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SpaceX Successfully Launches Falcon 9 Rocket

leetrout writes "SpaceX has successfully launched a two-stage rocket, the Falcon 9, into Earth orbit from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station. 'Liftoff came after hours of delay, sparked initially by launchpad telemetry problems, then by a sailboat that strayed into a restricted area of the launch range. The day's first countdown was aborted at virtually the last second, due to a problem with the engine parameters, but the launch software was adjusted and a second countdown went all the way to the end.'" Update: 06/04 20:16 GMT by S : Reader mrcaseyj points out Spaceflight Now's coverage, which includes a number of pictures from the launch.

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  1. Cool by caywen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Good news for Obama and his vision for private industry servicing the ISS. Hopefully they won't delay their first ISS mission until 2011.

    1. Re:Cool by hardburn · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't want to hear anymore about Obama and his socialist plan to move space launching into the hands of private enterprise.

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    2. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Whoosh!

      That wasn't a rocket...

    3. Re:Cool by Jeng · · Score: 4, Funny

      [ ] you know what "sarcasm" means
      [x] you don't

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    4. Re:Cool by jollyreaper · · Score: 1, Funny

      I don't want to hear anymore about Obama and his socialist plan to move space launching into the hands of private enterprise.

      I heard he wants to build a moonbase! You know who else wanted a moonbase? HITLER! They called it National Socialism for a reason! That's why Hitler and Stalin were so so gay for each other. That whole WWII thing, just an act to make us think they weren't in cahoots.

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    5. Re:Cool by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Funny

      [ ] You got the joke.
      [x] Whoosh!

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    6. Re:Cool by mweather · · Score: 1

      Hopefully they put a manned capsule on these things so there will actually be people in the ISS to service.

    7. Re:Cool by Jawnn · · Score: 1

      I don't want to hear anymore about Obama and his socialist plan to move space launching into the hands of private enterprise.

      OK. Fine. How about this one, then?
      "BP announces plans to move into commercial space flight..."

    8. Re:Cool by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      That's why Hitler and Stalin were so so gay for each other.

      I thought it was their mutual love of mustaches.

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    9. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. Failure to reach orbit still could have been an engineering success (see: all the rockets NASA blew up on the way to the moon). But politically, all space exploration may have been stalled for years. I'm amazed that such a hugely complicated engineering feat worked as expected (after they blew up a few falcon 1's that is).

    10. Re:Cool by CompressedAir · · Score: 1, Informative

      They have several demonstration flights this year, but the first "official" CRS cargo carrying flight will be in 2011 if all goes well. That's been the plan for a while, and I should know, because part of my job is to stuff it with stuff.

      (I say "official" because there is talk about carrying a few brave payloads on the demonstration flights, but that isn't part of the contract.)

    11. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an idiot on so many levels, only your alt's could possibly mod you up.

      Go back to fark w/ your trollisms...

    12. Re:Cool by eln · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's why Hitler and Stalin were so so gay for each other.

      I thought it was their mutual love of mustaches.

      Indeed. In fact, the real reason Hitler invaded the Soviet Union in 1941 was because he could no longer contain his jealousy over Stalin's thick luxurious mustache which was so much nicer than his own. If only Rogaine had been available millions of lives could have been saved.

    13. Re:Cool by nofx_3 · · Score: 3, Informative

      They have a capsule tech called Dragon that can hold 7 crew. They actually had a dummy Dragon capsule at the top of the Falcon 9 launched today. I think the life support stuff is still a ways off, but they should be capable of launching crewed missions a few years into the future.

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    14. Re:Cool by clarkkent09 · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's only because he knows that private enterprise will be more efficient in eventually allowing humans to travel to his real birthplace!

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    15. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [x] you checked the box
      [] you didn't

    16. Re:Cool by hardburn · · Score: 1

      You say that because you don't understand how much brain power it takes to think this illogically.

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    17. Re:Cool by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Maybe once they clean up their first mess.

    18. Re:Cool by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They called it National Socialism for a reason!

      Probably for similar reasons why North Korea calls itself the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea".

    19. Re:Cool by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 1

      Since you're in the *know* ... I have a couple of questions...
      1. I'm presuming the flight to the ISS will carry "real" cargo (such as food). Am I in the wrong?
      2. How do you think the Russians are going to take this news? Considering they've got such a lucrative deal going supplying the ISS with cargo?

      With this all said, I'm glad the launch was a success. Hopefully NASA can start focusing on the Ares 5 heavy lift (or you know... just take an Atlas 5 off the shelf!) for going into HEO and beyond.

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    20. Re:Cool by St.Creed · · Score: 4, Funny

      They called it National Socialism for a reason!

      Probably for similar reasons why North Korea calls itself the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea".

      I knew it! Damn democrats!

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    21. Re:Cool by Martin+Blank · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There have been suggestions that it could be as little as two years off, except that the emergency systems (particularly the ejection mechanism) might not make that mark. As can be seen by the recent delays for the Falcon 9 largely because the flight termination system was awaiting certification, seemingly minor things can lengthen things dramatically.

      I think two years is incredibly optimistic, but I would love for SpaceX to prove me wrong.

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    22. Re:Cool by caseih · · Score: 1

      I doubt the Russians are bothered. They don't have any exclusive contracts for resupply other than their obligations and commitments anyway. Both the ESA ATV and Japanese HTV both have flown successful cargo missions to the space station, and are expected to become essential to the resupply of the station over the next few years. I can't remember about the ATV, but the HTV certainly carries a lot more cargo than the Progress freighters and can be attached to the larger ports on the American side of the station, allowing standard racks of equipment to be delivered. Progress and the ATV both us the smaller docking hatches and are more restricted in the kinds of cargo they can carry.

    23. Re:Cool by CompressedAir · · Score: 2, Interesting

      1. Correct.
      2. Just fine. :+D

      The CRS flights are just one more piece to the puzzle. In the post Shuttle world, we'll have Soyuz, Progress, ATV, HTV, Orbital, and SpaceX. The SpaceX vehicle gives us back a large downmass capability which is going away when the Shuttle retires. Upmass we got, downmass not so much.

    24. Re:Cool by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

      Several demonstration flights this year? Despite what the SpaceX site says, there was a news story last week wherein SpaceX had told NASA that there would be at least an eight-month gap between the first two COTS demo flights. The first, according to the story, is still apparently planned for sometime in July, but an eight-month gap suggests that the C2 flight won't be until at least March 2011. Another story yesterday mentions that if things went well today, they would be looking to skip one of the COTS demo flights, specifically one that would have the Dragon approach no closer than 10km from the station, and instead have the grapple mission be the second flight, and that was mentioned as being in the second quarter of 2011.

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    25. Re:Cool by the_other_chewey · · Score: 3, Funny

      they should be capable of launching crewed missions a few years into the future.

