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Designer Arrested Over Anonymous Press Release

An anonymous reader writes "A Greek designer named Alex Tapanaris, whose name appeared on the PDF press release circulated by online trouble-makers Anonymous has had his web site disappeared and, according to reports, the unfortunate chap has been arrested. THINQ managed to talk to Alex on the phone, and while he wouldn't confirm his arrest, he 'certainly sounded spooked,' the web site reports. 'No comment,' he said and hung up. The press release sought to explain Anonymous's aims and lack of any formal organization. It explained that the Anonymous name is applied to a shifting roster of individuals who come together on an ad hoc basis, depending on individual concerns and practical, day-to-day matter such as who happens to be online at the time. Clicking on the document's properties revealed Tapanaris as its named author."

288 comments

  1. Geniuses by devbox · · Score: 0

    Attacking financial services, banks and government websites is probably the best idea in the world.

    1. Re:Geniuses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Attacking financial services, banks and government websites is probably the best idea in the world.

      Yes, it is when you're anonymous. Nobody can stop us, nobody can find us. We won't make the same mistake again.
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      A Tapanaris

    2. Re:Geniuses by icebike · · Score: 2

      And being silly enough to do it with software that attaches your credentials is an even dumber idea.

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    3. Re:Geniuses by icebike · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Mod parent LOL...

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    4. Re:Geniuses by puto · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, because the Greeks are sooooooooooo calm. They set their own ministry of finance on fire today.

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    5. Re:Geniuses by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

      yea, if I were to do anything like this it would be inside a virtual machine, on someone else's hijacked computer in some other country.

    6. Re:Geniuses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But Captain! We don't HAVE +1 LOL!!

      Captcha: multiple, what she said!

    7. Re:Geniuses by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      The guy left his name in the "author" field when he compiled the pdf. Nothing say dumb criminal like attaching your name to the evidence.

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    8. Re:Geniuses by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Jealous of their cojones?

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    9. Re:Geniuses by Zapotek · · Score: 4, Funny
      FUCK YOU! WE'RE CALM! AAAAAARGH! YOU MADE ME SPILL MY DRINK! :@ /brought to you by a Greek dude that is currently ducking...

      Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.

      That's my point -.-

    10. Re:Geniuses by interval1066 · · Score: 1

      Ha ha ha ha ha...

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    11. Re:Geniuses by mcvos · · Score: 1

      Writing a PDF is criminal now?

    12. Re:Geniuses by SuperSlacker64 · · Score: 2

      Real criminals use .doc.

    13. Re:Geniuses by capnchicken · · Score: 1

      Obviously he is distributing terrorism recruitment material. Speech is only free if you agree with it and it doesn't cause too much of a ruckus. He practically yelled FIRE! in a crowded theater. ... *sigh*

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    14. Re:Geniuses by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Attacking financial services, banks and government websites is probably the best idea in the world.

      And if the attacker is anonymous, associating yourself with them in any way, even making a "press release" that sounds like it might be on their behalf, is probably not a very smart idea either.

      I suppose based on what the authorities will do, it will eventually become known whether this person is directly involved in the attacks or not, or just some commentator trying to take advantage of a situation for Ad revenues.

    15. Re:Geniuses by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Hm... i'm afraid Anonymous may learn a new way to pick a target.

      Metadata to make a press release appear to be authored by chosen target.

      If authorities will react so spontaneously and so quickly.... anonymous can get anyone arrested that they want, even with no merits whatsoever.

      Real-Life "DoS" also known as DoF (Denial of Freedom)

    16. Re:Geniuses by AndGodSed · · Score: 1

      Well they found at least one of you so far...

    17. Re:Geniuses by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      I am Alex Tapanaris.

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  2. Congratulations by TheL0ser · · Score: 1

    Clicking on the document's properties revealed Tapanaris as its named author.

    Congratulations, Mr. Tapanaris, you've won the "Wow, I'm an idiot for signing an 'anonymous' document" prize!

    1. Re:Congratulations by skids · · Score: 1

      Or the: "lets employees use his login profile" award.

    2. Re:Congratulations by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 2

      Well, he probably used software that he used in his design business. For a designer, anonymity is normally counterproductive, and in any case, non free software encourages or even requires"registration".

      He should have burned a LiveCD, and used the tools on that to maintain a semblance of anonymity.

    3. Re:Congratulations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who says someone else didn't sign his name? Now, given that I read just the summary, not the article, maybe I'm missing something.

    4. Re:Congratulations by arivanov · · Score: 1

      He may. Especially if you consider that "Tapanaris" means more or less Village Idiot in two languages spoken on the north side of the greek border.

      So I strongly suspect that he has very little in common with Anonymous. A case of mixing "mistaken identity" and "cruel "Balkan neigbourly relations" joke.

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    5. Re:Congratulations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude really, where do you get your translation from? I have found a probable translation and it's in Romanian and it means "Your up laughing". And by the way, two countries north of Greece can be any of these(starting from the nearest to Greece) Bulgaria, Macedonia, Albania, Serbia, Romania. You can mistake Bulgarian, Serbian and Macedonian for one language though there are differences, but Romanian and Albanian are nothing alike them. And please check your facts.

    6. Re:Congratulations by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      30-sec on google translate gives "tapanar" as meaning "jerk" in Bulgaraian. Maybe you should check you facts?

  3. And this is why... by Epsilon+Moonshade · · Score: 1

    ... if you're going to do something dodgy, you put fake names into your software registration fields. :p

    1. Re:And this is why... by Hope+Thelps · · Score: 2

      ... if you're going to do something dodgy, you put fake names into your software registration fields. :p

      In fact, if you do anything at all you put fake names into your software registration. This time it was only the police that got him - next time it could be telemarketers.

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    2. Re:And this is why... by gblackwo · · Score: 1

      Maybe Alex. T. was the fake name.

    3. Re:And this is why... by Minwee · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's why I always register my software with an obviously fake name like "Alex Tapanaris".

    4. Re:And this is why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or even worse the BSA

    5. Re:And this is why... by countSudoku() · · Score: 1

      NO, I'm Alex Tapanaris...

      Fellow mad scientists and evil doers, take note! Be sure and sign your manifesto ONLY if you want the credit up front, otherwise nix the author name field and take down the neon "We're Anonymous in here!" sign off the storefront. Good ideas both. Good luck, sirs!

      Deep 13, out.

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    6. Re:And this is why... by grub · · Score: 1

      In your best Fight Club voice:

      His name was Alex Tapanaris!
      His name was Alex Tapanaris!
      His name was Alex Tapanaris!
      His name was Alex Tapanaris!
      His name was Alex Tapanaris!
      His name was Alex Tapanaris!
      His name was Alex Tapanaris! ...

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    7. Re:And this is why... by spun · · Score: 5, Funny

      NOBODY expects the Business Software Alliance! Our chief weapon is surprise. Surprise and fear. Fear and surprise. Our two chief weapons are fear, surprise, and unlimited duration copyrights. Our THREE weapons are fear, surprise, unlimited duration copyrights, and employees who hate their bosses. Our FOUR, no... amongst our weapons... amongst our weaponry... are such elements... as fear, surprise... can I come in again?

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    8. Re:And this is why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His name was Alex Tapanaris. His name was Alex Tapanaris. His name was Alex Tapanaris.

    9. Re:And this is why... by killmenow · · Score: 1

      Just checked my software registration info. Yep, registered to one "Mr Nunya Biznes" as expected.

    10. Re:And this is why... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      You mean like "Quality Assurance" ;-)

    11. Re:And this is why... by grahamlord86 · · Score: 1

      No, I am Alex Tapanaris. ...and maybe Spartacus.

    12. Re:And this is why... by snspdaarf · · Score: 1

      I am Alex Tapanaris, and so's my wife!

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    13. Re:And this is why... by JumperCable · · Score: 1

      The irony is that it was OpenOffice.org that ratted him out.

    14. Re:And this is why... by GuruBuckaroo · · Score: 1

      Send your money to me, Mr. Al Tapanaris.

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    15. Re:And this is why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have never posted to slashdot before but your post compelled me. Have you considered suicide?

    16. Re:And this is why... by c0lo · · Score: 1

      The irony is that it was OpenOffice.org that ratted him out.

      How's that irony? Isn't OpenOffice supposed to be... well... open?

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    17. Re:And this is why... by BluBrick · · Score: 1

      I know a guy wou always signed petitions as Ivan Hopontopovous - now THAT's an obvioously fake name! -- Ivan Hopontopovous

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    18. Re:And this is why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sir are a moron. Use free software. Don't register. And certainly do everything from a stock install.

    19. Re:And this is why... by julesh · · Score: 3, Funny

      "... and a fanatical devotion to Bill Gates?"

    20. Re:And this is why... by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      Oh no, that poor guy. Now EVERYBODY in the whole world is going to use his name to register with a fake identity on registration-only websites, for illegal copies of software, as virus signatures, etc... A new meme has just been born.

    21. Re:And this is why... by Legion303 · · Score: 1

      Or even if you're not doing anything dodgy. With very few exceptions, any software that requires me to enter registration info knows me as "Joe Blow," and I work at "Kokomo Systems, Inc."

    22. Re:And this is why... by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      I always enter "Alex Dick." Not so much because of the anonymous thing, more that then it says "document created by A Dick."

  4. Is this even a story? by jandrese · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When someone is arrested, isn't there a public record of it? Why not call the local police to verify instead of calling the guy directly? In fact being able to call him directly suggest that he has not been arrested.

    Creating a press release describing how Anonymous isn't some group with centralized leadership doesn't seem like a crime to me either.

    I can't help but to think that this sounds like media whoring at its worst. Basically a big prank pulled on the public at large.

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    1. Re:Is this even a story? by devbox · · Score: 0

      It might be surprising, but the rest of the world doesn't always work the same way as US. We also value privacy and don't release public records on just arrests and people could be arrested, questioned and released to wait for outcome if there is no threat to anyone or reason to believe he might try to flee the country, for example.

    2. Re:Is this even a story? by bsDaemon · · Score: 2

      Just because he was arrested doesn't mean he was actually charged with anything, or still being held. He could have been released and thus perfectly able to answer his phone. Of course, just because they didn't have enough to hold/charge him doesn't mean they didn't have enough to get an order to wire tap him in hopes that he'd say some dumb, incriminating shit to people.

    3. Re:Is this even a story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I can't help but to think that this sounds like media whoring at its worst. Basically a big prank pulled on the public at large.

      To think that Anonymous would be capable of such a thing!!

    4. Re:Is this even a story? by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      In the US yes but I don't think this was in the US. The story said was Greek but that doesn't mean that he was in Greece. Plus do we have hard date besides a link in pastebin?

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    5. Re:Is this even a story? by jandrese · · Score: 2

      Wow, so midnight "disappearances" of people in other countries is just the government respecting the individual's privacy? I never looked at it that way before.

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    6. Re:Is this even a story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When someone is arrested, isn't there a public record of it? Why not call the local police to verify instead of calling the guy directly? In fact being able to call him directly suggest that he has not been arrested.

      Who said someone was arrested? That person does not exist. That person never existed. And Guantanamo doesn't exist either.

      21st Century USA

    7. Re:Is this even a story? by unity100 · · Score: 2

      i believe most of those disappearances of people in those other countries can be attributed to cia. as in the case of the german citizen being kidnapped from the middle of europe.

    8. Re:Is this even a story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in Greece and I can tell you that there would be a story in the news if Tapanaris was arrested.
      But today there is a general strike in the country and there are no news at the media!
      We will know tomorrow.

    9. Re:Is this even a story? by sjames · · Score: 1

      It doesn't even mean he actually did anything.

      Give me a few minutes and I can produce a copy of the Constitution signed by Alex Tapanaris. Also, Das Kapital and the Unibomber's manefesto.

      He may or may not even know anybody who considers themselves to be a member of Anonymous.

    10. Re:Is this even a story? by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Does greece "disappear" people? I never realised.

    11. Re:Is this even a story? by julesh · · Score: 1

      wire tap him in hopes that he'd say some dumb, incriminating shit to people.

      Don't most members of Anonymous do that publicly, in the open, on 4chan.org?

