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Evidence Points To Huge Underground River Beneath Amazon
chill writes "Researchers at the department of geophysics of the Brazil National Observatory have showed evidence of the existence of an underground river that flows 13,000 feet beneath the Amazon. The newly-named Hamza is said to be 3,700 miles long, flowing 13,000 feet below the Amazon. Both rivers flow from west to east, but the Hamza flows at only a fraction of the speed of Amazon."
Geesh.... the term "underground river" evokes an image of a continuous flow of only water perhaps going through a long cave or something... not water travelling through rock, also known as an "Aquifer"
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As a scientist you're not supposed to name things after yourself or have your students name them after you.
"The underground river is now named after Valiya Hamza, the scientist of Indian origin,who has been studying the Amazon region for more than 40 years. The discovery is part of the work of doctoral student Elizabeth Tavares Pimentel, under the guidance of Hamza."
Another word for this river is, of course, a "water table".
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They named it for the Brazilian scientist who led the discovery team, Valiya Hamza. What more indigenous do you want?
Here is a better article: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/234077-Underground-River-Rio-Hamza-Discovered-4km-Beneath-the-Amazon
Flowing at a rate of 1mm/hour, this is more like a gigantic seepage of ground water. I suppose calling it a "river" gets them into the newspapers...
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Is the water tessellated?
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It's just like the Grand Canyon is the European name for it, while its proper name, given by Native Americans, is Weemoteeuktuk.
Cultural insensitivity aside, I think Grand Canyon is easier to remember.
The width is said to be 3700 miles long? Cool, how wide is the length said to be??
So, Moleman River?
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This must explain how they can ship so much merchandise so efficiently!
I tap the underground river for U and take 1 damage.
The natives of America just didn't understand .the American sense of humor.
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Compete with Amazon.com! "Prices? We're miles below them!" Oops - too late - someone else already took it (back in 1999).
It's under a few miles of rock. Here, let me fix that for you.
"Hamza? They couldn't come up with something more igneous?"
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It's just like the Grand Canyon is the European name for it, while its proper name, given by Native Americans, is Weemoteeuktuk.
A name is an identifier. There's nothing inherently more legitimate or "proper" about a name just because it's the first name used for something. Variables can take on a new name in a new scope. A new group of people can use a different name. It may be that communication between the groups will suffer for it--sometimes intentionally (consider politicians using different phrases to mean the same thing, such as "tax subsidy," "loophole," and "job-creating tax break"). It may also be that under a particular legal regime, the first person to encounter or capture something has a right to it (there are old common-law cases about fox hunts, for example). But objectively, there is nothing improper about coming across a giant hole in the ground and calling it "giant hole in the ground," even if someone else already calls it--for example--France.
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So all the different Indian tribes found along the Grand Canyon, with all their different languages, used the one true proper name?
It's just like the Grand Canyon is the European name for it, while its proper name, given by Native Americans, is Weemoteeuktuk.
Cultural insensitivity aside, I think Grand Canyon is easier to remember.
Not to the Hopi inhabitant of the region. And by the way, 'Weemoteeuktuk' is bullshit. The real name is Ongtupqa.
at which "drinking water safe" fraking is done?
Really???
Reminds me of Jules Verne's "A Journey to the Center of the Earth".
France is more convex than concave so more like a pile than a hole.
Native Americans don't call themselves 'Native Americans' (the name would vary depending upon the tribe), and I think Brazilians call themselves Brasilianos (although that's not too much of a stretch). However, the indigenous people of the Amazon probably didn't call Brazil 'Brazil' or the Amazon 'the Amazon.' That sort of suggests the futility in trying to have a 'native' name.
Also, I can't seem to find ANY results on Weemoteeuktuk
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Most people think water in rivers comes from snow and rain at the top of some mountain and just flows (Slashdot crowd is most likely not part of that "most people"). The reality is that the water comes 'up' from the ground into the river system after the precipitation over much much larger area http://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/earthrivers.html . This is why environmentalist (and everyone else should) get pist when people bury and improperly dispose of stuff that is toxic - it's feeding ourselves waste not fit for consumption.
With a river as long and wide as the Amazon it's not surprising that the not all of the saturated water in the soil wells up to the ground but goes through porous rocks into a sub river. That combined with aquifer regions can hypothetically coalesce(sp?) into an underground river or lake system.
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I live over an underground river just as unlike a river as this, except nearer to the surface. Our well is over 100 feet deep, though. And it's horribly rusty.
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Could someone explain what they mean when they say the width is 3,700 miles long...
"The width of the Hamza is said to be 3,700 miles long..."
I can understand the length of the river being 3,700 miles long, wouldn't the width be another figure?
Is there some sort of "river nomenclature" I am missing?
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If you're fraking your significant other, I doubt that'll do any damage to the water table, unless you produce volume like Peter "Two Quarts" North, in which case there's a slight risk of organic contamination.
