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Teenager Tries To Hire Hitman Via Facebook
An anonymous reader writes "Hiring a hitman can cost a pretty penny these days. Why buy an ad in the classifieds section when you can simply use Facebook? Of course, you may end up having to face 11 to 22 years in prison, but that's worth the risk, right? That's what happened to 19-year-old Corey C. Adams of Pennsylvania. Last June, Adams' 20-year-old victim said after she left a party, he jumped into her car and raped her. She went to police. He went to Facebook. Specifically, his status update read: 'I got 500 on a girls head who wants that bread? Hit me up anyway possible.'"
How many "likes" did his Facebook posts get?
Boy meetsgGirl, boy rapes girl, and tries to have her killed... Wait, I don't think I saw that on the Sopranos... What a douchebag!
"Ones and zeros were everywhere. I even think I saw a two!" - Bender
I'm speechless... I am out of speech.
I wonder how much amusement his fellow inmates will have with the phrase "hit me up anyway possible"?
Now I've never used Facebook, so maybe I'm missing something ... but status update? Are there many assassins scouring random Facebook profiles for job statuses, or did this guy hope one of his friends would do this?
Wouldn't Twitter be better for this?
It is so hard to find good workmen for a job these. You need recommendations.So I don't think facebook was the best move.
Checkatrade or something would have been better.
$500 is well below the going rate for killing the key witness in a felony trial. Maybe he would have gotten a more positive response if he hadn't been such a cheapskate.
Because a rapist used Facebook, it's news for computer geeks? I'm actually kind of offended.
The guy sounds a complete douche but I'm not so sure posting a status update could be considered the same thing as "tried to hire a hitman". It sounds more like the usual passive aggressive comments shared between friends without realising that the police will take it completely seriously and charge you with it. The lesson is, as is ever more clear each day, expect your social network trawled for evidence if you're ever in trouble and take heed of privacy settings. I wonder what would have been made of it had his status update been completely locked to friends only?
jaymz
Wouldn't he serve 7-14 years for killing her himself?
Did anyone notice that the pic of Emil Protalinski (the guy whose ZDNet article was linked in the OP) looks like it could be the mug shot of the criminal in question? Not a good pic...
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Are people taking his post seriously because he is accused of raping the girl first? For this to have been legit he'd first need to have hitmen as friends on Facebook, and second he'd have to have pursued it. There are millions of people who say stupid things on Facebook that aren't taken in the same context. I have seen many more explicit posts on Facebook and not one was taken seriously by anyone.
I know the economy sucks, but not that bad. With pay like that for a hitman, you'd be better off as a mugger....
The guy should have reached out to this Facebook group... http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Assassin's_Creed:_Project_Legacy
Specifically, his status update read: 'I got 500 on a girls head who wants that bread? Hit me up anyway possible.'"
Big Horny Inmate, in the shower room, with the meat pipe?
Get in the car drunk with the Girl.
Girl has sex with you, realize she is drunk and never wanted anything to do with you. Her real BF (or dad or whatever) might be super angry.
Girl complains to the police about the rape.
Boy gets angry, write on facebook "this bitch!! $500 to whoever kills her!". Which obviously doesn't mean he intend people to kill her.
Girl complain to police about murder. Girl also contact journalists about super internet story to post.
Boy got owned. Twice.
now he can get his face on Mug shot
Would have probably been cheaper than a $500 hitman and would have had fewer legal entanglements than sexual assault.
A high school friend of mine got busted for drinking beer in his car, parked in a remote parking lot. His father knew a good lawyer. The trial lasted about five minutes. The lawyer presented the judge a copy of the law that my friend was charged with disobeying. The law stated that it was against drinking while driving. So the police officer obviously had made a mistake, and wrote down the wrong law when charging my friend. He told me later, "I got lucky!"
So I would not be surprised if a good lawyer could weasel this dumb-ass out of any charges on some technicality.
Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
Boy gets angry, write on facebook "this bitch!! $500 to whoever kills her!". Which obviously doesn't mean he intend people to kill her.
And then the next post which says "need her dead now" when he is called into the police station to testify? That also means nothing?
Guess you should have RTFA asshole.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Upon seeing his solicitation, I'd have contacted him and agreed to carry out the contract. Then find the girl, explain everything, and fudge the murder. Promise her half the $500, and bring back a ripped shirt of hers dabbed in pig's blood as proof of the done deed. Tell him nobody will even know she's gone for a couple days, and be gone by the time he shits himself in court.
Well, not trying to defend the guy because I don't really know the truth (and let's remind that neither do you). The story can very well be another.
