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New Android Malware Robs Bandwidth For Fake Searches

adeelarshad82 writes "We've been hearing about various Android malware spreading through the Chinese markets. Well, here's another one to look out for: meet ADRD (aka Trojan:Android/Adrd.A) which is expert in sucking your bandwidth. The malware downloads a list of search URLs and then performs those searches at random in the background, which as the screen shots [in the linked article] show leads to excessive data charges. Similar to other Android malware this too is distributed through wallpapers which are infected repackaged versions of legit wallpapers." Adds reader Trailrunner7: "Lookout, a mobile security vendor, said it has identified 14 instances of the malware repackaging itself in various wallpaper apps and specifically in the popular game RoboDefense, made available in alternative application markets. The trojan works by duping an infected app into sending encrypted data containing the device’s IMEI and IMSI to a remote host. HongTouTou then receives a set of search engine target URIs and search keywords to send as queries. It then uses these keywords to emulate search processes, creating searches in the search engine yielding the top results for those keywords and clicking on specific results. To the search engine, the searches appear to be coming from a mobile user using a mobile web browser with User-Agent corresponding to the UCWeb browser."

236 comments

  1. So remind me again... by Nova+Express · · Score: 1, Troll

    ...why Apple's "Walled Garden" for the iPhone is such a bad thing?

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    1. Re:So remind me again... by vinng86 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The iOS app store can have it's fair share of malware too. It's easy to hide snooping software behind a simple game for example. In fact, all apps can access the contacts list, recent youtube searches, email settings and even non-password field keystrokes. When developers submit apps they only submit the binary and not the source code so Apple's app approval monkeys basically only cover what they can see. This "walled garden" argument is stupid for this reason.

    2. Re:So remind me again... by tak+amalak · · Score: 2

      Apparently

      mkdir android ; cd android ; repo init -u git://android.git.kernel.org/platform/manifest.git ; repo sync ; make

      is supposed to shut iPhone users up. Or something.

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    3. Re:So remind me again... by vux984 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ...why Apple's "Walled Garden" for the iPhone is such a bad thing?

      Because you can't choose not to use it.

      The non-story here is that people carelessly installing bad software from ALTERNATIVE android marketplaces got malware.

      Newsflash, if you want assurances of software without malware, don't shop at the internet equivalent of the chinatown night markets.

      If you want to be as safe as apple's walled garden, stay within the official marketplaces and you get that.

    4. Re:So remind me again... by genghisjahn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Then what's the difference between Apple's app store and the Official Market Place? If I have one official app store to choose from and hundreds of malware infected stores...how is that a choice?

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    5. Re:So remind me again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So... stick to Google's walled garden?

    6. Re:So remind me again... by Draek · · Score: 2

      Because there's nothing preventing another trusted store to open up, as it happened with Palm, Java-capable dumbphones and hell, even desktops PCs. With Apple, it's their way or the highway and if you don't like it too bad so sad, now try to find a security bug to exploit so you can gain control of your own goddamned phone.

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    7. Re:So remind me again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Because you can't choose not to use it."
      http://cydia.saurik.com/

    8. Re:So remind me again... by genghisjahn · · Score: 1

      Trusted by who? How do I know an alternate Android market place is legit?

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    9. Re:So remind me again... by thetartanavenger · · Score: 2

      I'd rather have hundreds of alternative malware infected stores than to let someone else tell me what I can or cannot install. That's the choice.

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    10. Re:So remind me again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the fact that it's a troll makes it a troll.

    11. Re:So remind me again... by genghisjahn · · Score: 1

      Attention Anonymous Cowards! Let sleeping dogs lie, okay? Don't give 'em an excuse.

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    12. Re:So remind me again... by genghisjahn · · Score: 0

      But you can have approved apps on the Apple appstore and write your own apps and install them. Just join the developer program ($99), write your xCode and install it on your phone. Bam! Mr. Jobs doesn't come and tell you you can't do it. It's legit.

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    13. Re:So remind me again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because you can't choose not to use it.


      That's not entirely true. Neither the Developer Enterprise Program, nor Ad-hoc Distribution require going through the AppStore. However, both impose some distribution limitations. For the EP, you can only distribute "in house", while Ad-hoc imposes a 100 device limit per developer account.

    14. Re:So remind me again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How do you know the 'official' marketplace is legit?

    15. Re:So remind me again... by Draek · · Score: 2

      The same way you know a software download website is legit: word-of-mouth, user reviews, past experiences, the trust of other websites you already trusted beforehand and so on.

      You know, the same way you got to trust Our Holiness Stevie in the first place, as I doubt you were his classmate in high school or such.

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    16. Re:So remind me again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well... At least Android has some alternative security apps, such as DroidWall:
      http://code.google.com/p/droidwall/

      I don't think iOS has any equally powerful firewall apps.

    17. Re:So remind me again... by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you stick to the market for android you would not get these trojans either. The fact that you are not forced too is a good thing.

    18. Re:So remind me again... by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Because Amazon could start another legit market, or maybe you could write your own apps?

    19. Re:So remind me again... by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So how do I do that without paying Mr. Jobs for the privilege of using something I already bought?

    20. Re:So remind me again... by clang_jangle · · Score: 1, Interesting

      If you're a registered iOS dev you have a CC on file with Apple. Doesn't make it impossible for malware authors, but it appears to raise the bar enough. No-one wants to pay Apple just to end up banned for shenanigans.
      I still feel my Blackberry is the best device for security, but then we're pretty much all forced to use relatively insecure networks so maybe it's not the biggest deal.

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    21. Re:So remind me again... by Lucky75 · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the privilege of writing an Apple App. And then for the privilege of selling it.

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    22. Re:So remind me again... by Lucky75 · · Score: 1

      Except you don't need to root your android phone to install alternative apps. Of course you can do it if you have root access.

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    23. Re:So remind me again... by h4rr4r · · Score: 0

      You left out the mac you have to buy to be allowed to even attempt such a thing.

    24. Re:So remind me again... by shoehornjob · · Score: 0

      ..why Apple's "Walled Garden" for the iPhone is such a bad thing?

      The parent should not have been modded down by some android lovin fanboy as he has a valid point. I don't always agree with walled gardens but if you figure how much sensitive information is on these phones it looks like a good idea for some people. Disclaimer Yes I do own the current Iphone and no I am no fanboy. Considering all the bad shit I've seen about smartphones I think this is my last.

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    25. Re:So remind me again... by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you want to be as safe as apple's walled garden, stay within the official marketplaces and you get that.

      The other alternative would be if the OS asked for user permission before an application could access the internet (just one time, not every time). This is what my old Nokia (running Symbian) used to do. It works the same way as how the iPhone prompts to allow programs to use location services.

      I am more worried that a program leaks data or uses all my download quota much more than whether it knows where I am.

    26. Re:So remind me again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you're a registered iOS dev you have a CC on file with Apple.

      And surely the large, well-financed criminal organizations behind most modern malware could never possibly obtain a credit card number that's not their own.

    27. Re:So remind me again... by ducomputergeek · · Score: 1

      Really? Because the last time I checked, most Android phones had to be rooted if you wanted to install the latest versions of the OS.

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    28. Re:So remind me again... by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      I've often wondered about this. Couldn't one start a shell company, or some kind of Co-op, "hire" all their friends or anybody who wanted to run their software, and distribute apps to basically anyone, completely going around Apple for app distribution?

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    29. Re:So remind me again... by Americano · · Score: 1

      As always, I'm gobsmacked by the openness!

    30. Re:So remind me again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do I have to already be a trendy hipster, or will that come with owning all the Apple products? Do I at least get a turtleneck for my $99?

    31. Re:So remind me again... by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      It's $99 to sign up as a developer. As long as you make more than $99 before you get banned, you're coming out ahead.

    32. Re:So remind me again... by adolf · · Score: 3, Informative

      Pre-paid Visa cards are available at Wal-Mart for $3.

      Becoming an IOS dev costs, what, $99?

      So it costs just $102, then, to get a shot at pushing some malware which will hopefully make the author(s) some money. This really isn't a very high bar.

    33. Re:So remind me again... by willy_me · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The other alternative would be if the OS asked for user permission before an application could access the internet (just one time, not every time).

      Not very effective because almost all applications use the internet - at least a little. What would be good is if the application made a request to use the internet and provided an estimated maximum amount used in the dialog. For example, screensaver X requests to use the internet and estimates that it will use under 2MB per month. Now the user knows more about what is happening and the OS can ensure the app does not break it's promise. Advanced settings might even allow the user to restrict the application to specific domains.

      While this does not offer a complete solution, it would help prevent apps from running up usage charges.

    34. Re:So remind me again... by dudpixel · · Score: 1

      The walled garden is not perfect either (how could it be?).

      I believe there is a happy medium...and Google would do well to find a solution to this problem before we all require anti-virus apps on our android phones.
      They went after something like the windows model, but surely we dont want to copy ALL of it...

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    35. Re:So remind me again... by ducomputergeek · · Score: 1

      Certainly you can choose not to use it: don't buy an iPhone if you don't like their walled garden approach.

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    36. Re:So remind me again... by dudpixel · · Score: 1

      shopping on an app store that contains infected apps is not a guarantee that your phone will get malware on it.

      The golden rule is "dont download apps you dont trust".

      that said, it would make me wary of anything on those alternative stores...

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    37. Re:So remind me again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because you can't choose not to use it.

      Great, another liar trying to claim that steve jobs personally came to your house and held a gun to your head and forced you to buy an iPhone.

