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Will Steve Ballmer Speak At WWDC Keynote?
truthsearch writes "An analyst reports that not only will CEO Steve Jobs return to Apple's Worldwide Developer Conference stage — he missed last year for medical reasons — but he will be joined there by Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer. Global Equities Research analyst Trip Chowdrey said that Microsoft has been given seven minutes during Jobs' keynote to talk about Visual Studio 2010. Chowdrey said that a new version of the development tools software will support native applications for the iPhone, iPad, and Mac OS." Update: 05/27 19:17 GMT by T : As reader theappwhisperer points out, Microsoft has responded to this rumor via the company's Twitter feed with an unequivocal No.
Is it April already?
In all seriousness, I might welcome Visual Studio for the Mac.
Seems like they're trying to dodge the DoJ by adding "competition."
Regardless this is pretty nice, it means I can developed for my iPad/Phone/Pod on my core i7 desktop rather then my 4 year old iMac.
hope he doesnt pull one of these!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc
It won't be MSVC. It'll be the new Office for Mac introduction.
I feel certain that most Apple developers would rather stick needles in their eyes than use Visual Studio. For one thing, it's more visually appealing.
No folly is more costly than the folly of intolerant idealism. - Winston Churchill
I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to do some type of strategic alliance to scare Google a little bit. Now that both Apple and MS see Google as a threat to their interests, it's a very interesting turn of events, for sure.
MS is just following the money like they've always done.
Based on Jobs' comments about Flash, he probably feels Ballmer is a pioneer and great friend of freedom and openness, and should be welcomed with open arms.
Maybe they will make all the Apple stuff adopt silverlight too! JOY!
It's not too late to bolt down all the chairs yet.
My first thought was: Apple & Microsoft start to team up to combat Google.
Think Russia & U.S. vs. Germany in WWII.
Considering Apple's become more like Big Brother in recent times, why shouldn't they be buddies?
I'm guessing an eight round electrified cage match with Jobs and Ballmer in Mexican wrestling masks and refereed by Chuck Norris
It will be inconclusive for seven rounds until Jobs seriously injures Ballmer with a flying clothesline after Ballmer cheats with a folding chair strike to Jobs' liver. Ballmer will tag in Bill Gates, but Jobs will tag in Phil Schiller. Schiller will then proceed to completely own Gates and win the match with a shining wizard followed by a dragon whip and atomic crotch punch.
The result will be Apple's market cap continuing to stomp on Microsoft's, and the kickoff of Phil's worldwide "Schillermania" tour.
suspect anything its that Ballmer will be releasing his ususual song and dance, accompanied by a free copy of Microsoft Office Chair for one or two lucky attendants. dont worry, it is definitely "Mac compatible."
Good people go to bed earlier.
Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers!
"Now that Apple's market cap has surpassed us and we're tanking in just about every market we're in, maybe we will try to ride their wave!"
Instead of this, why doesn't Apple just release XCode for Windows? Seems to me that would make far more sense than getting in bed with MS.
There is no way Apple will let you develop for the iPhone OS using MS' developer toolchain. No way whatsoever. I'll bet Trip Chowdrey $500 right now this doesn't happen.
microsoft is heading back to its proverbial roots? It started out by selling ms basic to just about everyone, after all.
will we see them scale back windows (including mobile), focusing on xbox, exchange and development tools?
comment first, facts later. http://chem.tufts.edu/AnswersInScience/RelativityofWrong.htm
And I had been using Microsoft tools for 15 years before looking at them. Sure, it's jarring at first, but you get used to it. Apple's APIs on the other hand, completely blow Microsoft Win32 out of the water. It's not even close.
I can see it now... Steve Jobs walks on stage after Ballmer finishes and says: That's great Ballmer, but unfortunately we're not going to be able to accept any apps created in Visual Studio, but thanks anyways.
Sadly, I'm not sure this comment warranted a troll rating..
One of the most surprising aspects coming out of this rumor (which is complete and utter BS BTW, I wish I could get a job where I could just spout crazy BS all day, as opposed to just doing it for fun on slashdot :) is learning that people actually *like* Visual Studio? Who knew? I mean XCode has its problems, but I can't wait to get home after a day of working with VS and open up XCode and have some fun do iPhone coding.
Intellisense, Intellisense, Intellisense!
...about Apple changing it's developer TOS to say that only apps that were originally written in Objective-C or C/C++ then linked directly to the iPhone SDK APIs are allowed on the store, does anyone really believe that they'd now let VS compiled apps on the iPhone? I find it hard to believe that Microsoft would have created a complete IDE for the iPhone SDK to match the TOS as it is now. More likely they'd port the .NET runtime to the iPhone and then their IDE would develop .NET apps like it does now. This is the same as Adobe tried to do with Flash and we see how well that worked out.
