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Boeing To Deliver First 787 Today
mosb1000 writes "The era of the plastic jumbo jet has finally arrived. Boeing is delivering their first Dreamliner to All Nippon Airways today. From the article: '"Comfort and cost are concerns of the business traveller and the 787 will deliver extreme advancements in fuel efficiency and many traveller features that will improve the journey," said Michael Qualantone, senior vice president & general manager, American Express Global Business Travel. Indeed, this twin-engine, bendy winged, widebody craft has raised the bar for fuel efficiency. Some 50 percent by weight of the 787 airframe is lightweight carbon-fibre composites that could, Boeing says, help reduce fuel costs by 20 percent.' I can't wait for my first chance to fly in one."
it goes smoother than the delivery of the 747-8 a week or two ago. Sort of embarrassing to have your first delivery customer refuse delivery.
I'm sure that won't be the case, though, as Cargolux seems to have been acting at the behest of the new parent company in an effort to get further reduced rates on the 787; Japan has too much invested in the 787 project for ANA to play games like that.
This is like when a car manufacturer makes a new car!
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The countless delays just lead me to think that there were too many problems with this new design or application of technology.
I'm not a materials chemist, but I'm pretty sure graphene doesn't quite meet the definition of "plastic." I guess the criteria aren't as well-established as I'd assumed. Long live the all-devouring synecdoche.
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Which is why they used the term Nippon and not "Nips". Much like some people with darker skin may be from Nigeria.
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No thanks, I will wait for the first crash/accident before I fly on one...
Well, you can already try the Airbus A380 - that has been available for a while now.
I've flown in a 747. That's been available for a while now, too. Like the A380, it's big and cool, but not meaningfully different from any other airliner made in the last forty years.
The 787 has higher cabin pressure and larger windows, which should make flying a little more comfortable. What was your point again?
If you knew anything about either plane, you would know that they have absolutely nothing in common. The A380 can carry nearly twice as many passengers, so if you're going to compare it to a Boeing plane it should be the 747.
A380 is 20% composites and B-787 is 29%.
Sorry, 787 is 50% composite.
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You should feel obligated to fly american if you are american.
Hey it works for military contracts and getting elected
A great way to get innovative technology into use without delay is to test it too little.
Would you want to fly in the airplane equivalent of KDE 4.0 or the first Unity Ubuntu desktop?
Seeing as how Airbus has been selling a lot during the 787 development I get the feeling that Boeing actually gets lots of integrity points out of all this.
Yet it will probably still have the outdated "No Smoking Signs".
No thanks, I will wait for the first crash/accident before I fly on one...
Using your logic one is a guinea pig on *every* flight, new design or old, fresh off the manufacturing line or in the fleet for a while. More aircraft have probably gone down to pilot error, mechanic error, or management (ex lack of proper maintenance) than have gone down to designer error. That said, being a guinea pig for the airlines is safer than being a potential target for an idiot on the highway. Life is full of risks, one has to leave mom's basement sometimes. :-)
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Some 50 percent by weight of the 787 airframe is lightweight carbon-fibre composites that could, Boeing says, help reduce fuel costs by 20 percent.
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Yes, there is rushed development and then there is long delayed development where somehow they can't figure it out and someone decides to launch it just to get it out of the door. Like say, a shuttle launch. No matter what the engineers say.
Boeing has killed a lot of people with stupid design flaws and cost cuttings, most aircraft companies have. Lets wait a bit to see if this will be a turkey or an eagle.
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50% composite by weight, not volume. It was in the article.
for business class passengers, at least.
Can't be that All-Nippon if they buy their planes from the US...
Depends how you look at it - the A380 has some of the largest composite structures ever used in the aviation industry, and tonne-to-tonne each A380 contains more composites than a 787.
Both planes are of recent design and architecture.
The difference (compared to older planes) lies more into the passenger's comfort (see above), fuel consumption, noise etc... than into the size of the planes.
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Sometimes sending one peon to a place like India or China is vastly more cost effective for a business than just ranting at them over the internet.
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telecommunications and the internet, are these things really all that relevant to international business? I cant imagine they serve any other purpose than airborne cattle-cars for the unwashed in economy class, and exotic chariots of booze and decadence for wealthy elite.