- Girl get's get's drunk and acepts to have sex with the guy.
- Girl wakes up, with hangover next day and decides that after all, she didn't really want to have sex with the guy.
- Girl goes to the police and says the guy raped her.
- Guy get's pissed off because this is unfair and posts a stupid message in FB because he basically thinks she is a bitch.
Then again ... why did this story get in to Slashdot?
This clearly called for Craigs List not Facebook.
"Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
The lesson is, as is ever more clear each day, expect your social network trawled for evidence if you're ever in trouble and take heed of privacy settings.
Do you really think 'privacy settings' will stop the cops or lawyers in discovery?
My god! There must one gigantic turnip truck around here!
Maybe he just wanted to know if for $500 we would hit it?
Then the charge is just pimping.
"I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it." : Dogbert
Personally, to simplify our overblown judicial and legislative system, I think there should be 3 and only 3 criminal charges, all of which are punishable by death. Rape, Abuse Of A Child (sexual or otherwise; I'm not talking 20 whacks w/ a belt, I'm talking serious, life-altering shit), and Gross Stupidity. And this guy wins on 2 out of 3. How stupid can you possibly be?
Of course, I'm continually amazed by the kind of people that (a) try to hire people (generally amateurs - most people that really have a reason and strong desire to kill someone are also the type of people that handle it themselves anyways) and (b) that try to profit from it (see my comments about amateurs, again). Logistically speaking, as a career choice it's not a very good one. Because if you're doing this for a living, you have to be employed by someone with some serious clout to make a living off it (and not end up in prison). Think about it - planning, carrying out, and cleaning up after a disposal takes at least a 3 days (possibly up to a month or more if the target is particularly well-protected or otherwise complicated). Even cleaning up after a spur-of-the-moment thing takes at least 3-4 hours to do right (if you include disposal of the body, cleaning up any blood, hairs, etc.). Doing this on a regular basis? There's no way it's even economically feasible in a risk vs. reward scenario.
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Kids these days, right?
I've got a few friends of friends who like posting pictures of themselves with huge bags of weed, bottles of pills, and on a few occasions, face down over a couple of lines of powder with straws up their noses. The accompanying comments are the real gems though, tagging their dealers, friends, and then the obligatory comment about how fucked up they were.
I want to say that these kids need to wise up and realize that what gets posted on the internet stays on the internet, but after some thought, I wish them the best in their self-incrimination.
... When men were men and horses were horses, if a kid raped a girl SHE would hire a hitman to take him out or her family would do it. My Grandpa, bless his cigar-chomping rattlesnake-eating soul, once said to me: "you know, kid, your generation thinks you've got it hard but it just ain't so. Things have always been screwed up because if there's something Man is good at, is screwing things up. Anyway, when I was your age a young man about eighteen (we didn't call anyone over 14 "kid" back then) took his liberties with a town girl. And by "taking his liberties" I mean he fucked her in the ass without her consent. She comes home visibly upset and tells his father that this piece of shit from who knows where just fucked her in the ass without her consent. Now, we're pretty tolerant folks but if there's something we believe in is that nobody fucks a woman in the ass without her consent. That's just plain rude. And that was exactly what her father thought so he called his two sons and made a couple of phone calls and we met in the town square. We held a little meeting and decided that no, this piece of shit couldn't get away with fucking the girl - any girl - in the ass without her consent. And that included Rose the Thorny Bush, who practically went around with a FREE ENTRANCE sign taped to her ass and a pile of signed consent forms in her purse. But I digress. OK, to cut a long story short we get our hands on the piece of shit and after punching the lights out of him, we drag him to the town square where we decide what to do with him. Good old Ezekiel, who has always been two days short of a Sunday if you take my meaning, proposes that since he fucked the girl in the ass without her consent, we should do the same and fuck him in the ass without his consent too. But we're not rude people you know, and we don't go around fucking people in the ass without their consent even if they have fucked other people in the ass without their consent. It's just a no-no. There are limits to what you can do to even the most vile person. So we decided to torture him to death by dismembering him alive. Which wasn't exactly easy in those times, we didn't have those fancy chrome-vanadium chainsaws you guys use to dismember people. Dismembering people back then was serious business. So we gathered saws, hatchets, knives, whatever and cut him to little pieces, and burned most of him but some of us being sentimental people decided to keep a piece. I kept his dick. Had it stuffed and mounted but I grew sick of it and left it in the attic. Wanna see it?" We went up and he showed me the thing. It was covered in dust and cobwebs but armed with a vacuum cleaner I managed to uncover it and lo and behold, there was the dead terrified face of the miserable rapist who so long ago fucked that poor girl in the ass without her consent. "Grandpa," I said "you told me you took his dick." "Well, he WAS a dickhead, don't ya think?" Yeah, bless ol'Grandpa.
