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E-Book Sales Have Tripled In the Last Year

destinyland writes "The Association of American Publishers revealed today that e-book sales have tripled in the last year. Sixteen publishers reported that in February e-book sales totaled more than $90.3 million, a 202.3% increase over e-book sales in February of 2010. Meanwhile, sales of adult hardcover books have dropped 43%, while mass-market paperback sales dropped 41.5% (earning just $46.2 million and $29.3 million, respectively). The book publishing association acknowledged that readers have 'made e-books permanent additions to their lifestyle,' arguing that publishers 'are constantly redefining the timeless concept of "books"' and identifying new audiences they can serve through emerging technologies. 'It's nice to see that book publishers are aware of the changes rocking their industry,' notes one e-book blog, 'and that they're approaching it with a sense of history.'"

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  1. Eh? by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 1

    Meanwhile, sales of adult hardcover books have dropped 43%

    I've heard of adult books with crusty pages, but never one with a hardcover.

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    1. Re:Eh? by netdigger · · Score: 0

      Well they get harder with age

    2. Re:Eh? by Eevee · · Score: 1

      Well they get harder with age

      I always heard that they get softer with age...

  2. And yet by xMrFishx · · Score: 2

    One still has to buy an ebook even if they own it in paper, pay twice why don't you? In addition, should one want an ebook alone, the cost tends to be comparative to the paper format, or sometimes more, and let us not even mention DRM. I'm waiting for the costs of ebooks to drop to something more reasonable and comparative to the cost of creation/distribution (mostly distribution and production; writing costs will be the same as paper). Admittedly I may be waiting a while, so in that time I'll continue to buy paper books, whilst the whole world of copyleft implodes upon itself and creates a worm hole to L-space.

    1. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's very principled of you. I'll be pirating my ebooks until publishers get their fingers out of their arses and start offering DRM-free books for around 25% less than the price of a paperback.

    2. Re:And yet by AF_Cheddar_Head · · Score: 2

      While I agree that it would be nice for e-books to be cheaper why do individuals insist on comparing the price of a newly released e-book to a paperback when most books are released first as hard covers which typically run from 20-30 dollars. Following the same model newly released ebooks at the price of 10 dollars are half the price of the competition.

      By the way most libraries have an e-book shelf that you can use to borrow from for the cost of a library card FREE.

    3. Re:And yet by Defenestrar · · Score: 4, Informative

      Oh, you mean like Baen. And they only charge less for some books - others they give you for free and have found that it increases their sales for related books. Oh and on some of their newer hardcover books they've been including a CD with DRM free share-with-your-friends-requested ebooks of all the previous books in the series (i.e. Cryoburn of Bujold's Vorkosigan adventures).

      Ultimately it'll be the market which decides how this plays out, but I know where I'm going to vote with my dollars.

    4. Re:And yet by zrbyte · · Score: 1

      That's very principled of you. I'll be pirating my ebooks until publishers get their fingers out of their arses and start offering DRM-free books

      Thanks! We need more readers like you, who have principles!

      Best Regards,
      The content creators.

    5. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize that unless the book is distributed _only_ in ebook format the author still has to recoup the cost of printing the initial run of dead tree books right?

      The cost of distributing an ebook may be notably less than the cost of distributing a printed book, but the cost of producing a book available in both print and electronic formats is probably about the same as producing it in only printed formats. That's why the electronic copies have comparable cost to the printed copies (since every electronic sale is presumably one sale that will not be made for a printed copy).

      You have to look at the opportunity cost of selling the ebook (namely that the publisher has less ability to sell the print copies) which then must be figured into the sale price.

    6. Re:And yet by xMrFishx · · Score: 1

      No idea if British libraries have an ebook thingy or not mind you.

      On the note of cost, I wouldn't mind paying £1-3 in addition to the paper book cost for a DRM free ebook copy. That probably covers the relative overheads of hosting, bandwidth and server admins (or something that does) without giving double profits to the publisher. I'm mostly against double dipping for a format change. Cover your overheads, yes, double your profits, ha no.

      Quick example: book from Apress (random) http://www.apress.com/9781430230427 - Print: $40, Ebook $28. I understand niche books carry higher costs, but I'm not sure those two carry the same profit margins. In addition to this, Apress do "companion" ebooks for $10. Honestly, I think that's a bit high but the idea is welcome. I Think their ebooks are DRM free, but I can't find it on their site.

      To be honest, if their ebooks carried the cost of Profit Margin of Paper Copy + Overhead Of Hosting etc = $Value and that was something closer to the cost set of a "companion" ebook, I'd probably just buy the lot (around a subject in question). Unfortunately they want close to the paper cost, so I'll just buy the odd paper one off Amazon instead.

    7. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One still has to buy an ebook even if they own it in paper, pay twice why don't you? In addition, should one want an ebook alone, the cost tends to be comparative to the paper format, or sometimes more, and let us not even mention DRM. I'm waiting for the costs of ebooks to drop to something more reasonable and comparative to the cost of creation/distribution (mostly distribution and production; writing costs will be the same as paper). Admittedly I may be waiting a while, so in that time I'll continue to buy paper books, whilst the whole world of copyleft implodes upon itself and creates a worm hole to L-space.

      No you don't.

      It takes only about 1 minute per 20 pages to scan a book and convert to .pdf yourself, assuming the opened book is scanned at a left/right page per scanner pass. Assuming the book costs about $10 (or more), and that most common books are only 200-400 pages, that's only 10-20 minutes to convert most books to a very high quality (200-300dpi) bog-standard .pdf with no DRM or proprietary anything.

      Assuming you make less than $40/hour (like most people), there is little reason not to do this. After doing the first one, you realize how fast it is.

      Use a 8MP+ quality digital camera with zoom on a tripod, and take a pic of the wel lit opened book, flipping pages as fast as the camera can be ready for the next pic, if you don't want to use a scanner.

      Use gscan2pdf and xsane and you're good to go.

      http://sourceforge.net/projects/gscan2pdf/

      I suspect that moving forward, Fahrenheit-451-esque P2P/F2F USB stick or wifi sharing of self-made .pdf's (or other open eBook formats) will be common.

    8. Re:And yet by geekoid · · Score: 2

      Because Hard Covers are an addition to a collection for most people, THAT is why they can charge a premium.

      The cover type is irrelevant when talking about eBooks. It's just data, and it is priced way too high, for now. Looking at sales numbers, authors make more money selling an eBook at 99 cents then at full price.
      Publishing house will nearly go away in the next decade. It's to easy and to lucrative to self publish an ebook. 1000 bucks and you can get widely published among every ebook type, and you get 60-70% of each sale.

      Here is an example:
      Rothfuss new eBook: 15dollars
      Dashell's 'Red Harvest (1929) 10 dollars.

      IF they want to try and leverage the early bird money, charge 4.99 for a year, then 99 cents.

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    9. Re:And yet by WhirlwindMonk · · Score: 1

      Interesting site. Anything in particular on there you'd recommend to a fan of classic fantasy (or fantasy of any type, really)?

    10. Re:And yet by WhirlwindMonk · · Score: 1

      How about they...say...print fewer physical copies, then? If the number of print copies you sell is going down, don't keep printing the same quantity and then raise the price of ebooks to compensate for your bad business decision. Besides, as has been demonstrated multiple times, when you can set the price really low, doing so can get you a lot of money as it enters "impulse buy" range.

    11. Re:And yet by Bigbutt · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you should speak to your publishers to adjust book prices so they're not more expensive than paperback books. I have purchased some ebooks but only ones that I already have in hardback and love to read. Without a way to resell a book that doesn't appeal to me after purchase, I'm a lot less likely to purchase an ebook. I have purchased quite a few game PDFs because they're less than the paperback versions. Shadowrun core and supplements are $15 and $12 each on PDF.

      [John]

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    12. Re:And yet by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      You do realize that unless the book is distributed _only_ in ebook format the author still has to recoup the cost of printing the initial run of dead tree books right?

      Which they do by selling those books.

      Your argument is backwards: 90+% of the work of producing an ebook by a traditional publisher (editing, copyediting, cover production, etc) has already been done in order to produce the dead tree book, so the ebook sales are practically free money. That only changes if dead tree book sales drop to the point where they no longer cover their production costs, and that's unlikely to happen for quite a few years..

    13. Re:And yet by CRCulver · · Score: 0

      Don't bother. Science fiction has rarely made for great literature (notwithstanding a few works that are IMHO true contributions to the literary canon), but Baen was like the dregs of the genre.

    14. Re:And yet by AF_Cheddar_Head · · Score: 1

      I agree completely to the idea of a companion e-book. Something like what the movie guys (yeah I know bad, bad, movie guys) tried awhile ago, bundling an electronic license/version with the DVD.

    15. Re:And yet by WhirlwindMonk · · Score: 1

      I did say Fantasy, not Sci-Fi, but I know what you mean. So, I suppose I can expand the question. Anything at all worth reading on there?

    16. Re:And yet by Oxford_Comma_Lover · · Score: 1

      Why assume double dipping for the publisher? I suspect Amazon does most of the double-dipping.

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    17. Re:And yet by Oxford_Comma_Lover · · Score: 1

      > That only changes if dead tree book sales drop to the point where they no longer cover their production costs, and that's unlikely to happen for quite a few years..

      They make decisions about what books to buy and how many authors to support based on whether the book will make a profit and whether it has the potential to make a good one. ebook sales factor into that decision.

      The ebook sales also aren't "free money." First, they're not free in the Lochean income-should-be-earned sense because you have at least some further work to be done or already done, including contract negotiations and new typesetting. Second, they're not free in the bottom-line real-world economic sense because they are a competing product with the physical books. Third, either way, their free money isn't as much as you think it is, because distributor-retailers [e.g. Amazon] have monopolies that significantly limit publisher profits.

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    18. Re:And yet by demonbug · · Score: 1

      I did say Fantasy, not Sci-Fi, but I know what you mean. So, I suppose I can expand the question. Anything at all worth reading on there?

      Of the names they have listed, give Bujold a try. I've enjoyed almost all of her books; fun story, great characters, generally very well written. It looks like they only have one book and a short story available for free. The Warrior's Apprentice is quite good, and was actually my introduction to her work - it is the first book featuring Miles Vorkosigan, her major central character (earlier books, now together in the volume Cordelia's Honor, cover his parents - and I think they actually were written first - but Warrior's Apprentice is a good place to start). Mountains of Mourning is also very good, but very different from most of her work (although it does feature Miles).

      If you prefer fantasy she has a good series in that genre as well, I think the first book was Curse of Chalion. She has a more recent fantasy series, The Sharing Knife, but I didn't like it nearly as much as her earlier fantasy and science fiction. And probably a different publisher, so no free e-books of any of them as far as I know.

    19. Re:And yet by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      They make decisions about what books to buy and how many authors to support based on whether the book will make a profit and whether it has the potential to make a good one. ebook sales factor into that decision.

      Why would a publisher put a book on the shelf if they know it's going to lose money?

      The ebook sales also aren't "free money." First, they're not free in the Lochean income-should-be-earned sense because you have at least some further work to be done or already done, including contract negotiations and new typesetting.

      I didn't say they were 'free money', I said they were 'practically free money'. 'Typesetting' a typical fiction ebook is insanely easy compared to typesetting a print book, because there's very little formatting you can do. Contract negotiations have to be done regardless of how the book will be sold, so the additional cost is small.

      As I said, 90% of the work is the same regardless of whether it's a dead tree book, an ebook or both. If you're already making a profit selling dead tree books, then the ebook is practically free money on top.

      Third, either way, their free money isn't as much as you think it is, because distributor-retailers [e.g. Amazon] have monopolies that significantly limit publisher profits.

      Amazon give 70% royalties, which is better than you'll get from a dead tree bookstore. And there are no returns to worry about, which can significantly eat into the profits from a dead tree book.

    20. Re:And yet by demonbug · · Score: 1

      While I agree that it would be nice for e-books to be cheaper why do individuals insist on comparing the price of a newly released e-book to a paperback when most books are released first as hard covers which typically run from 20-30 dollars. Following the same model newly released ebooks at the price of 10 dollars are half the price of the competition.

      I don't. I compare to hardbacks. Amazon had Patrick Rothfuss' newest book for about $15 in hardback, or the e-book for $12. So, save $3 dollars to get a digital copy, which I can't lend, can't give to someone else when I'm done, can't sell to a used bookstore, etc.

