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China Alleged To Use Prisoners In Lucrative Internet Gaming
SoyQueSoy pointed out an article that reveals it's not all fun, but forced games for some Chinese prisoners. It is alleged that after a day of hard labor some inmates are forced to work through the night as gold farmers. "Prison bosses made more money forcing inmates to play games than they do forcing people to do manual labor," [prisoner] Liu told the Guardian. "There were 300 prisoners forced to play games. We worked 12-hour shifts in the camp. I heard them say they could earn 5,000-6,000rmb [£470-570] a day. We didn't see any of the money. The computers were never turned off."
They were made to do it at night AFTER a day of hard labor.
Not if one part of your workday consists out of 12hr shifts,swinging a pickaxe at rocks... RTFA! The guardian has the story.
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I guess you missed the part about them being forced to gold mine all night after a long day of hard labor. Are people skipping the summary now too?
In a country where you can be jailed for bitching to the government, do you really think that the bosses of the prisons are at all independent of the power structure?
And the fact that exploitation of human desperation is common does not make it right, in or out of prison. China's brand of socialism is bullshit. It's plain fascism, where workers are cattle and the government gets all the value they add.
Please do enlighten me your great AC-ness.
Is going to know the master character's password, dig a tunnel through the sewage, and get the warden arrested!
I am in the wrong business! If this is exploitation, chain me to the PC!
On second thoughts though, that number is probably not a "per prisoner earning".
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/may2000/pris-m08.shtml
"There are presently 80,000 inmates in the US employed in commercial activity, some earning as little as 21 cents an hour."
"In addition, during the last 20 years more than 30 states have passed laws permitting the use of convict labor by commercial enterprises. These programs now exist in 36 states."
"Prisoners who refuse to work under these conditions are labeled “uncooperative” and risk losing time off for “good behavior,” as well as privileges such as library access and recreation."
Landmines are green. No inferior capitalist, bourgeois, GOLD landmines in worker paradise.
This sig is not paradoxical or ironic.
So that former prison guard is in jail for being a whistleblower, and now he is whistleblowing again. Tsk tsk.
lucm, indeed.
I suppose this is at least a step up from organ harvesting. If the prison bosses give kickbacks to the party, which seems likely, its not a huge leap in logic to think that the state may begin to arrest "undesirables" for the sole purpose of earning an income, unless of course the operating costs outweigh the income (IANAPB).
I guess you missed the part about them being forced to gold mine all night after a long day of hard labor. Are people skipping the summary now too?
No, just ignoring the parts that make no sense whatsoever.
If I have you as a slave, and you can make me $100/12hrs doing manual labor or $500/12hrs goldfarming... Do you seriously think I'd waste half your income-generating day having you fill potholes?
The "after" makes no sense when they could farm gold for both shifts and make their jailers 66% ($600 vs $1000) more per day.
They still have to answer to their superiors when China's projects are not being completed with slave labor.
Since they never tipped, the bartenders hated them. Whenever they saw the bus pull up, they'd place drinks at the slots to reserve the spots.
Anyway, wherever there is money you will find corruption. Rule of law (applied equably), transparency, and cultural values are all that mitigate this. The only reason this doesn't happen in American for-profit prisons is that the money isn't good enough, yet. But the dollar continue to drop. Your kids might gold-farm for the Chinese.
"He says he has a car in China..."
Admit it. You post strawman arguments as AC so you get modded Insightful for refuting them, rather than Troll
So basically, they're mining digital blood diamonds? I guess everything really is available online these days!
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You're assuming they have a 1:1 ratio of slaves (inmates) to computers. A 1:2 ratio or more would be optimised with half/labour half farming days. Also, there's nothing anyone outside China can do about the labour, but the forced farming should be stopped if possible.
Any minute now we'll get the BitCoin tie-in for this article.
Any minute now...
I'm waiting for it.
Just clicking away seems like a breeze compared to that.
Lets see what the article says...
"If I couldn't complete my work quota, they would punish me physically. They would make me stand with my hands raised in the air and after I returned to my dormitory they would beat me with plastic pipes. We kept playing until we could barely see things,"
Yea, sounds super easy.