      Get over yourself, you have all the choice in the world to use it or not.

    38. Re:So remind me again... by monkyyy · · Score: 0

      ive herd of scams that pull 100 dollars out per person

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    39. Re:So remind me again... by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      if you want to take on the legally precarious position of technically being a bunch of people's employer go right ahead.

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    40. Re:So remind me again... by SCPRedMage · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, because installing third party firmware is EXACTLY like installing applications, which is what the thread has been about.

      YES, you need to root most Android phones in order to install third party firmware, such as CyanogenMod. NO, you do not need to root your Android phone in order to install apps that haven't been explicitly allowed by the phone's manufacturer, included alternative app stores.

      Protip: Strawman arguments work significantly better when they aren't so bloody obvious.

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    41. Re:So remind me again... by clang_jangle · · Score: 2

      As I said, it appears to be high enough. Anyone can put together malware for android and get it distributed with no investment other than the time and effort it takes. To put an app in Apple's store is not only not free, it's also not a sure thing your app will be approved. And finally, there is no money in Android, whereas quite a number of people do make a living developing iOS apps.

      Of course, the fact that there is very little malware for iOS and tons of it for Android tends to confirm it as well. Personally, I love Linux and think it's a damned shame that Android becomes the first widely-distributed, mainstream version, because it's really a crappy OS security-wise.

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    42. Re:So remind me again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are right. Sell your computer and buy and Xbox or a Playstation. No more trojan for you.
      But if you don't matter, I will keep my PC and my Android.

    43. Re:So remind me again... by clang_jangle · · Score: 0

      Oh yeah? Where'd ya git that there herd? I might want to pick one up fer mahsayelf.

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    44. Re:So remind me again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, the fact that there is very little malware for iOS and tons of it for Android tends to confirm it as well.

      [Citation Needed]

    45. Re:So remind me again... by macs4all · · Score: 1

      The iOS app store can have it's fair share of malware too. It's easy to hide snooping software behind a simple game for example. In fact, all apps can access the contacts list, recent youtube searches, email settings and even non-password field keystrokes. When developers submit apps they only submit the binary and not the source code so Apple's app approval monkeys basically only cover what they can see. This "walled garden" argument is stupid for this reason.

      However, although you may very well be correct about the technical potential being there; why don't we keep seeing a monthly parade of the same sort of stories of ACTUAL, REAL-WORLD examples of THEORETICAL iOS vulnerabilities ACTUALLY being exploited to steal user data, like we do with Android?

      Maybe something to do with the fact that the DEVS. must first REGISTER with Apple, before they can get their App. even CONSIDERED for inclusion in the iOS App Store. That process alone apparently is enough (I would wager even without Apple's code review process) to make crooks think twice about even TRYING to publish malware on the App Store.

      Kind of the same reason why a bank robber (at least a sane one) would never attempt to rob at gunpoint, the bank at which he has an account.

    46. Re:So remind me again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And finally, there is no money in Android, whereas quite a number of people do make a living developing iOS apps.

      [Another Citation Needed]

    47. Re:So remind me again... by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 1

      Same for the Android marketplace - they do a credit background check on all publishers.

      Oh wait - this is a Chinese app store and I doubt many of the submitters even have credit.

    48. Re:So remind me again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      here and here, retard.

    49. Re:So remind me again... by Wallslide · · Score: 1

      If you want to be as safe as apple's walled garden, stay within the official marketplaces and you get that.

      The other alternative would be if the OS asked for user permission before an application could access the internet (just one time, not every time).

      Android already does this. When installing an app, it displays all the permissions an app can use, and you get to accept or reject the app at that point. After accepting and then installing the application you no longer get prompted. Network Access is one of the permissions that must be requested by the app.

    50. Re:So remind me again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Capitalization jackassery aside, there are several possible explanations. You are making a whole bunch of UNREASONABLE simplifying assumptions about the situation. And actually, you do have to register with Google to publish in the Android Market Place, which is actually irrelevant because the malware from this story was distributed though a DIFFERENT *stomps foot* NON-GOOGLE app store. For one, you don't have to buy a Google computer or Android phone to do any sort of development for Android. So it's quite a bit simpler to do security work on Android. Plus, you don't have to worry about Apple's overly litigious nature, a nature which helps keep zero day vulnerabilities undisclosed and unfixed. Given the very, very closed iOS environment, it is likely much easier to keep malware hidden and undiscovered.

      Why would someone trying to publish malware in the iOS App Store have to use their real identity? I'm fairly sure any successful malware distributor can get some fake credentials past Apple. Why would someone attempting to publish malware in the iOS App Store have any sort of attachment to any specific account with Apple? So your malware is discovered, your app is removed, and your account is no longer valid. Move on to the next set of fake credentials you have.

    51. Re:So remind me again... by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Yes, because installing third party firmware is EXACTLY like installing applications, which is what the thread has been about.

      It is when you have to install the firmware to run the applications.

      YES, you need to root most Android phones in order to install third party firmware, such as CyanogenMod. NO, you do not need to root your Android phone in order to install apps that haven't been explicitly allowed by the phone's manufacturer.

      You do if they will not run on your shipped version of the OS.

      Protip: Strawman arguments work significantly better when they aren't so bloody obvious.

      Protip: When you blow on the straw and find brick underneath - that ain't straw.

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    52. Re:So remind me again... by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

      For example, screensaver X requests to use the internet and estimates that it will use under 2MB per month. Now the user knows more about what is happening and the OS can ensure the app does not break it's promise.

      And you guys wonder why Apple gets such a large marketshare...

      And now I see how the UAC got to be the way it was, over many discussions of what is "reasonable" just like that one.

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    53. Re:So remind me again... by wesleyjconnor · · Score: 1

      Cant you jailbreak iphone's, and install whatever you want, just by clicking on a weblink nowadays?

    54. Re:So remind me again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, no kidding.

      So, how many times has it happened?

    55. Re:So remind me again... by mjwx · · Score: 1

      ...why Apple's "Walled Garden" for the iPhone is such a bad thing?

      Because it doesn't work. Worse yet in instils a false sense of security in its users.

      There is nothing stopping the same kind of attack in IOS, in fact like Android its designed to allow programs access to the internet. Instead of being aware of security issues, you're relying on someone else to spot all the badness in the world for you and it's not like Apple have let malicious programs into their walled garden before.

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    56. Re:So remind me again... by TrancePhreak · · Score: 1

      No. The Android walled garden can only be broken by the user. It is a conscious decision that requires modifying the settings.

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    57. Re:So remind me again... by wesleyjconnor · · Score: 1

      Depending whether or not the almighty Apple decides to let your app onto the market.

    58. Re:So remind me again... by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Steve Chang with Trend Micro already stated that because of the open nature of Droid, it's more susceptible to malware.

      http://androidroid.com/trend-micro-android-much-less-secure-than-iphone/

      I've tried the trial version of Trend Micro Mobile Security. So far, it found nothing on my phone, and it lead to some instability causing my phone to reboot. Needless to say, I yanked it off before completing the trial (few days into it) and the problem went away. So being snake bitten by this genre of anti-virus software, I plan on doing without for now. I'll just have to be uber careful with what I install on my Droid. On a phone of all things *sigh*.

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    59. Re:So remind me again... by bonch · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The iOS app store can have it's fair share of malware too.

      And yet, despite having vastly more apps than Android, it doesn't.

      This "walled garden" argument is stupid for this reason.

      You just don't like it because you can't actually refute it. The track records speaks for itself compared to Android.

    60. Re:So remind me again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why Canonical's app store will always be better than Apple's :D

    61. Re:So remind me again... by bonch · · Score: 1

      Because you can't choose not to use it.

      What? Yes you can. Don't buy an iPhone.

      The non-story here is that people carelessly installing bad software from ALTERNATIVE android marketplaces got malware.

      So how is restricting yourself to an official marketplace different from having one iOS store? You're arguing in favor of a walled garden!

      I love how Slashdot bashed Windows for over a decade about its malware, but when malware happens to a Linux-based OS, it's deemed a "non-story."

    62. Re:So remind me again... by monkyyy · · Score: 0

      it was gossip so it may(probably) be much less but it was said to be 100 from a second or third hand, but from a children's app that when it first runs it asks them to buy one of those other expensive apps, so while it got first "bought"(y apple requires passwords for free apps i`ll never know) and assuming the parent just hands it to the child right then the child ignores the text and clicks yes, then download; its not illegal its definitely a scam

      i wouldnt put it pass apple ignoring the "MY CHILD SPENT MORE MONEY THEN I THOUGHT PLEASE GIVE ME MONEY BACK" pleas saying "we hear that all the time just punish ur child" and not checking to see if any of them hold water

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    63. Re:So remind me again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, sure, that'll happen. Keep dreaming.

      Also, your delusions about apple are entirely inaccurate - way to demonstrate that you know nothing about it.

    64. Re:So remind me again... by Anthony+Mouse · · Score: 2

      Good job using 'iOS malware' as the search query. It returns under 1.4 million hits compared to the 7 million some odd for 'android malware'.

      Trouble is 'iphone malware' returns 71 million hits.

    65. Re:So remind me again... by JimboG · · Score: 2

      Android already does this. When installing an app, it displays all the permissions an app can use, and you get to accept or reject the app at that point. After accepting and then installing the application you no longer get prompted. Network Access is one of the permissions that must be requested by the app.

      It would be nice to have some granular control. I often install apps, which for some reason or other require internet access to begin with - but don't need it after that for any reason. There isn't an option to block an app from accessing the net once it has been granted/installed.

