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Nokia Has a Billion Reasons To Love WP7
theodp writes "A report from Bloomberg notes it ain't easy, or cheap, to outbid Google. Microsoft has reportedly agreed to pay Nokia more than $1 billion to 'promote and develop' Windows Phone devices under the agreement between the companies. Bloomberg says the agreement for the payment was 'part of a campaign by Microsoft to keep Nokia from choosing Google's Android operating system.'"
Personally I'm waiting to see what Nokia gets out. While the older Windows Mobile's haven't really been up to current generation, Windows Phone 7 is completely different thing. It's actually a great platform, and developers have the best possible tools available for making apps and games (Visual Studio, C/C++, C#, Silverlight..). It's also fast, sleek looking and up to current standards.
Now combine that with the great devices that Nokia makes and it could be a true hit. Actually, it's the only way how Nokia and Microsoft both can fight against iPhone and Android. Nokia has always had amazing hardware, but their software side has been lacking, especially in recent years.
My next phone will be either Nokia with Windows Phone 7 or iPhone. I have great hopes for Nokia.
We'll have to wait for the NEXT version of Windows for Handhelds (whatever it will look like and be called by then) to know how big a mistake this was for Nokia.
If it's going to run on ARM anyway they can always just defect back to Android if they ever come to their senses.
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This was known on day two by anyone paying attention.
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
But I'd have to think about it.
While, I know it popular to Flame MS. If Nokia isn't just taking MS's money, and is planning really throw everything they have into it. This "may" just save MS(mobile) and Nokia. Nokia has a history finding and growing niches and finding what customers want. As long as they don't just play follow the leader to what Android and Iphone do, AND (this is a big if) MS listens to them when the need want changes to WP7. I think may at least be able to compete. I don't see them taking over but they may put up a decent showing.
When I saw the headline, I thought: "Nokia is rolling out WordPerfect v7???"
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Personally I'm waiting to see what Nokia gets out. While the older Windows Mobile's haven't really been up to current generation, Windows Phone 7 is completely different thing. It's actually a great platform, and developers have the best possible tools available for making apps and games (Visual Studio, C/C++, C#, Silverlight..). It's also fast, sleek looking and up to current standards.
Now combine that with the great devices that Nokia makes and it could be a true hit. Actually, it's the only way how Nokia and Microsoft both can fight against iPhone and Android. Nokia has always had amazing hardware, but their software side has been lacking, especially in recent years.
My next phone will be either Nokia with Windows Phone 7 or iPhone. I have great hopes for Nokia.
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Because you sure as shit can't be talking about Silverlight...
that it could be the single best operating system on the planet that is superior to every other system in every possible way, but...
It's still A Trap(tm).
Microsoft has a very long history of blatantly destructive behaviour. They have a lot to make up for before they should be considered trustworthy enough to rely on.
Anyone who willingly buys microsoft products should be pitied, because clearly they're trapped in an abusive relationship. "Oh! He's not like that anymore! He's changed! Oh no, I got that black eye from falling down the stairs!"
Nokia: We've had a good think about it and we're going to start developing for Android
Microsoft: What would it take for you to start using and developing for Windows Mobile?
Nokia: *Has a think* *Pinky moves towards mouth* ONE BILLION DOLLARS!
Microsoft reps: *look at each other, shrug shoulders* Yeah, OK, I can't see any reason why we can't do that..
Nokia: Err, OK, I guess we're using Windows Mobile then....
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that's the spirit? we know you can feel it. it's getting late?
So serious sweetners are the only way to pull it off again.
1 billion dollars US.
No difference, really.
It's still selling out. The scale is just different.
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Yes yes, I know we all hate Microsoft, but on the face of it this was a very shrewd business decision. Nokia was getting killed by the fact that people now want their phones to do such exotic things as email and Web browsing. They had no real internal direction in terms of software development, as evidenced by the schizophrenia of Symbian and Maemo, and the fact that they were trying to do it all in-house wasn't helping things any.
