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Ask Slashdot: What To Do In SW:TOR For Just 3 Days?

rodrigoandrade writes "I've been invited to participate in the beta testing program for SW:TOR. However, EA's giving out 3-day passes to most testers. A few people are receiving passes for longer periods. Mine will be from Friday 5am through Monday 12am (CST) (i.e. Sunday evening). Since it's a frakking 10GB download (almost 2GB for video alone) I'll use for only 3 days, I'd like to make the most out of it. If you're an experienced beta tester, please post some tips travel-guide style on what I should do, quests I should take, places to visit, etc. TYIA. May the Force be with you!"

211 comments

  1. Okay, I'll ask first: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    What is SW:TOR?
    (Yes, I can google it, but shouldn't it be explained in the summary?)

    1. Re:Okay, I'll ask first: by aicrules · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's something that EA is giving out 3-day passes to for beta testing. It consists of a 10GB download and contains quests.

    2. Re:Okay, I'll ask first: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Word!! My thoughts exactly.

    3. Re:Okay, I'll ask first: by Tridus · · Score: 4, Informative

      Star Wars: The Old Republic. A MMO being made by Bioware.

      At the very least they should link the acronym to a wikipedia entry or something.

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    4. Re:Okay, I'll ask first: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think it's a software implementation of Tor, as opposed to a hardware one..?

    5. Re:Okay, I'll ask first: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is SW:TOR?
      (Yes, I can google it, but shouldn't it be explained in the summary?)

      It's even tagged Starwars, what kind of nerd are you any way??

    6. Re:Okay, I'll ask first: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good morning, that's a nice tnetennba!

    7. Re:Okay, I'll ask first: by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      SW:TOR

      I think it is the
      Sweaty Women:Tournament of Raspberries

      Kind of a cage death-match scenario where they have to kill each other by blowing raspberries on each other.

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    8. Re:Okay, I'll ask first: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Crap, just made me dribble coffee down my shirt. Well played, AC.

    9. Re:Okay, I'll ask first: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      + inifinity

    10. Re:Okay, I'll ask first: by SleazyRidr · · Score: 4, Informative

      The kind of nerd who sees TOR and thinks of a secure routing protocol, rather than some game inspired by a kids movie?

    11. Re:Okay, I'll ask first: by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      Sweaty Women:Tournament of Raspberries

      Kind of a cage death-match scenario where they have to kill each other by blowing raspberries on each other.

      I would so buy that game.

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    12. Re:Okay, I'll ask first: by IAmAMacOSXAddict · · Score: 1

      It's something that EA is giving out 3-day passes to for beta testing. It consists of a 10GB download and contains quests.

      Actually, not 10Gb, it's 30+Gb.

      For those that don't know what it is, it's the New StarWars MMO comming out on December 20th (if you preorder you get early access, and it's estimated that there may be as many as 1 Million pre orders already). It's based 3000 years before the movies, 300 years after the original SW: Knights of the Old Republic game from Bioware.

      And I'm in Full beta (not NDA breaking to say your in). and all I can say to the poster is. Pick a class and play. You'll find it's a joy to play, there is no feeling of "Grinding" like in most/all other MMOs. You'll find that your leveling without even realizing it, as the Story is everything. you'll find yourself pushing yourself forward to hear more of the story, beyond the push to get levels...

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    13. Re:Okay, I'll ask first: by Nanosphere · · Score: 1

      What is SW:TOR?

      Birth Control

    14. Re:Okay, I'll ask first: by xmorg · · Score: 1

      You are all rong!

      Its SoftWare: Tour of Rift: Rift is a MMORPG. Its a special program for 3 days you can download 10 mb rift game and right when it finished dl, after 3 days, you have to pay.

    15. Re:Okay, I'll ask first: by Reverand+Dave · · Score: 2

      More like a virginity preserver

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    16. Re:Okay, I'll ask first: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I looked it up..
      I've watched every episode of that show a few times and I never recall Moss saying that?

    17. Re:Okay, I'll ask first: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Parent is +5 funny but not +5 informative like it is currently. Are the mods not reading the posts they are modding and understanding how they fit in?

    18. Re:Okay, I'll ask first: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Informative awards karma, Funny doesn't, and can even result in loss of karma if that funny is then downmodded.

    19. Re:Okay, I'll ask first: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny doesn't give karma.

      But if you're modded +1 funny, and -1 overrated, you end up losing karma because the +1 funny doesn't actually give karma to begin with.

    20. Re:Okay, I'll ask first: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

    21. Re:Okay, I'll ask first: by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

      Actually it should be either informative or insightful since people here are finally showing they are fed up with articles/posts made up of indecipherable shite acronyms that only their "in" crowd twats will understand. This site has a broader audience. Speak to THIS audience, not your friends. If you are using acronyms, explain what they are first. Or why bother to post to a site with a much wider scope of interests, something that many/most won't or don't understand. The mods are doing a good job on this one.

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    22. Re:Okay, I'll ask first: by ildon · · Score: 1

      Google is hard. :(

    23. Re:Okay, I'll ask first: by SmurfButcher+Bob · · Score: 1

      IT'S A TRAP!

      That's what.

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    24. Re:Okay, I'll ask first: by RoFLKOPTr · · Score: 1

      I find it funny that such posts are modded Informative or Interesting. They're joke moderations and they're about as meta you can get.

  2. No by hansamurai · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm in the full beta test, not just weekend, and unless your TOS is different, there will be no discussion here. All beta testers can admit is:
    1. The fact that the game exists
    2. The fact that you are in the beta test

    So yeah, umm... just try it out?

    1. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know about you, but I don't sign everything people put under my nose.
      Sometimes I push a non-binding button and people accept that but that doesn't bind me to anything.

    2. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, fortunately for the submitter, he used his real name for the submission, so there's a reasonable chance he won't actually get the chance to just try it out since he managed to break the TOS before even logging into the game.

    3. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just a guess, but his NDA, if it even exists, is probably way less strict, since one of the purposes of this test is to generate buzz for the release.

    4. Re:No by Nanosphere · · Score: 2

      *waves hand* You don't need to see beta information. This isn't the beta you're looking for. Go about your business. Move along.

    5. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm in the full beta test, not just weekend, and unless your TOS is different, there will be no discussion here. All beta testers can admit is:
      1. The fact that the game exists
      2. The fact that you are in the beta test

      So yeah, umm... just try it out?

      Generic beta testers, not in this particular beta, can talk at both of you all they want, though.

      If you don't want to dishonor your agreement with "Evil Ass" (which is what EA stands for, I presume), you and the OP have said yours. Now everyone else can share their wisdom about how to get everything out of a beta testing, in general.

    6. Re:No by jdpars · · Score: 1

      NDAs have stronger legal backing than ToSes.