    66. Re:So remind me again... by adolf · · Score: 4, Informative

      Perhaps the problem is simply that it isn't widely publicized. Please allow me to attempt to rectify that:

      Hey, malware authors! You can pounce on unsuspecting iPhone owners for only $102! All you need to do is get a disposable pre-paid Visa from Wal-Mart, and pay Apple $99 for a disposable dev account! And remember, kids, it takes money to make money! Happy phishing!

      There. That should do it.

    67. Re:So remind me again... by Anthony+Mouse · · Score: 1

      "Because you can't choose not to use it."
      http://cydia.saurik.com/

      Right, so you root your iPhone and then you get iPhone malware.

      People keep talking about walled garden etc. I don't know if anybody has ever heard about this method I use: It's called "don't run binaries from untrustworthy places" and it's been working pretty well for about as long as I can remember.

    68. Re:So remind me again... by aztektum · · Score: 1

      I chose to not use it by not buying an Apple device :-/

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    69. Re:So remind me again... by Anthony+Mouse · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What? Yes you can. Don't buy an iPhone.

      OK done. Now how do I make an iPhone app and distribute it to all the iPhone users who want it if Apple doesn't like my app?

      So how is restricting yourself to an official marketplace different from having one iOS store? You're arguing in favor of a walled garden!

      I love how Slashdot bashed Windows for over a decade about its malware, but when malware happens to a Linux-based OS, it's deemed a "non-story."

      One of the big reasons "real" Linux doesn't get malware is that it uses a package manager for most software installation. If you download some random binary from the internet, it doesn't have the execute bit set by default so you double click on it and it doesn't run. But if you know what you're doing you can flip the bit and run it, without breaking any laws or anything. It's like having the garden without the walls.

      Now Apple comes in with this "walled garden" approach and I feel like you're conflating the two. Gardens are good. Walls are bad.

    70. Re:So remind me again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For example, screensaver X requests to use the internet and estimates that it will use under 2MB per month. Now the user knows more about what is happening and the OS can ensure the app does not break it's promise.

      It takes less than 0.001MB to send all your personal data somewhere.

    71. Re:So remind me again... by Maritz · · Score: 0

      Yes Apple did only decide to name it that relatively recently, stealing another Cisco trademark (Iphone and IOS)

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    72. Re:So remind me again... by macs4all · · Score: 0

      Capitalization jackassery aside, there are several possible explanations. You are making a whole bunch of UNREASONABLE simplifying assumptions about the situation. And actually, you do have to register with Google to publish in the Android Market Place, which is actually irrelevant because the malware from this story was distributed though a DIFFERENT *stomps foot* NON-GOOGLE app store.

      And yet, the Androids count all the fly-by-night "App Stores" as an advantage for Android...

      For one, you don't have to buy a Google computer or Android phone to do any sort of development for Android. So it's quite a bit simpler to do security work on Android.

      I submit that you will, at some point, have to buy an Android phone (and maybe more than one!) to actually debug your App. Your comment regarding a "Google computer" is of course, a non-sequitur.

      BTW, you don't necessarily have to buy an iOS device of any kind to do iOS development. You see, Apple provides (as part of the $99 Dev License) a (all together now) debugger and emulator. People actually can do iOS development without purchasing a single iOS device. Unless you are willing to violate Apple's licensing for OS X, you do have to scare up an Intel Mac. So what? They start at under $300 on eBay...

      Plus, you don't have to worry about Apple's overly litigious nature, a nature which helps keep zero day vulnerabilities undisclosed and unfixed.

      LOLwut???

      Given the very, very closed iOS environment, it is likely much easier to keep malware hidden and undiscovered.

      It's really hard to discover something that doesn't exist. And, if something doesn't exist, there is hardly a need to "hide" it.

      Why would someone trying to publish malware in the iOS App Store have to use their real identity? I'm fairly sure any successful malware distributor can get some fake credentials past Apple. Why would someone attempting to publish malware in the iOS App Store have any sort of attachment to any specific account with Apple?

      Um, because you have to? An Apple ID (Apple Account) is required to not only be a developer, but also to submit Apps to the App Store. Next uninformed comment?

      So your malware is discovered, your app is removed, and your account is no longer valid. Move on to the next set of fake credentials you have.

      Yeah, and how many times do you need to do that to actually turn a reasonable profit?

    73. Re:So remind me again... by SCPRedMage · · Score: 1

      Except... wait... you DON'T have to install the firmware to run third party apps!

      So long as the application supports the version of Android your phone is running, you can run any damn app you want. IF the app needs a newer version of the OS, and IF the manufacturer won't update the phone, then yeah, you'll need to install a third-party fireware, which WILL require rooting your phone. But that's a compatibility issue, not a control issue.

      The G-G-GP's post was that the Android system will let you install any compatible app, include third-party app stores, that is compatible with the phone. Compare this to the iPhone, wherein you must jailbreak the thing to accomplish the same.

      The GP post was a strawman, because he was substituting an argument about firmware in a discussion about applications. Installing unsigned firmware is not the same as installing apps that haven't run through some approval process.

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    74. Re:So remind me again... by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      So long as the application supports the version of Android your phone is running, you can run any damn app you want.

      But that's exactly what I mean. With many apps making use of newer features, you are pretty much required to install an OS update within a year. For most Android devices, that will mean custom firmware versions because carriers have been mostly slow to let changes roll out.

      The GP post was a strawman, because he was substituting an argument about firmware in a discussion about applications.

      Since most phones will require a firmware update during the lifespan of the device, it's not a straw-man at all. It's a very real consideration for owning most Android devices.

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    75. Re:So remind me again... by SCPRedMage · · Score: 1

      Nice of you to not get the entire point I was trying to make, even after I explicitly stated it:

      But that's a compatibility issue, not a control issue.

      Apple restricting you to running only the apps they LET you is about control. Having to upgrade your firmware because an app you want to run uses newer features is about compatibility. The thread was about the CONTROL issue. The compatibility issue is a different, unrelated issue, and thus using it to argue the control issue is a blatant strawman.

      If an app won't run on your HTC Android phone, it's not because Google or HTC won't let you, it's because the app's developer didn't make it work. You might as well compare Windows 3.1 to the iPhone's "walled garden", because it won't run 64 bit applications.

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    76. Re:So remind me again... by Some+Bitch · · Score: 1

      If you stick to the market for android you would not get these trojans either. The fact that you are not forced too is a good thing.

      Indeed, the summary may as well have read "Pirated software downloads found to contain malware. In other news, water discovered to be wet, fire still hot, and France surrenders".

    77. Re:So remind me again... by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      From the article:

      "As of now, Lookout Security is only aware of the HongTouTou Trojan affecting users on Chinese forums. It does not affect any apps in their original versions available on the Google Android Market."

      In other words, only app pirates were affected.

    78. Re:So remind me again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, because installing third party firmware is EXACTLY like installing applications, which is what the thread has been about.

      YES, you need to root most Android phones in order to install third party firmware, such as CyanogenMod. NO, you do not need to root your Android phone in order to install apps that haven't been explicitly allowed by the phone's manufacturer, included alternative app stores.

      Protip: Strawman arguments work significantly better when they aren't so bloody obvious.

      Nevertheless that does NOT negate the REAL issue, which is that Chewbacca is a Wookie.

    79. Re:So remind me again... by CheerfulMacFanboy · · Score: 1

      The iOS app store can have it's fair share of malware too. It's easy to hide snooping software behind a simple game for example. In fact, all apps can access the contacts list, recent youtube searches, email settings and even non-password field keystrokes.

      So are you trying to claim that Android actually has a much higher market share than iOS because it is hit by more actual malware? Or are you just whistling in the woods?

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    80. Re:So remind me again... by ommerson · · Score: 1

      The hurdle of creating an application and getting it accepted is a much bigger factor than the cost of a developer subscription.

      Whilst you can of course submit variations of some generic application, Apple is taking an increasingly hard-line on apps with little apparent customer benefit, so they may well get rejected, the whole process taking about a week for each iteration.

      I would also not be surprised if Apple rejected developer account applications paid with pre-paid payment cards - they certainly check the bone-fides of corporate applications quite thoroughly. It's not hard to use a credit reference agency to validate a customer's identity once armed with a name and address.

    81. Re:So remind me again... by DrXym · · Score: 1

      ...why Apple's "Walled Garden" for the iPhone is such a bad thing?

      Because it is constraining, anti open source, anti consumer, anti competitive, highly restrictive, doesn't even carry certain kinds of apps, imposes limits on other kinds of apps.

      Yes there are bad things on the Internet but let's face it, unless you bought a shitty no name phone / tablet from a Chinese seller which was preloaded with some dubious alternative to Google Marketplace, you're *never* going to see this app. If by malice or misfortune it did turn up on Google Marketplace (or appslib or Amazon's tentative app store) it would probably get killed remotely.

      So preferring to sit in a golden cage for fear of scary things you're never going to meet seems like an overreaction. Kind of reminds me of people stuck in AOL for so long because the internet was so scary and difficult.

    82. Re:So remind me again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better add a Mac and iPhone to the list; you won't code an iAnything without those, you know.

    83. Re:So remind me again... by DrXym · · Score: 2

      As I said, it appears to be high enough. Anyone can put together malware for android and get it distributed with no investment other than the time and effort it takes. To put an app in Apple's store is not only not free, it's also not a sure thing your app will be approved. And finally, there is no money in Android, whereas quite a number of people do make a living developing iOS apps.

