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LulzSec Offers to Take Revenge On Sega Hackers
An anonymous reader writes "Sega Corp joins the ranks of video game companies to be hacked in recent time with one small twist, it seems LulzSec was not behind this one. They reached to Sega's official twitter account and offered to destroy the hackers that attacked them. From the article: 'In its offer to assist Sega, the Tweet from Lulz hinted that its leaders might count themselves among a small but highly loyal group of gamers who still play on the aging Dreamcast console. "Sega - contact us," Lulz said in its Tweet to the video game developer. "We want to help you destroy the hackers that attacked you. We love the Dreamcast, these people are going down."'"
Am I the only person who thinks that LulzSec is way out of line? It appalls me how much press coverage they get, and for what, exactly? Giving a lot of hard-working people a hell of a lot more grief than they deserve? LulzSec is not Anonymous, who at least pretends to have a purpose, and they shouldn't be treated as such. They are doing it purely for the "Lulz" and don't deserve any more recognition than they already gain from their twitter feed.
They will be caught eventually, and when they are, I sincerely hope something terrible happens to them.
Is starting to get a wee bit out of control, if it hasn't already.
So they attacked Bethesda, EVE, League of Legends, Minecraft, and Nintendo, but when someone attacks Sega they're all up in arms? I'm not buying it.
I think they're just trolling the media to keep their name in the headlines. And they succeeded (really, Reuters? don't you have wars you could be reporting on?).
They're not good guys. They're just making messes and making things harder on people than they need to be.
As long as you keep making them seem like a big deal, they'll keep messing with more and more sites until nearly everyone comes to regret "making a monster".
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The Dreamcast was (IS!!) a pretty fucking awesome system. Though the Sega of today isn't nearly as awesome as the Sega of yesteryear.
these guys sound like a bunch of emo script kiddies
stop playing with your pecker and dreamcast and go meet some girls
But what girls would like to meet a bunch of emo script kiddies?
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
I still have my Gamegear, apart from the damaged charger, it's fine... SEGA .
Dont they have a kinda bigger problem right now? http://lulzsecexposed.blogspot.com/
There's no patch for stupidity
20 years down the road, if the members of LulzSec were to have their bank/credit card/mortgage/investment accounts compromised, would they still find it lulzy?
she could have told Tony who did it to her.... but the writer of the show wanted to display that there was a single character in there that had some semblance of principle, so she did not tell him.
This is pretty off-topic, but in reference to your statement:
I can't help but wonder the same thing. But not really related to the latest lulzseclulz in any way - I mean war reporting in general.
I'm sure most of the people here who were semi-world conscious at the time can remember Christiane Amanpour reporting from Iraq and Bosnia, but also many other war reporters in those conflicts and many before them, often risking their own lives to bring reports from the battlefield, human interest stories from both sides, etc.
But now, I keep hearing every talking head in news reports saying that 'allegedly' this-and-that happened - while a video off of youtube or something plays in the background - but that these are unconfirmed reports because they have no journalists in those countries because journalists aren't allowed into them(!)
Have the news agencies lost their proverbial backbone, or have they just gotten lazy and think the youtube videos from either side in these conflicts are 'good enough'?
if they charge LulzSec with 50 counts of violating various laws, then those will become precedent.
it often happens in legal history that when an unpopular defendant (like a terrorist) is put on trial, some of their rights are 'bent' or 'violated', but that precedent is then used subsequently against ordinary people.
we can see this in the Thomas Drake NSA Whistleblower case. Some of the precedents used against him by the government were set in terrorism cases like the Moussaoui case... especially precedents regarding secret evidence.
We love the Dreamcast, these people are going down
LOL doesn't anyone else have a sarcasm detector?
If Anonymous expressed their deep manly-love of the TRS-80 Model 3 (a fine machine for its time, BTW) THEN would people get it and LOL?
"Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
I've really started to believe that LulzSec is a PsyOp aimed at insuring that the public supports more intrusive "cyber-laws."
