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Steve Jobs' Missing License Plate
An anonymous reader writes "One of the famous stories about Steve Jobs is that he used to drive around in a Mercedez Benz sports car with no license plates, and that he would sometimes park in Handicapped spots on Apple's Cupertino campus. Jon Callas, who used to work on OS security at Apple, explains how Jobs was able to do this legally."
And with a great deal of money.
There goes his shot at sainthood.
He's okay with exploiting legal loopholes but when people want to jailbreak their phones, it's all of the sudden "let's get litigious and sue anyone that does this!"
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You know this economic system is broken when 40M people cannot see a doctor when they need to, and guy celebrated as next prophet is changing AMG Mercedes every 6 months, so he can avoid having a damn license plate.
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I find it a bit hard to believe that there wasn't a reserved parking space for the chairman right next to the doors. Or are you telling me that he would deliberately not park in a reserved space just so that he could clog up the handicap spaces? That would staggering.
The guy undeniably left his mark on the industry, and general consensus is that personally he was an ass. Nothing else new to see here, please move along.
But handicapped people don't want to use those spots, so it's fine that Steve does!
According to the article, people did key his car for that
Park different!
He had cancer for 20 years?
Handicapped tickets can end up with jail time for people who doing all the time and I bet there are hard ass judges who will give some like the jobs the MAX time in jail.
How long was he dying of cancer? The article states that he'd been doing this since at least the early 80s.
Steve Jobs was many things. A visionary, a leader, a celebrity, and a first class asshole among them.
That 767 it just for parties. It's completely different.
It means the previous poster was a douche of the sort who thinks 'consensus of opinion' is English. In this case, the intended word probably was "flout."
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Uh, I'm pretty sure he didn't have terminal cancer for the last 20 years.
The RDF alters the flow of time.
If you RTFA you'd know that he's done it since the early 80s.
Yah... like the sole comment on that page said... 'there's a reason they're always empty, even handicapped people don't want to park there, they just want to get treated the same as everyone else!' /sarcasm
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I suspect the AC confused "flaunt" with "flout". Not too surprising, as it's a rarely used word these days.
I don't care what loopholes he's able to use, doing that is still a douche move.
(Typed from my Apple Wireless Keyboard into a Safari textbox running on Mac OS X Lion on my 27" iMac. I love the products, but the more I learn about Jobs the more disgusted I become at him.)
The man was fracking prick.
He wasn't dying of cancer in 2001.
Then get a handicapped license plate... oh, wait... then he'd have a license plate, and that is so uncool.
So, err, how would they give him time in jail for parking on a handicapped spot... on restricted private property?
I can paint a pair of lines in my driveway and a big handicapped symbol between them, and park there all I want to. It would make me appear to be a dick for doing it (then again, some neighbors might get a laugh out of it), but it's perfectly legal for me to do that. Same with any other private property that isn't an obvious publicly-'open' store or retail outlet.
It would depend on California laws, but I'm certain there are going to be some pretty obvious exceptions for what kind of private property you can enforce the rules on.
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The campus has multiple buildings and my guess is that while he does have his own parking spot just outside his personal office, he occasionally parks just outside one of the neighboring buildings when he is meeting with people there.
Slashdot libertarians compulsively speak up constantly about their little pet ideology, so you're probably wrong on that.
Where are all the supposed Libertarians here on /. pointing out what a government intrusion it is to tell private companies what kind of parking spaces they should have, let alone jailing people for not complying with them?
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Seems to be following the standard course for famous people, they get puffed up to near god like levels and then we kick them into the gutter as everyone with a bone to pick gets their 15 minutes of fame.
While I like some of his products and his influence on design is without question I never would excuse half what he is rumored to have done. That being said, he's dead. Give it a few years and maybe we will get closer to the truth
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I haven't read the biography but I'm pretty sure Jobs was an asshole and I don't need a story like this to confirm it. He also did good things but parking illegally wasn't one of them. From what I know, he's always done it. I don't know what belief system others have but my opinion is that dying from 9 years of cancer at 56 is karma. Now don't misunderstand that I wish anyone dead but I believe you have to answer what you've done in the end.
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There comes other stories for not having a license plate. What I've read elsewhere: 0. 6-month new car loophole 1. Plate frequently stolen, police tolerated missing plate 2. 'I'm Steve "No-Need-For-Plate" Jobs' 3. It's just a game 4. Don't want to be followed ...
I was under the impression that shopping centers, movie theaters, etc. are required to provided a certain number of handicap parking spaces based on the sized of the lot, etc. Probably a requirement of ADA and state laws. Not sure how it applies to a strictly private campus, but given that normal workplaces have to comply with all sorts of ADA related requirements, I wouldn't be surprised if they also had to provide handicap spaces.
A lot of this story doesn't make sense. As others have pointed out, one would think he would have a reserved space (and maybe one in front of every building, if he wanted). Why not just park in the grass, if you really want to get close? Or get a Segway...
Also, I'm not sure how not having tags would help you not get a ticket. If anything, I would think you would be pulled over quite a bit for not having tags. Parking enforcement would probably cite you for not having tags. Even if you could get the tickets thrown out, that's a pretty big inconvenience. Most systems should be able to give you a ticket based on your VIN, too, which is visible through the windshield...
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I sure see a whole lot of morbidly obese people with handicapped plates of late. They don't get me as much as the people who are just abusing the system (the ones who have the hanger because someone in their family needs it or are using a relative's car) and are just as able bodied as I am.
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It's a quote from a Seinfeld episode.
A lot of cops (at least LAPD) drive their personal cars without plates. It's only a "fix-it" ticket ($50 and no record). Without plates you can drive like a total asshole and other drivers will not be able to report your plates.