      So yes, I think that e-book prices need to see a major reduction. They are very limited, are significantly cheaper to produce and distribute (approximately 0 marginal cost), and yet cost more than a paperback and nearly as much as a high-volume hardback (you're right, though, regarding those few hardbacks that come out that they actually try to charge full MSRP for - compared to those, the digital price might be approximately appropriate).

    21. Re:And yet by demonbug · · Score: 1

      I agree completely to the idea of a companion e-book. Something like what the movie guys (yeah I know bad, bad, movie guys) tried awhile ago, bundling an electronic license/version with the DVD.

      Tried a while ago? Still trying, seems like. Every movie I buy these days (blu-ray) seems to come with a digital copy and a fricking DVD. Neither of which I've ever used, but hey - at least they include them.

    22. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Baen also has some of Jerry Pournelle's backlist, and David Drake has written both space opera and fantasy for them (both featured in the free library). As for their more (and less) popular authors, see GP.

    23. Re:And yet by Oxford_Comma_Lover · · Score: 1

      > Why would a publisher put a book on the shelf if they know it's going to lose money?

      Oh, sorry--I just realized you were asserting that they didn't need to recover the cost of the print run out of the ebook sales. Yes, you're right--I had thought you were asserting the money they made on ebook sales was irrelevant and just extra. I agree that if they already have a print book most of the work is done, but you do the work for both distribution channels, so I don't know if that's the right way to look at it economically.

      Is 70% to the publisher the default figure for major publishers for Kindle? I'm surprised it's that high, given Amazon's market dominance, but they may still be trying to lock people into their contracts.

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    24. Re:And yet by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      It's the same problem that exists for digital music sales. I've often seen new release CDs sell cheaper than the same album on iTunes. Digital items should be much cheaper, and get more sales in volume (because manufacturing and distribution are free). Make things cheap enough to get impulse sales. Charge $2 for an ebook or $2 for an album, and just sti back and watch people buy 100 times more stuff.

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    25. Re:And yet by mattcsn · · Score: 1

      Those who aren't teaparty-supporting sociopaths may want to thing twice about financially supporting Baen.

    26. Re:And yet by russotto · · Score: 2

      Don't bother. Science fiction has rarely made for great literature (notwithstanding a few works that are IMHO true contributions to the literary canon), but Baen was like the dregs of the genre.

      SF diverged from "literature" around the time of Wells, and despite a few misguided attempts by a few authors (such as Vonnegut), it's remained separate. Literature has largely come to mean self-important, vacuously self-referential drek, whose quality is determined by how unreadable it is; the more unreadable, the better. Whereas SF is still SF. Baen certainly avoids any pretension at "literary SF", and they've got their share of crap. They've also got a lot of good stuff, and even some of their crap is at least a fun read.

      They also publish in eBook form some classic SF, which today's literati might grudgingly accept -- but the literati at the time would (and did) dismiss out of hand, as you do today.

    27. Re:And yet by darnkitten · · Score: 1

      By the way most libraries have an e-book shelf that you can use to borrow from for the cost of a library card FREE.

      Not if you have a Kindle. The Kindle is not compatible with the format of downloadable library books.

      AND, It is often a real pain to get set up to borrow e-books. The publishers/distributors often make it as difficult as they can for a patron to register to use the library's e-content. This will often discourage (intentionally, I suspect) new users from using the e-books, particularly if they are not comfortable with computers.

      And then, if you have a smaller library; say, in rural Montana, you might not be able to get the new stuff, as the library might not be able to afford the additional costs associated with a new release program.

      Yes, I am a librarian in rural Montana, thanks for asking.

    28. Re:And yet by AF_Cheddar_Head · · Score: 1

      You are correct on the Kindle issue. One of the reasons I bought the Sony.

      Here in El Paso County Colorado the only pre-requisite to use the e-content is downloading the appropriate software for managing the DRM, 21 Day checkout, I use the Adobe application but they also have the mobi-books option. Oh yeah, you also have to have a library card but then I have had a card for whatever my local library has been since I was 8 years old. My librarians have always know me on a first name basis, still do even though I use the e-book.

      Thank you for your service as a librarian. I still remember the one in my small Wisconsin home town and stop in to say hi whenever I get back.

    29. Re:And yet by Omestes · · Score: 1

      And then the ebook stays at that price when the paperback comes out. It stays at that price when the paperback his used bookstores and discount bins. Yes, ebook pricing is better than hardcover pricing, but thats about it.

        Really ebooks should follow the price of the book.For a $30 hardcover the ebook should be $15. When the book hits $10 paperback, the price should drop to $5. A year or so after the paperback the price should drop to $1 or $2.

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    30. Re:And yet by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      The cover type is irrelevant when talking about eBooks. It's just data, and it is priced way too high, for now. Looking at sales numbers, authors make more money selling an eBook at 99 cents then at full price.

      Surely, with transition to online sales, the "fair price" would be stabilized much quicker because there's more competition? If, as you say, most books are better off sold at $.99, then that's what Amazon will also end up doing, since they get a direct cut of the profit.

    31. Re:And yet by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      What hardcovers usually are is an excuse to charge more for those who want to read the book early. People who really want to read the book soon buy hardcover, and so they get the people who would pay more paying more. People who don't care that much (either because they're not that eager, or because they have less money) wait a year and pay a lot less. By having different physical products, it doesn't seem quite the same as just discounting the price after a while.

      Anyway, publishing houses provide a lot more than printing and distribution. They provide editing services. There are very few writers who can't benefit from a good editor, and if you look at a best-selling author you can sometimes tell when they got so successful they could afford to ignore editors - and that's when the quality goes down. They can also format a physical book or ebook better than most people. These are services that are valuable, but do have to be paid for.

      Publishers also market books, and that's one thing most authors are going to be unprepared to do. First, they select the better books available. Books you buy from publishers may be bad, but several well-informed people thought a reasonable number of people would like them. This is why vanity publishing had such a bad reputation in its earlier days; the presumption was that, if a book was worthwhile, a commercial publisher would have picked it up. I'm going to be very leery about paying money for a self-published ebook without knowing the author or having a strong recommendation. A publisher is also going to see about getting reviews, and is going to be much better at that than most individual authors.

      Book publishers are moving slowly, and not handling the transition well, but replacing their services will not be easy.

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    32. Re:And yet by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 1

      Your doing it wrong. The last ebook I purchased was 99 cents. The next one will be $2.99

    33. Re:And yet by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Fantasy's even harder to find good stuff than sci-fi...

    34. Re:And yet by Phoghat · · Score: 1
      Even Amazon sells most e books for less than they charge for the paper version, with a few exceptions. and has lots more for free.

      There are many places to download e books for free: Free e Books,

      Scribd , Feedbooks , Smashword and many more if you just Google free e books. I've got more thn 400 books in my Kindle, about 25% of which I've had to pay for. Quitchabitchen.

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    35. Re:And yet by Omestes · · Score: 1

      Where?

      Going through my very large book-list, I didn't find any ebooks under around $5.99, and the average for more popular and mainstream books was around $9.99. A large percentage of them didn't have ebook flavors, but my tastes are strange. I've seen tons of selfhelp books, and other things like them for cheap. I've seen emerging sci-fi/fantasy authors I haven't heard of costing around $1-2. This price is about right, but I'm a bit of a snob when it comes to those genres, disliking basically everything written since 1980, outside of a few choice authors.

      So where do you find a decent books, by decent authors at a competively low pricepoint?

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  3. which means.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which means that e-book piracy has quazillioned!

    ahoy, mateys.

  4. Note to Publishers: I'm Done with Paper by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wife has a Nook. I have a Kindle. We are each inseparable from these devices, which are each currently filled with easily a two-year backlog of books waiting to be read. If you distribute a book, and there is no electronic version of it available, it's gonna have to be the Word of God newly etched on tablets for either of us to even consider buying it.

    1. Re:Note to Publishers: I'm Done with Paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Too bad you cannot share a book you find interesting, unless you give her your kindle. Remember those days when we were kids, when we used to read it and pass it to our friends when we were done because they were "freaking awesome!!11!". :(

      I am all for ebooks, they save environment and everything (till it gets to the point where people start tossing out their kindles and nooks). But there just has to be a way to enable sharing.

    2. Re:Note to Publishers: I'm Done with Paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am all for ebooks, they save environment and everything

      CITATION NEEDED!!

      The environmental cost used to produce a gadget like a kindle easily exceed that of 100 paperback books. Just because it is smaller, does not imply it is cheaper. ebook readers would only be more environmentally friendly if people didn't break them and used them for 100s of books.

      Then again, most people like myself are not rich and can't afford 100s of books anyway. For people like myself, places likes libraries save significantly more environment than otherwise possible.

    3. Re:Note to Publishers: I'm Done with Paper by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "Word of God newly etched on tablets "
      funny, that's exactly what most authors think there work is~

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    4. Re:Note to Publishers: I'm Done with Paper by iamhassi · · Score: 1

      Ebooks do not save the environment. While you might think so because we are not cutting down trees for books you have to remember that books are usually kept forever, people do not usually throw away books, they end up getting donated and eventually land in a library somewhere. The exception is textbooks, because when a new version comes out every school requires that new version so the old versions are recycled. Very few books end up in landfills because they can be easily recycled unlike consumer electronics where after many years the items eventually end up in the trash like a parallel port 100mb Zip drive.

      The only way ebooks would be better for the environment is if they were being read on existing devices like laptops or cellphones since you already had that device for other reasons. Purpose built devices like the Nook and Kindle are bad for the environment.

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    5. Re:Note to Publishers: I'm Done with Paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      s/there/their/g

    6. Re:Note to Publishers: I'm Done with Paper by mdielmann · · Score: 2

      I don't buy DRM-encumbered eBooks. If anyone wants to borrow a book from me, electronic or otherwise, it can be done. Moreover, I can read my ebooks on any device I have that supports them, and can easily convert between formats with calibre.

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    7. Re:Note to Publishers: I'm Done with Paper by ErikZ · · Score: 1

      Yep. I've only bought 1 paper book since I've bought my kindle several years ago.

      After reading all the responses to this article, I'm going to turn it into an e-book. Apparently, it's easy.

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    8. Re:Note to Publishers: I'm Done with Paper by hedwards · · Score: 1

      That's sort of my thought on the matter. I've yet to come across a book, with the possible exception of a reference book, that was worth the migraines I get from trying to position myself to read for more than a few minutes. There's also the issue of trying to store these books. And that should be something that the publishers are worried about because otherwise why bother buying new?

      Book people seem to think that there's something about physical books that's innately pleasurable, but really that's just an example of conditioning. Same as with Pavlov's dogs.

    9. Re:Note to Publishers: I'm Done with Paper by delinear · · Score: 1

      Besides, the majority of trees that are cut down to make books are grown specifically for that purpose. They're at worst carbon neutral, at best they're providing woodland that otherwise would be given over to agriculture or industry. Admittedly shipping them about is still harmful, but so is shipping a bunch of components from around the globe to build an e-reader.

    10. Re:Note to Publishers: I'm Done with Paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Etch this on your tablet: Eat a bowl of dicks, asshole.

    11. Re:Note to Publishers: I'm Done with Paper by darkwing_bmf · · Score: 1

      What's the environmental impact of constructing a physical library? Of the transportation used to go there? Electricity usage? Other infrastructure?

    12. Re:Note to Publishers: I'm Done with Paper by darkwing_bmf · · Score: 1

      I've resisted so far as well. Thankfully at least a couple of vendors offer DRM free versions of ebooks like Baen.

    13. Re:Note to Publishers: I'm Done with Paper by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 1

      Nonsense books are trashed all the time. Libraries throw out books every year to make room for newer books. Used books stores won't buy any book you bring in. If you see a garage sale with books in it chances are the unsold books will be trashed or recycled. Then there is the big books stores. If a book doesn't sell they rip the cover off and ship it back to the publisher. Maybe the paper is recycled. Rare books are rare because the majority of books wind up in a dump at some point. Collectors who keep books for a long period of time are an exception not the rule.

    14. Re:Note to Publishers: I'm Done with Paper by nomadic · · Score: 1

      "The environmental cost used to produce a gadget like a kindle easily exceed that of 100 paperback books. Just because it is smaller, does not imply it is cheaper. ebook readers would only be more environmentally friendly if people didn't break them and used them for 100s of books."