    7. Re:No by Hatta · · Score: 3, Funny

      They should release a Star Wars version of Tor, to enable people to talk about SW:TOR.

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    8. Re:No by debrain · · Score: 2

      Sir –

      How does a signature relate to an agreement? A signature is evidence of the requisite intention to form, and execution of, a legally enforceable mutual promise, commonly known as a contract.

      Clicking a button signifies the requisite intention and execution, and is substitutable for a signature. What matters is the intention, and that there has been execution.

      With intention on both sides, and some form of execution of the terms, contracts become legally binding - by click or otherwise. This isn't exactly novel, see the 12 year old case: Rudder v. Microsoft Corp., 1999 CanLII 14923 (ON SC) (this case, and in particular the principle of adapting legal certainty to adapt to technological advances was affirmed by the Supreme Court of Canada in 2007).

      Please stop spreading the nonsense that a contract is unenforceable because it was executed by way of the click of a button. Judges don't think that, and so you shouldn't.

      Of course, there may be stray jurisdictions with different opinions – seek out and retain a lawyer for advice.

    9. Re:No by SCPRedMage · · Score: 1
      http://www.swtor.com/game-testing-agreement

      ADDENDUM A
      PERMITTED DISCLOSURES

      1. The fact that there is a Game Program.
      2. The fact that you are a member of the Game Program.

      So yeah, he's fine.

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    10. Re:No by ShakaUVM · · Score: 1

      >>Please stop spreading the nonsense that a contract is unenforceable because it was executed by way of the click of a button. Judges don't think that, and so you shouldn't.

      I've always been curious how companies know *who* clicked the button.

      Do they rely on psychics?

    11. Re:No by Issarlk · · Score: 1

      He disclosed that it's size is 10GB !

    12. Re:No by debrain · · Score: 2

      Sir –

      > I've always been curious how companies know *who* clicked the button.
      >
      > Do they rely on psychics?

      It's a great question. Usually in litigation a person being accused of violating an electronically executed EULA is asked under oath whether they did or not push the button and whether they understood that clicking on the button was agreement to some terms. The statements under oath serves as evidence, and the standard of proof is generally balance-of-probabilities (i.e. it's more likely than not).

      There are some arguments that expand agreement:
      - agency (i.e. whomever did click it was acting on behalf of the accused)
      -perfection by performance (i.e. the contract is enforceable because one used the software), and
      - equity (i.e. one benefitted by using the software or by evading the contract's terms).

      The above, along with other law, may expand the "who" beyond merely an act to the intention to enter the contract (or to avoid the terms, being a species of fraud), or to make the question of whether the terms themselves were agreed to irrelevant. Mind you, the consequences change depending on the conclusion as to what wrong has been committed (breaking the contract, avoiding entering it, benefitting from the software/service without a contract).

      There are weird "edge cases" that certainly would not result in contractual or other responsibility, but generally most people click the button and admit it or are unable to portray an honest, plausible story that exculpates them (dishonest people aren't usually the brightest).

      In any case, practically speaking these EULAs are consumer contracts that are enforceable for small amounts by threatening your credit rating (which is a nuisance to fight) or with the spectre of expensive litigation. Strong consumer protection legislation can (should) help alleviate the unfairness by way of abusing credit ratings and fear/consequences of consumer rights litigation.

    13. Re:No by Surt · · Score: 1

      Yes, don't ever click such a button, instead, make it clear that you don't agree to the contract by modifying the version of the executable that you purchased and legally own according to POS principles to not even display any such contract.

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    14. Re:No by CyberKender · · Score: 1

      Many Bothans died to bring us this information...

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    15. Re:No by bar-agent · · Score: 1

      How to do it right:

      "Yo dawg, I herd you like SW:TOR, so I put a Tor in your TOR so you can talk about TOR while you tour TOR!"

      (I should probably use more "u" and "ur", but...I can't. I just can't.)

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    16. Re:No by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      He's clearly fucked now.

    17. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ya Trollin hin niggga!!

    18. Re:No by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I've been in betas where you can't even say you're in beta!

      This whole closed beta thing is out of control I think. Too many players treat it as an honor and are furious when they don't get into a beta for an expansion and think that they're being insulted. And others treat beta as a treat instead of a job, so they're there to learn the tricks before other on their servers, or they're just having a good time adventuring for free. Others want notoriety, breaking NDA by posting screenshots, or after beta is over going around bragging. Also amazing are players who complain about content not being finished yet or encountering bugs, and players who keep asking if they can keep their characters when it goes live.

      A lot of betas now tend to be just marketing productions, especially open betas that anyone can join. This causes confusion when players are in closed betas or betas intended for testing instead of preview.

      I've also been in an open beta (ie, anyone allowed to show up) where the player base was so badly behaved I decided to never try the actual game when it came out.

    19. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's an anonymous forum. Who cares about the TOS?

  3. Ignore it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Height of Starwars has long passed and other games are a lot more fun and contain less douchery.

    Remember the SW MMORPG that changed so much in the end you couldnt find anyone who liked it anymore? Kinda like the movies - at least consequent.

  4. NDA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Isn't this still under an incredibly strict NDA?

    1. Re:NDA by aicrules · · Score: 5, Funny

      I cannot confirm or deny that.

    2. Re:NDA by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Mod the above "insightful".

      It's all about having fun; the article author treats those 3 days as a quest seemingly similar to "destroy as much environment as possible within 60 seconds". That's bullshit. You need to have fun in your own way and disregard the tic-tac, else it will mess up your fun factor. What else are you willing to do to get the most out of it? (sleep deprivation?)

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    3. Re:NDA by Exitar · · Score: 2

      Fun factor? In a MMORPG?
      MMORPGs are not games, they are a job!

    4. Re:NDA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. NDA is still in play. OP should be asking this in the tester forums.

    5. Re:NDA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From the trailers, it's an everquest-style engine with a few space bits and intro sequences. From EA's previous "efforts", it'll be a blatant attempt to siphon money out of subscribers for an unmaintained game world.

      Something tells me there's not much to NDA here.

    6. Re:NDA by war4peace · · Score: 1

      You wouldn't say...
      That's because people get all worked up about some bullshit ladders and Hall of Fames.

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  5. Play the game? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Play the game?

  6. The choice is obvious.. by blackicye · · Score: 1

    give your key to me for the 3 days, I'll figure it out for you!

    1. Re:The choice is obvious.. by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      ... or he could just punch you in the jeans.

  7. Um... by AngryDeuce · · Score: 4, Funny

    I would sit in the cantina and tell everyone how you were into Star Wars before it was cool and how Star Trek is better anwyays...

    1. Re:Um... by Dunega · · Score: 2

      I would sit in the cantina and threaten to kill people with a tray. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv5iEK-IEzw

    2. Re:Um... by jandrese · · Score: 1

      If Star Trek Online is better than this, than they're in serious trouble. Star Trek Online is crap.

