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Does 'Supersizing' Supershrink Your Brain?
Rambo Tribble writes "As reported by the BBC, the journal Neurology is set to release the findings of a study in Oregon on diet and brain shrinkage in Alzheimer's victims. The upshot is: a diet rich in vitamins and omega-3 fatty acids is beneficial; trans fat and fast food are detrimental."
Sometimes I think the western medical profession never really lost that Augustinian "If it's pleasurable, it's sinful" mentality it seemed to pick up in late Roman era. If I drink, smoke, watch TV, or eat anything other than cardboard and distilled water--every organ in my body will implode and I'll be lucky to live to the age of 4. The last time I went to a doctor, she flew into a mad rage after I told her I had been to a Cinnabon in the mall. I left about the time she started turning over furniture, informing her nurse on the way out that I would henceforth be seeking all my medical care from the local faith healer. Anyway, I had no desire to take any more shit from her for not eating the ORGANIC cardboard.
As for the statistics, well, I have it on good authority that 99% of all studies find exactly what the author(s) wanted them to find all along.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
so if I start the day with a green smoothie (filled with raw veg and fresh fruits)... and then gorge myself on BBQ and fries for lunch.. I'm okay, right?
In the future, I would want to not be isolated from my friends in the Space Station.
In short, there is nothing that is not damaging in an excessive amount. A lot of anything will bring bad consequences. This includes anything we consider "good" such as vitamins and minerals and HDL.
Good thinking! If we all just eat junk food and do whatever we want, there can't be any negative consequences! I'm glad there are people like you to show the way.
Sometimes I think the western medical profession never really lost that Augustinian "If it's pleasurable, it's sinful" mentality it seemed to pick up in late Roman era. If I drink, smoke, watch TV, or eat anything other than cardboard and distilled water--every organ in my body will implode and I'll be lucky to live to the age of 4. The last time I went to a doctor, she flew into a mad rage after I told her I had been to a Cinnabon in the mall. I left about the time she started turning over furniture, informing her nurse on the way out that I would henceforth be seeking all my medical care from the local faith healer. Anyway, I had no desire to take any more shit from her for not eating the ORGANIC cardboard.
As for the statistics, well, I have it on good authority that 99% of all studies find exactly what the author(s) wanted them to find all along.
Translate: I want to eat a burger mommy, booooh!
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Shitty tasting expensive food is good for you. Who would have thought? Funny how there was that story yesterday about IBM's you get paid based on what you eat patent. Basically if you can't afford to eat good because we don't pay you very good we will pay you less so you buy even cheaper food and we have to pay you even less.
Hemp has the perfect ratio of Omega 3, 6, and 9 fatty acids, so always eat your marijuana.
The study found that high vitamin levels in the blood correlated with higher mental abilities, while higher levels of trans fats correlated with lower. The study says nothing about fruits, vegetables, or fast foods. There was also no evidence to conclude that this correlation is causative. They did not take people with high levels of trans fats and put them on a fruit-and-vegetable diet. If that were done, and their scores improved, they yes, they would have been justified in making such a recommendation. As things are, they made no effort to even determine where those vitamins and trans fats came from. If you ate hamburgers and too vitamin pills, you'd have high vitamin levels in your blood too. Another possibility is that people with lower mental abilities tend to eat more junk food with trans fats. That would create the same results in the study.
So, repeat after me: correlation does not imply causation. If you don't know this, you have no business being a scientist.
Sometimes I think the western medical profession never really lost that Augustinian "If it's pleasurable, it's sinful" mentality it seemed to pick up in late Roman era.
I don't understand this approach to science. It's the same as the creationists and global climate change deniers - if I don't like the result of the majority of the research, it must be because the researches have a nefarious agenda.
Why not separate facts from choice, and enjoy your transfat and fast food even if it has known negative health effects, an informed choice.
Artichoke heart and Chia grass blended with a little vodka makes a great enema on cold winter nights!
In short, there is nothing that is not damaging in an excessive amount. A lot of anything will bring bad consequences. This includes anything we consider "good" such as vitamins and minerals and HDL.
Except democracy. You can't have too much democracy. Nothing but rule of the people can be the right thing. Even if it would turn out that people are too stupid in aggregate and would technically benefit from a despot or anything less that direct and absolute democracy.
(I know you were talking about nutrition, but for some reason I felt compelled to come up with a silly counter argument.)
Some of my favourite people are from th US; Vonnegut, Chomsky, Bill Hicks.
One Cinnabon and you're posting anti-science rants on slashdot. QED.
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So they found that certain vitamins are beneficial to memory, but as none of their test subjects had Alzheimers there is no basis for any claim regarding the disease. Although I am curious what's in the actual paper (seriously, couldn't we wait a few days posting this until the actual paper is out?).
Maybe brain damage causes big mac attacks.
There is nothing pleasurable about trans fats. They are cheap and stable fats that make processing and cooking food *cheaper* not better. They are margarine and crisco, both of which are nasty and not nearly as good as their natural alternatives, butter and lard.
Sometimes I wonder if it wouldn't be easier to just tell people to model their behavior after other great apes.
Do gorillas spend all day on a couch? Do chimps eat hamburger? Do orangoutangs worry about their weight?
If we have a better picture of how pre-civilized humans lived, we would probably have a better idea of what's good for us.
Of course, there is a complication in that the stone age begins well before the advent of homo sapiens. So we actually have evolved since the time of basic civilization. But I imagine that some of our chemistry is a little slower than that. There are some things that seem pretty widespread among the animal kingdom. For example: how many obese wild animals do you see in the woods?
Depends. If you exercise, and vary which places you visit for a dining experience, it can be quite healthy.
If you eat the exact same thing every day from McDonalds, for a month, do not move from the couch, except to use the bathroom, then yes, it can be quite unhealthy.
I think everyone is aware that fast-foods tend to be somewhat lacking in micro-nutrients.
I am John Hurt.
There is nothing wrong with a burger. The trouble is in the fries and various pastries made with trans fats instead of what they are supposed to be made of.
All I ask for is some proof that a healthy lifestyle will let me outrun Death, and I will prescribe to it. To date, no one has met my challenge.
I'd give up smoking (and the chance at cancer), only to drop dead from a heart attack after running for several miles.
I am John Hurt.
If we all just eat junk food and do whatever we want, there can't be any negative consequences!
Yes, that was exactly the point of my comment. It's like how someone saying "It's okay to drive a car" is also *really* saying "It's okay to drive at 140 mph and disregard all other cars, FUCKIN' AY!!!!" Thank you for so eloquently clarifying what I really meant.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
I'm 60 and I recently had a brain scan (for fun--I'm an engineer, you understand). Anyway, the doctor called me in and said, "Congratulations, you have the brain of a 12 year old." That's right, no shrinkage at all. I asked if this meant I wouldn't get Alzheimer's, and he said, "There's no proven correlation."