What a BS comment. Many of the legitimate users won't be able to use regular spots because they need to increased width of the handicapped spots. Ever seen a wheelchair user get out of his car?
But these reckless abusers of handicapped parking spots are never short on explanations and justifications for their sad behavior.
Should "of"?
This is of course brilliant, but the law itself is totally broken. This law means that a lot of people can avoid having license plates, including criminals. But of course parking in a handicapped zone is the most douchebag thing to do. Steve Jobs was obviously a total jerk.
Most systems should be able to give you a ticket based on your VIN, too, which is visible through the windshield...
Well, assuming it isn't covered up. As far as I know there is no law against covering the VIN, only removing or obliterating it.
Another example: Ryanair (Europe's lowest cost and most profitable airline) boss O'Leary started his own taxi company, which provides services exclusively to himself, so that he can use the taxi lanes to zoom past traffic towards work.
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You don't go to jail for a trivial infraction, you might go to jail for being a habitual scofflaw, based on some anecdotes I've heard, that would require hundreds of tickets... the lack of license plate is a pretty effective legal block to accumulating hundreds of proven tickets.
Doesn't matter what you feel, the fact was he didn't have a permit to park in those spots and was thus in violation of law. Whether or not he could have had a permit (had he applied) doesn't matter. A double amputee couldn't park there without one.
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Actually, the prime parking spots are on the other side of the lot, enabling you to get a healthy walk before getting back in the car.
The regulations mandate the number of handicap parking spaces based based on the size of the lot, not on the usage one could reasonably expect. That is probably good for stores and places that have lots of random people visiting, but doesn't work so well for places with a relatively stable expected population set. For a normal company, the people who are going to want/need to park close are employees who broke their leg or are 8 months pregnant and those people don't get handicap stickers. It's a problem of one-size-fits-all regulations.
If the police don't have access to the property, then obviously they won't be writing tickets. A handicapped person who does have access to the lot might be able to sue Apple though because California allows private citizens to sue for ADA violations.
I believe ADA Title III has all the details.
BTW - your driveway scenario doesn't fit the parameters of Title III unless it's the driveway for a commercial facility.
Why should he have to use a license plate?
Have you seen the License plates in California? They have rounded corners and limited buttons.
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Have to be careful assuming everyone who looks normal, maybe even walks normally, and has a handicap hanger is a cheat. I have MS and I wear out pretty fast. Parking a mile away isn't good for me unless I want to be scraped up with a spatula, especially in summer. Some days I'm actually having trouble walking, others I look fine. My grandma has heart problems, when she was "healthy" relative to now, she could not go far either. Just remember, not everyone "looks handicapped".
Post signs that your parking lot stating it is "Private Property" and "Parking by Permission Only" or control the access via a gate or something, you are then (generally, varies by country and state) allowed to set parking however you see fit. Very many pay-parking-lots in my area do not have accessible spaces and are allowed to do this because they are not technically "public". (Yes, I actually asked city hall and that's what they said).
UNLESS you are also an employer in the US. In which case you must follow ADA guidelines and provide spaces based on the size of your lot and/or workforce size.
This is, of couse, all academic to argue about since once you are in a position to actually NEED those space (really, physically need them) you don't care how much other people are annoyed by them.
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While it's television, I might point to the lead character of House, MD, who drives a motorcycle with a handicapped sticker on it. Well, make that drove, I think the show's producers traded it in for a car to crash into Cuddy's dining room.
It's not just private companies required to have gimp spots. I own a condo in Falls Church Virginia, aka The People's Republic of Falls Church. A few years back our HOA was told that a repaving permit for our parking lot would not be granted unless we added a couple of handicapped spots. We had to take the 3 closest spots to the condos and make them into 2 handicapped spots. We lost our visitor spots and we had some seriously pissed off owners who wanted to take the city to court on 5th amendment grounds. BTW, the gimp spots are used maybe once a month.
I have to admit, I thought he was an asshole before I read that...
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In most states the bar to getting a handicapped plate is pretty low. You just have to get a doctor / PA / nurse / somebody in health care with initials behind their name to sign off that you are generically handicapped.
And morbidly obese people just might have a valid reason for a handicapped permit (arthritis, heart, lung problems etc).
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If he was actually parking in handicapped spots because he felt the rules just don't apply to him he was an iDouche.
As CEO he would have his own designated spot in the parking lot. If not he should have. Not to mention having enough money that he probably could have arrived by helicopter every day and parked on the rooftop helipad.
Some of those people that look "just fine" that have handcapped plates might be fine- they might have borrowed the car or been a caretaker.
Be carefull to label them all though.
The deaf probably look "just fine"- but are at greater risk of being struck and killed in a parking lot due to being deaf- and thus, I believe are allowed to park there.
You never know what condition someone might have- so be carefull of judging people you don't know the condition of.
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It has happened, especially because without the tag someone "not in the know" wouldn't realize it was The Boss' car.
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We all know everyone in Cupertino down to the dog catcher was terrified of Steve Jobs getting pissed off and moving his giant filthy lucre machine. He could have shot a nun in the face inside Cupertino City Hall and there would have been no witnesses.
People who get busted for parking in handicapped stalls should be forced to use a wheelchair for a week instead of a ticket. It's inconsiderate, lazy and just plain douchebaggery. Don't care who you are.
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from the TFA (OMG, I read it!) it sounds like he was doing this long before he had cancer.
Steve Jobs was an ass. I know people like him that don't think they should have to obey the rules they don't like, but don't have the money to get away with most of it. Steve Jobs did and believed he knew better than anyone else, so he did what he wanted when he wanted regardless of the impact it had on others.
