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Steve Jobs Recommends Android For Fans of Porn
hansamurai writes "After being asked about the App Store's recent ban on 'sexy apps,' Steve Jobs responded, 'We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone. Folks who want porn can buy an Android phone. You know, there's a porn store for Android, you can download nothing but porn. You can download porn, your kids can download porn. That's a place we don't want to go, so we're not going to go there.' Apps such as Playboy's and the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition are still available on the App Store, however, as they come from 'more reputable companies.'"
Or he only watches "reputable porn"?
Sales of Android phones increased 1000%.
Suddenly I really like Android.
I see the glass as full with a FoS of 2.
And iPhone users (including children) don't have access to porn? Last time I checked (guilty as charged!) there are iPhone specific streaming sites for porn. Instead of going to the app store all they have to open up Safari and google for the goodies.
Is it my imagination, or is Steve being more douchey than usual?
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He is really being a dick there. There's a "porn store" for the iPhone as well, called "Mobile Safari". If anything, the prices are lower.
However, if he is going to be an asshole he should have gone just a little further... Something to the effect of "And the inferior multitouch support won't bother you nearly as much if you are always using your phone one-handed..."
Steve, buddy! Thanks for the recommendations, I'm a huge fan of pr0n. Could you also recommend pr0n-friendly restaurants, hotels, bakeries etc?
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As if applications are the only porn vector. Let's get rid of Safari too while we're at it.
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I don't need Apple to act as a morality police for what I do with something I own.
Steve Jobs responded, "We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone. Folks who want porn can buy an Android phone. "
Well, I don't see that porn is particularly harmful to children, especially compared to the violence in media and games sold on the iPhone, so I don't know why one would be a moral imperative and the other would not. I actually think this is marketing, designed to appeal to parents who want their kids kept safe from the evils of... umm... boobies?
But that's okay. If he's recommending an Android phone, I'll probably take him up on it when I purchase a smartphone.
Apple products are for girly men... Or not.
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This is marketing-speak for "We're going to be opening the Apple Porn Store very soon. You think the rigid curves of our multi-touch sensors are cool? You ain't seen nothing. Wait for Steve Jobs to say, 'And one more thing.'"
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Jobs simultaneously drags the android through the mud while claiming a moral high ground for the iphone. what's Google going to do? Trying to defend pornography will be an uphill battle going to a place "where we don't want to go".
nicely played.
I think it's better worded like this:
'After being asked about the App Store's recent ban on "freedom to use your property as you see fit," Steve Jobs responded, "We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep freedom away from the iPhone. Folks who want freedom can buy an Android phone. You know, there's a lot of freedom for Android, you can use it anyway you want to, you paid for the hardware, it's yours. You can download porn, your kids can download porn, it's totally free and up to you to do what you want. That's a place we don't want to go, so we're not going to go there." Apps such as Playboy's and the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition are still available on the App Store, however, as they come from "more reputable companies."'
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You know, there's a porn store for Android, you can download nothing but porn. You can download porn, your kids can download porn.
How does he know?
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Finally, a real choice!
After being asked about the App Store's recent ban on "sexy apps," Steve Jobs responded, "We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn out of the app store to keep the moronic soccer moms off our ass. Folks who want porn can just use safari and browse to it like a normal person. You know, there's plenty of porn available on the iPhone, and plenty of gay porn hookup apps that soccer moms won't even notice. You can download porn via the browser, or any number of "respectable" apps from companies that make us a lot of money like Playboy and Sports Illustrated , your kids can download porn on their iPhones faster than we can attempt to block it, so we just come up with some lame ass story for the soccer mom's and they buy it because they are fucking pathetically stupid. That's a place we don't want to go, blocking safari, because we know kids will find their porn via browser anyway, so we're not going to go there."
"We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone."
Apple's only moral responsibility is to let their users do whatever they feel like, and they have failed.
The "Apple cult" image tossed around as a joke and an insult is becoming more and more true every day. You can't simply buy a device from Apple - you have to buy their device, their software, their platform, and their tastes, desires and morals too, and once you do, you can't separate any of them. This isn't vendor lock-in, it's religion.