I can think of worse things that prisoners could be forced to do. Heck, even stamping license plates or cleaning trash on the sides of highways seems like it would be more work than playing WoW. Isn't the whole problem for whoever wrote that article that the prison officials are making money off of it? That's always the case with prisons though... While I can see how this is weird, I don't see why anyone would be pissed off about it.
Any guest worker system is indistinguishable from indentured servitude.
It's plain fascism, where workers are cattle...
Well, you wouldn't have 'Everyday Low Prices' without it..
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How about hiring people on the side to fill potholes who weren't smart enough to get into Apple's Foxconn iPod factories? $500-$100=$400.
I'm not a lawyer, but I play one on the Internet. Blog
Unemployment is about 30% of what you made the past year.
For some, its $200. For others, more or less. But the point is, making 30% of what you used to make (and not always right away, there may be gaps where you get no money) is hard to live on if you earn say . . . the average american paycheck.
Source: being unemployed for 7 months, and only receiving unemployment for 6 months.
Since when does being a Socialist mean 'someone who has a different opinion than me'?
Amateurs, I do that before Breakfast...
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I wonder if we can get any petitions from these guys. "Help I'm being forced to pick herbs, If I don't get 5 frost lotus an hour I get the whip. Please help me, I need 30 more before I can sleep.. help"
Really? Where do you live? Just about every grown up I know is working hard, sometimes 2 or 3 jobs. People with graduate degrees are busing tables, college graduates are working retail, people who used to make easy money are taking what they can get.
What I have never understood is the appeal of buying gold with real money for a game. I mean, what's the point?
We have a mall with a lottery ticket booth. On occasion we get a whole crew of people (old, immigrants, hobo-looking) playing large volumes of scratch tickets. The mob boss (big fat guy in a cowboy hat) sits nearby, keeping an eye on his people.
It's a money laundering operation. It doesn't have to pay back 100 cents on the dollar. It just has to be competitive with other methods of converting 'dirty' cash into clean.
One thing that makes the entire operation pretty obvious: There's a food court, Starbucks and whatnot there. In any other setting, that would be a magnet for the local cops. But not here. If they've got business in the mall, they go in quickly, take care of it and get out. Fast. Evidently, there's an agreement for them to stay out.
Have gnu, will travel.
They were made to do it at night AFTER a day of hard labor.
Oh, come on. Making iPads isn't that hard.
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What makes you think the guards are sharing anything with the state? The guards could just be keeping the gold money for themselves,which would go a long way towards explaining why they are doing both hard labor AND gold farming, the labor is what is required by the state, the gold farming profits all go to the guards. If the state was really making more money off of farming they would probably have more people skip the labor and just do farming, esp. ones that were good at it.
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Why do you talk about ladyboys on every single post you make?
Because someone challenged him to.
Get out of the closet.
He seems very much "out" about what he likes -- and I see no reason why someone who likes "ladyboys" is also required to like any other men, so no, it's not the same thing as homosexual.
I can see the response now -- "If that's what you have to tell yourself..." Except I'm actually straight (and would not like a ladyboy), just a little bit more educated about these things. That, and why should anyone be ashamed of homosexuality, either? It's not a matter of trying to pretend he doesn't like people with penises (so long as they also have breasts and look like women), I'm just trying to clarify things a bit. For instance:
And it's not a "girlfriend".
It's your boyfriend.
There is a difference between gender and sex. While the two most often coincide, there's no particular reason that someone's gender identity has to match their physical body.
Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
Isn't that just food stamps? What about other programs?
Unemployment is about 30% of what you made the past year.
If you're talking about "welfare (which actually refers to many programs)", you can't just cite one of them.
China's brand of socialism is bullshit. It's plain fascism...
China is a de-facto capitalist country, I hate how people still call the country socialist/communist when they have less industry regulations than the US. Also, Communism has nothing to do with despotism. It's the polar opposite in fact, with the elimination of capital gain to remove the accumulation of power (which is why Karl Marx had en element that could accumulate power removed from each stage of governmental principal).