Geeks are so full of shit that "beating the crap out of them" takes a whole new meaning.
Hope that once in jail, he'll get his ass raped... HARD.
Have you looked at Soldier of Fortune magazine add over the past few years? Hell, a lot of hitmen are homeless now, and are doing hit for food, or partially used clothes. It has gotten really bad.
I hired a hitman last year, but he failed to do the job(ran out of gas). I hired another hitman to take him out, but that guy could no longer afford bullets. I ended up paying a homeless man $10 to kill them both, but he ended up buying food for the two hitmen.
I mean, what has the world come to when a hitman will not kill people and homeless people will not do anything for money?
...but in the UK there was the guy arrested for threatening to burn down an airport on Twitter.... ok, he obviously was just expressing his frustration and it's a bit more possible that this FaceBook loser (sorry - 'user') was serious, but it shows how these idle comments on social media get taken seriously by the authorities.
Aren't you supposed to use Craig's List for this sort of thing anyway?
IANAL, but I did run a Private Investigation firm. A lot of people are in jail because they didn't understand the law about this.
If you exchange anything of value under the pretense of hiring a hitman, then you are guilty of consipiracy to commit murder. For all intents and purposes, the ability or even the intent of the person you "hire" is not relevant, nor is the amount of total value of the exchange. Just like robbing a bank with a gun counts even if the gun was fake/had no bullets/etc.
Merely saying "I wish someone would kill " is a weaker version of "I will give someone $500 to kill " - solicitation. This is where you get into a slipperly slope of how much that resembles an agreement. For instance, if a 9 year says "I will give you a trillion dollars to kill ", that is not very credible. But if a mafia godfather with a track record of hiring killers and rewarding them merely says "Person is annoying me", that might be sufficient.
The real trouble comes when you exchange something of value. I was working a case once where someone was in prison for conspiracy because they asked someone to kill their girlfriend. The "hitman" asked for $1500. The guy told him he was broke. The "hitman" said "yeah, I could do it for free but I would have to leave town." So the person gave him $15 for bus fare. That was enough to show a contract. It turned out his hitman was an undercover cop. Now the guy is serving 15 years.
So in Facebook, if you said "I will be your neighbor in farmville if you kill her", and someone accepts that gift, that would be the same as you paying some stranger $10k.
It's probably a felony in all states.
You don't need anyone to take you up on the offer, although usually a cop responds to it in a sting to make sure the offender can't claim he wasn't serious..
Why does this story have a surveyor's icon on it?
The only good to come from this is that they have the title for the first job in Mafia Wars: Philadelphia.
If they can re-use the "knock off a witness" theme, that is.
I have occasionally wondered what would happen if someone posted a message like that, then when contacted by a "hitman" (which is almost certainly sure to be the police) the person turned around, called the FBI and said "I was joking around online, but somebody contacted me, and I think this guy is serious! He says he has done this before too!"
How much investigation do you think would go on before the local police and FBI realized that they were trying to sting each other?
Not that I would actually recommend anyone doing that but, given how freely some people joke or blow off steam online, I wouldn't be surprised if it has happened without even being intentional.
"I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
mmmm....funny, but I wonder how many friends disassociated themselves by blocking him as soon as they heard, even worse ...how many didn't
Men are typically much larger and stronger than women. There is a reason there are weight classes in boxing and MMA. Besides, this was in a car, so Judo and TKD are sure out. Even grapplers can be overpowered if they are outweighed 2-1. Only an elite-level female jiu-jitsu practitioner is going to take out some 225-lbs guy in a car, and how many women have time to spend 5 days a week for 5 years in a dojo? And I'm sorry, but a petite 110lb woman is never going to take out an Ahnold-sized attacker. You've just been watching too many movies, brotha.
It would be much more effective for women to carry guns, the true equalizer. Stabbing weapons are good as well. And, of course, for them not to get so drunk they are out of control.
Oh, and death penalty for rapists would be nice, too.
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The first thing that came to mind is the character "Kuni" in the movie UHF. He shouts "Sooooooo Stupid!" many times in the movie.