Yeah sure, Steve Ballmer will very likely speak about VisualStudio 2010 on June the 7th. But this will be at Microsoft Tech-Ed, developper and IT professionnal conference.
How a miss-informed analyst can shake the web by spitting improbable rumours.
(I won't talk about the fact that VS10 is deeply oriented towards the introduction of .NET 4.0 and corresponding C# evolutions, that VS has currently no ObjC parser — and will never include GCC even if it is Apple reference compiler — and that VS GUI editors are built for WinForms and WPF/SilverLight, not Cocoa, so this just ends leveraging their syntax highlighting text editor)
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If Steve Ballmer is giving it, wouldn't that make it the WWDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDC keynote?
It is only a matter of time before these 2 companies get together and give each other 'patent agreements'. after all they have a joint love of evil and control
Today most major tech companies (in the mobile sector mainly) are working with Linux, particularly hardware manufacturers
HP, Dell, acer , LG, Intel, google, Motorola, NEC, Panasonic, and Samsung, Vodafone, Nokia, HTC (the list goes on for quite a while) are all working on some form of Linux system or device, even Sony is (although they obviously hate Linux - and everything)
As time progresses how are Apple and Microsoft going to compete - even it they join forces...
Consumers are slowly waking up to the fact that if you buy an Apple product you are not in control of it, Apple is., judging by the increase in sales in Android it looks like the start of the end for apple (i hope)
As for Microsoft, they seem to becoming increasingly irrelevant (I haven't used any product of theirs - except a friends Xbox - since 2002, so for me they are already irrelevant and thank god for that..)
"This becomes even worse if the third party is supplying a cross platform development tool."
now explain me how this fits with "VS10 for iPad/iPhone dev".
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All of my apps are coded in C# and there are thousands of others that I know of. It cannot be a big leap for visual studio to add support as well. The real question is how is apple going to handle the not requiring a mac to compile or publish.
Got Code?
Will he be chairing the conference?
Because they can. Thats one of the benefits of being a software company. They could even start kicking out closed-source Linux programs if they wanted.
Apple's success or failure rides on the brand itself. In each of their markets (aside from ITMS) they are the terminating link in the chain. Its a great place to be when you carry The Big Brand, but its also precarious. Plenty of Big Brands have come and gone while the markets they once dominated have persisted.
"His name was James Damore."
From ClosedSource, yeah I think it' a troll. Apple has always made political contributions to both parties, mostly democrats. The implication is Apple has changed who they contribute to or how much since the DoJ announced they were making an investigation, but since nothing has been provided to support that claim, he's probably just trolling for responses without anything behind his statements.
I thought he was just going to dance around and shout "developers!" over and over again... let's just make sure all the chairs are bolted to the floor first!
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
I'd pay for a WWDC ticket just to see Balmer do the monkey dance on the stage.
<head explodes>
But, seriously, I'm still running Tiger so this would give me an opportunity to try developing for the iPhone / iPad. I've been sweating the upgrade to Snow Leopard because this is my primary machine, my hard drive's almost full and I would need to purchase upgrades for several apps. I've thought about purchasing a new HD then using CarbonCopyCloner or similar software to image it and copy it over. It all seems like a lot of work though...
... have yet to be nailed down.
Like the furniture.
Have gnu, will travel.
Look for the upcoming merger/acquisition.
Wow, the last time When bill gates was there to invest a chunk of change in apple development it was partly motivated by MS trying to avoid the Antitrust abyss by making sure MS was not a monopoly (at least on the commercial side).
Now it's a role reversal. MS is at this point in time a Fscked company (Win7 blow on touch devices, WinCE is on life support on phones, xbox360 has lost it's pricepoint sweet spot and is now squeezed by nintendo and Playstation, the big payday product, Office, is seriously threatened by cloud savvy products better for mobile communications, the latest office is not better than the old one so why buy it, and Win7 hasn't exactly got anyone excited.) Basically MS cannot execute. It would probably actually be good for them to downsize and re-grow.
Now the apple lesson has two parts to it. 1) It does not matter how great your company once was, your company can die faster than you think 2) A once great but sick company can comeback if it can find it's mojo again.
The sick part here is that development and office environments that microsoft created for the original mac was what lead to it losing market share. I personally suspect that Windows did not succeed as an OS until Office succeed and made Windows the preferred platform for running this killer app. Here we go again!
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
Makes sense since Microsoft is adding VBA support to Office 2011. They left it out of Office 2008.
