was at Temple, and actually given under the History department. The prof was David Jacobs:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Michael_Jacobs

    He seemed pretty reasonable back then. His position was that there was enough unexplainable stuff going on that something weird was happening that warranted further investigation.

    From the Wikipedia page on him, it seems he's gone a little more extreme on the subject these days.

  53. I put on my tinfoil hat amd robe... by srschatzer · · Score: 1

    Not trying to get too suspicious or too paranoid, but there's a small part of me that thinks the Govt. is slowly and purposefully getting people "used" to the idea and concept of alien lifeforms.

    Is it just me or have we seen a gradual increase in the amount of movies and T.V. shows about alien lifeforms and interaction with humans.

    District 9, Star Trek, Independence Day, Stargate, Voyager, etc, etc and countless other shows and movies that have come out in the last 30 yrs seem to suggest humans and aliens can somehow learn to communicate and co-habitate together.

    Could it all be a grand, elaborate scheme to indoctrinate earthlings to accept the idea and concept of other-world beings? Imagine how society would have freaked out 50yrs ago if we were presented with an actual alien life form? Now imagine how that same event, while as shocking as it would still be, would affect people today? I dare think mush less mass-hysteria and more wider acceptance among today's youth who have grown up with all these Sci-Fi films and TV shows bombarding them with the concept of alien life being a distinct possibility, albeit even normal...

    1. Re:I put on my tinfoil hat amd robe... by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 1

      Well, I've been used to the idea since I read my first science fiction book at age 8 in 1965. Enough already. They can visit if they want to.

      Hell, I'll open the first alien dating service.

      Single green female entity seeks human male for 1000 year long parasitic relationship. Must be healthy and of blood type O. Must want my several thousand children who will eat him alive from the inside at the end of our relationship. My pic gets yours.

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  54. Universities should teach ... by surfcow · · Score: 1

    Most people don't learn how to *think* until their late 20s, if then.

    I was hoping universities might start teaching classes in skepticism and rational inquiry so every third person I meet isn't a blithering idiot about science.

    But UFOs sounds much better. Why not angels or astrology or atlantis?

    1. Re:Universities should teach ... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Why "or"? After all, wasn't it angels in UFOs who destroyed Atlantis because their horoscope said it was a good day for destructive actions? :-)

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    2. Re:Universities should teach ... by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1

      Most people don't learn how to *think* until their late 20s, if then.

      That stuff is called 'irony' and you'll want to watch that you don't get any of it on your skin.

      I've found that those who most profoundly believe they know how to think are often the most fabulously knotted up inside.

      -FL

  55. uni course catalog... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ANTH 724 Chariots of the Flying Spaghetti Monster

  56. What about Crop circles ? by Exception+Duck · · Score: 1

    from article

    The main criticism of alleged non-human creation of crop circles is that while evidence of these origins, besides eyewitness testimonies, is essentially absent, many are definitely known to be the work of human pranksters and others can be adequately explained as such

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_circle

    1. Re:What about Crop circles ? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      The main criticism of alleged non-human creation of crop circles is that while evidence of these origins, besides eyewitness testimonies, is essentially absent, many are definitely known to be the work of human pranksters and others can be adequately explained as such

      You've mentioned the "eyewitness" word without the obligatory reminder that eyewitness evidence is pretty much the worst type of evidence of all.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_circle

      Any alien using crop circles to spam their new "indie" album is using a medium hopelessly contaminated by human pranksters, and is probably so stupid as to not be worth contacting.

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  57. it is taught in college - in psychology class... by chachacha · · Score: 1

    ...where it belongs, alongside other phobias, irrational behavior, groupthink, etc.

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  58. And the most important part of the lesson will be by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 1

    that a fool and his/her money are soon parted.

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  59. A significant question for science by CRL2002a · · Score: 2, Informative

    IMHO, unexplained aerial phenomena (I hate the term 'UFOs') are quite an open question. There is a lot of data out there to establish the reality of the phenomenon and that a significant number of events are unexplained. Probably the best are a number of radar/visual cases occurring in the 1950s and 1960s, in which multiple radars and multiple aircraft all tracked an anomaly for a lengthy period of time. For a good summary of unexplained cases, I recommend looking up the report of the Sturrock Panel (http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/SturrockPanel.htm). This panel examined some of the best evidential aerial anomaly cases and concluded that there was a significant unexplained component to the UFO phenomenon. There are several other good reports, but I recommend this one as a good place to start.

  60. Psuedoscience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Professor Rory Coker teaches a class that covers this area at the University of Texas at Austin. It's called Psuedoscience and the class is phenomenal. That is really all that needs to be said about the subject of UFOs in a school setting.