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He did steal a liver, which kind of offsets the dying thing IMO, and it appears that he did this before he got cancer.
Also, Apple is built on handouts from the state, including copyright, patents, and a lot of government contracts. It's illogical to apply free market logic to a welfare queen like Jobs.
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Makes no sense to me why people worship this guy. No one who ever worked with or for him really liked him. He treated people like shit. Thought the rules that we all have to follow don't apply to him. Thought he could cure cancer with herbs and diet. Yea... he was a good businessman, I will give him that. Every apple product I have ever bought has broken within a year or two, honestly i think the zune is a better product that the ipod. Speaking of Zune. Poor freaking Bill Gates. This guy is a brilliant programmer (which Steve Jobs could never do) and a businessman. And if he dies no one is going to be crying outside of best buy and putting post it notes on windows. In addition Steve Jobs ignored and denied one of his own children for the first 10 years of her life, and also never gave a cent to any charities. Bill Gates is giving away basically his entire fortune to help the less fortunate. Gates has done more for the world that Apple ever will. Yea sucks that he died, we all will die, move on.
Actually, no, I've never seen that. I'm sure it happens sometimes, somewhere, but the only way I've seen handicapped spaces used is by people who get out and walk to the store with no apparent problem; or people who sit there and idle while another able-bodied person gets out and goes into the store. I see those semi-regularly. But the thing I usually see handicapped spaces used for is... nothing, like they're empty, about 98% of the time I see them.
I am fully in support of the concept of handicapped spaces, but our implementation is very, very bad. I suggest:
* the death penalty for doctors who give handicapped stickers to people who don't need them
* the death penalty for people who use handicapped stickers when they don't need them
* reducing handicapped spaces by 80%, dropping most parking lots down to one or at most two spaces
My favorite mandatory handicap spots were at a waterski park, I had been going there for a few years, then, one day, 10 of 16 first row parking spots were converted to 6 handicapped spots - at a waterski park. In the following year I never saw a single spot used.
One of the weird things about CA is that when you get a new car it can take a while to get a plate. I drove with no plate for months. I did have a little plastic bag with some paperwork in it on the windshield though. I think it may have been longer than 6 months actually. Somebody told me that was long, even for CA. I called the dealer, they did some looking, and it turns out the dealer had my plates for much of that time and forgot to tell me they were in. During that time, I even drove into Nevada. I guess they're used to seeing it. I never got pulled over.
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Ha! That would be awesome! I'd love to hear a lawyer try to explain why
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applies to situations governed by the process of law. That would be hilarious!
I agree. Let's put an angry note on the AC's windshield. We will not stand for things like this.
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Go back. There's a few dozen comments on that page now, and most of them don't know it's a Seinfeld quote/joke.
did you RTFA, at all? I mean really, it was quite short. Maybe it would help shed light on some of these things for you.
According to legendary Apple programmer Andy Hertzfeld, Jobs even in the early 80â(TM)s was keen on discarding license plates and parking in Handicap spots.
I could be wrong, but I don't think he was dying of cancer 30 years ago.
But this brought up an interesting question. I know that California state law requires a certain number of handicapped spaces for all public parking lots and structures (public including lots intended for customers and employees), but I haven't been able to find anything about enforcing handicapped parking in private lots. Presumably, the city parking police wouldn't be cruising through a privately-owned campus like Apple's. Could an employee (or passerby) call to report such a violation? Or would the entity that owns the lot have to invite the police to enforce the handicapped parking space?
Absolutely an asshole move to do this, I'm just wondering, legally, how it works to enforce handicapped parking in private lots. Presumably one of those who keyed the car might have considered calling to report the parking violation, so I'm thinking that the municipality's parking police aren't allowed to do anything unless the owner of the property invites them to do so (which most shopping centers etc. would likely do).
My dad had a brain aneurysm and stroke, leaving his left side almost entirely paralyzed, and I'm his primary caretaker. You'll see my pickup (not a big work truck, but it could just as easily be - not everyone can afford multiple vehicles) parked in those handicapped spots. Frankly we need a few feet between cars to make room for his wheelchair even without a lift (I keep it in the bed of the truck and lift it in and out myself). We've been stuck in parking lots without handicap spaces, where I have to stop where people drive through, get him out of the truck, move him over to the side, pull into a tight parking space and then go fetch him, reversing the process to get back out. While doing that, he's also had one impatient person sideswipe him in his wheelchair because they just couldn't bear to wait the couple minutes that it takes to complete the process.
You may also see me parked in the handicapped space, get out of the truck all by myself and walk in somewhere. I never abuse the sticker, in that case, my dad is already inside and I parked there for when I bring him back out. Same thing if you see me walking to my truck by myself, chances are I was either dropping him off or I had to run back to my truck to get some paperwork we forgot or something.
My sister has brain problems too... looks perfectly normal but goes into seizures randomly throughout the day. She has a sticker because a parking lot is a dangerous place to fall and seize in (see my dad getting hit in the wheelchair). No, she can't drive. Don't be so quick to judge people when you don't know their circumstances. Yes, there are plenty of people that abuse them (and yes, they are very easy to get), but there are a lot of legitimate people that do need those spots even if you can't tell from watching them for the 30-60 seconds it takes for them to walk inside.
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The point of the handicapped parking spaces is for people who have physical trouble getting around. Actually getting into the building.
If you can drive a big ass motorcycle, you don't have that trouble.
If you're deaf, you don't have that trouble.