      Woah, time travel too? I had no idea!
      Can they get them back to the present?

    26. Re:Cool by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      Eventually...

    27. Re:Cool by berashith · · Score: 1

      argh, and republicans too... i knew they were in it together.

    28. Re:Cool by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      I think two years is incredibly optimistic, but I would love for SpaceX to prove me wrong.

      Indeed. Personally I'm betting they'll miss 2013, but match or beat 2015 which is the incredibly optimistic time scale for Ares-based manned missions to ISS.

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    29. Re:Cool by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Funny

      But. But.If it's a dummy capsule then why can't we ...

      Oh nevermind, we'd never get enough politicians in the thing to make it worthwhile.

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    30. Re:Cool by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Correct. NASA is redundant as a launch-services company. It should turn its attention to regulation and oversight of flight safety and space access, rather than production and operation of vehicles. It's the possessor of a massive amount of intellectual property, and it should manage that for the nation's maximum profit, but otherwise it should look at getting out of the science business as well.

    31. Re:Cool by Rhinobird · · Score: 1

      The space station was constipated?

      Constipation station?

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    32. Re:Cool by nofx_3 · · Score: 1

      Downmass = ability to bring mass through re-entry?

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    33. Re:Cool by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Funny

      But. But.If it's a dummy capsule then why can't we ...

      Hehe


      Oh nevermind, we'd never get enough politicians in the thing to make it worthwhile.

      You might call 7 politicians launched into space not worthwhile, but I call it a start. ;)

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    34. Re:Cool by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 1

      If SpaceX ever runs low on cash (I know Elon already is), I'd be happy to shell out for a Dragon test ride (waivers and checkbook ready). No point in playing things safe, everyone dies eventually.

    35. Re:Cool by anOminousCow · · Score: 1

      You might call 7 politicians launched into space not worthwhile, but I call it a start. ;)
      As long as they stayed up there, and didn't come back down again.

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    36. Re:Cool by anOminousCow · · Score: 1

      SpaceX can take the weekend to party, but they've got work ahead of them for future flights. Aside from working on the Dragon capsule, the first stage crew can resolve the problems involved with recovering the stage, and the second stage crew can work on controlling the roll.

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    37. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why? With a properly designed system, they'll mostly burn up on re-entry, and the rest ends up somewhere in the pacific ;)

    38. Re:Cool by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

      Burning up on reentry is always a possibility. Oh never mind, they're too dense.

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    39. Re:Cool by dogmatixpsych · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It is good news. This also points out some of the inconsistencies in politics. Apparently it's okay to privatize space flight but not health care and social security etc...

    40. Re:Cool by Crazy+Taco · · Score: 1

      actually there is no room for discussion on a news website. if you want discussion, go to a blog or a forum.

      Which, ironically, puts them just a few years behind the Chinese in progress, and China has a population of a billion people. Go free enterprise!

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    41. Re:Cool by afidel · · Score: 1

      Do you have the couple hundred thousand it would cost?

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    42. Re:Cool by afidel · · Score: 1

      It has a heck of a launch and assembly facility though =)

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    43. Re:Cool by afidel · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      The natural economic forces in health care work against the common interest with privatization, but most of the role of social security could be privatized while moving social security back to being a social safety net and not a national retirement account.

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    44. Re:Cool by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

      That was kind of my point. They have a lot of work to do, and their real schedule is not the one that is on the site in that it's fallen behind their estimates. I would think that one responsible for payloads would know that.

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    45. Re:Cool by Vectormatic · · Score: 1

      It must help that they generally are just full hot of air...

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    46. Re:Cool by osu-neko · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is good news. This also points out some of the inconsistencies in politics. Apparently it's okay to privatize space flight but not health care and social security etc...

      Yes. Reminds me of those inconsistent builds who use hammers on nails but not on screws. Some silly people seem to think you shouldn't use the same tool to solve every problem.

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    47. Re:Cool by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 1

      I do, and I can't take it with me. Besides, it wouldn't cost a couple hundred thousand because SpaceX is going to need to fly demo flights regardless before Dragon is man-rated. I'd be happy to buy a seat in a non-man-rated space vehicle if it's built by SpaceX.

    48. Re:Cool by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the government should either own everything or nothing. Nothing but communism or anarchy makes sense.

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    49. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, because health care and space flight are exactly the same thing and should be treated exactly the same.

      "Dammit, Smithers, this isn't rocket science, it's brain surgery!"

    50. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More like $8 to $10 million. The space ship 2 flights are around $200k though.

    51. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is this socialistic? Isn't this more capitalistic?

  2. Cool. by Stargoat · · Score: 0

    Cool. I don't care for the idea running around in Washington right now that this might justify the elimination of the NASA manned rocket program. But that hardly makes this not cool.

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    1. Re:Cool. by mbkennel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not the elimination of the NASA manned rocket program. It's about the descoping of the poorly conceived and poorly executed NASA manned rocket design and manufacturing program; whose significant purpose was employment in Alabama congressional districts. A private contractor will not decide on the mission goals or the payload. One can have robust manned space program without designing the rockets.

      In 1965 NASA had to design and build its own microcomputers. NASA does not do so any more; astronauts use standard laptop computers on the ISS.

    2. Re:Cool. by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Informative

      Huh?
      No one wants to killed manned NASA flights, just the boondoggle that is their latest vehicle project. It only serves to keep shuttle makers in business.

    3. Re:Cool. by TheKidWho · · Score: 1

      Amusingly enough, the pictures at supersonic speed look like a condom around the Rocket, looks like its preparing to rape NASA the safe way.

    4. Re:Cool. by timeOday · · Score: 4, Informative
      Put another way, when was Ares' first orbit?

      The article says SpaceX got $278 million from NASA to develop the rocket. Apparently we spent $1.500 billion on Ares in FY10 alone, and spent $445 million on a single sub-orbital test flight for Ares in '09.

    5. Re:Cool. by camperdave · · Score: 1

      I believe it's also the Senator from Alabama that hold's NASA's purse strings, so no money for space flight unless Alabama gets a big chunk.

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    6. Re:Cool. by astar · · Score: 1, Interesting

      It seems to me that Obama and the OMB want to kill manned exploratory spaceflight. And even more than that. Consider that everyone but USA is going to the moon and soon. But so far not manned. Of course, last I looked Bolton had to check with OMB to go to the john. I am sure OMB just cannot justify it from a bean counter perspective, but they really really want a mars colony. On the other hand, there is widespread suspicion that Obama and OMB are breaking the law with their cutbacks. All this is really consistent with your perspective.

    7. Re:Cool. by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      A bit like this

    8. Re:Cool. by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      It should also be noted that the entire amount of money spent on SpaceX so far, from the company's inception until today (counting private investment as well as the money from NASA), comes to about half the cost of a single shuttle launch.