    12. Re:Is this even a story? by kevinNCSU · · Score: 1

      i believe most of those disappearances of people in those other countries can be attributed to cia

      The only question is, what in the hell do they want all those old Alzheimer patients for.

    13. Re:Is this even a story? by bsDaemon · · Score: 1

      Yes, but a 'traditional' intercept on a definite person will carry more weight than 'we think this douche had the ip address that the logs on the server claims the post is from'

    14. Re:Is this even a story? by gordguide · · Score: 1

      People tend to assume things work elsewhere the same way they do locally or nationally. Reality is detention, arrest, being charged with an offence, and all the other aspects of due process vary widely, even amongst countries that are considered good examples of due process.

      I often hear or read about stories where, in the US, someone is "held for questioning" for a period of at least multiple days. I have to admit I have no idea what the practical legal details involve ... the point being it's not important to someone who lives elsewhere. Where I live, Police can't hold you any longer than, in practical terms, overnight, since they have to either lay a charge or release you by morning; there is no legal provision to hold someone any longer than is required to bring you before a judge ... Police cannot hold you without laying a charge; you can demand to be charged or released immediately at any point.

      But I would be foolish to think that same rule holds elsewhere. There are subtle differences in meaning from place to place when the news reports someone is being detained or charged, there are different rules regarding who can and cannot be held and for what reason, there are different rules of disclosure required.

      As for there being a public record of someone's arrest, I'm pretty sure that you will find Police almost anywhere are not required to say anything they don't want to say; what public disclosure is required will probably be based on habeas corpus; in other words the only mandatory public record might be the first appearance before a judge or justice and not before.

  5. sage sage by GhettoFabulous · · Score: 1

    sage

  6. Question? by Barrinmw · · Score: 1

    If I come out with a press release saying that "Us KKK members killed hundreds of black people." I wouldn't be arrested right? I mean, I am saying I am part of a group that committed murder but that isn't enough to arrest me right?

    1. Re:Question? by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 2

      Associating your name with authorship of a document describing illegal activity is probable cause, and yes it is enough to arrest (at least in US, apparently Greece) someone, but probably not enough on its own for a conviction.

    2. Re:Question? by entotre · · Score: 1

      Ask the oracle..

    3. Re:Question? by Barrinmw · · Score: 1

      Well I guess I better never say I want to be anonymous on the internet ever again...

    4. Re:Question? by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      If I come out with a press release saying that "Us KKK members killed hundreds of black people." I wouldn't be arrested right? I mean, I am saying I am part of a group that committed murder but that isn't enough to arrest me right?

      If the regular police didn't come after you for that, the grammar police might.

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    5. Re:Question? by Barrinmw · · Score: 1

      Mine grammar is bad upon thine ocular thing-a-ma-jigs.

    6. Re:Question? by ocdscouter · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, Mr. Ellison is on a boat right now. Would you like to be transferred to his voicemail?

    7. Re:Question? by kent_eh · · Score: 1

      If I come out with a press release saying that "Us KKK members killed hundreds of black people." I wouldn't be arrested right? I mean, I am saying I am part of a group that committed murder but that isn't enough to arrest me right?

      If the regular police didn't come after you for that, the grammar police might.

      Nah, the Grammar Police would know that his grammar is far too good for him to be a member of the KKK.

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    8. Re:Question? by mcvos · · Score: 1

      If I come out with a press release saying that "Us KKK members killed hundreds of black people." I wouldn't be arrested right?

      I believe the KKK is alright by US government/corporate standards. MasterCard/Visa still do business with them.

    9. Re:Question? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well I guess I better never say I want to be anonymous on the internet ever again...

      Me either.

    10. Re:Question? by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      Not south of the Mason-Dixon line anyway.

  7. For somebody who is "in" Anon.. by Stregano · · Score: 0

    He sure is not very anonymous. Come on now kid, if you are in a group that is attacking big name sites, are you honestly dumb enough to put your real name into software registration? I know you didn't pay for the software. Wait, he got arrested, so apparently he is that dumb.

    And people are getting all up in arms about the skiddies. That is too funny. Hey, you can get a group of 10,000 retards together and they can cause some havoc, but in the end, it is still a group of 10,000 retards

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    1. Re:For somebody who is "in" Anon.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is really more of a general thought that was spawned from reading the parent than a direct reply. But, I cannot really see this as a being it's own post.

      I thought the entire point of this "Anonymous" fad is that it's not actually a group, so much as a meme. It would be more akin a random group of people that happened to be talking at a random bar. Say, for instance, some guy who was just on the news walks in. That group may decide to buy the guy drinks, ignore him, or impede him, depending on the reaction to that knowledge. And, they do so more like individuals with collective ideals (albeit watching each other for signs of what is socially acceptable) rather than as some kind of mass conspiracy.

      In many ways, it mimics a pattern I've seen for decades regarding high level leadership and various other kinds of power brokers. They often act en-mass to protect and promote each other, despite acting on their own wills and individual self interests. It's been rather slick, too, in the end. Any mention of the possibility of a behavioral pattern brings out no shortage of loud mouth, opinionated morons that insinuate that because one suggests a pattern to the activity, that one must also be suggesting a conspiracy, and that there is not enough evidence to support a conspiracy, so one must assume incompetence. This is usually with the implication that because it's not a conspiracy, the immoral, unethical, or even outright criminal behavior cannot have been deliberate and/or is somehow acceptable. Most drivers in the US speed. Most people lie in uncomfortable social situations. Most people are dysfunctional under high levels of stress. It's not a conspiracy, morons.

      Why are such people morons? Well, you did say that if it's not a conspiracy that you are acting as a group with similar actions and goals, then it must be incompetence, am I right? Take a pick; save your ego: Your self imposed ignorance, or your view of your self as a sane, rational person

    2. Re:For somebody who is "in" Anon.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And people are getting all up in arms about the skiddies. That is too funny. Hey, you can get a group of 10,000 retards together and they can cause some havoc, but in the end, it is still a group of 10,000 retards

      So a 10,000 retards are doing more than you and being good at it. You might as well hang yourself while you're at it for being so pathetic.

    3. Re:For somebody who is "in" Anon.. by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      A single person walks into that bar and shouts 'I don't like [target], all who agree come help me form an angry mob.' When he leaves, many of the people follow him - some because they agree with the cause, some just because they like being in an angry mob. That is Anonymous.

    4. Re:For somebody who is "in" Anon.. by mcvos · · Score: 1

      I know you didn't pay for the software.

      Considering it was OpenOffice, I'm inclined to agree.

    5. Re:For somebody who is "in" Anon.. by Stregano · · Score: 1

      You know, that is cute. Let's talk trash while being Anon in /.

      Yeah, I may be a programmer, but I work for an NPO that helps with rehab programs all around the world, helps get non violent criminals back into society, helps the homeless.

      I am no skiddie hiding behind some other person's cause and thinking I am doing good to the world when all I am doing is running a script some other person wrote for me.

      I am personally doing everything in my power to make a difference in this world (and am very, very slowly succeeding). So when I hear people rapping on about how Anon is great and doing good things, it makes me need to go against that. If they want to make a real impact, fighting another person's war is not the answer. And some of the anon supporters I have talked to think that just because they are mindlessly following somebody's orders that they are somehow heroes to the internet. See, hopping into /. as Anon and then assuming I am doing nothing is a pretty big assumption. If you want me to post my work schedule for the next 2 months of what is all on my plate, I would be more than happy to show you that I am not kidding when I say I am doing alot of good for this world. No, I am not einstein of ghandi or anything like that, but I am definitely not some skiddie following some other person's cause. Here is a quick example: Today I was seriously working on a program to almost completely automate the process of homeless veterans of war getting funding from the government so that they can have a home to sleep in. Ok, person who wishes to remain Anon, what did you do today? Seriously, 1 day of work for me will make a bigger impact on society than the skiddies ever could. And trust me when I say I am not doing enough to make a difference. I should be doing more and am failing at that, but to sit here as Anon and tell me that some skiddies who ran some other dude's script to DDoS are doing more then me, well, when was the last time you posted on 4chan kid?

      When they truly make a difference in this world, I will give them credit where credit is due, but thus far, their most famous things they have done are DDos's. Being good at it? Really? I am pretty sure I can run a script that another person on the net gives me as well. That doesn't make me good for doing it.

      Also, if all of these people are anonymous, why is there some kid writing up a press release for these guys? Boredom? Maybe he thinks it is cool that he is a part of this stuff. Maybe he should not refer to the people he does stuff with as a group since they are all anonymous.

      Also, have you seen the movie Old School? Frank the Tank sound similar to the bar example, and look how many people a drunk idiot gets to follow him when he goes streaking. Now try that at any bar and see what happens. I am 28 years old and have been to many bars, and if you go in there shouting for people to join your cause, nobody will and you will be cut off from drinking for being the weird wasted guy.

      As for the guy that was on the news, let's say a group of people want to jump him in the parking lot. That group will not somehow magically not know each other and all up and randomly follow 1 guy who wants to fight him. This will be a group in the crowd that knows each other and even if it is one of the guys, since they know each other, they get each other's back and fight with them. Let me repeat, they would know each other.

      There were two bar examples that were really bad. Have you guys been to a bar before? Have you guys been a local at a bar before? I am sorry, but those examples were horrible.

      Here is my point: 10,000 retards can be directed very easily. Even if this kid got arrested, the reason for him being let go is so that they can go after the director. Whoever thinks these kids are not being directed is fooling themselves. Who wrote the program they all downloaded for the DDoS's? You telling me that they collectively thought a

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    6. Re:For somebody who is "in" Anon.. by Bucky24 · · Score: 1

      http://www.despair.com/idiocy.html

      "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups"

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    7. Re:For somebody who is "in" Anon.. by walshy007 · · Score: 1

      You are seriously going to sit there with a straight face and tell me that some 14 year old in the name of activism wrote a DDoS program to distribute so that he could get thousands of others to DDoS visa.com? Seriously, according to you, that is exactly what happened.

      why does it have to be a 14 year old, why not a 20 year old, 30 year old? you don't have to be a teenager to let these things loose for a cause you support.

      Hell if you were a 14 year old when 4chan first started getting popular you are well over 20 by now.

      Here is something that makes much more sense: a different person knew that he could herd the tards very simply since they were just filled with teen angst anyway, so he/she writes a DDoS program, distributes, and herds these 4chan kids into doing it. That way, no traces back to the original person, and they 100% get away with whatever they want while it is the thousands of skiddies doing it for him.

      You make it sound like this person is manipulating children to do his bidding instead of simply being with the cause themselves. If someone who agrees with some aspect of what anon is doing is a thirty-something programmer, is it manipulation if they were to just enable them to do what they were already going to?

    8. Re:For somebody who is "in" Anon.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      tl;dr. This is slashdot not your philosophy class. Glad to see you aren't just a basement dweller though. (I bothered reading the first three paragraphs/four sentences)

    9. Re:For somebody who is "in" Anon.. by Stregano · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I typed that after watching Indiana Jones where they were brainwashing kids.

      Ok, you are correct, it may not be just kids, but either way, it still stands that whoever is the driving force is doing a really good job. Why do you think in the other article about Scotland, they Scotland is having so much trouble getting these guys? If they wanted, they would snag somebody from the side and take them out, but they are not doing that.

      I just have a strange feeling that something else is going on and we are getting blinded by the anon aspect of it.

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    10. Re:For somebody who is "in" Anon.. by pxc · · Score: 1

      You are seriously going to sit there with a straight face and tell me that some 14 year old in the name of activism wrote a DDoS program to distribute so that he could get thousands of others to DDoS visa.com?

      http://www.sidedark-warez.pl/images/LOIC_instrukcja.png

      It kinda looks like it was made by a 14-year-old, at least in that screenshot.

      Jus' sayin'.

    11. Re:For somebody who is "in" Anon.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It kinda looks like it was made by a 14-year-old, at least in that screenshot.

      It's just a programmer who knows his target audience. Honestly. 4chan is not a serious place, ugly interfaces are the norm.

  8. Focus on the Drama, not the important cables. by notque · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The news media continues to focus on the drama surrounding Wikileaks and Anonymous instead of focusing on the cables.

    How many US new organizations reported on the Cable from Tegucigalpa detailing that the Honduras Coup was illegitimate? This was a big news story, and an important situation in Honduras that has immediate impact on understanding the Obama administration.