      Do you have a citation for this? Or are you just assuming?

    15. Re:Note to Publishers: I'm Done with Paper by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      they save environment and everything

      Uh, no, you have that backwards.

      Growing trees and cutting them down and printing books from them removes CO2 from the air. And I will point out that every book printed is using using waste wood from lumber operations, and/or trees specifically grown to to make paper from. No one's wandering around forests cutting down existing trees for paper. Worrying about 'cutting down trees' is like worrying about 'cutting down corn'...I don't think we're going to run out of corn.

      Granted, shipping books puts a tiny amount of CO2 back in, but I assure you it's a net loss of CO2. Unless you run around burning the books when finished with them, or putting them in compost heaps, every book on a shelf is a net environmental win.

      Ereaders save on shipping, a little, although it's worth pointing out that ereaders are almost all shipped from overseas, whereas books tend to be printed in the same country as they're sold. So ereaders have 'a month on a container ship from China' added to shipping.

      And ereaders require petroleum product, and metals, and all sorts of toxic processes and stuff. Books just get bleached a little, but they've been reducing the level of toxins by that for the last few decades to almost nothing, and being printed in first world countries instead of assembled in China limits the amount of damage they can do.

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    16. Re:Note to Publishers: I'm Done with Paper by dadioflex · · Score: 1

      I wonder if that two year backlog is typical, and will sales of ebooks hit a dip when people realise they're buying more books than they can read. OTOH I have about a hundred paperbacks I'm waiting to get around to so I guess this is just the same thing but e-.

    17. Re:Note to Publishers: I'm Done with Paper by Omestes · · Score: 1

      at was worth the migraines I get from trying to position myself to read for more than a few minutes.

      You should see a doctor about that, perhaps an optometrist. That isn't natural, and might point at some abnormal physiological problem.

      There's also the issue of trying to store these books. And that should be something that the publishers are worried about because otherwise why bother buying new?

      I hear there is a new invention for the convenient storage and retrieval of physical books... It involves a vertical arrangement of horizontal shelves, books can then be placed on these shelves for storage, and organized in various ways for rapid retrieval. I've seen them slowly coming to stores, there might even be one near you.

      Books are innately pleasurable, good books are. I like having physical copies of things, though. I don't trust gadgets as much as I trust books, books can stick around for a very long time (my oldest book is 150 years old, my oldest digital file is a mere 20, and most of my old floppies and burned CDs are long dead or obsolete). Books can, in some cases, appreciate in value. Books, in all cases, can't have your ability to read them revoked at the whim of a publisher. I can legally loan you a book. I can legally resell a book. I can scribble in the margins of a book. I can read a book without fear of its battery dying. I can read a book in a power outage, or in the woods, when I forgot to plug it in previously. I can through most books around without fear of damage. In the post-apocalyptic winter I can burn a book for warmth without fear of inhaling carcinogens. With books I can have all of my content stored in such a way as to know what I have in a glance without scrolling through page after page of titles. With books I can own things (as opposed to ebooks where you license them). With books I can own things that are obscure or old that no one went through the trouble of digitizing (you know there are moves on VHS that haven't made it to DVD, much less Blueray?). With books the only format problem I have to worry about is it being in a language I can actually read. With books I don't have to worry about other people's eyes formatting things badly. With books I don't have to worry about their formatting going out of style in 10 years, leaving me high and dry. With books I can quickly flip back and forth to arbitrary points with no trouble. I could go on.

      That said; I own a Nook and love it. I still have a room full of books, and my office has several vertical arrangements of horizontal shelves full of references and thing pertinent to my interests (I went to school for philosophy, so I have a very large shelf full of old obscure books... none of which are in ebook formats, and all of which would such badly if they were since they aren't linear reads). I still buy new and used books by authors I like, or on topics that I enjoy. Physical and electronic books can coexist very well, I don't see it as a game of one or the other.

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    18. Re:Note to Publishers: I'm Done with Paper by BlackCreek · · Score: 1

      Physical books consume "house space", which is a _very_ expensive economic resource where I live. You also need to carry them every time you move (for one reason or another, I move rather frequently). When my wife wants to reach for one of her old books, she simply can't as they are all in boxes as we don't have the shelve space for them.

      FWIW I've been trying to get rid of many paper books I own, and (trust me) often libraries won't take them. Simple paperbacks are often refused. Part of the reason is that I used to buy "used paperbacks" at Amazon for the sake of resource reuse. AFAIK Libraries do trash books all the time due to lack of space.

    19. Re:Note to Publishers: I'm Done with Paper by BlackCreek · · Score: 1

      Same here. I had been buying less books than what I would otherwise, because of lack of storage space.

      There is so much material for (legal) download or for sale at Amazon, that I really only consider buying a book if I can easily get it in my Kindle. Not to mention having adjustable font sizes. Putting travel guides into the mobile (Kindle app) is also a major convenience.

      All this people that imagine donating books their grand children... they for sure /never/ gave thought about the true cost of hoarding all that paper.

    20. Re:Note to Publishers: I'm Done with Paper by rolfwind · · Score: 1

      there is no electronic version of it available, it's gonna have to be the Word of God newly etched on tablets for either of us to even consider buying it.

      No, God isn't a very good writer. His last work etched on tablet, he couldn't even bother to edit it down. It's like he released his first draft. Even Carlin was able to enact a 10 to 2 reduction:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzEs2nj7iZM

      And let's not mention all the plot holes.

    21. Re:Note to Publishers: I'm Done with Paper by jabelli · · Score: 1

      Doesn't matter. I have 342 epubs, and if I had a Nook, they would take up about 1/10th the space. So without even considering the micro-SD slot, you could fit 3000 books. Can we count the environmental costs of the shelving required for a library of that size, too?

    22. Re:Note to Publishers: I'm Done with Paper by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 1

      Handing your wife your kindle is not exactly hard. At least it is not much harder than handing her your only physical copy of a book. At minimum this guy has a Desktop and possibly a smart phone that has access to his books while his wife uses his kindle.

    23. Re:Note to Publishers: I'm Done with Paper by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 1

      There is also the environmental cost of the physical store. There is the land cleared for the store front. The electricity for the lights, cash registrars, office equipment. There is the light and noise pollution. There is the environmental cost of the employees who work there. They eat stuff, use the restroom, breath out CO2, and create trash.

    24. Re:Note to Publishers: I'm Done with Paper by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      There is also the environmental cost of the physical store. There is the land cleared for the store front.

      'Land cleared' is not 'pollution'.

      The electricity for the lights, cash registrars, office equipment.

      Because the ereader system is magical. It's not like they're running servers somewhere, or using cell phone towers and wiring which take electricity.

      There is the light and noise pollution.

      While that is annoying, it not actual pollution.

      There is the environmental cost of the employees who work there. They eat stuff, use the restroom, breath out CO2, and create trash.

      Right, we should do the alternative: Put the workers to death.

      Because they're going to do those things no matter where they work.

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  5. regauarding e books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I still fail to see why anyone would want to spend money on an e book. I like to be able to read a book ... not worry over when they will revoke the book from "my reader. " It's not even my reader ... because I can't really do anything to it except turn it on and charge the battery without falling outside the law.

    With a book I can let someone borrow it, I can gift it, I can sell it .. I can shelf it and reread it 5 years from now. "E books" offer me nothing except worry over when it will expire.

    1. Re:regauarding e books by 0123456 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I still fail to see why anyone would want to spend money on an e book. I like to be able to read a book ... not worry over when they will revoke the book from "my reader. "

      Weird. All the e-books I own are DRM-free, so I can do whatever I want with them for my own use.

      You're right though, I wouldn't want to pay paperback prices for an e-book with DRM which can be revoked at any time. That's why I avoid buying any which do have DRM.

    2. Re:regauarding e books by jbrandv · · Score: 2

      My wife, an avid reader, reads about a book a day. Try carrying 10-15 books on a vacation and you'll realize one of the benefits of e-books. She can now carry 100s of books at a time any where she goes. And they are all DRM free. Yes, I've had to remove the DRM from some of them but they are DRM free now. ;-)

    3. Re:regauarding e books by cool_arrow · · Score: 1

      My sentiments exactly. I might be able to get excited about the technology if e-ink displays were about 10x faster and the content cheaper and belonged to me. Otherwise a physical book is far better value for the reasons you've stated assuming you have easy access to the book etc etc

    4. Re:regauarding e books by Mr_Silver · · Score: 1

      With a book I can let someone borrow it, I can gift it, I can sell it .. I can shelf it and reread it 5 years from now. "E books" offer me nothing except worry over when it will expire

      I used to think this, but then I took a look at the wall of books in my house and controversially realised that the number of times I'd lent them out to people or gone back and read them again many years later could be counted on the fingers of one hand. When I came around to reading a new book, there was always something new and interesting to buy that meant I didn't have to go back to my existing collection. I have books that I've read only once and that was when I bought it.

      In short, I get the impression that the idea that people want to go back and read old fiction books is a little like the idea that people want user replaceable batteries in their mobile phones. Lots of people are very vocal about the fact that they want it (and I fully expect several of them to reply to this post and tell me how wrong I am) - but actually the vast majority of people really don't

      (I'm excluding references books as they are not used in the same way as fiction)

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    5. Re:regauarding e books by rossdee · · Score: 1

      So where do you get your E-Books from then?

    6. Re:regauarding e books by 0123456 · · Score: 2

      So where do you get your E-Books from then?

      So far I've been buying older books from Smashwords; a number of previously published authors are using it to sell their backlist of books that are out of print, and most are available in multiple formats from DRM-free Kindle files to plain text.

      BTW, there was also an interesting thread on a writing site recently where someone who worked for a publisher was saying that pretty much everyone at the sharp end of ebook publishing in those companies was well aware that DRM didn't work and was costing them sales, but the people at the top still insist on including it (and charging the authors for doing so). So over time it's likely to go away.

    7. Re:regauarding e books by das3cr · · Score: 1

      The wife and I both re-read the entire Wheel of Time series every time there is a new book published. And Yes, the collection of books in the house has actually grown past the space we have to store them all. But that's ok ... we are getting some new shelves soon. LOL

      I can see some appeal to e books. But for me ... someone who /still/ prefers a printed version of whatever media I'm looking at the appeal of another dead battery housing is pretty much null. After all ... I already have flashlights and cell phones for storing dead batteries. Do I really need something else for that?

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    8. Re:regauarding e books by Local+ID10T · · Score: 1

      I have an enormous library of books, mostly fiction. You are correct. I only occasionally reread them -usually when a new book in a long series lands in my hands and I can't recall the plot of the previous books. I do, however, lend/give them to friends far more often.

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    9. Re:regauarding e books by Spellvexit · · Score: 1

      A couple of good places to get free ebooks are:

      There are quite a few others, but many of these sites share 90% of the same content anyhow. I've got a Kindle and greatly enjoy it, but like many of the other readers here, I balk at the ridiculous prices for ebooks (wow, a dollar off the electronic edition!!). There's a great backlog of classics out there that are freely available, so I'm not really wanting for leisure reading content. I guess I'll just have to wait for Going Rogue to go public domain!

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    10. Re:regauarding e books by clodney · · Score: 1

      Want to know why I read ebooks?

      - I can store all the books I want to read on a single device, rather than carting around multiple books or having to store them after the fact.
      - I can impulse buy and have it delivered within a minute or two
      - New releases are *typically* (not always) cheaper than the corresponding hardcover
      - I've never had a book revoked from reader, and while I acknowledge the possibility, I consider it a tin-foil hat problem.
      - Lending a book to someone is something that I very rarely do, since most of my friends have different taste in literature.
      - I suppose there is DRM in all of my Kindle books, but if I didn't read /. I wouldn't even be aware of it. I click buy, it shows up on my Kindle. Like Steam, when I got a new Kindle I just went to Amazon and told it to send all my books to my new Kindle. 10 minutes later, everything was good to go on the new device.

    11. Re:regauarding e books by delinear · · Score: 1

      I'd like to get a copy of the ebook with my physical purchase. That makes sense, the book is in a portable format when I need it but in a warm and much more usable format when I'm at home, and I know that it can't be deleted from my library without my permission. Under those circumstances I'd probably buy a reader. I know they're probably terrified I'll sell my physical copy and keep the digital copy, but there's nothing to stop people downloading a digital copy for free already, why not - for once - offer added value to the customer instead of punishing them?