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    3. Re:Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Star Wars was always cool. The original movie won awards and was the highest grossing movie of all time until E.T. Star Trek on the other hand had to fight to get the 3 seasons it had and was never well received.

      Better is subjective, but certainly Star Wars was always popular. Of course there was a certain Christmas special we dont talk about.

  8. Askslashvertisment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    By the way, does anyone have good tips to use the truly awesome beta of Win8? Because it's a big download, I thought i'd ask here first.

    1. Re:Askslashvertisment by kermidge · · Score: 1

      It's a developers' preview. Install as a vm, give it a couple of cores, a gig or so of memory, maybe 20gig dynamic hard drive. Have fun, explore. Unless you're a developer, waste time.

    2. Re:Askslashvertisment by silverglade00 · · Score: 1

      I suggest using that Windows 8 preview to see if SW:TOR will run correctly.

  9. WoW trade by Avatar8 · · Score: 2

    Sit in WoW trade chat spamming how SW:TOR is going to kill WoW while you wait for the EA beta servers to respond.

    1. Re:WoW trade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol

  10. Definately this! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ever noticed how the movies have similarities to old westerns and the like, like for example that the Ewoks are exotic, funny, but kinda stupid, natives?

    Definately walk around the whole time constantly asking all the other players for an answer to the following question :

    Is Star Wars racist or merely stupid?

    1. Re:Definately this! by Stargoat · · Score: 1

      Way way too far down in the comment section. A proper troll has to be timely and witty. You fail both of these requirements.

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  11. Sell It! by tgeek · · Score: 1

    Rabid Star Wars fanbois would pay top dollar for 3 days beta (read: early) access - probably enough to buy a nice dinner out or put your kid in private school for a year - or something in between.

  12. Weep by Bieeanda · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Weep, because someone reported this article to EA and you've both lost tester privileges and received a dire nastygram (+5 vs armchair lawyers) from EA's legal department.

    1. Re:Weep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How feel you? Afraid are you?

  13. W...T...F by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you fucking serious, Slashdot? Taco...Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...

  14. rodrigoandrade by aicrules · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Thank you for using a name that is nearly identical to the one you used to enter the beta. You will no longer need to spend any time downloading the game as your beta pass has been revoked for reasons that should be entirely obvious to you at this point.

    1. Re:rodrigoandrade by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      See, it's this kind of attitude that gives me just tons of faith that BioWare isn't scared to death of people actually seeing this supposed great WoW-killer for any length of time (and seeing its flaws).

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    2. Re:rodrigoandrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for using a name that is nearly identical to the one you used to enter the beta. You will no longer need to spend any time downloading the game as your beta pass has been revoked for reasons that should be entirely obvious to you at this point.

      Perhaps Rodrigo's roommate or friend is just jealous he didn't get a pass so he's screwing him over.

    3. Re:rodrigoandrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hahahaha, oh SNAP. Internet high-five for you, sir.

    4. Re:rodrigoandrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, aren't you just the NDA police? Are you hoping for a reach-around, or what?

    5. Re:rodrigoandrade by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 2

      The NDA explicitly permits you to disclose a) that there is a beta test, and b) that you are a part of it. So he hasn't broken the NDA.

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    6. Re:rodrigoandrade by aicrules · · Score: 1

      But what does the NDA say about disclosing the details of the NDA? HMM? jk In reality, I have nothing to do with Bioware, the beta or this game at all. Though I will be happy to hear what it is like once those details are made public.

    7. Re:rodrigoandrade by firex726 · · Score: 1

      Yea, its not like Blizzard is going to totally rework WoW before the release of SW and beat them to it.
      They are just worried people will find out it's shit and not buy it, just like how its become more common for negative reviews to be held till after release, while positive ones get to be published before.

    8. Re:rodrigoandrade by SharpFang · · Score: 3, Informative

      He gave:
      - download size (albeit wrong)
      - beta participation lengths, dates and habits concerning giving them out
      - beta access method (timed password)
      - method of participation (invited)
      - in-game task system (classic: quests)

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    9. Re:rodrigoandrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All of which are on the official forums and were posted by devs.

    10. Re:rodrigoandrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With the exception of download size (which is wrong), this is all public information posted by BioWare.

    11. Re:rodrigoandrade by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

      All of which, except for the timed password AFAIK, are publicly available info on the SWTOR forums themselves.

    12. Re:rodrigoandrade by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      Just a few days ago there was a story about a government agent sued for breaching state secret by posting a link to classified materials that were already posted on Wikileaks.

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    13. Re:rodrigoandrade by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Reviews should come from reviewers, not testers. Testers are there to find bugs not whine about the presence of bugs.

    14. Re:rodrigoandrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      - download size (albeit wrong)

      so you have now confirmed that the download size is not 10GB, your beta access has now been revoked.

      - method of participation (invited)

      So if you are not invited, how do you know your in the beta?

      - in-game task system (classic: quests)

      In the promotional videos online it's clear there are Quests, it's not new info. He hasn't played it yet so how do you think he knows there are quests? The quests are all voice dialog, this is a feature that bioware has been publicizing.

    15. Re:rodrigoandrade by Mordocai · · Score: 1

      To be fair, since he hasn't played it he doesn't know about the in-game task system. Therefore, he was probably using quests as a generic term and did not disclose anything with that statement. The other things may indeed be violating the NDA.

    16. Re:rodrigoandrade by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      OF course there is LOTRO and Turbine's effort with basically a free MMO and grinding or paying for turbine points. In this case are they worried that Turbine might make a play for the science fiction universe as a break from fanatsy and to target another market group. Yes, I have been playing LOTRO and found it a fairly interesting and entertaining game, for me lot's of game learning opportunities.

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    17. Re:rodrigoandrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... and no-one fucking cares about any of that crap.

    18. Re:rodrigoandrade by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      >So if you are not invited, how do you know your in the beta?

      Apply+first come first serve,
      Raffle+announcing the numbers
      Competition/quiz

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    19. Re:rodrigoandrade by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Just a few days ago there was a story about a government agent sued for breaching state secret by posting a link to classified materials that were already posted on Wikileaks.

      And if he had posted links to a publicly available web page from a public Pentagon site? Then your analogy might be relevant.

  15. waste of electrons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I can't believe this question got posted to ask slashdot. how about you BETA TEST THE GAME and figure out what you like for yourself?

  16. Well then... by iCEBaLM · · Score: 2

    There is a testing program, and I am participating in the testing program.

    That said, some of the details in the posers question are false.