    It also shows that the Obama administration lied, and helped support the coup government by their actions.

    So.. who is covering it? And compare that to another article on the drama surrounding it.

    And that's just one cable. How many more will come out of great importance that everyone will ignore to instead focus on what Assange is doing.

    It's not Assange or Anons fault, it's the News doing it. But this is their out.

    This allows them to totally ignore the importance of the cables. And keep repeating that "nothing significant" is coming out.

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    1. Re:Focus on the Drama, not the important cables. by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 4, Interesting

      OK, all you did was find a cable from the U.S. Embassy in Honduras that reflects the position taken by the Obama Administration at the time that the Legislature and Supreme Court of Honduras got the Honduran Army to remove the President of Honduras (who just about everybody agrees was committing a crime defined by the Honduran Constitution at the time). It does not show that the Obama Administration lied or that it supported the "coup" government, since the Obama Administration opposed the coup government, even to the point of suggesting that they would not recognize the results of the previously scheduled election.

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    2. Re:Focus on the Drama, not the important cables. by booyabazooka · · Score: 3, Funny

      Stop mentioning these things, damnit, I'm not allowed to read about them! I'm just here for the drama.

    3. Re:Focus on the Drama, not the important cables. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The news media continues to focus on the drama surrounding Wikileaks and Anonymous instead of focusing on the cables.

      Well, yeah. Anonymous and wikileaks are sexy and interesting. Every cable I've read so far demonstrates that the American diplomats have a (very surprisingly) high level of competence approaching baseline or is about an American diplomat comparing Russia's Prime Minister to Batman.

      I mean, I can see why you went the hyperbole and a half route there -- "President of America supports coup" is much sexier than "American diplomats prove to have no involvement with coup, are not willing to militarily invade to restore prior government" as far as conspiracy theories go -- but the whole point of Wikileaks is to leak real information, not to write up your own. For that, you need Wikipedia.

    4. Re:Focus on the Drama, not the important cables. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably because the truth is that there wasn't much interesting in the cables. The US does horrible things in the world, but we know about these already. The real intrigue in international affairs comes from the less transparent governments (Russia, China).

    5. Re:Focus on the Drama, not the important cables. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yeah Honduras makes really great Coups like the Accord!

    6. Re:Focus on the Drama, not the important cables. by michaelmuffin · · Score: 1

      Just about everybody agrees [the then-President of Honduras] was committing a crime defined by the Honduran Constitution at the time.

      I'm glad that you've been monitoring Honduran public opinion so closely and that you're so familiar with the Honduran constitution. I however am not so savvy. I would appreciate it if you would provide evidence for your findings.

    7. Re:Focus on the Drama, not the important cables. by morkk · · Score: 1

      "The facts of life are conservative." Margaret Thatcher

      "Reality has a well-known liberal bias." Stephen Colbert

    8. Re:Focus on the Drama, not the important cables. by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      "The facts of life are conservative." Margaret Thatcher

      "Reality has a well-known liberal bias." Stephen Colbert

      Let's see, who should I give greater credit to: a woman who showed that she understood how the world works by teaming up with other world leaders to cause the collapse of the Soviet Union or a man who makes his living as a comedian? And, oh yeah, the comedian made his statement some 2 decades after she made hers.

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    9. Re:Focus on the Drama, not the important cables. by pjt33 · · Score: 1

      The two are hardly incompatible, because Thatcher is British, Colbert is American, and liberals in the U.S. are more conservative than conservatives in a lot of countries.

  9. Whoops by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Word processors that remember your name and fill in author metadata for you are sure helpful, aren't they?

    1. Re:Whoops by Thelasko · · Score: 1

      That's why there's Doc Scrubber.

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    2. Re:Whoops by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Word processors that remember your name and fill in author metadata for you are sure helpful, aren't they?

      That's why I always use suitably generic 'names' for those sorts of things, like:

      "Windows User" or "Apple User" or "MSOffice User"

      It satisfies the software (some of which absolutely insist that you give them something in order to use it) but if the 'name' ever leaks out it doesn't draw attention to itself and is yet totally generic.

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    3. Re:Whoops by hey! · · Score: 1

      Word processors that remember your name and fill in author metadata for you are sure helpful, aren't they?

      No they're not. If you doubt me, I'll forward you the memo. Check the metadata and you'll see that it's from the desk of God Almighty Himself.

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    4. Re:Whoops by richie2000 · · Score: 1

      I use "Bill Gates".

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    5. Re:Whoops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) Computer with word processing software, $1000.
      2) Filling in the username field with "Mega Penis" when you are 13, $lulz.
      3) Using the same software to write your college application, priceless.

    6. Re:Whoops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing is anonymous on the internet.

  10. Noose tightens on anon as the vigilantes gather by elucido · · Score: 0

    This situation is exactly the situation I warned about. I said cyber vigilantes would find these anonymous Wikileaks supporters. I also said cyber vigilantes from anonymous would find the anti wikileaks opponents. The anonymous crowd or not, hacked McDonald's and Gawker's 1.5 million user database complete with passwords which will surely be leveraged by hackers to dig into their lives.

    The cyberwar is going to be ugly as the victims mount up. It's vigilante group vs vigilante group and the only people we should feel for as the civilians in between. They don't deserve to be stalked merely for speaking out for or against Wikileaks. They don't deserve the gangstalking BS.

    What can be done to protect innocent civilians from the fallout?

    1. Re:Noose tightens on anon as the vigilantes gather by Mitchell314 · · Score: 1

      What can be done to protect innocent civilians from the fallout?

      Stay anonymous.

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    2. Re:Noose tightens on anon as the vigilantes gather by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      gangstalking does not exist, you are insane, take your meds

    3. Re:Noose tightens on anon as the vigilantes gather by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No person is innocent these days.

      Haven't you been paying attention?

  11. So stupidly retarded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, a name in a document led to an arrest?
    Confirmed for law: write the name of your enemies in a document threatening another persons life or business and you can get them arrested!

    Jesus, i hope it isn't serious, otherwise those people are terribly stupid.

  12. What could possibly be the charge? by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Is he charged with designing graphics? With sympathizing with an unsavory group? How the heck would that arrest warrant look? How is the creation of that document even something in the vicinity of a crime?

    1. Re:What could possibly be the charge? by Minwee · · Score: 5, Funny

      How is the creation of that document even something in the vicinity of a crime?

      He used the Comic Sans font.

    2. Re:What could possibly be the charge? by forkfail · · Score: 3

      He was also guilty of facecrime; that's what put the authorities on his trail in the first place...

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    3. Re:What could possibly be the charge? by jpapon · · Score: 1
      Are denial of service "attacks" even a crime? If I get a few thousand of my friends to drive down a road at a particular time to create a traffic jam, is that a crime?

      I'm really asking...

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    4. Re:What could possibly be the charge? by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 1

      It's an interesting question that might be unsettled in some jurisdictions. About the intentionally-caused traffic jam, I bet that would be a crime in the US, but I don't know the law well enough to know what the exact charge would be. But in any case, there is no indication that authorities have any evidence that this guy did any denial of service attacks. It sounds to me like they're intimidating him into snitching on others. I don't see why else they would mess with him. No court in a first world country would convict a guy for writing a press release... I would hope!

    5. Re:What could possibly be the charge? by Hatta · · Score: 1

      It doesn't have to be a crime to cause the chilling effects the authorities are looking for.

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    6. Re:What could possibly be the charge? by Pharmboy · · Score: 1

      Are denial of service "attacks" even a crime?

      I hope so. If not, what would stop your competitor from simply swamping your ecommerce servers with garbage to hurt your sales and presumably improve their own? How is a DDOS any different than blocking the entrance to a brick and mortar business to prevent customers from entering? In both cases, you are simply jamming up entry to a place of commerce to prevent the company from doing regular business. Should Coca Cola Corporation be allowed to constantly attack Pepsi's website and prevent customers from reaching it? I'm using commerce as an example because it is most obvious, but even a blog has as much right of expression as a corporation. So far.

      There are appropriate times to break the law, to make a political point, and I'm all for the appropriate use of civil disobedience, but I'm not so convinced that what Anonymous is doing is all that helpful.

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    7. Re:What could possibly be the charge? by JonySuede · · Score: 1

      Yes it is, but based on the evidence presented, this guy is at worst only guilty of writing a press release for a group that don't really exist

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    8. Re:What could possibly be the charge? by mcvos · · Score: 1

      Are denial of service "attacks" even a crime?

      And interesting article in my newspaper today claimed that it shouldn't be. It should be protected as the right to protest. You don't protest in your own back yard, you protest in front of the door of whoever you're protesting against.

    9. Re:What could possibly be the charge? by I+cant+believe+its+n · · Score: 1

      He used the Comic Sans font.

      Crimes against the Humanities.

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    10. Re:What could possibly be the charge? by aliquis · · Score: 1

      He used the Comic Sans font.

      That's not a crime south of Berlin.

    11. Re:What could possibly be the charge? by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      Is he charged with designing graphics? With sympathizing with an unsavory group? How the heck would that arrest warrant look? How is the creation of that document even something in the vicinity of a crime?

      He's not talking, so we don't know, But his name on the document might to be enough to get a search warrant, and perhaps that search turned up further evidence.

    12. Re:What could possibly be the charge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously? How about incitement to crime? DDoSing is a crime.

    13. Re:What could possibly be the charge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That should teach Anonymous to use tor/freenet/i2p for communication and always encrypt HDD :-)

    14. Re:What could possibly be the charge? by dgr73 · · Score: 1
      The same way having sex with a willing female is a crime in sweden.

      In Finland we have a long running joke about all swedes being gay.. I now see why they would be.

  13. Arrest isn't the worst possibility by elucido · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The worst possibility is to be stalked by legions of anti-wikileaks vigilantes.

    This guys life may very well be ruined over this as now he's going to face the Greek version of COINTELPRO. Read about operation Gladio.

    And because he's Greek the CIA, NSA and US Military can use full force on him. They don't even have to pretend to respect his human rights or civil rights like they would if he were an American. Extrajudicial justice from the vigilantes will be what he could face just by having associated himself with this sort of manifesto.

    It's like having signed your name to the US Constitution or Communist Manifesto and somehow it leaks out and now they all know who you are and where you live.

    1. Re:Arrest isn't the worst possibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's like having signed your name to the US Constitution or Communist Manifesto and somehow it leaks out and now they all know who you are and where you live.

      Yay! Another leak! Transparency! Celebration!

    2. Re:Arrest isn't the worst possibility by kevinNCSU · · Score: 1
      Emphasis Mine

      It's like having signed your name to the US Constitution or Communist Manifesto and somehow it leaks out and now they all know who you are

      God help me when I figure out where that George Washington guy lives!

      But in all seriousness, you do realize the US Constitution was written by a Convention years after the Revolutionary war in free states after the first government didn't work right? And if you meant the deceleration of Independence they DID sign their names to the document, then read and distributed it to the public, and then crown servants mailed that motherfucker right to the King. One of their famous quotes is along the lines of "We must, indeed, all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately." The point being if you believe in something you should be willing to stand up and put your name on it because when you do other people take notice and are willing to stand beside you. They knew they could all be hung as traitors when they did that, but they decided it was worth the risk. That's kinda the exact opposite of Anonymous tactics

  14. That's a hell of a citation! by TheSpoom · · Score: 1

    When someone is arrested, isn't there a public record of it? Why not call the local police to verify instead of calling the guy directly?

    Oh, they have their sources.

    A bloke named Alex Tapanaris, whose name appeared on the PDF press release circulated by online trouble-makers Anonymous has had his web site disappeared from the web and, according to a post on pastebin.com, the unfortunate chap has been arrested.

    Everyone knows that pastebin is irrefutable.

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  15. Guilt by assosciation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It could very well be that he made the info site about anonymous without having participated in the attacks against banks, etc... Just because he in some way assosciates himself with the anonymous, some of whom do occasional crimes, doesn't really prove that he is a criminal... But well, I'm interested to see how this one turns out.

    1. Re:Guilt by assosciation? by icebike · · Score: 1

      It may be proof enough for Turkey.