Funny that humans seem to really want to interact with other humans rather than some simulacrum. If you think this desire for person to person contact just results in an 'unwashed economy class' or 'booze and decadence' I think you need to get out more often.
Basements aren't a very healthy place to spend your entire life.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
What does that mean? Do the wings bend (in the vertical axis I suppose) more than normal? Or are they curved along the front or trailing edge?
I once read somewhere that commercial jetliner wings are unbelievably strong, they can be bent almost till they touch at the top before breaking. I recall that they are tested this way, and that on occasion they are tested until failure (in a heavily shielded test facility I hope!).
Oh well, I'm hoping that the next generation of aircraft have transparent hulls like some forecasts I think some european group made. Then airlines could market their flights as entertainment like theme park rides.
Seating may not be better, but the air will be at least. Higher air pressure, higher humidity, dedicated intake compressors, and sophisticated filtering.
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There are some things that can't be done via telepresence. Like it or not, business almost always boils down to personal connections. This is especially true outside of North America. In Europe and Asia, it can take years to build a relationship between a vendor and customer to the point where the customer will be willing to spend significant amounts of money. However, once you've built that relationship, you'll need to do a lot to lose that business.
By the same token, telepresence doesn't let you turn a wrench or otherwise get your hands onto equipment. Not everything has a command line or a web interface, and even those that do occasionally fail.
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I remember about six years ago sitting in JFK awaiting to board a plane home (3400 km). The Captain happened to sit down beside me. We got talking, and I mentioned that I come from a family of airline pilots, and helped build two home-built aircraft in my youth; both of which were the "Quickie" design by Burt Rutan.
"Oh," says the Captain, "I don't trust composites. That's why I won't fly Airbus aircraft -- they have composite tails. I want metal everywhere."
I wonder if this same Captain is about to retire, or if he's going to limit himself to legacy, short-haul routes?
No graphene anywhere in this (or any other) plane. You are confusing something.
The composite material are carbon fibers (essentially burned nylon), not graphene, nanotubes, buckyballs or anything similarly exotic. This is then drenched in polymer resin and backed. The polymer resin is the heaviest component in the overall composition.
Wonder if the Chinese subcontractors cut some corners ro quality to make a little more money? or the other foreign subcontractors who make up 30% of the craft?
Comfort is not a function of the plane but of the number of seats the airlines cram in. So, hands up anyone who thinks that, in a Dreamliner, as opposed to any other plane, you will actually be able to reach your economy class seat without advanced contortionism.
This all depends on the airline. Air Canada, for example, runs a 32" seat pitch on most of their aircraft, with a minimum pitch of 31". TBH, I'm 6'2" and fly some 120,000 miles a year. About the only aircraft I really have trouble with is CRJ-100s and the other tiny puddle jumpers. (That said, I love turboprops).
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The 787-8 is over-weight. That's understandable on a brand new design, but the 787-9 is in the wings (sorry) and will offer a longer airplane at the same weight. Many airlines are switching their orders from the -8 to the -9 since the 787 is supposed to be about efficiency, and the -9 is more so.
Speaking of which, as a bonus the 787 has a bleedless engine (more efficient), which means by side-effect that the cabin won't be filled with air that's been warmed by flowing through the engines. You can get all kinds of lovely solvents, lubes, and de-icers in the cabin air that way.
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Comfort is a function of passenger density and other factors, including cabin pressure, ambient humidity, air circulation, noise levels, etc. The factor you focus on is itself a function of passenger size, where on full-size commercial jets (of which the 787 is one) I have never been uncomfortable with an economy-class seat for any reason other than a supersized passenger seated next to me. And I'm not a small man. You have to be seriously obese for your main comfort problem on full-size jets to be how many seats are on the plane. Regional jets and turboprops are another issue, but the 787-8's maximum takeoff weight of 502,500 lbs. is more than 6 times that of the CRJ-900 in which seating comfort is an issue for non-obese people.
Your statement is applicable to every commercial airliner designed in recent decades, going all the way back to the 707.
And some others from Niger.