      We are not against spending money on NASA or on manned space flight. We're against spending money wastefully. Don't throw money at a program just for the sake of throwing money at a program. Ares was a bad idea and needed to be axed. Being truly committed to the future of manned spaceflight pretty much entails being for the axing of stupid programs and spending wisely on stuff that actual works without bankrupting the program.

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  3. Most important launch in decades by mrcaseyj · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What makes this one of the most important rocket launches in history is that, unlike at other rocket companies, the founder, Elon Musk, is determined to make a reusable rocket. The first stage of this rocket has been fitted with parachutes and covered with cork to protect it from the heat of reentry so that it can be recovered and studied in hopes of making them reusable in the future. The success of this launch solidifies the success of Spacex, and thereby dramaitcally increases the chances of huge benefits to humanity from much more affordable space launch. Also, the other rocket companies are probably very worried about losing all their business to Spacex now.

    1. Re:Most important launch in decades by Monkey_Genius · · Score: 5, Informative

      Only the engine cluster is designed to be 'reusable' -it separates from the first stage fuel tank after booster separation. The cork material is thermal insulation for the cryogenic LOX used in the first stage.

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    2. Re:Most important launch in decades by flitty · · Score: 1

      What? You do know that ATK's Rockets that are used for shuttle launches are called "Reusable Solid Rocket Motors", right?

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    3. Re:Most important launch in decades by mrcaseyj · · Score: 4, Informative

      The cork is for protection during reentry. From the Spacex updates page:

      It is important to emphasize that the cork is not needed for ascent and there is no risk to flight even if it all came off. This is for thermal protection on reentry to allow for the possibility of recovery and reuse. While stage recovery is not a primary mission objective on this inaugural launch, it is part of our long-term plans, and we will attempt to recover the first stage on this initial Falcon 9 flight.

    4. Re:Most important launch in decades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do we want a reusable rocket? Didn't we learn from the Space Shuttle that reusable spacecraft cost just as much to launch as rebuilding a new craft every time?

    5. Re:Most important launch in decades by mrcaseyj · · Score: 4, Informative

      Also on the Spacex updates page you can see the parachutes mounted in the interstage, implying that the entire first stage will be parachuted down. I would think the engine cluster would sink without the fuel tanks for buoyancy.

    6. Re:Most important launch in decades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What also makes this different is that the founder, Elon Musk, is crazy: http://www.autoblog.com/2010/05/30/teslas-elon-musk-says-hes-broke/2 (I'm sure this success will help him out though). I guess you'd have to be to spend your $1.5B on not one but THREE hugely ambitious high tech startups (SpaceX, Tesla motors, and his solar company). I wish more billionaires would take risks like this. But I guess, like his car company's namesake, you have to have some insanity in you to really push things forward.

    7. Re:Most important launch in decades by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Informative

      Since 1957, you Space Nutters have had FIVE decades to show us these "benefits". Besides stoking the imagination of dreamers and deluded petulant children like GameboyRMH, there's precious little it has accomplished. Does it make clothes? Food? Materials?

      Look at that thing that's attached to your keyboard and mouse. The computer. The impetus for it's development was space. ICBMs can't fly in the atmosphere - they go into space. The little computers in your car that do everything from running the engine to your mp3 player? An offshoot. The ceramics that make the light turbines possible? Ditto. Better methods to monitor patients? Better ways to test materials? Better ways to model materials?

      The space race did three things

      1. it gave us a different "war" instead of fighting each other on the ground - a race in space.
      2. it gave us a different way to look at ourselves and our planet. That picture from the moon's surface makes it different. We're all in it together.
      3. it forced us to miniaturize, harden, and perfect computers and electronics for harsh environments. Your home computer gets the benefits. Transistors are now much cheaper than even staples.

      And this is all in addition to the benefit of now being able to say: Nuke it from orbit - it's the only way to be sure!

    8. Re:Most important launch in decades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ATK's Rockets that are used for shuttle launches are called "Reusable Solid Rocket Motors"

      Kind of an oxymoron there considering they are lost into the ocean and gone forever - reusable?

      Another oxymoron that comes to mind: "Compassionate Conservative"
      yeah .. right!

    9. Re:Most important launch in decades by fredmosby · · Score: 2, Informative

      But most of the cost of solid rocket motors is the fuel, so making them reusable doesn't save much on launch costs. This would be a reusable liquid fueled rocket, where most of the cost is the rocket motors.

    10. Re:Most important launch in decades by bjaustin · · Score: 1

      The success of this launch solidifies the success of Spacex, and thereby dramaitcally increases the chances of huge benefits to humanity from much more affordable space launch. Also, the other rocket companies are probably very worried about losing all their business to Spacex now.

      The successful launch - on the first attempt, no less - is a great achievement but these statements are rather premature. Musk said himself that he'll consider SpaceX a failure if it doesn't achieve a fully reusable rocket, which is essential to their operation. There's a lot to do there - especially with recovering the second stage.

      Also, other companies like United Launch Alliance are probably worried since any competitor to the field is going to only make things more difficult to them but the U.S. has been losing launch market share for years to the Russians and Ariane. But I wouldn't expect to see payload customers beating down SpaceX's door Monday morning. One in a row is not a track record that is equivalent to the Atlas V or Delta IV launch vehicle families and most will not be willing to risk an expensive satellite or two until further reliability is demonstrated, even with a factor of 2 reduction in dollars/pound to orbit that SpaceX is aiming for.

    11. Re:Most important launch in decades by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      Only the engine cluster is designed to be 'reusable' -it separates from the first stage fuel tank after booster separation.

      Considering that the engines are probably 90% of the cost of the first stage, that makes sense; empty fuel tanks are cheap compared to rocket engines.

    12. Re:Most important launch in decades by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      Didn't we learn from the Space Shuttle that reusable spacecraft cost just as much to launch as rebuilding a new craft every time?

      Considering that a shuttle orbiter alone costs over $2,000,000,000 while a single shuttle launch costs around $150,000,000, the answer would have to be no. Most of the cost of the shuttle program is fixed costs like maintaining KSC which have to be paid regardless of whether the shuttle flies and don't change much with increased flight rates up to a dozen or so per year.

    13. Re:Most important launch in decades by 0123456 · · Score: 2, Informative

      But most of the cost of solid rocket motors is the fuel, so making them reusable doesn't save much on launch costs.

      From what I remember, NASA would probably save money if they stopped recovering the SRBs and just built new ones each time. They're basically just big metal tubes which require a lot of refurbishing before they're ready to fly again, so there's a substantial cost to reusing them.

    14. Re:Most important launch in decades by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 1

      Simply not true. Follow the link - it includes a great picture of the jettisoned SRB floating in the ocean just prior to recovery.