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Why? Because there are always too many or too few. Just like the fact that a stopped clock is right twice a day, you can almost never have just the right number of handicapped spots. So cities usually force businesses to err on the side of having too many, and that violates the Zero One Infinity rule and represents a waste of land and money.
A better design would be more dynamic and responsive to current occupancy rates. Rather than setting some arbitrary number of parking spaces close to the entrance as handicapped spaces, designate zero handicapped spaces, but make sure the spaces close to the entrance never completely fill up. Then there will always be a parking space near the entrance available for any handicapped person who needs to park there.
Perhaps Steve was simply annoyed at having to live with the poor design.
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That sort of misses the point, which is that libertarians want to eliminate laws which apply to equal treatment. And that's fair, so long as they are up-front and honest about it:
"Yes, we want to allow employers to refuse to hire black people. We think that racism is a smaller problem than government intrusion."
That is fair and honest.
I know that people can have problems that aren't apparent but I see a large portion of people with handicapped hangers/plates being fit people it does make me wonder.
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Because handicapped people don't enjoy the water? and I assume you always watch those spots, 24/7.
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He did steal a liver, which kind of offsets the dying thing IMO, and it appears that he did this before he got cancer.
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"How"? You mean, by issuing a warrant for his arrest, arresting him, and processing him the way all other criminals are processed? How else would they do it?
If you paint a pair of lines and a handicapped symbol in your driveway, that doesn't make it a handicapped spot under the law. If you open your house as a business for the public, then that does. The details are in the law.
Surely that is clear to you.
I'm under the impression that tampering with a VIN is in fact illegal, but I can't quote a law about it. Covering it up? I'm not sure about that.
If they borrowed the car that doesn't magically give them the privilege of using the handicapped spaces.. they're still assholes.
I'm just surprised that his holiness didn't make them open with his force of will.
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Steve Jobs net worth was 8.3 billion. Let's go ahead and spread that one out so everyone can afford healthcare. Hell, that puts an extra $24.41 in everyones pocket. That's enough for one year of tuition. Granted, your only talking about the 40 million uninsured they would each get a big ole fat check for $207.50.
Atleast the little prick died the way he deserved. Withering away a slow painful death. Good riddance Jobs.
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but my opinion is that dying from 9 years of cancer at 56 is karma.
- that is just so fucking stupid.
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Take the bus, then, if you're mad about being stuck in traffic.
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Yeah, his reaction was to park in another disabled bay but near where he was working so he could watch over it from his window. The guy had some balls.
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Per the CA DMV, it is illegal to use someone else's placard/plates. And, in fact, if you have a placard/plates, you are also issued an ID. If you're in a HDCP spot, a cop can ask you to show said ID, and ticket you if you don't have it.
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I'm pretty sure he was on the public organ network. He got a liver from a Tennessee donor, which he shouldn't have been eligible for as a California resident. However, he had the resources to get on multiple donor lists, and gamed the system.
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I can see, by your choice of words, that you are obviously a compassionate and well educated individual.
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Heh, I can imagine some vengeful god being like "Apparently he thinks he's disabled. I can make that happen."
(I can have a morbid sense of humor sometimes.)
Some of those people that look "just fine" that have handcapped plates might be fine- they might have borrowed the car or been a caretaker
In CA, it is illegal to use someone else's DP placard/plates to park in a DP spot.
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Story of the stolen liver, it looks like he did use the UNOS (and abuse).
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Bunch of people are ragging on the first poster because they didn't understand that he's quoting Seinfeld (and also angry that the poster quoted Richardson's character because of Richardson's public outburst, not realizing he might not have even written those lines). Granted, Seinfeld is 22 years old now, but the reactions are astonishingly dense. Ouch, I just aged myself.
In my experience a lot of the morbidly obese peoples' problems are caused by being morbidly obese. My mother and step father's family are all obese to morbidly obese and none of them do any physical activity, eat lots of crap (my mom and step dad eat out every night), and in general don't take care of themselves. They all have joint, heart, breathing problems, along with all being type II diabetics. My fathers side are all very fit, don't over eat, eat good food, and are active. The only health issue there is that one of my aunts got breast cancer and she is one of the biggest fitness/health nuts there are and runs marathons and does triathlons still at age 54, she use to race bicycles professionally when she was younger. I am by far the heaviest (255lbs) when compared to that side of the family, but then I do lots of weight lifting and am by far the strongest, even though I am much shorter (5 feet 9 inches). My doctor likes to joke each year when I go in for my physical by saying "Congratulations you are still severely obese" when I get weighed as I am a very fit person who happens to have a BMI well over 35 (30 is considered obese)
As further evidence I will offer up one of my friends from college he was a big fat guy in his mid 30's (grad student for life) who would be out of breath walking from his car to the dorm lobby. His whole family was obese and he would always blame it on genetics and was starting to have joint problems because of his weight. He never wanted to go to the gym or pool because he was worried about what people would think and thought that going would make his problems worse. The last year and a half while I was in college I managed to get him to go to the gym or pool each day with me. At first he struggled (the first 2 weeks are always brutal) and at first he didn't see a change and could barely do anything. After about 3-4 months he was still fat but was getting fit, he would actually be going at a good jogging clip on the elliptical machine for a good 45-60 minutes (instead of a walking pace for 5), was building strength when lifting and able to swim laps without stopping for 30 minutes. Now go forward several years and he is now fit and staying active, his health problems have gone away and is doing well.
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Hey now! I just got here. I was busy working - you know, and a job.
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Ditto.
Although in my case, it's a full-bore wheelchair van. My wife has ALS (Lou Gehrig's Disease).
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I know for a fact that it's not illegal to put a piece of notebook paper over the VIN.