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Slavery, fuck yeah!
Oh, wait. They make 23 cents an hour. Guess those Chinese do have it tough.
The articles says 300 prisoners made $500+/day. That's enough for one (or maybe two) new computer(s) per day, so in half a year they'd have erased your 1:2 ratio and doubled their profit simply by being minimally non-stupid.
"Who is the Journal of Quantum Physics going to believe?" --Stephen Hawking
it's impossible to make communism work without despotism. the state dictates the entire economy
yes, in capitalist countries, wealth accumulation corrupts the government. but corruption exists in ALL types of government system, even communism
finally, simple corruption is a lot different than "we are in charge and tell you everything that happens in the economy, we dictate. and this status is directly prescribed in your government's constitution"
if you fight that, you are fighting the entire government. if you fight corruption, you are fighting something that is a poisonous infection, not an idea which is celebrated and embraced and supposedly a good thing (and worse than simple corruption)
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
In other news, Ai Weiwei was named as WoW's greatest gold farmer for the past two months.
holy shit. had i known screwing around in WoW could net £470-570 a day (usd $765-927) i would have quit my job a loooooong time ago.
1 take away though: it's not the Chinese government that has a policy that stated: all prisoners must do physical labor during day and gold farm at night. I'm sorry, but the summary made it seem that way. Horrible title if you ask me.
That's like saying if an American prison guard raped a prisoner, the title would be "USA Raped a Prisoner". Misleading.. right?
Sounds like typical raid leader behaviour to me...
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I sometimes wonder why US companies outsource labour to china, when some jobs in the US have minimum wages as low as $4/hour. Most sane countries are at least triple that so people can you know.. eat and live.
This prison boss is just a greedy bastard using his position for profit. This story is not unique to China.
Agreed.
Socialism, in the more pragmatic forms, such as it's practiced in the scandinavian countries for example, can work quite well, but communism, the utopia, is bullshit. Having a single answer to all questions is bullshit regardless of what that answer is, actually. (there's some people who claim "the market" is the answer to ALL questions, and that's -ALSO- bullshit)
Reality is complex. We need more than one answer. A *balance* is the trick.
"It's plain fascism, where workers are cattle and the government gets all the value they add."
So... welcome to capitalism, China?
I think you meant to say $200 a week
FTA:
It is known as "gold farming", the practice of building up credits and online value through the monotonous repetition of basic tasks in online games such as World of Warcraft. The trade in virtual assets is very real, and outside the control of the games' makers.
Why not simply make credits non-transferable within the game?
I see no reason why the two have to match. As for your analogy, it makes no sense. You say race and species, and then say 'antlion'... But regardless it doesn't work, because both race and species are physical things. A more sensible analogy would be between a mental identity and a physical identity. For example, a Christian Dwarf.
-- Let us endeavor so to live that when we pass even the undertaker shall be sorry. -- M. Twain
They can answer with hard cash, half-assed finished work, cute prostitutes or a combination of the three. It's China.
I'm guessing that NOBODY makes 5000 RMB a day gold mining. That's almost $1000 US! Or 1 month's salary for a skilled professional, or a semi-skilled worker in a dangerous job.
5000 a day may have been for a large team. 60 prisoners making 85 a day? And the boss gets 5000. It could have been a lucky day when some guy found a +100 sword of ass-kicking. No idea, really.
But if you could make 5000 a day gold farming, I'd do it, and I hate those soul-sucking games. Cruel and unusual punishment, indeed.
Well, that's been eliminated in the US. And been replaced with a much friendlier justice systems, that fails to discourage criminals. It's actually quite safe to walk down the streets at night in China.
I'm just sayin'.
Though it's not quite that bad, and certain degrees are worse than others.
However the GP's main problem, I all but guarantee, is due to he doesn't see what "people do these days" as work. I've heard the same thing over and over again from luddites, who want to force us back to an agrarian society. It's fucking insane.