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Its about time we hear about great advancement in fuel efficiency for planes...now maybe we can start seeing cheaper fares
Aren't you forgetting the whole carbon fiber thing?
So you're saying the Dreamliner is the Sony Vaio Z to the A380's Macbook Air.
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Yeah, that pretty much covers it. As to the impact to business, how do you think modern IT personnel travel to Headquarters from their home country for meetings?
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Some 50 percent by weight of the 787 airframe is lightweight carbon-fibre composites that could(*) Boeing says, help reduce fuel costs by 20 percent
(*) Could? Doesn't that mean won't?
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New modern airliners, only they are so slow compared to what was available in the 1970s...
If I'm flying a long distance, i'd rather get there in half the time than sit for hours, even if the environment is more comfortable. Time spent travelling is time wasted.
Bring back Concorde!
Or better yet, surely technology has improved since the 1970s that we could build something *faster* than Concorde.
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Guess what airlines, 32.5 does not fit into 31 especially on 12hr sectors. Now where's my lawyer?
Telling you to buy a seat you fit in, I hope. I'm taller than you and I don't go about suing car companies who make many nice cheap cars that I can't fit in - I buy a car that fits me.
Tall men have plenty of advantages in life - we have to let the little guys win once in a while.
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but only if it does not involve US airports.
I am not really here right now.
The non-US subcontractors are in Japan, Italy, Korea, France, Sweden, and India. Not China.
Obviously some components are going to be made in China, but that's true of every aircraft made today, including other Boeings, Airbusses, Bombardiers, and Embraers.
Does it have a separate exterior door for the pilots, so we can stop with the stupid "security" that is supposed to prevent another 9/11 style hijacking? At the very least does it have the lock for the interior door on the outside of the plane so that the cockpit can't be opened during flight?
Both the 787 and A380 pressurize to 6,000 feet instead of the usual 8,000 feet. But the cool part is that the 787 doesn't bleed hot air from the engines as is normal. It uses a variable speed electrically driven compressor with a humidifier, heater and filters.
The 787 also has bigger windows.
The A380 really didn't introduce much new in technology, mainly built what we had bigger. The 787 is pretty radical.
Looking at the two wiki pages, I'd say there's nothing 'nearly' about it -
787-8: 210-250(242 typical airline)
787-9: 250-290(280)
A380: 525-853(525)
Going by minimum seatings, the 787 carries less than half. Going by max cattle car arrangements, the A380 carries nearly 3 times the passangers.
Comparing new features is a good thing, but there are different structural issues between a single floor 787 and a two floor A380. That doesn't change that they're both targeting what are, in the end, very different markets. Not necessarily a bad thing. Airbus offers maximum seating for the highest density routes, Boeing offers a very affordable plane to handle the multitude of lower traffic routes.
While I'm sure the A380 is a very nice plane, my impression is that it's also a more conservative one than the 787,
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Yeah good idea. We should seal the pilots in the flight deck like the Japanese did to their kamikaze pilots.
Oh wait....
If you're more than 4'11" tall and you aren't riding in business or first class you'll still be sitting with your knees under your chin and your neighbors elbows digging into your arms. Higher air pressure and humidity? BFD!
I would have to disagree with placing them in same category. They recent designs but both serve different purposes. That's like putting a Cadillac SUV in the same category as a Toyota Prius just because they have hybrid electric/gasoline engines. Also the 787 uses mostly carbon fiber which would require different architecture than a 380 which uses some carbon-fiber in certain areas.
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Both the 787 and A380 pressurize to 6,000 feet instead of the usual 8,000 feet.
I heard this on the news today and paused to consider how, since my house is at 7,500 feet, the new pressurization is likely to leave me feeling *more* invigorated when I'm in the air than I'll feel when I land.
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About the only important place the A380 uses composites is in the wing box, and it's about 20% by weight overall. The rest is just bits here and there to save weight, a chunk of fuselage here, a chunk of wing there.
The 787 uses composites almost everywhere, and depends on them for complete structural integrity. , Composites in a 787 are 50% by weight, 80% by volume, so you look at a 787, only about 1/5 of what you see is metal.