As for hydraulic fracturing, there is no such thing as "drinking-water-safe", just like there's no such thing as "clean coal". Cracks in the bedrock resulting from the frackage can propagate for thousands of feet above the well pipe, often unpredictably. That's kind of the point; the longer the cracks, the more gas-bearing rock is opened for collection in the well. Even if the well is drilled far below the water table, the cracks can still reach it, thus allowing hydrocarbon gases to enter and poison the water. Then there's the risk that the well casing can fail at the point where it crosses the water table, thus releasing gas and "frack fluid" (which is significantly more toxic than your "frack fluid" referenced above) into the environment.
Brazilians call themselves 'Brasileiros' instead of 'Brasilianos'. Interesting, 'Brasiliano' would be more appropriate from a linguistic point of view (the '-ano' suffix indicates someone who belongs or as born in a given place) than 'Brasileiro' ('-eiro' suffix indicates someone who performs a given action). 'Brasileiro' is used because the first (European) inhabitants used to perform the Brazil wood trade, hence the '-eiro' instead of the '-ano' suffix.
Well, on a second though, that's not interesting at all.
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...while its proper name, given by Native Americans, is Weemoteeuktuk.
Proper to whom? Which group of Native Americans, there are tons of them up there. The Navajo, the Ute, the Hopi, the Paiute, the Havasupai, the Hualapai? I'm sure I'm missing some tribes.
I wasn't aware that names weren't allowed to change. The first name something is given, is its name forever. I'm sure this is going to make me loose some "cultural feel good woo" points, but I'm past the point of caring. A name is a name, it isn't a magical identifier. The proper name for the Grand Canyon, in English, is "The Grand Canyon". Why is this proper? Because if I mention it to another English speaker they will know what the hell I'm talking about. If I say "Weemoteeuktuk", no one (even most natives) won't have a damn clue. If, in whatever language, "Weemoteeuktuk" is meaningful, and common, then that is the proper name within the smaller community, though they too will recognize what I'm referring to what I say "The Grand Canyon", making the term much more useful and ubiquitous. And thus superior, and this closer to "proper".
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And paddling upstream on this underground river it will lead us to the lost underground city, a city filled with gold, a city called ElDorado.
No? Can we then have at least a movie about it? Or better yet: any investors willing to pay me, so I can go looking for it? (And then do a book, a documentary, and an action movie.) -I must admit "underground river" invokes more interesting connotations than "slow flowing aquifier"
It's just like the Grand Canyon is the European name for it, while its proper name, given by Native Americans, is Weemoteeuktuk.
There are no Native Americans. We're all immigrants peoples here. Now, some of them got here a lot sooner than others...
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'Cause I wouldn't have been able to resist the temptation to name it "Amazon Prime".
Flowing at a rate of 1mm/hour, this is more like a gigantic seepage of ground water.
You forget that I was present at an undersea, unexplained mass sponge migration.
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Ongtupqa is bullshit!
When the Grand Canyon was originally dredged by the Great Old Ones, it's name was Gthugl'ghulthahghfhgal.
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Gthugl'ghulthahghfhgal is bullshit! It's original name was "Bigfuckingcanyon".
Hamza.com may have below bargain basement low low prices, but at 1mm per hour their delivery service sucks worse than a vacuum cleaner set to "blow".
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So why are the values given feet and miles?
The width of the newly-named Hamza is said to be 3,700 miles long[...]
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I am part Cherokee, you insensitive clod!
I really resent you lumping me in with a bunch of totally different cultures just because we all have brownish skin and had the same caricature in your children's books.
Do you want to know the Cherokee word for the Grand Canyon? It's two words, actually: Grand Canyon! No idea what the Hopi name is.
And while you're at it, get off my lawn.
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The -ano suffix (cognate to -an in English; both are sometimes preceded by i, sometimes not) gets used on (the Portuguese demonyms for) a number of nationalities, but it is far from universal. A number of them end in -es (with a macron thingydoo, or maybe it's a circumflex, over the e; cognate with -ese in English). Then you have ones like azeri (Azerbaijani) and afegão (Afghan) and canadense (Canadian), and probably a lot of others I don't know (I've only studied a tiny amount of the language).
Come to think of it, a similar situation obtains in English. Just considering state demonyms, wherein everyone shares the same linguistic heritage and there are no really foreign suffixes involved, we've got -an (Texan, Alaskan), -ian (Virginian, Floridian), -er (New Yorker, Rhode Islander), and some special forms (Hoosier - the only word I know for someone from Indiana, and I've lived there). Throw in cities and foreign places and you get suffixes like -i, -ani, -ese, -ine, -ite, -ic, -iot, -onian, -egian, and -ishman, not to mention special cases like "Dane", "Swede", "Spaniard", and "Breton".
Language is weird. That's probably why it fascinates me so much.
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Water source for the folks to tap into???
than 'Brasileiro' ('-eiro' suffix indicates someone who performs a given action).
So people from Brazil are people who perform Brazilians.
Well, on a second though, that's not interesting at all.
I don't know what planet you're from, but I find that very interesting, indeed...
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