      Well if we're going to split hairs, it costs $25 to get a licence key to use Google marketplace, although it's free to develop apps if you shove the apks on your own site. Also, you claim there is no money to be made in Android which is strange seeing as an ever increasing number of popular and well known apps are appearing there.

      I certainly don't see $99 being ANY barrier to entry if a malware user wished to upload to appstore. If they make more than $99 then it's been a profitable exercise. I expect that malware could be hidden fairly easily too, e.g. within obfuscated / encrypted strings, or data files. Perhaps the malware would even start relatively innocuously doing what it's meant to do until some predetermined event (e.g. number of installs, date / time, remote command) kicks it off.

      Of course, the fact that there is very little malware for iOS and tons of it for Android tends to confirm it as well. Personally, I love Linux and think it's a damned shame that Android becomes the first widely-distributed, mainstream version, because it's really a crappy OS security-wise.

      I'm only aware of one high publicity case of malware on Marketplace and it was remotely killed. I also assume that Google have automated & manual security audits that they run over apps plus security teams doing analysis based on reports by users flagging apps as malicious. I assume apps are scanned as soon as they are uploaded to the store much as they probably are for the Apple Store. Depending on the threat they could retroactively kill an app, "upgrade" it into oblivion or otherwise neutralize it.

      So people are extremely unlikely to get malware. And even if there is a small chance, is the risk outweighed by the benefits of the freedom of choice offered? Just the fact that I can install Opera or Firefox or Flash or a host of other apps that don't see the light of day on iOS makes it worthwhile to use Android to me.

      As for security, Android has quite good security. Firstly Android uses Linux style security - processes run with their own user / group ids to stop them interfering with processes / files and there is a fine grained security model built into Dalvik too. I think it could be improved, e.g. UAC style controls of "untrusted" apps would be a huge benefit, and it would be nice if FAT32 SD cards could benefit from some kind of ACL extensions to enforce permissions. But claiming it has crappy security is not understanding what it has in the first place.

    84. Re:So remind me again... by DrXym · · Score: 1

      The iOS app store can have it's fair share of malware too. It's easy to hide snooping software behind a simple game for example. In fact, all apps can access the contacts list, recent youtube searches, email settings and even non-password field keystrokes [cnet.com]. When developers submit apps they only submit the binary and not the source code so Apple's app approval monkeys basically only cover what they can see. This "walled garden" argument is stupid for this reason.

      I also expect the approval process is more geared to validating an app "works" and doesn't violate the ever-shifting, wibbly-wobbly, pernicious T&Cs. On the security side they probably just run the app through a scanner of some sort that looks for suspicious code which flags the app for human security review. I expect Android Marketplace works in a similar fashion when it comes to security reviews although they don't especially care about the app's quality or what it does (although it can't be a rival marketplace / distribution store).

    85. Re:So remind me again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [citation needed]

      [another citation needed]

      Neither clever nor an adequate substitute for a refutation.

      FAIL!

    86. Re:So remind me again... by clang_jangle · · Score: 0

      No, I'm asking about the herd of malware you said kin git one hundred dollerrs per person. C'mon, you have a whole herd of 'em, sell me one!

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    87. Re:So remind me again... by CheerfulMacFanboy · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the problem is simply that it isn't widely publicized.

      There. That should do it.

      If that doesn't work, you can always write malware to spread the word.

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    88. Re:So remind me again... by CheerfulMacFanboy · · Score: 1

      ...why Apple's "Walled Garden" for the iPhone is such a bad thing?

      Because you can't choose not to use it.

      The non-story here is that people carelessly installing bad software from ALTERNATIVE android marketplaces got malware.

      Well, good thing there have never been malware apps on the NONALTERNATIVE Android Marketplace then. No, wait. Oh, well, at least Google could remote wipe them from your phone.

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    89. Re:So remind me again... by BasilBrush · · Score: 2

      The iOS app store can have it's fair share of malware too. It's easy to hide snooping software behind a simple game for example. In fact, all apps can access the contacts list, recent youtube searches, email settings and even non-password field keystrokes. When developers submit apps they only submit the binary and not the source code so Apple's app approval monkeys basically only cover what they can see.

      And yet we aren't seeing iOS malware like we're seeing Android malware. So why is that?

      Well don't underestimate the app store reviewers. They found an app crash bug in my app which neither me or my partner had found in testing. Could be chance, but it was deep enough down and involved changing settings, that I'm assured they are exercising the app enough to have a good understanding of it's functionality.

      Then, if you use ANY non-public API calls in your app, it will be rejected. Which means that Apple are running a static analysis of the code, which is looking what APIs you call. So if they are doing that in order to filter out non-public API calls, it seems likely the tool also highlights potentially abusable API calls. So if you're trying to access the contacts list or send an SMS from a game for example, then they can catch that.

      I'm suggesting it's a parallel to the permissions that Android apps ask for upon installing. But it's far better because the API calls are judged by a specialist (an app store reviewer) rather than an average smartphone user who doesn't know squat. And because that one specialist can save the entire userbase from the danger and the waste of time of downloading/reviewing/using the malware.

      And of course every time a new kind of threat is thought up or discovered, the processes and tools that the app reviewers use can be improved to be more certain of catching those threats in future.

      Again, the proof is in what's happening in the wild. Despite there being many more iOS apps than Android apps, the list of Android malware is ever growing. For non-jailbroken iOS, there isn't any.

    90. Re:So remind me again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until you realize the boot loader is locked down on your google-sponsored, telco-provided, mobile computing device. You still don't own it, so the fact that Android runs a Linux kernel is actually a travesty, not a benefit -- akin to TiVo.

    91. Re:So remind me again... by BasilBrush · · Score: 3, Informative

      And going by the top 10 hits, not a single one affects non-jailbroken iPhones.

    92. Re:So remind me again... by BasilBrush · · Score: 2

      Cisco lost the iPhone trademark through non-use before Apple started using it. And Apple licensed the iOS trademark from Cisco.

      So in neither case can it be described as stealing. Was that a troll, or are you just ill-informed?

    93. Re:So remind me again... by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Most people would take the other choice. 300,000 app choices with safety is better than 300,000 app choices from multiple stores, with some of it being malware.

      The openness at the expense of all other considerations is an extreme ideology that one doesn't see much outside the pages of Slashdot.

    94. Re:So remind me again... by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      You don't. Who the fuck cares about your own personal rules about what you will program on and what you won't. Go with the Android if that floats your boat. Its not as if there are any shortage of iOS app developers who are prepared to spend $99.

    95. Re:So remind me again... by BasilBrush · · Score: 2

      I love how Slashdot bashed Windows for over a decade about its malware, but when malware happens to a Linux-based OS, it's deemed a "non-story."

      My thoughts exactly. The article is about a new Android trojan, and yet no one in the comments is discussing it: what is is, how it works, how to fix things so this kind of threat is lessened in future etc.

      Instead, it's all discussion of Apple's App Store. Either the slashdot regulars are a bunch of dishonest ideologues who are trying to distract everyone from criticism of their favoured platform. Or it's that Apple is just far more interesting to discuss than Android.

    96. Re:So remind me again... by intheshelter · · Score: 1

      It's not "either-or". He's a stupid troll.

    97. Re:So remind me again... by intheshelter · · Score: 1

      So now you're trying to drum up malware business for iOS to make the Android world look less shitty? Pretty lame.

    98. Re:So remind me again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That, of course, is precisely the point. Many dozens of malware apps on Android, one or two so far on iOS. Proof, pudding, etc. The android fanbois are just as stupid and irrational as any other type.

    99. Re:So remind me again... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Neither clever nor an adequate substitute for a refutation.

      Requiring evidence for a spurious assertion is the best refutation of all.

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    100. Re:So remind me again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, the fact that there is very little malware for iOS and tons of it for Android tends to confirm it as well.

      All it "confirms" is that malware authors don't want to get gay cooties. And the desire to avoid gay cooties is actually stronger than their desire for profit.

      It's possible.

    101. Re:So remind me again... by intheshelter · · Score: 1

      Let's not forget the fact that you may not be able to upgrade your OS on Android because the carriers tend to F*** their users. Not inherently an Android caused problem, but it IS an Android uer's reality. There is something to be said for Apple's approach of free available updates that don't require you to hack your phone to install. It really all depends on how you choose to look at the issue, you can spin this either way, but each platform has good and bad points to it right now. In the end it's Android that seems to be the new Windows (with respect to malware) and the Android lovers are going to have to come to terms with that reality. Luckily you won't have to root your phone to buy McAfee Android Edition and use 30% of your processor power to protect your phone. . . .

    102. Re:So remind me again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did not realize that the non-locked down bootloader on my Nexus One was locked down. Thanks for informing me.

    103. Re:So remind me again... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Better add a Mac and iPhone to the list; you won't code an iAnything without those, you know.

      You could buy one of each using the same stolen credit that you paid for your developer's license with.

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    104. Re:So remind me again... by morgauxo · · Score: 1

      Because you can't opt out of it. Sure, it's a tough world out there and some people are better off with their hands held. That's no reason that the person who paid for the phone shouldn't get to make that decision. Android will not let you install things from outside the market until you check a box on a window which contains a warning that this might be dangerous. I think that is a good balance and if some people hang themselves with that rope then that is their problem.

      Yes, I know most phones are subsidized but you pay for that subsidy by ceding your right to switch carriers. Or you pay the penalty fee if you switch anyway. That is still a payment.