(There is supposed to be a Sarcmark® here, but my $1.99 check hasn't cleared, yet...)
im uhh. . shit i think i just dug myself a 5 foot hole
if you look at the history of the CIA and NSA, uhm, this is not far-fetched.
Obama now has 6 non-spy espionage act charges under his belt.
3 of those (Manning, Drake, Wikileaks) also involve the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. Why?
Because 1030(a)(1) of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act is called 'Computer Espionage', and (a)(2) is 'exceeding authorized access' and 'obtaining information'. These are basically the same thing as the Espionage Act, but with broader language to cover more information, and more people.
The Computer Fraud and Abuse Act is like a 'backdoor way' to expand the Espionage Act.
lulzsec, if it led to modifications of CFAA, well, i mean... think about it. it would be a great way to clamp down on free speech and criticism of government policy. Think about Thomas Drake's case - imagine an expanded CFAA and then imagine they had charged him with it, instead of charging him with the plain old Espionage Act. They might have been able to convict him ---- for whistleblowing on massive waste, and then giving UNCLASSIFIED information to a reporter. talk about chilling.
The CIA is directly participating in two of these non-spy Espionage Act prosecutions - the one against Kim and the one against Sterling.
now, i dont like conspiracy theories. they lack evidence and they lack proper respect for skepticism.
however. i think your train of thought cannot be ruled 'ridiculous' flat out.
is actually on the CFAA (a)(2), so basically the clampdown has already started.
So uhm, Slashdot, when is LulzSec getting it's own icon? Seems to be the top favorite for news these days.
"True refinement seeks simplicity."
Derp.
Because that's the only word that sums all this up.
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BMO
If LulzSec went after the culprit on their own, then it's only their necks in the noose if they get caught (revenge or no, they're still committing a crime). But if Sega contacts them, then Sega becomes complicit, and their lawyers will probably have a thing or two to say about that.
The outcome of their actions is something positive: the exposed will have to reinforce their security, which is really good. I couldn't say the same about "Anonymous"; I strongly dislike (and, yes, "fear") lynching mobs, real or virtual. Today they happen to wipe out of existence something or someone you don't like. Is that just(ice)? what if tomorrow they decide they don't like someone or something you like? or even YOU?
Oh, and LulzSec are not teenagers. Keep this in mind for later.
I find it tiresome how people think that if you criticize one person, you must love its opponent. Or how somehow attacking one opponent somehow exonerates the other one. If that's your only defense (not talking necessarily about you, although I do find the Republicans that can be seen from abroad disgusting), them being only good because the other guys did worse, you should rethink why you supported them on the first place.
I seriously doubt they will hire groups like this, but I do think they will hire cyber assassins. Follow this thinking. Here you are a multi-million dollar company and you will lose millions from their attacks. Feature like Sony, being attacked for a straight month. Governments appear too slow or retarded to be of assistance.
So enter the cyber assassin, a lone wolf who can hunt them down, probably infiltrate their ranks, counter hack them, find them and assassinate them. Frankly I am shocked it hasn't happened already, a viral video of one of them being snuffed, or something to that effect to send a major chilling effect to the hacker community. They would probably assassinate plenty of script kiddies, just to set the proper example.
I would look for these types to come from Russia, they certainly have the skills to do the tracking, and as far as ruthless, I think they have that covered. They are a hungry lot there in Russia, organized crime is serious business there. I think they have all the ingredients to cook something like this up. But that is just speculation on where they might start from on my behalf.
Factor this, with as ineffective as the world's governments seem to be at dealing with this, how long will it take for these hacker groups to fuck with the wrong people? They don't fuck around with little targets either, it seems the people they fuck with have deep enough pockets to easily finance a project like that. It doesn't help with their "hahaha fuck you" attitude either. Imagine being burned by them and it cost you millions, and there they are, out there mocking you? Welcome to becoming someone life hobby to find you and kill you, you silly hackers.