Meanwhile, Microsoft comes along with a ready-made solution to Nokia's woes in the form of a pretty complete mobile platform and a $1 billion payout to help with the transition. To Nokia's idiot board of directors this probably looked like a no-brainer. Meanwhile Microsoft gets amazing value in the form of a very, very large company now pushing out its software products worldwide. This isn't going to put WP7 ahead of Android or iOS, not by a long shot, but it will do wonders in terms of shoring up their position.
On the flip side of things, consider Motorola. At one point they were kind of in the same boat as Nokia, having missed the first wave of the smartphone epidemic, and went from being the company that had it all with the once-super cool RAZR to an also-ran. They got behind Android in a very complete and enthusiastic way and the results have really paid off for them. I'd venture to say that they make some of the best Android phones out there, and they're taking a great stab at the tablet market. And no one had to pay them $1 billion to do it!
In short, this is great news for MS, bad news for Nokia fans. I always thought the path to Palm's demise was paved by Windows Mobile ending up on Treo smartphones. They just couldn't be bothered to invest in an innovate mobile OS of their own until webOS, and that was obviously a day late and a dollar short...
How many phones must Nokia sell for MS to make their money back?
If i were Nokia, I would take the money then declare a big dividend and close up shop.
enjoy your silver Nokia.
'promote and develop' windows phones and slide to obscurity in the process ....
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.... DONT !
great case of forfeiting long term future for short term gain on behalf of nokia
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But still we are not seeing competition with level playing fields. Corporate desk tops and office applications are still dominated by Microsoft. Media entertainment market is still dominated by Apple, another closed proprietary system. For smartphones and tablets there is some small battle going on between Android and iOS. Search engine is still dominated by Google.
Instead of open battle between the companies fighting in the open duking it out in close range combat, each giant has built a fortress and are fighting each other with long range artillery. For the consumers to benefit we need level playing fields and major players in each arena.
Last century was not a battle between Capitalism and Communism. It was between Competitionism (to coin a term) and Controlled economies. By misattributing the fall of Berlin wall to Capitalism instead of Competitionism, we are working to preserve existing winners in each sector of economy. Consolidating the power in the hands of Microsofts, Goldman-Sachs, BofA, Wallmarts, HomeDepots etc instead of creating multiple players who can actually fight each other for the privilege of serving us. There is no special interest lobbying group for the winners of tomorrow, for those who could create millions jobs in the coming decade. Our political system rewards people who benefit by the status quo.
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Visual Studio is the best IDE I've ever used for any development.
Eclipse? Please!
xCode? -Pfft!
NetBeans? Close, but no cigar - it is getting there. We'll see if Oracle fucks that up.
Oh! And Emacs? Nuh uh. Or at least you'd have to spend so much time configuring the fucker to be as good as VS that you'd never get the code you originally wanted to develop done.
Such a shitty friend they have to PAY people to hang out with them.
Jukka Eklund at Nokia writes to the Meego Dev list: "I am thrilled to announce a little thing we started at Nokia. Basically we want to have MeeGo running in N900 device, so that it's really usable as your daily development device. Basic Handset UX should work, phone calls, SMS, web browsing. So we are concentrating on a few selected features and polish those to be "perfect". It might mean that we leave out some things in MeeGo 1.2 trunk for this edition, but that is not the default intention.
We are doing this fully on the open, and I hope this is an interesting project where we all in the community work towards the same goal: have a great MeeGo edition in the N900. This work is naturally based on the great work done already by N900 adaptation team lead by Harri and Carsten.
The wiki is up here: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DeveloperEdition. It will populated with more information as we go, thanks for the patience.
Br, ...Also folks, be sure to stay tuned for the new Nokia N950 meant only as a (likely) unsubsidized Developer's hardware refresh of the N900. Only rumor has it that it will not arrive with a slide-out keyboard. How important is having a N900-style keyboard to you, along with the new Meego Love Nokia software continues to offer?"
Jukka
Developer Edition product manager"
[note this was posted as an article Saturday and wasn't accepted as newsworthy by Slashdot. I cannot imagine why not.]