    12. Re:regauarding e books by demonbug · · Score: 1

      So where do you get your E-Books from then?

      Google Books?

      Turns out there's a few centuries worth of material freely available. I might be 70 years behind, but I don't see myself running out of material any time soon...

      Just kidding. I don't even have an ebook reader (although I have read a few classics on my computer). But that's what I'd do. Heck, I think even Amazon has a large collection of out-of-copyright books that you can freely download in proper e-book format.

    13. Re:regauarding e books by demonbug · · Score: 1

      And if you have a Kindle, Amazon has a collection of free classics.

    14. Re:regauarding e books by darkwing_bmf · · Score: 2

      I don't believe you can physically turn a dead tree book page 10x faster than an ebook can display a new e-ink page.

    15. Re:regauarding e books by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 1

      The enormous library is the major problem that ebooks solves for me. I filled up two book shelves with physical books in my small apartment. I purchased an ereader instead of purchasing another book shelf. I simply don't want to fill up my place with stuff.

    16. Re:regauarding e books by nomadic · · Score: 1

      "I still fail to see why anyone would want to spend money on an e book. I like to be able to read a book ... not worry over when they will revoke the book from "my reader. ""

      You have to stop stressing the small stuff.

    17. Re:regauarding e books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well truly great writers only compete with the dead anyway, so you're bound to have a superior hit rate.

    18. Re:regauarding e books by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Disagree about re-reading; I frequently re-read books I like a lot. Agree about borrowing though, the shrill complaints about not being able to lend books to friends here lacks credibility I think.

    19. Re:regauarding e books by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      I still fail to see why anyone would want to spend money on an e book.

      Because it's convenient?

      The big one for me is the ability to configure text size & look. Most paper books (esp. paperbacks) I have to read with my eyeglasses on. With an e-reader, I can make text just large enough that it is readable without eyeglasses at the book holding distance that I find most comfortable to me (and adjust it depending on said distance, which is different between e.g. lying in a bed, and sitting in a bus).

      There are also many little things. For one, I like the Kindle 3 cover integrated light - it really is good, much better than all third-party ones I've tried (clip-ons etc) - they seem to have the angle and the brightness of the thing just right, such that the screen is almost evenly lit at the level that is comfortable to read in darkness. For another, I mostly use Kindle to read at home or on long trips, whereas on day-to-day I just use Kindle app on my phone (to read in queues, while on the bus etc) - and I like how my Kindle will auto-sync current position with my phone, so that I can move between devices freely while reading the same book.

    20. Re:regauarding e books by kvvbassboy · · Score: 1

      When I was a kid (read 12 - 18), I read some 100 - 200 odd fiction and non-fiction books out of which only about 20 of which were mine, and the rest were borrowed from friends. Conversely, I lent most of my books for my friends to read. So I am not sure where you are coming from, but my friends and I did a lot of lending - sharing.

      Furthermore, when I was done with those books and got bored of reading them, I donated it to some less rich kids. You *cannot* do that with ebooks. I feel very strongly about passing books down the generations. Whether for information or entertainment, few other mediums surpass them.

    21. Re:regauarding e books by BlackCreek · · Score: 1

      All points you made apply to me as well. But I need to add:

      - One thing that I can easily do with a Kindle is to avoid buying books by impulse that I never read. I try to discipline myself to always ask for a sample, only when I finish reading the sample (and if I like it), I buy the book.

    22. Re:regauarding e books by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Interesting, I have the opposite problem; I find it far easier to buy books by impulse on my kindle than in the store.

  6. In other news.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Publishing costs have gone down to approximately nil, while revenues have remained stable and profits have jumped sky high.

    Why the fuck should we pay more than a dollar for a file? People paying $20+ for an ebook (the link below shows some close to the price of a modest house) aren't just stupid, they're fucking stupid. There's no reason you should pay that much beyond enriching the greedy publishers and sellers like Amazon - I don't see licensing or odd behind-the-scenes costs (again, see below) as real costs, since it's always about artificial scarcity and silently inflating revenues.

    http://askville.amazon.com/100-expensive-books-amazon/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=240635

    1. Re:In other news.. by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you'd have a different opinion if you, say, wrote books for a living.

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    2. Re:In other news.. by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you'd have a different opinion if you, say, wrote books for a living.

      From talking to published authors, they typically seem to get $1-2 per physical book sale, so they could still make more money if their ebooks were available for $2.99 on Amazon ($2.99 is about $2 per book at Amazon royalty rates). Most of the money in writing goes to the publisher and the retailer, not the author.

    3. Re:In other news.. by WhirlwindMonk · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you'd have a different opinion if you, say, wrote books for a living.

      You mean like this girl? http://www.novelr.com/2011/02/27/rich-indie-writer

    4. Re:In other news.. by AJWM · · Score: 1

      Publishing costs have gone down to approximately nil, while revenues have remained stable and profits have jumped sky high.

      Riiight. Which is why the Big 6 publishers are doing so well (not) and places like Borders are thriving (cough).

      Publishing costs -- editing, copy-editing, proofing, book design, cover design, etc, etc -- really haven't changed much, although e-books do eliminate most of the printing and distribution costs (maybe 1/3 of the wholesale cost of the book).

      I do agree that $20 for an e-book is ridiculous -- as in fact do Amazon and others (the publisher's royalty percentage drops above $9.99) -- except perhaps for some low-volume, high-value works (think specialized texts) where the costs have to be spread over a smaller market.

      Most indie publishers price e-books below the cost of a mass-market paperback, in some cases considerably below. The going price for established authors independantly selling their own back-list (or new stuff) is typically in the 2.99-5.99 range, with shorter works (or newbies trying to break in -- quality may vary) priced as low as 0.99.

      When I put up my 1000-word story "Light Conversation" (published in Analog last year), I priced it the same as my other, 5000-word, short stories - 99 cents. It's about the price of a candy bar, lasts longer (unless you're a fast reader or slow eater), and won't rot your teeth. Five or six bucks for a novel is perfectly reasonable -- cheaper than a movie or even a discount DVD, and more hours of entertainment. If you want free, there's the library. (Or look for discounts by publishers/authors (including indies) trying to find new readers.)

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    5. Re:In other news.. by AJWM · · Score: 1

      Most of the money in writing goes to the publisher and the retailer, not the author.

      Well, the retail money is spread over a lot of retailers (and distributers). Traditionally the publisher took most of the financial risk (advances, paying for the preparation and printing, accepting returns from bookstores), which justified taking a larger share of the money. (Overall, though, the biggest slice goes to the retailers, but they're not a single entity.)

      Many smaller presses offer authors smaller advances for a larger royalty percentage. At the limit, an author can self-publish, taking on all the financial risk but keeping all the profit (less costs and retail mark-up). Technology (both e-books and POD) are making it easier for authors to do this, and a lot of them (myself included) are moving that way -- although many of us are still hedging our bets with traditional publishing (which is still where most of the money is, even at an authors' small share).

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  7. Experience by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I bought a Kindle for my wife as a Christmas present a few years back. To be frank, my main purpose was to address the problem we had with ever-growing, increasingly-unstable, easy-to-trip-over piles of books scattered somewhat randomly around our house (she's always been a serious book hound). She wasn't completely sold on the idea, but it only took her a week or so to completely fall in love with the device.

    Then this past winter I got one when I found I was going to be "arm less" for six weeks due to shoulder surgery. I also wasn't sold on the device, but have quickly come around. In some ways it's actually more convenient to read than a paper book! And while my initial thought was "Buttons? I dunno, multi-touch is much better" - I now think the navigation buttons are a better way to go. You can easily turn pages on a Kindle using the same hand you're holding the "book", which is not true of an iPad - or even a paper book.

    I am bothered by the DRM issue, and initially it held me back from making the move to an e-reader. But since I currently can (and do) strip the DRM from my e-books and copy them to my media backup disk, these concerns don't stop me from using the technology. But I'm hoping someone in authority will eventually step forward with a "Thoughts on DRM" missive regarding e-books - as we've seen with music, selling people DRM-encumbered media has potentially dire long-term consequences; and it's not a given we'll always have the ability (even "underground") to remove it.

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    1. Re:Experience by geekoid · · Score: 1

      The advantage to DRM is that library will have a way to lend eBooks. In this regard, it doesn't bother me. I would much rather see something put on place that re-enforces our right. Like making it illegal for a company to 'buy back' a book from a consumer without the consumers consent. Consent must be on a book by book basis.

      If it had DRM, but the consumer had the power, I would be fine with it.

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    2. Re:Experience by nedlohs · · Score: 2

      To be frank, my main purpose was to address the problem we had with ever-growing, increasingly-unstable, easy-to-trip-over piles of books scattered somewhat randomly around our house

      There's this new invention called the bookcase.

    3. Re:Experience by Bigbutt · · Score: 1

      Then this past winter I got one when I found I was going to be "arm less" for six weeks due to shoulder surgery. I also wasn't sold on the device, but have quickly come around. In some ways it's actually more convenient to read than a paper book! And while my initial thought was "Buttons? I dunno, multi-touch is much better" - I now think the navigation buttons are a better way to go. You can easily turn pages on a Kindle using the same hand you're holding the "book", which is not true of an iPad - or even a paper book.

      As a book hound as well, I have no problems turning pages on my iPad with one hand. A flick of the thumb and the page changes. And even in paperback as I hold a book in one hand and just relax the thumb a little to let a page go. Like both, it's not perfect as I don't give enough of a flick on the iPad for it to go or let too many pages go when relaxing my thumb.

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    4. Re:Experience by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      bookcase.

      Ha ha, our bookcases were full over a decade ago. The piles of books initially were just in front of the bookcases, but I think they've somehow acheived sentience and move around while everyone's asleep.

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    5. Re:Experience by fafaforza · · Score: 1

      I just hope you don't have to move too often. Oh boy are those dead trees heavy.

    6. Re:Experience by BlackCreek · · Score: 1

      To be frank, my main purpose was to address the problem we had with ever-growing, increasingly-unstable, easy-to-trip-over piles of books scattered somewhat randomly around our house

      There's this new invention called the bookcase.

      There's this requirement for bookcases, it is called space.

    7. Re:Experience by IICV · · Score: 1

      I bought a Kindle for my wife as a Christmas present a few years back. To be frank, my main purpose was to address the problem we had with ever-growing, increasingly-unstable, easy-to-trip-over piles of books scattered somewhat randomly around our house (she's always been a serious book hound). She wasn't completely sold on the idea, but it only took her a week or so to completely fall in love with the device.

      We had pretty much the same problem, except with printouts of scientific literature. My wife initially got a regular Kindle, but it just couldn't handle the PDFs well enough (so now it's mine, and I read novels on it); she later bought a used Kindle DX, and it's basically perfect for reading journal papers.

    8. Re:Experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who knows? I'm holding off on most of the mainstream ebooks because of the DRM too.

      If anyone knows a good cheap ebook that reads .pdf, .rtf and .html and uses an SD card for storage, that's the one I'd be interested in. It may lack in access to new titles (unless the authors provide their own downloads), but such a book would be nice for reading whatever I want from sites like project gutenburg. Also such a book with .pdf capability might be handy for reading downloaded product manuals, instead of having to print out a copy or running back and forth to the PC.

      There's got to be a few on the market that would meet this criteria, but I'm uncertain as to which ones would be up to snuff in regards to quality and legibility in varying light conditions.

    9. Re:Experience by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      I just hope you don't have to move too often. Oh boy are those dead trees heavy.

      Yeah, we moved several times in the past - but fortunately not lately (and maybe, hopefully, never again). My back is much older than it was, and even when I was young those boxes of books took their toll!

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    10. Re:Experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, it's funny how the publishers forget that DRM should protect the user's rights and not just the publisher's rights.

  8. DRM by Ltap · · Score: 1

    It's too bad that, now that publishers realize that ebooks are here to stay, they are trying to take advantage of the situation by keeping prices high and using proprie

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    1. Re:DRM by DJCouchyCouch · · Score: 1

      I absolutely HATE it when they use proprie. Gets all in the far corners of the sofa.

    2. Re:DRM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They shot him!

    3. Re:DRM by Ltap · · Score: 1
      Errr, correction:

      It's too bad that, now that publishers realize that ebooks are here to stay, they are trying to take advantage of the situation by keeping prices high and using proprie

      ...tary formats (often device-specific) and DRM. My apologies. I will now save face by blaming Slashdot 3.0 and watch as people mod me up.

