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Computer Records Hold Key In IMF Head's Sexual Assault Case
Hugh Pickens writes "ABA Journal reports that the chief of the International Monetary Fund may claim consent as a defense to accusations that he sexually assaulted a maid at the Sofitel Hotel in New York as defense lawyer Benjamin Brafman told the judge he believed the 'forensic evidence' was 'not consistent with forcible encounter.' Police have said the maid knocked on Strauss-Kahn's door and called out, used her master keycard to open the door, and left her work cart in the doorway, a typical safety practice in hotels. According to the police account, Strauss-Kahn emerged naked, tried to attack the maid, and then shut the hotel door when she tried to escape. The NY Times explains how the key card evidence may play out: 'If the defense for Mr. Strauss-Kahn maintains that the encounter was consensual, its version will have to accommodate the unambiguous computer record of her leaving the door propped open,' the story says."
Since when does opening a door equate to consent?
We're following this tabloid crap on Slashdot just because a door has an electronic sensor on it !? Get real, for fuck's sake.
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anyone know what lock system it is?
I only know the specifics of three electronic lock systems...
and all three that I know? only key swiping.. not closings or how long a door was open.
they can't even tell if the door was actually opened-- they can only tell that a key was used
as in, if I flash my key and the lock goes green but I don't open the door?
it records the key use but doesn't know I didn't open it.
if the master metal override key is used is also recorded (and even triggering that event in the memory)
wouldn't require the door to be opened (although it would be noticeable)
anyone know of a lock system that does all they suggest?
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tried to attack the maid, and then shut the hotel door when she tried to escape
If the defense for Mr. Strauss-Kahn maintains that the encounter was consensual, its version will have to accommodate the unambiguous computer record of her leaving the door propped open,'
Above 2 statements are contradictory
It's not opening the door, it's keeping it open with the cleaning cart that matters. Unless she was a pervert who enjoys fucking with the door open, of course.
As a french, let me tell you, thank you America for doing what our justice system failed to do for at least 10 years.
The "unambiguous computer records" at issue here are the supposed times and codes of door openings and times of closings. It's unambiguously useless for telling apart situation (a) the attempted rapist guest closes the door and (b) the maid interested in extracurricular activities closes the door.
DSK is very famous for its relationship with women. He loves sex and women love him.
Generally, the women are very satisfied. Why on earth would he run after a maid if she was not make him advances ?
In this story, only idiots could believe he is a sexual predator, the plot theory is by far the most probable.
It is not the first try to trap him on his sexual weakness, but it is the first time it is not defeated.
would be a linkage to a well-secured account on the Cayman islands, with $2 million deposited by a French entity, at the maid's discrete disposal.
"Its a trap!"
I heard on the radio the other day that hotel and city surveillance cameras were going to be the key to prove his innocence or guilt since they are virtually EVERYWHERE in New York City.
The other interesting tidbit of information is that DSK said that he would be set-up in some sort of entrapment sex scandal a few weeks before he arrived in the USA.
Makes you wonder...
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I'm sure it's just coincidence that on his first non-diplomatic trip to the US after denouncing the US Dollar Strauss-Kahn is found to be a perv, thrown in Riker's Island, and Geithner demands his resignation.
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Hmm, man walks out of bathroom after having showered only to find someone in his room who may or may not be the maid. Could he have not thought she was a burglar or simply have being trying to force her out of the room whilst he got dressed? (Hey if everyone else can speculate with no facts to go on, lets join in!)
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The maid will claim he shut the door to imprison her, he will claim they shut the door after mutually agreeing to sex. So these records prove nothing
Fortunately the accused in our system don't have to prove anything, just convince the jury that there's reasonable doubt. If it boils down to a he-said/she-said situation, that shouldn't be too hard. If there's further evidence of sexual entrapment, even easier.
But, no matter, he'll have been replaced at the IMF even before a pre-trial hearing, so the goal will have been met and it doesn't matter what the judicial outcome is.
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I bet a few people where listening to bugs planted in that room. too bad that kind of evidence will never become public.