Still, looking good for me!
And while I don't eat organic food, I don't live off of fast food either. But I do get regular exercise.
I don't think the study is statistically sound (the Brits have had problems with that in the past).
Maybe it's the poison in genetically modified corn syrup. Or maybe the poisonous water used in the processing of food that imported from Mexico.
It's been well established that trans fats are bad, but what I'm wondering about is the omega-3s. There's a lot of dispute over whether all omega-3s are healthy, or just EPA and DHA. That is, are ALA-rich foods like flax, hemp, nuts, etc providing a valuable nutrient, or just fat?
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N, the medical profession doesn't think that way. This is just a study.
What we don't see is people talking about moderation and limits. This society is all about extremes: binge or deprive oneself. Nothing about moderation. Nobody says, "Sure, it's alright to have a cheeseburger, fries and that orange cream shake (McD's are AWESOME) every once in a while; just not everyday.
It's the same with drinking alcohol. The only exception would be smoking (anything). Smoking is something that one should never do.
Maybe you should read about the Weimarer Republic.
That's why I usually skip the fries and soda when I eat at McDonalds.
Not only that... it's usually fun to watch their faces when you say you don't want fries. A lot of them look like they're debating whether to call security.
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As of May 2008, there has been and is no transfat in McDonald's fries. At any rate, if one were to exercise hard, there would be no harm whatsoever from a properly varied fast food diet (go heavy on the salads and fiber) or the american "barnyard diet"
Everyone has the right to be a retard!
If that's a revelation to you, then you're obviously new to /.
As for socialized medicine, I don't believe in it. I believe in faith healing, as I thought my original comment made clear.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
Some things, like trans fats, are just bad for you. Others, like sugar and fats, are fine in moderate amounts, but we have evolved to really like them, and find them really nice to eat, so naturally now that we as a species are able to get a lot, we tend to overdo it. This over consumption of course is bad for you (but it tastes good). I love soda and greasy burgers and fried everything, but the fact is, they tend to have a lot more sugar/fat than you should be getting. And not everything that tastes good is said to be bad; fruits taste good, and there's plenty of healthy vegetable based things you can make if you learn to cook them. Might want to get a less loony doctor too.
Also, there is no such thing as western medicine.
water is wet!
I've visited the USA and I can let you into the secret: Portion sizes.
Everything there is served in huge amounts compared to other countries.
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I read somewhere once that fries are where most fast food restaurants really make their money. I guess that makes sense. Potatoes are a lot cheaper and easier to raise than cattle. They don't have as much personality, though.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
I'm not any more, but I was a vegan for 3 years in my 20s. It's not all 'cardboard'. I made and ate really tasty food all the time, you just have to be prepared to educate yourself about what's available. If anything, due to said culinary education, I ended up eating TASTIER food than before I went vegan. My diet became much more varied and interesting.
Your comment is ludicrous exaggeration (some of that is deliberate comedy, I know) and based attacking a straw man.
There are plenty of place around me that serve "fast food" that is very healthy, not all fast food is a bacon double cheeseburger with 2500 calories (even before the fake powdered ice cream "shake" and oily fries are added).
Obviously it only took one to supershrink my brain.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
yes, huge portions plus little exercise leads to very poor health
Sure you can. If everyone has to vote on everything, no matter how trivial, the organisation will be paralysed into inaction cf. Life Of Brian.
I bet they make more on the soda...with fries a close second.
(hence all the upselling when you order - note that the burger stays the same size, only the fries and soda get bigger when you 'upgrade')
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there is no such thing as western medicine.
Oh great, now you've made Hippocrates cry.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
Sounds like fast food is going to make dumb people dumber. Great, just what we need.
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Fool, if you drink distilled water every organ in your body will implode and you'll be lucky to live to the age of 4!
P.S. Only ask for premium cardboard from fresh paper pulp, not the recycled crap that the government and big corporations want you to feed on!
Now seriously: Health risks from drinking demineralised water, F. Kozisec (World Health Organization, 2004) http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/dwq/nutdemineralized.pdf
They seem to forget the polution in fish like mercury, pcb etc.
often better to try and get your omega 3 from another source than directly from eating sea food.
Is that like the Weimar republic except more betterer?
It does if you're in the business of government, where prohibition rakes billions through your hands each year, putting you in the position to leverage that cash flow for personal gain.
In that case, why on earth would you give a damn about anything beneficial about marijuana OR hemp? (FYI, the US government doesn't recognize the difference, and for good reason. Money, money, and more money.)
By the same token, not getting enough of certain things can have bad consequences. It's a complicated balance and it's different for every person.
It is my personal theory that the correct diet for an individual is similar to whatever tribe they came from back before modern times when we had to eat whatever was available. Some ate a lot of meat, others mostly grains, some had only fruit, and still others had access to a variety of foods, etc. What is healthy for you depends on what type of tribe you are descended from. This is part of the reason why it's so hard to be healthy these days, it takes a lot of work to figure out what is correct for you from the vast array of choices.
The ratio of people to cake is too big
Except democracy. You can't have too much democracy.
Except maybe the case of two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner...
It's grease, it's good. Maybe not the best grease, but still good nonetheless.
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I think you didn't read that with the right mindset:
1. Eat unhealthy stuff all day long
2. Lose weight ( brain )
3. Profit
Yes, er, can I get extra lard on my sandwich? Great, thanks!
Beware of the Leopard.
You can't live on walnuts, but you can live on acorns. That doesn't mean that walnuts aren't providing anything useful but it is interesting. Atkins said that if you were on a ketogenic diet you should eat avocado and macadamia as those foods have oils that are particularly needed then. Coconuts are also quite healthy for you.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Huh? This seems to be promoting eating smoked salmon and a nicely dressed salad –what's not to love?!
I bet they make more on the soda...with fries a close second.
That depends on how you do the accounting. Soda companies own the fast food franchises. The soda is set up to actually cost something in a franchise model and to cost nothing in a chain model...
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Drop dead from running a few miles? Do you have a heart condition? Running a few miles won't kill you; it's just another excuse not to exercise. Really your risk of death in running a few miles comes from being run over by a car. Not everyone lives in a runner friendly part of town.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
Excuse me, but have we determined, to any degree of certainty whatsoever, that actual cattle are involved in the production of McDonald's hamburgers?
Beware of the Leopard.
Giving up smoking can add ten years of being old to your life.
Fries and soft drinks... they're insanely profitable even with the free refills and if they're self-serve, there is almost no labor component to them.