Didn't Sony pretty much take the exact same stance with their Betamax format? How did that work out for them?
Apple has a moral responsibility to provide only high quality apps, and sees that it is necessary to forbid anyone from using their iPhone if they do not abide by their rules; This includes banning porn, and politically sensitive matters. China has a moral responsibility to provide only the highest quality websites, and sees that it is necessary to forbid anyone from using their Internet if they do not abide by their rules; This includes banning porn, and politically sensitive matters.
"Sorrow is better than laughter, for by sadness of face the heart is made glad." [Ecclesiastes 7:3]
I end up liking Bill Gates that much more.
Are those android porn stores owned by Google?
Personally I wouldn't care if they did, but somehow I doubt they do.
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I don't know about anyone else, but my primary fear is that my kids would see it and tell one of their friends at school about it. This then gets overheard by a parent with a huge stick up their ass who goes and tells anyone she can find that I'm letting my children watch porn, and before I know it I'm on the sex offender registry and my kids have a new family because this whole country always has a huge kneejerk overreaction whenever sex and children are mentioned in the same paragraph.
In short, it's not that I don't think my kids could handle porn, it's that everyone else couldn't handle the idea that my kids were exposed to porn.
We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone
I wish some people would take some responsibility and stop buying Apple products because they support the immoral values of billionaires. Stooping to popular opinion and Fandom usually, at the most has led to mediocrity, and sometimes lynch mobs. If Steve Jobs thinks that sex is immoral then I hope he doesn't engage in it himself.
Nope. Google's Market does not allow porn. Steve is just being an asshole because you can go download and install Android apps from wherever. And somehow the worst kind of app is porn. Not, I dunno, malicious apps that steal your passwords.
The anti-porn rhetoric from the head of a politically liberal, gay-friendly company is pretty weird, to say the least.
Sony Betamax recommends VHS if you're a fan of porn.
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He's not going to get techies this way.
But he's not going to lose the iPhone-is-neato customers, and he's not going to lose the if Apple made a toilet I'd buy it crowd. Those groups either don't care that they're restricted, don't know they're restricted, or actually want to be restricted.
He's saying this for consumption by the media. It's a nice buzz-bit. "Android is for porn." The media will repeat it because it's pithy and uses a titillating word. And the folks who have no clue about restrictions will repeat this to themselves when they go to buy a phone. Wives will insist that husbands buy iPhones for themselves and for the kids.
This is not Jobs being stupid. This is both genius and an indication that Jobs is very, very afraid. His control-everything system depends on him being the master of really the only very good phone/tablet system. There's another system and pretty soon it'll be good enough to make his look less revolutionary. He needs another way to keep his silo full.
It's a moot point anyway. Because the iPhone _does_ allow porn. Playboy is porn right? Safari can view porn right? So he's basically full of shit claiming some moral high ground. It's a joke and that's what we're laughing at. So I'll get off your lawn, if you come and join the fun.
Apple is simply saying they will not sell apps that contain porn.
Unless the porn comes from a reputable company like Playboy. As a parent, knowing that my child is getting his porn from reputable companies takes a lot off my mind.
So, the argument and merits boil down to this: You may choose between Bowdlerized digital lifestyle from Apple, or a direct pipeline into the next-generation of Total Information Awareness from Google?
Try and get a Google account without submitting a verifiable mobile number. Combine the use of that account with any phone running Google Maps and Search. Now, multiply that potential by an order of magnitude, when you operate a phone stack that is completely designed and built by Google. Correlate your location and your content and your identity?
I can look at REAL tits, thanks.
"Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell
It's also helpful to tell people why you won't buy one when you have the opportunity.
You: "Ya know mom, I wouldn't get the iPhone. They prevent you from doing things you want to do with your hardware."
Mom: "Like what?"
Remember, You are unique...just like everyone else.
Which is yet another argument for Android -- you can install apps any way you want, including from any app store you want. There's nothing stopping Apple from opening their own android app store.