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  9. e-Books Still a Scam by wall0645 · · Score: 2

    I refuse to buy e-Books until the prices come down to lower than paperbacks (Kindle books usually same price as paperbacks) and I have similar rights per their use as I have with a paper book (which I can sell and lend). And I'm certainly not going to buy them if they are locked to a device or a certain company's devices.

    1. Re:e-Books Still a Scam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      When my ereader comes in the next week or so, my plan is to buy physical books but pirate the ebook version, because I want to support the authors, but I don't want to support the ridiculous scam that ebook pricing is right now or the DRM that is included.

      Posted anon for obvious reasons.

    2. Re:e-Books Still a Scam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For years the prices *were* lower for e-books. And then Amazon made them popular and the Big 5 got together and refused to let anyone sell their e-books unless the publisher could set the price. I used to buy several e-books a month. Now I hardly buy any.

    3. Re:e-Books Still a Scam by omen · · Score: 1

      I refuse to buy e-Books until the prices come down to lower than paperbacks [snip]. And I'm certainly not going to buy them if they are locked to a device or a certain company's devices.

      Baen books from http://www.webscription.net/ satisfy both of your requirements. If you purchase the monthly Webscription pack you get 6 - 8 books for $18 (use to be $15, they just raised the price). The books are completely DRM free, available in multiple formats, and can be downloaded over and over if you change devices which require different formats. Or just download the ePub format and use Calibre (mentioned above) to convert it to any format you need.

  10. Ebooks are great by anethema · · Score: 2

    I know slashdot tends to be a little Luddite-ish when it comes to ebooks/ereaders for some reason, but as an avid reader I couldn't be more happy.

    When I go to Mexico on vacation, I usually go through a book every day or two. This means I would almost need an entire suitcase for books. With my Kindle, I just bring it! When I still manage to run out of books, the kindle has 3G damn near anywhere on earth for free, and I simply buy more. I have any book I want within seconds pretty much.

    They are FAR more comfortable to read with than a real book as they are light and small, and don't have a fat side depending how far into the book you are. Nothing more annoying than starting a book and wanting to lay on your left side to read it. You also never have the problem of dry fingers having trouble getting a grip on the page, or accidentally grabbing 2 pages by accident.

    Some people like to show off their book collections, or bring up that dropping a book and an ebook reader off a building only the book is more likely to survive, but for the massive massive convenience benefits, I suggest you store your ego, and take better care of your stuff. I'll worry about not being able to get new books (even though you can put text files on it over USB fine) when Amazon goes out of business.

    This way books are cheaper, faster/easier to get, lighter, and easier to read. For me it is a no brainer.

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    1. Re:Ebooks are great by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Becasue theya re emotional attached to the idea of a 'book'. I have started to think there are two kinds of readers: readers who enjoy reading, and people who like to collect books. Not the story, but the idea I ahve a paper bound thing.

      These people usually stand out. When you ask them about there book they will rush to tell you about how much they read and how many books they have.
      I used to read to collect books, but I moved on.

      I bought a kindle for my wife. Who likes reading romance, and there are a ton of free romances. Plus shelf space is at a premium in our house. She loves it. I got one for myself, and I don't want to open another paper book again.

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    2. Re:Ebooks are great by Local+ID10T · · Score: 1

      I know slashdot tends to be a little Luddite-ish when it comes to ebooks/ereaders for some reason, but as an avid reader I couldn't be more happy.

      They are FAR more comfortable to read with than a real book as they are light and small, and don't have a fat side depending how far into the book you are. Nothing more annoying than starting a book and wanting to lay on your left side to read it. You also never have the problem of dry fingers having trouble getting a grip on the page, or accidentally grabbing 2 pages by accident.

      I honestly have not yet found an e-reader that is comfortable to hold while reading. I have tried several, but never purchased one. Perhaps it becomes more comfortable once you "get used to it" after a few days.

      That is the only thing holding me back. No submerged Luddite desires, just comfort.

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    3. Re:Ebooks are great by Asic+Eng · · Score: 1

      I know slashdot tends to be a little Luddite-ish when it comes to ebooks/ereaders for some reason

      DRM probably. I certainly would have one otherwise.

    4. Re:Ebooks are great by fafaforza · · Score: 1

      It's a thin rectangle. Only so many ways of holding one. On my Sony PRS-650, I can pull back and sandwich the cover between my fingers. So holding it takes no effort, just the friction. And I can swipe with my thumb to change pages (the Sony has a touch screen). The cover also allows you to prop up the reader on your chest while laying on your back, works even better in landscape mode.

    5. Re:Ebooks are great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try a Kobo.... I got the WiFi one on ebay cheap and love the almost satin back, quilted feel. Also I would say it has, by far, the best screen I have seen on an ereader. My mom got a S*ny ereader and when she saw mine, she loved it. Plus I just never cared for the keyboard on the Kindle, nor the side page turn buttons on the Nook. Kobo is -perfect- for me.

    6. Re:Ebooks are great by cool_arrow · · Score: 1

      Just get a book about Mexico. It's cheaper than going there just to read :D

    7. Re:Ebooks are great by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      I honestly have not yet found an e-reader that is comfortable to hold while reading.

      Kindle 3 is okayish if you don't grip it hard (sorta let it sit in your palm) - its buttons don't take much force to push, so you barely need to reach them... But it's still far from perfect, and probably not usable as described for people with small hands. I'd definitely prefer bigger buttons, for one thing. And for another, them sitting further down.

      The best arrangement that I've seen on a reader so far is Sony PRS-505 (pic). Note that both round buttons down there can be used for page flipping. The trick is that you grip one from below, such that it is between your thumb and the rest of your fingers, leaning it back so that its weight is against the index finger (and indirectly against the other three). Your thumb is then directly over the page flipping buttons - and because there's one on either side on the book, you can hold it in either left or right hand. It is a very convenient arrangement for sitting (e.g. in a bus), because if you put the elbow on your leg to keep the arm steady, it feels like the most natural way to hold the book in the first place.

      With Kindle and others, you have to hold it on the side because that's where the page flipping buttons are, and that means that other (unsupported) side works as a lever against your fingers with all its weight.

    8. Re:Ebooks are great by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      None of the currently selling eReaders require you to use DRM - they will read non-DRMed books if you provide such.

      Kindle is also nice in that it has a built-in browser, which lets you use third party shops to purchase & download such books right from the device (using Amazon's "free" 3G). I suspect Nook might have something like that also, or at least NookColor - but I haven't seen it, so I don't know for sure.

    9. Re:Ebooks are great by Asic+Eng · · Score: 1

      Well that doesn't help me much - it's only useful for me if I can purchase the books I want without DRM. That there are other books without DRM is nice, but that only provides a small section of the reading material I actually want to access. I'm not interested in breaking the DRM either.

      As for the Kindle - well Amazon won't sell anything to me anymore, because they have problems with another guy, living in another state who happens to have the same name as me. (Admittedly I have a somewhat rare name. They told me they have no problem whatsoever with my account - an account which I had for over 10 years... Oh well.) That's of course very specific to my case, but if you google a bit you'll find lots of people having lost access to their Amazon accounts and/or Kindles. (Apparently one interesting way to get your account blocked, is moving abroad and continuing to buy books via the US store.) Even if I could get my account reactivated (or open another one) I wouldn't trust them with anything which would make me dependent on them.

    10. Re:Ebooks are great by Asic+Eng · · Score: 1

      I'll pass. If I have to resort to cracking, then I won't buy. I'm sure I could get it already cracked via torrent.

    11. Re:Ebooks are great by anethema · · Score: 1

      Haha I go to Mexico every year. Mostly to relax. Spend a couple hours at the beach, some time in town, rest at the place just relaxing. Usually read a couple hrs in the morning and couple in the afternoon.

      I try to fit the spear fishing, scuba diving, freediving, etc in, in between :)

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    12. Re:Ebooks are great by ryzvonusef · · Score: 1

      I honestly have not yet found an e-reader that is comfortable to hold while reading.

      Hmmm, How about this one?

      http://www.pocketbook-usa.com/products/pocketbook-360/

      I like the handy size and the nice big buttons, plus the rotating screen to fit any way you like.

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    13. Re:Ebooks are great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It definitely is much more comfortable after a few days.

  11. The Problem is Still An Outdated Publisher's Model by sarbonn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm a novelist who has been published by legacy publishers (old style of publishing). As a writer who has moved over to the e-reader market, I've been doing a lot of networking with a lot of writers who are writing specifically for Kindle and Nook markets. What's interesting is that publishers still want to force their tiny royalty schedule onto writers, even though the costs to the publishers have gone to practically nothing. Sure, in the beginning, a publisher puts forth a bit of the upfront costs (including an advance), but what then happens is that the writer receives a tiny fraction of the profit. This was somewhat fine with the legacy model, but now with e-readers, publishers STILL want to keep 90 percent of the profit. One of my publishers sent me an email informing me that because my sales were good, they were going to "reward" me with 20 percent of ebook sales. Yet, when I put books directly onto the Kindle, I received 70 percent of the profit (Amazon keeps 30 percent). Until publishers start moving into the future of this dynamic, the industry is going to make a move much like the music industry did. Right now, publishers are scrambling to maintain control, because the only real positive they have in their favor is that they used to be able to get your books into a bookstore. Now, anyone can get onto the Internet and Amazon. All they have left to offer is marketing, and strangely enough, about ten years ago, unless you were a Stephen King level of writer, they weren't doing any marketing for lower level writers. Which means, the publishing industry is about to implode.

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  12. Publishing industry is dead... by crabel · · Score: 2

    One of my favorites autors (mostly selfpublishing nowadays) predicts that it will collapse by the end of the year. I guess he is right, e.g. there is this self-publishing guy, who sells a couple of 100,000 ebooks per year for 99 cent. And that other guy, who refused 500 grand and selfpublishes instead. http://www.michaelastackpole.com/?p=2436 http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/03/09/0618234/Crime-Writer-Makes-a-Killing-With-99-Cent-E-Books http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/03/22/0125218/Best-Selling-Author-Refuses-500k-Self-Publishes-Instead

    1. Re:Publishing industry is dead... by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think we're going to see dramatic changes in publishing, but not to that extent. Self-publishing is great if you've already built up a reputation through print publishing, but for someone who's just starting out as a writer they're stuck with trying to differentiate themselves from the 99% of self-published fiction that's simply dire.

      Having a known publisher's logo on your ebook is going to be beneficial for quite some time, if only to say 'give this book a try, it's not crap like all those other ones you've looked at'. Plus most writers want to write, not spend time marketing, creating book covers, etc.

    2. Re:Publishing industry is dead... by xMrFishx · · Score: 2

      It might be interesting then to establish a quality mark for self-publishers as a way of denoting quality reading. I guess this would really be a publisher who operated entirely around ebooks, but didn't run at the costs of a major publisher. I'm thinking small percent profit instead of $Everything for the sake of handling operating costs. I'd say have a free one, which could also work, but then you'd get a scratch mine scratch yours system where quality could slip, thus defeating the point of the system. A small cost system would work though as it would barely raise the overhead cost of an Ebook for the sake of having a third party body vouch for it.

    3. Re:Publishing industry is dead... by WhirlwindMonk · · Score: 1

      I have never in my life looked for a publisher's mark to determine if a book is good. I read the back, and with the advent of the internet, I read reviews. So, if I saw an independently published book with an interesting description but no reviews for 99 cents, I'd probably grab it because 1) I want to support self publishing and the end of the old publisher business model and 2) because, for 99 cents, so what if it's bad? I can find that much on my bedroom floor. I pay that much for a freaking cookie sometimes, and a good book lasts a lot longer than a cookie.

    4. Re:Publishing industry is dead... by 0123456 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have never in my life looked for a publisher's mark to determine if a book is good.

      You didn't need to, because if it didn't have a publisher's mark on the cover it wasn't on the bookstore shelf. Getting into a bookstore was pretty much impossible for self-published fiction for the last few decades, which is why self-publishing has only become popular again now that it's become so easy.

      Seriously, I looked at about a hundred self-published ebook samples recently. Most of them were dire, most of the rest were barely readable and the only ones I considered buying were the books that had previously been published in print but the rights had reverted to the author who was self-publishing them as ebooks.