I've been out of the restaurant management business for about 5 years, but things couldn't have changed that much. It costs about 3 cents for the cup and about 10 cents on average to fill it (various size cups, not every refill is a full cup, etc). People get their initial fill, most people get one refill, few people get more than one. So, if we just assume everyone gets 2 refills, it costs 23 cents for your beverage, which they sell to you for anywhere from $1.50-$4 depending on the restaurant. That gets you a ~500% profit margin.
Fries also have a good margin, though there is a higher labor component, the cost of cooking them, keeping them frozen, lowered yield (waste, broken fries, etc). In fact, most fryer side orders are pretty profitable (a half dozen mozzarella sticks might sell for around $5, but you can buy a 4.5 pound case for around $11, which will yield about 10 orders).
The sandwiches aren't nearly as profitable, particularly the meat sandwiches, but the sandwiches are what get people in the door. A 1/3rd pound burger costs around 75 cents for the meat, 20 cents for the bun, 15 cents for the cheese, and up to another 25 cents if it is dressed. They need to be refrigerated, you lose yield (overcooked, fell apart, etc) and are relatively labor intensive (especially if you patty them yourself). For that $1.40 investment (not counting labor, yield, etc), you sell it for about $3.
Factor in that somewhere around a third of all of your revenue goes to labor and another 30-40% goes to food costs depending on your model. On top of that, you still have your overhead - mortgage/rent/property taxes, heating/cooling, gas/electric, etc. Profits are pretty thin in the fast food/diner/family restaurant market and without the profitability of the side orders, most of them can't stay in business for long (hell, most of these non-chain restaurants fail in the first year anyway). Upscale/fine dining is a whole different beast.
Don't leave your mind so open that your brain falls out. Don't close it so much that you cut off the blood.
I always get a funny look from the cashier when I order an Angus deluxe and a side salad - without fries or soda.
Once I was asked if I was "one of them healthy people". I simply told her I don't like crappy food.
Exactly. Pure, literally unbridled democracy is just a form of tyranny. If a hundred million voters passing direct judgement on every item of business in the government never unjustly oppress some minority, it would be not only pure luck, but a denial of human nature. A constitutional republic is one way of limiting the democratic power of The People to protect individual persons.
McDonald's fries have been trans-fat free for three years.
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Does fast food really make dumb people dumber, or is it just that naturally dumb people tend to make poor lifestyle choices and partake of unhealthy foods more readily? The same can probably be said of intelligent people and eating more nutrient and vitamin rich foods.
... Ya ya I know, Correlation != causation (Insert generic mod point attracting Slashdot meme here)
Oh, nonsense. If you go into McDonalds or Burger King or Wendy's, you will always find a 99 cent simple hamburger or cheeseburger on the menu. It's a pretty small portion representing a very limited number of calories. You can also get small helpings of french fries that are pretty parsimonious in amount, if not usually in price. Yeah, the super triple ultimo burger with collossal oveflowing fries is ridiculously huge, but that's not the only thing available.
We have mistaken quantity for quality. Problem is, once you eat a lot of food you become addicted to eating a lot of food, and a small amount of quality food just becomes an appetizer. It's about learning good habits while young, and the reasons for them, too (so that you have some incentive to maintain them.)
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
No, we haven't. From my sources at the Institute of Freaked-out Rumor and Hyperbolic Pseudoscience, not only does McDonald's use kangaroo meat, but they also clear cut 1,000 acres of rain forest every day to raise the cattle they don't use for their food.
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You are what you eat!
-- By all means let's be open-minded, but not so open-minded that our brains drop out.
"Everything there is served in huge amounts compared to other countries."
Never had an English breakfast, have we...
Not only that, but not smoking a single cigarette in your life is no guarantee at all that you won't get cancer at age 10.
Everything? And to what other countries are you comparing? I'll let you into a secret: you only went to crappy chain restaurants.
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No, it's like the weimaraner republic, with less dog.
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You mean like Congress today?
If we all just eat junk food and do whatever we want, there can't be any negative consequences!
Yes, that was exactly the point of my comment. It's like how someone saying "It's okay to drive a car" is also *really* saying "It's okay to drive at 140 mph and disregard all other cars, FUCKIN' AY!!!!" Thank you for so eloquently clarifying what I really meant.
through a playground?
I don't see the connection. Anyway it has been proven that research causes cancer in rats and people with Alzheimers develop cravings for fast food.
As someone who ends up eating more fast food that I would prefer, I agree with you to some extent. If you count calories and are generally active, you can eat fast food regularly. But you do have to watch out for the high sodium and high fat content in that food and that can make it very difficult to balance your meals on a daily basis. I also found that by cutting soft drinks down to "merely" three times a day, I lost ten pounds over a few weeks. So, the trans fats and salt is not the only culprit.
If your metabolism is not very high, you will find that the high calories in the fast food makes it impossible to keep your calorie count down while at the same time getting all of the nutrients that you need. That means that even if you eat only 1500 calories a day of fast food, that 1500 calories would come with a lot more fat and not enough fiber or other nutrients you need. You can sustain many vitamins and minerals with supplements, but other things can be difficult to manage that way.
In the end, fast food isn't exactly The Devil, but you can't make it the centerpiece of your eating habits or you will be in serious trouble.
I LOVE meat. Steak, hamburgers, brats, chicken wings - you name it.
My wife, on the other hand, has shifted to a pescetarian diet (like vegetarian + fish and dairy products). Which means *my* diet has shifted as well, in a much healthier direction.
Frankly - when I go a few days eating tuna and other healthy meals - I am happier and have much better concentration.
So, FWIW, that's been my experience... but don't come between me and a great rib-eye!
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That's why I usually skip the fries and soda when I eat at McDonalds.
Not only that... it's usually fun to watch their faces when you say you don't want fries. A lot of them look like they're debating whether to call security.
I do the same but never get such looks. I think the key is to say kind of the opposite, i.e:
"I'd like to have casgdbfu to drink and a plain sfsdhguio burger"
rather than
"I'd like to have a sbycukwa burger meal with a dzvhifdz drink, without fries".
I'm a mix of Russian, Romanian, Hungarian, English, German, and Dutch heritage, tracing back just a handful of generations to the source of immigration to the States. I'm either doomed, or I can eat anything. Possibly both.
My daughter has it much worse, though, because my wife is Scottish, Irish, French, and German, as best they can tell. Her family has been in Texas since the annexation, though, so there's a good chance all that has been absorbed and is now just Texan, or so I have come to understand.
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I do not believe you. Could you please do us a favor? Conduct a study about it and share the results with us. ;)
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Everything? And to what other countries are you comparing? I'll let you into a secret: you only went to crappy chain restaurants.
Yeah, you missed 1% of the eating establishments entirely!
You probably went to the restaurants that everyone else goes to. You know, the ones that hire teams of psychologists that target two year olds to instil one thought in their brain, that their lives will be ever so much better if they eat lots of yummy french fries and drink gallons of coke.