  61. I agree, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    with one difference. universities should offer classes on UFOs and other unexplained phenomena from human social psychosis

  62. Astronomy 333 at WWU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I took "The Search for Life in the Universe" in college, Astronomy 333 at Western Washington University. UFO's were discussed, but the topics included travel, biology and chemistry, planetary habitation zones and other important details about the possibilities of intelligent alien life. I still have the book at home....

  63. No one talks about "Unidentified Running Objects" by FoolishOwl · · Score: 1

    Millions have seen "UFOs"? Then it's obviously not about identifying things that weren't seen clearly. Every person who has ever lived and who has the sense of sight has observed things, moving or still, in the air, on the ground, in the water, that the observer couldn't identify.

    No, Philip Hasely is arguing that a delusion should be taken seriously, just because it's popular.

  64. Re:Crazy people are the subjects of many studies.. by ISoldat53 · · Score: 1

    See Michael Shermer's "Why People Believe Weird Things."

  65. UFO Class prerequisites... by lexsird · · Score: 1

    UFO Class prerequisites...

    Tinfoil Cranial Protection Technology & It's Application 101
    Introduction to Conspiracy Theory
    Intermediate Conspiracy Theory
    Extraterrestrial Fiction in Modern Media Pre-Star Wars
    Extraterrestrial Fiction in Modern Media Post-Star Wars
    Klingonese 101

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  66. I'm all for this... by kuzb · · Score: 1

    ...as soon as someone actually manages to take an in-focus photograph.

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    1. Re:I'm all for this... by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1

      ...as soon as someone actually manages to take an in-focus photograph.

      Good for you. Will you believe in airplanes when somebody manages to take an in-focus photograph of one?

      -For the sake of the argument, only photographs of random, unexpected appearances of airplanes should be considered. Not surprisingly, there aren't too many such photos around. The fact of the matter is that it's hard to take good photos of anything in the sky with consumer grade photographic gear on sudden notice.

      It's also quite bold to assume that certain of the weird objects which have appeared in the sky are not already blurry by their nature. UFOs tend to be accompanied by episodes of high strangeness which affect our technology in unpredictable ways.

      But never fear! There are pictures of weird objects which are quite good. But those ones don't generally count in the minds of people who have already made up their minds.

      -FL

  67. Proof that UFOs exist by Shompol · · Score: 1
    All phenomena can be divided into two categories:
    • Explained
    • Un-explained (some of them gotta be, or else we would not need scientists, would we?)

    They can also be classified as

    • Flying
    • Floating
    • Standing still.... etc

    So, the Un-explained Flying phenOmena are the UFO, and once some specimen are identified, they need to be studied, explained and reclassified as EFO. Who said aliens need to be involved?
    PS: Ahh, this does not prove they exist, but Nothern Lights were a UFO once, and now they are explained, sort of.

    1. Re:Proof that UFOs exist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except, of course, that UFO stands for "Unidentifed Flying Object", so you really didn't need to go to all that trouble to come up with a poorly-fitting meaning for it when it had a perfectly good one already.

  68. My professor teaches that course by oopsdude · · Score: 1

    A professor I had last quarter, Joseph Phillips, at DePaul University in Chicago teaches a course called "The Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence" as a Liberal Studies credit. Tuesdays and Thursdays in the Loop, apparently. Despite being ostensibly a Catholic university, DePaul's actually pretty liberal like that.

  69. What I Have Learned by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I used to read extensively about UFO's. I was determined to "get to the bottom of it" and figure out once and for all whether the phenomenon was hardware or wetware (psychology). I never did come to a conclusion. The debunking was usually disappointingly sloppy; they make almost as many logic flaws as the "believers". My analysis left me with a Big Null.

    But the one thing I did learn by reading many witness accounts and the after-math is that if YOU see a flying saucer or UFO, shut the hell up. Reporting it is a recipe for headaches and ridicule.

    Call MUFON or a similar organization to report it to get it off your chest and into their database. Other than that, it didn't happen. Move on.

    1. Re:What I Have Learned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh my god an idiot and a nerd. you are too much.

  70. Re:Crazy people are the subjects of many studies.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yes, we do need ufologistology!

  71. What declassified UFO documents have shown... by N0Man74 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From the classified UFO documents that UFO conspiracy theorists like to use to justify their paranoia have shown once they have been declassified have been quite disappointing. What we have always ended up finding is that they weren't classified because there was some massive UFO cover-up, but rather that governments were paranoid regarding sharing how data was distributed and communication protocols. The actual data was pretty boring and has done nothing to vindicate conspiracy nuts.

