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Nintendo Seeks To Trademarks "It's On Like Donkey Kong"

eldavojohn writes "Nintendo has requested a trademark on the phrase 'It's on like Donkey Kong.' The phrase has been used in everything from rap to television in modern culture. From the article: 'The makers of the classic video-game franchise have filed a request with the US Patent and Trademark office to trademark the pop-culture phrase, "It's on like Donkey Kong." Nintendo claims that the catchphrase "is an old, popular Nintendo phrase that has a number of possible interpretations depending on how it's used."'"

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  1. Man... by Haedrian · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...this article is on Like Donkey Kong. (TM)

    1. Re:Man... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most obvious first post ever. Original, too!

    2. Re:Man... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah! And... and... it's... it's ... "jumping on platforms like Mario!" nah.

      Anyone else wanna give it a shot?

    3. Re:Man... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, "I'm hung like Donkey Kong"!

      Let's see Nintendo trademark that!

    4. Re:Man... by zero_out · · Score: 4, Funny

      You know, in all the DK games I've ever played, and cartoons I've watched, I never noticed if he had any genitalia. I've never looked for it, so it very well may be there, but if it's not... care to retract your statement?

    5. Re:Man... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...an adult gorilla's erect penis size is about 4cm in length

      From Wikipedia.

    6. Re:Man... by Professr3 · · Score: 1

      Actually, gorillas (like most other primates) have relatively small genitalia. Humans are an exception - at least, some of them are.

    7. Re:Man... by Tr3vin · · Score: 2, Funny

      Who the hell goes around measuring that type of stuff?!

    8. Re:Man... by zero_out · · Score: 1

      Zoologists?

    9. Re:Man... by Pojut · · Score: 3, Funny

      "This article is baller like Samus."
      "Damn, that was cold. Cold like Ice Climbers."
      "The name is Hare. Peppy Hare. I take it barrelled, not rolled."

    10. Re:Man... by Hope+Thelps · · Score: 5, Funny

      "...an adult gorilla's erect penis size is about 4cm in length"

      From Wikipedia [wikipedia.org].

      Who the hell goes around measuring that type of stuff?!

      Insecure gorillas.

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    11. Re:Man... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Your mother.

    12. Re:Man... by snspdaarf · · Score: 1

      No wonder he was always throwing barrels.

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    13. Re:Man... by master5o1 · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's SCIENCE! Bitches!

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    14. Re:Man... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the heads up that the wikipedia link goes directly to full frontal. Some of us are at work... :(

    15. Re:Man... by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Haven't you ever played the first game? It's obvious they were burnt off by fire.

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    16. Re:Man... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, "I'm hung like Donkey Kong"!

      You know, that's not a very good boast, what with human males having the largest penis size of any primate, relative to body size.

    17. Re:Man... by AlamedaStone · · Score: 2

      Actually, gorillas (like most other primates) have relatively small genitalia. Humans are an exception - at least, some of them are.

      Blame our big brains.

      No, seriously. At birth we have pretty honkin' big noggins. A larger, more resilient birth canal is required. That will tend to select for more generous male genitalia, female orgasms being a factor in successful impregnation.

      Science!

      (Okay, I kinda made all that up - but it's a good hypothesis...)

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    18. Re:Man... by Pseudonym+Authority · · Score: 1

      So, just for the record, what did from a link like "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/penis"?

    19. Re:Man... by havokca · · Score: 1, Funny

      I think you some words there.

    20. Re:Man... by transfatfree · · Score: 1

      considering the size

      more likely crytozoologists

    21. Re:Man... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      crypto i think you mean

    22. Re:Man... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...this article is on Like Donkey Kong. (TM)

      It's on Like King Kong!

    23. Re:Man... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "This article is baller like Samus."

      Try "... bombin' like Samus Aran."

    24. Re:Man... by arth1 · · Score: 1

      On one hand, that would have made sense, except that the male ostrich isn't all that well hung.

      On the other hand, poor Koko can't compete with J.Lo in buttocks size. We share this trait with equines, and as a result, penises over a certain minimum length has been selected for in both species.

      On the gripping hand, when our species started walking upright, we freed our hands for masturbation. The penis might be that big because our hands are.

    25. Re:Man... by davester666 · · Score: 1

      who goes by the name "Jane Goodall"...

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    26. Re:Man... by TheLink · · Score: 2, Funny

      You know, in all the DK games I've ever played, and cartoons I've watched, I never noticed if he had any genitalia. I've never looked for it, so it very well may be there, but if it's not... care to retract your statement?

      Retract his statement? If he's telling the truth, he's already got "full retraction" where it counts, what more do you want?

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    27. Re:Man... by TwistedMind66 · · Score: 1

      Replied to undo bad mod

    28. Re:Man... by nangus · · Score: 1

      you should get a grant and test your hypothesis.

    29. Re:Man... by Professr3 · · Score: 1

      Just hire a few Watchmakers under the table. I'm sure you'd find at least a Mote of information.

  2. Up next.... by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "I Nintendo'd that shit." -- Used to describe an act where you alienate people that previously liked you for a really, really stupid reason.

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    1. Re:Up next.... by jornak · · Score: 4, Interesting

      To be fair, it does include the name of a game that was copyrighted in 1981, and it was even contested and won against Universal City Studios because it was too close to King Kong.

    2. Re:Up next.... by mweather · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's a reason to disallow other people from trademarking it, not a reason to allow a phrase that's been in use for decades to be trademarked by a company that didn't even coin the phrase.