But it does show how moronic these measures are. I mean, you don't see Apple so much as installing a content filter on their mobile Safari, do you?
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He is really being a dick there. There's a "porn store" for the iPhone as well, called "Mobile Safari". If anything, the prices are lower.
He's got balls though, if he think he can be a bigger dick than those in the porn business
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Hooray! I can bitch and moan then. Censorship is one of the many reasons I don't go to wal-mart. They won't sell Cosmo but they will sell you a gun. They censor their music. They break unions. They treat their employees like crap.
Thanks for the invitation to complain. I didn't know you could do that on the internet.
Buy our iPhone! Unless you're one of those porn-addicted Android users. I certainly welcome competition, and our competitors are doing a great job of fulfilling that niche market of phones for porn addicts. So if you're proud of being addicted to porn, show everyone just how much you mean it by purchasing my competitor's fine Android product and taking it with you everywhere. Android: There's no better way to tell the world "I'd rather be watching porn!"
Jobs didn't say "Apple won't sell porn" he said "We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone". He's mad.
Watch this Heartland Institute video
Video games and porn. Steve has undermined half of the reason the internet exists. Not a good move there buddy.
Either way you're going to give up a ton of personal info.
To get an iPhone you'll need an account with the mobile provider, meaning you'll need to give up your contact info as well as a lot of financial and credit information. This would be enough information to track you down and glean tons info about you.
Plus the iPhone uses a lot of google services and even if they switch away due to Android, Yahoo or whatever replacement is chosen will collect and track you in the same fashion.
What are you trying to hide anyway? ;)
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Parents are not ALLOWED to parent their children in America. That's the State's job. (Somewhere, Mussolini is laughing.)
Two anecdotal incidents:
1. My son is wont to run off without looking or thinking if he does not get what he wants (Mom tends to give in to irrational desires, me: far less so). I stopped him from trying to run into highway traffic while he was having one of his fits because he did not want shoes. Later, his mother called police because there was a small abrasion on his stomach. (I held him around the abdomen.) I was arrested, jailed for felony assault of a minor, and eventually pled guilty to disorderly conduct -- not because I was fearful of facing the charge -- but because it was necessary that the case be closed so I could continue to parent my kids: the State had to give me a trial within 90 days of pressing charges, but they could sit on those charges for five years, keeping the case open. Besides, disorderly conduct in WA essentially is anything that might make someone assault you -- perhaps someone might think I was trying to kidnap him.
2. My daughter wanted to meet a much older person she was chatting with online. I though it a perfect chance to teach how to meet strangers, that might become friends, even as I was wary. I set ground rules: I come along, we meet in a very public restaurant for lunch, we go our separate ways, we do not disclose where we live, we make sure we are not followed after. I was wary about this person's intentions but figured a blanket veto would just encourage a secret meeting which could be far more dangerous. I drilled her on "stranger safety" before the meeting and debriefed her after. This was deemed by a mental health professional as a "poor choice" and that the veto would be better.
3. A friend of my daughters recounted how some female classmates wanted her to be "in" on their plan. They were upset at how much homework a male teach was assigning and were to accuse, en masse, that he sexually abused them, figuring their numbers would bolster the believability of the allegation.
The bottom line is that effective parenting can get one jailed these days. And, I know many parents who outright fear their kids.
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It's a valid fear. I know someone who asked her father about sex she was about 6 or 7. Her father, not being ashamed of the biological process, gave her a frank and straightforward explanation. Being a child, she then told some of her classmates about it and next thing you know: the parents were getting a visit from CPS.
It's sad when choosing an installation directory on your own qualifies you as an "advanced user."
"The porn guys are pikers: They pay to screw their employees. My customers pay me to screw them."
Yours in manifest serenity, S. Jobs
The point being that more iPhone stories means more ads being served.
There fixed that for you!
Why bother
Just when you thought the apple marketing machine couldn't get any more sanctimonious, Jobs goes and says something like this.
If libertarians are so opposed to effective government, why don't they all move to Somalia?