Oooops!
Wrong administration...........never mind!
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[Wild conjecture follows:] The fellow seems snarky enough to have made that statement with foreknowledge that he planned to take advantage of the maid, so as to have his prior claims that someone might set him up would be a ready defense.
I use irony whenever I can, but my shirts are still wrinkled...
Dammit, how did Assange manage to get TWO women, I only got one, and it's the housemaid for Pete's sake...
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Who are you kidding. It's all Apple, Facebook and bitcoin here.
Hopefully she used some teeth and gargled some spit down his dick.
Remove the door before attempting rape.
"A plan fiendishly clever in its intricacies"- Homer Simpson
Has been watching too much Maid in Manhattan lately!
> Under siege by thieves who regularly got their hands on old-fashioned room keys, hotels in New York began using electronic locks on their doors in 1977 .. They would leave an electronic trail, stamped with the times that a door opened, closed or was left ajar..
I know of no such system that will detecd a door "left ajar".
> Benjamin Brafman, a lawyer for Mr. Strauss-Kahn, declared that the evidence was “not consistent with forcible encounter”
Has such evidence been released if so can we see it. I do know such systems have an offline mode where there would be no records kept. In such an offline system, each lock has to be visited in turn in order to register a master passcard. It performs some kind of checksum on the guest cards. Even if the locks were online they may not have been keeping full records.
“They would have a record of her using the key to gain access .. They should have a record of the door remaining open for X period of time, and the door lock being actuated again. The system can differentiate between the guest’s card key and the housekeeper’s master key.”
The word 'would', suggests the lawyer doesn't have any evidence, the corrected headline should read: Computer records hold key in IMF head's sexual assault, is pure speculation by the defence counsel.
A Freemason and Jew. Convoluted conspiracy yet?
Posting AC for obvious reasons. Although I'm quite certain the Reptilians know who I am in any case.
Yeah, I bet the FBI is busy rounding up all that footage even as we speak. "Yes, we need ALL the copies. Having them all helps with our investigation. And if it's digital, we'll need all your hard drives too. It's all spelled out in this subpoena that was signed by a judge the day before the rape."
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
Maybe he looked at Julian Assange and saw what happens to those who cross the U.S.
Making statements against the dollar, taking a decisive lead over a pro-U.S. administration, being a socialist...these are the kinds of things can can lead a man into a life of sex crime. tsk...tsk
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
According to a few reports I've heard, DSK is well known for making passes at women. Aggressively, in some cases. I doubt he pre-planned jumping the maid (I've seen maids in many hotels. Not always good.) but given his track record, he figured there might be some opportunity for playing grab-ass on this trip. So make the statement up front and deflect any subsequent complaints.
Have gnu, will travel.
For example, if a male guest calls for service, the housekeeping department will send up a male attendant.
“Oftentimes, male guests will order the pay-per-view adult movies, and then call for towels, perhaps hoping that a woman will be sent to bring them up,” said Peter M. Krauss, chief sales and marketing officer for Plasticard Locktech International of Asheville, N.C., which provides card keys to hotels. “So whenever they can, the hotels will send up a male if the call comes from a male guest.”
Pssht! There are three kinds of adult movies.... And for one kind, it might be safer to send a female attendant, especially if the guest ordered extra soap...
Guy has a history of sexual harassment/assault. Victim says she was assaulted and forensic evidence seems to support her account. There's no need to invent conspiracy theories here.
Just because a guy happens to be a "socialist" or French or anti-US doesn't make him *not* a rich, powerful douche who thinks he can do whatever he likes to whomever he likes. This guy violated another human being and deserves what he gets. I don't care who he is or what he thinks about our currency.
"I'm going to be framed!" Sow the seeds of reasonable doubt before the crime.
Indeed. I'm sure he had been stalking this maid for months, noting her cleaning scheduling and practicing his bathroom hiding routine. FFS, how does something like this get modding Insightful?
That, or "Hmm, there's a fair chance during this trip that I simply won't be able to resist raping a cleaning-lady or two. I'd better sow some seeds of reasonable doubt, just in case."