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Microsoft has to keep buying business-- I'm wondering what kind of fancy accounting they're doing to prop up their revenue figures.
what a surprise? it knows that it has only one primary function. so,,,,, it's getting late?
I mean, this is /. - so whatever Microsoft does is bad :)
I am a developer, and I am currently evaluating a mobile platform to move my application to. The application requires both fairly extensive user interface and significant graphic processing. /. about its responsivness or lack thereof when handling sound, for example), as well as because our current code base while quite portable, is C/C++. These issues would make development technically difficult for us - not impossible, but simply not economically feasible. No go at this point.
1. Android: The good - our code would port into native Android quite well and work with all appropriate optimizations. But the NDK does not really have a UI component, and writing our own UI is both non-cost effective and probably won't look the way users would like it to look. Java is not suitable both due to limits on performance (see elsewhere on
(Why, oh why did they decide to put Java into the mix there? If only there was a native GUI, Android would have been perfect for us. But I digress)
2. iOS/iPad/iPhone - technically these would work, but we are not terribly eager to get into a single-platform solution. Sure, they are big and have many devices out there, but these devices are all the same and come from a single hw vendor. Aside from that there are API and optimization issues, due to some quick and shoddy decisions that Apple made when putting iOS together. The resulting product would not be as efficient as we'd like and Apple hardware does not entirely hit the target market. On top of that, some of the requirements of Apple store are incompatible with what we do, so we'd have to remove functionality or otherwise work around legal hurdles. So - a weak "may be" only because there is little choice for now.
3. Here comes the Windows part. Our code would build/run on those devices natively wiuth all appropriate optimizations. There is a native accessible (C/C++) GUI, without a need of Java shims or custom UIs. It is not locked to a single hardware vendor, so in theory we could expect a number of tablets and other devices to satisfy various user needs. A small snag - not too many devices available quite yet :)
So, personally I am rooting for Nokia + Windows. If this works out, it will provide is the shortest most direct path to give mobile application to our users.
Admittedly, I would just as well welcome a complete Android NDK (with full GUI integration, to remove any need to glue Java and native code together). Perhaps it's there already? :) It's hard to know seeing as very little of NDK is properly documented.
And now we return to our usual Microsoft bashing programming :)
Its a real shame that a supposed tech website like Slashdot has it's comments section consistently shitted up by people like Alex Belits who can't read anything pro-MS without having to play the 'shill' card. Its even more of a shame that the readers of this site, who so often like to use words like 'groupthink' and 'sheep' to describe other people, are so embrassingly and transparently guilty of exactly the same thing when they mod shit like OP's post up.
The question that this raises, for me, is as follows: "If Microsoft paid Nokia $1 billion(plus the special-BFF ability to customize WP7 to a degree that others cannot), this suggests that either A) Nokia was largely willing, possibly with the customization proviso; but one or both parties were worried about Nokia's ability to keep on course long enough to iterate out a good WP7 product(not necessarily because of bankrupcy, from which they are a good ways off; but because of shareholders demanding a new plan with expected better returns, or similar pressure) or B)Our Google Overlords had an offer that needed to be outbid... If A, what hold-ups were MS and or Nokia worried about? If B, was Google also offering sweet, sweet, cash money? Or was the perceived superiority of the Android world worth less than; but not too much less than, $1billion?
You don't get as rich as Microsoft by paying for things that you can get for free. So, that strongly suggests that there was an offer(in cash or in code) worth not too much less than $1 billion on the table, presumably from Google(or possibly Intel). Who was it from? Was there also substantial cash in it? Or is the perceived delta between WP7 and the alternatives actually ~$1billion in the eyes of Nokia and MS?
35 years ago Bill and Paul stuck it to MITS for putting their software on the Altair.
Now Nokia has figured out how to get Microsoft to swing the other way and pay them.
Too funny.
Sounds like Nokia will be another Novel, its just a matter of time now for them to go tits up just like Novel.
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It used to be the only reasons people dealt with m$ is that they were assholes or they were forced to do so by assholes.
$1B to ensure the death of an open source competitor? Bargain!