  17. I would ask them why only 3 days by elrous0 · · Score: 1

    From the get-go TOR has reeked of a development clusterfuck. After failing to follow through with the massively successful KOTOR series on consoles, they come out with this PC-only MMO, followed by years of development hell (to the point where some were speculating it would be cancelled altogether). Now this supposed WoW-killer is coming out, and BioWare is suddenly pulling back on how many people will even be able to buy it, or beta it (not exactly a ringing endorsement of their confidence in their server load capacity). It doesn't help that part of the pre-order hype was that pre-ordering it would get you a chance to get into the beta (guess they forgot to mention the "for just three days" part at the press conference).

    Much as I loved KOTOR and want this game to be good, this whole thing is starting to smell less like a WoW-killer and more like the Star War Galaxies mess all over again.

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    1. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by iCEBaLM · · Score: 1

      It doesn't help that part of the pre-order hype was that pre-ordering it would get you a chance to get into the beta (guess they forgot to mention the "for just three days" part at the press conference).

      Never saw that, as part of the preorder you do get "early game access", which is a way for them to do a controlled ramp up of the playerbase so not everyone is hitting the newbie zones all at once.

      There is a testing program, and I am participating in the testing program, all I can say to you is, it's fucking Bioware dude, the game will be awesome, chill out.

    2. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3 days is just enough so that people don't see through the eye candy.

    3. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      t's fucking Bioware dude, the game will be awesome,

      BioWare has never made an MMO.

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    4. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are either completely misinformed or an idiot. At no point did it say that if you pre-ordered you would get into the beta. Not once. Never. Pre-ordering got you into an early-access. To some illiterate folks on the forum, they thought it meant beta access, but what it really means is that people who pre-ordered will be able to log into the live servers early. There is still a lot of speculation on how early. It would seem to me that you're bashing the game because 1.) it isn't the KotoR sequel you wanted. 2.) It's PC only and 3.) because you're not in the beta.

      Also, what do you mean they're pulling back how many people will be able to buy it? Are you making that up because pre-orders are limited, or do you honestly believe they're just only going to sell a finite amount and then stop? Your sense of entitlement is sickening, and your stupidity is unnerving.

    5. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by iCEBaLM · · Score: 1

      Bioware has never made a bad game.

    6. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by Bieeanda · · Score: 1

      WoW-Killer is the single stupidest term I've seen thrown around in MMO circles since that game launched. The only thing that is going to 'kill' that game is itself-- it is a gigantic statistical anomaly in a realm where a few hundred thousand subscribers is still considered acceptable, and two or three million is healthy to excellent. There is no way that SWTOR could have pulled ten million subscribers or drawn off five or six from WoW (many MMO players will subscribe to multiple games, so it's not a zero-sum calculation) even under ideal circumstances.

    7. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Also, what do you mean they're pulling back how many people will be able to buy it? Are you making that up because pre-orders are limited

      Funny, I don't recall Blizzard ever having to do that. Sure sounds like BioWare is scared to me.

      But believe what you want.

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    8. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by muffen · · Score: 2

      Preordering was not going to give you a better chance of getting into beta, it was going to give you early access to the game, and it will still give just that.

      Not opening up for everyone on the same day at the same time might not be the dumbest of ideas, one can assume that servers will get hit pretty hard at start, don't see why this is a problem. It's fairly clear that the first weeks to month of an MMO decides its popularity, very few games have survived or come back from an initial disaster.

      Pulling back on how many people can beta it? Seems like everyone is getting beta access these days, should they maybe just open up free playing for everyone until release?

      I'm looking forward to the game anyway, and if it becomes a "star wars galaxies mess" I will happily play it, because I think that vanilla SWG is one of best MMO's ever created.

    9. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by mr_gorkajuice · · Score: 1

      Dragon Age 2

    10. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by xMrFishx · · Score: 1

      Yes but remember, EA is involved. There's a first time for everything.

    11. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by Tridus · · Score: 2

      Well, Bioware has still never made a "bad" game. Dragon Age 2 is more in the "steaming turd" category.

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    12. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea, Blizzard didn't do that, and the WoW servers rolled over and died for the first week of launch. The same has happened for pretty much every major MMO release since, and people have gone ballistic. Good games have gotten torn apart before they even got off the ground because of it. And so finally someone says "OK, we'll only sell as many copies as we have capacity for" and then they get ripped for that. You can't have infinite server capacity, and you can't accurately predict how many copies you'll sell unless you put limits on it. This to me says they actually give a fuck about having a good launch, rather than just pumping out as many copies as they can. If they thought the game sucked, they wouldn't have these limits, since they'd want to sell as many copies as possible before reviews hit.

    13. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by Dyinobal · · Score: 1

      steaming turds in your mind are not bad?

    14. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by idontgno · · Score: 1

      They're not games.

      Follow the logic. "Bioware has never made a bad game. If Bioware made it and it's bad, it's not a game; it's a steaming turd. Therefore, Bioware has never made a bad game. Q.E.D."

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    15. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      There is an ongoing beta, and there are testing weekends. So, in answer to your "why only 3 days?" question, the answer is that it's not only 3 days.

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    16. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From the get-go TOR has reeked of a development clusterfuck. After failing to follow through with the massively successful KOTOR series on consoles, they come out with this PC-only MMO, followed by years of development hell (to the point where some were speculating it would be cancelled altogether). Now this supposed WoW-killer is coming out, and BioWare is suddenly pulling back on how many people will even be able to buy it, or beta it (not exactly a ringing endorsement of their confidence in their server load capacity). It doesn't help that part of the pre-order hype was that pre-ordering it would get you a chance to get into the beta (guess they forgot to mention the "for just three days" part at the press conference).

      Much as I loved KOTOR and want this game to be good, this whole thing is starting to smell less like a WoW-killer and more like the Star War Galaxies mess all over again.



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    17. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by IAmAMacOSXAddict · · Score: 1



      <quote><p>t's fucking Bioware dude, the game will be awesome,</p></quote>

      <p>BioWare has never made an MMO.</p></quote>

      Neither did Blizzard, before WoW...

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    18. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, they are getting a lot of help from Mythic and they made a bad MMO called Warhammer Online.

    19. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by DavidTC · · Score: 2

      No shit. And, as others have pointed out, it's not just a server thing. They might have enough servers and yet still not want every single person in the world creating their character at the same time and heading out into the same newbie zone. Just because the servers can handle 500,000 people doesn't mean they can handle 200,000 in the same room, and even if they can 'handle' it it still might be quite unusable for the players.

      And you're right, practically every single MMO I've heard of seems to have died in the first week. There's always something that didn't scale correctly.

      So trickling people into the sever is quite possibly the sanest decision I've ever heard of for an MMO.

      Plus, restricting access to a new product, if done to a small extent, increases hype for it. Restricting it too much just pisses people off, but if people can get in within a month or so, it's fine.

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    20. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by Xugumad · · Score: 2

      Do you remember when Square Enix released nothing but brilliant games?

      Seen FFXIV?

      That's their second MMO. This is Bioware's first. I'm not saying it will be terrible, but I am saying I'm not holding out a lot of hope here.