You know, the ones raised by irresponsible parents that give in to the nagging demands of these young fast food connoisseurs. Those parents should be shot.
McDonald's fries have been trans-fat free for three years.
So in a couple more years, all of the ones that have been frozen in some warehouse for the past decade will finally get used up?
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
FALSE:
As it turns out, fast food is loaded with nutrients. That's not the problem... hell for the vast majority of Americans they get more then enough 'micro nutrients'. IT's the fat and sugars that are the problem.
But go ahead and believe what the unregulated, low quality controlled, vitamin industry tells you.
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Post a pic.
The song "Cancer" by Joe Jackson - in 1982! - sums up this sort of stuff nicely.
"sustain many vitamins and minerals with supplements,
most supplements do exactly nothing. Besides, the fast food you eat is fortified.
Eat more then you burn, you gain weight.
If you ate only 1500 calories a day, and you are a man, you will probably loose weight with no exercise.
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I think the enjoyment of life vs. length of life issue is an important one. Quality of life does matter, but sometimes getting what you want all the time doesn't actually improve your quality of life either.
If you get a burger now and whenever you want, you will probably enjoy it. However, people can be perfectly happy with less as well. Happiness tends to be a function of your relative situation, not your absolute situation. That means you can train yourself to be just as happy without fast food as with it.
I think it all depends on when you started and your habits. If you have bad habits, the pain of switching may simply not be worth the effort. But I can tell you one thing, you do not want to have Alzheimer's. That is a very bad way to go. If you do have the Rock and Roll lifestyle, I suggest getting killed long before you can get old.
"are supposed to be made of."
hahaha, what a stupid statement.
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Not only that, but not smoking a single cigarette in your life is no guarantee at all that you won't get cancer at age 10.
And never leaving your house is no guarantee that you won't die in a plane crash. (Not sure what the point was there but the logic was so pure that I felt the need to elaborate.)
Breaking news : junk food is junk!
McDOnald hamburgesr are 100% beef.
Stop believe the hate and nonsense.
Try facts and critical thinking for a change.
Warning:
Critical thinking means never being abducted by UFOs, haunted, scared by big foot, or seeing the Loch Ness monster*. Also, May induce vomiting when watching 'documentarys' such as Fast Food Nation or Gasland.
*probability close enough to zero to you 'Never' in a colloquial form.
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Ironically, they went to trans fats to move away from, lard. thanks panicy health idiots!
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Not addicted.
It becomes a habit, There is a difference.
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Nope, everything. It's too fucking much.
Pretty much all plates in restaurant should be decreased 25%. min.
Or at least don't give lip to people who want to split a plate.
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...vanishing Social Security and all the other hazrds of aging.... Remind me again why an extended life span is a good thing?
What brain, Elrous0? You don't have one! You're just a distributed hive entity consisting of the ganglion of harvested lobsters that have been reconstituted into a virtual matrix and then forced to run on a Pentium II with about 500 MBs of RAM.
Here's to hot beer, cold women, and Glaswegian kisses for all.
No one? who the fuck do you ask, they guy in the mirror?
There is mountains of evidence that eating a healthy life style and reasonable exercise leads to longer life.
Does it mean you won't be hit buy a bus? no. Does it mean you WON"T have a heart attack? no. IT doesn't mean you are less likely to. And if you aren't running get a check up before you start, and start slow and short.
Smoking just doesn't substantially increase the odds you will get certain cancers, it also weaken the tissue in your spring, injures your heart, and a variety of other effect.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?Db=pubmed&term=physical%20exercise
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=eating%20healthy
And that's just a start.
However, you are just making mental excuses so you don't change.
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What does using science do determine what is medicine have to do with 'western medicine'
IIf it works, its medicine regardless of where it cane from. The idea of western medicine was created as FUD by people whose 'healing techniques' don't fucking work but they still want you money.
Specifically Supplements, Complementary and Alternative Medicine.. you know, SCAMs
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Our bodies convert ALA to EPA and DHA as needed, and Omega 3's are considered 'essential' for a reason: they are, and not just for EPA and DHA.
So yes, a valuable food. Personally, i have not noticed a difference from adding EPA and DHA. I *do* notice if i'm lax on flax tho. (ha ha) It does feel like i have a fair bit more mental clarity if i'm keeping up my Omega 3's, and that's simply flax oil, or ground flax seeds.
Nonsense. The burger itself is tiny (I can eat 6 Big Macs in a row and not break a sweat), the large fries are about what you'd expect for an individual. Combined, they aren't even what I'd call a normal sized meal, as they can only keep me satisfied for about three hours. The only thing truly enourmous is the soda cup. It's almost a liter of a way too sugary drink. Who drinks that much liquid during a small meal, anyway?
Disclaimer: so people don't think I'm a fat, mad slob that'll always want MOAR FOOD, I'm 1,75m and 65kg. And most of the burgers I tend to eat around here are four times the size of a Big Mac and cost about seven tenths of one.
Yes, and the difference is that your brain becomes resistant to glucose over time, which means it takes more to feel full, which means you eat more carbs, and then it takes more to feel full, so you eat more carbs... sugar rushes are addictive and wonder bread and sugar and the typical cracker are all essentially the same thing. Of course, the worst things you can eat that aren't just invented from stocks of chemicals made by putting other chemicals in vats and running currents through them are french fries, which have immense caloric value due to the fat and and the big carbo bomb, and a sugar soda since that's just a big wad of carbs in liquid form, which is the form in which it is absorbed by the body most readily. You might as well be injecting it.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
People say that all the time, but there are plenty of useful effective supplements. Many of the vitamins, for example.
"However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results" - Winston Churchill
...super triple ultimo burger with collossal oveflowing fries
I always got a kick out of the "Belt Buster" name at Dairy Queen: Eat this and you will become such a fat ass that you can't wear clothes!
Apparently there are good omega-3 and bad omega-3 fats.. good includes salmon oils, flax etc, while bad is canola oil. The way I read it, any super-cheap oil is garbage for you.
Yeah. People are so spoiled nowadays that they pretty commonly mistake habits for addictions. A few years ago, a friend of mine went to college and started drinking a bottle of beer daily. In two weeks he said he was an alcoholic and that he had to quit. Two weeks! And then he narrated the detox process as if he were Homer (either Simpson or the greek guy, they both work in this comparison). He was just an impressionable idiot, though.
By eating organic cardboard and drinking distilled water you will not live any longer...
but it will seem like forever!