The situation is understandable, since when Boeing started talking about making a mostly composite plane, Airbus was pretty much dismissing the idea. At the time they'd only gone as far with serious use as the vertical stabiliser and rudder and the A330.
This was a huge risk by Boeing that delayed the project several times. I'm glad to see it finally coming through.
The A380 really didn't introduce much new in technology, mainly built what we had bigger. The 787 is pretty radical.
I wonder if people who make comments like the above actually ever look into just what the A380 introduced... I think they would be surprised.
If the pilot can't leave the cockpit, what happens in the middle of a 13 hour flight when they need to use the restroom? All planes already have reinforced locking doors between the cockpit and the cabin that can only be unlocked from the pilots side.
Comets are still flying under the guise of Nimrod. Same design, just like US's tanker planes are still based on 707s (or to be exact, the other way around).
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By the same token, telepresence doesn't let you turn a wrench or otherwise get your hands onto equipment.
... yet.
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How big of a screw-up not keeping your software versions consistent can cause? That was a world record.
But from memory, I know the revamped the cabin and avionics, but then everybody's been doing that for new aircraft versions. Generally I see things that Boeing was working on too, but the A380 beat due to Boeing's delays with the composites.
So got a list of really significant stuff in the A380 other than the size and record amount of cabling?
...You need only observe a discussion on aviation specs.
Boeing was working on the Mach 0.98 Sonic Cruiser, but the airlines shot it down, desiring lower operating costs instead of more speed. I doubt an SST is anywhere in the near future.
But at least a lot of tech for that went into the 787. So instead of getting more speed, we got the same speed but much more efficiency.
Let's hope it doesn't have unfirewalled telnet access like the 747. (See half way across that page)
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Part of the concept of the 787 is that it will reduce travel time by offering more direct flights. Hence the plane holds just 250 people but has a range of 8000 miles.
Apparently you've never been familiar with the usual humidity levels in a plane. 12%. Ever spend regular time in a climate with 12% humidity?
The 787 will allow them to up that level a bit allowing them to move out of the Atacama. Reason humidity is normally kept so low is (a) there's just no water at 35,000 ft and (b) damp conditions ruin metal, of which every other plane is mostly made of.
Now of the incredibly pro-union biased NLRB will just butt out of Boeing's legitimate business, Boeing might be able to get the second, third, fourth... planes out the door as well.
But no more, as 4 planes will be all that are required to carry the few people who can still afford to fly but aren't grabbing enough cash to buy their own private jets.
Having auditted Boeing software, and their processes, I'd honestly prefer not to fly on this. I'm not saying I enjoy flying on Airbus either, but knowing the quality of software engineering, I'd really rather wait at least two or three years before real life conditions prove the systems out.
The guys that bend the metal are sound, but I'm unconvinced that CF in such huge sections are going to be reliable as well under workload, and as for repairing them, well, I just can't see how every depot around the globe will have CF repair experts.
The Nimrods were retired in June iirc
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Agreed. Since the first planes go to ANA (or so it seems), I don't think there'll be a problem with comfort. ANA's economy class, on 747s at least, is like business class on U.S. carriers. I was pretty amazed.
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It was mainly supplier shortages. A big one was special fasteners for the composite airframe. Even worse was that to avoid disruption of supply lines they put regular fasteners on the parts for transit, which had to later be removed, replaced and the composites re-inspected.
They could use piddle packs, same as what fighter pilots use.
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wait, I thought calling them Nips was non-PC these days?!!
Also, remember that "All Nippon Airways" isn't some English translation; that is the official name of the airline given by the Japanese. Nippon is one of the older western-translations of the country's name "Nihon".
It beat the 787's planned launch date by a year, but the 787 was delayed more.
Airliners had been using more bits of composites for a while, and the A380 continues that trend. The 787 is the one making the daring move to a mostly composite airplane.
Remember, Airbus execs said the 787's extensive use of composites was "ridiculous" at the time. Sure, they were comfortable with bits here and there as in the A330 and some more in the A380, but they weren't willing to take the risk and jump in to really do something with composites.
Along with this thinking, for the A350 Airbus was just going to update the A330 and present it to customers, but they told Airbus to go back to the drawing board. In 2007, after most of the 787's composite design was known, Airbus came out with a composite A350 that by pure coincidence used almost the same ratio of composites to other materials as the 787 does.