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    15. Re:Most important launch in decades by 680x0 · · Score: 4, Informative

      ATK's Rockets that are used for shuttle launches are called "Reusable Solid Rocket Motors"

      Kind of an oxymoron there considering they are lost into the ocean and gone forever - reusable?

      See this page for pictures of NASA ships doing the impossible: towing recovered solid rocket boosters back to Kennedy Space Center.

    16. Re:Most important launch in decades by hardburn · · Score: 1

      A reusable system could be cheaper, if you could launch it once a week instead of 1-2 times a year. The shuttle ended up having too many maintenance problems to make that kind of schedule possible, but that doesn't mean it can't be done.

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    17. Re:Most important launch in decades by lgw · · Score: 1

      Which all points to the folly of making "reusable" the goal. We don't want reusable, we want cheap. The SRBs cost more to re-use than to build from scratch, sadly enough. As long as SpaceX is free from government procurement rules and congressional earmarks, however, I'm sure they'll do well on "cheap".

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    18. Re:Most important launch in decades by blair1q · · Score: 1

      I'd be very leery of reusing these things (yes I know the shuttle boosters were reused). Making them sturdy enough to survive multiple uses has got to cost you mass that could go into fuel and payload. Recycling them is a great idea, though.

    19. Re:Most important launch in decades by blair1q · · Score: 1

      wait. nemmind. these are liquid-fueled, not solid.

      yes, liquid-fueled rocket engines are a mass of pumps and tubes that require enormous expense to forge, and come in only one type: honking tough.

      they're all but impossible to break, so yes, there would be a lot of reusable parts on them that would survive many launches, descents, recoveries, and refurbs.

    20. Re:Most important launch in decades by blair1q · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure that the impetus for the development of the computer was codebreaking early in WW2, before anyone had the idea of using a computer to control one, because, after all, in WW2 computers were the size of basketball courts.

      The development of microcircuits that make little computers several orders of magnitude more powerful than the original basketball-court sized computers was what the space-age promoted, although the invention of the microcircuit was a rather natural progression from the invention and development of the transistor, which was driven entirely by telecommunications, not rocketry.

    21. Re:Most important launch in decades by khallow · · Score: 0, Redundant

      You want to explore? Explore the workings of a cell. I think you'll find it immensely more challenging than Space Nuttery, and much more rewarding.

      Because we have only 6.8 billion people, we can only do one thing at a time. Today it's the "workings of a cell". Tomorrow, toilet paper recycling.

    22. Re:Most important launch in decades by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure that if -that- were also true, NASA would have long ago cut costs by building them again each time.

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    23. Re:Most important launch in decades by lgw · · Score: 1

      No, that's not how it works at all. Senators tell NASA what to build and where to build it, otherwise money might get spent in the wrong state! NASA has serious problems, but unlike a lot of places NASAs problems are externally imposed.

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    24. Re:Most important launch in decades by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      Actually, the BIG breakthrough in computer design was by Lynn Conway. This is all the more remarkable considering the issues she had to overcome in her personal life.

    25. Re:Most important launch in decades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The cork material is thermal insulation for the cryogenic LOX used in the first stage.

      The bagels don't need refrigeration though.

    26. Re:Most important launch in decades by Rhinobird · · Score: 1

      People have run the numbers and have come to the conclusion that even a disposable system that can be launched once a week would be cheaper than what we have now.

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    27. Re:Most important launch in decades by khallow · · Score: 1

      Only the engine cluster is designed to be 'reusable' -it separates from the first stage fuel tank after booster separation.

      For now. They're planning to make the entire first stage reusable by putting a heat shield in the front of the stage and have the stage reenter nose first. I understand there are plans for making the second stage reusable too, though I don't know how viable they currently are.

    28. Re:Most important launch in decades by Rei · · Score: 1

      But most of the cost of solid rocket motors is the fuel,

      The standard rule of rocketry is if your fuel costs are a significant percent of your total costs, you're doing something *right*. It's generally not even close.

    29. Re:Most important launch in decades by sjames · · Score: 1

      You're seriously underestimating the role of communications and weather satellites for one thing. They don't launch those just for fun, it's because they're the best way to accomplish the goal. Many "space age" materials and technologies are directly derived from spaceflight R&D.

      I wouldn't claim that ONLY space research has benefitted us, but we have seen a decent return on that investment.

    30. Re:Most important launch in decades by sjames · · Score: 1

      We learned a LOT about what is and what is not practical for reuse. Reusing the SRBs is a win. The shuttle itself costs too much because the tiles and carbon panels have proven to be much too fragile and difficult to handle. They WOULD have been a win, but too many have to be replaced after each flight and there's the disaster caused by broken carbon panels.

      Given a chance to do it again, we'd probably go with an expendable heat shield on a reusable vehicle (sorta like what SpaceX is doing here).

    31. Re:Most important launch in decades by afidel · · Score: 1

      Actually the first general purpose computer was designed for calculating ballistic tables and was actually first used to speed calculations for the Manhattan project.

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  4. Very exciting by PeterBrett · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm making a note here -- huge success!

    Hopefully this will reinvigorate the US market for launch vehicles. The satellite-manufacturing spin-off company of the research centre where I work currently launches most if not all of its payloads on decommissioned Russian ICBMs. I hope that in a couple of years, SpaceX's stable of launchers will be a practical and economical alternative!

    1. Re:Very exciting by Speare · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm making a note here -- huge success!

      ... Even though you broke my heart, And killed me. And tore me to pieces. And threw every piece into a fire. As they burned it hurt because I was so happy for you!

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    2. Re:Very exciting by DeadJesusRodeo · · Score: 1

      ... Now, these points of data make a beautiful line. And we're out of beta. We're releasing on time! So I'm glad I got burned- Think of all the things we learned- for the people who are still alive.

    3. Re:Very exciting by anOminousCow · · Score: 1

      currently launches most if not all of its payloads on decommissioned Russian ICBMs
      And the Atlas V uses engines made in Russia. And even the Falcon 9 follows the Russian design philosophy, use LOX-Kerosine propellant in all stages, use multiple smaller engines instead of few hard to produce humongous engines, use the same engine as much as possible, make it strong, and reliable.

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    4. Re:Very exciting by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      Gods bless Russian practicality.

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  5. Does the last Atlantis pilot read /. ? by nullchar · · Score: 3, Funny

    The Associated Press quoted the pilot of the shuttle Atlantis' last scheduled flight, Dominic Antonelli, as saying he was impressed by the Falcon 9 and would gladly climb aboard if and when the time comes.

    "Yes, absolutely. But I'm not that picky. I think I'd probably climb on just about anything," he said last month.

    I figure we slashdotters would climb on just about anything too...