    1. Re:What declassified UFO documents have shown... by N0Man74 · · Score: 1

      Sudden flashes of light that seem to zip away quickly across the sky just aren't convincing to me, when more conventional explanations (such as various atmospheric illusions) are a far more likely explanation.

      Without actual physical evidence or any type of proof that it is clearly even an actual flying object, then I'm going to be inclined to believe that it's far more likely to be some sort of mirage rather than alien visitors whose existence is hidden by vast conspiracies.

      By a similar token, if I were to hear of ghost ships sailing in the sky, I would tend to believe it is likely the result of a Fata Morgana rather than jumping to the conclusion some supernatural occurrence.

    2. Re:What declassified UFO documents have shown... by unity100 · · Score: 1

      search 'mexico ufos' in google and youtube.

  72. Re:No one talks about "Unidentified Running Object by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    I see URO's in Windows Task Manager all the time. Who do I call?

  73. Lets' teach GNU Herd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While we're at it!!

  74. Sure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure these classes should be taught... by qualified space aliens/extraterrestrials/underwater dwellers.

    Just thinking aloud again.

  75. Devil's advocate..... by rts008 · · Score: 1

    It's the study of anything that you want to believe could be out there, without any real proof that they exist.

    Sounds like dead ringer for theology.

    Then again, if I remember right there isn't a legitimate school in the world that teaches cryptozoology, other than maybe in a passing reference in a real class.

    While I personally doubt their legitimacy, a lot of theological schools are accredited.

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  76. I believe in things I can't explain - yet by witherstaff · · Score: 1

    I consider myself an educated person, I'm a member of Mensa so I supposedly have brains. My job requires logic and reasoning, and things making sense is important. I have no mental conditions, wasn't on any drugs, and I'm agnostic. With that said, I have experienced "ghostly" events firsthand, multiple times. Examples: Watching tv + doing homework and a picture flew across the room from it's place on a brick wall as if struck with a backhand, 10+ feet. (no strange air movement, no earthquake, no person standing nearby, no animals, no reason at all I could discover why). I've seen doorhandles wiggle, doors open fully all the way against the opposite wall, then shut by themselves. Other things that are just... weird. If these things had not happened to me personally I wouldn't have believed it. Do I believe in ghosts? I am not sure, but I believe there are unexplained things that defy my understanding at the moment.

    This wasn't a ghosthunters "I got a cold flash, Ooh EM field spiked, it must be a ghost!" sort of event, but real physical events witnessed with others at the time. I wish I could explain it, I wish these sort of events happened more than a handful of times over a decade+ of living in that house. I wish there was repeatability. I wish there was proof. Wishing all of the things needed for any scientific analysis of anything. If for no other reason than I don't like mysteries that I can't figure out.

    So with all that said, I'd welcome a class on UFOs or other phenomena if it involved the full skeptical approach on discovery, data analysis, and testing hypothesis. I don't know how you handle the 'one in a million' sort of events that qualify as a UFO. From a sociology or anthropology perspective that would be interesting too - just learning what leads a person to believe something and more insight into how humans work could be fascinating.

    I considered posting this anonymously but oh well, I've done far worse than accept that I don't know all of the laws of physics. Besides, someday I'd like to figure out a logical reason to what the heck happened. Or at least figure out how to make it repeatable, it'd make the house value skyrocket!

  77. the poor guy by Mike.lifeguard · · Score: 1

    Carl Sagan is spinning in his grave.

    1. Re:the poor guy by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      No he's not - he's dead.

      If he were alive, I wouldn't be surprised if he'd had a special 6ft-deep oblong jaccuzi built next to the "dial a quote" phone.

      [Rings]
      [Sagan] Hello, Carl Sagan rent-a-quote line? .... A university teaching UFOlogy? You're kidding me! ... You're serious. Damn, and these are my good trousers. Oh well.
      ["Splooosh!" sound effect]
      [Sagan] Ok, I'm in the grave [glub] and [glub] now [glub] I'm [glub] spinning.
      [Sagan, dizzily] This was funny the first time.

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  78. Start the studies by reviewing former studies by ChromaticDragon · · Score: 1

    I would encourage anyone and everyone to read the 1968 Condon Report:

    http://files.ncas.org/condon/

    Please don't be distracted by criticisms of the report. It's all too easy to shift into a mode of supporting your side in a perceived debate. As such, many may immediately be biased that this Internet version of the report is hosted by a Skeptics organization.

    If you really want to see criticisms of the report, you can start with Wikipedia:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condon_Committee

    But I strongly encourage all interested parties to read this report. Even if you believe there must be something there, you need to know how to weed out false positives. And the Condon Report should amply describe how prevalent those are.