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  16. Oblig. XKCD by Weaselmancer · · Score: 4, Funny

    And it's even today's comic:

    XKCD 834.

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    1. Re:Oblig. XKCD by locallyunscene · · Score: 4, Informative

      That alt-text is win.

    2. Re:Oblig. XKCD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's good, but I think *this* XKCD is more pertinent.

    3. Re:Oblig. XKCD by cinderellamanson · · Score: 0

      yes, yes it is.

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    4. Re:Oblig. XKCD by mysidia · · Score: 2

      Hm... the folks at XKCD need to come up with a comic about obligatory XKCD and arguments on Slashdot about which XKCD comic is most applicable to the situation :)

    5. Re:Oblig. XKCD by game+kid · · Score: 1

      [pedantry]The title is win. The alt text is just "Wikileaks".[/pedantry]*

      ...but yeah I agree. (I'd say something here about technology vs. usage thereof and bombardment with snail-mail letters and getting off lawns, but someone will mention sex as an exception and what-not and combined with the mailman and the old guy with the lawn it'll just sound creepy.)

      *Maybe I should blame IE for this minor confusion, for showing image alts in older versions as they would show titles (as tool-/info-tips). My life is too short though.

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    6. Re:Oblig. XKCD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm interested in your ideas of using sex as an analogy for denial of service.

    7. Re:Oblig. XKCD by bilbobob · · Score: 1

      And it's even today's comic:

      XKCD 834.

      Damn, an hour wasted clicking the Random button on this site!

    8. Re:Oblig. XKCD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought that was what this was about?

  17. Proof Positive by frovingslosh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Clicking on the document's properties revealed Tapanaris as its named author

    Well that settles it then, because these computer people would never figure out that you could put the name of someone that you don't like in a document like this and cause them problems too while you are doing your original mischief.

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    1. Re:Proof Positive by mark72005 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sounds like an elite group of hackers.

    2. Re:Proof Positive by arivanov · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Especially considering the fact that Tapanaris means more or less "Thick as a Brick" in more than one language in countries neighbouring Greece to the north.

      This smacks of a rather unintentional Bulgarian or Serbian practical joke. Whoever did it did not expect that there may be a real person whose name in Bulgarian or Serbian translates more or less as "Alex The Village Idiot". The most hilarious case of mistaken identity I have heard of for a long time (for everyone but the poor greek).

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    3. Re:Proof Positive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      All I can say is, if I had created such a PDF, which I didn't, and wouldn't...but if I were to do something like this, you know, hypothetically speaking, the properties of the PDF would show the author as someone I didn't like and its origination online would be from an IP address plausibly linked to that person.

    4. Re:Proof Positive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hackers on steroids.

    5. Re:Proof Positive by Applekid · · Score: 1

      Without looking at the PDF, if I thought to check out the Author metadata, I would have expected to see Eric "eBaum" Bauman instead, considering it IS Anonymous, after all.

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    6. Re:Proof Positive by MPAB · · Score: 1

      You mean it's really Jethro Tull's Ian Anderson in disguise?

    7. Re:Proof Positive by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      You don't have to be good.

      Just better than your adversary.

      And considering who they're up against ...

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    8. Re:Proof Positive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes, but it gives the authorities there just cause to search his shit, which means if it is him he's more likely to get caught.

    9. Re:Proof Positive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nevermind a quick google search reveals his old email address and username were t4pan which happens to be linkable to....wait for it....4chan...

      A complete joe job no doubt.

    10. Re:Proof Positive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a lovely defense, until someone uses the information to establish reasonable suspicion and raid your home, where incriminating evidence is found that it was actually you who was doing mischief.

      I'm not saying that that is what happened, but Anonymous asked people to install software to participate in DDoS attacks, which are illegal pretty much everywhere, without any form of obfuscation or spoofing. It would not surprise me at all if these people overlooked the meta-data trap. Real hackers use plain text files or construct PDF files by hand.

    11. Re:Proof Positive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But how do they match against hackers on steroids?

    12. Re:Proof Positive by spun · · Score: 2

      I think something like "Tapinthatass" would be more Anonymous style as a fake name.

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    13. Re:Proof Positive by StikyPad · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence.

    14. Re:Proof Positive by DrXym · · Score: 1

      That's always a possibility. A far more likely possibility is that Mr Tapanaris along with many other Anonymous members isn't as computer savvy or as anonymous as they think. I expect Amazon, Visa et al have a nice long list of IPs that were involved in their respective DDOS attacks and that quite a few criminal complaints will fall out of the attack.

    15. Re:Proof Positive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But how do they match against hackers on steroids?

      Well these guys don't actually hack anything being just a pain in the butt.

      I guess that makes them hackers on hemorrhoids. Sorry to burst your... bubble.

    16. Re:Proof Positive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Redicating with Confidence

      http://www.nsa.gov/ia/_files/support/I733-028R-2008.pdf

    17. Re:Proof Positive by arth1 · · Score: 1

      The named person has ties to 4chan.
      The named person says "no comment".
      Someone who isn't familiar with the document format in question might not know that the name is stored as part of the document.

      William of Ockham tells me that before pursuing more complex options like conspiracies, we should first examine the easiest solution, that this guy really is the author.

    18. Re:Proof Positive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This smacks of a rather unintentional Bulgarian or Serbian practical joke.

      Actually it rather smacks of BS. He's arrested -- for what exactly? -- he's at home answering his phone. TFA doesn't exactly inspire confidence "according to a post on pastebin.com, the unfortunate chap has been arrested."

    19. Re:Proof Positive by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      that comment needs a Horatio and a YEEAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!

    20. Re:Proof Positive by arndawg · · Score: 1

      In that case. You better get a dog!

    21. Re:Proof Positive by AshtangiMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If it was him wouldn't he have put "not A. Tapanaris" in the author property to throw the authorities off his trail?

    22. Re:Proof Positive by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      I would have put "admin!admin"

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    23. Re:Proof Positive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmmm, nope. He contacted one of the greek newspapers on december 12th

      google translate:
      http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=el&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.enet.gr%2F%3Fi%3Dnews.el.episthmh-texnologia%26id%3D232647

      original greek:
      http://www.enet.gr/?i=news.el.episthmh-texnologia&id=232647

      Hope the guy is ok, since authoring a document is not a crime under greek law.

    24. Re:Proof Positive by velja27 · · Score: 1

      Tapanaris does not translate, at least in Serbian it doesn't and i'm sure 100%, into anything that you described. And for Bulgarian i'm not sure but i think it's also not likely. I don't know how are you able to postulate such a thing based solely on misconception how these languages sound like, and more importantly how are practical jokes done over here. It of course may be possible that this is a converged word, that is to say that only first few letters of few words were pulled out and then combined to make a sound word. If it were up to me it sounds more like Greek then anything else.

    25. Re:Proof Positive by arivanov · · Score: 1

      Bulgarian (transliterated into latin alphabet because Slashdot eats non-latin characters):

      Tap: 1. blunt; 2. stupid, thick person (form of insult)
      Tapanar: 1. Very stupid person

      You add "is" and make it sound like greek.

      Macedonian is definitely the same. It is just a dialect of Bulgarian, regardless of what Macedonian nationalists proclaim. I am not fluent in Serbian, but IIRC tap is tap in all balkan languages.

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    26. Re:Proof Positive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Especially considering the fact that Tapanaris means more or less "Thick as a Brick" in more than one language in countries neighbouring Greece to the north.

      This smacks of a rather unintentional Bulgarian or Serbian practical joke. Whoever did it did not expect that there may be a real person whose name in Bulgarian or Serbian translates more or less as "Alex The Village Idiot". The most hilarious case of mistaken identity I have heard of for a long time (for everyone but the poor greek).

      Don't know for Bulgarian, but Tapanaris means absolutely nothing in Serbian.

    27. Re:Proof Positive by zombie_monkey · · Score: 1

      Nope, Tapanaris it's definitely the name a Bulgarian would come up with if he wants to make up a Greek /sounding/ name for a stupid person (it's somewhat similar to the Biggus Dickus thing in History of the World).

    28. Re:Proof Positive by zombie_monkey · · Score: 1

      I always thought tapanar is an insult more becuase the tapan (whose name does derive from tap) is percieved as a really simple instrument to play.

  18. He had his website "disappeared?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He had his website "disappeared?" Really? Who is editing these summaries? A chimp with Down's Syndrome?

    1. Re:He had his website "disappeared?" by localman57 · · Score: 2

      "disappeared" as a verb is a reference to the book 1984, where people the government doesn't like are abducted and then all traces of them are removed from past media.

    2. Re:He had his website "disappeared?" by localman57 · · Score: 1

      Since someone will correct me, let me do it myself. That is to say using the the verb "disappeared" with a direct object. It was already a verb...

    3. Re:He had his website "disappeared?" by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      The USSR did the same thing in reality - political undesireables were not only pushed away from power, but their past involvement never acknowledged, even to the point of manipulating photos (Via the old, pre-photoshop methods) to excise them.

  19. He better be spooked. by elucido · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The government vigilantes mean business and are completely ruthless. He just got outed as being a member of anonymous, this is like being outed as a communist back during the anti-communist era.

    At this point counter intelligence agencies are going to run his name through their national security databases. Then they'll find out what they can use against him, or what they can use to entrap and or destroy him. Then they'll give that information to the anti-wikileaks vigilantes

    You can bet on that.

    Why will they go after him? To get the names and identities of the others.

    1. Re:He better be spooked. by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2

      He just got outed as being a member of anonymous, this is like being outed as a communist back during the anti-communist era.

      No, it's not like that. It's not nearly like that.

      The threat of Communism, as marketed in the 50s and 60s, was a threat of total war, global annihilation, prison camps, and pure evil.

      In terms of public opinion and likeliness of vigilantism: Anonymous is a gnat compared to the velociraptor of Communism.

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      "Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
  20. Smoking gun by Hogwash+McFly · · Score: 1

    So if an arrest has been made on the basis of software user registration details, surely the appropriate response is to start flooding the Internet with questionable documents (kitty porn, bomb-making instructions etc.), all in the name of a specific celebrity target?

    --
    Mother, do you think they'll like this sig?
    1. Re:Smoking gun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      kitty porn

      you sick bastard

  21. This is how you radicalize a generation by Magada · · Score: 2

    That (as they say) is all.

    --
    Something bad is coming when people are suddenly anxious to tell the truth.
    1. Re:This is how you radicalize a generation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny comment, so obviously a joke but still with a hint that you actually mean it.

  22. How? Hack into someones WIFI network? by elucido · · Score: 1

    Because if you use your computer you wont be anonymous. If you use the library computer then you are on camera and not anonymous. If you use an internet cafe they'll ask who was on the computer at that time and so you aren't anonymous.

    It's a lot harder to be anonymous than you might have thought. It's not impossible but it's not something a 16 year old hacker can do from their living room or a 40 year old hacker can do from his parents basement. It's something a sophisticated Russia or Chinese state sponsored hacker could do, or an experienced amateur hacker could do.

    1. Re:How? Hack into someones WIFI network? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wardriving is fairly anonymous and there's no shortage of unprotected WIFI these days. You spoof your MAC address and there is little left to identify you by.

    2. Re:How? Hack into someones WIFI network? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wardriving is fairly anonymous and there's no shortage of unprotected WIFI these days. You spoof your MAC address and there is little left to identify you by.

      Valid, but wardriving is not the same as jacking wifi. (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wardriving#Confusion_with_piggybacking) Even when using someone else's wifi, it's still possible for someone to ID you by looking at things like the user-agent string, cookies, home page, and even browsing habits. And if you forget about the email client running in the background, you're screwed the second it checks your inbox for new messages. The point is, even "borrowed" wifi is not guaranteed anonymity. There are still plenty of ways to screw up.

    3. Re:How? Hack into someones WIFI network? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can use an unsecured wireless connection available at some fast food restaurants. There was a decent Arby's one available near a place I used to live. You could just drive up and use it from the parking lot. There's options.

  23. FAIL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A Tapanaris

    Anonymous FAIL

  24. He's charged with supporting Wikileaks. by elucido · · Score: 0

    And the punishment is lifetime COINTELPRO.

    Counter intelligence agencies certainly want to know who he is and how to destroy him. They probably also want to know who and what he knows.