No, I can't outrun Death, but he's got to put on a pair of shoes and fucking work for it. Fifteen years ago I weighed 250#, ate too much of bad quality food. I started biking to work, and the first day I got about 200 yards before I had to take a rest. It was that bad. I kept it up, and eventually I got all the way to college without having to take a rest. I still bike; I biked to work today. I now weigh 165# and volunteer at the Y teaching spin classes. I've changed my entire outlook and physiology. I've been stable at this weight for years,
If I had kept going I'd likely have had my first heart attack by now. Somewhere in the town I live there's a cardiologist with an unexplained empty spot in their schedule because I never made that appointment.
There is only One God, and his name is Death. There is only one thing we say to Death: "Not today!"
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There's one theory that suggests PUFAs are unnecessary. Avoid Omega-6 and you don't need the Omega-3 either.
"However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results" - Winston Churchill
Long distance runners do seem to have issues with heart disease, but it's probably due to all the "carbo-loading" they like to do, rather than the running itself.
It's really all about quality of life in the last 1/4 to 1/5th of your lifespan.
You can make it to 55 or so with a really bad lifestyle -- cigarettes, bad food, no exercise. But at the point and onward, it becomes really obvious who worked at keeping up with a better diet, exercise and not indulging in really bad vices.
But after that, your risks of cancer, heart disease, etc are really high and while you may not actually get any one disease so bad it kills you right away, you may have many of them bad enough that day-day living is a burden -- hauling an oxygen bottle, being heavy enough that you can't get around easily (ie, walking a block wipes you out) or needing bypass surgery.
And then there's the medication that keeps you going but has all kinds of side effects that slows you down, makes you nauseous, keeps you from sleeping, prevents you from eating what you like or from holding down a decent job (you think you'll stop working at 65?! Ha!)
And at least in the US, who will pay for your medical care, too? That's the one that keeps me up at night -- I figure my conversion to a better lifestyle at 40 came a little late to do me good the rest of my life (ie, it buys me into my mid-60s), but I worry about how the fuck I pay for a bypass or the pharmacopoeia of medicines I might need for blood pressure, cholesterol, etc.
This claptrap gets a +5, Insightful? Christ, Slashdot, what the hell happened?
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I have it on good authority that 99% of all studies find exactly what the author(s) wanted them to find all along.
Somewhat off topic, but you're just complaining about stylistic form. If you're reading a report then the author has already:
1.) Worked out his/her theory.
2.) Collected whatever data were necessary to test that theory.
3.) Ran and analyzed whatever results he/she came up with.
4.) Wrote the very article you're reading in a way that sounds like all of those steps just followed logically and naturally. No bumps, no hiccups, no rejected data requests, no oddball last minute 'anythings', etc etc.
That last bit is the part you're complaining about. It's far easier to tell the story as though everything went to plan. For that matter, readers don't like too many details.
PS: I don't reply to ACs.
Trans-fatty acids destroy cell membranes that are vital in a properly functioning immune system. The study mentions Alzheimer's disease but it could as well be Parkinson's, heart disease, macular degeneration, etc. Curing a degenerative disease like Alzheimer's isn't just one nutritional factor but many. Of course vitamins and minerals are important, proper essential fatty acids is another. Just as important is removing heavy metals like aluminum is also critical. Little known nutritional supplements like phosphatidylserine and phosphatidylcholine are needed to repair damaged cell membranes also.
Highly processed foods contain unacceptable levels of heavy metals like aluminum and cadmium. This has been found to be the case with infant formulas. Drinking sodas from aluminum cans and regularly eating foods prepared in aluminum cookware or processed in equipment with aluminum parts is also a contributing factor.
There is an entire BOOK on how monosodium glutamate destroys brain NMDA recepotors: "Excitotoxins" by Russell Blaylock, MD
Food that is wrapped in plastic also contributes to Alzheimer's. Phalates, plastics, destroy the body's fatty acid metabolism by overloading the peroxisomes that control fatty acid metabolism.
References:
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Wong WI, et al., Effects of folic acid and zinc sulfate on male factor subfertility: a double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled trial. Fertility Sterility, 77:491-98,20002
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*I'll just stop here, I'm tired of typing*
For those that poo poo'd the study mentioned you should be aware that that there are many thousands of research studies done that support the findings of this latest study.
But...but...
For decades the doctors, and medicine peoples have been telling us that margarine and all that is better for us! And butter is evil!!! Well along with eggs, milk, salt, bacon(including the grease that many use for cooking), carrots, potatoes, honey, half a dozen other things too, along dozens of other things.
My philosophy is, if people have been eating it for at least 10,000 years and it hasn't quite killed us yet. Our ancestors have been doing it right. I might as well keep enjoying myself, and if I die. Well, I'm going to die. I'm not going to be guilted to death by some elitist prick, with an ego the size of a largish city.
Om, nomnomnom...
I can see why sugar and fat can be the problem. Even more reason to not consume junk food in excess.
Don't think you can eat a lot of fish to get your Omega 3s. Most fish nowadays is contaminated with mercury.
Dilute! Dilute! OK!
If we all just eat junk food and do whatever we want, there can't be any negative consequences!
Yes, that was exactly the point of my comment. It's like how someone saying "It's okay to drive a car" is also *really* saying "It's okay to drive at 140 mph and disregard all other cars, FUCKIN' AY!!!!" Thank you for so eloquently clarifying what I really meant.
through a playground?
I don't see the connection. Anyway it has been proven that research causes cancer in rats and people with Alzheimers develop cravings for fast food.
That's because they forget that it's bad for them. Ba da bum!
I'm always amazed at how skeptical people are about the health benefits of fruits, vegetables, and whole grains. This is the diet we ate for the vast majority of our evolutionary history. No, correlation doesn't imply causation, but the modern American diet is correlated with obesity, heart disease, diabetes, breast cancer, colorectal cancer, macular degeneration, dementia, Alzheimer's, kidney stones, and osteoporosis. So if you guys want to hold out until science establishes pure unadulterated causality before you take steps to protect your own health, be my guest. But just because there are many legitimately unanswered questions about precisely how the fatty, meaty, cheesy, salty, high fructose corn syrup American diet is slowly poisoning you, that doesn't make the diet any healthier.
From the most part the studies I've read about show a link between heart attacks and marathon running. It is suggested that running a marathon is stressful on the body and may increase the factors that trigger a heart attack as running lots of miles (more is better attitude) may not be neccesarily good. Some of the factors may be mitigated by better dieting and training. However in the context of the OP, running a few miles is unlikely to put as much stress on the body as running a marathon.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
If being a vegan was so great, why did you quit?
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The issue isn't fast food, it's regular restaurants. At restaurants where you order an entre instead of ala cart items, the entre is usually way too big.
Wise men say, "Forgiveness is divine, but never pay full price for late pizza."
Jack LaLanne advocated taking vitamins. His two rules of eating: if it tastes good, spit it out. If man made it, don't eat it.