    3. Re:Up next.... by DittoBox · · Score: 1

      Well, I mean, really, that's dumb.

      After all, Sega does what Nintendon't.

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    4. Re:Up next.... by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Synonym ... "I Oracled that shit"

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    5. Re:Up next.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Trademarks and copyrights. Not the same thing.

    6. Re:Up next.... by operagost · · Score: 2, Informative

      Let's try to set this straight: it was Universal that sued Nintendo with the "King Kong" claim. Nintendo won because Universal didn't hold the copyight on the "King Kong" story. Universal was guilty of a string of SCO-like stupidities in this case, most significantly that they'd THEMSELVES already proven seven years earlier than the plot for "King Kong" was in the public domain.

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    7. Re:Up next.... by aliquis · · Score: 1

      "I Nintenhoe'd that shit!"?

      Up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A

    8. Re:Up next.... by aliquis · · Score: 1

      belly ups?

    9. Re:Up next.... by The+Wild+Norseman · · Score: 1

      "I Nintendo'd that shit." -- Used to describe an act where you alienate people that previously liked you for a really, really stupid reason.

      You mean they liked you for a really, really stupid reason before you alienated them?

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    10. Re:Up next.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a reason to disallow other people from trademarking it, not a reason to allow a phrase that's been in use for decades to be trademarked by a company that didn't even coin the phrase.

      It seems you are confusing a company with an ordinary citizen. Companies pay in cash, so they get to trademark whatever they like: "Windows" (see: Lindows) and "There's an app for that".

    11. Re:Up next.... by Spykk · · Score: 1

      Posting to fix a misclick.

    12. Re:Up next.... by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      "I Nintenhoe'd that shit!"?

      Up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A

      You're thinking of Konami.

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    13. Re:Up next.... by scot4875 · · Score: 1

      That's the Konami code. Nintendo rarely has cheats in their games.

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    14. Re:Up next.... by aliquis · · Score: 1

      duh ..

    15. Re:Up next.... by aliquis · · Score: 1

      You're all wrong. And no, I don't.

      I just have wilder imagination (and reading skills?) than you do.

      Ninten_HOE_'d, not Nintendo.

      And not as in Nintendo-coded.

      Directions/moves would be, well, directions/moves.

      B, A can be interpreted in whatever way you like ..

    16. Re:Up next.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except, really... Did anyone EVER 'like' Oracle?

  3. Will this pass muster? by schizz69 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I mean, can they really claim patent for a phrase that has millions of instances of prior use? IANAL, but surely they cant then start claiming royalties from the use of this phrase in current and future media? that would be like patenting the phrase 'how you doin'

    1. Re:Will this pass muster? by thepike · · Score: 4, Informative

      Donald Trump tried to patent "you're fired," so there's precedent for trying. He failed though (luckily) and I have to assume Nintendo will fail too. Also, I'd keep using it and not paying them royalties so it would really only affect print usage, and I doubt it's a common phrase in the Times.

    2. Re:Will this pass muster? by 19061969 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They're applying for a trademark rather than a patent so prior use is a little different here. I'm sure someone with greater knowledge of US trademark law will enlighten us, but I seem to recall that it is possible to trademark something that's been used (e.g., "Linux" was trademarked by Linus Torvalds back in the 1990s after someone else was using it for their business and he wanted it to be a protected phrase - this is AFAIR so I could be wrong).

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    3. Re:Will this pass muster? by datapharmer · · Score: 1

      You don't patent phrases. Trademarks have different rules. That said, I doubt this will be enforceable, so even if they did get it I imagine they would lose it pretty quickly.

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    4. Re:Will this pass muster? by Anon-Admin · · Score: 5, Informative

      On the 15 of August 1994, William R. Della Croce, Jr. filed for the trademark Linux, and then demanded royalties from Linux distributors.
      In 1996, Torvalds and some affected organizations sued him to have the trademark assigned to Torvalds, and in 1997 the case was settled.

      There is precedent for trademarking a name after it's use and using it to extort^h^h^h^h^h^h require licensing fees.

    5. Re:Will this pass muster? by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Donald Trump tried to patent "you're fired," so there's precedent for trying.

      There's precedent for people jumping off of cliffs too.
      Seems to be just about as meaningful too.

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    6. Re:Will this pass muster? by Draque · · Score: 1

      Trademark is very different than copyright. It can apply to a particular branch of products or services. For example, "Apple" is trademarked by multiple different companies that inhabit different economic fields. Nintendo could feasibly argue that they wanted to prevent people from using the phrase in video game related sales and promotions. That having been said, I think it's clear that the true intent is to strengthen control over the use of the words themselves. Trademark strength and applicability has been elevated nearly to that of copyright, and I worry that their goal might be to prevent anyone in any commercial (or even worse, *noncommercial*) field from using the phrase. Interpreted loosely enough, trademark law would allow this. And that would be terrible.

    7. Re:Will this pass muster? by 19061969 · · Score: 1

      Thank you sir for the information. I stand corrected.

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    8. Re:Will this pass muster? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're fired

      That would be $2.47 for each page view. Thanks you for doing business with us.

    9. Re:Will this pass muster? by StikyPad · · Score: 2, Funny

      I sort of wish he had succeeded, if only so I could turn in my old boss for infringement. :(

    10. Re:Will this pass muster? by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      There is a difference between patents and trademarks. Like copyright, you can trademark anything, and again like copyright, its up to the holder to defend it themselves. Trademarks are there to maintain brand integrity and recognition. Its OK, there is no controversy here. If a rapper wants to Donky Kong stuff, I don't see where this would be a trademark violation because they are in entirely different businesses, and there is no way to confuse Mr Rapper with Nintendo.