He knows the police are checking his Facebook postings. The guy is a moron The second post is the clincher:
From the Philadelphia Inquirer snip in the referenced article:
The victim told police that she left a party June 29 on South High Street in West Chester after consuming three drinks and feeling nauseous. She said Adams jumped into her car and later raped her. The woman called West Chester police July 1 and said she had accused Adams of raping her. She also told police she saw a posting on his Facebook page offering $500 for “a girls head,” and feared for her safety. At the preliminary hearing, West Chester Police Det. Stan Billie testified that he went to Adams’ home and that Adams agreed to meet with him at the police station. Less than 10 minutes later, Adams posted a second Facebook message that said he “needed this girl knocked off right now.
"Just where the fuck do you live that it's acceptable that someone can't leave a party alone?"
Nobody said that, nice strawman. There a lot of unacceptable realities in the world. One of them is that there are sick, violent farks in the world who need a needle full of cyanide. Unfortunately, they must first commit their horrors before they get said needle. Is it "acceptable" that I have to lock my front door? Is it "acceptable" that so many people get murdered, that every large city must have dedicated homicide investigators? Sometimes reality is hard to accept.
"All more likely to be used against the woman than by her on a rapist. Actually, all more likely to be used against an innocent man than against a rapist - women are remarkably unlikely to get raped, while men are comparatively likely to get assaulted."
There is absolutely no empirical evidence to support this nonsense, which is endlessly repeated by the anti-gunners. Justice Dept stats show resisting violent crime leads to better outcomes for victims, and Professor Gary Kleck of Florida State has done numerous studies that show millions of self defense uses of firearms per year, and only a tiny fraction of gun users ever have their guns "taken away." You think you could pull a pistol out of my hand? Good luck with that.
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This is legal-related matter, and should be on YRO section rather than idle.
New Economic Perspectives
... last week's news today!
The author's face at the top or bottom of TFA could easily be mistaken for the mugshot of the assailant.
From TFA:
The only smart thing Adams did was sign a plea agreement last week for both the rape and solicitation to commit murder charges. If he hadn’t pleaded guilty, he could have faced 35 to 70 years in jail.
Why would he face LESS time when pleading guilty? How does this make any kind of sense?
(In my country that would almost always result in a harsher sentence)
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090930121512.htm
The Kleck study wan't very good.
For the record, I don't care which is right or wrong, only that we have a good conclusion based on good data... for anything, really.
what we do know for certain is that we need more studies, and you need to stop cherry picking data to support your belief.
The Kruger Dunning explains most post on
Theres a time and place for everything.
will be proving that he typed the comments. Though as dumb as he sounds, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he has already readily and unwittingly confessed to doing so.
Most criminals are criminals because they are stupid. The mere presence of facebook drives them to out themselves (since they are too stupid to realize the consequences) thus making it very easy for our underfunded police departments to get these people behind bars.
Of course...smart people must endure endless pressure to sign up, but we have little to worry about. That's the power of "no." And while it is *possible* that your friend is going to upload an incriminating photo to his/her own profile and tag you in it, a little effort on your part can prevent that and keep the damage under control (why are you associating with stupid friends while doing incriminating stuff, anyway?).
I think that inconvienence is worth the benefit.
that facebook either turns people into idiots, or has a knack for bringing out their inner idiot.
If any of you have not seen Mitchell & Webb, have a look at the first 2 mins of this. Very appropriate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgX6JFoV0TM
Is 19 really allowed to be called a teenager. I mean yeah, he's in his teens technically but... Ooooh, a squirrel!
Wait. You mean those Mafia Wars recruitment messages don't intend for me to *actually* kill the guy??? Oh, crap.
What a moron... An ad like this obviously belongs on Craigslist.
Typical emotional lib response. How about you cite some facts that show how citizens carrying legally is some danger to themselves and others? You don't because you can't, and you completely ignored the link I provided to Professor Kleck's research. BTW, he's a card-carrying ACLU lib, not some NRA guy.
/. And get a gun.
The fact is that states which have passed "shall issue" CCW laws have seen their crime rates drop, and there has been no evidence of people misusing the guns. The permit revocations are so small it's a rounding error, and usually related to something other than the gun itself (being convicted of an unrelated crime.).
So go ahead, and CITE some reality or STFU. "Googling" is not research. Of course the media plays up the relatively small amount of gun accidents - they are anti-gun, and involve a "shooting" bias (99% of self-defense uses of firearms do not involve an actual shooting, so of course they don't show up in Google).
Again, go read Professor Kleck's research and learn about the millions of self-defense uses of firearms a year that never involve an actual shooting, and therefore do not get any media attention.
And if you want to be left alone, don't post dumb things on
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So many on Slashdot claim to be science brains, yet just talk out of their asses instead of citing research.
Professor Gary Kleck's findings on defensive gun uses.
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