    From an anthropological point of view, however, it would seem there are tons of things worthy of study here.

  79. They don't want to be seen. That's all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    UFOs don't want to be seen. Especially in the last 20 years or so, they have desired to remain unseen. The ones reported or observed or photographed anyway were luck or an accident or chance. Or bullshit like the Mexican UFO fleets of migrating geese.

    But the real UFOs don't want to be seen. Hell, human science is close to working optical camouflage so something more advanced should be capable of the same thing. FLIR cameras are still seeing very strange things. But they're not visible to the eye. SO whatever they are, they don't want you to see.

    It would be nice if a serious objective study was done to see what is -or is not- actually there. But I don't think it will ever happen.

    Honestly, the answer has to be predetermined to be'there is nothing there' because just about any alternative answer would be the most unsettling news possible. Do you really want to know your planet isn't yours, that something more powerful is doing whatever it pleases and there isn't a thing you can do to stop it? What would your response be? To demand action from politicians who are also as powerless to stop it as you are? The military? Really?

    This sort of plot where a superior force reveals itself and all is happy ever after works in Star Trek scripts maybe but it would ruin your happy ignorant life of pizza and Xbox and sitcoms.

  80. Cipher-bullying by incubbus13 · · Score: 1

    Any conclusion that does not assume there is other life in the universe is hopelessly Creation-ist and/or human-centric.

    Any conclusion that accepts that beings capable of making ~87 light year voyages are going to crash into a freaking planet or come anal probe a red-neck in Kentucky is hopelessly absurd.

    They've mastered FTL, they've mastered force fields or whatever it took to survive impacts with micro-meteors at Light+, they've managed to find one little marble, in an infinite velvet blanket, they're going to crash in the last .001 of the last 1% of the most difficult voyage humanity has ever conceived of? Then they come all this way, doodle some shit in a cornfield in Kansas, ass-probe some dude in Delaware, eviscerate some cows in Vermont, and go home. Wtf? Really? That's stupid.

    That's like driving to your Aunt's house in California, and pulling into the drive way and breaking the flag off her mailbox and going back home.

    Plus, we have nukes. Sure, there's a chance they have a star trek force field and nukes are so low tech they don't matter any more. But it's more likely their ship is made of metal or plastic and being caught in an airburst will rip it apart like any other physical structure we know of. Doesn't really sound like a risk worth taking, even to find out what happens when you sodomize the herdlings with a metal probe.

    Maybe the whole thing is drunk teenagers, from Alpha Centauri? Like a frat hazing. They dodge the ICBM radar, swoop down, seize a redneck and drag him up into their saucer amidst homoerotic/in-group social status building shoulder punching and man-hugging and then fire up the alien beer-bong and do keg (?saucer?) stands and dissect the terran.

    K.

  81. Fermi Paradox by jwhitener · · Score: 1

    Of course I didn't read the article, but I think this would be a great class, if it focused on the writings and speculations of all the well known scientists who have commented on the possibility of alien life.

    For instance, the class could learn about the Fermi Paradox http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox. In a nutshell, why the universe appears so silent given that billions of years should be plenty of time to have had thousands of alien civilizations completely colonize the galaxy, and most likely the universe.

    If I were teaching it, I would also include books by authors such as James Gardner http://www.biocosm.org/about.htm, specifically "The Intelligent Universe". Great read for anyone interested in AI, ET, etc..

    I imagine you could teach about UFO's, as long as it was in the context of historical impact, cultural psychology, astrophysics theories, etc.. I would personally love to take a class that objectively analyzed things like ttp://www.disclosureproject.org/, which has hundreds of former military folks, scientists, radar operators, and pilots who swear that they've seen alien craft.

  82. Well, a class that could teach people... by robbak · · Score: 1

    ...how to identify Venus would be a great help. Some people even need help identifying the moon

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  83. please study this topic before assuming you know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Common UFO misconceptions:
    1. There are no clear photos - There are many pretty clear image here: http://www.ufoevidence.org/photographs/photohome.asp
    2. Lack of evidence, is evidence of absence - where are the clear photos of atoms, quarks, etc?
    2. UFO means Unidentified Flying Object - this is absurd. If you don't believe me, ask the next 5 people if they've ever seen a UFO, and ask them what that means to them. UFO = ET!
    3. There is no physical evidence for UFOs - There are many cases of materials dropped from UFOs, and changes to soil - http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/PhysicalEvidence.htm
    4. No world governments believe in UFOs - Not true. http://www.ecologynews.com/cometa.html

    Please grow up. We are not alone, and have not been alone for thousands of years. Please do the research, then decide.
    You might want to start here.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFsSKCax2CY
    http://www.stantonfriedman.com/

  84. Most schools teach "gender studies", by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "postmodern studies", "post-colonial studies", and so on. These subjects exist nowhere but in media-prepped human minds, just like UFOs do.