    11. Re:Will this pass muster? by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      I think you mean trademark?

      Though patenting the process of firing someone would be much more interesting. It could really help unemployment rates, until the masses of incompetent employees drove all major business into the ground...

    12. Re:Will this pass muster? by haystor · · Score: 1

      The difference here is that Linus was trading on the name Linux. He had a legitimate business working with that name.

      The issue is the phrase "It's on like Donkey Kong." Nintendo does not conduct a business using that phrase. As far as can be told, it was something coined and used by game players. So not only have they had no business interest in the phrase that they did not invent, but it has been undefended for years.

      They really should have no chance to trademark this phrase, except that there is no coherent body to stand up against them.

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    13. Re:Will this pass muster? by guyminuslife · · Score: 1

      I don't really think they can do that. I can say apple, Apple, and even Apple (TM) without opening myself up to a lawsuit. I would have a hard time seeing them enforcing this for regular Joes.

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    14. Re:Will this pass muster? by Theaetetus · · Score: 1

      You don't patent phrases. Trademarks have different rules. That said, I doubt this will be enforceable, so even if they did get it I imagine they would lose it pretty quickly.

      I disagree... First, trademarks are assertable only as uses in commerce. If you say it to your buddy, it's irrelevant. If Microsoft uses it in an advertisement for a new XBox game, that's enforceable.

      Second, prior art in trademarks is irrelevant, if they're not prior usage by another manufacturer. When you told your buddy "it's on like Donkey Kong" last year, you were referring to Nintendo's Donkey Kong. That's actually a third-party use of a mark that accrues to the benefit of Nintendo, since that's what you were referring to. Every time someone says the phrase, they strengthen the mark.

      How can this be, you ask? Because third, you get trademark rights as soon as the public associates "X" with you. Registration just gives you some additional damages and other protections under sec. 32 of the Lanham Act. Under sec. 43, unregistered marks still give rights to the owners. So yeah, the fact that they're only now applying for sec. 32 protection doesn't remove the fact that they had sec. 43 protection the day the first Donkey Kong advertisement came out and people thought "Donkey Kong = Nintendo".

    15. Re:Will this pass muster? by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      I sort of wish he had succeeded, if only so I could turn in my old boss for infringement. :(

      What, you mean your boss didn't use some kind of euphemism? "We're going to have to let you go", etc.?

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  4. Nintendo by Zaphod+The+42nd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Did Nintendo themselves ever actually use the phrase? I thought it was just a pop culture reference kinda thing, never a part of the actual franchise. >_>
    I call shenanigans.

    TFA says they're using it now to promote the new donkey kong country, but it seems like they're taking a phrase that the public created that is in the public domain and are trying to claim it as theirs.

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    1. Re:Nintendo by PoolOfThought · · Score: 1

      To apply for a trademark they do not have to have used the phrase... yet. When applying for a trademark you are really only asking for "dibs". Once granted you must prove you're actually using it in commerce. You don't have to prove that no one else is using it... you just have to prove you are. You have 6 months to provide this proof. During that same time it is put out there for the world to see and for anyone else to challenge your right to its exclusive (?) use. If there are no challenges, then after all that, it is yours. All that being the case, I'm guessing Nintendo plans to use the phrase to promote their next big offering or in a "tag line" type of function.

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    2. Re:Nintendo by Captain+Spam · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Did Nintendo themselves ever actually use the phrase? I thought it was just a pop culture reference kinda thing, never a part of the actual franchise. >_>

      I call shenanigans.

      TFA says they're using it now to promote the new donkey kong country, but it seems like they're taking a phrase that the public created that is in the public domain and are trying to claim it as theirs.

      Of course, it could also be as simple as someone in marketing deciding to use the phrase in advertisements (as a pop culture reference and nothing more), and the legal team, entirely by force of habit, attempting to trademark every last letter on the advertisement copy on a just-in-case-it-works basis.

      I'll grant that Nintendo's tried pulling trademark/copyright nonsense like this before (and were almost victims of it in the famous Universal case regarding Donkey Kong itself), but something tells me this was an overzealous lawyer deluging the trademark office with the standard-issue forest of paperwork when a new game is released, expecting the trademark office to do the fact-checking for him. Or failing that, to get a few bonus trademarks and maybe another raise if they're not paying attention.

      I say give it time to see how it pans out before we go... well, apeshit, appropriately.

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    3. Re:Nintendo by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      IANAL, but I think you are mistaken on a technicality. You may be correct insofar as registering a trademark, but to defend it in court against infringers is different. In court, Nintendo would have to show that it has zealously defended its trademark, and if the phrase is well-established in the wild then that test is likely to fail. I would assume that they are registering in order to exterminate unauthorized use with the hope that cease-and-desist letters will be enough, and nobody with deep pockets and an itch to fight will stand up to them.

    4. Re:Nintendo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm totally trademarking "apeshit". It sounds like an awesome console name. "Go extreme, Go Apeshit(TM)!"

    5. Re:Nintendo by Fluffeh · · Score: 1

      You may be correct insofar as registering a trademark, but to defend it in court against infringers is different. In court, Nintendo would have to show that it has zealously defended its trademark, and if the phrase is well-established in the wild then that test is likely to fail.