It's nifty that they did this, but wouldn't you say this was a day late, dollar short overall? I seriously doubt that Nokia would market anything like an N950 because they've sold Qt off to someone else and they've said they're pretty much ditching MeeGo and Symbian for Windows Phone- unless they don't have clauses in there to sneak it in under radar and the current upper management is going to quietly develop a backup plan for this if it doesn't work, the N950's not terribly likely to happen.
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I agree. Nokia will be very pleased with the features.
iOs, Android, WebOS... was there really room for another platform? Wasn't Nokia taking a huge risk in a crowded market? Is Nokia really taking a risk with Windows 7? Just sounds like a business deci$ion to me.
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this reminds me of the MS apple deal in the late 1990. time will tell if nokia can handle it.
That's pretty insane. It took $1,000,000,000 to convince Nokia to use WP7 instead of Android. This will be offset by a certain amount for each handset that Nokia sells.
Since Nokia is in the business of being profitable, it said: "Hey, we're projecting to sell X number of handsets. That'll net us $y for each handset, or $z in total." So X*y=z. Under the MS agreement, if Microsoft's cut is 'm', the equation is: X*(y-m)=z+1,000,000,000.
There comes at time where X*m > 1,000,000,000, and that's when Nokia starts to lose money on the deal. So Nokia is making a bet that they're not going to be selling more than a certain number of handsets.
Also in their projections are two other variables: the number of [A]ndroid phones they're going to be selling, and the number of [M]icrosoft phones they're going to be selling. A*y-1,000,000,000 M*(y-m). They've got their brand, quality hardware, and Microsoft fanbase going for them now. They're also sidestepped the competition going on in Android-land. At the end of the day, they're still going to need to price competitively with similarly spec'd Android and iOS devices.
Is it a smart bet? In the short term, probably yes. In the long term, their support infrastructure an internal expertise is going to have a vested interest in staying with Microsoft. App developers will view WP7 as marginalized (and it will be), so there isn't going to be as robust an app market in WP7 as there is for iOS or Android.
Of course, I'm inclined to believe Android is the winner, long term. Just look at their market share over the past 2 years: Android has gone steadily up, at the expense of EVERYONE but Apple, who has managed to stay steady at 20-odd percent. With dual-core Tegra devices and similarly spec'd hardware, these devices are truly coming into their own in 2011 as pocket computers. Probably within 2 or 3 years, you'll be able to use a mobile phone as a pseudo-thin-client, docked via HDMI (or wireless HDMI) to a computer monitor or big-screen TV, and controlled via a bluetooth keyboard/mouse or similar device. If Wireless HDMI is viable at that time (without killing the battery) then you'll be able to use the device itself as a remote control when exported to a TV. This will outmode the PC, for the vast majority of users who simply browse the web, email, watch video, and chat.
In that kind of environment, are you going to bet your money on iOS, Android, or WP7? Innovation, device features, and price are going to be leaning towards Android. iOS devices are purposefully gimped (HDMI-out, anyone?). WP7 isn't going to have the kind of robust app market
My understanding is that Microsoft is going to be providing one billion dollars' worth of development services and infrastructure to Nokia, allowing Nokia to focus on hardware and cut their R&D costs accordingly. They're not actually writing them a check or anything.
In return, Nokia is choosing Windows Phone as their primary smartphone OS (for which they'll pay a license fee per handset), and also licensing Nokia's map products to the other Windows Phone OEMs. There's going to be money moving both ways.
Meanwhile Nokia effectively (?) sell QT (to Digia):
http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/nokia-developer-news/2011/03/07/nokia-to-sell-qt-commercial-licensing-and-services-to-digia
I don't know what would be needed to be sold to call it a "sell" but whatever.
Also that doesn't necessary mean they won't use it themselves but whatever.
Thanks for the info!
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8 billion US dollars.
1 billion... Really doesn't cover that...
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The title of this post deserve a +5 Funny!
Just wondering.....
and apparently followed a similar path to NASA GLORY....
http://comscore.com/Press_Events/Press_Releases/2011/3/comScore_Reports_January_2011_U.S._Mobile_Subscriber_Market_Share
Although the raw drop from 9.7% to 8% looks like a slight dip; remember that it really a more precipitous 17+% drop in its market.