    1. Re:Does the last Atlantis pilot read /. ? by idontgno · · Score: 1

      Why am I not shocked and surprised to see that Dominic Antonelli, Lieutenant Commander, USN, is a Naval Aviator?

      Sailors will be sailors...

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    2. Re:Does the last Atlantis pilot read /. ? by blair1q · · Score: 0, Redundant

      One word: Tailhook.

    3. Re:Does the last Atlantis pilot read /. ? by jbridge21 · · Score: 1

      You kid, but I remember reading an interview with a high level manager in the JSC astronaut office, wherein he said only half joking that the astronauts under his purview were more than willing to strap into a Shuttle with only one functioning SRB, etc, and a big part of his job was basically to convince them of reasonable safety standards for their OWN lives!

  6. It was almost flawless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was almost flawless, despite the earlier countdown abort. The countdown abort worked like a nice PR stunt (intentional or not, that is not relevant now), because it has shown, that the whole system cab be quickly primed for another countdown.

    1. Re:It was almost flawless by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      Well, they had explicitly demonstrated that ability earlier when they did the launch pad test-firing. Being able to do that in the first place is a big advantage of liquid fueled rockets over solid fuel. But yeah, it's definitely cool being able to see that a real last-second abort works just like it did in the tests. Major kudos to the operations team (who I believe, like the previous test, are SpaceX employees which marks a break from traditional launches), and of course to the engineers and machinists and everyone else.

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  7. Very Cool by stoolpigeon · · Score: 1

    I tried to watch it from here in Orlando, but too many clouds were in the way. Went back inside and watched the feed - very impressive.

    As a kid I dreamed that I might one day visit the moon, or maybe even mars. That's not going to happen, but hopefully somebody will get it all worked out in time for my grand-kids maybe.

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  8. Video? by molo · · Score: 1

    Does anyone have a link to launch video? Thanks.

    -molo

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    1. Re:Video? by Afforess · · Score: 3, Informative

      The video for the launch is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP5gykvTBpM

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    2. Re:Video? by molo · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the link. I was hoping for one without the "buffering.. ", but it was good enough to get the idea. Thanks.

      -molo

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    3. Re:Video? by insufflate10mg · · Score: 0

      If you watch the above-linked video, at approximately 0:11 you will see a giant monster about to eat the Falcon 9. (This is no lie, check for yourself.)

    4. Re:Video? by Narishma · · Score: 1

      SpaceX will probably release a high quality video in the next few days like they always do. Look out for it here.

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    5. Re:Video? by Macrat · · Score: 1

      You must be on DSL.

  9. Giant wasp from outer space? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I laughed at the feeble attempts of the giant alien wasp to stop the launch at T -5 or so. Was that you, K'breel, or one of your minions?

  10. Impressive recovery by hcdejong · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Earlier today they had a launch abort at T -0:00:00. I happened to watch the webcast on the SpaceX site; the countdown got to zero and my impression was that ignition was underway when the launch was aborted.

    Had they used solid rockets, they'd have been SOL at this late stage.

    Also, finding the cause and then being able to launch inside 1.5 hours is rather quick. ISTR early Shuttle launches where the slightest setback resulted in putting the clock back to T -12h.

    And was the countdown off, or was the webcast not properly synchronized? I saw liftoff taking place at T -0:00:02.

    1. Re:Impressive recovery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Loss of SpaceX craft: a few million $$
      Loss of Space Shuttle: a billion+ $$

      Space Shuttle is also a little larger and a little more complex. I'm using "little" in the loosest possible way. Comparing SpaceX to Shuttle is like comparing F-150 with Peterbuilt (there you go, a truck analogy :)

    2. Re:Impressive recovery by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      Space Shuttle is also a little larger and a little more complex. I'm using "little" in the loosest possible way. Comparing SpaceX to Shuttle is like comparing F-150 with Peterbuilt (there you go, a truck analogy :)

      All the more reason to not screw around with shuttle launches for routine maintenance trips.

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    3. Re:Impressive recovery by Nyeerrmm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To be fair, comparing reboot on the shuttle to this is a little unfair, since STS launched for the first time with people on board. Nonetheless, quite impressive.

      As far as the liftoff occurring early -- I see it too. The stream was laggy, so that could be it, but it also seemed like the engines were running rather hot (second stage engine cutoff was early but it nailed its target orbit), so it could be that the sensors detected that it was dangerous to continue to hold it down and let go early.

    4. Re:Impressive recovery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depends how long the ignition sequence is. It might take 2 seconds to get to full throttle for liftoff.

      The Saturn V, with it's huge F-1 engines, started its ignition sequence at T -0:00:07

    5. Re:Impressive recovery by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Launching the first time with folks on board shows poor project management. It means you put PR ahead of good engineering and costs. If you have to blow up a couple rockets to cut costs and improve reliability that is the way to go.

    6. Re:Impressive recovery by bored · · Score: 1

      Or it could mean that you have designed a system that requires a human in the loop to be reusable. Which is pretty lame too..

    7. Re:Impressive recovery by scharkalvin · · Score: 1

      "And was the countdown off, or was the webcast not properly synchronized? I saw liftoff taking place at T -0:00:02."

      Engine start takes place at T-0. For the first few seconds clamps hold the rocket down to the pad until the engines rev up to full power for liftoff.

    8. Re:Impressive recovery by PeterBrett · · Score: 1

      I saw liftoff taking place at T -0:00:02.

      Yes, I was puzzled by that too. The rocket had clearly left the ground before the on-screen countdown timer reached zero.

    9. Re:Impressive recovery by jbridge21 · · Score: 1

      No, engine start takes place at around T-2.5 or T-3.5. If the engines have all built up to the proper thrust levels, and everything else checks out, THEN the computer releases the hold-down clamps at T-0.

    10. Re:Impressive recovery by strack · · Score: 1

      the vacuum engines chamber walls are designed to glow red. it was not running hotter than intended.

    11. Re:Impressive recovery by Nyeerrmm · · Score: 1

      Running hot refers to the engine putting out more thrust than expected, not a literal higher engine temperature. My reasoning for this is based on the fact that it achieved orbit earlier than the expected cut-off time, not that the nozzle was glowing.

    12. Re:Impressive recovery by Nyeerrmm · · Score: 3, Interesting

      STS was designed with a lot of astronaut input, and it was designed so you had to have people on board -- landing gear could not be controlled automatically. Astronauts want nothing more than to keep flying, and to feel like they're pilots and not cargo. Having a spacecraft be designed by the military test-pilot variety of astronaut is often just asking for trouble.

      Amusingly, John Young, the commander for STS-1 has recently said that it was foolish to be on that flight.