    105. Re:So remind me again... by Reapman · · Score: 1

      We're talking about an unofficial market place for android, I'm not sure how that's really different then downloading 3rd party iOS software like I used to with my jailbroken iPhone....

      But ya, enjoy your walled garden comforted in the fact Steve Jobs is protecting you while you sleep. Sort of like people that install Linux and say they are unhackable

    106. Re:So remind me again... by Draek · · Score: 1

      And you guys wonder why Apple gets such a large marketshare...

      What large marketshare?

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    107. Re:So remind me again... by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Then what's the difference between Apple's app store and the Official Market Place?

      If I have one official app store to choose from and hundreds of malware infected stores...how is that a choice?

      The fact that there are hundreds of malware infected stores doesn't mean that there aren't several reputable stores.

      You can buy Adidas runners at the actual Adidas store... or you can walk into any other shoe store at the mall and safely buy shoes. But if you wander into a Chinese night market... the "Adidas runners" might be a cheap knockoff.

      Would you prefer to live in a world with one legal shoe store simply because their are hundreds of chinese night markets that often carry poorly made low quality crap?

    108. Re:So remind me again... by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Doesn't really help. If the malware is wrapped into a game with an online leaderboard its going to ask for internet permissions legitimately.

    109. Re:So remind me again... by vux984 · · Score: 1

      So how is restricting yourself to an official marketplace different from having one iOS store? You're arguing in favor of a walled garden!

      Google may back the official android marketplace, but suppose valve/steam hosted one... I'd trust that one. Or if GoG did... I'd trust that one too. If Amazon did... that one might be trustworthy if they vetted its contents. If Futureshop / BestBuy had one, I'd feel pretty comfortable there too.

      A community one for GPL software... I'm sure a trustworthy one would arise.

      If my brother wrote an app and sent it to me, I'd trust it. Naturally I'd trust anything I wrote...

    110. Re:So remind me again... by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Well, good thing there have never been malware apps on the NONALTERNATIVE Android Marketplace then.

      No marketplace is 100% safe from malware apps. If you want 100% safety from malware apps don't download apps period.

      But that's really beside the point.

    111. Re:So remind me again... by toriver · · Score: 1

      Well, the code can run in an emulator.

      Do you add a PC to the cost of developing for Windows? What about the cost of the house you sit in while coding? The food you eat while coding?

    112. Re:So remind me again... by toriver · · Score: 1

      Or people who shop at a security-guarded mall instead of tempting fate by going downtown.

    113. Re:So remind me again... by toriver · · Score: 1

      And the house you need to sit in comfort while coding.

    114. Re:So remind me again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Despite there being many more iOS apps than Android apps, the list of Android malware is ever growing. For non-jailbroken iOS, there isn't any.

      Why don't you do some research before making your bullshit claims? From the article I linked (which you apparently didn't bother to read):

      The threat is not theoretical. Several iPhone apps have been pulled from the App Store after being found to be harvesting user data, intentionally or unintentionally. A game called Aurora Feint was uploading all the user contacts to the developer's server, and salespeople from Swiss road traffic information app MogoRoad were calling customers who downloaded the app. Game app Storm8 was sued last fall for allegedly harvesting customer phone numbers without permission, but it later stopped that practice. And users also complained that Pinch Media, an analytics framework used by developers, was collecting data about customer phones.

    115. Re:So remind me again... by h4rr4r · · Score: 0

      I already have one of those. I can code for android and many other OSes on the machines I already own.

    116. Re:So remind me again... by vinng86 · · Score: 1

      I did not even mention anything about marketshare nor did I imply that malware has anything to do with it. I'm merely pointing out that Apple's walled garden approach is basically useless unless they screen the source code of every app submission (a truly gargantuan task). App approval has it's strengths but by no means is it impervious to malware.

    117. Re:So remind me again... by vinng86 · · Score: 1

      You just don't like it because you can't actually refute it. The track records speaks for itself compared to Android.

      Actually, I very much can refute it :) Please see Aurora Feintand Storm 8. And that's just the high profile ones. If a platform can have software written for it, you can guarantee there will be at least some malware written for it.

    118. Re:So remind me again... by vinng86 · · Score: 1

      You don't see stories because you may not even know about malware hidden behind a facade. For example, Storm 8 was once sending customer phone numbers to themselves without their knowledge. Storm 8 games do a lot of interaction with their servers so it was rather trivial for them to get it past the App Store censors. What I like about android however is that it at leasts tells you what permissions it requires and if it doesn't ask for it the app will not be able to access the relevant section. A wallpaper app for example should not have camera+gps access.

    119. Re:So remind me again... by CheerfulMacFanboy · · Score: 1

      I did not even mention anything about marketshare nor did I imply that malware has anything to do with it. I'm merely pointing out that Apple's walled garden approach is basically useless unless they screen the source code of every app submission (a truly gargantuan task). App approval has it's strengths but by no means is it impervious to malware.

      Sure. And yet Malware is about the only genre of apps where Android is clearly in the lead, even beating fart apps.

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    120. Re:So remind me again... by monkyyy · · Score: 0

      mal-bad
      ware-soft"ware"

      the scam is using a bad piece of software

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    121. Re:So remind me again... by toriver · · Score: 1

      So can I on my Mac. Did your PC "fall off a truck"? If you do not count the cost of the machine in case A, why do so in case B? Unless you consider owning a Windows PC to be mandatory?

    122. Re:So remind me again... by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      I don't have one of those either.

      I own a linux box, more than one actually. I count the cost of a mac because I would not buy a mac for any other reason. I do not need another PC, nor do I want one .

    123. Re:So remind me again... by toriver · · Score: 1

      Well, perhaps you can count the cost of OS X - people are apparently running that virtualized on Linux and succeeding.

      http://stackoverflow.com/questions/276907/starting-iphone-app-development-in-linux

    124. Re:So remind me again... by adolf · · Score: 1

      So now you're trying to drum up malware business for iOS to make the Android world look less shitty? Pretty lame.

      Yes, of course. Everything's a conspiracy, isn't it? Everyone has an agenda to push. Everyone is a fan of something, and therefore an enemy of some other thing.

      My world is far more grey than that. And I could frankly give a shit less which mobile OS wins: In fact, my grey attitude is that I'd prefer that none of them do, so that we continue to have competition and innovation instead of stagnation, which should be good for everyone.

    125. Re:So remind me again... by dudpixel · · Score: 1

      well here is the issue, what anti-virus do you trust on android?

      when the claimed anti-virus apps perform worse than a virus, the situation just gets worse.

      So many people blindly run anti-virus apps that dont explain what they do...

      Given that no known viruses currently exist on android market, I'm not sure what these anti-virus apps do?

      Google cannot sit back and watch this issue...

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  2. We're Not Surprised by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 2

    It's not surprising that malware vendors are focusing on the fastest growing segment of the computer market. Android is going to be attacked with malicious intent from all sides. It's all part of the game: Success == Target

    I guess it's running fake searches to up the 'autofill' for items on Google? Let's just hope it's not searching for iPhone related items. Man, wouldn't that be embarrassing?

    1. Re:We're Not Surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not surprising that malware vendors are focusing on the fastest growing segment of the computer market. Android is going to be attacked with malicious intent from all sides. It's all part of the game: Success == Target

      The fact that it's an open and easy target makes it even less surprising!

    2. Re:We're Not Surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The fact that Android's highly permissive APIs enable developers to create background services that run indefinitely and without any obvious signs to end users might have something to do with it too...

    3. Re:We're Not Surprised by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      I agree useful stuff can be used for bad. There are two ways to deal with that though, get rid of useful stuff or try to manage any issues. I prefer to keep the useful stuff.

    4. Re:We're Not Surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The answer is frightening simple just don't use any downloaded wallpapers use your own you got a camera you gimp why panic

    5. Re:We're Not Surprised by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Note that the malware is not in the official Android Market either, it is in third-party add-on markets. Android lets you install apps from anywhere, including web pages and other apps. The price of this freedom is the possibility of installing malware.

      This is the price of freedom - the need for vigilance and not blindly trusting a wallpaper app that for some reason wants full internet access.

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    6. Re:We're Not Surprised by Merk42 · · Score: 1

      You're absolutely right, because no one releases closed-source malware on a closed source OS like Windows. Oh wait, you're full of shit.

    7. Re:We're Not Surprised by heathen_01 · · Score: 0

      No, its the price we pay for chosing an inferior operating system. No application should be able to hide its activity from the OS. The OS should also make it trivial to inspect what an application has done or is currently doing.

    8. Re:We're Not Surprised by Divebus · · Score: 2

      Missed the point: open was supposed to be much better than closed. Everyone said so. They still say so. Everyone else is more full of shit.

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    9. Re:We're Not Surprised by idontgno · · Score: 1

      >This is the price of freedom - the need for vigilance

      Truer words were never spoken.

      and not blindly trusting a wallpaper app that for some reason wants full internet access.

      Umm... yeah, that too.

      Seriously. If a mobile device owner wants to outsource responsibility for his device's security, there's always the "walled fruit garden". I guess we can be glad that many in-duh-viduals chose Apple, because we've seen the debacle they've made of the Net with their unpatched trojaned exploit-ridden PCs.

      Hmm. That's a bit of an epiphany. I've been mad at Apple for their wall and their control-freakery. I should really be grateful. They're not walling me out; they're walling the idiots in.

      (Cue "Flamebait" moderation in 5... 4...)