That is the case a lot of time. However especially in American Culture, if something pleasurable isn't officially sinful yet, we will take it in excess.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
That's why you need vitamouts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSfsqPgHJEo
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IT's the fat and sugars that are the problem.
Not exactly, you forgot gluten in your list.
Being celiac, I'm allergic to wheat or bread, but not to fat nor sugar.
I also have to avoid dairy products and probably corn.
As you can notice all these components are widely used in fast-food, and they have been engineered to be efficiently produced (I don't talk about GMO !).
And no, I don't believe that organic food is necessary (people complain about pesticides), since it's already expensive to eat without gluten !
Yes, but they're the really terrible years, where you're stuck in an adult diaper and can't remember what the names of your children are.
I am John Hurt.
I said outrun Death, not delay him.
I am John Hurt.
Including drinking water. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/14/national/main2358958.shtml
Gluten is fine for those not allergic, no worse than any other protein.
Fast food, last I checked, had adequate levels of macro nutrients, but suffers from a lack of micro nutrients (the levels are too low to be considered 'good' enough as the sole source of food).
Here's a study detailing fast food / its lack of micro-nutrients and its effects on rats -> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18718129
Granted, these are lab rats, which ave plenty enough problems as they are, but it does support my argument.
As for the 'vitamin industry,' I can assure you that I am a scientist, and view their claims with less credibility than you do (goes in the same pile as homeopathy or various cures for cancer via Royal Rife machines).
I am John Hurt.
I have a hard time taking a summary that puts omega-3, trans fats and fast food in the same group. Fast food (quite diverse actually) might not be good for you, but it's not a fat!
Analogies don't equal equalities, they are merely somewhat analogous.
I assume Gluten is actually quite a bit like milk: We are allergic too it, and we have not adopted for using it yet, its just that its not directly illl inducing.
When was the last time you saw someone eat fast food in quantities appropriate for obtaining "adequate" levels of macro nutrients though? You're right, if you ate fast food that way you'd probably get scurvy, but the OP is also correct that if you eat fast food the way most people do, taking vitamins isn't going to solve your problem.
Well... it depends on the burger, and how often you eat one. I occasionally stop for a big mac after a run because it has enough calories to replenish what I burn in 10 km, enough sodium and potassium to make up for losses over 20 km, and lots of fat that's needed for tissue repair. On the other hand, if you're routinely eating one or more a day and live a sedentary lifestyle....
"McDOnald hamburgesr are 100% beef."
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Worst advice ever. Sure that adult will likely lose weight at 1500 calories, be he will also likely feel like crap, be too tired to do anything, and constantly be starving. Even worse, his body will likely try to compensate for this by trying to store every calorie it can as fat for just such occurrences. This means that as soon as he does have a calorie to spare, it will pack on as fat instead of giving him more energy to burn immediately, or just crapping it out.
If eating less was really all it took, we would have very few fat people.
I can't tell if you're being serious or not, especially with, " Even if it would turn out that people are too stupid in aggregate and would technically benefit from a despot or anything less that direct and absolute democracy."
At what point does "technically benefit" not equal better? I know this isn't exactly a single-factor situation, but since we're only talking about a single situation, when you say something is beneficial (or perhaps, *more* beneficial), that pretty much by definition means it's better.
And in my opinion, a 24-hour Athenian democracy like you seem to be advocating is great in the same world where communism is great or libertarianism is great : a utopia where every human is perfectly-informed and respectful of every other human. Maybe we'll get there one day, but we don't live in that world today.
Actually the used to use beef tallow. The other white fat.
I love Jesus, except for his foreign policy.
This has been well-known since the early 60s:
- Carbohydrates require B vitamins to be digested.
- Whole grain flour contains more of those vitamins than it uses up.
- Sugar/starch contains no vitamins.
- Your brain needs B vitamins to work properly
Conclusion: Pure sugar/starch causes stupidity.
I bet if you measured sugar intake and IQ, with all other things the same, you would see a nice correlation.
Other such "secrets":
- Heated animal protein causes allergies. (This one I have seen proof for with my own eyes, with a friend being able to switch on/off his allergies multiple times by eating / not eating them for a couple of months.) It's about those proteins that are not denatured enough to just be digested instead of used directly, but too denatured to not be called "malfunctioning".
- Not all vitamins, minerals, trace elements, fibers, etc that the human body needs are known yet. Even when some say they are, such a statement is ridiculously unscientific, as the scientific method does prove something and isn't supposed to either. It's there to disprove things.
- Fats are not bad. Saturated fats are. Trans-fats even more, since they also cause cancer. As a rule of thumb: The more liquid a fat, the less saturated it is. Margarine is only solid because of artificially saturated fats. Which also creates lots of trans-fats. So it's an illusion to think it would be made of healthier fats. It's a shitty replacement for butter anyway.
- The operative word is not "hydrated". It is "thirsty". If your pee has no color, stop drinking!
Fries can't be trans-fat free, if they are trans-fat free they are not fries.
The cooking process itself creates transfats.
There is a problem with the article. The data doesn't show cause and effect it shows correlation. The argument seems valid and logical but the jump can't be made that healthy food will prevent brain shrinkage without further study. It may be true but it hasn't been proven yet nor even shown yet. Making that leap is like making the leap of shoe size and long jumping in middle school children. There is a high correlation that says larger shoe sizes make better long jumpers in middle schoolers. That doesn't mean putting a kid in shoes 4 sizes too large will make them jump farther. This example is obviously illogical but the article has its own flaws. The data may be good but all it says is that people who have high healthy fats in their blood tend to have larger brains. It doesn't say that they are less likely to have Alzheimer (no longterm study has been done to prove it) and it doesn't say that whether or not these people have larger brain sizes to begin with and it doesn't say whether or not smaller brain sizes cause people to eat less healthy. Good article but there is much research still needed.
Exercise is very beneficial, but it could be just walking (I have spoken to hundreds of octogenarians+, that was the #1 response to "How did you live to this age?").
NPK (Nitrogen, Phosphorous, Potassium) farming has degraded the nutrition in soil, thereby in our food. Organic farming is help restore the micro-nutrients, but is very difficult to do on a widespread scale. Storing and processing food removes many of the remaining nutrients, especially vitamins. Obviously herbicides, pesticides, and GMOs are designed to increase yield of the crop, not the health of those ingesting this food.
Healthiest food is raw food from an organic farmer nearby, but the happiest people seem to have a balance.
that actual cattle are involved
Well, they're cattle *compatible*.
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Dr. Udo Erasmus wrote a book: Fats that Heal, Fats that Kill. He is an advocate for Omega 3. As far as I can tell, he seems to be a reasonable authority; when I have discussed his ideas with doctors they haven't contradicted anything.