    13. Re:Impressive recovery by twosat · · Score: 1

      The Shuttles are nearly always operated by computer control, only the final few minutes are flown manually. I read recently that one re-entry and landing was done totally manually by a specially-trained shuttle pilot, but even he required guidance from the flight computers to tell him what to do. The astronauts were worried that a rogue computer command would lower the landing gear during re-entry so this requires an astronaut to manually flip a switch in the cockpit. After the destruction of Columbia it was decided to enable a damaged shuttle to attempt a fully automatic landing without a crew. The shuttles and/or the International Space Station now carry a special cable that can be connected to bypass the switch and to allow the landing gear to be lowered under remote control. The Columbia could easily have been destroyed by excessive acoustic energy at its first launch and its elevon flaps were forced back, potentially crippling the shuttle's hydraulic system. One of the astronauts commented that had they known this, they would have ejected as soon as it was safe to do so. Columbia's first launch was very close to being its last!

    14. Re:Impressive recovery by AaronLawrence · · Score: 2, Insightful

      BUt obviously, out of the thousands of things that could go wrong it was silly to claim the landing gear as the only thing that needed manual control.
      They just wanted to fly spacecraft...

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  11. Video of the launch by RCourtney · · Score: 1

    CNN has a nice video of the launch which shows everything up to the 2nd stage ignition. Apparently the Dragon capsule was put into orbit, which was the ultimate milestone of the launch. Congratz, SpaceX!

    1. Re:Video of the launch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Space-X [buffering.....] page also ha[buffering....]d a nice web feed of the lau[buffering....]ch. :)

      It was actually somewhat better after the first abort - I think a bunch of people left after that and didn't clog up the tubes for the second attempt.

  12. Utterly useless cheering by NervousWreck · · Score: 2, Informative

    WHOOHOO YEAH!!!!

    (maybe the NASA cuts won't eviscerate spaceflight after all)

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    1. Re:Utterly useless cheering by Narishma · · Score: 3, Informative

      What cuts? I thought Obama increased NASA's budget? Did I miss something?

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    2. Re:Utterly useless cheering by MattskEE · · Score: 1

      You didn't miss anything, GP did.
      http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=10367109

      I'm not sure though if the Obama administration's proposed budget has made it through Congress yet

  13. Shoes for Industry! by Baldrson · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Necessity and Incentives Opening the Space Frontier

    Testimony before the House Subcommittee on Space

    by James Bowery, Chairman

    Coalition for Science and Commerce

    July 31, 1991

    Mr. Chairman and Distinguished Members of the Subcommittee:

    I am James Bowery, Chairman of the Coalition for Science and Commerce. We greatly appreciate the opportunity to address the subcommittee on the critical and historic topic of commercial incentives to open the space frontier.

    The Coalition for Science and Commerce is a grassroots network of citizen activists supporting greater public funding for diversified scientific research and greater private funding for proprietary technology and services. We believe these are mutually reinforcing policies which have been violated to the detriment of civilization. We believe in the constitutional provision of patents of invention and that the principles of free enterprise pertain to intellectual property. We therefore see technology development as a private sector responsibility. We also recognize that scientific knowledge is our common heritage and is therefore a proper function of government. We oppose government programs that remove procurement authority from scientists, supposedly in service of them. Rather we support the inclusion, on a per-grant basis, of all funding needed to purchase the use of needed goods and services, thereby creating a scientist-driven market for commercial high technology and services. We also oppose government subsidy of technology development. Rather we support legislation and policies that motivate the intelligent investment of private risk capital in the creation of commercially viable intellectual property.

    In 1990, after a 3 year effort with Congressman Ron Packard (CA) and a bipartisan team of Congressional leaders, we succeeded in passing the Launch Services Purchase Act of 1990, a law which requires NASA to procure launch services in a commercially reasonable manner from the private sector. The lobbying effort for this legislation came totally from taxpaying citizens acting in their home districts without a direct financial stake -- the kind of political intended by our country's founders, but now rarely seen in America.

    We ask citizens who work with us for the most valuable thing they can contribute: The voluntary and targeted investment of time, energy and resources in specific issues and positions which they support as taxpaying citizens of the United States. There is no collective action, no slush-fund and no bureaucracy within the Coalition: Only citizens encouraging each other to make the necessary sacrifices to participate in the political process, which is their birthright and duty as Americans. We are working to give interested taxpayers a voice that can be heard above the din of lobbyists who seek ever increasing government funding for their clients.

    Introduction

    Americans need a frontier, not a program.

    Incentives open frontiers, not plans.

    If this Subcommittee hears no other message through the barrage of studies, projections and policy recommendations, it must hear this message. A reformed space policy focused on opening the space frontier through commercial incentives will make all the difference to our future as a world, a nation and as individuals.

    Americans Need a Frontier

    When Neil Armstrong stepped foot on the moon, we won the "space race" against the Soviets and entered two decades of diminished expectations.

    The Apollo program elicited something deep within Americans. Something almost primal. Apollo was President Kennedy's "New Frontier." But when Americans found it was terminated as nothing more than a Cold War contest, we felt betrayed in ways we are still unable to articulate -- betrayed right down to our pioneering souls. The result is that Americans will never again truly believe i

    1. Re:Shoes for Industry! by Elektroschock · · Score: 1

      Shoes? Remind me of the Gates video.

    2. Re:Shoes for Industry! by IrquiM · · Score: 0, Redundant

      TLDR!

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    3. Re:Shoes for Industry! by Baldrson · · Score: 1

      Although it's true that Title VII is the primary source of hate in the US and Obama supports it, its kind of hard get really worked up and call him a "racist crazy" when he promotes a policy that will get middle class southern whites off the technosocialist welfare dole and create honest work for them in the private sector. He's hardly the only one promoting hate via Title VII and he'd be sticking his neck out pretty far to come out against it. Just look at what they did to Rand Paul! With this space transportation policy he's doing yeoman's work for race relations.

    4. Re:Shoes for Industry! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other words, yes, you would like racial discrimination to be allowed in companies receiving government grants and contracts. Because you're racist and proud of it. And racists like you are mad because they aren't allowed to discriminate and be on the dole, but somehow I doubt were this to no longer be the case, your hate would go away. Your hate is ultimately for entire classes of human beings for nothing other than their ancestry. Title VII prevents you from acting upon that hate, and so some of your hate is deflected away from the true source and onto the government.

      Meaning the law is serving it's purpose.

  14. Excellent! by ZonkerWilliam · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well done Elon, Here's hoping you can stay afloat a little longer to get us back into space!

    1. Re:Excellent! by Fished · · Score: 1

      In an interview, he said that SpaceX is profitable. Didn't sound like there was too much worry about them going under.