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On Nokia C6-00, Symbian smartphone with keyboard with GPS and what not bought for about 200 Euros (I guess it translates into 200$) I can send my emails just fine, heck, it's actually quite comfortable with hardware keyboard.
Didn't know that Opera Mobile was that bad or made by Nokia.
The most notable thing missing on C6 and visible on on more expensive smartphones is: animations. Everywhere. Now I understand where the "dual core mobile CPU" thing comes from, mobiles are made for smoothly animating menus, it seems. Having to recharge your mobile every 4 days or less is now a norm. Oh well...
Why did Nokia have to compete with Android, is beyond me.
That's the problem when a company gets to a certain size, they have so much money that they can outbid anyone with a more genuine or legitimate interest could afford.
It's like walking into a car rental place to pick up the car you've reserved, as a guy runs past you up to the desk and demands a car. Sorry sir all our cars are reserved. "How about $1000 for a reserved car?" Guess you're walking now aren't you? It's not fair, but I suppose that's how it works.
MS is behind, and is trying to buy market position. And it'll probably work to a degree. But that doesn't help us, the consumer. What it means is that products that normally wouldn't be in our face so much due to lower quality, will be. And things we take for granted when making buying decisions won't work the same. That leads to the consumer getting less than they paid for and were expecting.
It also is damaging to Nokia's brand, because they're basically damaging their reputation by accepting what amounts to a bribe to let MS's lower quality product sell under Nokia's better reputation. For many companies, (and I think this includes cell phone manufacturers) their brand is their most valuable company asset. The net result is MS's brand increases in value, and Nokia's lowers. They must think that's worth $1B. But that's a lot of moola, and Nokia's in something of a decline as of late, so maybe they're right and this is the most responsible decision. I can name a dozen former partners of MS and can't think of a single one that came out a winner as a result, time will tell how Nokia fairs but it doesn't look promising. We've gone over several discussions here recently about the perils of partnering with MS, my money's still on the same bet there - MS will benefit and their new "partner" will take a kick in the junk.
I work for the Department of Redundancy Department.
A huge international corporation chooses short-term profiteering over long term viability. Why am I not even a itty bitty tiny bit suprised.
The only reason they would choose Windows Phone 7 is a very, very large hat of money. It certainly doesn't make any sense from a technical perspective. Maybe Symbian^3 / Meego were foundering, but either Android or WebOS would have been far more suitable paths out of Nokia's predicament.
Perhaps the money isn't straight cash but it must surely add up to a lot of concessions, e.g. free licenses, free marketing, developer licences, a cut of ad revenues, a cut of app sales, premium support, privileges afforded to Nokia in the placement of icons, apps, skins etc. in WP7. Or a combination of those things. Whatever the reason, it came in a very large brown paper envelope.
Something just short of negative one billion dollars. At least, Nokia thinks so. I think they got screwed, but they can probably hang on for a couple years.
It gives reason to ask the question "How much of that $1B will end up in Elop's pocket?" Certainly much more than the $4M in MS stock he owns.
Running with Linux for over 20 years!
So, Dracula is buying out one of the larger blood banks? This only makes sense if Dracula admits failure as a hunter and starts to think like a farmer. Only problem is, blood donation is voluntary and we're on to him..
Microsoft partnered with yahoo and destroyed yahoo search. Look where yahoo is today (Thanks to management and MS) Now same would be done for Nokia..
They didn't have to throw in some of their own billions? Bargain.
Nokia/Elop Has a Billion Reasons To Love WP7
Dollars?
Nokia now has Elop (former MS exec) as CEO, has prematurely abandoned their most widely deployed OS for WP7, and likely pissed off a large section of their stockholders, customers, employees and suppliers (ie, the most important people to them in order).
I think that Nokia management finally realized that the money is gone and that their saunas will go unpowered without a cash infusion of some sort.
I'm not against this deal, but it's really sad that Nokia doesn't even have a WP7 phone to release or announce at the time of the "acquisition"... this stinks of desperation and complete lack of vision (guess it gets foggy in those sauna meetings).