I also know that parking enforcement who can't find a license number or a VIN will boot the car and wait for you to come to them.
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I didn't mean to say that was a valid excuse.
The ones borrowing the cars are still arsehats. Deaf people though (and others with perhaps non-immediately apparant handicaps) are still validly handicapped and getting to the store could present a hazard to them.
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I'm pretty sure he was on the public organ network. He got a liver from a Tennessee donor, which he shouldn't have been eligible for as a California resident. However, he had the resources to get on multiple donor lists, and gamed the system.
Where does it say that a person from California can't receive a Tennessee liver? Do you know that livers like other organs have a limited viability time so it is imperative that the organ is implanted as soon as possible if it was a cadaver liver. Do you know that there were other people that matched that liver that would have benefited from it? Normally the sicker patients are moved up the list and Jobs was sick. There are many that die waiting on organs every year because none become available to match them. Did he game the system? Maybe but there are no specific rules against multiple listing.
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I happen to have a handicap spot in front of my apartment building. There were no handicap people in this building and we all would park there. New neighbor moves in, no handicap sticker. Neighbor does not appear to be handicapped in any way, maybe overweight? About one month later they get a handicap sticker placard. No obvious disabilities. They live next door and I cannot figure out what might be their possible disability.
They complain about people parking in the handicap spot and force the complex to add a second handicap spot for their one placard (to insure they always have a handicap spot). People finally stop parking in handicap spot (major offendor moved) and now there are two handicap spots on a building with not enough parking. Only one is ever used.
I tried finding a way to verify they are the owners of the placard, one worked in a nursing home and was fired, but that appears to be impossible.
extra spots sign mysteriously disappears and wife talks me out of mysterious cinder-block through their car window, although they did get a window broken and laptop stolen afew months later (karma?)
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Man.
How frickin' cool would it be to know you were one of the people who keyed Steve Jobs' 500 SL?
I'd take a picture of it and use it as my logo.
I just googled the thing with deaf people and it looks like it varies state by state.
In my state (which I happen to agree with on this) deaf people can park in handicapped spots- as they should for increased safety
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
who gives out Handicap tickets in a private businesses parking lot?
""Yes, we want to allow employers to refuse to hire black people. We think that racism is a smaller problem than government intrusion.""
Do we really need anti-discrimination laws in the US today? How would a US business do if it got out that they wouldn't serve black people?
Meanwhile, landlords now have to rent to people with kids or be sued, and police departments can't fire fat cops. Discrimination, 2011 ed., means something a lot different than it did in 1954.
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How do you know they are fit? Do you personally know them, or are you just assuming because they 'look' normal? Do we know that most handicap people do in fact look the part?
I totally disagree that IP protection, as spelled out in Article I of the Constitution, qualifies as welfare, or that a competitive governemtn contract for products or services does either. Welfare is when the government sends you a check for doing nothing.
Just because you don't like something doesn't make it welfare.
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If I saw a high end Mercedes with no licence plate parked in a handicapped parking spot I would have assumed the owner was a pretentious douche bag and keyed the vehicle.
... but in this case the owner is driving the car for less than 6 months, so on balance, he probably won't even have to drive a "keyed" car for much more than a few weeks. He probably didn't even need to get the car cleaned he changed it so often!*
*this should not be taken as an indicator of how often I clean my car. although it probably could be.
Walter Isaacson has been on many TV shows from 60 Minutes to the Daily Show to promote the autobiography. I think it is pretty much first hand when the author of a book describes the content of the book.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
[sarcasm]Yes the act of humans against other humans is exactly the same thing as getting a disease which is not caused by man but may be explained by deities and/or fate.[/sarcasm]
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
Same, I'm a caretaker for a person with muscular dystropy, and since i drive his car and pick him up/drop him off a lot, I park in the handicapped spot those times. When I ocasionally do errants without him, i just use normal parking spots.
It's as bad as those morons that use the handicapped toilet "because it was free".
Make a man a fire and he will be warm for a day, set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life
"The positions are consistent if you're interested in increasing the liberty of individuals."
Whose liberty? Certainly not the Apple or Microsoft stockholder when you pass your little regulations. Such liberty comes at others' expense, a zero sum game.
Don't speak for libertarians if you aren't one.
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"Corporations and people are different."
People, like myself, own corporations. It's about economic liberty and Libertarians are quote clear on this. You might have your statist justifications for your selective big government solutions, and good for you. But they are decidedly not about liberty. They are about statist nannyism infringing on the economic interests of others (e.g., Apple stockholders) versus you or your favored group.
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Actually you can't really judge by how they look. I use those spots all the time when I drive my mom and at first glance it would look like she is just fine, but if anyone followed her they would notice she goes straight to the carts which she then uses almost like a walker. she had a bad flu two years ago that ended up causing blood clots that killed portions of her lung so she needs the extra assistance of the cart and if she had to walk any real distance to get TO the cart she'd probably face plant. also long walks put too much strain on her and she'll be so winded you'd think she had been running a race, not walking through a parking lot. Now if there isn't a handicapped spot I'll let her out right in front of the door and then go find a parking spot and meet her inside, large lots are just too much for her.
So don't judge a book by its cover friend, there are plenty of diseases like heart and lung that don't make you look crippled on the outside but can cause serious enough problems that those parking spots are required for safety reasons.
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
UPS should be required to hire quadraplegic delivery people.
Modeling agencies should be required to hire short, ugly women and men.
Health food stores should be required to hire obese people (actually, there's been a case about that one).
The Black Family Channel should have been required to have white and oriental people in management.
Where were all the white Black Entertainment Channel VJs? They're obviously refusing to hire white people.