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    2. Re:Excellent! by ZonkerWilliam · · Score: 1

      I was talking about him http://www.fastcompany.com/1656055/falcon-9-spacex-rockets-commercial-space-musk-launch-nasa-obama being broke, not the company. Still SpaceX doesn't have to much to sell just yet, they are still pretty much in the start-up phase.

  15. Space Slut by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FTA: "Yes, absolutely. But I'm not that picky. I think I'd probably climb on just about anything," he said last month.

    I "dated" a gal like that back in college. Sometimes having low standards pays off.

  16. Hrmmm by ModernGeek · · Score: 1

    So does it just orbit for a while and coming crashing back down to earth in a few months / years?

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    1. Re:Hrmmm by georgewilliamherbert · · Score: 1

      Yes; about 2 years in orbit is the estimate.

      This test capsule had no functional heatshield (apparently), so it will burn up high in the atmosphere when it comes down.

    2. Re:Hrmmm by Nyeerrmm · · Score: 1

      Yes, although crashing back down just means it'll burn up in the atmosphere. No risk to anyone on the ground.

      Estimates for orbit lifetime are about 1 year from what I've seen. What brings them down is that there is still a tiny bit of atmosphere in low orbits, and this provides enough drag to slow things down slowly but surely.

  17. Yo by zogger · · Score: 1

    Well, that is pretty cool, that universal virus destroyer. I mean really, it is. But you could have put all that up as an article instead of dumping on a space thread. Both have their place.

    If you did and it was rejected, no probs. Wait a week, re-write it, try it again.

  18. Odd-looking roll by david.given · · Score: 3, Insightful

    During the second stage burn, the vehicle appeared to start to rotate, gradually accelerating as the burn continued. Does anyone know if this was part of the planned ascent profile, or something gone wrong?

    It's hard to tell due to the angle of the rocketcam camera, but it didn't appear to be rolling around the vehicle's axis --- which makes it more of a tumble. OTOH, that might have been an optical illusion. I gather that the Dragon demonstrator that was being launched didn't have any propulsion, so this could have been planned to spin-stabilise it, but... it did look odd.

    I don't want to put any dampeners on the launch, though. For a first launch of a prototype rocket, it's still a fantastic achievement to get to orbit first time.

    1. Re:Odd-looking roll by St.Creed · · Score: 1

      I thought it looked funny too. Commentator didn't say anything about it except that it was going really well, so I assume it was planned. I was thinking the same as you - spin-stabilizing it. Still, I'd like to know more.

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    2. Re:Odd-looking roll by Nyeerrmm · · Score: 2, Informative

      Considering how well they hit their orbit, and that they hit it early (engine appeared to cut-off before the official time), it had to be an on-axis roll. Otherwise they would have been wasting their thrust and would have taken longer to achieve the desired orbit.

      I'd guess that it was something expected but not necessarily on purpose.

    3. Re:Odd-looking roll by goodmanj · · Score: 4, Informative

      From Elon Musk's press telecon, as transcribed by flatoday.net:

      "We achieved a "near bulls-eye" on the orbit. There was a little more roll than was expected. It didn't affect the mission. It is something to be investigated and refined. We're very happy with the second stage performance."

      This isn't a spin-stabilized spacecraft, so I'd call what I saw more than just a "little roll"... still, damned impressive that the launcher can make an orbital bullseye while having that much uncontrolled spin.

    4. Re:Odd-looking roll by tigerquoll · · Score: 1

      Spiraling UFO seen over Australia shortly after launch - http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/06/05/2919095.htm

    5. Re:Odd-looking roll by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I don't want to put any dampeners on the launch, though

      That's good, they usually don't launch in rain. The word you are looking for is damper and it refers to a butterfly valve or similar in a chimney flue. You have watched entirely too much Star Trek, where everything is soggy because they use so many dampening fields.

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  19. The other billionaires are the crazy ones. by mosb1000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually, the crazy ones are the ones who hold on to their wealth. Money is for spending, it has no other worthwhile purpose.

    1. Re:The other billionaires are the crazy ones. by hardburn · · Score: 1

      Billionaires don't hold on to their wealth, though. It's always invested into something--that's how they became billionaires in the first place. If you kidnapped a billionaire and demanded half his fortune for ransom, he'd have difficulty getting it to you because most of it isn't in assets he could immediately liquidate.

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    2. Re:The other billionaires are the crazy ones. by mosb1000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But if you invest your money only to keep it, you haven't spent it. Most billionaires have their money in these kind of investments (real estate, stocks, bonds, things like that). Using the money to start a technology company, on the other hand, is spending it. I approve. I think everyone should spend all their money this way (you know, to the extant it's possible I mean, obviously you have to buy food and other essential things).

      Anyway, just to elaborate on my earlier point: Most people don't make these kind of risky investments because they are afraid to lose their money. They have failed to realize that money has no intrinsic value and is only good for spending. It's crazy to get caught up worrying about money, and yet most people seem to think the opposite (especially in the US).

    3. Re:The other billionaires are the crazy ones. by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Using the money to start a technology company, on the other hand, is spending it.

      Well, no, you have it backwards.

      Investing is the act of purchasing capital (equipment) and labor to produce something of value. It adds to productivity and production, and thus grows the economy.

      That stuff about buying "real estate, stocks, bonds, things like that" is colloquially known as investment, but since it does not actually increase productive capacity it is not investment, it is simply speculation. Of course, anyone doing any real investment wants you to think you're investing when you buy his stock from him, because that makes you over-value it and pay him a premium. That "goodwill value" does not create anything of value and is not a concrete addition to the economy, it's an inflation of value and a form of gambling that increases the risk in the markets. its only sufferable value is that it induces people to take bigger risks when investing in capital and labor, which adds to the economy, albeit in the form of crappy product ideas and business models of questionable merit. But its risks are enormous, especially when it goes unregulated, leads to speculative bubbles, and inevitable crashes as the ignorami making the new speculations discover all at once that the real value of their equity is far less than what they paid.

      So, to get back to your example, "real estate, stocks, bonds, things like that" is speculation. "Using the money to start a technology company" is investment.

      There. All better. Now go play.

    4. Re:The other billionaires are the crazy ones. by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

      I'd agree that such money is not actually invested, however that's what most people talk about when they are talking about investment (certainly it's what the parent was talking about). Real investment involves risk, most people can't stomach that, even if they really can afford the risk.

    5. Re:The other billionaires are the crazy ones. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that is so not true. With great wealth comes great power, whether or not you actually spend your wealth. By simply being wealthy people pay attention to you.

    6. Re:The other billionaires are the crazy ones. by BiggerIsBetter · · Score: 1

      Actually, the crazy ones are the ones who hold on to their wealth. Money is for spending, it has no other worthwhile purpose.

      Some would like their kids and grandkids to be able to spend some of it too.

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    7. Re:The other billionaires are the crazy ones. by mosb1000 · · Score: 2

      There's nothing more depressing than a child spending money he didn't earn.