  25. Media Doesn't Get It by cosm · · Score: 4, Informative

    Slashdotters,

    Here is a case-in-point (rather old) showing that mainstream US media just doesn't get it. Anonomous and Lulz


    U.S. Media,

    Anonymous is not a secret hacker organization. It is the literal definition of the word. It is not a proper noun. It is just individuals acting without large-scale coordination, all pissed off for their own reasons, acting in semi-cohesion, and participating in groupthink. It is people either trolling for lulz, or lulzing for lulzing.

    People downloading music are like anonymous. There is not a collective group organizing the individual downloaders. They just do it. The people "at the other end of the stick" view it as us against "them", and to have a proper OMGSCANDAL, you need a perpetrator, so they made one. And if they didn't cognitively make one for the purposes of degrading freedom on the internet, then it's more lulz for us and more idiot points for you.

    Sincererely

    The Lulz.

    --
    'We are trying to prove ourselves wrong as quickly as possible, because only in that way can we find progress.' RPF
    1. Re:Media Doesn't Get It by alvinrod · · Score: 2

      Individual participation in something like this hasn't existed on a big stage since the Athenians. Is it really shocking that the establishment doesn't seem to grok it? This is something that doesn't clearly fit into the D or R bags so no one really has a damned a clue what exactly to do with it. The party mentality permeates every aspect of their thinking. It's no wonder that they try to label it as just another group.

    2. Re:Media Doesn't Get It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Lulz.

      Namefag! :P

    3. Re:Media Doesn't Get It by sourcerror · · Score: 1

      You know too much about Anonymous and used their calling word, "lulz". Just like Tapanaris. Now you can expect the partyvan.

    4. Re:Media Doesn't Get It by zarzu · · Score: 1

      Considering that even the Slashdot summaries (and many comments) refer to anonymous as a group, you can't really blame the mainstream media for doing so. I think we all have the urge to personify everything. We're not much interested in anonymous doing something. But if it's that headless dude in the suite, you know: Anonymous, it's much more interesting.

    5. Re:Media Doesn't Get It by Jahava · · Score: 2

      Slashdotters,

      Anonymous is not a secret hacker organization. It is the literal definition of the word. It is not a proper noun. It is just individuals acting without large-scale coordination, all pissed off for their own reasons, acting in semi-cohesion, and participating in groupthink. It is people either trolling for lulz, or lulzing for lulzing.

      People downloading music are like anonymous. There is not a collective group organizing the individual downloaders. They just do it. The people "at the other end of the stick" view it as us against "them", and to have a proper OMGSCANDAL, you need a perpetrator, so they made one. And if they didn't cognitively make one for the purposes of degrading freedom on the internet, then it's more lulz for us and more idiot points for you.

      I'm not so sure of this. Long-term members or not, the term "Anonymous" is being used by the media to refer to the collective group of individuals who (anonymously) participate, at any given point in time, in attacks claimed under the pseudonym. To claim that "Anonymous" is not an organization is disingenuous. They have a website, a common cause, and some degree of leadership involved in coordination. Just because leadership, members, and activities are impromptu and decentralized doesn't mean that the tag is invalid. It refers to exactly what it should refer to: the coordinated goals, members, and efforts, however temporal, of people who rally under that banner. And hey, if it's informal, it's as good a name as any.

      People on the other end don't just view it as "them". They, including news agencies, generally know exactly what "Anonymous" refers to. If someone posts a sign in the dead of night calling for a rally, the collective group of people who join the rally, despite a lack of formal affiliation and leadership, can rightfully be referred to as "those guys who rallied" or "the rallyers". In this case, rather than "the Wikileaks DDoSers", participants have chosen anonymity and the pseudonym "Anonymous" as an identity, and the press is well within its rights to follow suit. Furthermore, just like any organization, there is leadership, however, informal. Someone makes the software, someone rallies participation, someone fans the flames of anger, someone chooses the target, and someone keeps the weapon honed and pointed in a meaningful direction. Just because these individuals are not defined, known, or consistent doesn't make them any less real. Those operating as "anonymous" are a full-fledged structured organization at any given point in time.

      There are differing levels of legal culpability. I feel sorry for those who don't understand that their willing participation in the DDoS is being logged and likely will be used against them. DDoS, by its very nature, is not something that can be anonymous. If you filter it through a proxy or anonymizing network, your offensive capability is constrained by that of the network. To be effective against any serious target, the DDoS must be direct, which means that your anonymity is completely forfeit (these obvious facts pointed out very vividly in a previous Slashdot article). The packets are traceable, there are permanent records, and you will be prosecuted. This isn't a revolution of the people, where, ultimately, citizens can rely on the fact that one's government cannot (generally) kill or arrest a majority and remain functional. There is no implicit safety, and there are no hard limits to prosecution. You're vandalizing a sign by writing your name and address on it.

    6. Re:Media Doesn't Get It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... used their calling word ... Now you can expect the partyvan.

      So can you. Yours, AC

    7. Re:Media Doesn't Get It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Governments are likely afraid, because Anonymous has potential to become something bigger than government. Something that can affect world society and it's willingness to participate in the established scheme. Manipulation will be seen as trolling, and become difficult. Right now it's somewhat at the infant stage, yet with the pervasiveness of internet and related technology it only has room to grow. In a way not only can it be compared to a hivemind or collective, but also a form of ultimate democracy. Because everybody is anonymous when they participate within Anonymous, one cannot use one's own reputation or status to garner support from the group. There is no power to leverage when starting something. So only the ideas themselves as presented before the group are weighed on their own merits and upon the interests of others within the group. Any resulting economics and IRL actions are all voluntary.

      Also the group supports complete freedom of information, because knowledge is power, and because people cannot judge properly when not knowing all the details. By making information free, the people have the power. (This breaks the game (or creates a "new" one) by giving away all the cheats and exploits. For great justice!) Oh, and because when something gets out that makes somebody look like pedobear, fail, or anhero, it's also lulzy. (And if people seriously don't want that kind of shit getting out, how about not fucking doing it in the first place?! Ok?)

    8. Re:Media Doesn't Get It by DrXym · · Score: 1
      Individual participation in something like this hasn't existed on a big stage since the Athenians. Is it really shocking that the establishment doesn't seem to grok it? This is something that doesn't clearly fit into the D or R bags so no one really has a damned a clue what exactly to do with it. The party mentality permeates every aspect of their thinking. It's no wonder that they try to label it as just another group.

      Not true. Lots of countries have referendums on important issues (e.g. constitutional changes) and most countries including the US have elected officials all the way from local to government level. Switzerland even implements direct democracy where just about every measure in law can be struck out by a referendum. All you need is to gather 50,000 signatures and you can repeal a law through referendum (assuming you win).

      Personally I think the Swiss model demonstrates that direct democracy does not necessarily mean a free and open society - Switzerland is notorious for some of the bureaucratic and petty laws it has. But it does demonstrate a working model where virtually anyone can change laws (and even enact them at a local level) if they have enough support.

      Regardless, there is a different between participation in the democratic process and what 4chan / Anonymous is doing. They are unaccountable, unnamed mass of people who are performing illegal acts as a form of protest (or more likely just for lulz). It's not the same thing at all.

  26. Game over for anon. by elucido · · Score: 1

    Authorities know who they are and are using this guy to prove a point.

    1. Re:Game over for anon. by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      The only point authorities are proving is they don't know what they are doing. Even with the fully explained PDF, that details in the writers opinion that Anonymous is not a group, there is no hierarchy and people can pursue any 'idea' they choose to or not, when espoused by the 'Anonymous' marketing meme and that even if they follow one particular idea at one time, in no way does it imply they pursue all ideas as espoused by the 'Anonymous' marketing meme.

      The arrest shows a huge amount of ignorance by law enforcement. To arrest someone for being a member of 'Anonymous' is really, really dumb. About the only thing the writer is guilty of is the excessive and abusive use of the royal 'We'. By definition any member of Anonymous is the sole member of an organisation of one, as all other members are members unto themselves, either choosing to follow in their own desired fashion or ignore any particular 'Anonymous' marketing meme call for action.

      All that cab be said about 'Anonymous' is membership is utterly non-exclusionary as every one is both a member and a non-member simultaneously.

      This in no way shape or form is to be considered a press release on behalf of 'Anonymous' so you professional paranoid types can bugger off, simply a discussion on the sociological nature of 'Anonymous'.

      --
      Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
  27. He will be considered a subversive. by elucido · · Score: 1

    Subversive revolutionaries are usually mistreated by the authorities in any country. Governments hate subversives.

    1. Re:He will be considered a subversive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Subversive revolutionaries are usually mistreated by the authorities in any country. Governments hate subversives.

      Or he could just be an asshole. Should we make every asshole we meet into an instant messiah/martyr? Could it be this is why nobody takes your wannabe-revolutionary screeds seriously?

    2. Re:He will be considered a subversive. by c6gunner · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Subversive revolutionaries are usually mistreated by the authorities in any country. Governments hate subversives.

      With good reason. The goal of "subversive revolutionaries" is to create chaos and destruction, in order to make the government appear weak and ineffective. To say that "governments hate subversive revolutionaries" is no more poignant than to say that teachers hate the kid at the back of the class who keeps putting tacks on their seats and shooting spitballs at them when their backs are turned.

      As for the public in general, the problem with "subversive revolutionaries" is that they're usually no better - and sometimes far worse - than the regimes which they seek to depose, and that - even in the cases where the previous does not hold true - the act of overthrowing an entire government often leads to far more death and misery than was present under the existing system. Cuba is an excellent case-study; the government of Fulgencio Batista was corrupt and oppressive, but his overthrow lead to thousands of deaths and hundreds of thousands of deportations, while resulting in a government which was even more corrupt, oppressive, and ruthless. Batista had every reason to hate Castro and Guevara, and Cuba would arguably have been far better off had they not succeeded.

    3. Re:He will be considered a subversive. by Venzor · · Score: 1

      the act of overthrowing an entire government often leads to far more death and misery than was present under the existing system.

      Not that I disagree with your point, but I must point out a fallacy: by this logic, you'd choose life as a slave instead of fighting for your freedom.

      --
      If someone is wrong, don't insult; Educate.
    4. Re:He will be considered a subversive. by elucido · · Score: 2

      the act of overthrowing an entire government often leads to far more death and misery than was present under the existing system.

      Not that I disagree with your point, but I must point out a fallacy: by this logic, you'd choose life as a slave instead of fighting for your freedom.

      What makes you think the revolutionaries will give you freedom when the revolution is over? It just might mean they'll be your new slave master or worse they could give you death.

    5. Re:He will be considered a subversive. by c6gunner · · Score: 2

      Not that I disagree with your point, but I must point out a fallacy: by this logic, you'd choose life as a slave instead of fighting for your freedom.

      "elucido" provided a decent response, but it's not the one I would have gone with. You made the mistake of inferring that I was giving a reason to never overthrow any government, under any circumstances. I wasn't. I was merely pointing out the costs associated with such acts - something which must always be considered prior to deciding on a course of action.

      Also, it's worth noting that I certainly would chose life as a slave if resistance was pointless and it meant my children would have a better shot at freedom. Blacks in the US could surely have chosen violent revolution, and lost hundreds of thousands of lives on the small chance that they might defeat the white population; instead they chose cooperation and measured defiance, resulting in a progression which eventually lead to complete freedom for their descendants. Later in the process groups like the Black Panthers chose to take a more militant approach; those actions, while initially productive, gained them no new freedoms and ultimately only made the situation worse for people on all sides of the issue. Choosing when and how to fight is not the simple dichotomy that you're making it out to be.

    6. Re:He will be considered a subversive. by nbauman · · Score: 1

      Blacks in the US could surely have chosen violent revolution, and lost hundreds of thousands of lives on the small chance that they might defeat the white population; instead they chose cooperation and measured defiance, resulting in a progression which eventually lead to complete freedom for their descendants.

      So you think blacks in the US will eventually have complete freedom some day?

    7. Re:He will be considered a subversive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, just not before the rest of us.

    8. Re:He will be considered a subversive. by Yetihehe · · Score: 1

      the act of overthrowing an entire government often leads to far more death and misery than was present under the existing system.

      Not that I disagree with your point, but I must point out a fallacy: by this logic, you'd choose life as a slave instead of fighting for your freedom.