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  3. One serious question: Why? by zooblethorpe · · Score: 2

    So was this malware put together by, on on the orders of, a mobile company itself, seeking to boost revenues? What other reasons would there be for this malware to exist? Does simply searching for terms do something for SEO?

    Curious,

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    1. Re:One serious question: Why? by yuna49 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Thanks for asking this. I was left scratching my head after reading the blurb, too. Other than simple malicious behavior like draining batteries and running up account charges, is there some deeper purpose to this piece of crap?

    2. Re:One serious question: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I believe the intent is to improve the position of certain sites in search results.
      Though if that is the case, it would seem like a good way to find the person/people that wrote the virus.

    3. Re:One serious question: Why? by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      Perhaps it is supposed to do more but is buggy?

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    4. Re:One serious question: Why? by olsmeister · · Score: 1

      Good question. Or someone who owns a lot of Apple stock?

    5. Re:One serious question: Why? by adolf · · Score: 1

      Though if that is the case, it would seem like a good way to find the person/people that wrote the virus.

      This is not a virus.

    6. Re:One serious question: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looks like attempting to game the search engine. Move links to the malware to the top of the page.

    7. Re:One serious question: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Towards the bottom of the writeup it says the malware clicks on specific results. Search engines tend to watch what gets clicked on their results pages. For example, if result number 10 (the spam site) gets tons of clicks it could be moved up based on popularity.

    8. Re:One serious question: Why? by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 1

      Though if that is the case, it would seem like a good way to find the person/people that wrote the virus.

      This is not a virus.

      Thanks for reminding me of one of my favorite movies . . .

      Clouseau: Does your dog bite?

      Hotel Clerk: No.

      Clouseau: [bowing down to pet the dog] Nice doggie.

      [Dog barks and bites Clouseau in the hand]

      Clouseau: I thought you said your dog did not bite!

      Hotel Clerk: That is not my dog.

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      I am not a crackpot.
    9. Re:One serious question: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like the traffic is doing searches, so perhaps the goal is to visit certain sites to drive up their page view stats and increase display ad revenue.

    10. Re:One serious question: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many possibilities...

      SEO scammers could use this to inflate results artificially, and charge clients based on that
      Malware could click ads in search results, ads which pay to the owner of the malware
      Malware could click link to even more malicious software (similar to what's mentioned in the article)

      I don't really think it's the mobile company; they'd bake a feature like that in, not wait for someone to download it in a shady part of town.

    11. Re:One serious question: Why? by mynickslongerthanurs · · Score: 4, Informative

      To understand this one must first understand Baidu (the top Chinese search engine)'s business model.

      For a specific search term, the top results shown in Baidu search are paid for, which means the websites in question pay Baidu for prioritizing their sites and every time a user clicks the result (this may sound 'innovative' at first but I assure you it does more harm than good, considering putting names of random diseases in Baidu these days results in a full page of dodgy websites offering expensive (yet often ineffective) treatment courses).
      To increase revenue, Baidu encourages equally dodgy 'vendors' to lead users into clicking these links by giving a small kick-back for each successful hit. The whole thing sounds like borderline fraud to me but hell somehow it's legal.

      The trojan, HongTouTou (or 'Phantom Clicker'), is the result of such business model as a certain vendor tries to profit by creating artificial traffic.

      This an actual URL generated by the malware: http://wap.baidu.com/s?word=%E8%9D%8E%E5%AD%90&vit=uni&from=963a_w1 (don't click or you'll be generating revenue for them.)
      Notice the 'from' parameter, 963a_w1 being the vendor ID.

      An in-depth analysis can be found here:
      http://www.antiy.com/cn/news/android_adrd.htm
      Oh, Chinese language knowledge required.

    12. Re:One serious question: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't it obvious? For the lulz.

    13. Re:One serious question: Why? by idontgno · · Score: 1

      Click Fraud. Trojan authors are, or are working for, "advertising affiliates" that get paid per-click for clicks on advertisement links.

      SEO would be another good theory, but This Register article is calling it very specifically "click fraud", and indicates that the trojan is specifically targeting the ad network on the Baidu search engine. Maybe SEO might be a desired side-effect, since it also increases click-throughs from the search engine (plumping up the "popularity" metric).

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    14. Re:One serious question: Why? by Peeteriz · · Score: 1

      At the very least, it's easy to undo or even reverse any SEO effect, even if the culprits can't be prosecuted.

    15. Re:One serious question: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The people use this to boost their malicious websites rankings in search results I assume.

  4. it's coming... by esoterus · · Score: 3, Funny

    McAfee for Droid... ugh

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    Not only does God definitely play dice, but He sometimes confuses us by throwing them where they can't be seen. -Hawking
    1. Re:it's coming... by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 1

      McAfee for Droid... ugh

      McAfee + Mobile Phone = Hot Brick In Your Pocket

      Stewie: Oh joy! I can't wait to get one

    2. Re:it's coming... by BLToday · · Score: 1

      Coming? It's already there. Search the Marketplace, there are already security applications. I think there's one from AVG.

    3. Re:it's coming... by snookiex · · Score: 1

      That would be great compared to the possibility to have Norton for Android. It gives me goosebumps just to think about it.

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    4. Re:it's coming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      New Pocket hand warmer app.

    5. Re:it's coming... by paintballer1087 · · Score: 1

      It's already here. There's also McAfee, AVG and various others available.

    6. Re:it's coming... by bbbaldie · · Score: 1

      Lookout, the discoverers of this Chinese crap app, is a free lightweight add-on which scans any app you install, as well as letting you track lost/stolen phones, doing back ups, and more. It's a great app, it should be the first Android app installed, IMHO, YMMV.

    7. Re:it's coming... by snookiex · · Score: 1

      But it's OK. They say its product is "Fast, light, and easy-to-use to use", so that must be true.

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  5. They're right by Divebus · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is PC vs Mac all over again.

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    Most of the stuff on /. won't survive first contact with facts.
  6. About time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good bye link farming, hello click farming.

  7. Re:Here we go. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's full of smug fanboys patting eachother on the back and there's no room left.

  8. It's here by alostpacket · · Score: 3, Informative

    They already (sadly) make it: http://blogs.mcafee.com/enterprise/mobile/mcafee-for-android-a-mobile-security-update

    Honestly though I'm tired of Lookout Mobile doing this fear mongering. I'll give them credit though, they are smart guys -- and based on their defcon presentation, they know a lot about Android sercurity. But stop with the scare tactic PR news stories. This would be akin to saying "Virus found on The Pirate Bay, news at 11." I know they need PR because they are a startup, but c'mon.

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  9. The imortant part of the article: by NMercy · · Score: 2

    "It does not affect any apps in their original versions available on the Google Android Market."

    So pretty much you stay away from the untrusted markets where they download the app from the trusted market, append virus, rinse, and repeat and you should be pretty good...

    1. Re:The imortant part of the article: by jeff4747 · · Score: 0

      Yes, just build yourself a nice walled garden and you'll be fine.

      Why Apple is evil for doing this, I'm not exactly sure, but everyone tells me Android's openness is always double-plus good!

      (To use less snark, there's good and bad of open. My parents need a walled garden because they are not savvy enough to protect themselves from malicious apps. I could get away without a walled garden, but I don't want to spend my time vetting apps. Whether it's Google's or Apple's garden really doesn't matter.)

    2. Re:The imortant part of the article: by MimeticLie · · Score: 1

      To be clear, the app in question came from an unofficial (and presumably shady) app store. If you exclusively use Android's official marketplace, you're as safe as you would be using the App Store. To put yourself at greater risk, you have to choose to exit the relative safety of the official store and load the malware yourself.

      There's still a walled garden, it just has a gate.

    3. Re:The imortant part of the article: by heathen_01 · · Score: 1

      You may be right, but its a dissapointing state of affairs. Even if you only use trusted markets how can you be sure that a malware application doesn't slip through? In my opinion It would be far better to be able to trust the operating system, that way you can be less concerned about where you get your software. A simple example in this case would be the OS showing the user on demand what the app is connecting to. The corse grained permissions in Andriod are a step in the right direction however the journey is far from over.

  10. Not in Android Market ... by fnkld · · Score: 2

    ... (yet) according to the article. It's affecting users in China who get repackaged apps from alternative-market Chinese sites. There been reports of suspicious apps on the official Android Market, but they are very few and quickly removed (http://bit.ly/5FOeM3). Does anyone know if there has ever been a confirmed threat? FTA: As of now, Lookout Security is only aware of the HongTouTou Trojan affecting users on Chinese forums. It does not affect any apps in their original versions available on the Google Android Market.

  11. Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Wallpaper APPS?!?!? Why in gods name would you need to package wallpaper in an executable, that's a security issue waiting to happen...

    1. Re:Wait... by Kakari · · Score: 1

      Well if Microsoft did it, it must be good. ...Wait a second...

    2. Re:Wait... by WhyCause · · Score: 1

      Live wallpapers are programs that write to an always-visible canvas, and thus need to be installed.

      Some wallpaper apps keep their libraries online, and provide an easy-to-browse catalog of images. You only download the ones you want.

    3. Re:Wait... by BiggoronSword · · Score: 1

      If that's not bad enough, during the installation process, the user is informed of what the application needs in order to function. "Internet Connectivity" has to be one of them. If the user isn't questioning why their wallpaper needs Internet Access, something is wrong.

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  12. Oh look! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Bing's found another way to scrape Google's search results!

  13. It's spamming Google Trends / Suggest / Instant by Animats · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If it's doing searches in bulk like that, it's a search spam program. It's exploiting a vulnerability in Google.