According to Udo Erasmus, the human body cannot make Omega 3 but can convert Omega 3 from one form to another as needed. Thus you should be able to fill all your body's needs for Omega 3 from flax oil alone; while fish oil contains other forms of Omega 3 that are missing from flax, your body should be able to deal with it.
However, he says that some older people have a reduced ability to convert Omega 3 from one form to another, and those people might benefit from eating multiple types of Omega 3.
He recommends eating fresh fish such as salmon, or eating flax oil, but he is not a fan of fish oil capsules; he says those are often rancid and/or heavily processed to keep them stable.
If you are interested in Omega 3, it's worth taking five or ten minutes and reading through his FAQ.
http://www.udoerasmus.com/FAQ/FAQ_index_en.htm
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True, but if you eat fish at a low trophic level (sardines/anchovies/herring) you can eat a fair amount without worrying about mercury.
I once ate at a well-regarded vegan restaurant that made the tastiest vegan food you could eat. It still wasn't that good. Vegan food is never going to be as good as non-vegan food, vegans just brainwash themselves into thinking so. I say that as someone who has sworn off fast food, eats red meat maybe once every two weeks, and eats a lot of stuff that vegans do (whole grains, vegetables, etc.). I eat this because I am worried about my health, not because it tastes good. I would love a bacon cheeseburger but it's not worth the health effects, even though it tastes much better.
Then you have bad taste. Because I enjoy all the healthy food I eat. Nothing better than fresh, well prepared meat, seafood, vegetables, and fruit.
Except the smart wolf would vote with the sheep, securing the loyalty of 1/3 of the electorate for the cost of a single dinner.
How can I believe you when you tell me what I don't want to hear?
I believe that there is growing scientific evidence of a link between blood sugar spikes and dementia. I have read of scientists who hypothesize that one of the reasons older people get dementia is that their ability to moderate their blood sugar levels decreases as they get older. This seems perhaps to link in with TFA. Here is a preliminary survey of the scientific literature.
This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when first he appears as a protector - Plato (423 to 327 BC)
That depends on the fish. The longer the fish lives, the more mercury they accumulate, IIRC. That's why Tuna is more of a concern than Salmon.
Perhaps if you don't take care of yourself when you're young, or get very unlucky with a rare disease. Otherwise, you shouldn't need an adult diaper or lose your brain function.
Perhaps, but smoking absolutely gives you a ridiculously higher chance of getting cancer.
Let's see...
Nicotine high + http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_of_tobacco
No nicotine - the ridiculous number of health problems listed in the above wiki
Tough call, tough call.
Real food = good for you
Processed food = bad for you
In this "scenario", how is the survival of one sheep morally superior than the survival of two wolves?
It's really all about quality of life in the last 1/4 to 1/5th of your lifespan.
You can make it to 55 or so with a really bad lifestyle -- cigarettes, bad food, no exercise. But at the point and onward, it becomes really obvious who worked at keeping up with a better diet, exercise and not indulging in really bad vices.
Having gone from keeping in shape, then becoming lazy and sedentary, and now back to exercising and getting back in shape, it's not just about the "last 1/4 to 1/5th of your lifespan". I'm in my late forties and it's amazing how many people who are 20 years younger than me have limited their options by being a chain smoking/junk food junkie/facebook addict! I can enjoy long walks in the woods, or long walks in the malls Christmas shopping :), I can go skiing, I can run or swim at the beach. I can shovel snow off a driveway without needing a snowblower and almost as fast, maybe half as fast, depends on how fluffy it is.
Besides the obvious benefit of feeling better, there's the benefit of having more options on what you can physically do for fun. And that's a benefit during your entire life.
From what I've read, it's not "as needed", but is rate-limited -- and that rate is different for individuals. And the studies I've seen on whether ALA input is useful in the same way as EPA and DHA -- studies which are limited in quantity -- have had mixed results.
BTW, do you grind your own flax seed? I strongly recommend it, since flax seed is more stable than flax meal, which is more stable in turn than flax oil (it's a shame that omega-3s are so fragile). All it takes is a coffee grinder.
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Maybe English is not your native language, but if it is, you have a problem with logic.
Did anyone else mistake "supersizing" for "supervising"?
"His two rules of eating: if it tastes good, spit it out."
That's why everything out of his power juicer is so delicious, eh?
The *REAL* phrase is "If you enjoy it, you can’t have it; if you don’t like it, you can eat all you want."
And it was penned by Mike Royko.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
You must be fun at parties...
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Yes. Unfortunately they are still full of potatoes. On the list of "common foods to not eat," fries are right up near the top.
I found that exercise mainly improves my conditioning and stamina for longer-duration activities like walks over 5 miles.
On a day to day basis, it really doesn't feel like it does that much other than cost me an hour or so four days a week.
Even a my peak of unfitness, I could walk 4-5 miles, ski in the mountains, etc without feeling like I was killing myself. It might have helped that I enjoyed those activities and pursued them, leaving me even passably conditioned even though I didn't 'exercise' and I smoked (which was for me about a pack and a half a week at most).
"Vote on everything," does not describe the US Congress. If you review the Congressional Record of the past year, either in Roll Call or the Thomas Jefferson Project, you will quickly see Congress, by way of the House of Representatives, doesn't vote on a lot. A quarter of what gets to the floor for an actual vote is non-binding, but more essential than that, very little actually gets to the floor.
Not getting to the floor isn't the result of Speaker Boehner's inability to wrangle votes, as pundits like to frame things, but this is also the result of the committee's themselves being unable to reach a resolution on things that, only a year or an administration ago, used to pass with little significant challenge. The committees themselves are voting on the same things over and over again believing they finally hit the version they can forward to the Speaker, only find someone's personal preference often results in some, "I can never compromise on X because X reflects how I feel about Y, and nothing good ever comes from compromising on Y."
James Madison thought we shouldn't have parties if they can't find a fair compromise. Clearly, James Madison would be back to his original view, that we shouldn't have parties. Note to UWMadison students: that's Political Parties, not keggers where the current counter-culture discuss politics.
"Yeah...it was the numbers that were irrational, not the murderous cult of vegetarians...." -- Hippasus of Metapontum
The major categories of kimchi are "water," "salt," and "vinegar," depending on the environment the fermentation occurs in. Obviously, only the salty variety is known for having a high sodium content.
I think you're both arguing the same thing: Getting sufficient quantities of micronutrients from fast food involves taking in an excessive quantity of macronutrients.
Yep, the rate is limited by ALA intake - if you're really low, you're not going to form as much EPA/DHA. It's an essential nutrient tho, and if you're getting enough ALA, you're going to produce enough EPA/DHA, as explained by a friend who's a nutritionist.