      What makes you think the revolutionaries will give you freedom when the revolution is over? It just might mean they'll be your new slave master or worse they could give you death.

      Not that I disagree with your point, but I must point out a fallacy: by this logic, you'd choose life as a slave instead of fighting for your freedom.

      --
      Extreme Programming - Redundant Array of Inexpensive Developers
    9. Re:He will be considered a subversive. by elucido · · Score: 1

      the act of overthrowing an entire government often leads to far more death and misery than was present under the existing system.

      Not that I disagree with your point, but I must point out a fallacy: by this logic, you'd choose life as a slave instead of fighting for your freedom.

      What makes you think the revolutionaries will give you freedom when the revolution is over? It just might mean they'll be your new slave master or worse they could give you death.

      Not that I disagree with your point, but I must point out a fallacy: by this logic, you'd choose life as a slave instead of fighting for your freedom.

      It all would depend on whether or not my position in society would be higher after the revolution.

  28. This isn't news this is Gossip. by medv4380 · · Score: 2

    Do you even know what you are talking about? What part of Coup do you think people don't understand? What happened in Honduras was a Coup and everyone knew that long before the Cables came out. All the cables expose is some diplomats opinion of how Honduras should have delt with the Coup. Like the crew that just took over the ship is going to have a trial about how that was not legal. Since when is a Coup legal? Who cares that behind closed doors our diplomats were cursing up a storm. In the end their job is to work with who ever is in charge. We have the choice of withdrawing from the world and saying what we really think of dictators to their faces or we can play in the world and talk behind their backs as long as we don't say it directly to their faces.
    This isn't news this is Gossip!

    1. Re:This isn't news this is Gossip. by makomk · · Score: 2

      Everyone knew it was a coup, but if the US State Department had admitted it, certain funding they were providing to Honduras would've become illegal under US law - so they avoided admitting the obvious as long as possible. The leaked cables just prove that they knew their public position was bullshit.

    2. Re:This isn't news this is Gossip. by easyTree · · Score: 1

      Even though they're a bunch of slimy spin-merchants, surely the lizards within US government would just love to speak the truth publicly:

        "Look, here's how it is people; we're gonna do whatever the fuck we want to to ensure that our interests are protected at the expense of everyone else's. If you think you're not gonna play ball, we're gonna send covert death-squads to convince you then all have a laugh as we put the blame on some rough terrorist organisation which, truth be told, we actually created, trained and funded for quite some time.

      Hey, if you really piss us off we're gonna bring you democracy and unleash deranged farmboys in attack helicopters on yo ass.

      For the next round of laughs, the media are gonna run whatever mickey-mouse-bullshit story we tell them to whilst you bunch of retards sit around watching american idol.

      Suck it up. You lose, we win - AMERIKKKA!!
      "

      or something similar?

  29. No, you've missed the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Anonymous knows that it isn't a collection of geniuses. What it does know is that it has the power of a mob. Arrest one person in a mob? You still have a mob.

    They know that some of them are going to get busted. See party van for clarification.

    1. Re:No, you've missed the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Anonymous knows that it isn't a collection of geniuses. What it does know is that it has the power of a mob. Arrest one person in a mob? You still have a mob.

      They know that some of them are going to get busted. See party van for clarification.

      It will be like Al Qaeda, only the dumb assess join up now and manage to burn off their penises or blow themselves up prematurely before getting to their target. Those with half a brain will not find this fight worth the risk.

    2. Re:No, you've missed the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Arrest a couple people in a mob. Throw a couple of tear gas bombs. Pull out the guns that shoot those rubber bullets. Mob runs; it is gone. No more mob.

    3. Re:No, you've missed the point by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      For now.

      The problem of a mob is that you have to remove the reason for it. Else you can only disperse it for a while. It will reform, reassemble and then you're dealing with a pissed mob that not only had its original reason to hate you but also the fact that you tear gassed it and shot it with rubber pellets.

      Essentially, all you accomplish, unless you manage to remove the mob's reason to exist, is that you turn the few more or less peaceful guys in the mob into really pissed guys.

      You also do not have to "give in" to the mob. You just have to make sure that there ain't enough people pissed enough to reach critical mass.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    4. Re:No, you've missed the point by spun · · Score: 2

      You also do not have to "give in" to the mob. You just have to make sure that there ain't enough people pissed enough to reach critical mass.

      This is the reason we have a middle class, rather than just serfs and masters, but the masters seem to have forgotten this fact and appear to be actively working towards the elimination of the one thing keeping the people from rising up and slaughtering them. They seem to have forgotten the real reason for noblesse oblige, which is basically that we will kill you if you push us too far.

      --
      - None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
    5. Re:No, you've missed the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That doesn't work in the US though. Here we kill a few, increase the illegal drug distro, and put on an exciting new reality show. Problem solved for years.

      If the bankers had done what they did in most other countries, heads would roll. Here we post angry messages until something shiny distracts us. Our attack on the messenger rather than the messages are further proof.

    6. Re:No, you've missed the point by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      For now.

      The problem of a mob is that you have to remove the reason for it. Else you can only disperse it for a while. It will reform, reassemble and then you're dealing with a pissed mob that not only had its original reason to hate you but also the fact that you tear gassed it and shot it with rubber pellets.

      Essentially, all you accomplish, unless you manage to remove the mob's reason to exist, is that you turn the few more or less peaceful guys in the mob into really pissed guys.

      Well, no. The most effective way to deal with a mob is to kill every last one of them. Failing that, put every last one of them in jail. Looks like governments are (fortunately) using the second approach.

      --
      I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
    7. Re:No, you've missed the point by Locke2005 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They seem to have forgotten the real reason for noblesse oblige, which is basically that we will kill you if you push us too far.

      What do you mean by "we", peasant?

      --
      I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
    8. Re:No, you've missed the point by spun · · Score: 1

      I'm not a peasant, I'm the co-chairman of our autonomous collective. Uh, 'till Friday, anyway. We switch up executive powers on a rotating basis.

      --
      - None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
    9. Re:No, you've missed the point by jmorris42 · · Score: 1

      > The most effective way to deal with a mob is
      > to kill every last one of them.

      Not at all, waste of worker bees at any rate.

      Almost every 'mob' is composed of two groups, rabble rousers and rabble. Cull out the community organizers and no more mobs. Cops have been dealing with riots (mostly potential riots) for decades by going after the organizers first. No they can't arrest everyone, but they rarely have to, take out the dozen ringleaders and the mob disperses.

      Another attack, especially in this case, is on the widely believed notion that stuff on the net is anonymous. A few high profile trackdowns and arrests work wonders to educate the gullible fools who get sucked into something like Anonymous believing they can 'stick it to the man' and be anonymous, thus escaping the wrath of 'the man.'

      --
      Democrat delenda est
    10. Re:No, you've missed the point by ultranova · · Score: 1

      They seem to have forgotten the real reason for noblesse oblige, which is basically that we will kill you if you push us too far.

      What do you mean by "we", peasant?

      He and the guy hiding in your closet with a machete, obviously.

      --

      Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

    11. Re:No, you've missed the point by ultranova · · Score: 1

      They seem to have forgotten the real reason for noblesse oblige, which is basically that we will kill you if you push us too far.

      More to the point, they've read the works of Ayn Rand and her ilk too many times. In the beginning, they simply used them as an excuse for their evil and greed; but they've been telling lies for so long they've truly started believing they keep the sky up, so the whole idea that the "looters"/sheep/rabble could rise up and defeat their oppressors is unthinkable. It is, after all, a comforting lie: that nothing has consequences.

      It's going to be a really nasty surprise when all the hatred sheething beneath the surface will finally boil over.

      --

      Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

    12. Re:No, you've missed the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those with half a brain will not find this fight worth the risk.

      Or those with half a brain will show their support in ways likely to not be considered illegal keeping clean hands so even in the unlikely chance they are identified it does not matter.

    13. Re:No, you've missed the point by ogl_codemonkey · · Score: 1

      What do you mean by "we", peasant?

      He and the guy hiding in your closet with a machete, obviously.

      Scimitar; but I can see how you'd think machete from looking in that window.

    14. Re:No, you've missed the point by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Indeed. One thing that keeps the "capitalist system" afloat is the carrot in front of your nose that suggests that you may "rise" in the ranks.

      If that perspective is taken away, it only takes a focal point for a rebellion. For reference, see 1789 and 1917.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    15. Re:No, you've missed the point by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      What it does know is that it has the power of a mob. Arrest one person in a mob? You still have a mob.

      On the other hand, start shooting just a few individuals in a mob, and you'll disperse the mob even if you don't have enough bullets for everyone in the mob. If they start a few arresting/suing individuals with the heavy handed tactics they're going to use, I suspect fewer people will participate. Ten years ago I may have considered LOIC to be a worthy cause and participated, but would have been scared back to my pillow fort if they started going after individuals. Today I'm just too jaded and cowardly to leave my pillow fort in the first place.

    16. Re:No, you've missed the point by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Nope. That's about the WORST you could do. For reference, see "war on terror".

      To deal with a mob, you have to identify the focal points, the mob leaders, and take them out. If you try to wipe out the mob, others will take their place who got angry because you arrested or even killed their friends or relatives. And they will be MUCH worse because they are now a lot more motivated to fight you. Not because they want to get better living conditions, but because they want revenge.

      Essentially, doing this you trade a mob that wants to improve their situation (and hence has a reason to flee if you shoot at them because dead people are rarely in a better situation than a living one in a bad situation) for a mob with revenge as their goal, that probably does not care if they die as long as you do so, too.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    17. Re:No, you've missed the point by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      What, a guy in the closet again??? My wife has got some serious explaining to do!

      --
      I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
  30. I have a confession by mgabrys · · Score: 0

    I just want to come clean and be honest in disclosing - GLEN BECK is a member of anonymous. There I've said it. Whew - load off my mind that is.

    1. Re:I have a confession by cosm · · Score: 1

      I just want to come clean and be honest in disclosing - GLEN BECK is a member of anonymous. There I've said it. Whew - load off my mind that is.

      Good thing you didn't say GLENN BECK, otherwise he might have tried suing you. Although I did hear he raped and mur....never mind.

      Somewhere in the world, there is a Glen Beck, and he probably having a rough couple years.

      Probably not as bad as Julian Asage, hopefully they don't accidentally pick her up by mistake identity and take her to a torture camp in Afghanistan.

      --
      'We are trying to prove ourselves wrong as quickly as possible, because only in that way can we find progress.' RPF
    2. Re:I have a confession by Nadaka · · Score: 2

      Glenn Beck may well be part of anonymous, but his best trolling is done under his own name.

    3. Re:I have a confession by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Glenn Beck -- crypto-anonfag and bearer of Epic Lulz

  31. Grammar, bitch. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anonymous' aims

    Anonymous's aims.

  32. Has the NYT bailed already? by rastoboy29 · · Score: 1

    Has anybody noticed that the New York Times seems to have stopped printing more cables articles since the 9th?

    Have they caved already?

    1. Re:Has the NYT bailed already? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Has anybody noticed that the New York Times seems to have stopped printing more cables articles since the 9th?

      Have they caved already?

      No, they realized the cables aren't particularly damning at all, nobody cares about them, and the real story is in the drama Assange himself causes, as well as the Anonymous kiddies. It's ironic, really; If Assange and Anonymous wanted to do this to draw attention to the cables and whatever else WikiLeaks leaks, all they managed to do was draw attention to themselves. If all they really are are just the attention whores everyone who hasn't deluded themselves into thinking this is some "revolution" knows they are, well, mission accomplished.

      Give it two months. Nobody will care anymore. The NYT knows this. They know how the masses react. They've been in this business far longer than your junior high-level government conspiracy theories have even existed.

    2. Re:Has the NYT bailed already? by Xaositecte · · Score: 2

      Dude, fix your font.

    3. Re:Has the NYT bailed already? by tzot · · Score: 1

      Dude... fix *your* fonts.

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  33. The true lesson by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 1

    Just as hacking should be left to the real hackers, not the script kiddies, press releases should be written by real PR people, not word processing kiddies.

  34. ANONYMOUS by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2, Funny

    "You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.."