    Google Trends lists "hot searches", what's being searched for in Google in recent hours. Google Trends drives Google Suggest, the hinting system for Google. That in turn drives Google Instant. Which, in turn, aims users at the target sites. Which are probably full of ads. Profit!

    Spamming of Google Trends has been around for a while. It used to be easier, and you'd see things like the name of some mattress discounter at the top of Google Trends for 15 minutes or so. (I ran a program to follow the trends in Google Trends for a while. It was amusing.) Google seems to now be averaging over more hours, so the spammers have to up their game and use a distributed attack to push their keywords up.

    This is the trouble with "crowdsourcing" recommendations. It's too easy to fake a crowd. Yelp, CitySearch, Google Places - they're all choked with recommendation spam. Anonymous recommendations are junk information. And no, requiring a Facebook account won't help. There's an app for that.

    Google is now trying a "mark as spam" button in Chrome to identify "content farms". If that starts mattering, it will be spammed. The same applies to Blekko's "slashtags".

    1. Re:It's spamming Google Trends / Suggest / Instant by drougie · · Score: 2

      Yeah search master? You sure it's not using Baidu?

      From the source..

      After few http requests sent back and forth, it gets a URL to connect in the background (in this case analyzed): http://wap.baidu.com/s?word=%E7%83%A8%E4%B9%8B%E5%9B%BD%E5%BA%A6&vit=uni&from=961a_w1

    2. Re:It's spamming Google Trends / Suggest / Instant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the trouble with "crowdsourcing" recommendations. It's too easy to fake a crowd. Yelp, CitySearch, Google Places - they're all choked with recommendation spam. Anonymous recommendations are junk information. And no, requiring a Facebook account won't help. There's an app for that.

      This is AWESOME!

      I'm going to start using FB Devil today to do my part in making the data FB collects worthless.

    3. Re:It's spamming Google Trends / Suggest / Instant by Animats · · Score: 1

      At least they saw it hitting Baidu. But it gets its target list from the botmaster's server. What it hits may change depending on current orders.

    4. Re:It's spamming Google Trends / Suggest / Instant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's searching Baidu. 5 Insightful? -1 Didn't read the article.

  14. OK Verizon, you made your point by gearloos · · Score: 1

    Written by the service provider because the execs thought they needed a little more income? Not as far fetched as you think in China where the usual is whatever it takes to get what you want.

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    "Computers are a lot like Air Conditioners" "They both work great until you start opening Windows"
  15. Re:Here we go. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And the Fandroids are doing what again? They're being full of Schmidt. He'll steal your data then sell it back to you and everyone else. No thanks. I was on the fence and supportive of Android until this.

    Just. Opt. Out.

  16. A little too convenient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After the recent Windows Phone 7 / Yahoo data suck incident. Trojan as corporate sabotage, perhaps?

    1. Re:A little too convenient by codepunk · · Score: 0

      The two Windows Phone 7 users I doubt even noticed.

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  17. Oh Look, A Non-Story by Haedrian · · Score: 1

    Be sure not to download anything from a source you don't trust, because then you might get viruses, and then bad things can happen.

    Its incredibly stupid when stuff like this happens, because its not really 'malware' in the sense of Android having a flaw which allows code to be executed, but rather idiots who expressly give this permission to this code to run, when they get it from a non-trusted source.

    User Error. If Problem persists consult your user vendor.

    1. Re:Oh Look, A Non-Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, because 'user error', and 'stupid users' is always a good defense when talking about operating systems...

    2. Re:Oh Look, A Non-Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're saying there's no solution to problems like this except for users to not be "incredibly stupid idiots." But there really is a solution, and the iPhone proves it.

    3. Re:Oh Look, A Non-Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except it's kinda hard to know on the market if an application is trustworthy or not. Many applications require internet access for one tiny feature, and even very legit ones do, and it becomes tedious to sort between the potentially safe and potentially unsafe applications even for a nerd like you. Now imagine regular users? They can't even begin to tell.

    4. Re:Oh Look, A Non-Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The PEBKAC rule does apply, but for phones. The same goes for people who are just smart enough to unlock their iPhones (or have someone else do it) but then get affected by the vulnerabilities that creates. Android being an open-source option gives more freedom for people to develop and customize their phones, but for the uninitiated, it's a scary reminder that they can mess up their phones as well as their computers.

      Not that they'll listen, but they'll sure complain after the fact.

  18. Wallpaper apps? by steeleyeball · · Score: 1

    Bwah ha ha ha...... Really? I always love it when people install cocktail umbrellas in thier swiss army knife.

  19. This is a very good point. by apparently · · Score: 1

    But you can have approved apps on the Apple appstore and write your own apps and install them. Just join the developer program ($99), write your xCode and install it on your phone. Bam! Mr. Jobs doesn't come and tell you you can't do it. It's legit.

    This is exactly how it works in the corporate world. Just today, the head of my accounting department was fretting over the cost of a new GL package she needed to purchase. I was all "50 grand? Dude, why not just download Visual Studio Express and code that shit ourselves?" That conversation was at noon, and by 5:30 we had already skipped over the alpha version and were pussy deep in testing out the beta.

    1. Re:This is a very good point. by vux984 · · Score: 1

      That conversation was at noon, and by 5:30 we had already skipped over the alpha version and were pussy deep in testing out the beta.

      Yeah, because the head of the accounting department wants to use a beta quality general ledger written in 5 hrs by a guy who thinks 'pussy deep' is good metaphor with no QA.

    2. Re:This is a very good point. by apparently · · Score: 1
      I guess you missed the point that it's an idiotic statement to tell people that if they're unhappy with the availability of software solutions, they should learn to be software developers.

      So is this an asperger's thing, or just an inability to comprehend really obvious sarcasm?

    3. Re:This is a very good point. by vux984 · · Score: 1

      lol, thanks for the heads up. You know I actually did miss the sarcasm.

      I should have clued in by the comment about downloading visual studio express that you were envisioning the accountant doing the coding himself... (rofmao)

      I guess I've seen enough slashdotters who really do look at a 50k piece of software and then figure they can hack something together in a few hours in perl or something that's equivalent.

      (Hell, to be honest, I've done it myself... seen a quote from a vendor for a bit of custom software development running 25k and then decided to just bang it out myself over a weekend... and then did.)

      In any case.there is a genuine sense among coders that we can write our own software in a pinch... and some of us actually can and do from time to time.

      So its not really a stretch to see someone claiming that's what they would do... to the point that the idea of some software developer thinking they could build an accounting module on a phone in 6 hours... is entirely plausible. (albeit stupid)

  20. Amen! by Weezul · · Score: 1, Interesting

    It's all downhill for iOS from here on. Jobs will kick the bucket ending both the reality distortion field and Apple's market responsiveness.

    Android will gradually take most developers and users by virtue of being "just open enough", much like Windows. We've even got Blackberry going for Android apps, ala Dr. DOS. A behemoth spewing a billion dollars on marketing and payola pushing their unwanted child called WP7 (OS2). And we'll all end up running MeeGo (Linux) on phones originally designed to run Android.

    Imho, we should continue pushing for MeeGo on the phone because the whole Android plus Debian on a dual core phone sounds silly & slow, well plus Maemo has a better user interface and better phone functionality than Android. (gsm, sip, and skype calls are integrated)

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    1. Re:Amen! by ducomputergeek · · Score: 1

      I'm not so sure on the developers front. My experience this past year releasing apps for both Android and iOS was that sure I had more downloads of the free "lite" app from android, but iOS accounted for well over 80% of my revenue. And the type of apps I produced really don't work for advertising. I used Admob for both platforms. They are utility apps, not content apps so you don't get a lot of impressions. Problem is, Android takes more of my time to sort out minor problems between OS versions and handset hardware issues. And now add to that Amazon jumping in I would have to get another developers account and play by another set of rules.

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      "The problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money" - Thatcher.
    2. Re:Amen! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd rather earn 20% developing for an open platform than 80% developing for a closed one. Because in the long run it's better to support the platform looking out for the consumer's best interests. That said, as a rule of thumb I don't buy software on the Android Marketplace anyway (the free stuff is fine for my needs) so it's a moot point as far as I'm concerned.

    3. Re:Amen! by Weezul · · Score: 2

      Apple's iOS will certainly maintain some reasonable user base, but the market shall never grant dominance to a control freak. Sorry but people go their own way. iPhone are cute, but kinda old hat now, and all identical. Android otoh has an ever growing rainbow of flavors & features that'll seduce most users eventually. And young people are way more familiar with Java than Objective C meaning Android will see more & more regular the apps first.

      Apple has always been pleasant for a certain type of independent developers, especially the sort that like polishing a fancy facade on a utility program : friendly development environments, users who'll pay up croon about it, etc. And I'm sure the DOS/Windows utility developers always put-in vastly more man hours than Mac utility developers, while simultaneously facing rampant piracy. Yet, Norton & co. all started on the DOS side because corporate IT paid their bills. App stores aren't necessarily great for corporate IT though, well unless you roll your own for Android. As you say, you're own interests & sensibilities just don't mesh well with the Android marketplace.

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    4. Re:Amen! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a bitter little man, eh?

    5. Re:Amen! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an idiot. When you get out of your mom's basement and need to earn a living, let me know how your allegiances turn out.

    6. Re:Amen! by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      The only think Android has working for it is that the hardware can be grossly underpowered and they will still ship with Android on it for a horrible user experience and sub-$200 price (free with contract).

      iPhone has something going for it in that you are "safe" using it because it protects you from yourself, and most users need that. Android assumes competency, and that's why it is open to millions of attacks.