    8. Re:The other billionaires are the crazy ones. by quanticle · · Score: 1

      Anyway, just to elaborate on my earlier point: Most people don't make these kind of risky investments because they are afraid to lose their money. They have failed to realize that money has no intrinsic value and is only good for spending.

      Its not just that. Its that people don't intuitively realize what John Maynard Keynes famously said, "In the long run, we are all dead." People try to maximize the long term growth of their wealth without realizing that its worthwhile to try, fail and learn.

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  20. Obviously by SnarfQuest · · Score: 3, Funny

    This just proves how far CGI has gotten. They've been able to shut down the California sound stage.

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    1. Re:Obviously by lgw · · Score: 1

      Now now, everyone on Slashdot knows the fake moon landings were filmed in a soundstage on Mars, not in California!

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    2. Re:Obviously by anOminousCow · · Score: 1

      Mars, as in Mid Atlantic Regional Spaceport?
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Atlantic_Regional_Spaceport

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    3. Re:Obviously by strack · · Score: 1

      you gotta give respect to the moon landing on a sound stage people. there like the original trolls. they got a astronaut to hit one of them ffs. thats some quality trolling.

  21. Beautiful Launch - pics and video by N8F8 · · Score: 1

    I work on the Cape. Here are some pics my friend took. Here. Here is my crappy iPhone video: here (launch starts around 2:40).

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    1. Re:Beautiful Launch - pics and video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Do you seriously expect slashdot readers to create a facebook account to see your photos? Please use a publicly-accessible host next time.

  22. Light gas space cannon? by freefrag · · Score: 1

    Could someone tell me if there is anything wrong with using a light gas cannon as the first two stages of a rocket as John Hunter proposes? Is the amount of propellant needed to fire the gun more than would be required by a traditional kerosene/LOX motor? It sounds to me like a space cannon would be an inexpensive way to launch non-living cargo mass. Has nobody invested in this sort of project because the space gun people all went to work for Saddam Hussein?

    1. Re:Light gas space cannon? by tsotha · · Score: 1

      Why build something like that when you still need a rocket program to launch everything that won't crush under acceleration?

    2. Re:Light gas space cannon? by afidel · · Score: 1

      Because it possibly offers another order of magnitude reduction in $/lb launch costs.

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    3. Re:Light gas space cannon? by tsotha · · Score: 1

      Well, okay. I'm very, very skeptical about the price savings. If you don't put maneuvering capability into the projectile you can launch things cheaply, but recovering the cargo in orbit becomes very expensive. If you put maneuvering capability into the projectile all your cost and reliability advantages go out the window.

      Within the last few years the army fielded a GPS guided artillery shell called Excalibur. The program ran two years past its deadline and each projectile costs $200k because getting the electronics to work reliably under those conditions was very difficult.

      A guided space cannon projectile would be orders of magnitude more difficult.

    4. Re:Light gas space cannon? by jrvz · · Score: 1

      Their plan is to launch a vehicle with its own maneuver capability. It's needed to circularize the orbit and to rendezvous. Mainly, they plan to launch fuel. Then a probe with just enough delta V to get into low earth orbit can refuel and continue into deep space.

  23. Nice pictures by solid_liq · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For such an expensive rocket launch, you'd think they'd at least have a professional photographer with professional lenses. Those pictures are terrible. Look at the flames; there's no detail. They obviously used cheap lenses. I'm an amateur photographer, but I have professional equipment because I'm too picky to have my pictures look as bad as their launch pictures do. I'm glad the launch succeeded, but you'd think they'd want better pictures for examining the launch and for PR.

    1. Re:Nice pictures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Next time why don't you go down there and take pictures of the launch pad four miles away from where you're standing. Ingrate.

    2. Re:Nice pictures by afidel · · Score: 1

      Uh, those pictures were from several miles downrange and for many several miles below the rocket, unless you own a $100k lens you're probably not going to get tack sharp shots (and even then the Canon 1200mm is only F5.6 making such a fast moving target hard to grab).

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  24. Soyuz versus Dragon Payload? by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

    What is the difference in payload size and weight of the soyuz versus the dragon? Do you know? Given the size of the rockets I get the impression the soyuz will be needed for really big payloads for a while. Or is it because the soyuz capsule is just really heavy itself. Not sure if you know, but...

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    1. Re:Soyuz versus Dragon Payload? by Vectormatic · · Score: 1

      AFAIK the soyuz launcher had a to-LEO mass of ~7 tones, compared to ~20 tons for the russian proton, or ~10 for this Falcon-9, or up to 35 for a Falcon-9 Heavy (according to the almighty wikipedia...)

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    2. Re:Soyuz versus Dragon Payload? by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So at $55M a pop, this could really be disruptive to the whole space industry.

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    3. Re:Soyuz versus Dragon Payload? by Vectormatic · · Score: 1

      perhaps yes, but somehow i doubt spaceX can get enough launches scheduled to satisfy demand, even if every launch from now on is flawless

      But yeah, Falcon-1 only did 1,5 tons to LEO, that is barely a mid-size car these days, Falcon-9 brings SpaceX well into competition teritory, never mind F-9 Heavy

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    4. Re:Soyuz versus Dragon Payload? by holmstar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm pretty sure that I read somewhere that spacex already has something like 30 payloads booked for future flights. Maybe those aren't firm contracts, but it doesn't sound like they are having any trouble with demand.

  25. The recovery from abort was damn impressive by voss · · Score: 1

    Ive never seen NASA recover from a near launch abort as quickly as spacex with a recovery time of less than an hour,
      and yes it did enhance the drama :)

    1. Re:The recovery from abort was damn impressive by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      and yes it did enhance the drama :)

      Cue the conspiracy theorists...

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  26. I can't help it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Falcon Launch!

  27. this is only LEO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is low earth orbit, hardly a suitable replacement for Ares and the Constellation program. This is likely more payback to Obama supporters than anything else o.w. these guys would've shortly been up sh!t creek w/o a paddle.

    i.e. it's like model rocketry excepting that the boys have a bigger budget.

    I'm not really sure why they need more LEO when the Air Force has already funded Atlas and Delta series. The Atlas IV can already provide what the Falcon-9 does, and the Atlas IV heavy more.

    1. Re:this is only LEO by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      The ISS is in LEO. Plus this launcher was originally designed to be GEO capable as well. Try reading the spec sheets at spacex.com.

  28. Scrooge McDuck by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    would disagree, it also makes for a lovely swimming pool.

  29. In three words: dollars per kilogram by Fished · · Score: 1

    This is many $/kg cheaper than either the Atlas or the Delta series, with the goal of becoming cheaper still. Atlas and delta, developed on a cost plus basis, don't even have that as a goal.

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