    -- Inigo Montoya

    --
    "Flyin' in just a sweet place,
    Never been known to fail..."
    1. Re:ANONYMOUS by pookemon · · Score: 2

      Col: You’re so dumb you’re such an idiot you’re so...so...stupendous!

      Frank: um...I don’t think you know what that word means...

      Col: I do know what it means, and you’re just jealous... because im so much better, because im so great, because im so, so...superfluous!!

      -- Lano & Woodley

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      dnuof eruc rof aixelsid
    2. Re:ANONYMOUS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Mod parent LOL...

      "You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.."

      What, "parent"? Sure I do. It's when a man and a woman love each other very much they kiss and cuddle in a special way and the woman tweets "oh you're so wonderful" and then when the woman finds the man loved another woman in a special way a couple of days later, the woman untweets and then together the women go to the police and the man gets locked up. That's how parents are made.

    3. Re:ANONYMOUS by spun · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ooh! This is fun! I've got one, too

      Jefe: We have many beautiful piñatas for your birthday celebration, each one filled with little surprises!
      El Guapo: How many piñatas?
      Jefe: Many piñatas, many!
      El Guapo: Jefe, would you say I have a plethora of piñatas?
      Jefe: A what?
      El Guapo: A plethora.
      Jefe: Oh yes, El Guapo. You have a plethora.
      El Guapo: Jefe, what is a plethora?
      Jefe: Why, El Guapo?
      El Guapo: Well, you just told me that I had a plethora, and I would just like to know if you know what it means to have a plethora. I would not like to think that someone would tell someone else he has a plethora, and then find out that that person has no idea what it means to have a plethora.
      Jefe: El Guapo, I know that I, Jefe, do not have your superior intellect and education, but could it be that once again, you are angry at something else, and are looking to take it out on me?

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      - None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
    4. Re:ANONYMOUS by Spacezilla · · Score: 1

      That's my favorite episode. :)

    5. Re:ANONYMOUS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      He got his facebook all up in their twitter.

    6. Re:ANONYMOUS by hrimhari · · Score: 1

      I think he meant "Mod". I, for one, don't know how you want people to modify the parent. That's something we do to devices, not to people...

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      http://dilbert.com/2010-12-13
  35. HAHAHAHAHA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good. Glad they arrested the fvcker.

    Hope they arrest all the other retards who downloaded LOIC and used it to attack websites.

  36. Unclear on the concept... by PinchDuck · · Score: 0

    You aren't supposed to sign your name to an anonymous press release. Also, check your metadata.

  37. script kiddies should stay away from fire by peter303 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Messing around with sovereign governments is not a game. If you dont understand how you leave footprints on the web you should not get involved. More mature hackers can avoid this.

    1. Re:script kiddies should stay away from fire by dwarfsoft · · Score: 5, Insightful

      More mature hackers are avoiding it by getting the script kiddies to do the work for them...

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      Cheers, Chris
    2. Re:script kiddies should stay away from fire by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      It's a good teamup. The script kiddies take little personal risk, as there are so many of them, while the more valuable tool-creators take done. A flaw is that the Anonymous legion tend to judge the offensive power of a tool based on it's appearance. As DoS tools go, LOIC actually sucks. It's popular because it's got good meme connections and a nicely styled interface.

    3. Re:script kiddies should stay away from fire by St.Creed · · Score: 1

      True - who can resist installing a "Low Orbit ION Cannon"? I know *I* had difficulties avoiding the installation because I was visualizing a rather large orbital platform beaming down destruction on evildoers and copyrightholders with just the press of a button :)

      However, if I want to DDOS it will be through a chain of proxies, operating out of a virtual machine in Tonga that changes its IP on a daily basis, registered to several companies that trace back to a PO-box in China. Good luck getting through that. I'll start setting it up now so itwill be ready by around 2015, right when I need it :)

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      Therefore, by the (faulty) logic you're using, you're just a cow with a keyboard - osu-neko (2604)
    4. Re:script kiddies should stay away from fire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Messing around with sovereign governments is not a game. If you dont understand how you leave footprints on the web you should not get involved. More mature hackers can avoid this.

      Is is hacking when you make a PDF file now?

      Perhaps the folks over at Adobe should be brought up on charges of aiding and abetting?

    5. Re:script kiddies should stay away from fire by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      Messing around with sovereign governments is not a game.

      Julian Assange is learning this first-hand as we speak...

  38. Conspiracy 101 by westlake · · Score: 2

    If I get a few thousand of my friends to drive down a road at a particular time to create a traffic jam, is that a crime? I'm really asking...

    Of course it is.

    You have launched a conspiracy to deny others the right to travel without interference and delay. You and your friends are obstructing the public roads with potentially life-threatening consequences.

    Police. Ambulance services. Fire and rescue...

    It won't matter if you are a thousand miles away when someone gets hurt.

    It's your game. Your ball.

    Conspiracy law usually does not require proof of specific intent by the defendants to injure any specific person to establish an illegal agreement. Instead, usually the law only requires the conspirators have agreed to engage in a certain illegal act. This is sometimes described as a "general intent" to violate the law.
    The conspirators can be guilty even if they do not know the identity of the other members of the conspiracy.
    Conspiracy (crime)

    1. Re:Conspiracy 101 by jpapon · · Score: 1
      Right, but is the act illegal? The brick and mortar examples only further my argument; I don't see why a store couldn't hire hundreds of people to swamp a rival's shop. Of course, the people hired would have to leave the competitor's store when asked to do so, but I don't see anything illegal in the initial act of putting employees in a rivals store.

      Regardless, I'm not asking if denial of service attacks are malicious; clearly they are... their intent is to deny service. My question is whether or not they are, in fact, illegal, and in what jurisdictions. After all, there are plenty of business practices which directly harm a competitor, but are not illegal.

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      -- Let us endeavor so to live that when we pass even the undertaker shall be sorry. -- M. Twain
    2. Re:Conspiracy 101 by jpapon · · Score: 1

      a conspiracy to deny others the right to travel without interference and delay

      I don't believe this is a right.

      the law only requires the conspirators have agreed to engage in a certain illegal act

      Exactly. Is the act illegal? Obviously you can be charged with conspiracy to commit an illegal act...

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      -- Let us endeavor so to live that when we pass even the undertaker shall be sorry. -- M. Twain
    3. Re:Conspiracy 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If I get a few thousand of my friends to drive down a road at a particular time to create a traffic jam, is that a crime? I'm really asking...

      Of course it is.

      You have launched a conspiracy to deny others the right to travel without interference and delay. You and your friends are obstructing the public roads with potentially life-threatening consequences.

      Ah, so striking is illegal as it denies access to a place of business and obstructs its function. Protesting is illegal because the mass of people obstruct the roads and businesses in the affected area.

      The entire point of these exercises is malicious obstruction so I guess a police state is the modern utopia.

    4. Re:Conspiracy 101 by schnikies79 · · Score: 0

      Striking is fine because you can cross the picket line.

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      Gone!
    5. Re:Conspiracy 101 by collywally · · Score: 1

      You have launched a conspiracy to deny others the right to travel without interference and delay.

      sounds kind of like what the TSA does....

  39. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so, the official statement from a representative of "Anonymous" is; "No Comment". that makes my l0ll3r tickle

  40. If you're going to be a grammar nazi, do it RIGHT! by Xaositecte · · Score: 1

    Did some checking, both are acceptable, it all depends on what the intended pronounciation is.

    I.E. if you want people to read that and say "anonymouses" then write your version.

  41. Wrong again FUDster by chronoss2010 · · Score: 0

    you will see why soon enough....

  42. Basically, 2 possible outcomes by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    1. He did it, they arrest him, that's where it ends. He doesn't know any names he could give them (how could he, Anonymous is ... well, guess). The others will just continue as before.

    Oh, you mean they'll shit themselves and stop? Yeah, it worked really well for the whole RIAA lawsuits for fantastillion bucks, P2P sharing instantly floundered.

    2. It's a HUGE prank along the lines already outlined above, with the name basically being "I. C. Wiener" or "I. P. Freely" and some poor guy actually having that name. /b/ will ZOMFGROFL (or whatever the acronym du jour is) over it for weeks. Might even spawn a meme.

    Both may or may not result in Greece becoming the new prank target and prime source for new anti-government memes.

    That's basically the net result to be expected.

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    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  43. I think the Greek Authorities have their hand full by JumperCable · · Score: 2

    Check out the austerity measure riots going on.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuJZdWTiaJM

    I don't see them having time to mess with this kid.

  44. Would a PR firm be guilty? by JumperCable · · Score: 1

    Now what happens if you hire some PR firm to write a press release for your group? Is the person who published your press release guilty of a crime?

  45. brilliant revenge strategy by Francofille · · Score: 1

    Just when you think something so ridiculous wouldn't work

    1. Find a news story which is putting the government on the brink of declaring martial law
    2. Issue an anonymous press release claiming responsibility with a ludicrously simple "mistake" which attributes authorship to the target

    Then the only way to solve the problem is with a mass "I am Spartacus" defense.

  46. They'll COINTELPRO them mob by elucido · · Score: 0

    Most mobs don't know how to deal with counter intelligence.

    1. Re:They'll COINTELPRO them mob by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Yes, as long as the mob only consists of "lower class" people, who neither have intelligence nor education.

      The problem is now that more and more people are pushed down that have both and can easily become leaders of rebellions and even revolutions. No revolution in history, at least no successful ones, were led by "serfs". They were led by intelligent and often very well educated people.

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    2. Re:They'll COINTELPRO them mob by elucido · · Score: 1

      Yes, as long as the mob only consists of "lower class" people, who neither have intelligence nor education.

      The problem is now that more and more people are pushed down that have both and can easily become leaders of rebellions and even revolutions. No revolution in history, at least no successful ones, were led by "serfs". They were led by intelligent and often very well educated people.

      That is true. You make a good point. But in the 1960s highly intelligent people tried a revolution and failed. In the 1930s with the business plot highly intelligent people tried and failed.

  47. Call him an AINO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anonymous In Name Only

  48. I'm a little behind by __aatirs3925 · · Score: 1

    Is this anonymous the same kind of anonymous who are hackers on steroids and love to blow up vans or are we talking about some kind of anonymous user not linked to the chans? I keep hearing 4chan this and 4chan that but it often switches away from 4chan to 'Anonymous' so I'm pretty confused here. Well whatever, PUDDI, PUDDI, PUDDI.

  49. Have you actually read the document? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a 'press release' explaining that anonymous is not a organized group but a kind of movement; there is no call to action whatsoever anywhere in the document.

    This guy is a random dude who wrote something trying to clear up the confusion about what anonymous is. If authorities think they somehow arrested anonymous' PR guy who'll lead them to the rest of the gang, it only shows they haven't read his document.

  50. Re:I think the Greek Authorities have their hand f by Hatta · · Score: 1

    Good for the fucking Greek. Government and Business screw up and leave the average person with the bill. Perhaps this is a good time for them to water the Tree of Liberty.

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    Give me Classic Slashdot or give me death!
  51. Bull fucking shit. by copponex · · Score: 1

    http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/node/774

    By July 24, 2009, the U.S. government was totally clear about the basic facts of what took place in Honduras on June 28, 2009. The U.S. embassy in Tegucigalpa sent a cable to Washington with subject: "Open and Shut: The Case of the Honduran Coup," asserting that "there is no doubt" that the events of June 28 "constituted an illegal and unconstitutional coup." The Embassy listed arguments being made by supporters of the coup to claim its legality, and dismissed them thus: "none ... has any substantive validity under the Honduran constitution." The Honduran military clearly had no legal authority to remove President Zelaya from office or from Honduras, the Embassy said, and their action - the Embassy described it as an "abduction" and "kidnapping" - was clearly unconstitutional. . .

    . . .But despite the fact that the U.S. government was crystal clear on what had transpired, the U.S. did not immediately cut off all aid to Honduras except "democracy assistance," as required by U.S. law.

    Instead, a month after this cable was sent, the State Department, in its public pronouncements, pretended that the events of June 28 - in particular, "who did what to whom" and the constitutionality of these actions - were murky and needed further study by State Department lawyers, despite the fact that the State Department's top lawyer, Harold Koh, knew exactly "who did what to whom" and that these actions were unconstitutional at least one month earlier. The State Department, to justify its delay in carrying out U.S. law, invented a legal distinction between a "coup" and a "military coup," claiming that the State Department's lawyers had to determine whether a "military coup" took place, because only that determination would meet the legal threshold for the aid cutoff. . .