      My Bioware history is a bit wobbly, but have they even released multiplayer games before?

    21. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BG1, BG2, The Neverwinter Night Series (And ugh the lag issues there, try playing a Wizard/Sorcerer, even locally!)

      Honestly NWN was capable of having 30+ players in it, but besides all of the hype and promises (They claimed Linux and BeOS support, kept the BeOS claim long after it was unlikely, and kept the linux claim right up until release day.... only to take a *YEAR* to release the CLIENT without even Toolkit support (written windows only using windows GUI library, and with movies in BIK format, linux support for which didn't come out for 2+ years, and never officially in the client?)

      Which Iended up buying the full set of NWN and expansions, Honestly I more or less vowed that was the last Bioware game I'd buy given their treatment of the community, and having bought KOTOR 1 out of curiousity when it hit the bargain bin, I found myself without any motivation to buy any further titles (KOTOR having turned out to be even less fun than NWN which was *MUCH* less fun than BG1, by far the most freeform game they ever created.)

      But obviously nobody agrees with me or Bioware wouldn't be as successful as they currently are.

    22. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

      Aaand you're wrong. Beta participation is decidedly not based upon preorder.

    23. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

      Which as a game was fine. The reused areas were fucking irritating, and it should not have been a Dragon Age game, but it was a perfectly good game ignoring those two facets.

    24. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

      Pre-orders aren't limited. Collectors Editions are, but not pre-orders. The reason for the CE being limited is because they are only commissioning so many of the Gentle Giant statues.

    25. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Bioware has never made a true Scotsman.

    26. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a realm where a few hundred thousand subscribers is still considered acceptable, and two or three million is healthy to excellent.

      Less than that. Around 100,000 subs has traditionally been the point where a big-budget MMO is doing "pretty good", and anything past that is gravy. Everquest 1 peaked at around 500k, and that was when it was the 800-pound gorilla whose numbers everyone else could only dream of achieving.

      Of course, the rise of the free-to-play model in the last couple of years has made those numbers unreliable, since you can no longer ballpark your income just by counting subs.

    27. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by WhiteDragon · · Score: 1

      ... KOTOR series on consoles, they come out with this PC-only MMO....

      Up until reading your comment, I literally had no idea it was on consoles. I only ever knew about it on PC. I haven't played it though. I had a roommate who was hugely into PC gaming and Star Wars, so KOTOR was his idea of the perfect game.

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    28. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by Sigg10 · · Score: 1

      Too bad that Mythic has been helping Bioware with a lot of the game. Mythic's last MMO was Warhammer Online which wasn't all that great and plagued with issue from release and before that they did DAoC.

    29. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by blackicye · · Score: 1

      Additionally, if "killing" a 10 year old MMORPG is the highest goal of a new launch title, they seriously need to improve their product and strategy.

    30. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by TheJediGeek · · Score: 1

      Except it won't be the same game as original SWG. I think GP meant that it will be subject to some of the same disastrous decisions that killed SWG and not the game play. It's already a class lock-in, level based game. That already puts it closer to the NGE version of SWG than it does to the original version. I don't have high hopes for this game. After what George Lucas did to the franchise, along with how SWG was killed, Star Wars is mostly dead to me now.

    31. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by iCEBaLM · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you missed the part where I said:

      There is a testing program, and I am participating in the testing program.

      Really, just relax, take a deep breath, and think good, happy thoughts, I know I am.

    32. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahem:
      [morbo voice]
      Induction does not work that way. http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2386#comic
      [/morbo voice]

    33. Re:I would ask them why only 3 days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Applause

  18. Download by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    10GB Download? That's optimistic, it's closer to 30GB. Unless they're releasing a limited build to weekend testers, which could make sense, but for me it's over 25GB. Or perhaps the download is compressed and I didn't notice

    I only just got into the beta myself, so I can't give much of a guide. I got into full testing, but have somewhat limited time to play, so I'd be interested to hear some points of interest myself.

    Apparently some people have got to the maximum level in a week, could be interesting to see how far you can get in 3 days, but if it were me I'd do some exploring and try out all the different classes. You can unlock advanced classes (two choices for each base class) at level 10, and it's pretty quick to get through the low levels. Try and be a useful tester and submit bug reports too! There's more chance of being selected to test again if you do that, rather than just playing for fun.

    1. Re:Download by lennier1 · · Score: 1

      30 gig? Let's hope they'll release it as a Blu-ray title or people are going to be in trouble.

    2. Re:Download by TouchAndGo · · Score: 1

      It says it needs 30GB during the install, it only downloads about 10.

  19. bugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Look for bugs. Not design bugs, but real bugs. Like spiders and report these findings.

  20. Play it by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 1

    Play it
    And have Fun!!!

  21. Due to the NDA...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can neither confirm nor deny that there is anything you can, can't, would, could, or should do in said game.

    1. Re:Due to the NDA...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think his 10GB download estimate is....... low.

  22. Where to ask by Divide+By+Zero · · Score: 3, Informative

    While you're downloading the mammoth client, ask this question in the Beta Tester forums on Bioware's SWTOR site. There, people who have been in the test for a long time can give you tips without fear of violating NDA.

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    1. Re:Where to ask by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's only 10 GB. The full beta client is 35 GB, downloaded every time there is a new build (every 6-8 weeks).

    2. Re:Where to ask by webheaded · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I really don't understand why this even got posted on Slashdot. The best place I can possibly think to go is the beta testing forums. No wonder people have trouble finding things on the internet...they go about things in completely illogical ways...like typing a domain name into Google to get there. x_x

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  23. Fight Club for nerds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So, the first rule of SW:TOR beta is... you do not talk about SW:TOR beta?

  24. - In beta by h4x0t · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Um. Play 1 class as far as they will let you.

    Report bugs in a coherent manner.

    Have fun and tell your friends if you like it.

    1. Re:- In beta by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Do the unpopular stuff too. 99.9% of the beta testers are there to be cool and do the cool stuff and have put all of that through it's paces. Probably some power leveled to see the cool end game and bypassed the low and middle level stuff as fast as possible. Don't worry about class balance or combat mechanics, the theory crafters have run all this through their spreadsheets already and declared that it is unworkable, instead see if the class is actually fun and playable. Find the class that everyone hates and does the lowest DPS and play that one because the kiddies haven't been testing anything that can't pew-pew.

  25. Not play it by ZeroSerenity · · Score: 1

    Resist the darkside...

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    For those who seek perfection there can be no rest on this side of the grave.
    1. Re:Not play it by jank1887 · · Score: 1

      better yet, don't.

    2. Re:Not play it by UziBeatle · · Score: 1

      Not a problem.
        I will not be in the queue.

        I've enjoyed many Massive Online RPGames since 2001. Oh, six or so or more come to mind.