      Not if your plan is to simply bully the other parties into running out of cash defending a case. How many of those T-Shirt vendors using that phrase are going to have the funds ready and waiting to fight this in court? Should they argue and win this case? Yup.

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    6. Re:Nintendo by ashidosan · · Score: 2, Informative

      Can't Ice Cube claim prior art with his 1992 song, "Now I Gotta Wet'cha?" The opening lyric is "It's on like Donkey Kong." I'm sure Cube would be willing to license his copyrighted lyrics to Nintendo, if they just asked.

    7. Re:Nintendo by PoolOfThought · · Score: 1

      IANAL either, but I do have some experience with trademark registration and the processes involved. Here's the thing to keep in mind: a trademark is about use in commerce - not about use in casual conversation. If I go around saying "it's on like donkey kong" all day I am not in any sort of violation of trademark law even if Nintendo has registered it. However, I can't roll out a new brand of video game systems and use the same phrase to market my product. Being a competitor (or someone in the same general area) and using someone elses trademark can be harmful to the holder. But, being joe nobody and saying a trademarked phrase is not harmful. Nintendo doesn't need to stop everyone from saying it. They don't have to defend it from being used in casual conversation... hell they want other people to say it... and they want anyone within earshot to think "Nintendo" when they hear it. http://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/law/tmlaw.pdf The above link has information regarding applying for and the "opposition process" wherein one can oppose someone's trademark registration attempt. Trademarks are weak in that the same phrase can be registered to many different classes of commerce...

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    8. Re:Nintendo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhm, unless you slap down hard on that sort of thing they will continue to let their lawyers run around and do things that harm us all.

    9. Re:Nintendo by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Except there is a direct quote from Nintendo in TFA:

      "In addition to Nintendo's use, it has been used in popular music, television and film over the years, pointing to Donkey Kong's status as an enduring pop-culture icon and video game superstar," they said Wednesday in a written release.

      They clearly thought about this before doing (enough to put out a release to the media) as well as acknowledged it's already a common phrase in pop culture...

    10. Re:Nintendo by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 1

      You just threw 262 pages of trademark law at me and YANAL? Dude...

    11. Re:Nintendo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am away from my comp and not logged in. I could throw my ford Explorer repair manual at you even though I am not a mechanic... And it would still tell us both what we need to know to replace an oil filter. Especially if I tell you to which section you should pay attention.

    12. Re:Nintendo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Almost victims of it? Notice the picture doesn't look very much like a donkey to me. I'd say they were very lucky to get away with using King Kong but with a different first name.

  5. Given the current dearth of Kong... by gman003 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Since there haven't been many good Donkey Kong games in years, might I suggest a new variant on the phrase?

    It's gone like Donkey Kong.

    1. Re:Given the current dearth of Kong... by olsmeister · · Score: 2, Informative

      TFA mentions that there is a new game being released on 11/21, Donkey Kong Country Returns.

    2. Re:Given the current dearth of Kong... by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 3, Funny

      "In the barrio like Mario"?

      "Goin' to Fiji like Louigi"?

    3. Re:Given the current dearth of Kong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, how does a country 'return'? We talking tectonic shift here?

    4. Re:Given the current dearth of Kong... by ProppaT · · Score: 1

      And people will keep buying it because they perfected the formula from the onset. As much crap as everyone (including me) gives Nintendo, they've pretty much proven they have the market cornered on consistently being able to produce top notch platformers. I know many people who buy all of Nintendo's consoles JUST to play the first party platformers. Their third party support is bleak, so selling consoles based on first party titles must say something.

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    5. Re:Given the current dearth of Kong... by VGPowerlord · · Score: 1

      Nintendo used to have Rare developing games, both with Nintendo characters (Donkey Kong Country 1-3, DK64, Star Fox Adventures) and in general for their system (Banjo-Kazooie, Banjo-Tooie, Perfect Dark, etc...).

      Too bad Rare's a Microsoft property now.

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    6. Re:Given the current dearth of Kong... by gman003 · · Score: 1

      I was aware of that; hell, I saw the announcement back at E3. However, it isn't out yet, and that's (probably) the only good Kong game since the N64.

    7. Re:Given the current dearth of Kong... by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

      Especially since Rare hasn't done much of anything with Microsoft. Back in the day, Rare titles more or less defined the game console, I mean, Donkey Kong Country showed people that the SNES still had some life in it against CD based competitors. Goldeneye and Perfect Dark basically created the console FPS genre. (Ok, and Star Fox adventures totally sucked, but lets ignore that for a moment) But ever since Rare is with Microsoft, nothing has really happened. Yes, there was Viva Pinata but Rare has fallen from its glory days of old.

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    8. Re:Given the current dearth of Kong... by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Their first-party franchises aren't as bulletproof as they like to think.

      They screwed up Zelda and Metroid, so I'm not holding my breath on DKC.

    9. Re:Given the current dearth of Kong... by Hatta · · Score: 1

      You mean SNES right? DK64 is a tedious collecting fest plagued with low framerates, popup at insanely close distances, and all around shittyness. I'm usually pretty forgiving about classic games, but DK64 is abominable. The Banjo games, Mario 64, Rayman 2, Conker, all outclass DK64 by miles. Adventure on the Atari 2600 is a far more playable game. The only possible reason for playing DK64 today is that you were a poor impressionable child back then, who got DK64 solely because of the license, and were too ignorant to know it sucked. In that case, maybe nostalgia would make it worth while, but it's more likely that your memories will be tarnished by the experience.