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Nokia have sold the commercial licensing & support unit. Licensing and customizing Qt for proprietary users/vendors was not exactly their core business anyway.
My exception safety is -fno-exceptions.
I like how it's "promote and develop" rather than, oh, say, "develop, then promote"
That's the Microsoft I came to know and love in room 101.
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Am I the only one who knows WP7 as word perfect 7?
I mean does any bother checking the ambiguity of phrases they try to create when shortening an actual name into initials to sound cool? Especially in this case where Word Perfect was a competitor to MS's office.
I played with one at Best Buy the other day, and I have to say it really wasn't that bad (I think it was a Samsung or LG). The responsiveness of the touch screen was on par with my iPhone, nothing like the sluggish POS android phones I've tried (maybe I haven't tried the right one???). The large text spilling over to the next "page" is a bit annoying, but nothing deal breaking. The aggregation of social apps into the "tiles" is a little strange for me, but I can see how someone heavily invested in multiple forms of social networking apps may like this approach. I can only assume that Nokia hardware would be better than the WP7 phone I tried, so what's the deal?
They have to pay you to take it? I don't get it, how will MS expect to make money if they can't sell software?
Nokia's project's just seem to be running very late is all. Nokia has said for a looong time already that they had 1 Meego device nearly ready for launch, and they were hoping for the end of last year.
This could very well be the N950: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tojSYC0Chms
Maybe you can imagine Nokia has this working internally with Meego, and just hasn't launched it yet for various reasons one can only guess at. Note that video is from last July. Compared to the currently shipping N8 running Symbian, well I offer that comparison as supporting evidence as to the authenticity of the video above.
http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-n950-meego-phone-named-very-elegant-hardware-says-cto-video-22135076/
http://www.slashgear.com/meego-gets-new-boss-promises-unique-appeal-in-n950-08138600/
Keyboard or no keyboard. Hmmm, this indicates the whole flaw in the nokia strategy. Meego's division should NOT be producing hardware in the first place. Rather, we've seen a number of S^3 devices in recent months which reviewers have praised as having nice hardware but a tired OS. The solution would have been to draft a hardware roadmap that was both symbian and linux friendly. Nokia could ship their current locked down Symbian phones but provide a rom flasher to launch semi-functional meego handsets. The community would fill in the gaps with device drivers from android. This could still happen in the wp7 era if meego isn't to be completely abandoned.
I'm sure maemo/meego would have broader hacker community appeal if current S^3 handets, numerous on contract (at least in Aus) could be unofficially supported. Instead there's only 1 single device from 2009 and they're proposing to neuter its successor sans keyboard if it ever ships at all.
They didn't sell Qt, they've sold the licensing part (i.e. paper-pushing clerks which deal with contracts & support). Actual development remains in Nokia with this deal.
Elop has already sold all his MS stock, and bought 150k Nokia shares.
$1B is much less than the 37% that Nokia lost in stock value since the rumour of the "cooperation".
There's no question that Elop's timing has cost Nokia investors money, and now it appears that the first Windows phone is almost a year out. It almost makes you wonder if Elop is actually trying to drive the stock price down. I mean, honestly, Nokia would probably have billions more in market capitalisation right now if Elop had simply been a little bit quieter about dumping Symbian. The $1 billion U.S. that Microsoft is pitching in (over 5 years) is peanuts compared to the money Nokia investors lost because of Elop's histrionics.
That explains why it was that he announced that Nokia would be deep-sixing Symbian. He wanted to drive down the price of Nokia stock as far as possible before buying in.
Well played Elop.
Microsoft has been developing software for decades longer than Google has been around. That head-start should have ensured that their software is eons ahead of anything Google's engineers could ever come up with. Instead, they have to bribe another company to play with them.
Can't anyone develop it? Who got the brand? Digia?
As said I'm not sure what would have to be included to call it "sell" but whatever.
And no, not that it matter much for their ability to use it.
unbelievable I would think that nokia would choose best quality not more money ... im disappointed
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