The A380 has a reality distortion field around it. To residents of the USA it simply doesn't exist, they subconsciously block it from their thoughts.
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Boeing will never be stupid as they were with this one. They outsourced loads which is exactly what created this situation. They think that they saved money from the unions. Not even. The delay alone will set back payback about 7-8 years. However, if anybody has outages (and they will), then Boeing is going to suffer all over. Worse, they spread around the technology. Boeing has slit their own throat.
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The problem is the distance from my back to the seat in front of me. I do not overflow the seat in any way, and yet my knees are buried 1-2" into the back of the person in front of me on 90% of the flights. The only seats that seem to fit me are 1) first class and 2) United economy plus. Oh and business class on KLM is nice, too.
It makes no difference. All Americans block the A380 from their minds when discussing aircraft. Same thing with Concord, etc.
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So what if it wasn't due to design software issues, not really sure what you are pushing toward there.
The fastener issue was 100% Boeings cockup, as they were told by the fastener supplier that they could not produce quantities in the timescale Boeing desired, and they were told that when they placed the order - Boeing decided to push ahead for the 7/8/07 date regardless, and then acted all surprised when the supplier turned around and said "no".
Reworking that initial aircraft, and the subsequent four aircraft cost Boeing dearly, but it was never due to a fastener shortage, just a timescale cockup entirely if Boeings own concoction.
Request a bulkhead seat, they have more space but at the cost of a place in front of you to put your stuff.
... a 380 which uses some carbon-fiber in certain areas.
Certain areas like the central wing box, the tail, the leading edges, the central fuselage, etc?
There's not much there that would need a "different architecture", right...? You talk like they just changed a couple of doors or something.
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BS. My wife scheduled her LA to Sydney flight in sync with Quantas' use of the 380 over 747.
Writing "All X do Y" when talking about people is almost always wrong.
How tall are you? I'm 6'2", which is above average but probably not outside the median for Western men, and while the knee room on most flights is a bit tight, I attribute that to most of the flights I'm on using regional jets and it's rarely bad enough to cause serious discomfort.
Regarding KLM, while my experience with them is limited it was better than any other airline I've flown.
Put a bathroom in the cockpit. It's a brand new plane, and an airplane toilet doesn't take that much room. The toilet isn't that big of a problem. If a hijacker already can't get to the cockpit, how do hijacking happen?
The pilots are already sealed into the plane during flight. You can't just open a door and step outside as it is now. Denying the pilot access to the passenger area and passengers area to the pilot isn't some kind of suicide mission. If you put a bathroom in the cockpit, there is no reason the pilot should ever need to enter the passenger area.
Looked it up on Wikipedia because I was curious. The Demonym for a person from Nigeria is Nigerian, and the Demonym for a person from Niger is Nigerien. That's got to create quite a bit of confusion.
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I'd love to fly on an A380 too, but it's a completely different kind jet.
Thats baloney.
It is called the locked flight deck door policy. The pilot/first officer can open the door anytime they like. Furthermore company employees, CAA ops inspectors, ATC visits are all considered "trusted" and can enter the cockpit during flight.
I find the dry air on an A380 clears up my allergies a treat. The UK is very damp.
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Fuck yeah. We had TV movies about it and everything.
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What is baloney? That the pilot cannot step out of the plane during flight? I'm pretty sure the airline would be in pretty serious trouble if pilots start doing that in flight.
The fact that people can now move between the cockpit and the passenger area is exactly the situation that our security theater is supposed to prevent. There is no compelling reason that any of the "trusted" visitors that you name need to be passing back and forth between the cockpit and the passenger area while in flight. None. Zip. Zero.
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Your subcontractor is not meeting your quality standards and can't give a satisfactory explanation as to why.
OR
The system you supplied to a customer with a service contract is not working properly and you are getting nowhere with trying to fix it remotely or guide the customer through fixing it.
OR
Someone you need to deal with never answers there phone and is so slow in responding to emails you can't get anything finalised.
OR
You want to discuss something and you want to make SURE it stays off the record.