      I'd love to support more self-published authors, but I'm having a hard time finding any I can read more than two pages of without wanting to throw the ebook across the room.

    5. Re:Publishing industry is dead... by WhirlwindMonk · · Score: 1

      So...if I never looked for one before, why would I start now? Because you tend to find the good, cheap ebooks tend to have one? I have read far too much trash that has not only been published, but published and highly praised to give a crap about a publisher's mark.

    6. Re:Publishing industry is dead... by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      So...if I never looked for one before, why would I start now? Because you tend to find the good, cheap ebooks tend to have one? I have read far too much trash that has not only been published, but published and highly praised to give a crap about a publisher's mark.

      There's still a big difference between trash and unreadable. At least you could potentially read to the end of the trash novel without wanting to pull your own brain out through your nose.

      Seriously, go read a hundred self-published novel samples and see if you still feel the same way. Or go to fanfiction.net, read a few hundred random stories there and realise that the average self-published ebook isn't much better (they are generally a bit better because the formatting, etc, means they need a bit more dedication to release... on the other hand they don't have a competent set of characters and storylines to steal from the way fan fiction does).

    7. Re:Publishing industry is dead... by anyaristow · · Score: 1

      for 99 cents, so what if it's bad? I can find that much on my bedroom floor.

      If you have all the time in the world, you can afford to try all the books you can buy with the money in your sofa. But if you don't, the difference between 99 cents and 7.99 isn't meaningful if the 99 cent version is far more likely to be a waste of your time.

    8. Re:Publishing industry is dead... by WhirlwindMonk · · Score: 1

      There's still a big difference between trash and unreadable. At least you could potentially read to the end of the trash novel without wanting to pull your own brain out through your nose.

      The stuff I had to read in my Modern American Lit class in high school begs to differ.

      And, honestly, even if I do find huge amounts of crap from self-published people, that still isn't going to make me look for a publisher's mark. The degree of badness may vary, but I imagine if I got a hundred random recently published fantasy books (my favorite genre), I would put down just as many out of boredom or irritation. Especially when you look at this ridiculous obsession with hunk vampires going on right now.

    9. Re:Publishing industry is dead... by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Personally I avoid self-published books; I just don't have the time and energy to wade through the junk. Frankly, most people who want to be writers lack the ability, and always will, but they have this image of themselves as uniquely talented, but it's just not so. At least with publishers someone else waded through the slush pile.

    10. Re:Publishing industry is dead... by WhirlwindMonk · · Score: 1

      for 99 cents, so what if it's bad? I can find that much on my bedroom floor.

      If you have all the time in the world, you can afford to try all the books you can buy with the money in your sofa. But if you don't, the difference between 99 cents and 7.99 isn't meaningful if the 99 cent version is far more likely to be a waste of your time.

      That's the big "if," isn't it? But considering there's quite a bit of good writing that's cheap or free, and quite a bit of crap writing that's $10+, I don't see price as an indication of quality.

      Plus, a good book is valuable enough to me that I'm willing to waste some hours on a few duds on the chance I'll find a good one.

    11. Re:Publishing industry is dead... by Kyont · · Score: 1

      That's not a bad idea. An e-book publisher no longer has to print and distribute (or if they do, it costs almost nothing). But there is still a place for them in providing services for self-published authors, things like finding a decent editor, setting up readings, perhaps maintaining a web site, etc. I would think many authors would still be willing to give up a small cut for these kinds of services provided by a "corporate umbrella".

      On the other, from the consumer/reader point of view, I would be skeptical of the "quality mark" idea. I'm having trouble thinking of anything I get from a quality mark that I don't get more and better of from things like Amazon reviews or your favorite genre book blog. Still, perhaps the label would at least tell people "this book had an editor" which is more than many self-published books full of egregious errors can say...

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    12. Re:Publishing industry is dead... by anyaristow · · Score: 1

      The 99 cent version is far more likely to be a waste of time if it hasn't been vetted by a publisher to reject total garbage. With self-publishing, every single person finding the book has to do the vetting.

      I haven't found a single self-published title that I thought was worth the price, even at $0. I'm sure they're out there, but the abundance of garbage makes them very time-consuming to find. It's a far better use of my time to stick to the books that have been reviewed by reliable people and recommended by *my* friends. Books reviewed by the author's friends almost universally suck.

      Every time I spend an hour selecting, sampling and rejecting a dud, I've essentially paid for (with my time) a couple full-price books. The cost isn't an issue anymore.

    13. Re:Publishing industry is dead... by IICV · · Score: 1

      Having a known publisher's logo on your ebook is going to be beneficial for quite some time, if only to say 'give this book a try, it's not crap like all those other ones you've looked at'. Plus most writers want to write, not spend time marketing, creating book covers, etc.

      The other thing people forget all the time is that books don't just pop into existence as a perfect mass of storytelling and drama; every good publisher has editors on staff, who work with the authors in order to take the book from "acceptable" to "great". If you read almost any author's blog, you'll almost certainly see lots of comments from them about the editing process.

      Ever wonder why the first Wheel of Time books were so much better than the later ones? Initially, Robert Jordan wasn't such a huge name, so the editors could keep him from too much faffing around in the story; afterwards, he had significantly more clout, and the editors were more willing to rely on his judgement which led to five hundred page novels that advanced the plot by about a week.

      So yeah. While I'm no fan of the publishing system as it is today (I shouldn't have to pay $8.00 for a paperback in a brick and mortar store!), saying that all publishers do is put books in stores and take a cut isn't really giving them enough credit.

      I could totally see publishing houses surviving into the future by 1. providing a reputable, "you'll probably like this book" mark and 2. providing services to authors, like editing, marketing, advances and other such things.

      They just need to realize that their core business isn't plonking books down on shelves at the local bookstore, it's doing whatever it takes to put good books into people's hands.

    14. Re:Publishing industry is dead... by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      In truth, you can self-publish on paper as well today, so if a bad writer is particularly delusional about his importance, he can still get at you. E.g. check out this (and read the 1&2-star reviews).

    15. Re:Publishing industry is dead... by AJWM · · Score: 1

      A mark is something I've seen discussed in some pro writers' circles. It's overhead, though, and trying to get a bunch of writers to agree on something is worse than herding cats.

      Some suggestions: pay attention to who the author is -- if you've like what they've written before odds are you'll like them again. If you haven't read them, what credibility do they have? Have they also written traditionally published stuff? Are they members of a professional writers organization (MWA, HWA, RWA, SFWA, etc)? Reader reviews? Amazon references ("readers who bought X also bought Y")?

      And, for what little consolation it might be, now you know what a slush reader goes through at a traditional publisher. ;-)

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    16. Re:Publishing industry is dead... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having Harper Collins' logo on your ebook means that libraries are going to think twice about stocking your book in electronic form, since they've invented ebooks that "wear out".

      Reputations can cut both ways.

    17. Re:Publishing industry is dead... by JimFive · · Score: 1

      This discussion has made me think that it might be a good idea to look at who the editor is for the ebook. Books with a good editor will at least be readable, if even they aren't worthwhile to read. Unedited books are much more likely to be trash. Ideally, the editting contract would have a provision for the editor withdrawing es name from the book if it doesn't meet es standards. A new writer would be able to hire a competent editor to gain a certain amount of credibility.
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  13. Culture crash by h1q · · Score: 2

    I can envision a future with pervasive encrypted permissions in which a glitch or attack will cause us to lose access to a significant part of our writings and media for an indeterminate period of time.
    A world without open source books and readers will be like giving us Harkonnen heart-plugs.

    1. Re:Culture crash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hal Draper's "MS Fnd in a Lbry" is a dry but fun short sci-fi satire from the '60s. It describes a situation where abstracted information (specifically the sum of human knowledge) becomes inaccessible due to circular references and the like. I think I originally saw it mentioned on Slashdot when discussing these same issues a few years back.

  14. In Soviet Russia . . . by cashman73 · · Score: 1

    E-books read YOU!

  15. Note to Publishers: I'm Done with Black and White. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd like to see a breakdown of that success over the type of E-readers out there. Is the newer readers playing any kind of role in the adoption of E-books? How about a breakdown across type of books? Are the new color children's books any kind of success? How about magazines?

  16. Re:The Problem is Still An Outdated Publisher's Mo by kvvbassboy · · Score: 1

    One of my publishers sent me an email informing me that because my sales were good, they were going to "reward" me with 20 percent of ebook sales. Yet, when I put books directly onto the Kindle, I received 70 percent of the profit (Amazon keeps 30 percent).

    Interesting. Which model brings in greater net returns to you and to the general novelist population, the legacy publishers or the kindle?

  17. My Kindle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a Kindle, at first I was turned off by it, until I started taking classes again. I have not bought an eBook yet but my Kindle can read PDF files. I've been turning all my lecture notes on ppt into PDF and reading them anywhere I go. I have also done the same with manuals and articles I need to read for school and work. I do have some old eBooks I have downloaded for free, they are given away if its an older book no one seems to care about anymore but are good reads to me.

    My only complaint is the search on Kindle sucks, I hate the buttons and wish it was touch screen. I will still reach for my computer if I have to do any real searching.

    I think soon you will see books go through the same issues music has.

  18. Make your own eBook by milesObrien · · Score: 1

    It is trivially easy and fast to make your own open, standard .pdf eBook. It takes only 1 min per 20 pages (or less) to scan a book open face on a scanner. Or use a 8MP+ digital camera on a tripod shooting a well lit open face book, turning the pages as fast as the camera is ready for the next shot. Use gscan2pdf to do minimal post processing (rotate, crop batch operations) then Save As .pdf. http://sourceforge.net/projects/gscan2pdf/ For most books, this means only 20-30 minutes total, much less than people believe. For most people earning less than $50/hr, the effort is minimal, assuming your PC is doing other things at the same time.

    1. Re:Make your own eBook by Hortensia+Patel · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure you're forgetting something important, and I'm pretty sure it's proofreading. Which should take a lot longer than 20 minutes, unless you want your readers to hate you.

      Also, PDF is completely unsuitable for ebooks. Ebooks are mostly about text. PDF is a graphics format. About the only place where it ever made any sense was portable printing; otherwise, it's like those sad "websites" you saw in the late 90s where each page was just a big GIF.

      And I've yet to see an automatic PDF-to-EPUB conversion that didn't blow goats.

    2. Re:Make your own eBook by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 1

      He was talking about scanning a book he bought. Not using a scanner to publish a book. No author types there books on type writers and scans them in lol.

    3. Re:Make your own eBook by Hortensia+Patel · · Score: 1

      He was talking about scanning a book he bought.

      Yes, using a scanner and OCR software. Which will produce lots and lots of errors.

  19. Epic Book Series by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've owned a kindle for going on a year. And I'm a big Brandon Sanderson fan, so I wonder with his new series, The Stormlight Archive, which is an epic 10 volume over ten years series, why would I start purchasing those in eBook format? What is the possibility that format is still used in 10 years, or that my purchase is still available in 10 years?

    In these instances, I will still purchase the hardcover. Paper is a better long term choice. Not to mention that I can lend it to someone else to read.

    The SirFatty.

  20. Re:The Problem is Still An Outdated Publisher's Mo by geekoid · · Score: 1

    I have talked to several authors, and in every case they make more money eBook publishing.
    There are several reasons:
    1) Anyone can do it, you don't need to go through the publishing maze in hopes that soemone will allow you to keep a tiny bit of cheese. Remember, Advances are rarely given to unknown names. The First book is written when they are shopping for a publisher.

    2) Higher percent of the profit. 60-70% v 10%.

    3) The long tail. Once your book is out there, it's out there. No worrying that the book store will stop selling it. As then author gains readers, they will continue to get money from the back log.

    4) low cost for new readers. 99 cents mean new readers are likely to give the book a try. That means more reader; wjwhich means more sales from your back catalog.

    Cons:
    Marketing. a legacy publisher will have a marketing department that is entrenched into outlets. However, they only really use it for a tiny number of author. rarely first time author.

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  21. precisely why I dont buy a kindle by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Even though the newest price has almost fallen to double digits. I'd be way too tempted to buy more books than I read and spend lots of money. Of course that is Amazon's goal.

    1. Re:precisely why I dont buy a kindle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I spent more than $100 a month at B&N. I have easily paid for my nook whith the savings over hard copy books.