Read what I mean, not what I wrote.
Grand Central Dispatch is a high level C based technique for distributing computation of heterogenous cores such as GPUs and CPUs. It is open source, but having vendor support from MS might be the key to wide adoption and standardization.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Central_Dispatch
Do i need to say more ?
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So you need a quadcore 8-threaded 2.66GHz CPU to dev applications targetting a single threaded 600MHz device with a 480x320 screen ?
This tells a lot about your integrated development environment.
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It was possible to write Openstep (now known as Cocoa) applications on Windows before it was possible on Mac.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStep#OPENSTEP_Enterprise
Ehrm, it's at 4ghz you insensitive clod!
And no, I don't NEED it, but I prefer it!
Does anyone else think of Homer Simpson wearing the WWJD bracelet when he sees the initials "WWDC"?
"Steve Ballmer not speaking at Apple Dev Conf. Nor appearing on Dancing with the Stars. Nor riding in the Belmont. Just FYI."
http://twitter.com/microsoft
Sorry about the mess.
... when I see a banner over Moscone West that says "WWDDDDDDDDDDC"
Dear Slashdot: next time you want to mess with the site, add a rich-text editor for comments.
Will it support Google Go? ;)
Of course, if Apple allowed writing apps for the iPhone in Go, I might even going through the appstore kafkian bureaucracy. ;P
"When in doubt, use brute force." Ken Thompson
http://twitter.com/Microsoft/status/14850981422
To put things into perspective, this rumor was started by the same guy who predicted two years ago that Apple would bring the iPhone to Costco to sell for $149 and then, last October, predicted that Apple would launch a “SmartBook” device for $899 with an OLED screen and a Cortex-A9 processor.
This ain't rocket surgery.
See the following explanation for WHY two stage initialization: http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1339553
http://www.amazon.com/Cocoa-Design-Patterns-Erik-Buck/dp/0321535022/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1260805943&sr=1-1
I still can remember how happy he was when he learned his first word: DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS! ;)
Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from stupidity.
Sorry for "only" 2.66 but that the lowest speed for the i7 and I didn't know which one you had.
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Actually, I wasn't implying anything about Apple. I was just making the point that before the DOJ actions against them, MS wasn't making any political contributions while their competitors were. Naturally the complaints from their competitors got more attention because they had already "buttered the bread".
Ticketmaster had a more credible monopoly than MS ever did, but somehow the DOJ never showed any interest in pursing them.
You're correct technically, it is an i7 920, however it's running at 4ghz not 2.66 :-P
Actually, I wasn't implying anything about Apple.
You wrote, "They've learned their lesson and are now paying..." Was the "They" not Apple in your sentence? You were replying to a comment about Apple and MS had not been mentioned.
I was just making the point that before the DOJ actions against them, MS wasn't making any political contributions while their competitors were.
And your theory is that they were "targeted" because of this?
Ticketmaster had a more credible monopoly than MS ever did...
Ticketmaster may have monopoly influence, but they haven't been leveraging that into other markets. Simply having a monopoly is not illegal.
"You were replying to a comment about Apple and MS had not been mentioned."
I guess that's a matter of interpretation. My interpretation was that the entity the post claimed was dodging the DOJ was MS and I guess you assumed it was Apple.
"And your theory is that they were "targeted" because of this?"
Yes.
"Ticketmaster may have monopoly influence, but they haven't been leveraging that into other markets. Simply having a monopoly is not illegal."
Ticketmaster made the same sort of lock-out deals with venues that MS made with OEMs. In fact getting a rival OS on a PC was merely inconvenient, but getting a top act in a major venue in the US without Ticketmaster involvement was impossible.
"Ticketmaster may have monopoly influence, but they haven't been leveraging that into other markets. Simply having a monopoly is not illegal."
Ticketmaster made the same sort of lock-out deals with venues that MS made with OEMs.
You seem to be under the mistaken impression that MS was in court for "lock-out deals" instead of illegally tying IE and Windows. In order for Ticketmaster to be in the same situation they would have not only had to have a lock-in on venues as they do, but bundle a "free" beverage coupon for their new line of beer which they require all venues they do business with to carry at the bar.
I guess I can't give your pet theories about influence brokering much credit because you don't seem to understand antitrust law well enough to even know what's going on. You should really read a bit on the topic, heck just read the wikipedia page.
"You seem to be under the mistaken impression that MS was in court for "lock-out deals" instead of illegally tying IE and Windows."
I suggest you actually read the courts "Findings of Fact" on the case if you think that MS's behavior toward OEMs were not a factor.