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    10. Re:Given the current dearth of Kong... by Unkyjar · · Score: 1

      *drive by argument*

      I disagree!

      *drives away*

    11. Re:Given the current dearth of Kong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I usually don't like to point to commercial products but this is an exception, for real DK fans there's Donkey 2 Kong ("Jumpman Returns").

    12. Re:Given the current dearth of Kong... by scot4875 · · Score: 1

      Rare hasn't done anything worthwhile since Conker's Bad Fur Day. Perfect Dark was decent. Star Fox Adventures was meh (and would have still been meh if they hadn't re-tooled it with Star Fox characters), and the few games they've released for the XBox platforms haven't been particularly noteworthy.

      Nintendo made out like bandits when they sold their stake in Rare.

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    13. Re:Given the current dearth of Kong... by scot4875 · · Score: 1

      Other M was crap, and Corruption was the weakest of the Prime trilogy, I'll give you -- but what gripe do you have with Zelda? Twilight Princess was pretty much a standard Zelda game.

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    14. Re:Given the current dearth of Kong... by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Not TP. Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks.

  6. What do they gain? by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Don't you normally trademark something so that other people can't impersonate your work to give it a bad rep or something?

    What does Nintendo have to gain by trademarking this phrase?

    1. Re:What do they gain? by Anon-Admin · · Score: 1, Informative

      $$$

    2. Re:What do they gain? by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 1

      How?

    3. Re:What do they gain? by BlitzTech · · Score: 1

      Are you really asking this question?

      1. Patent phrase "It's on like Donkey Kong"
      2. ???
      3. Profit

      You're asking about Step #2. You must be new here...

    4. Re:What do they gain? by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 1

      Patent != Trademark

    5. Re:What do they gain? by rolfwind · · Score: 1

      Maybe the are:

      -about to start a PR campaign and want to make sure the main catchphrase can be owned
      -coming out with a new DK game

      I don't know. Most times I see things like this and think the company lawyers are just finding ways to rack up hours.

    6. Re:What do they gain? by BlitzTech · · Score: 1

      Oh. Right. s/Patent/Trademark/. Be that as it may, you're still asking about the "2. ???" step ;P

  7. I feel an unfortunate engrish incident coming on.. by Statecraftsman · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dear Nintendo,

    Congratulations, your request for trademark of the phrase "It's on rike Donkey Kong" has been approved.

    Sincerely,

    The Trademark Office

  8. Nintendo doesn't play with Ketchu. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're drawing the stuff for a real pissing match now, make no Short Order about it: it's Burgher time now, Chaps! They're bringing the Honkey Dong now, and throwin' them banaanars at the bitches!

    >>Will this pass muster?

  9. Re:I feel an unfortunate engrish incident coming o by argmanah · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dear Nintendo, Congratulations, your request for trademark of the phrase "It's on rike Donkey Kong" has been approved. Sincerely, The Trademark Office

    I find your comment to be lacist.

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  10. Identifying a Product by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If "On like Donkey Kong" was a phrase used to market a game that consumers though was the Nintendo property, there might be a case here. That is the only test that is used to determine whether a phrase or symbol infringes a trademark.

    Corporations who frivolously try to grab intellectual "property" like this should have to pay the government fees for using up taxpayer funded resources.

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    1. Re:Identifying a Product by damien_kane · · Score: 3, Informative

      If "On like Donkey Kong" was a phrase used to market a game that consumers though was the Nintendo property, there might be a case here. That is the only test that is used to determine whether a phrase or symbol infringes a trademark.

      Corporations who frivolously try to grab intellectual "property" like this should have to pay the government fees for using up taxpayer funded resources.

      It is;
      From TFA, it's the phrase they're using to promote the newest incarnation of Donkey Kong Country for the Wii, which releases 11/21.

    2. Re:Identifying a Product by The+Dancing+Panda · · Score: 1

      Their trademark is probably so other game companies can't use the phrase to market their games. In that context, this seems valid.

    3. Re:Identifying a Product by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but that is a Nintendo game. He meant a non-Nintendo game using the phrase, of course.

      Trademarks are not usually valid unless they are in a competing industry (which is how Apple computer successfully fought the Apple Records lawsuit, before they turned around and started threatening every unrelated industry they could find regarding their own trademarks).

  11. *Do* trademarks work that way? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Indeed...

    My understanding of copyright/patent/trademark laws is quite weak but I've always thought that you register trademarks in a limited scope. For example, if a software company trademarks the word "Explorer", some ship manufacturer could still also trademark "Explorer" because it is clear that the Explorer (tm) ships are different from the Explorer (tm) software.

    How does that work when it comes to expressions like this one?

    1. Re:*Do* trademarks work that way? by VGPowerlord · · Score: 1

      As I understand it, Trademarks are divided into categories. When you register a trademark, you have to specify which category you're trademarking it in.

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    2. Re:*Do* trademarks work that way? by Fluffeh · · Score: 1

      How does that work when it comes to expressions like this one?

      Clearly, very clearly, what it means is that, ahem, again, very clearly, that we, being Nintendo, can clearly do whatever it is that we want, and you, clearly, can not do pretty much anything at all with that phrase.

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    3. Re:*Do* trademarks work that way? by meerling · · Score: 1

      (ianal) And don't foreget that if you don't actively protect a trademark you lose it. Taking into the account that "It's on like Donkey Kong!" has been around and very public for over a decade, and and they are just now getting around to thinking about trademarking a phrase that wasn't even used by them, looks like they already lost before they even applied...