I am just saying this needs nipped in the bud before it escalates into something horrifying. There world seems to be full of dumb kids that have no idea about consequences for one's actions. These people need protected from their own stupidity. A trip to Gitmo is infinitely more preferable than the Russian mob skinning and salting you in a snuff film for some pissed off CEO's listening and dancing pleasure.
Stack crap like that on top of the entertainment business's interests, rioters who use social networks to organize, wikileaks, flash robbers, etc, etc, and world governments are going clamp the fuck down hard on the Internet as we know it. Hackers will beat their security measures of course, then it will really escalate. Kiss any online privacy goodbye then. Welcome to high tech intrusive measures to monitor us even more.
In the mean time, I wouldn't want to be these hackers. It may sound cool, and get good press, but there is the devil to pay in the end.
Take the Red Pill.
Well, they'll recognize the donut, that's for sure. And they'll probably remember seeing their parents with the mop last time they went upstairs. So I'm gonna go with yes.
But what girls would like to meet a bunch of emo script kiddies?
"Nunchaku skills... bowhunting skills... computer hacking skills... Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills!"
I think that's a good thing.
Many people think that LulzSec is has been infiltrated by the government to further a political agenda. Even if they haven't been, they are playing right into the hands of those who wish to eradicate anonymity from the Internet, and impose harsh censorship.
Just after I watched an online video wherein Hillary Clinton and others discussed the importance of forming America's Cyber Security Plan with International cooperation in mind I talked to my friends about this; Most all of them said, "What? Why do we need an Internet Police, this is just more big government getting into things they don't understand. Sure, make some rules for government systems, set some guidelines for security, and make sure to audit security practices of banks, but stay out of the Internet as a whole."
After LulzSec began attacking servers of some of my friends Minecraft and League of Legends games along with other game companies, and releasing thousands of email addresses for porn surfers my friend's attitudes have mostly changed.
Now when asked if we should have harsher punishments for "hacking" (read: cracking), government mandated security practices, or if penetration tools should be made illegal and require a license to own my friends have changed their mind. When asked they say, "I think this is a good thing."
Step back a moment and look at the big picture. Anonymous cracks a few servers and mostly does a weak DDoS (read: not even a RDDoS) against websites perceived to be pro censorship (DDoS doesn't have the same effect as releasing thousands of passwords, etc). If you are a pro censorship government body, you may rally your forces and point at the weakness of the systems and say to others in places of power: "You could be Next!" to get them on board with your Cyber Security plans.
However, we're forgetting the common man. How do we get them on board with this Cyber Security agenda? And then LulzSec is formed Possibly with the help of Anonymous members that were turned by the FBI or NSA? Who knows. I just find it a little too convenient that "doing it for the lulz" equates to placing the "dangers of hackers" in the face of the common man.
A good thing? I think not.
Agreed! A plague on both parties! This is the problem with US politics, the two party shuffle. Too bad the sheeple will never figure out that they are being divided and conquered. The powers behind both parties just keep picking two sides of different issues to get people fighting over so they never notice their wealth and their future are going down the drain. The same people who denounce President Obama now will, if he gets replaced with a republican, praise that one as he continues the job of ripping off the country.
I love it when people respond like this. Apparently them being good at something, that you're not, means they have no life? Everyone has their own talents and just because something would be time consuming for you doesn't mean it is for everyone.
I wish I knew why so many people behave this way when it comes to politics. It's really sad how people don't vote for the candidate they want in office as much as they vote against the candidate they don't.
I had hopes for a real 3rd party in my lifetime (and no, I don't count the Tea Party as a 3rd party, because that'd be like calling blue dog Dems a 3rd Party) but the big money interests won't let that happen. It's too convenient to their interests to keep us fighting over the crumbs. Now I honestly believe only open revolution will change our government.