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The notion of gender and gender roles is a societal construct, and purely in the mind. The notion of sex is a physical, observable state. I see no reason why the two have to match
To prove this point, John Money, a psychologist, once had a sex change operation performed on a boy whose penis was accidentally destroyed in a failed circumcision. The boy never considered himself to be female, started to actually live as a boy again at the age of 15, later suffered from depression and finally commited suicide at the age of 34. His name was David Reimer.
It seems that "gender identity" is not influenced primarily by society, but rather is a result of the differences between the brains of men and women which are caused by hormons and/or genetics. Therefore gender is a physical state, too.
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Perhaps any system of political economy can work well in the heterogeneous, political stable, small countries of northern Europe.
But pointing at it as an example of a 'success story' for said system of political economy might be putting the cart before the horse.
You must be living in a different universe to the rest of us, because in this one there's a massive - and massively profitable - slave labour industry in US prisons.
...but I don't see the problem?
They're PRISONERS. You guys do understand what that means, right?
OK, granted, I may have an issue with what China defines as prison-worthy (ie. speaking out about the government) but setting that aside, what's the problem with PRISONERS being made to perform useful tasks?
Prison costs money, and if you can make the prisoners work to recoup that cost, all the better.
In China, I'd imagine it's a damn sight better than the alternative - compulsory organ donor, or somesuch.
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no, eivind is correct
free market fundamentalism and communism are two opposite extremes on a continuum. the most ideal government is capitalism with social safety nets, or socialism with a capitalist engine, take your pick. size of country has nothing to do with it
moderation, in all things
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
it's impossible to make communism work without despotism. the state dictates the entire economy
Then what is Anarcho-Communism supposed to be? Anarchist are certainly not the kind of people who would install a government, let alone a despotic one. To quote Peter Kropotkin:
"Anarchist Communism maintains that most valuable of all conquests -- individual liberty -- and moreover extends it and gives it a solid basis -- economic liberty -- without which political liberty is delusive; it does not ask the individual who has rejected god, the universal tyrant, god the king, and god the parliament, to give unto himself a god more terrible than any of the proceeding -- god the Community, or to abdicate upon its altar his [or her] independence, his [or her] will, his [or her] tastes, and to renew the vow of asceticism which he formally made before the crucified god. It says to him, on the contrary, 'No society is free so long as the individual is not so! . . .'"
I'm all for getting prisoners to work, however they shouldn't be exploited (by this I mean working ungodly hours, not being paid for it is fine).
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I don't consider busing tables or working retail to be "working hard". Where are the people going into the jobs that Mike Rowe shows around on Dirty Jobs? There is a vast need for welders, miners, industrial painters, etc that immigrants are filling because Americans want to work in a cube, a restaurant, or a store. Hard work don't have air conditioning.
Yes it's an anecdote! Were you expecting original research in a Slashdot comment?
an idea a philosophy major with no real world experience with human nature dreams up is not a valid basis for society
not that that fact will stop you. nothing ever stops the regular low drumbeat of utopianists and their half-baked ideas from appearing and flaming out over the centuries. but have fun wasting years of your life and years of the lives of the well-meaning but gullible fools that listen to you for some reason
enthusiastic dreaming and good intentions are no replacement for a solid understanding of the inescapable bad qualities of human nature. you have to learn to work with those bad qualities, because you can't avoid them, they are part of all of us. don't try to imagine a society that somehow exists in spite of those bad qualities, it can't
any idea of organizing society that depends upon people just behaving in a way that people never have behaved is a loser, son
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopia
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
My guess is they have more prisoners than computers, which is why they work in shifts. No need to hire extra people to fill potholes when you have abundant slave labor.
Yeah, it's a little *meow* odd to find the word ladyboy inserted into all 6 of the posts in your profile. Is this some kind of inside joke?
Misleading, but to continue the analogy the source for reporting the prison guard rape would have been another guard who was arrested and sent to prison for reporting the crime. That's not a heck of a lot better.
Are you implying that Capitalist Republics have developed of method to deal with the bad qualities of humans?
not at all. no government system is perfect. however, trading the best we have working so far for a system clearly much worse is rather dumb, no?
i'm glad you have identified the problems with capitalism. most everyone has. now, would you mind entertaining your boundless imagination with some of the potential problems with the utopian vision of the stoned philosophy major?