    7. Re:Amen! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know what each of those words mean, yet somehow none of them made any sense when put together.

  21. So it's a Trojan, no big deal. by Zelgadiss · · Score: 1

    It's just a trojan horse on an alternative app market.

    Just like on the PC you have to exercise caution as to where you get your apps.

    Good thing it's not a security vulnerability, like one that allows an attacker to get root access to a phone, that needs patching to fix.

  22. Wallpaper with internet connectivity? by Michael+Woodhams · · Score: 1

    My understanding* is that at install time, an Android app has to list what permissions it wants to be able to operate. If I was installing some new wallpaper and it demanded internet access, I'd abort instantly. So does this attack only work against naive users?

    * I don't have, and have not used, an Android or other smart phone

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    1. Re:Wallpaper with internet connectivity? by jeff4747 · · Score: 2

      No, the app would simply bill itself as needing to download new wallpaper occasionally.

    2. Re:Wallpaper with internet connectivity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True from what you've said to what I've done on my Anny =)

      One thing to note, a list of what permissions are required is alot like a EULA. tl;dr.

    3. Re:Wallpaper with internet connectivity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The problems is serving ads. Apps that are free often serve small Google ads and getting this stream requires internet access.

  23. Some form of click fraud. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's a lot of money connected with clicking on ads. They could be clicking their competitors' ads to drain their budgets.

  24. Google should add firewalling to Android by Morgaine · · Score: 1

    It's a travesty that Linux has such a good firewall system available in its kernel, yet Google is not using it to enhance security of Android devices as standard. The Android permissions checks alone are not enough, far too coarse and inflexible.

    It's true that you can root your Android and install a firewall yourself, but that invalidates your warranty, and if you bought a high-end phone or tablet then you don't want to lose your warranty in case the hardware fails.

    It's a very poor situation, and it's getting worse as the attacks on Android increase. Come on Google, provide a firewall as standard. "Too complex for phone users" is not an adequate excuse for not doing so, because it can be made totally transparent by default if you wish, and only the security-conscious few would need to configure it in detail.

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    1. Re:Google should add firewalling to Android by SilentMobius · · Score: 1

      How would a firewall help in the slightest? This is http traffic from an app that has already been approved (buy the user on install) as having full internet access. All you could do with a firewall is pop up a message on the first use saying something like:
      "Oh I know you already said this app could access the internet but it looks like it actually is. Are you _sure_ this is ok?"
      Not that I don't think that Android permissions can improved but firewalls are _hard_ to do in a protective and useful way

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  25. If it can, why doesn't it? by SuperKendall · · Score: 0

    The iOS app store can have it's fair share of malware too.

    Actually it can't. Because even the small level of review Apple goes through prevents some things, the greater degree of sandboxing prevents others, the lack of external storage prevents still other data mining trips from coming back with gold.

    And then on top of that you have to provide some details to Apple to get certified as a developer.

    Any one thing alone might not stop anyone, but in total they have prevented iOS from seeing issues like Android has had.

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    1. Re:If it can, why doesn't it? by vinng86 · · Score: 1

      Any one thing alone might not stop anyone, but in total they have prevented iOS from seeing issues like Android has had.

      Because iOS apps have never done anything bad right? Wrong! I can find more examples if you'd like.

    2. Re:If it can, why doesn't it? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Because iOS apps have never done anything bad right? Wrong! I can find more examples if you'd like.

      Can you find one? Because a game that leverages you contact list is not a good example. It doesn't sneakily capture other data or do things in the background.

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  26. Of course they do by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    The iPhone has firewalls.

    The thing is, people running the stock OS have no need of a firewall.

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    1. Re:Of course they do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iPhone users don't need packet inspection firewalls because they're blissfully unaware that their {contacts-using} Internet app is siphoning their private data over an encrypted connection to the app's 'legitimate' servers.

      Small businesses have stolen more user data through subterfuge than rogue individuals ever have.

  27. AegisLab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AegisLab is the first company who discover this ADRD.
    http://blog.aegislab.com/index.php?op=ViewArticle&articleId=75&blogId=1
    They have 15 instances of ADRD.

  28. The third way by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    There are two ways to deal with that though, get rid of useful stuff or try to manage any issues. I prefer to keep the useful stuff.

    The third way is to control background access to the useful stuff so you get that but nothing arbitrary. That's the way Apple chose.

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  29. That's why I stick to iOS development by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Because in the long run it's better to support the platform looking out for the consumer's best interests.

    I 100% agree with that statement.

    And that's why I stick with iOS development, possibly moving into WP7 development at some point.

    Because I have lived through years of the PC model of security, and see the whole system brought to its knees by malware and spyware. Going forward into a new platform, I simply refuse to support a system that I see as trying to carry forward the old PC "anything goes" model in Android.

    Consumers best interests as far as computing go, are things where they cannot hurt themselves much. For the more technically inclined there will always be backdoors and paths we can open to gain the sweet control and functionality we desire, but the default shipping state should be such that I am not going to ever have to have daily conversations again with friends about how to clean out systems.

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  30. Another analysis for the trojan adrd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It seems that it is the earliest post for adrd analysis from aegislab blog:

    http://blog.aegislab.com/index.php?op=ViewArticle&articleId=75&blogId=1

    adrd schedules an alarm to wake itself up when firstly deployed. It acts less frequently than other trojans like GEINIMI found in China,
    and thus harder to trace once launched. All transmissions are encrypted by DES, but can be easily decode by using key found in DEX file.

  31. First post for Adra analysis by yhlee694 · · Score: 2

    It seems that it is the first post for adrd analysis from aegislab blog: http://blog.aegislab.com/index.php?op=ViewArticle&articleId=75&blogId=1 adrd schedules an alarm to wake itself up when firstly deployed. It acts less frequently than other trojans like GEINIMI found in China, and thus harder to trace once launched. All transmissions are encrypted by DES, but can be easily decode by using key found in DEX file.

  32. In the official Market ? by CatBandit · · Score: 1

    Has anybody seen if those bogus apps are in the official Android Market or are in bogus Markets ? I must have missed that from the summary.

    I mean in those were Android says a warning message like: do not install anything from non-official Market who you don't whole-fully trust.

  33. Just end-users being ignorant by bl8n8r · · Score: 1

    FTFA: "Below is the application info screen, which doesn't say much that's informative."
    Really? The Big Red Text kinda catches my attention. It's supposed to.  You even get a pop-up when installing that informs you about the app's resource usage.

    It's not like the application circumvented Active-X or IE, or somethigng to get installed.  It needs ignorance to work.  Google the friggin app and author before installing.  This is no different than installing crap from warez sites or bittorrent.  Actually, Android is better in that regard because at least you get an enumerated list of the application's resource usage.

    "A basic Android application has no permissions associated with it, meaning it can not do anything that would adversely impact the user experience or any data on the device. " *

    "At application install time, permissions requested by the application are granted to it by the package installer, based on checks against the signatures of the applications declaring those permissions and/or interaction with the user. No checks with the user are done while an application is running: it either was granted a particular permission when installed, and can use that feature as desired, or the permission was not granted and any attempt to use the feature will fail without prompting the user."

    * http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/security/security.html

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  34. Wallpaper? by ElmoGonzo · · Score: 2

    Has it come to this? Needing to have something to look at on your phone even when you aren't using it for something useful? Sheesh!

  35. ROMs are a bigger threat by bobbutts · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just a note is that a large percent of the geek population is trusting ROMs with full root access. Just internet access for some sandbox app is small potatoes. Here's an example of a "good" developer making a simple mistake with their ROM http://www.droidforums.net/forum/liberty-rom-d2/125447-so-who-just-had-their-phone-taken-control-liberty-1-5-a.html Imagine what a malicious developer could accomplish.

  36. Android needs user-selectable permissions by Peter+Amstutz · · Score: 2

    The android security model is fairly fine grained, certainly much more so than what we see on conventional desktop OS's, and has a pretty tall wall between apps. Note that the malware was not stealing user data from other apps, it is just a spambot, only stealing CPU cycles and bandwidth.

    The main problem I have with the android security model is that the only recourse you have for a questionable app is to not install it in the first place. I'd prefer see the ability to selectively deny permissions, so you could specify that (for example) an app that requests a network connection be denied access. In this case, that would effectively neuter the spambot while possibly still being able to set wallpapers as the app is advertised to do. Sure, the app might just crash, but that would provide some feedback to the user as well (and cause you to uninstall it).

    Unfortunately, a lot of apps probably ask for more permissions than they actually use due to poor Android documentation in describing which SDK functions require which permissions. In my experience, this leads developers to take a scattershot approach of adding permissions semi-randomly in an attempt to debug why their app is crashing with permissions errors (of course, there is little incentive to remove those unnecessary permissions). Also some permissions need to be further split up; a music app that needs to know when a phone call is coming in in order to pause playback should only need permissions to that particular event, it shouldn't have to request full access to make and receive calls. Because there isn't enough information to make an informed decision, this quickly causes even technical users to stop paying attention to the "required permissions" page in the android market.

  37. FOSS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    This is where you dumb fuck fosstards get what's coming to you.

  38. Re:Shut up Mac Fag by Americano · · Score: 1

    Aww, is APK stalking me? That's his quote style!

    What's the matter, upset that I'm not offering to blow you for your hosts file?

  39. Re:Take your meds for paranoia, Mac Fag by Americano · · Score: 1

    APK == OFF TOPIC TROLL!