      I'm betting they want to start a marketing push using the phrase, and realized they don't own it, so they are trying to find some stupid people at the trademark office to effectively retroactively award something they already lost.

    4. Re:*Do* trademarks work that way? by thedarknite · · Score: 1

      But you can apply for trademarks in categories where you don't have a business presence. Which is why Lucasfilm Ltd has been applying for trademarks on Droid in almost every category for the past decade.

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  12. Next up by Nidi62 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Barbara Streisand files for trademark over the use of "Streisand Effect"

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    1. Re:Next up by damien_kane · · Score: 3, Informative

      Barbara Streisand files for trademark over the use of "Streisand Effect"

      I'm pretty sure, if she ever tried that, that Robert Smith and Syndey Poitier would beat her in a match of mecha-ro-sham-bo

    2. Re:Next up by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

      Except, they're not trying to censor the phrase "It's on like Donkey Kong". In fact, I'm pretty sure they'll be propagating as far and wide as possible when they release Donkey Kong Country later this month.

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    3. Re:Next up by Grapplebeam · · Score: 1

      You know, I almost think this could have been intentional, if it weren't so stupid. We're not even talking about the upcoming game because we're all talking about how dumb this is.

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  13. I have only one thing to say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro7weKi019Y

    Run with it, this place hasn't had a good solid meme for a long long time.

  14. Re:I feel an unfortunate engrish incident coming o by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As in, lamely racist?

  15. King Kong by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    This is a pretty lame move to steal a public domain phrase created by the public, to increase some valuation of "Donkey Kong" that Nintendo named after King Kong, a media property to which Nintendo has never had any legitimate claim.

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    1. Re:King Kong by lennier1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's not that unusual.
      The Star Destroyer crashed in the "Star Wars: The Force Unleashed" trailer was a fan art 3D model a fan had created and then released online. The model was published under the explicit requirement that it was only to be used for non-commercial purposes.
      Of course that was ignored, just like it was ignored when another model by the same fan was used for the second Family Guy Star Wars special.
      In both cases it was easy to identify, since the surface detailing included patterns which differed from all filming models.

    2. Re:King Kong by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      "This is a pretty lame move to steal a public domain phrase"

      I don't think they're "stealing" it. You would still be able to use it as much as you wanted, in most contexts, except to sell a competing video game.

    3. Re:King Kong by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      They already own "Donkey Kong". Using "It's On Like Donkey Kong" to sell a competing video game would already be prevented by the "Donkey Kong" trademark. This move is at best redundant, in an overreaching way. Which leads me to expect that they'd overreach on what they attempted to protect. I expect they'd try to extort money or just send baseless Cease & Desist letters to people using the phrase who aren't selling a competing video game.

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    4. Re:King Kong by xclr8r · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of the NFL and New Orleans with regards to 'Who Dat' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Dat%3F .

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    5. Re:King Kong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Walt Disney Company.......need I say more?

  16. Re:I feel an unfortunate engrish incident coming o by Applekid · · Score: 4, Funny

    As in weally wacist.

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  17. You know what th by John+Whorfin · · Score: 2, Funny

    This sounds like the real deal Holyfield...

  18. Doesn't rhyme: Perhaps Donkey Con? by GodWasAnAlien · · Score: 1

    Can we fix the rhyme and avoid the happy-birthday-to-you-copyright-or-trademark-fee?

    It's on like Donkey Con.

    Or Donkey Cohn, depending or which way you say it.

    1. Re:Doesn't rhyme: Perhaps Donkey Con? by east+coast · · Score: 2, Funny

      Khhhhhhhaaaaaaannnnnnn!

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    2. Re:Doesn't rhyme: Perhaps Donkey Con? by Manos_Of_Fate · · Score: 1

      Kaaaaaahhnnn!

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    3. Re:Doesn't rhyme: Perhaps Donkey Con? by Manos_Of_Fate · · Score: 1

      Curse you, beaten!
      Note to self: refresh page before posting.

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    4. Re:Doesn't rhyme: Perhaps Donkey Con? by Herkum01 · · Score: 1

      Don't you mean,

      Kkkkoooonnnngggg!!!

  19. What? by creat3d · · Score: 1

    Raise your hand if you've never heard that phrase before, you think it's retarded and you hope never to hear it.

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  20. It's On Like Donkey Kong. by It'sOnLikeDonkeyKong · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's On Like Donkey Kong in all fields.

  21. I've never played Donkey Kong by blair1q · · Score: 0, Troll

    Nor any of the Mario Bros. titles.

    Ever.

    Well, maybe for a few seconds in a store. Maybe.

    So, whatever it is they think is on, I'm changing the channel.

    1. Re:I've never played Donkey Kong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for letting us know.

  22. Re:I feel an unfortunate engrish incident coming o by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean "learry lacist".

    I suppose the translation would had been awfully more complicated if instead of Donkey Kong they were trying to trademark something related to the Malio and Ruigi Blothers

  23. Devastation all around by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 1

    Devastation all around ... in the pr0n industry.

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  24. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They already have a Trademark on "Donkey Kong." Isn't that enough to stop people from using "It's On Like Donkey Kong" in branding their gaming products?

  25. Active Use by silicon-pyro · · Score: 1

    If successful, they will have to "use" the trademarked phrase actively to maintain it. Who wants that?