  22. PRS-650 by muckracer · · Score: 1

    Anyone have experience with that model? Seems to look good, but never saw it 'live'...

    Also seems to be very hard to get. Even the Sony store here doesn't have it. :-/

    1. Re:PRS-650 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. I have the original prs-500, as did my wife. Loved the device. Just got her the prs-650 about 2 months ago. Now I'm kind of jealous! Love the touch-screen on the 650. Makes it easy to add notes, look up words in the dictionary, etc. And the screen is very clear (especially compared to the 500).

      My brother has a kindle, and I played with it for a while. He loves it, but I still prefer the Sony.

    2. Re:PRS-650 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a PRS-650 and just love it. I started reading a lot more ever since I got an e-book reader. It make it much easier for me to queue up reading material and take them with me. The reader looks like a USB drive when connected to my netbook running Linux. I get most of my reading material from Project Gutenberg and simply save the EPUB files to the reader's database/media/books sub-folder.

      The PRS-650 has faster page refreshes and better screen contrast than the PRS-505 I sent to Sony for repairs (they gave me a new PRS-650 instead of returning the repaired PRS-505). I usually use the touch screen instead of the buttons for turning pages. The built in dictionary is also convenient for looking up the meaning of archaic words found in some of the books I read.

      I wish it had WiFi and a browser to read on-line newspapers and support for East Asian languages.

    3. Re:PRS-650 by fafaforza · · Score: 1

      They've been having supply issues for a good while now. There are even rumors that Sony is not replenishing the supply because they want to get out of the eReader business. They might not be able to compete with Amazon on price, with amazon having a huge book store to offset low device prices.

      But at the same time, the Sony supports more formats, whereas the Kindle doesn't open ePub. You can also rent books from the library, which I don't think the Kindle supports.

      The device itself is great. Highlighting text is easy, and you can add notes to each highlight. Looking up words in a dictionary is as simple as double-tapping them. It has the new Pearl screen. Small factor so it fits in your pocket. The PRS-350 is even smaller but has a greater "DPI", so the text is a bit sharper.

      Hop on mobileread.com, maybe someone local to you can meet up with you to show the device off.

    4. Re:PRS-650 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To copy files...does it need anything special or is it a simple USB Mass storage device with directory structure? I.e. can you transfer files under Linux to it?

    5. Re:PRS-650 by Kehvarl · · Score: 1

      I can't speak to the PRS 650 model directly, but I do have its immediate predecessor the PRS 600. The touch is absolutely fantastic, the built-in dictionary has been useful more than once, and the ability to highlight sections or take notes has been handy. The 650 is supposed to have an even more responsive touch, so it should be even nicer.

      I have seen the 650 screen, and it's noticeably better contrast than my 600, without the shiny coating that the 600 needed for it's resistive touch screen.

      Adding files is pretty easy, you can use the sony software, the free Calibre software (which can also convert ebooks between various formats if needed) or the 600 (and presumably 650) will show up as a mass storage device, and you can just drop ebook files into the "Documents" directory on the device itself. Additionally you can use a Sony memory stick, or an SD card for more storage and books.

      Hope this helps!

    6. Re:PRS-650 by nomadic · · Score: 1

      I have both, and I find the kindle's screen noticeably clearer and crisper. Of course, now my Sony's battery doesn't hold a charge it's kind of useless.

  23. Profit Margins and Monopolies by Oxford_Comma_Lover · · Score: 1

    > I'll be pirating my ebooks

    Try not to. Publishers have *very* slim profit margins, and supporting them lets them buy more works, which tends to increase the number of published books. Also, when you are thinking of Amazon, buy Barnes and Noble if you can--not because they're better, but because it's so important they stay in business. If Amazon becomes the sole major player, they will not only take a bigger slice of the pie than they already are (making it even harder to publish or write books), there will be one private channel controlling the majority of mass-disseminated literature.

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    -- IANAL, this isn't legal advice, and definitely isn't legal advice for you. Also, Squee!
    1. Re:Profit Margins and Monopolies by Omestes · · Score: 2

      . Publishers have *very* slim profit margins, and supporting them lets them buy more works, which tends to increase the number of published books.

      I think that was part of his point. Who cares about publishers? The game should between readers and writers, everything else is superfluous fluff. Publishers are like music labels, ancient and archaic and holding back culture and progress to maintain an outdated and outmoded business model. Looking at how publishers handle ebooks, and more specifically ebook pricing, I find a hard time having much sympathy for them, myself.

      I do try to support other retailers that aren't Amazon, I bought a Nook instead of a Kindle. Not for that reason, but because its more open, and I trust B&N more after the whole Amazon 1984 fiasco. I am saddened at the death of Borders. Soon books will be like consumer electronics where I live, a complete monoculture dominated by one company (Best Buy and Fry's if you want an unpleasant adventure), or games (Gamestop, and only Gamestop).

      Though be honest, most of my books come from used bookstores. Book prices have become very bloated these days, and the advent of cursed "trade paperbacks" pretty much stopped me from really seeking new books out, unless their by authors I know. I used to rely on the library, but they turned into Blockbuster clones, only catering to people who want DVDs (and perhaps teen supernatural fiction... my local branch has no Steinbeck or Hemingway... none) Used bookstores are among to last awesome places in the world.

      Actually literature's worst enemy is probably the publisher, these days. Being hostile to ebooks, libraries, and pricing things as luxury goods (books, shouldn't they be cheap and ubiquitous, the more readers the better).

      That said, I have no problem with pirating ebooks when I already own the physical copy. I see it as no different than torrenting mp3s of albums I already own. If they made ebook prices sane, I'd probably just buy them instead, and I'd probably buy a whole of a lot more. Make ebooks competitive with the used market, and your customer base would expand. Make ebooks competative to new paperbacks and... well... I'm sure something happens, probably nothing good though.

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      A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. -edward abbey
    2. Re:Profit Margins and Monopolies by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      Book prices have become very bloated these days, and the advent of cursed "trade paperbacks" pretty much stopped me from really seeking new books out, unless their by authors I know.

      Seriously? One of those "cursed" paperbacks still costs less than an IMAX movie, which only lasts 100 minutes. Assuming neither is discounted, a book costs less than a DVD or a CD. For a guy who talks about reading, you sure don't seem to value it very much. And what's so "cursed" about a high-quality paperback edition with comfortable-sized type?

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      Breakfast served all day!
    3. Re:Profit Margins and Monopolies by Omestes · · Score: 1

      Seriously? One of those "cursed" paperbacks still costs less than an IMAX movie, which only lasts 100 minutes.

      It isn't the price, it isn't the quality, its the fact that they found a way to further fleece customers. It used to be that a book spend around a year being a "premium" hardcover, and then it turned into a cheaper paperback that cost around a third of the price. Now it drops down to a trade which might cost only half of the price if your lucky. And it sits there, and they, generally, never release an actual old-style paper back unless its a book by a "commodity" author like Stephen King.

      I can afford them, and I do purchase them, I just recognize that they are a cash grab, and that annoys me. They can't cost much more than old-style paperbacks to produce, but they still charge a premium.

      Assuming neither is discounted, a book costs less than a DVD or a CD.

      A hardcover costs around twice a CD, and around $5 less than DVD (though they've been creeping up in price too) and is about comparable with a BlueRay.. A trade paperback costs around the same as CD or normally priced DVD. A regular paperback costs around $2-3 cheaper than a CD. And the book is about comparable with a CD or DVD, though many of them are still more expensive.

      or a guy who talks about reading, you sure don't seem to value it very much.

      Heh. I value it quite a bit, but I don't like being gouged, and I'm not a fan of publishers. Publisher could all die off, and I wouldn't lose a bit of sleep. I value reading to the point where I think it should cheap and affordable so everyone can go buy a new book at whim. I think books should be cheap and ubiquitous, thats how much I value them.

      I value books, but I value not paying more than I have to more. I have the available spending money to buy books. But I only, pretty much, buy them used.

      Also, I haven't been to an IMAX movie since I was eight years old at some national park. They, for me, aren't worth the money. And again, I haven't been to a theater in years, the experience isn't worth the money. I'll wait for it to hit Netflix, it beats sitting in a dark, crowded room that reeks of piss, surrounded by idiots on cellphones, and loud teenagers, and people taking their young children to non-age-appropriate movies (who takes an 8 year old to see Halloween II?). I will spend money, but only on things that are worth it.

      I don't need to read your book. I have around 100 square feet of books sitting in my living room, and between my family and friends I have twice that available to me. I have three decent large used book stores down the road. I have, if it comes down to it, a local library that is a bit better than the old "municiple blockbuster" that used to be by my apartment.

      I value reading, not publishers, not making more money for people who didn't write the book. I don't care about your business model.

       

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      A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. -edward abbey
    4. Re:Profit Margins and Monopolies by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      I value reading, not publishers, not making more money for people who didn't write the book. I don't care about your business model.

      But that's a little disingenuous, don't you think? One hundred percent of the money you pay for a book doesn't go to the author, therefore you refuse to give the author anything. You start out saying it's not the price, then proceed to give ten arguments why you won't spend money on books. And I still say books don't cost that much. A book costs less than a meal in a restaurant -- which took more effort to make?

      Spending money on used books instead of new ones supports local used bookstores, so I respect and approve of that. But you act like you have some kind of vendetta against new books, which still doesn't make any sense to me. I don't think you've done the math. A trade paperback today costs less than four gallons of gas, which might let you drive for an hour. I'll take the book, and I'll be happy the author got to make some money from it.

      --
      Breakfast served all day!
  24. Cue obligatory "read in the bathtub" response. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jesus Christ. Add up all the time ive spent in the tub in my adult life and I couldn't get through a Nancy Drew book. Do adults really spend that much time in bathtubs with paper books?

    1. Re:Cue obligatory "read in the bathtub" response. by fafaforza · · Score: 1

      That, and taking a magazine with you to the toilet. If you're spending that much time on the throne, you either don't have to go, or should see a doctor.

  25. ebooks in brick-and-mortar bookstores, please. by hendrikboom · · Score: 2

    I like to browse in bookstores with physical books. I haven't found any kind of e-browsing that competes with it. The only thing that's close to it is to download the entire book and page freely.

    To avoid overfilling my house with bookshelves, or putting shelves in front of shelves and making them inaccessible, I've decided to use e-books whenever possible (they still don't work well for art books, for example).

    When I decide to buy the book I'm browsing as a paper copy, I'd like to buy and download it on the spot. Even sweeter if the brick-and-mortar bookstore would get a cut of the price so I'm not pushing the place I browse out of business,

    -- hendrik

    1. Re:ebooks in brick-and-mortar bookstores, please. by Centurion5 · · Score: 1

      Book stores should be able to let you fully browse any book or magazine on your reader while you are in their store and click on a buy now button to allow you to walk away owning it. If you leave without purchasing the item it should no longer be available on your device. Barnes & Noble could do this with their nook and it would draw digital readers into their stores. They could co-op with private book stores and allow this in their shops too. Just a thought...

  26. Re:The Problem is Still An Outdated Publisher's Mo by hedwards · · Score: 1

    Publishers vary quite a bit in terms of both royalties and freedom they provide to the customer. I'm not sure what O'Reilly pays for the books they publish, but the terms of the digital distribution are really generous. No DRM, multiple formats and sometimes even minor updates to the book.

    The main downside with them is a lot of the older books are still PDF. But the ebooks are often cheaper than the print and you can even get the two bundled together if you wish.

    As far as novels go, I don't know of any that are that progressive.

  27. Re:The Problem is Still An Outdated Publisher's Mo by clodney · · Score: 1

    Cons:
    Marketing. a legacy publisher will have a marketing department that is entrenched into outlets. However, they only really use it for a tiny number of author. rarely first time author.

    We all like to pretend that marketing is evil/stupid/useless, but the reality is that it makes a big difference. My brother is a full time author, and once upon a time a book he wrote was victim of the publishers reorg, and he ended up with no marketing effort from the publisher at all. It was in their catalog, but nothing more than that. Compared to everything else he has written, the book completely tanked. Ordinarily the publisher sends out review copies to book reviewers, they schedule readings and signings with booksellers, they arrange displays or promotions in the bookstores, radio interviews, etc. All of those drive interest in a book, and convince the booksellers to order more. Just having 4 or 5 copies on a shelf vs 1 is a huge help - it stick out that much more to people browsing the stacks.