For all our modern technology sometimes there is no good substitute for actually being there to do something or sort something out.
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It makes no difference. All Americans block the A380 from their minds when discussing aircraft. Same thing with Concord, etc.
Not really. It's more along the lines of Airbus claiming a few years ago that doing what the 787 is doing was "ridiculous". Now you're saying "we're already doing it"? To turn around now and say "we're doing it already" when just a few years ago you were claiming it was "ridiculous" makes it pretty obvious you've no idea what you're talking about, and are just trying to backpedal and spin.
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If you knew anything about either plane, you would know that they have absolutely nothing in common. The A380 can carry nearly twice as many passengers, so if you're going to compare it to a Boeing plane it should be the 747.
I know the 787 has wings. Since you claim they have "absolutely nothing in common", I'm curious about what the A380 uses to generate lift.
"Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies."
Also, remember that "All Nippon Airways" isn't some English translation; that is the official name of the airline given by the Japanese. Nippon is one of the older western-translations of the country's name "Nihon".
Which is, of course, just another translation. The correct spelling is "", but /. will probably make mincemeat out of that as soon as I save it. Wake up and smell the non-ASCII present, /.!
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I think part of the problem for Boeing was the decision to outsource so much of the 787 Dreamliner compared to their previous airplanes.
Nippon is the Japanese word for Japanese (people). There's nothing derogatory or offensive with the usage.
Nips does not exist in the Japanese language, and was used as a slur in Anglo cultures, particularly pre-1960's. Nips is non-PC.
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Well, there was that Boeing vs Airbus industrial espionage a few years ago that ended up being exposed in court. Maybe some of the technology really did come from Airbus?
Fuel is still only part of the price. On most routes with only 40% of the seats filled, I expect the numbers will come out to be around $0.20 per statute mile breakeven for the airline, which is still a bit more than I'd be willing to pay. With 80% filled, the price falls by half. The capacity factor is the biggest determinant of ticket prices, more even than fuel. (Which is why the enormous A380 only makes sense for a handful of routes... and even when the passenger volume is high enough, on short routes more frequent flights do better - people don't want to layover 20 hours for a 2-hour flight)
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Also, remember that "All Nippon Airways" isn't some English translation; that is the official name of the airline given by the Japanese. Nippon is one of the older western-translations of the country's name "Nihon".
"Nippon" is not a translation. It is a word commonly used in Japanese. The phrase "Nippon Ganbarou!" (loosely translated as "Japan, let's do our best!") has been plastered all over the media since the big earthquake in March. Japanese money has "Nippon Ginkou" (Bank of Japan) printed on every note.
"Nihon" is a less formal alternative. It perhaps has less of a nationalistic flavor. Since "Nippon" and "Nihon" are written identically in kanji (Chinese characters), the pronunciation is generally up to the individual.
Ragging on people using the words 'all' or 'everyone' when everyone knows it is a euphemism for 'most', is anal retentive.
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"Though business-class seats in Air Nippon Airway's ANA.L initial configuration..." haha anal.
DO you have to secure your tray-table when you land your house?
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It was about the bids for the Air Force tanker contracts. It wasn't technical information like how to build a composite airplane.
I don't Boeing ever made it to court either. Some people were fired, one went to prison, and Boeing was heavily penalized.
A380 is just "Let's build it bigger." I really didn't think the Europeans would stoop to a pointless penis size contest, but there it is.
Let's increase boarding times, expand the cattle car theme. Let's make airports have to expand. Let's reinforce the annoying hub-and-spoke model.
Technically it is a decent aircraft that made moderate technological advances over its predecessors, but it never should have been built.
I wouldn't call that "first to really use." I'd call that just using a little bit more than the previous aircraft, evolutionary baby steps.
Now 50% by weight, 80% by volume, that's really using composites. If you look at a diagram of 787 construction with colors for materials, it looks almost all composite colors, with bits of color here and there for the metals (leading edges and engine pylons appear to be most of it). Composites lightened the plane so much, the 10% of weight that is steel is the landing gear.