  26. Not exactly the same. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about Trace Adkins 'Honky Tonk Badonkadonk', with the lyrics "Got it goin' on, Like Donkey Kong "? Are they including that phrases as well?

  27. A day late by StikyPad · · Score: 1

    Even if they can trademark it, it's long since lost its novelty and value. A day late and a dollar short, so to speak.

    Actually let's give them that phrase instead, then everyone wins.

  28. Re:I feel an unfortunate engrish incident coming o by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

    I will not have my fwiends widiculed by the common soldiewy!

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  29. Nintendo.... by StealthPanda · · Score: 1

    Concerning this new patent request, I'll see you in court! It's on like Donkey Kong®!!!

    1. Re:Nintendo.... by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      Concerning this new patent request, I'll see you in court! It's on like Donkey Kong®!!!

      Trademark. Not patent.

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  30. I've never heard anyone saying it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have I lived a sheltered life? Is it really that common a phrase?

  31. Cheap Advertising? by Surak_Prime · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How much does it cost to try to file for a trademark like this?

    How much free advertising is Nintendo getting for their upcoming DK sequel from various news outlets for *trying* to?

    Does anyone think Nintendo even *cares* if they get the trademark or not?

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  32. Unrelated, mostly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm gonna bonk her like Conker!

    1. Re:Unrelated, mostly by McSneer · · Score: 1

      I'm gonna rouse her like Bowser!

    2. Re:Unrelated, mostly by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      I'm gonna rouse her like Bowser!

      In da poopa like Koopa!

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  33. Isn't the shame enough? by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

    If the shame of spouting this gem is not enough to stop you, it will probably get you beat quicker than saying "It looks like you have a case of the Mondays."

  34. It's on like Pokemon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who owns the Pokemon trademark?

  35. Not something for Nintendo to claim ownership of. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm positive some late 80's hip-hop songs used this phrase first, it's been in the vernacular for a while but definitely has no origin from Nintendo themselves, such as originating from promotional literature, advertisements, or commercials. Maybe Beastie Boys used it (going from memory)?

    They should find out which artist(s) used it first and clear things up with them. Rap commonly makes video game references, but I don't think that gives the related game company the right to trademark bits of the lyrics they did not write.

  36. Never by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have never heard or read that sentence before today.

  37. Re:I feel an unfortunate engrish incident coming o by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 1

    As in weally wacist.

    Just what we need, someone spreading FUD on a /. discussion.

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  38. So.. is it on, or is it not on? by zAPPzAPP · · Score: 1

    What does that even mean?
    Is Donkey Kong on? Or not, implying that 'it' is not on either?
    Clearly I can switch Donkey Kong 'On' and 'Off' at any time, making that statement useless. So it must be something else I'm missing here.

  39. Likelihood of confusion by Infonaut · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That's the bedrock of trademark law. Here's a classic example from my neck of the woods: A little organic fast-food place called "McDharma's" was sued by McDonald's. McDonald's successfully argued that visitors might be confused and think that because of the "Mc" appelation and the fact that the place served fast food, consumers would potentially be unsure as to whether it was associated with McDonald's or not. Furthermore, if McDharma's made boatloads of money by trading on this confusion, they would be running afoul of trademark law, which is designed to protect consumers from unscrupulous businesscritters.

    When someone uses the phrase "It's on like Donkey Kong," there isn't any confusion about what we're talking about. Has anyone else used it in commerce? I don't know of any examples where they have. So Nintendo might be able to trademark this one, as counterintuitive as it sounds. You and I can say "It's on like Donkey Kong" until the cows come home. We can write it, make fun of it, etc., just like we do with any other corporate tagline. We just can't use it to sell something else that is confusingly similar to Donkey Kong.

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    1. Re:Likelihood of confusion by sempir · · Score: 1

      So Durex could apply for: "Our contraceptives go in like Flynn". if you don't catch on ask your grand pa!
      It's an old expression for quick and easy, (after the antics of actor Errol Flynn who was said to have spent more time on top of actresses than on his feet).

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  40. Trademark dilution by tepples · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Trademarks are divided into categories. When you register a trademark, you have to specify which category you're trademarking it in.

    But once your trademark becomes sufficiently famous, you can enforce it against other categories because they're assumed to be merchandising.

  41. I don't think that means what you think it means. by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

    "It's on like a plumber avoiding barrels to defeat a Gorilla and save a Princess!"

    Also: The phrase "It's on" is only exciting if your talking to your partner about a condom.

  42. Re:Not something for Nintendo to claim ownership o by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Theonly time I've heard that phrase or something similar is in Trace Adkins' country hit "Honky Tonk Badonkadonk" with the lyric, "she's got it goin' on like Donkey Kong". Other than that, no dice.

  43. Spot the typo by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
    The original Submission: Nintendo Trademarks 'It's on Like Donkey Kong', which was grammatically correct.

    samzenpus wrote the headline 'Nintendo Seeks To Trademarks "It's On Like Donkey Kong" ', adding some necessary qualification, and a verb misagreement.

    1. Re:Spot the typo by Crock23A · · Score: 1

      Seriously. Do people proofread anything?

  44. Re:I feel an unfortunate engrish incident coming o by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

    Don't be a plick.

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  45. Wow, what a cheap way to get publicity by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

    Luckily nobody is dumb enough to run a story about such an obvious ploy.