    . . .Why did the State Department drag its feet, pretending that facts which it knew to be clear-cut were murky? Why didn't the State Department speak publicly after July 24 with the same moral clarity as the July 24 cable from the Embassy in Honduras? Had the State Department shared publicly the Embassy's clear assessment of the June 28 events after July 24, history might have turned out differently, because supporters of the coup in the United States - including Republican Members of Congress and media talking heads - continued to dispute basic facts about the coup which the US Embassy in Honduras had reported were not subject to reasonable dispute, and U.S. media reporting on the coup continued to describe these facts as subject to reasonable dispute, long after the Embassy had firmly declared that they were not.

    As the Center for Economic and Policy Research noted in an August 2009 report, in the previous 12 months the U.S. had responded to other coups by cutting U.S. aid within days. In these cases - in Africa - there was no lengthy deliberation on whether a "coup" was a "military coup."

    What was the difference?

    A key difference was that Honduras is in Central America, "our backyard," so different rules applied. Top officials in Washington supported the political aims of the coup. They did not nominally support the means of the coup, as far as we know, but they supported its political end: the removal of the ability of President Zelaya and his supporters to pursue a meaningful reform project in Honduras. On the other hand, they were politically constrained not to support the coup openly, since they knew it to be illegal and unconstitutional. Thus, they pursued a "diplomatic compromise" which would "restore constitutional order" while achieving the coup's central political aim: removal of the ability of President Zelaya and his supporters to pursue a meaningful reform project in Honduras. The effect of their efforts at "diplomatic compromise" was to allow the coup to stand, a result that these supporters

    1. Re:Bull fucking shit. by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      So, the U.S. Embassy is the final arbiter of what is constitutional according to the Constitution of Honduras?
      Fact: President Zelaya attempted to amend the Constitution of Honduras to allow him to serve a further term as President of Honduras (this is the "meaningful reform project in Honduras" that is referred to in the article you quote). That is defined by the Honduran Constitution as treason.
      Fact: The Honduran Supreme Court ordered him to stop attempting to amend the Honduran Constitution to allow him to serve another term as President.
      Fact: President Zelaya made plans to conduct a plebiscite on amending the Constitution to allow himself to serve another term as President using the Army. When the Amry's top general refused to carry out his illegal order, Zelaya attempted to fire him. Fact: The Supreme Court ordered the Army to remove Zelaya from power.
      Fact: After removing Zelaya from power the Army turned power over to the next civilian in the line of succession.
      The only problem is that the Honduran Constitution does not say what course of action should be taken if the President commits treason, so the government of Honduras had to improvise a solution.
      The Obama Administration only started to recognize that it would have to accept the results of the election (which had been scheduled well before all of this occurred...including selection of candidates) after the American people expressed outrage that he would support someone who clearly attempted to subvert his own country's constitution (Zelaya).
      Fact: Micheletti yielded power peacefully to the winner of the constitutionally held election. If President Sosa does not yield office to his duly elected successor at the end of his single term, you may have a case that a coup has taken place. Otherwise, an honest arbiter of the facts must conclude that Honduran Democracy was preserved by what you call a coup.

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      The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
    2. Re:Bull fucking shit. by copponex · · Score: 0

      Hey, comrade. The State appreciates your fealty, but unfortunately the State already said this:

      Defenders of the June 28 coup have offered some combination of the following, often ambiguous, arguments to assert it's legality:

      -- Zelaya had broken the law (alleged but not proven);

      -- Zelaya resigned (a clear fabrication);

      -- Zelaya intended to extend his term in office (supposition);

      -- Had he been allowed to proceed with his June 28 constitutional reform opinion poll, Zelaya would have dissolved Congress the following day and convened a constituent assembly (supposition);

      -- Zelaya had to be removed from the country to prevent a bloodbath;

      -- Congress "unanimously" (or in some versions by a 123-5 vote) deposed Zelaya; (after the fact and under the cloak of secrecy); and

      -- Zelaya "automatically" ceased to be president the moment he suggested modifying the constitutional prohibition on presidential reelection.

      4. (C) In our view, none of the above arguments has any substantive validity under the Honduran constitution. Some are outright false. Others are mere supposition or ex-post rationalizations of a patently illegal act. Essentially:

      -- the military had no authority to remove Zelaya from the country;

      -- Congress has no constitutional authority to remove a Honduran president;

      -- Congress and the judiciary removed Zelaya on the basis of a hasty, ad-hoc, extralegal, secret, 48-hour process;

      -- the purported "resignation" letter was a fabrication and was not even the basis for Congress's action of June 28;
      and

      -- Zelaya's arrest and forced removal from the country violated multiple constitutional guarantees, including the prohibition on expatriation, presumption of innocence and right to due process.

      Read the whole cable here. Straight from the horse's fucking mouth.

      The US government knew the coup was illegal. It refused to admit that fact publicly and follow it's own laws regarding sending aid to nations under military coups in order to get its political objectives achieved in the region. That's because American Interests trump Democracy, every time, without exception, from Egypt to Palestine to Iraq to Honduras to Chile to Argentina.

      Your bullshit diversions are meaningless, but hysterically subservient. Thanks for the laugh.

    3. Re:Bull fucking shit. by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      How much more proven than a ruling by the Honduran Supreme Court can an allegation that President Zelaya broke the law can you get? The Supreme Court of Honduras ruled that Zelaya had committed treason by attempting to change the Presidential term limits clause of the Honduran Constitution (of course it wasn't like they had a choice since the Honduran Constitution defines attempting to change that clause as treason).
      How does a cable from the U.S. Embassy, represent a "straight from the horse's mouth" interpretation of the Honduran Constitutions?
      Exactly what was the U.S. supposed to ask Honduras to do in January of this year when Zelaya's term had expired and the President chosen in the Constitutionally scheduled election took office?
      You keep saying the U.S. should have cut off aid to Honduras. OK, for how long? Until Honduras tok what action?

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      The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
    4. Re:Bull fucking shit. by copponex · · Score: 1

      How much more proven than a ruling by the Honduran Supreme Court can an allegation that President Zelaya broke the law can you get? The Supreme Court of Honduras ruled that Zelaya had committed treason by attempting to change the Presidential term limits clause of the Honduran Constitution (of course it wasn't like they had a choice since the Honduran Constitution defines attempting to change that clause as treason).

      You don't believe this argument. It's like saying that the Chinese Communist Party has had a ruling the Tibet and Taiwan are part of sovereign China, therefore it must be true.

      How does a cable from the U.S. Embassy, represent a "straight from the horse's mouth" interpretation of the Honduran Constitutions?

      The cable summary says this:

      Post has attempted to clarify some of the legal and constitutional issues surrounding the June 28 forced removal of President Manuel "Mel" Zelaya. The Embassy perspective is that there is no doubt that the military, Supreme Court and National Congress conspired on June 28 in what constituted an illegal and unconstitutional coup against the Executive Branch, while accepting that there may be a prima facie case that Zelaya may have committed illegalities and may have even violated the constitution. There is equally no doubt from our perspective that Roberto Micheletti's assumption of power was illegitimate. Nevertheless, it is also evident that the constitution itself may be deficient in terms of providing clear procedures for dealing with alleged illegal acts by the President and resolving conflicts between the branches of government.

      I'm not arguing that corrupt Honduran politicians made legal excuses for their military coup. That's what happens every time there is a military coup. I'm arguing that the United States was well aware that their argument was complete horse shit, but ignored S.O.P. because they care more about American Interests than they do about Democracy.

      Exactly what was the U.S. supposed to ask Honduras to do in January of this year when Zelaya's term had expired and the President chosen in the Constitutionally scheduled election took office? You keep saying the U.S. should have cut off aid to Honduras. OK, for how long? Until Honduras tok what action?

      Since the State Department considered it an "open and shut case" that the military coup was unconstitutional, they should have informed the leaders of the new government that they would not be receiving aid since they were subverting their democracy by ignoring their Constitution. That would have supplied the needed political pressure to possibly re-instate Zelaya and make them go through the proper legal channels to remove him instead of kidnapping him and rendering him outside of the country after forging his resignation letter. Instead, the USG has established the precedent - once again - that military coups are fine as long as we like the new guy.

      It would be really, really nice if the State Department supported democracy with their aid money, instead of whatever government can take orders and remain in power. Chavez and Castro would be as adored as Pinochet was in the 80s if only they would accept the premise that they live in the backyard of the United States, and are subject to its rule.

    5. Re:Bull fucking shit. by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      So, what do you want the U.S. government to have done once the newly elected President took office? Zelaya's term had expired at that point. BTW, that was when the U.S. government lifted sanctions against Honduras. The U.S. instituted sanctions against Honduras when Zelaya was removed from power. They did not lift those sanctions until after the new President took power. What other course of action should they have taken? Are you saying that they should have sanctions in place until Honduras returns Zelaya to office? Even though his term expired at the end of 2008?

      BTW, I personally know several Hondurans (who have no connection to the government), they don't seem to think there was anything untoward done by their government in this situation.

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      The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
  52. Stand Alone Complex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    A real life stand alone complex: "a phenomenon where unrelated, yet very similar actions of individuals create a seemingly concerted effort". The anime connection isn't farfetched given the youth of those reported to have been arrested for the DDoS.

    1. Re:Stand Alone Complex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could be -- or it could be a massive scheme by a brilliant sociopathic government official to look like a stand-alone phenomenon, while ultimately consolidating power in his hands. (Hideous facial scarring optional.)

  53. Never register any software by ub3r+n3u7r4l1st · · Score: 1

    Remember those little setup/install screen asking for your name and your organization? Type in random characters will make it work.

  54. this may have actually happened: by KingAlanI · · Score: 1

    http://slashdot.org/journal/201888/In-Soviet-xkcd, Journal entry by a /.'er who met Randall Munroe IRL, which leads to this picture: http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/1855/01721azf4.jpg

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    I listen to both RIAA and non-RIAA stuff if I like the music, tangential business/politics nonwithstanding.
  55. Something strange behind the lines... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And he was prosecuted for what? Distributing a document?

    If I can give my 10 .c, then there's something more behind this, most likely a children pornography case which would also explain the blocked website as I can see no other reason for this.

  56. What is "The"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In case anybody wonders what this .pdf described only as "The" is all about, here's a link: (as if there is only one .pdf on the internet or something, FFS)

    http://dump.no/files/467072ba2a42/ANONOPS_The_Press_Release.pdf

  57. Still misunderstanding the name. by SharpFang · · Score: 2

    Anonymous doesn't mean people who keep their identities secret, shadow figures nobody knows about, mysterious strangers. No.

    Anonymous is synonym for "Joe Average". An anonymous person you pass by on the street. Somebody who doesn't mean a thing to you. Name not hidden, but unimportant, totally not worth writing down. Somebody who means nothing as a single person, whose loss won't be mourned by anyone significant, just a disposable person. They are aware of being meaningless people with no worth as individuals. But as a bulk, they form a formidable force. And if one or ten or a hundred is lost, this changes nothing. They were just some anonymous people, but The Anonymous lives on.

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  58. And the 2010 Darwin Award Goes To... by beaverdownunder · · Score: 1

    ...this guy!

  59. Subject by Legion303 · · Score: 1

    Next time, use seven proxies AND MagicJack.

  60. You Don't Get It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They have a website,

    Which one is that?

    a common cause,

    Just one?

    and some degree of leadership involved in coordination.

    Anyone can be "leader" at any time, depending on who is online, has the necessary technical skills, and gains the trust of whoever is online at the time. Anyone can be disposed as leader just as quickly. The "leaders" don't lead, they help coordinate the execution of whatever consensus.

    It refers to exactly what it should refer to: the coordinated goals, members, and efforts, however temporal, of people who rally under that banner.

    The goals are many and can be conflicting. As can the efforts.
    Anyone can be a member at any time, without even knowing.
    It is not a banner either; that would imply they are a party of some kind. Rather, they are what happens when enough people cooperate spontaneously, each for their own goals and reasons. A stand-alone complex, if you will.