          I might have tried this one. However.

      Soon as I saw some game play vid of wankers wacking
      away at each other with light sabres and little damage being done I realized there was no way I could enjoy the game.

          I could not remove from my mind 'the fact' that a light sabre
      in the Star War universe I know (movies) is one mean SOB weapon. About the only thing a light sabre bounces off of is another farking light sabre. LIght sabres were used to cut thru
      farking bulkheads for crying out loud. /sigh

          As silly as the movies were they firmly established in my mind
      what 'Star Wars' physics are. For the game to reduce
      such a massive weapon to a mere limp dick sword just does not
      pass the credible BS test.
          But, I suppose they had to have light sabres in the game or the wankers would not flock to the game.

        Me , I would have been satisfied with something less then a farking GOD MODE light sabre, just drop them except for use by certain NPC's or special events.
          Of course the game makers knew it would be silly to have the God Mode light sabre in the game they had to nerf them. I guess they were stuck in a 'situation' as they knew a huge wanker population wants to be pretend Jedi Knights.
          So they have to serve them. I do not like wankers.
          Oh well, I lose.

      Based on the flock of peeps going bonkers over this I'm in a tiny minority of potential players.
          So, enjoy your wanking away with light sabres.

        No, you will not find me in your lines at the Star Wars conventions either.

         

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    3. Re:Not play it by Jaruzel · · Score: 1

      As I understand it, they restricted Light Sabres to levelled up Jedis/Sith in Star Wars Galaxies and the playerbase hated it, so Galaxies tanked and died.

      I seriously doubt that ANY online Star Wars game will work, when 90% of the playerbase want to be uber Jedi/Sith from the moment they first log in. People just do not want to be scruffy nerf herders, or sail barge waiters in their favourite universe.

      This isn't just confided to Star Wars; Star Trek, Stargate, and My Little Ponyland all suffer this problem.

      -Jar

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  26. The stuff is the best by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2

    Go do the things at the place.

    1. Re:The stuff is the best by Chakra5 · · Score: 1

      with stuff.....lots of stuff

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  27. Go East by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is a building to the east, go there, inside you will find a lamp.
    Take the lamp, you will need it for your adventure.

    1. Re:Go East by TheSpoom · · Score: 1

      You have been eaten by Darth Grue.

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  28. site down.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    swtor.com has now succumbed to the slashdot effect. One wonders how "massive" this multiplayer game will be able to realistically handle.

  29. It depends upon your server by netskink · · Score: 1

    Are you on a roleplaying server? If so run around town in your underwear and beg for money in trade chat, act like a kid and whine about your older/brother or parents, when in party talk shit about your team mates gear, while doing anything which requires cooperation make sure you do not participate. In general, spend more time chatting and less time playing. If you know a fart joke make sure everyone else knows it and 10 variants. Are you on a pvp server? If so level as fast as possible and then when you are level 10+ go to the opposing starter area and grief the newbies. Are you on a normal server? Go to town and whine about how good players are on a pvp role playing server. Roll a tank, wear dps gear and rag on your healers.

  30. Time to hand in you Nerd card by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Time to hand in your Nerd card, I don't play any of those games, and I knew what they were talking about.

    1. Re:Time to hand in you Nerd card by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's okay, I handed in my Nerd card some time ago when I got a girlfriend. :)

    2. Re:Time to hand in you Nerd card by md65536 · · Score: 1

      Time to hand in your girlfriend and get your Nerd card back so that you can know what all the acronyms mean including "any of those games" that you don't play.

  31. Play the game by ripdajacker · · Score: 1

    Just play the game.

    Choose a class you find appealing, try to level it, complete quests etc.

    I am not a beta tester, but have tested betas before, and you're supposed to just play the game.

  32. skip it? by vlm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you're an experienced beta tester, please post some tips travel-guide style on what I should do, quests I should take, places to visit, etc. TYIA.

    Places to visit: Take the kids to the park and have a picnic, leaves are beginning to change and most of the mosquitos are dead where I live. Take (your) spouse to romantic dinner. Find a museum and look at artifacts for awhile. "Interpretive centers" mostly suck. Stay away from tourist traps in general.

    Good quests, easily accomplished in 3 days: learning everything you need to pass the entry level ham radio license in your country. Another good quest is setting up IPv6 and completing the entire hurricane electric "sage" testing program. Set up a simple, crude mythtv system for the pure fun of it. Set up an asterisk voice pbx and fool around with all the features.

    Travel guide style? Rick Steves to the rescue.

    Oh you meant a SW:TOR beta tester, not just a guy who tests software in general. Oh you meant inside SW:TOR not just a long weekend. I still say skip it, the MMORPG bubble is over and poppin' and after SW:TOR is just a memory (probably pretty soon) you'll look back and wish you did something useful that weekend. What could you go with 10 gigs of downloads that would be more fun? Well, probably almost anything else. Even 10 gigs of spam emails would be fun to data-mine or graph or analyze.

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    1. Re:skip it? by StuartHankins · · Score: 1

      +1 Insightful.

    2. Re:skip it? by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      Just because you don't like MMORPGs doesn't mean nobody else does. Rather presumptuous of you.

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      "16MB (fuck off, MiB fascists)" - The Mighty Buzzard
    3. Re:skip it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The poster did not say he doesn't like MMORPGs or imply that nobody else does. You presumed it.

      AC

    4. Re:skip it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Goodness, doing real things in the real world is far too dangerous. I'll stay inside in my sweatpants next to my coffee mug warmer and pretend to get social fulfillment from NPC interactions.

      Oh, and yes I am a full fledged beta tester. Yes, everything I have seen thus far is worth checking out. So go and explore but don't forget to go outside with your friends as well!

      @TOR being a wowkiller. There is simply no such thing. WoW will eventually kill itself, but that will happen slowly over a decade or two. (Or during WW3 whichever comes first)

    5. Re:skip it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      -1 Pretentious.

    6. Re:skip it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Set up an asterisk voice pbx and laugh at how poorly implemented it is

      There, fixed that for you.

    7. Re:skip it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you know.. just enjoy the 3 day pass for what it is. Entertainment is where you find it and it shouldn't be judged as a social status indicator.. "If you play a MMO and don't learn how to make some random hipster artsy thing like a suit made out of steak (you should spend at least 3 days on this) then you're just one of the little people because the mmo bubble is over says me". Yeah.. get an iphone and upgrade your identity already.

      To the OP just have fun with it. I'm in the full beta and can't talk about it but I think anyone that has enjoyed online gaming and likes starwars will get some value out of this game. Just pick a class you like and go.

    8. Re:skip it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bubble? Popping?

      No, no, no. This is just the first step to realizing our ultimate MMO... the holodeck.