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
My guess is they have more prisoners than computers
In China you can buy a basic PC for 1-2000 RMB. A used one for a few hundred. If the figures are correct that would be paid off in an hour's work. They'd have as many PCs as they could find room for.
I doubt the veracity of these figures. I think the income is exaggerated by at least a factor of 10.
Actually we probably would. But wal-mart founders would only be multi-millionnaires instead of bilionnaires.
They still have to answer to Apple when China's projects are not being completed with slave labor.
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Thank you, Edward Snowden.
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A naive pipe dream.
Just wondering... does "wang ba" mean "internet bar" in Chinese? Here in Taiwan they're called "wang ka (dian)" for "internet coffee (shop)".
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They want enough payouts to draw customers but not enough that it risks the casinos profit.
You do know that BACK IN THE DAY most casinos operated as a Family business and taking customers "for a walk in the desert" was actually done and God Help You if you 1 cheated 2 were staff and got caught dipping into the till
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I don't consider busing tables or working retail to be "working hard". Where are the people going into the jobs that Mike Rowe shows around on Dirty Jobs? There is a vast need for welders, miners, industrial painters, etc that immigrants are filling because Americans want to work in a cube, a restaurant, or a store. Hard work don't have air conditioning.
When I were a lad I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down t'mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah.
And you try and tell the young people of today that ..... they won't believe you.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Governments in the United States rarely take prisoner rape seriously, which encourages guards to engage in bestial behavior.
Well, most native American societies were anarcho-communist, as most indigenous societies are, as well as various small post-industrial communities, like Kibbutzes. Isolated small populations tend to have decreasing tolerance for property rights; its really just a function of how many people you know and how many people you don't know get to borrow your stuff, and how many people you know are starving because Grabby McRichguy won't sell his grain.
Don't blame me, I voted for Baltar.
That's going too far. We need to get back to exploiting children.
you're talking about agrarianism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agrarianism
agrarianism will always assert itself in some small amounts in the shadow of larger societies where people feel more affinity for a mostly self-sufficient local group than a larger society or nation. but it tells us nothing about how to run a large modern country like the usa or germany
anarcho-communism meanwhile is the preferred terminology for agrarianism by people who are urban or suburban, know more about alternative music than about growing their own food, and need a new "cool" word to describe their idealistic utopianism that will never work... unless you actually do go out in the woods and start growing your own food
so go, to the woods, good luck, please, and start your anarcho-communist collective. so i don't have to hear about this useless mental diarrhea again
you will of course lump me with the Grabby McRichguys of the world because i don't embrace your cottonheaded idealism. no, i have no love for your favorite boogeyman nor do i think capitalism is a wonderful thing. i do know, however, that capitalism works with less suffering and injustice than your loopy theories about how society can or should work
because i dislike capitalism does not mean i am eager to embrace even worse ideologies that you for some bad reason are a proponent for
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
How does that prove anything, other then that John Money is a psychopath? I guess I should specify, gender may be a 'physical state', in the sense that the brain is a physical object. I meant that gender is not observable (currently anyways). So while you can observe someone's sex, you cannot observe their gender, as it is whatever they think it is.
-- Let us endeavor so to live that when we pass even the undertaker shall be sorry. -- M. Twain
Slavery is about as evil as evil gets, even when it's a prisoner.
The Chinese Government is ultimately to blame for not stopping it: "a former prison guard who was jailed for three years in 2004 for "illegally petitioning" the central government about corruption in his hometown,"
(If at first you don't succeed, do it different next time!)
A naive pipe dream.
Just like flying, or putting a man on the moon, right?
You're talking about semantics. Marx's position was that small pre-industrial societies were communistic, based on their attitude toward force as it protects property rights, following from Proudhon. Besides, you can't describe a hunter-gatherer society like the Lakota Souix as "agrarian": they didn't farm.
It might tell us a lot about how to calibrate our delegation of authority and how strongly to weight localism, given a certain level of technological development. OTOH, if you see people starving a thousand miles away on the TV, this is naturally going to prey on people's innate sense of equity.