Either way... entirely possible, in theory, but still pretty far-fetched.
According to the Figaro (Link in french), the door was already opened by another employee, so the electronic record thing would be moot anyway.
The bit about the blow job sounds very suspect to me, not that I'm into rape, but if I was, I would not stick my dick in some ones mouth - ouch, even if she had no teeth, she could cause me an awful lot of pain with her gums.
It's called an elephant's trunk whereas it is in fact, an elephant's nose, a nose by any other name would smell as sweet
Yes, because the head of the International Monetary Fund preconceived the rape of an as-yet-unseen hotel maid in the middle of high class New York City weeks and weeks before he visited our fair city. He knew he was going to get laid, and by-god, he was going to do so by raping a hotel maid. And so he sowed those seeds of doubt long before he left his home town.
Seriously?
Looking at the comments to the story linked above, there is one relevant one (that I happen to agree with), which I will quote here.
Bob The Horse on May 17, 6:23 AM said:
@KM: That makes total sense. On your logic, his thought process must have run like this.
1. I want to run for French President. But I also want to rape people.
2. If I'm going to rape people, I would prefer to do it in a nice hotel room. I better have a cover story.
3. Give interview saying I am worried about a honeytrap.
4. Go to NY and stay in nice hotel.
5. Need to go to airport to fly back for meeting with EU leaders re: Greece, etc. But have a little bit of time to kill. Maybe can squeeze in a quick rape before my flight.
6. Here's a maid. I bet no one will ever be able to trace this back to me and it definitely won't impact my chances of being President of France.
Either he is the most stupid person in the world or he has been totally stitched up.
indeed, it makes you wonder if he didn't plan this ahead of time with the intent of framing those he claims are framing him.
According to what information we've been given as fact, the maid entered the room shortly after 12:00 noon, and he checked out at 12:28. In that time, according to the maid he chased her, forced her to give him oral, anally raped her, tried to vaginally rape her. Anyone that's anal sex knows it's save to assume he must have washed up at lest a little. We know he put on his suit before checking out. I'm not saying I have opinion either way, but that is a lot to do in 25 minutes.
that reminds me - what is *up* with porn these last few years? no i do not want to see some chick *gagging* on some guy, nor do i want to watch her spit the subsequent ropey mucuosy saliva all over him. call me crazy but i prefer to keep the vomit out of my fucking. for that matter, when did spitting before and during anal, oral, and vaginal sex become the norm?
Yes it does. Unless you're implying that he planned to rape an HIV-positive maid in NYC weeks before his trip?
I swear to God...I swear to God! That is NOT how you treat your human!
"I'm going to be framed!" Sow the seeds of reasonable doubt before the crime.
What would DSK have to gain by commiting this crime?
You know, as head of the IMF, I'm sure DSK could afford a decent call girl if he needed. In fact, what's to say this maid wasn't his call girl a la Elliot Spitzer's "Audre Dupre"?
More details needed before we decide to hang this guy publicly.
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The length of time the door was open or whether it was left open at all does not show that the alleged rape attempt took place. If a sexual act took place it could be the case that the door was initially left open but then closed because of a decision by the maid.
Some people enjoy the added thrill of sexual encounters in semi public places. I suspect that most Slashdoters will already realise that what with their expertise in internet search facilities.
Being a rich, fat, Jewish, capitalist does not make one guilty of rape.
I have no idea whether there was an assault or not and nobody else on this forum does either. The jury will likely hear a lot more evidence than any of us will read about and I dare say their decision will be based on firmer ground than the views of anyone here.
to see how obvious it was that the CIAFBIATFDEANSANRODIA hired an AIDS-ridden African immigrant to go to his room under the pretense of being a "maid" and then lure him into the hallway naked...
Clearly, the poor SOB is the victim of entrapment.
It's an unsavoury story but also strange, imagine you're the maid, you are doing a corridor of rooms, you unlock a $5000 room -- but you can hear this one has the guest in it, showering.