Actually... it's more like saying that the person who built your house (that YOU own) says that he doesn't want OJ Simpson in the house that YOU own. And actively stops you from having him as a guest.
Your analogy is ludicrous. How would you explain away not having Flash functionality?
Apple sells the same kind of freedom as Microsoft.
Is the extreme hypocrisy of allowing SI swimsuit and Playboy apps but saying "We don't allow porn."
Look, it is my well educated opinion that Playboy, soft-core BS, swimsuit calendars/photoshoots, and basically the societal desire to objectify women through "moral" sexualizations causes MORE harm than XXX hard core pornography does. Why? Because it's insidious and sends terrible messages to people and messes with their psyches. It's OK to objectify and look at women sexually as long AS LONG AS THERE'S NO SEX INVOLVED?! But, wait, isn't that the point? Oh, no, it's better to get guys hot and bothered with teases and pics of scantily clad women everywhere and then tell them "SEX IS BAD!!!" than it is to show them videos of ACTUAL SEX and saying, "Meh, it's just sex." REALLY?? This is the moral stance??? It's OK to have Janet Jackson sing about sexual topics, dress sluttily and grind her body against a man in a mock sexual ritual but "HOLY MOTHER OF GOD!!! 0.5 SECONDS OF TIT JUST FLASHED ACROSS MY TV SCREEN!!!" That messes with people's heads and gives them warped ideas about sexuality and women.
So Steve Jobs can keep his "moral" porn and I'll hang on to the stuff that doesn't pander to me and send me mixed messages about what's right and wrong, what's ok and what's dirty, and enjoy the wisdom of knowing IT'S ALL ABOUT SEX without pretending "sex but not sex" is somehow better than just sex without all the BS.
>> Playboy's and the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition are still available on the App Store, however, as they come from 'more reputable companies
Ahh so kids seeing "reputable" porn is OK then ehh Steve? ... Obviously this actually has nothing to do with porn and all to do with licencing revenue.
I have to disagree. I'm far from a Microsoft fan, but they've never prevented me from running software on their products because they disagreed with the content or subject matter.
They don't care what you're doing, as long as you're doing it on their platforms. (Although I've never owned a Zune or even seen one in person).
Apple, on the other hand, wants to completely control what you think and do when using their products.
It's comical but Apple's trying to make sure 2010 and beyond will be like 1984.
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The anti-porn rhetoric from the head of a politically liberal, gay-friendly company is pretty weird, to say the least.
What has "gay-friendly" got to do with it?
-- A good compromise leaves everyone mad. --Calvin and Hobbes
I don't believe any sane person believes that maximizing shareholder profits at the expense of consumer freedom and choice is a moral thing. And no, Wall Street is not sane.
Apple has a financial responsibility to it's shareholders, not a moral one. If the law allowed companies to put babies on spikes and make an obscene amount of profit from doing so, any company would do it. The amount of profit companies make these days is obscene. Naked people doing acts based on natural bodily functions to give each other pleasure is not obscene.
"All great wisdom is contained in .signature files"
Speaking as somebody who isn't interested in living within Apple's Walled Garden or cashing in my privacy with Google, neither phrasing reads like anything but propaganda.
You guys really should listen to yourselves. "Be free! Do as I say!"
I'm pretty sure that my wife would have something to say about Playboy being considered 'reputable'.
I do not like to be told what I can buy and what not. And I do not shop as Walmart as I do not shop as Aldi or any other discounter which treats their personnel badly. But there is a big difference between Walmart and Apple. Walmart is a store, and I can go to any other store I want when the products from Walmart are not satisfactory. But when I have an iPhone, I can only go to Apple to buy apps. And with iTunes I can only shop at iTunes-Music-Store. This is like Ford having a discounter and you can only drive to the Ford-discounter with your new vehicle, but not to Walmart or any street market.
No you don't. You have a fiduciary responsibility to your shareholders to sell as many iPhones as possible. You are not in the morality business.
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So get yourself a fucking Nokia already.
You do know that Apple and Google aren't the only game in town.
In the phone market they aren't even the biggest.