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  46. Donkey Kong is an animal by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 1

    Pacman is my friend, Donkey Kong is an animal

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  47. Why don't trademark all phrases? by Tonhoo · · Score: 1

    "I have a dream..."(TM)

  48. Am I the only one... by penguinchris · · Score: 1

    ... who can't claim to have heard this phrase before? Am I really the only person on Slashdot who is out of touch with "pop culture" insofar as Nintendo games are part of pop culture?

    I'm 24, it's not like I'm either too old to be in touch with pop culture, or too young to have played any Donkey Kong games when they were big.

    1. Re:Am I the only one... by timftbf · · Score: 1

      No. I played Donkey Kong in the arcade when it came out, I've played a lot of video games since, and I've never heard it.

      Is it a localised thing? (I'm in the UK)

  49. Too Bad by The+Wild+Norseman · · Score: 1

    It's a real shame that I'm not a red-headed stepchild. I'd make millions...

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  50. Idiotic. by crhylove · · Score: 1

    I've been a fan of Nintendo for over 20 years. OVER. This kind of corporate idiocy just proves AGAIN why we need to eliminate all corporations. HORRIBLE.

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  51. Trademark is different than patent by Theaetetus · · Score: 1

    I mean, can they really claim patent for a phrase that has millions of instances of prior use? IANAL, but surely they cant then start claiming royalties from the use of this phrase in current and future media? that would be like patenting the phrase 'how you doin'

    Prior use is entirely irrelevant in trademark (except for prior concurrent use by another manufacturer). Basically, unlike patents or copyrights, the question isn't "has someone used this phrase before?" Rather, it's "has someone used this phrase to refer to a non-Nintendo property?" In other words, when someone says this, do you think of Nintendo, or do you think of Sega, Apple, General Motors, Bob's Discount House of Kong, etc.?

    Suffice to say, no. So use prior to the trademark registration is irrelevant. Actually, more than that, it's beneficial - third party usage (the millions of instances of prior use, all of which referred to Nintendo's game) can actually accrue to the benefit of the trademark owner. So, yeah - if you said it last year, but you were referring to the Nintendo game Donkey Kong, then you just strengthened the mark, rather than creating invalidating prior art.

  52. Marvin? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I assume Marvin is heading to the patent office as we speak?

  53. Pop culture phrase? by Tim+C · · Score: 1

    Must be a US thing, I've never heard it here in the UK.

    Either that or I'm more past it than I realised...

    1. Re:Pop culture phrase? by necronom426 · · Score: 1

      I've never heard it either, and I'm in England.

  54. Re:I feel an unfortunate engrish incident coming o by martas · · Score: 1

    wabbit season!

  55. Re:I feel an unfortunate engrish incident coming o by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

    Duck Season! Fire!!!!!

    *walks over to retrieve beak and affixes it back on face*

    You're deshpicable!

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  56. I've got the solution.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Its on like Crazy Kong"

  57. Trademarks by DrYak · · Score: 1

    On the other hand there's a difference between trademark laws and the others.

    - Copyright law could be enforced, is often so, but don't necessarily need to. (Some companies tolerate some amount of piracy because it's not worth the effort to actively combat it and on the other hand it brings free publicity. See DRM-less non-free indie games).
    - Patents could be enforced, but the current trend is just to sit on a pile of them and use them as a menace in a nuclear Mutual-Assured-Destruction (MAD) like fashion. Only use them to kill an oponent. Or as a way to form alliances.
    - Trademarks on the other hand REQUIRE you to take active step. The law ODERS you to protect your brand or you could lose it.

    If you don't show that you take measure to avoid brand dilution, the word gets genericized and stop designating your specifically branded product but the whole type of product. (Lots of everyday object, in french, are colloquially called by names which are former brand names). As an exemple, Google needs to publicise and encourage correct usage of its name to avoid that googling degrades into a verb meaning "searching online, no matter the engine". If that where let to happen, then Microsoft would be free to name their search engine as "Microsoft Google" instead of Bing. Google would be left out without any way to complain : they didn't defent the Google trademark, the name got diluted, genericized and now means any type of search engine. In this hypothetic alternate world, were google is a noun interchangrable with "search", MS could use it to name a product just a they could have named is "MS Search". Google would lose its possibility to get recognised by consumer.

    In this situation, Nintendo *has to*... is *required by trademark law* to show that they actively protect their trademark. If they don't the phrase "donkey kong" could start to simply mean "something mighty" instead of "that precise character from Nintendo's games". If that were to happen, SEGA could without problem creat a caracter called "Mr. Strong the donkey kong" (= furry side kick n1857 in the next instalment of the Sonic series of game :-P )

    Now the whole trademark law is designed around brand recognition and deception (making sure that a TM-ed name designs precisely what it should not look-a-like) - not about controlling what can one say (that would be free-speech violation and is a big "no-no" in most western countries). In "on like Donkey Kong", you can prove that nobody is trying to pass *another* product as being a donkey kong, it clearly designate *The* Donkey Kong from Nintendo (As opposite to any other mighty gorilla) and you just *compare* to it. So Nintendo is very probably going to lose this. BUT they *have to do it* anyway, just to show that they care about the trademark, other wise they might subsequently lose it as per trademark law.

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  58. Re:I feel an unfortunate engrish incident coming o by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

    As in weally wacist.

    Just what we need, someone spreading FUD on a /. discussion.

    Nicely done... Arthur Q. Bryan would be proud!

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  59. Is it time to destroy the system? by kentsin · · Score: 1

    Some day, we should copyright and trademark every possible combination of text up to 180 chars.

    Shall we?