    9. Re:skip it? by vlm · · Score: 1

      I like grinding with the best of them, I don't want to "invest" in a new entrant in a dying field. Therefore the "do something else".
      Same issue with downloading. Hmm, 10 gigs of a probably non-survivable game that I can only use for 3 days and probably won't even be around anymore "soon", or 10 gigs of movies, music, ebooks, warez, and pr0n that are great "forever".

      Betting on horse racing might be smart or dumb, your opinion is irrelevant (said in best 7 of 9 voice). But betting on one of the last horses out of the gate, well, that is just plain ole dumb.

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      "Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
    10. Re:skip it? by vlm · · Score: 1

      -1 Pretentious.

      I will admit I was only arbitrarily thinking of "int" and "wis" when I listed some quests.

      I am willing to bet if I get "cha" quests like "one night stand" or a "str" quest like "go to gym and work out" or a "dex" quest like "play darts at the pub with your friends" you'd feel much better. If your int and wis are too low, theres perfectly good weekend quests for you too...

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      "Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
    11. Re:skip it? by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      No evidence suggests that the MMORPG genre is "dying". In fact, it's going strong. TOR will carve out its own little niche and do well.

      Besides which, even if TOR were fated to die 6 months after release, it's irrelevant. If I got 6 months of fun out of a game, I call that a success. I don't need a long term investment to enjoy a game, I play games to enjoy them now. If I also enjoy them years from now, that's simply gravy.

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      "16MB (fuck off, MiB fascists)" - The Mighty Buzzard
  33. Three Days? by Ardx · · Score: 0

    Since you asked opinions of what to do for 3 days, I would spend it personally just figuring out the direction of EA's headquarters from your location in the world and occasionally giving them a middle-fingered salute like they've done to nearly every quality game company they've 'aquired' over the years.

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  34. Answer by Virtually+Sane · · Score: 1

    Easy - don't sleep :)

  35. Dear slashdot, How do I play games? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This post reads like "How do I play games?"

    Seriously?

    Just play the damn game like you normally would. 3 days is a lot if you plan on sitting through 8 hours.

    You can accomplish a lot in just 4 hours of play in many RPGs and MMOs.

  36. Kentilla by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

    Advice: If you trade the trolls your sword- you can always get it back by saying "Kentilla" - no force required.

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    "That's the way to do it" - Punch
  37. Try the bizarre stuff by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What might you do that's not within the "norms?" can you run through walls - find a way to get an unfair advantage through quirks in the programming? I'd look for things that can ruin the experience if not fixed. That's what adds value to a beta test - finding the bugs that no one thought about.

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    I'm a consultant - I convert gibberish into cash-flow.
    1. Re:Try the bizarre stuff by jandrese · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately, it's almost impossible to discover stuff like that in 3 days. It's hard to break mechanics when you barely understand how they work. That's why I hate ultra-short betas like this, it's almost impossible to give good feedback, especially since you're stuck doing the level 1 content that has been beta tested to death by the legions of other 3 days testers.

      Face it, a 3 day beta is basically just a demo in disguise.

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      I read the internet for the articles.
    2. Re:Try the bizarre stuff by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      What might you do that's not within the "norms?" can you run through walls - find a way to get an unfair advantage through quirks in the programming? I'd look for things that can ruin the experience if not fixed. That's what adds value to a beta test - finding the bugs that no one thought about.

      A lot of people seem to think "Beta" just means "early access." It also doesn't help when an MMO says "beta access" to members, when it fact it really is just early-access to the game like 2 weeks before release. Also, Google doesn't help matters either with how it labels its products Beta even though the regular public has been using its feature/app for years.

      My understanding, early-level play testing is like you described. I recall stories where testers would be given a list of known and obscure bugs that were a PitA to replicate and had to repeat that bit for hours and hours to say if it's done. Check every-inch of the walls of every room+hallway to see if there's a glitch/void. See if you can get the outfielder in this baseball game to run through the fence. If you and the boss hit zero-health at the same time, are you still left standing with zero-health. etc

      Meanwhile, in the MMO's the users that get access to the "beta" (aka 2 week / 1 month early access) think they're gods and that what they tested was the original code. And not simply the stress-testing that it really way.

    3. Re:Try the bizarre stuff by WombatDeath · · Score: 1

      I assumed it was some sort of combination of advertisement and stress test.

  38. Suggestion. by gallondr00nk · · Score: 2

    Hunt down and destroy the ancestors of Ja-Ja Binks.

    1. Re:Suggestion. by Sprogga · · Score: 1

      Yousa never finda them.

    2. Re:Suggestion. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blow up they homeland planet then!

  39. Skip it by mr_gorkajuice · · Score: 1

    The purpose of beta testing SHOULD be to find bugs. However, since EA apparently think THEY'RE the ones doing YOU a favor by ALLOWING you to FIND BUGS for them, give them the finger.

    The fun part about an MMO (for those inclined to play MMO's) is developing your character, which is a complete waste of time when your virtual character has only 3 days to live.

  40. Thermal Detonators. by CFBMoo1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Get as many of them as you can if they exist and run around to people setting them off. Be sure to type "Ssssssssssssssss...." in chat before it goes off and make sure you are wearing as much green as possible.

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    1. Re:Thermal Detonators. by webheaded · · Score: 1

      I wish I still had mod points. xD

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      "Those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - BenF
  41. uninstall it and find a good game to play by cod3r_ · · Score: 1

    maybe bf3?

    1. Re:uninstall it and find a good game to play by blackicye · · Score: 1

      maybe bf3?

      I doubt anything could possibly be worse than the Battlefield franchise.

  42. What kind of front-page article is that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What the hell

  43. As an experienced QA tester... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    All the showstoppers have been found already. Since we're in beta (I'm in too), directed tests are out, unless you really want to feel like one of the minimum-wage guys they force to do the same thing over and over again. If you're feeling playful, you could try to break collision detection and get out-of-bounds, try to cheat, what-have-you.

    Developers love nothing more than for you to test edge cases. If you find something rare or unusual the typical response (even internal) is "designed that way" or "working as intended." :V

    Focus on the beginning and end of actions and quests. The middle is usually tested to hell. Achievements are usually rife with bugs, so pay special attention to ones that count quests and kills, and make sure they're tracking yours.

    They're also worrying quite strongly about polish (and rightly so). If you see something that bothers you, say something! (And try to make it eloquent and to the point about why it bothers you.) Awkward animations, equipment placement on your character model (I can't tell you how many bugs I've filed over weapons and shit that clips through a model's hand in weird ways), missed, early or late sound cues, missing visual effects (just about everything you do should have one)... See what happens if you get a bunch of people together in one place and spam emotes. Used to crash WoW servers that way. In fact, one of the best things to do in beta is get together in a group and do the random shit you have planned. Testing is usually done individually or in small groups, which is why the beta is going to be big: they want stress testing like you wouldn't believe. So feel free to spam.