Watch this Heartland Institute video
I think it is safe to say, without even a hint of hyperbole, that Steve Jobs is a fascist. As soon as censorship becomes a "moral responsibility", something has gone deeply wrong. Supporting Apple is supporting the death of the creativity and freedom that the company likes to pretend it nurtures. Think too different, and your work will be dragged out in the middle of the night and shot.
Apple actually acknowledged that Android exists! I thought that was a big no-no
I recommend avoiding the cream filled donuts.
But Apple does not provide them.
Not true. They provide "reputable" porn. Which, combined with Jobs justification, is like claiming you're a vegan and still eating seafood.
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Anti-porn is one of the few things that ultra-liberals ("objectifies women") and ultra-conservatives ("makes Jesus cry") can agree on.
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"Just about anything, there is an app for that" is really a lie.
Haven't you heard? Only gay people watch pornography!
Apple has always done things there own way. They don't have to sit there and try to respond to "the market" wether they think the market wants porn or not. They are leaders and innovators and create their own markets. They probably realize that porn is as pernicious and vicious as cocaine in ruining peoples lives. For you that like to sit there and jerk off to your computer all day you will realize this one day. Apple is not perfect. In fact I'm pretty pissed off that I had to reinstall OS X twice in the last 6 months because my system completely seized up - but I appreciate them taking a moral stand. They are in business to make money like everyone else, but they seem to want to help elevate society, not facilitate it's decline into the gutter. Porn is destructive and has no value to humanity whatsoever. I invite anyone to seriously research the matter.
This is absurd. The only thing they are controlling is the apps on their store
Oh, so I'm free to get my iphone porn apps form other stores then?
That the internet was built on porn.
Apple has not learned their lesson from the years when they were irrelevant.
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No Pr0n:Betamax, Laserdisc, Afghanistan, iPad,
Pr0n: VHS, DVD, Las Vegas, Google Android
Thank's for the tip Mr. Jobs!
So you claim he's not mad, just a liar. You claim he doesn't believe he has a "moral responsibility" to keep porn off the iPhone.
And if you think there's no porn in Ferraris...
Watch this Heartland Institute video
Slashdot is seriously out of touch with reality regarding Apple. The company just posted yesterday their highest non-holiday profit quarter ever (90% year-over-year increase in profit). iPhone sales were up 130% year-over-year. AAPL stock is soaring right now This is all due to Apple's complete control over the iPhone. So does the lack of hardcore adult content hurt the iPhone sales? No, it does not. Steve Jobs is absolutely right.
But Steve also physically forbids you from buying apps in other stores. This situation is only comparable to being able to walk to the porn store next door if in that scenario Steve has a hired thug standing outside it preventing you from shopping there.
Steve Job, today's "moral apostle" on the iPhone, is the same hypocritical fuck who fathered a girl and denied it, yet proclaims his moral superiority to the rest of us because of porn? Steve Jobs doesn't give a flying fuck about porn. It's just more pandering to the Disney crowd. There's nothing wrong with that, but it would be nice if he had the balls to admit it.
Can you zoom in real life with only 2 fingers?
Well, if I "pinch" the boobs, they do move further away...
Bow-ties are cool.
The Android Market porn is actually pretty well hidden. Try the "Tic Tac Toe" app and click on one of the "X"'s three times.
But really, Steve Jobs knows his market, and it is not computer geeks. Geeks know how to find porn, and save money by buying the best hardware they can for the price. Plus the non-geek market, is much, much bigger.
Families are all too happy to throw money at problems if it saves them time trying to comparison shop. I know because I've started doing it myself, unfortunately :-/ But at least not when it comes to technology ... yet.
Erm, excuse me??? Isn't the *ONLY* way to download an app onto a (non-jailbroken) iPhone via the App Store??? Or am I missing something?
Yes. You are missing something. Web apps. I'll give you two excellent examples. Google Voice (m.google.com/voice) and Bejeweled (http://www.popcap.com/games/iphone/bejeweled). So, if you want to develop an app for the iPhone, you do not need to go through Apple - you can publish as a web app.