When did I say anything about "abusing taxpayer funded courts"? My point is handicap spaces on private property are an annoyance and an intrusion.
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Yes, that's almost a certainty. The number of patients needing organs pretty much always outweighs the number of organs available.
The urgency for the organ and the viability of the patient are two factors that go into the list. He did have a pretty urgent need, but he also had low viability, so the organ was wasted on him. They also tend to look down on behavior that results in the need for an organ, like for example alcoholics. Jobs' need for a liver transplant can be largely attributed to his choice to use 'alternative' treatments instead of surgery. it's probably not looked down on as much as drinking or drug abuse, but I doubt it's favored.
Yes, "no specific rules against" and "gaming the system" tend to go together. Practically speaking, the multiple listings isn't an issue outside of millionaires since it's impractical for anyone else to get multiple listings. His specific gaming of the system resulting in him getting a liver at the expense of someone else.
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The article states that they believed he thought the symbol meant "chariman" so he parked there :)
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
I'm guessing they would focus more on the next clause:
"; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
But what do I know, I'm just a simple unfrozen caveman lawyer.
If you don't know where you are going, you will wind up somewhere else.
Say I dropped my dad off at physical therapy... I'll pull into a handicapped spot, take him out of the truck, and wheel him into the building. He's in there for an hour, so maybe I go run a few errands and then come back to pick him up, again parking in a handicap space when I get back. In both incidents, I used the handicap space for unloading or loading a handicapped patient during that parking time - something that definitely isn't abuse. I almost never drop him curbside since he needs me to get wherever anyway (he's too dangerous with left-field neglect (doesn't see the left side of his field of vision) for a powered chair in public, though he has a scooter for around out yard). My complaint was having to park in the part of the parking lot you drive through to transfer him because the non-handicap spaces are too narrow for the wheelchair then having to leave him while I finish parking in a proper space.
One thing that DOES really irk the hell out of me... is when people park in a handicapped space an the handicapped person stays in the car while an able-bodied person runs into a store or whatever. THAT is abusing the sticker unless the disabled person is going to come into the store themselves at some point (maybe they were finishing eating because they have to be careful how they swallow, maybe they had to deal with a colostomy/incontinence issue or something, maybe they need to adjust their brace(s), etc).
I'm also not sure where all these open handicapped spots are that people complain about. It can often be difficult to find spots in the place where you need them the most - namely hospitals (40 or so total in a 6 floor parking garage at our main local hospital) and small doctors offices (3 at his primary care doctor, 2 at his podiatrist, etc). Even the Walmarts, malls, home improvement stores, etc here are often full. Then again, according to the census, 38% of the regional population is considered "disabled," which I just find to be insane (census currently provides an (X) but last time I checked and the data was available, it was 38 or 39, which I only remember because it floored me then).
Don't leave your mind so open that your brain falls out. Don't close it so much that you cut off the blood.
It'd be funny if a bunch those occupy wallstreet protesters decided to occupy the handicap parking at apple.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification
How does that make bus lanes not a stupid idea?
You might as well just block off another lane in the highway and then say "if you don't like it take the subway." Never mind that the closest mass transit stop is a mile from where you're going, we want to increase mass transit usage by artificially promoting highly inefficient use of public resources.
Ethically challenged people like you feel that you should have the liberty to poison people whenever it suits your pocket book since you can take the profits for yourself and have the company and therefore society take the loss. Fortunately, the grownups are in charged and not a bunch of self important children who think the entire universe revolves around them.
Which lawsuits has Apple filed on people who jailbreak their phones?
In fact wasn't it declared that jailbreaking was legal under US law?
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you got a conjunction wrong, it was a rectangle *that* rounded corners.
Non impediti ratione cogitationus.
you don't speak for the grownups and ethical people in the world since you obviously aren't one.
No it is not as bad as using the handicapped toilet because it is free. I am under no legal obligation to not use the handicapped toilet.
Speaking of handicapped toilets, I can't believe how UN-accessible many of them are for someone in a wheelchair, despite them being labeled as such. There are at least 3 places where we frequent (one being a doctor's office, another a phlebotomy lab and the third a restaurant) where I have to stand him up and walk him into the stall because there's just no room for a chair at all. The restaurant's handicap stall door is so narrow, we can barely get through it walking, much less even attempting to get a chair in there.
I guess I'm glad he's never had to fly...
Surprisingly enough, the absolute best public handicapped bathroom I've ever seen, is a bathroom at Hills Creek State Park (a campground in Pennsylvania). It was probably 30x15 feet, was completely open with a toilet, sink, soap, etc easily accessible and a bench shower in the corner as well, all meant for a single person. The floor was slightly sloped to drain any possible water and was textured enough to not be slippery even in bare feet for someone with a bad leg. We had full access to do everything we needed to take care of him without trying to be contortionists. That was about the last place I expected to find accommodations like that, even hospitals aren't that good.
Don't leave your mind so open that your brain falls out. Don't close it so much that you cut off the blood.
I doubt Steve Jobs would wish what you just said on his worst enemy. You are a scumbag, way worse than Steve Jobs. And you didn't change the world.
And keep fighting those fat, Asperger's, living in your mom's basement stereotypes!
Do you have reading comprehension issues or are you the parent poster pretending to be someone else in order to avoid having to defend their indefensible attitude? Those are your only possible choices.
I don't know what belief system others have
Largely Christian, Islam, Hindu, or a variety of non-religious beliefs, if the stats are, themselves, to be believed.
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That's just seriously a dick move to do that.
People who park in handicapped spaces are always handicapped.
If they're not physically handicapped, they must be mentally handicapped.