Why didn't she just apologize, close the door, and continue with cleaning the next room?
In her line of work this must be a common occurrence.
Also if the room had a crazy rapist, he'd have to then step into the corridor naked to assault her. Much less likely and probably has camera surveillance.
The part where she enters the room when she hears it's occupied is what I find odd.
You would think that someone _really_ worried about entrapment would avoid leaving their DNA all over a hotel maid he did not know ...
Presumption of innocence, anybody?
Anybody?
Beyond that: the guy was going to participate in elections in France, right? So at the very minimum, there is that. Also I don't know anything else about his life and his enemies, and he is/was the head of a powerful organization dealing with tons of money. Just saying.
You can't handle the truth.
You do of course realize that DSK was the man most likely to be the next president of France up until this accusation? French politics is not really that clean either. Lookup "clearstream sarkozy" and look at how another party infight turned to corrupt means to taint Sarkozy's image before the last election, which backfired and ended up even boasting his popularity, eliminated the other presidential candidates.
The next presidential election in France is in May 2012 and the socialist party is just about to select their candidate. The timing of this scandal is just "too" convenient. If he is guilty most French people I know say "let him hang", but most also have serious doubts given the political context surrounding the case.
D:
PS: Though I live in Paris, I'm not French
Unfortunately a bad precedent has already been established with 9/11/01. The black boxes from the two aircraft which crashed into the Twin Towers includes the pilots cabin door activity (open and closing, etc.) and there is nothing to indicate any hijacking ever took place (i.e., only a brief, several second partial open and closing to allow passage of coffee to pilot). Therefore, it probably won't be admissable, given that it doesn't count for 9/11/01. (Truly, America is screwed!)
Yes, as head of the International Monetary Fund, lay the ground weeks in advance for your dastardly and elaborate plot to rape a otherwise unknown hotel chambermaid in New York.
May the Maths Be with you!
You have to know, that the other big thing going on in Europe right now, is how to deal with the issue of Greece's severe debts, problematic economy, and them asking again for money, shortly after they've already 'received' over 100 billion euro's. Not only that, but Portugal, Ireland and Spain are also in trouble.
This is causing a lot of political turmoil, with some even going as far as proposing that Greece be kicked out of the euro-zone, instead of spending more money on them. Now Strauss-Kahn was a leading proponent of giving Greece a second bailout, and he was due for a meeting on this very topic last Sunday with German chancellor Angela Merkel, but instead was pulled out of the plane that would take him to that meeting. No matter how DSK's case pans out, he's already gone from the IMF. Who knows what views on the Greece issue his successor will have? Or what the future of the euro-zone will look like? Will it include Greece defaulting on its debts, (forcedly) abandoning the euro and returning to the drachme, and if that happens and a precedent is set, Portugal, Ireland and/or Spain doing the same? Or if the weaker countries refuse to abandon the euro, maybe the stronger countries doing it instead (already 'threatened' by some politicians in The Netherlands and in Germany)...
And of course conspiracy theories have also been aired, that claim that DSK was framed, either because of this euro-crisis thing, or because he was also the next presidential candidate of the French socialist party and was much less 'America-friendly' than current president Sarkozy.
So all in all, I'd say it's as least as newsworthy as some of the other crap I've seen posted here :)
Being just before the French election in which he was about to run for President you wouldn't put it past someone with a vested interest helping make sure he doesn't win the election, which was a virtual certainty up until now.
It may be that this has become the default method of dealing with your opposition in the world of high corruption/politics, or it may be that he is actually guilty, however the timing of the matter and the recent mess with Assange will probably cause many people to believe that this was indeed a politically motivated setup.
Yes, and all criminals are logical like Spock. I still lean towards this guy being framed but, as you say, only time will tell
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what's to say this maid wasn't his call girl
Yes, they were playing an elaborate role playing game, spread over many years, culminating in his eventual arrest on sexual assault charges, humiliation and destruction because he's a masochist.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
And now we also know that YOU have assaulted women before, since apparently no burden of proof is needed when someone makes baseless charges of this nature.