    With online selling it gets more complicated, but you still have the question of how to make people aware of your book so that they are willing to make the purchase.

  28. The world continues ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    to get a little meaner every day, and they call it progress. What next, e-lunch and e-beer ?

  29. I really wanted to buy e-books, really I did by Shivetya · · Score: 1

    but I am not going to pay nine dollars for a paperback I can buy used for two dollars. Worse, the author passed many years ago and gave the rights to his university. So now the e-book version costs as much as the large format paper back versions, the small ones are seven dollars or such.

    Where is the value? Out of the the ten or so e-books I tried to buy only one had price parity with paperbacks, the rest were priced over ten dollars a pop and in all cases I am looking at books over ten years old, many twenty.

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    * Winners compare their achievements to their goals, losers compare theirs to that of others.
    1. Re:I really wanted to buy e-books, really I did by darkwing_bmf · · Score: 1

      Not all ebooks are the same price. Look around. Also, libraries are starting to lend ebooks.

  30. For the love of God... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can someone please explain the high cost of eBooks? I genuinely thought a revolution was right around the corner...years ago. No paper...no distribution...just the author fees and advertising, right?

    Wrong. EBooks run just underneath standard paper editions. I mean, if I was delusional I would assume that just means the author is getting more of the cut...but I'm guessing that simply isn't the case.

    I expect a digital copy, especially with DRM, should cost a third of the price of a paperback. Is it I who is mad?

    1. Re:For the love of God... by darkwing_bmf · · Score: 1

      Here's the explanation: It takes time for these things to change. Also, most of the cost of the book isn't in the actual copy of the book (in either format).

    2. Re:For the love of God... by fafaforza · · Score: 1

      eBooks are definitely still in their infancy and it will be a while before everything sorts itself out.

      But I have to wonder what the cost of making a book it. From the energy for the printing press, to the frequent maintenance, and the techs to keep the thing running. Then you have distribution, trucking the stuff around, and then buying back unsold stock, trying to figure out how many books to sent to which store. That would take considerable man hours.

      Compare that to a 500kB file that you put up on a web server that a few people edited into the finished product. You can slap it in the cloud so someone else takes care of the servers. There should be oodles of savings.

      What other expenses are there in the book business? Execs that are unwilling to give up their koosh jobs having meetings all day?

    3. Re:For the love of God... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Simple, blame the whiny publishers.

      I don't understand how ten years of history with e-books disappeared the moment amazon stepped onto the scene with the kindle. I used to buy all kinds of popular books from fictionwise and related sites for far less than the paperback price (I was paying $3-$4 when others were paying closer to $8 for print.) The DRM was simple and never inconvenienced me. Then the kindle appeared and suddenly everyone was raving about this "new" market. Now the larger publishers are forcing prices to match the print prices. As far as I can tell, they're trying to hold back the switch to digital by pushing the prices above the "impulse buy" range.

      I buy far fewer books than I used to. In fact, I've been switching back to print more often than not. I bailed on fictionwise as soon as they were forced to stop their loyalty program (things like rebates and sales prices) and I was expected to pay twice as much for the same product. Fuck the large publishers. I'm on the lookout for some good indie fiction.

    4. Re:For the love of God... by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Can someone please explain the high cost of eBooks?

      As with anything else on the market, the price is whatever people will pay for (or will not pay, in which case the seller setting prices eventually goes out of business).

    5. Re:For the love of God... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Making dead-tree books and shipping them around aren't all that expensive, and this is the main expense ebooks don't have. Instead of low per-item costs, ebooks have near-zero per-item costs.

      The big expense comes in getting the book ready for printing. The publisher has to wade through a lot of submissions, and the rejects are frequently pretty bad. Then there's editing, which is a process of working with the author to improve the book. That's labor-intensive, but improves the quality greatly. Publishers also look for possible legal problems, so the book is unlikely to trigger a lawsuit. (Consider "John, google that for me." That will provoke a response from Google if they notice it, as it hurts their trademark. It isn't a matter of Google being jerks, but rather the fact that under US trademark law they have to take action when they see something like that or risk losing their trademark. The publisher will change it to "John, do a Google search on that for me." or something similar, whatever Google's legal department figures they can safely allow.) Creating an attractive package is more expensive for a dead tree edition than an electronic edition, but that's not going to be a big difference.

      AFAICT, publishers price books by taking their rather large fixed costs and amortizing them over the expected amount sold. The only way to make an ebook cheaper is to sell more of them, so the fixed costs can be spread over a larger number of sales.

      The problem with increasing sales is that book demand is actually pretty inelastic. At least in developed countries, people tend to buy the books they want and no more, over a rather large range of prices. That's why a paperback might cost $8 today when it would have cost less than a dollar in the early 1970s - inflation hasn't gone up that much, but if you can sell ten thousand copies at three dollars each or eight thousand copies at eight dollars each, which do you think a publisher will pick?

      Part of that is because physical shelf space is limited, and so booksellers had no real use for books that would have to be sold cheaper, so there was no point in selling a book at a low cost because that's what it took to drive sales. This became less of an issue in the 1990s, when Amazon became important, since Amazon can stock lots and lots of titles with no regard for shelf space. Shelf space in the home is also a consideration: I'm reluctant to buy a dead-tree book I'm likely not to read because I have to store the thing in my house. This becomes less of a consideration with ebooks: since I got my Nook, I've acquired far more ebooks than I've actually read so far. It costs me about nothing to keep massive numbers of books around on the grounds that I might read them.

      Therefore, ebooks have the potential to change fiction publishing dramatically, by making demand more elastic and therefore allowing the possibility of more sales at a lower price. Publishers are approaching this cautiously, because they aren't sure of the demand curve. If they cut the price of the ebooks dramatically, they might make a lot more money, or they might go bankrupt.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  31. Re:The Problem is Still An Outdated Publisher's Mo by darkwing_bmf · · Score: 1

    Ordinarily the publisher sends out review copies to book reviewers, they schedule readings and signings with booksellers, they arrange displays or promotions in the bookstores, radio interviews, etc. All of those drive interest in a book, and convince the booksellers to order more.

    Couldn't the author or a good assistant do this a lot cheaper?

  32. Publishers made that choice by Rix · · Score: 1

    Publishers chose to train readers to associate high cost initial releases to higher quality binding rather that the release time. If, as they claim, hardcovers cost not much more than paperbacks to manufacture, they've been putting out books in lower quality bindings,why, just to be dicks?

    They've made their bed, now it's time to lie in it. Ebooks will be priced based on the quality of the manufacture, not their release date. The difference can come out of their bottom line.

  33. You're giving them exactly what they want by Rix · · Score: 1

    Publishers hate ebooks. They would far rather you buy paperbacks, which is why they're being such dicks about prices and "windowing".

    If you want to protest, pirate.

    1. Re:You're giving them exactly what they want by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 1

      Publishers realize that they are not needed in a system where people buy e-books. They don't serve any purpose. The idea is to slow down progress till they can sell their stock and find jobs in another industry.

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  35. Single reader, many books=issue by Impish · · Score: 1

    I bought my wife a Kindle for X-mas a couple years ago. She, unlike me, has no issues with DRM. The Kindle fits in really well with a type of book I like to call 'brain candy', fun to read, not deep, no value in re-reading and you sure as hell don't want a copy sitting around your house for the next couple of years.* The whole Twilight series falls firmly in to this category. Read once, discard.

    Then she read a book she knew I'd enjoy, I wanted to read it. That's when it hit me, there is only a single device to read the books on. I'd like to read the book she finished but I can't because she's reading another book. It is the equivalent of having a massive library, but you can't take the books out, and only a single person at a time can enter the library.**

    I can see why the publishing companies love electronic books. If I want to read a copy of a book she already owns I have to buy another copy of it, or wait until she isn't using the Kindle ... which is rare.

    *I'm lazy. Yes I could have a garage sale, yes I could give them to a book bank, yes I could ship them to the third world where they to could enjoy sparkly vampires. Reality is, they just sit around the house taking up space.

    ** Yes, yes, I could go online and figure out how to hack the Kindle and export all the books and import them on to my laptop to read. I don't want to read on my laptop and if it was a paper book I could just pick it up and read it.

    1. Re:Single reader, many books=issue by bws111 · · Score: 1

      So buy another Kindle for yourself. You can read any of her books without buying another copy (you can use six devices on the same account). You can also read the same books at the same time, which is kind of hard to do with one copy of a physical book.

    2. Re:Single reader, many books=issue by AJWM · · Score: 1

      If I want to read a copy of a book she already owns I have to buy another copy of it, or wait until she isn't using the Kindle ... which is rare.

      The big ebook distributers, including Amazon, are now making it possible to lend ebooks. Of course that has to be enabled by the publisher. (It makes most sense to enable it for newer authors -- the more new readers they can reach, the better.)

      Mind, there's still the format problem if one of you has a Kindle and the other a Nook or whatever.

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      -- Alastair
    3. Re:Single reader, many books=issue by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 1

      You can access her books with your PC or your smart phone at no extra cost. Or you could buy another kindle. They have a cheep small version. You can have multiple devices for her account. It basically works the same way as Itunes. (Except it is better since they allow you to re-download stuff)

    4. Re:Single reader, many books=issue by Impish · · Score: 1

      I didn't realize you could point multiple Kindles at the same account. Thanks for the information .. she *has* been pushing for a new Kindle. Guess I may be looking at the hand-me-down.

  36. Re:The Problem is Still An Outdated Publisher's Mo by jollyreaper · · Score: 1

    I'm a novelist who has been published by legacy publishers (old style of publishing).

    Ah, excellent! Here's a question: what would you consider the production costs to be of your book?

    My assumption has always been that it's:
    1. 90% the time involved for the writer to write, usually a year for a standard commercial novel
    2. 10% for a really good editor to help him pull his thoughts together

    That's to get the manuscript ready. Then there's all of the other costs of printing, distributing, and marketing and that's why the writer sees pennies on the dollar for any book that's sold in the store.

    I think Amazon's probably taking a little too much in comparison to what they're offering but it's still much better than the publisher's deal. How many dollars in total sales would you need each year for a comfortable income, writing full-time? In legacy publishing it looks like you need to be selling millions and millions of dollars worth of product just to support a modest income.

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  37. Could have been more... by Builder · · Score: 1

    There are LOADS of books available as eBooks in the USA that I can't buy in the UK.

    I've tried to give them my money, but they don't seem to want it. Thank heavens for torrents.

  38. Re:The Problem is Still An Outdated Publisher's Mo by clodney · · Score: 1

    Perhaps, but I suspect that in practice it is something where experience makes a big difference. Do you know the contact information of the book reviewer for the local paper in ? Do you even know the local papers in ? Do you know the bookstores that are willing to host readings and signings? Do you have the contacts that know you are bona-fide and not some crank who has written trash that will never sell?

    The internet makes answering the first few questions much easier than it was a dozen years ago. But the credibility part is still a factor. The bookstore knows that the publisher has put money into a book with a fairly objective notion that it will make money. Far too many authors have wildly unrealistic expectations about how many people want to buy their book.

  39. The format shuffle begins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The book publishing association acknowledged that readers have 'made e-books permanent additions to their lifestyle,'

    The recording industry felt the same way about 8-track cassettes in 1966.

  40. Re:The Problem is Still An Outdated Publisher's Mo by AJWM · · Score: 1

    If you're a Name, traditional publishing gets you more money faster -- for now. If you're unknown, it's a toss-up (and depends on how well you write and in what genre).

    A number of best-selling traditional authors have made news lately by turning down publisher offers (in at least one case, a $500,000 advance) to go indie with ebooks. And one highly successful indie author (Amanda Hocking) just accepted a seven-figure deal from a traditional publisher.

    I'm a relatively new author (I'm a SFWA pro based on short story sales, but no novels published yet). The advance I could reasonably expect on a first novel -- which would take a year or two to see print -- I could make in that same two years of e-book sales at 5 copies a day (at $2.99 list).

    Mind, it takes a newbie quite a while to build up to 5 a day (and if you only have one title, you might never get there -- the more titles you have up, the easier it is for readers to find you, and the more potential reward for them in investing the time and money to see if they like your writing.)

    Of course if you're good and prolific enough to hit JA Konrath or Amanda Hocking territory, you too can sell a thousand or more a day. But it takes years to get there.

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    -- Alastair