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If more people were to take the bus, more frequent stops would be installed and more busses would run on more routes.
The people in their cars just haven't realized yet that public transport only gets better and better when more and more people use it.
Public transport is not a "highly inefficient use of public resources". By getting more people to use public transport, you cut down on pollution, reduce congestion and drastically reduce the needed number of parking spaces. That space can be put to other, better uses.
Watch this: http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/proterra-ecoliner-electric-bus/1361158/
It's the future of local transportation. Western civilization has had an unhealthy obsession with the automobile since the model T Ford. There needs to be a balance, and currently it's skewed way too far towards personal transportation.
Eat the rich.
It was about being able to drive without a plate.
Leasing a new high-end Mercedes every six months cost him far more than the taxes ever would have, and maybe even more on taxes. I don't know how leases are taxed in CA, but given CA's love for taxes I'd bet they tax new leases in some way.
Public transport is not a "highly inefficient use of public resources".
Bus lanes are a highly inefficient use of public resources. The highway is a public resource, you block off one of the lanes in a high contention area for something that doesn't require anything close to its own lane, that's highly inefficient.
If more people were to take the bus, more frequent stops would be installed and more busses would run on more routes.
The people in their cars just haven't realized yet that public transport only gets better and better when more and more people use it.
That isn't it at all. The problem is that I can't get on the bus, today, and have it bring me to where I'm going. The fact that if 10,000 other people took the bus then the bus would go where I want to go is completely irrelevant to my present inability to use it to get where I'm going.
Your argument is apparently that we should promote use of mass transit. But your method is defective. You ought not to do it by artificially crippling its competitors, you ought to do it by making mass transit more attractive than it is. A bus lane doesn't get people to take the bus if the bus doesn't go where they want to go, all it does is piss people off and create more pollution because it takes that much longer for the same number of cars to get where they're going and shut off their engines.
Even if it did cause more people to take the bus, it's still the wrong way to do it. The government spends however many million dollars paving and maintaining the bus lane that sees minimal usage. They could instead have used the same money to subsidize mass transit fares or increase the number of routes, which would increase the number of people who actually want to take mass transit rather than torturing them into it, and that would allow congestion-free car traffic with the smaller number of highway lanes for those that mass transit still doesn't adequately serve.
Rather than key someone I wedged a large nail under each tire so that when the asshole backed out of the spot the nail would be driven into the tire. Sure it would be a slow leak, but he would have FOUR of them.
Many people (including me) would rather sit in traffic in a car than be on a bus for obvious reasons.
Contrary to popular belief, blonde is not a handicap. Thank you for playing.
Understanding the scope of the problem is the first step on the path to true panic.
I'm pretty sure he was on the public organ network. He got a liver from a Tennessee donor, which he shouldn't have been eligible for as a California resident. However, he had the resources to get on multiple donor lists, and gamed the system.
That's bullshit on so many accounts. http://www.transplantliving.org/beforethetransplant/qa.aspx
Fandroids hate facts.
60 minutes or what you Americans call '60 minutes' (with a shit ton of adverts and what the author describes through snippets [I'm from UK, watched it online] with the interviewer) doesn't compare to the 700 page book. Trust me I know, I've done both. What a weak response by you to take.
TRANSLATION (of your reply): I'm going to give a bullshit answer to a previously flawed statement.
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Oh, well this wasn't private property, it was common property owned by a publicly regulated organization of homeowners. That's why you don't have to put a handicap spot in your driveway in front of your house, but an organization of homeowners large enough to be publicly regulated and have a communal parking lot does. So, yeah, the property wasn't private. It also wasn't "taken" in a legal sense, I think. Unlike you, I am not a lawyer at all.
So, in other words, "saint" Steve Jobs wasn't the hero of the isheep that everyone thinks? He was a douchebag, and it's funny that the idiots hanging on where the Occupy xxxx, who are against "the rich" and banks, have devices made popular by one of the richest people in the USA. To say these idiots are hypocrites is an understatement.
Care to be more specific? I'm sure if I read that entire page, I'd find something about how there isn't a hard rule about regional listings, perhaps the part about how you can be listed at multiple hospitals. However, practical logistics and procedure means that people of ordinary means are not going to get on the list in more than one state.
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so if I worked at Apple I'd've built an extra parking space with 'RESERVED FOR CEO' marked on it in big white letters.
If Jobs refused to use it and kept parking in the handicap spot, I'd call a meeting for all handicapped people on staff and tell 'em they can park in the CEO spot...
man. I've only ever seen one episode of Seinfeld, but the first thing I thought when I saw that comment was "oh, I bet that's a Seinfeld quote". Then I saw how angry the replies to it were, and figured it couldn't possibly be a quote or they'd have realized.
Once again I fail to correctly estimate the idiocy of internet commenters!
Goes to show that when you're a truly great hacker, you can hack anything.
;D
The previous article is about social engineering BTW.
I thought this was going to make me like Steve less, but it actually had the reverse effect. Funny how brilliant people are often like that; you begin disliking them, but later learn to view them in a completely different light.
The eternal struggle of good vs. evil begins within one's self.
Because handicapped people don't enjoy the water? and I assume you always watch those spots, 24/7.
For about a year in grad school, I'd be there two, sometimes three days a week, from 9am until late in the afternoon... and, no, there were no handicapped access points to the water, no wading beach at that time, just stairs out of the lake for waterskiiers to climb out on after they wipe out. Although I know paraplegics who waterski, I never saw one at this particular park where skiiers are snap started off the dock by a tow cable system.