I'm only 6'3", but my legs are proportionally longer than normal. The difference is only a few inches, but it makes a huge difference on a plane.
fuck that for a game of soldiers
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
I don't smoke. I want to go to a bar. I don't like being around smoke. Hmmm, I know, I think I'll go to a bar that allows smoking! Wait, no, that won't work, there's smoke there. Um...
What do I do? What do I do? Oh please nanny state, protect me! I'm too stupid to make basic decisions for myself.
This is baloney (from your original post):
>>> At the very least does it have the lock for the interior door on the outside of the plane so that the cockpit can't be opened during flight?
Really? you want the door between the flight deck and the rest of the cabin to be only unlockable from outside the plane? Are you aware of the many reasons why the pilot or first officer may need to leave the cockpit?
>>> There is no compelling reason that any of the "trusted" visitors that you name need to be passing back and forth between the cockpit and the passenger area while in flight. None. Zip. Zero. ...And you know this how? do you even have a pilots licence or work in the aviation industry? (Hint: I do)
A bar owner decides whether he wants smoking in his bar or not. Those who decide not by-definition have non-smoking bars.
If non-smoking bars do not exist in your area (provided the nanny state hasn't decided they all must be, and probably decided what time your mommy needs to wipe your butt), then non-smokers are free to start non-smoking bars. It's a ripe market ready to be plucked if so many are tired of the smoke.
And remember, I say this as a non-smoker. If I want to go to a bar where there's smoking, then I have absolutely no right to complain about the smoke. I'm the one who went in there of my own free will.
I wonder if people who make comments like the above actually ever look into just what the A380 introduced... I think they would be surprised.
Having flown in Lufthansa A380s, I didn't notice any difference between that and a generic 747/767. Having said that, Luftwaffe isn't exactly known for the quality of their economy-class travel, so maybe other airlines' versions are better.
Yeah, but at least the murphy bed takes care of itself.
The Quirkz Handbook of Self-Improvement for People Who Are Already Pretty Okay
From TFA:
Economy class will see some luxury additions, with a bar, female-only lavatories and Panasonic entertainment on demand for every passenger.
Female-only lavatories? - How can that be a good thing - in general that is. There are at least 50% men on a flight, and unless they also add some men-only toilets, they actually reduce the number of toilets available to more than half the passengers. The women can use them all but the men can't. That's neither fair nor a good thing. Besides, unless it is done for purely androphobic reasons, they won't benefit much. Women can just as easily make a mess, throw up or whatever as men. The pee on the floor issue can easily be prevented by installing sensors that pick up if you pee on the floor and if triggered locks the door and summons a flight attendant. She'll let you out and you'll then be given the choice of cleaning up yourself or be billed for it.
Something completely different... I just watched the first episode of the new show "Pan Am" and really enjoyed the amazing recreation of the time period and its technology. What really struck me was the beautiful experience it seems to have been to fly back then. People dressed nice (both the passengers and the crew) and were treated with respect all the way, both at the airport and on the plane.
We so badly need that these days. It's a disaster that a few stupid terrorists have made us accept to be treated like 2nd grade cattle. After all, none of the security measures currently in place (the security theater) at the airports really work (they miss like 60-80% of test items) and the highly invasive porn scanners or the equally invasive grope-search doesn't change much. Security shouldn't be a last minute thing at the airport; potential terrorists should be stopped long before they even get near an airport. I mean, currently nothing prevents a suicide bomber from lining up in the security queue and then detonate his bomb at the checkpoint. He'll still kill a lot of people who are packed there exactly because morons like him should be deterred from trying to get the bomb on the plane. If we didn't search people there, but stopped the moron while he was assembling his bomb instead, only the bomber would be a casualty if he detonated early.
"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." -- H.L. Mencken (1880-1956) --
Government people who had worked on the tanker contract went to work for Boeing and gave them all sorts of proprietary Airbus bid information so that Boeing could win the contract. Boeing was fined, barred from bidding, people were fired, people went to jail.
You may be thinking of the Lockheed scandal around 2000 time relating to a bidding for an Air Force rocket contract. Boeing hired on a Lockheed employe who brought with him a lot of Lockheed proprietary data. Boeing fired him for show, having "discovered" he brought the documents with him, but they kept and read a lot more than they initially disclosed.