    Above all, document what the hell you're doing! Be detailed to the point of insanity if you feel like someone won't be able to exactly mirror your actions leading up to an issue.

  44. I'd like feedback on "R a G e"... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone tried it? Just curious - HUGE IdSoftware "fan" for ages here (e.g. -> Doom I/II/III, Quake I/II/III/IV, All Wofensteins, etc.-et al)...

    * It just released a day ago is why I ask... comparisons to Doom III &/or Quake IV gameplay & graphics are especially asked for IF you've tried it already. TIA!

    APK

    P.S.=> I hear they made some improvements in display (also heard tell that Mr. John Carmack now favors DirectX over OpenGL too over time this past year or two, too), using "MegaTextures" from one review I read, but funniest part of that, is there was an "ULTRA QUALITY" option you could manually "tweak-in" by editing config files in Doom III &/or Quake IV that allowed using megatextures already/oddly, in Config.cfg (seta r_skipMegaTexture "0") OR AutoExec.cfg (optional, set r_skipMegaTexture "0"), you could set for that, of -> set/seta r_skipMegaTextures ...

    ... apk

  45. The Road Not Taken by Jellodyne · · Score: 2

    Swing by Tosche Station and pick up some power converters.

  46. why bother? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've argued this with friends in the past and I'll do so again here. star wars knights of the old republic 1 and 2 were fun. Part of that fun is being a Jedi with powers.

    How is playing a game where almost everyone is going to be jedis with powers be fun? mmo's grinds aren'tworth any social rewards they may bring as far as I'm concerned.

    1. Re:why bother? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PvE videos of SW:TOR left me thinking that the game would be insufferably boring. Worse than WoW.

      PvP changed my mind. It's one of those rare MMOs which requires actual player skill.

  47. It's an experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since it's a Bioware game just pick one of the classes that most interests you and go experience the story since that is what they say sets SW:TOR apart from all the other MMO's out there.

  48. You dare question my authority? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now YOUR pass has been revoked! And if you haven't pre-ordered, we just GAVE you the game and took it away. Harumph!

  49. What To Do In SW:TOR For Just 3 Days: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Griefing!

  50. The invitation is to test the game, so test it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The invitation you got was to test the game. So just play it.

    If I were you I would pick a race and a class (one not like the one you would like to play) and start playing it. If you come across any any bugs, report them. In the course of those actions you are getting a sneak peek of the game, just seep it in and keep it to yourself. =)

    It's no big science.

  51. Well, I Reckon by Greyfox · · Score: 1

    You should run around and shoot first. A LOT.

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    I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?

  52. Ask Slashdot Fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    My understanding was that Ask Slashdot was supposed to be something that people could read and learn from, and apply to their own lives... I don't really see how a very, very limited Beta Test applies to anything important, and certainly not important enough to be the Ask Slashdot topic??

    1. Re:Ask Slashdot Fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because someone wants to be a dick and tell the world they got into a 3-day beta test for SW:TOR.

      Who cares, I've been testing it for a month now.

      What a jerk.

  53. Re:No - is he really a beta tester? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or maybe the poster isn't a beta tester at all, but just want real testers to spill the guts whats coming.

  54. Why Ask Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most of the nerds on this site are the ones that are too good for games and always make fun of MMO players.

  55. adult dyslexia test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  56. Beta Weekends are stress tests by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The beta weekends are for stress testing and simulating the actual launch. Get in the game and play it. That is all you need to do for the beta weekend. If you were in the regular beta then you would need to check the forums to see what they want you to focus on.

  57. Stormtrooper! by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    First select a Stormtrooper to play. Now run around aimlessly shooting inaccurately at things. Also despite wearing fearsome looking armor, simply die if anything even touches you, and yes that includes small rocks.

    Next select a Bothen, and go spy on something. Be sure to die in a very sad way, but somehow get the information to the rebels.

    Finally select a Wookie, find someone who wants to play freaky monster chess. Lose. Justifiably pull opponents arms off.

    If for some reason you can't select all sorts of crazy SW races, quit immediately as that would be stupid.

  58. SW:TOR by tycoex · · Score: 1

    You could just download WoW and skip the 3-day limit. SW:TOR is just WoW with a different skin anyways. It's not like they're doing anything original.

    1. Re:SW:TOR by gknoy · · Score: 1

      From what I've read, they've been working on a lot of things "original". Not in terms of base mechanics, but in terms of how comparatively deep your character's personal storyline is. They had (last I heard, which was a while ago) plans for campaigns which were effectively custom tailored to your character (class, etc).

      Some things are similar across MMOs. Kill boars, collect nerf herder scruffs, etc. Do dungeons/missions/raids/battlegrounds/whatever for $REWARD (xp, gold, credits, honor points). The difference is in how they execute a coherent world vision. At the superficial level, EVE and WOW are very similar, but anyone who's played them can tell you that the two are radically different. I expect the same for SW:TOR. Some things will be the same, because it's an MMO, and therefore wants to reward subscribers with persistent and steadily increasing shinies. The things most of us nerds are excited about is that it's about being a jedi or a bounty hunter, rather than a paladin or a warlock or space pod pirate.

  59. Obviously by locutus_borg · · Score: 0

    Do all the things.

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  60. Read a book by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

    n/c

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    Vote monkeys into Congress. They are cheaper and more trustworthy.
  61. You're doing it wrong (commenters) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I interpret the poster's question as wanting to know what he should check out in a MMO in a generic sense given his time constraint.

    A reasonable answer might be something like:
    - If you don't have too much time, focus on exploring as many areas as possible, even if you're low level and just run through them. OR
    - Pick one area and really master it, fight everything inside and get a feel for the game mechanics to see if you like them.

    It seems like most commenters interpret the post instead as: tell me about what's good in the SW:TOR, so I can go check them out!!

    Which prompts super-insightful answers such as:
    - Man, STFU, you can't talk about that because of the NDA!!!

    Perhaps we should all focus on the first interpretation?

  62. This is easy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Play WoW, imaging the graphics, mobs, etc, were Star Wars themed.

    There you have SW:TOR in a nutshell

    And yes, I'm a beta tester (with the full beta test account, not the little 3 day ones).

  63. 10gb? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Im in the full beta, and unless they are giving you a stripped down client to only test certain things or areas..prepare to download more like 27gb.

  64. Jellodyne FTW! by Radical+Moderate · · Score: 1

    Made me lol

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    Never let a lack of data get in the way of a good rant.
  65. NDA...! by mlauzon · · Score: 1

    OP, you're asking people who may have Beta tested the game to break the NDA they agreed to, that's a no no. I was in a testing weekend in mid-August -- I am also set to test this weekend as well -- but am I going to tell you a thing, nope!

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  67. youtube? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    still under NDA? someone should tell youtube and all the people posting gameplay vids there...