If the disabled person has no intention of leaving the vehicle, they shouldn't park in the space since the entire purpose is to facilitate the disabled person going to/from their vehicle and the building. Their able bodied passengers can walk from a regular parking space. When I have my dad with me and he's not going to be getting out of the vehicle, I park on the far side of the parking lot, where I park when I don't have him with me - I could use the walk and my vehicle is less likely to get damaged.
Don't leave your mind so open that your brain falls out. Don't close it so much that you cut off the blood.
The bar code where the license plate would have been is Jobs's VIN.
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They're not obvious to me, personally I couldn't care less if I was in my car or on a bus while on my way to work.
Is it because you don't want to be near THE POOR PEOPLE?
Eat the rich.
Steve Jobs net worth was 8.3 billion. Let's go ahead and spread that one out so everyone can afford healthcare. Hell, that puts an extra $24.41 in everyones pocket. That's enough for one year of tuition. Granted, your only talking about the 40 million uninsured they would each get a big ole fat check for $207.50.
Congrats on being able to use a pocket calculator and everything, but the OP didn't say "and therefore we should confiscate all of one particular individual's wealth to share out amongst the needy, as that will cure all our problems."
The point is that there are quite a lot of rich fucks paying obscenely small amounts of tax compared with their wealth. If you're a right winger you probably think that's fine, but a lot of us don't.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
According to the article, Jobs was leasing a different Mercedes every six months, for years on end.
Any speculation regarding what fanboys would pay for those cars now?
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Your complaint: You don't have the information first hand because you didn't read the book so you don't know if it's true.
Me: I have the information first hand because the author discussed it on a podcast (no ads). I take it the author wouldn't lie about his own content.
Your new complaint: Let me change my complaint that you didn't read the entire book and complain that you're American instead.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
How the FUCK is that a 'TROLL' and the original poster NOT?
What about all the people who died before age of 56, did they all deserve it because of "BAD KARMA"? You fucking retards. Every fucking child dying before even the age of 2 deserves it due to KARMA?
Every one killed by anybody deserves it due to KARMA?
FUCK YOU, RETARDS.
You can't handle the truth.
All those fucking kids, dying from years of cancer must have been pretty fucking horrible people. All those rape victims, who were killed after the rape, or committed suicide, etc., they just were terrible human beings. Karma after all, right?
Waste of skin.
You can't handle the truth.
Steve Jobs net worth was 8.3 billion. Let's go ahead and spread that one out so everyone can afford healthcare. Hell, that puts an extra $24.41 in everyones pocket. That's enough for one year of tuition. Granted, your only talking about the 40 million uninsured they would each get a big ole fat check for $207.50.
That $207.50 would probably count for quite a lot to many of those 40 million uninsured folks - it would at least mean an annual checkup that they're probably not getting now. (Not that I'm one of those eat-the-rich folks, but let's remember that even a little money means a lot to someone who has nothing.)
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I choose to be ignorant in the sense that searching through all of those irrelevant details to find the important one or two is not worth my time to me. I might have actually read the part you intended me to read, but didn't see it as changing anything. Multiple news sources, both mainstream and targeted, have suggested that there are ethical concerns with his liver transplant. What you posted seems to only touch on the hard rules of multiple listings, and doesn't discuss the economic realities.
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Are we talking about assholes or Mercedes-Benzes? Because the last thing that was mentioned in that post was assholes, although if you really have a Mercedes in the parking lot, more power to ya.
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No, you basically think a 30 minute TV show (or a podcast, which one I've watched many) compares to the depth and breadth of a 700 page book. This is nothing to do with him lying. I am also pointing out I watched the same show and can make the comparison. I'm keeping to the same complaint; you know the one you haven't even refuted yet, instead you're attacking I'm imaginary straw man.
I'm not complaining you're an American, I just think a 30 minute show shouldn't be called '60 minutes'. Maybe I should have kept that out of my reply.
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Your first quote:
TRANSLATION: I don't want to read first hand information so I'll just believe what I want to say is true.
I don't read that anywhere that you said anything about depth of the whole book or me not reading the whole book. It does say that I didn't get the information first hand. Yes you may have thought it, but I don't have telepathy so I can't address your imaginary complaint in your mind. You also assume that the original point of this aspect of Steve Jobs' personality can't be confirmed in one interview (or multiple interviews). Jobs was an asshole. Do I know the whole complexity of the man by not reading the whole book? No, but I didn't claim to know the whole man. I don't think however that anyone could have known him completely by reading the book. They may know more about him but not all of him.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
Steve Jobs knew his way around words and technicalities. A characteristic of a business man.
There was no reserved parking at apple. It was one of those "round table" things - first come first served, no one felt superior about their parking place. Very frustrating since there wasn't visitor parking either. You're really left to the wolves if you show up at 11 :)
Maybe he thought of himself as handicapped? That would be funny if he did think of himself as a handicapped. But I think he went to use the handicap parking space because the no license plate won't be scrutinize. As I said, Jobs was a shrew. Business man through and through.
Every apple product I have ever bought has broken within a year or two, honestly i think the zune is a better product that the ipod.
I was following you until this point. As long as we're speaking anecdotall, I have a huge list of Apple products (iPod, iPhone2G, Macbook) that are 5+ years old, and with a little care, are just about as usable now (in the case of the macbook it's even better with the SSD retrofit) as they were when I first got them. The only Apple product that's failed me is a 2004 iPod color.
Apple products are historically longer-lived (in terms of functionality and usability) than competitors' products. I am running OSX Lion on my 5 year-old macbook. Last week installed new iOS apps on my 2G iPhone (handed down to the tyke).
You may have a valid complaint about Jobs but don't conflate that with Apple products.
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