    Theology, at least, has over a millennium of smart people trying to understand the concept of God -- even if it consists entirely of fallacies, even those fallacies are worth knowing so that one does not reinvent them again under new names -- "benevolent state", "human-made apocalypse", and suchlike.

    Consider the through that a person cognizant of theology -- and aware of junk theology -- is much less likely to fall for newfangled "religions" like Scientology.

  85. he is not alone, the truth is at unsw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    classes such as this one? [university of nsw]

    I have a friend who was a tutor for the class, sounded pretty cool and a fun way to burn through some gen-ed requirements.

    there are some lecture slides listed here[unsw] if anyone is interested

  86. Special Report 14 by Simon · · Score: 1

    And in particular it is worth reading the section about Project Blue Book Special Report No 14 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Blue_Book#Project_Blue_Book_Special_Report_No._14 ) which contained the most interesting statistics and some conclusions which were in direct conflict with their own data.

    Quoting from wikipedia:

    The main results of the statistical analysis were:

    • About 69% of the cases were judged known or identified (38% were considered conclusively identified while 31% were still "doubtfully" explained); about 9% fell into insufficient information. About 22% were deemed "unknown", down from the earlier 28% value of the Air Force studies.
    • In the known category, 86% of the knowns were aircraft, balloons, or had astronomical explanations. Only 1.5% of all cases were judged to be psychological or "crackpot" cases. A "miscellaneous" category comprised 8% of all cases and included possible hoaxes.
    • The higher the quality of the case, the more likely it was to be classified unknown. 35% of the excellent cases were deemed unknowns, whereas only 18% of the poorest cases. This was the exact opposite result predicted by skeptics, who usually argued unknowns were poorer quality cases involving unreliable witnesses that could be solved if only better information were available.
    • In all six studied sighting characteristics, the unknowns were different from the knowns at a highly statistically significant level: in five of the six measures the odds of knowns differing from unknowns by chance was only 1% or less. When all six characteristics were considered together, the probability of a match between knowns and unknowns was less than 1 in a billion.

    Despite this, the summary section of the Battelle Institute's final report declared it was "highly improbable that any of the reports of unidentified aerial objects... represent observations of technological developments outside the range of present-day knowledge." A number of researchers, including Dr. Bruce Maccabee, who extensively reviewed the data, have noted that the conclusions of the analysts were usually at odds with their own statistical results, displayed in 240 charts, tables, graphs and maps.

  87. The UFO, ORGANICS danger. by howzit · · Score: 1

    When the meanings of words change for most of the population there is a danger because people ASSUME you mean alien craft, not a possible plastic packet, when using'UFO'. As with the 'organic vegetable' craze. ALL vegetables are organic, and any farmer can sell them as such. Whether they are organically GROWN is another matter entirely!

  88. Rational people are not doing enough to stamp out by VShael · · Score: 1

    irrationality.

    We've become far too tolerant of this sort of thing. Deliberate pollution of the info-sphere.

    Aliens did not fly millions of miles to Earth, just so they could probe Cletus the slack-jawed yokels' anal cavity.
    There is no invisible man in the sky who knows when you've been naughty and when you've been nice, and who you can ask for things.
    A larger percentage of the human population than you might think possible, are genuinely mentally disturbed.

  89. I would think that by MRe_nl · · Score: 1

    to believe that after 13.75 ±0.17 billion years of the Universes existence, we are the only culmination of advanced civilization is questionable at best. A million years is enough time to create an civilization more advanced than ours. Another million years to completely erase that very same civilization with absolutely no evidence left. The (current) Universe might not have been hospitable for life for the first 6 billion years. That leaves 7 billion years unaccounted for.
    The universe is rather large There will almost certainly be alien life forms. But WHEN?
    I think that in our own limited time-frame we'll find remnants and/or embryo's, if any proof at all.
     

    --
    "Kill 'em all and let Root sort 'em out"
  90. yea by unity100 · · Score: 1

    and with that word, 'idiot' you have proved that i was wrong, you were right, HOW.

    i cant understand the stupor that states we HAVE to reject stubbornly any kind of possibility of unidentified object observation or label them as shitty atmospheric events or swamp gas or ballons. this is not a fucking religion, there are VISIBLE objects there, moving with their own accord. its not a dogma or a poltergeist or anythign.

    ffs. there is no science in 'stubbornly reject without researching' its morondom.