Orwell had it fucking right. We've always been at war with Eurasia. Or was it Eastasia? Better pour myself another glass of Victory Gin and pop on the telescreen, it's about time for the Two Minute Hate, and all this thinking makes my head hurt...
Well, SEGA became a nonissue player before they had enough power, and the technology advances, to be Evil. Sony and Co, on the other hand, Are greedy, monopolistic monstrosities that feel they are above the law. Don't think so? When did I give them permission to install a root kit on my computer? -- Well, SEGA never did anything like that. They sold games, and consoles. period.
"Computers are a lot like Air Conditioners" "They both work great until you start opening Windows"
Where the fuck is West Richland?
Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
jesus man, where do you get all that stuff?
Dreamcast was the XBox 1. It ran a version of Windows CE.
How come these LulzSec guys keep on indirectly benefiting Microsoft? They've targeted both Sony and Nintendo (of course, they took it easy on N b/c they "Liked the N64").
I feel old, like my chief complaint against these kids is "get off my lawn," but I don't get where this generation of kids get their motivation. They seem to really care about video game companies, more than most hackers of my generation.
And like most Slashdotters, I belong to a generation where Microsoft was the big evil company (and some of you particularly old geezers may remember a time when IBM was the big threat to the tech world). I still believe that Microsoft is the biggest threat to what technology could and should be. They have a corporate vision of a technological future that clashes with the ideologies of the FOSS movement. That's why the 'evil' label was applied to them -- it's flat out evil to try to get every world government and corporation dependent on your products because that's seeking a position of power greater than any government. But I don't see anything Sony has done as evil. Shady, yes, but Sony doesn't have the means let alone the vision to have the type of negative impact Microsoft has on the world of technology.
Which brings us back to this new generation of hacker kids: Is their worldview limited to the world of video games? Furthermore, people of my generation who hated Microsoft did productive things to fight them such as write FOSS programs to directly compete with commercial MS products. Or sometimes more minor things: convince their boss to use something else ('gee, boss, no one ever got fired for buying IBM'), ensure that websites they design commercially work on all browsers on all platforms (there was a time when a lazy web designer could get away with only worrying about IE/Windows), and of course be vocal about FOSS or at least vocally support MS competitors. We wanted to slay the beast, but we weren't willing to go black-hat to do it (well, I'm sure there were some, but it certainly wasn't a phenomenon like it is now).
But Microsoft seems to be completely off of these Lulz kids radar. While I don't think it's some MS-conspiracy, I do think there's an easy explanation: These kids have XBox360s and Windows PCs and they're too young to remember the MS DoJ case let alone any of the early Gates antics. They liked the Dreamcast, that makes sense, they were probably in elementary school that year (and hell, you could pirate games easy as pie).
So basically, get the fuck off my lawn. If you want to take up a cause, at least take up one that is worth fighting for. Sony shoots themselves in the foot often enough that they don't need anyone doing it for them. But that's the whole story with these kids: they don't go after Blackwater, they go after the CIA. They don't go after Fox News or MSNBC (both equally corrupt on opposite sides of the spectrum), they go after PBS, one of the only respectable news sources left. What a bunch of fucking geniuses.
(And just in case someone wants to argue that these kids are good for security: If I broke into every house in my neighborhood, security would likely increase, but freedoms will decrease. Who will be LOLing when anonymity is gone from the internet because of a group called "Anonymous" and a group called "LulzSec"? All these bastards are doing is giving legislatures an excuse to limit internet freedom.)
"From the depths of my skeptical and rationalist soul, I ask the Lord to protect me from California touchie-feeliedom."
The two-party system is a symptom, not a cause. See this encyclopedia article on Duverger's Law for a better argument than I can provide. The presence of this symptom does not imply that people are sheeple, as it is something of a prisoner's dilemma.
in the modern economy. Take the United States: Population growth since 1990 has been about 20%, but the size of the economy has doubled. Meanwhile wages are stagnant. The wealth has gone somewhere; specifically to the top 5%. It then becomes the job of society to figure out how to pry that wealth from the hands of that lucky 5% (or, alternatively, society degenerates into a handful of very wealthy and a mass of very, very poor; e.g. a rising tide sinks all but the biggest boats).