You have to make more positive arguments and not just throw something in the dustbin because is starts with "commu-". People like Marx, Luxembourg, DeLeon, and Gramsci had a lot to say about the world and you can't just dismiss all of 19th century philosophy by kicking a rock, Berkeley-like.
I never said you were, don't be so defensive. Everybody embraces a "cottonheaded idealism," our worth is measured by how we bring it into the world; the real archfiends of history are the ones who work cheap cynicism and phony skepticism to tear down other people's cottonheaded idealism, out of vanity and envy for something to believe in.
Don't blame me, I voted for Baltar.
an idea a philosophy major with no real world experience with human nature dreams up is not a valid basis for society
You might want to read up on the 2nd Spanish Republic. Yes they failed because they had to defend themselves against Francos Fascists and the Stalinists/Marxists. Spartacus also failed, but this doesn't mean his struggle for freedom was wrong.
Note that the Guardian story is in the past tense -- Liu Dali was jailed for three years in 2004 -- today most WoW gold farming is done by bots. Perhaps there is a more current story of worldwide bot coders.
i embrace the struggle for freedom
but how the fuck "anarcho-communism" has anything to do with freedom is completely beyond my comprehension
oh, i have no doubt you can explain it to me. there's proponents for all sorts of half-baked ideas in this world
logical coherence is not a prerequisite for enthusiasm
(snicker)
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
no, the problem is the cottonheaded idealism. did you happen to notice the experiments in communism in the last century? how much suffering that created? but you're going to trust anything communistic with some sort of hope, still? really? are you that fucking daft?
people can write a million erudite compelling passionate books about social and political organization. who the fuck gives a shit if it doesn't work in the real world. guess what: communism doesn't work in the real world, i don't care what rare subspecies you can point to as untried: it's castles in the sky built on a failed set of assumptions of human nature. it doesn't matter how many endless variations you spin off, if the essential assumptions are rotten, the whole edifice is without validity or reason, and is doomed to collapse
face it, communism is for the dustbin of history, it is no more. the entirety of the edifice of communism, and all of its subspecies, is without interest to anyone serious
i think your problem is is that what you call cynicism is actually realism. but to admit some ugly truths about this world and human nature is so depressing or painful to you, you write off some ugly but essential truths about humanity as cynicism. this allows you to instead embrace and describe as "reality" some feel-good hopes about human nature that aren't actually dominant in human societies, and never were, and never will be
you need to accept some really ugly things about humanity which are immovable, unfortunately. then you can start to say something intelligent about political and social organization. right now, you are a cottonheaded dreamer, keeping a flame for a passion alive, a passion which the world as a whole has moved past and is not returning to
"People like Marx, Luxembourg, DeLeon, and Gramsci had a lot to say about the world and you can't just dismiss all of 19th century philosophy by kicking a rock"
i am utterly dismissing it. failed experiments of history. it's 2011. stop living in the 20th century. communism and all its flavors are over and most certainly very dead and not returning. i don't care how many skulls with a little bit of dust inside you still point to as great thinkers
it's over
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
My guess is they have more prisoners than computers,
It's not the USA
The new right fascists are bilingual. They speak English and Bullshit.
but how the fuck "anarcho-communism" has anything to do with freedom is completely beyond my comprehension. oh, i have no doubt you can explain it to me.
Depends on how you define as "freedom". Besides I'd rather like to hear your argument why "anarcho-communism" has nothing to do with freedom before I'd consider explaining something. Especially, I'd like to know what you don't like about the notion No society is free so long as the individual is not so!
there's proponents for all sorts of half-baked ideas in this world
I never claimed that "anarcho-communism" is the ultimate answer to the problems we face with society, I only claimed that is proves that a communism without despotism is possible.
I've seen what the "real existing socialism" was all about since I was born in East Germany (no, it wasn't communist) and I now can experience capitalism. What I learnt from this is that both ways are not the answer. Finding a new model for society requires to look at half-backed ideas because the models that were thoroughly tried so far always resulted in societies were people are suffering.