I suppose broken windows is one way to force the uber rich to part with some of their horde.
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sheeple is a fucking hateful word.
it implies that you believe you're the only thinking Man among the flock of brainless sheep.
which begs the question: why aren't you the fucking shepherd? what's keeping you in your proverbial Mum's basement?
it must be pretty cool to be you.
Umm... the Dreamcast most of the time used a propietary system called "Katana", I think that was a linux fork, because the Sega guys though that WinCE sucks. Also for the Dreamcast was created a free "OS" called KallistiOS that is used even today... well, only for Dreamcast Homebrew fans. The newest game in development for the DC its called Sturmwind,, check the entry on wikipedia. If you ever played Resident Evil: Code Veronica on the Dreamcast and on PS2 you notice that it looks better on the DC and on the PS2 there is a longer "loading" time every time you open a door. And when Sega told Micro$oft that design a OS for the DC, M$ take note of the console and then they decide to make the XBOX. You must compare the controls of the first XBOX and the DC, they are very similar Anyway the point is that right now, in the spirit of hacking, they think that the Dreamcast was a good console because was well designed and you can use it to create Homebrew games or emulators. I don't consider myself a hacker, only a Dreamcast fan, and I think that I can understand at least they feelings for that magnificent console.
Didn't these guys say they did a DOS on a major government site just a week ago?
I hope they get the book thrown at them. I have been reading about them at ars technica for the past 2 weeks and not a day goes through where they brag about doing damage, espionage, or how they are l33ter than everyone else.
I am sick of them. They are criminals and if they are retarded enough to do these things then you can bet the FBI is already on their asses with probably the white house itself tracking their every move.
What worries me is not them but others who are going to gather and do these things. No it is not the case of them being the good guys and showing private companies which systems are insecure if they cost hundredes of millions of dollars and lost face, for companies like Sony. I have no respect for them.
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he could be basing this opinion on their actions not their skills.
i spent five minutes thinking and all i got was this crappy sig
Most hackers work in information security. If they were former hackers or current, blackhat or whitehat, there isn't a lot of difference besides that one group gets paid over the table and follows the law while the other gets paid by the black market or not at all and does not follow laws.
Like Yin and Yang they both co-exist to the benefit of each other.
If you don't like Lulz security hire some hackers to stop them. Actually spend the money to secure your data and your network. Most of these hackers weren't from zero-day exploits that no one knew about, but even if they were they shouldnt have been this effective.
Nah, it just means he's realized it's fucking hopeless, and one might as well treat the sheep the way they want to be treated...to be led, to be shorn and ultimately to be slaughtered*
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People replying to my sig annoy me. That's why I change it all the time.
They're posting on the Internet that they're throwing down their geeky gauntlets and engaging other geeks in a geeky duel-to-the-death to defend the honor of a ten year old gaming system.
use of "sheeple" fail
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Now I honestly believe only open revolution will change our government.
And replace it with what? An anarcho-syndicalist collective? A Leninist interim workers' parliament? Oh no, you probably want a return to the good old Founding Fathers' times, slave-owning, god-bothering, bigotry, economic injustice and all.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
If you're in it for the lulz, can you think of anything more hilarious than attacking the big guys, and arbitrarily choosing one of the smaller players to defend?
That's funny to me. And yes, they are trolling. They might have been the attackers behind Sega, making it all the more hilarious. It's not supposed to make sense. Making sense of it screws up the whole plan.
(Argue about Sega being smaller all you want - they used to make hardware, now they don't)
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Sorry..
how is babby formed?
The two minute hate has been replaced by talk radio. And I'm pretty sure it's a three hour broadcast now.