And yep - i actually specifically wrote 'ground flax seeds' hoping it would clarify that - and yes, i do use a coffee grinder too, tho a blender works well too (just do small amounts). Keep it in a sealed jar in the fridge, i go through about a cup in 2 weeks. Sprinkle it on nearly everything: pasta, salad, oatmeal, grains (rice, quinoa, barley), etc, etc.. Careful if you buy it ground, some flax meal is actually what's left after they press it for the oil, so you're just getting the scraps...it really is better to grind your own.
Do you think the people in power will be wolves or sheep?
Sure, two wolves and a sheep is not a good place for the sheep, do you have a better suggestion? A rule of everyone is as good as it's gonna get. Those in power, either by numbers or money/guns will be able to rule, but how could *not* having one vote each make things any better?
The tyranny of the majority will have to be mitigated by people not wanting to be wolves eating the sheep. And if that doesn't work, I, as a sheep would do what I can to protect myself. I'd shoot, emigrate or whatever I could think of to avoid being eaten. Still, where are you going to find the despot to outlaw the eating of minority sheep against the will of the majority?
Ergo, you can't have a better governance than one that counts everyones voice, but on top of that you need discussion about minority rights and if we can not agree that, morally, sheep should not be eaten by the rest of us wolves, then we're doomed.
Some of my favourite people are from th US; Vonnegut, Chomsky, Bill Hicks.
How can you assemble a group of subjects that provides relevant results on this matter? Aren't the decisions you make at what to choose to eat and feed --besides those who struggle for food-- inline with the education you had access to, the one you acquired yourself, and the decisions you make everyday?
A constitutional republic is one way of limiting the democratic power of The People to protect individual persons.
Great. So, who gets to decide if we're gonna have a constitutional republic or not? The people? Should we all get to have a say about what the constitution should contain?
Some of my favourite people are from th US; Vonnegut, Chomsky, Bill Hicks.
>Except maybe the case of two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner...
Oh, right. Thank God we don't have democracy, so us stupid peons don't fuck shit up!
Thank God for the people with all the power, the money and all the guns and all the media and all the justice systems and prisons being so wise and benevolent, ruling us against our better judgement so that we don't get to decide. I stand corrected. Democracy bad. Opposite of democracy good.
Some of my favourite people are from th US; Vonnegut, Chomsky, Bill Hicks.
In case you can't tell, I'm being sarcastic.
Some of my favourite people are from th US; Vonnegut, Chomsky, Bill Hicks.
Sure you can. If everyone has to vote on everything, no matter how trivial, the organisation will be paralysed into inaction cf. Life Of Brian.
Who said anything about everyone *having* to vote on anything? Everyone should *get* to vote on anything they wanna.
Some of my favourite people are from th US; Vonnegut, Chomsky, Bill Hicks.
This is not entirely true. Wonderbread and sugar are not the same thing. Most of the Wonderbread is quickly turned into glucose, a sugar easily handled and stored as glycogen in the body. Glucose will also to some degree trigger the full feeling. Sugar (sucrose or high fructose corn syrup) will split quickly into about half glucose and half fructose. In a normal not already diabetic person, glucose is not a problem. The fructose does not trigger a full feeling and needs to be processed in the liver like ethyl alcohol is. It is not easily used by the body and has a high tendency to store fat. The lack of triggering the full feeling will cause more to be eaten. Large amounts of fructose without fiber (like in fruit) is a very big problem. Without processing foods in order to create highly concentrated fructose, any fructose consumed in raw foods (except juice) would almost always be combined with significant amounts of fiber which slows absorption as well as its bulk providing a full feeling.
Note that wheat and similar grains also have many issues which can lead to overeating, including that some of the proteins can trigger opioid receptors. Modern wheat also has twice the gluten/protein than traditional wheat varieties.
Also note that many breads also add some high fructose corn syrup. This is also true of many other common foods like ketchup.
... unless, of course, the majority would vote that everyone must vote on everything.
That's a chance we'd have to take.
Then we'd possibly end up going to war against the minority that doesn't want to vote on everything, but that would still be better than going to war against poor brown people on the pretense of weapons of WMD:s or Freedom for oil or for geopolitical reasons or whatshamacallit.
Some of my favourite people are from th US; Vonnegut, Chomsky, Bill Hicks.
So, you're more into some measure of dictatorship as opposed to extreme democracy, then?
Some of my favourite people are from th US; Vonnegut, Chomsky, Bill Hicks.
Ok, I'll elaborate on the hypothetical part of people "voting wrong and actually benefitting from dictatorship"...
I don't think benevolent dictatorship can be good in the long run, but that's just a hunch. What I mean is that i
Dictatorship can not be philosophically right. We should live by democracy and die by democracy. It's what we make of it.
Some of my favourite people are from th US; Vonnegut, Chomsky, Bill Hicks.
No, not just by rate of intake; there's a limit to how fast your body can convert it, regardless of how much you consume. Wikipedia has a nice referenced summary on it.
That said, even a low conversion efficiency of ALA to EPA and DHA doesn't necessarily mean that it's bad. One could argue that even a very DHA-rich fish, like atlantic salmon, is only about 3% DHA, while flax oil is ~55% ALA, and flax meal is around 2/3rds oil, so even a poor conversion rate still yields roughly similar amounts per unit mass of food consumed. But basically, there just aren't enough studies on whether ALA provides the same sort of benefits, and I hope that gets remedied soon.
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This is incorrect. Living a healthy lifestyle will not only increases lifespan, but also increases the quality of life as the body ages.
Most people who do not quit smoking do not quit because they don't want to, but because that it is extremely difficult. Nicotine is one of the most addictive substances and can take up to five years to completely (or nearly) break the addiction cycle.
Smoking is also very good thing to do if you want to increase your chances of having early heart disease.
It is important to note that while nicotine is the culprit in the addiction cycle, it is not the main cause (and possibly not at all) of heart disease, lung disease or cancer.
If you consider any of the addiction of smoking, the addiction of junk food (and I don't know that this applies to you), and being a chronic couch potato as a high quality of life, then don't worry about your choices regarding health.
If you must have nicotine, get it another way. Breaking the cycle of eating junk food will allow the far greater pleasure in quality food. Running is not necessary, but moderate exercise is, i.e. a good amount of walking (hint: we evolved to do lots of this, not lots of running) with perhaps occasional weight training or whatever other moderate physical activity you prefer.
Being healthy usually means a lot less pain and suffering as we age.
...and to dispell some potential miscommunication, I'll just go ahead and say that one could probably find a philosophy to counter what I just said about dictatorship not being "philosophically right". I guess I mean "logically and ethically" or something. And that's still just my intuition, of course, but one that I intuitively feel seems pretty solid.
Some of my favourite people are from th US; Vonnegut, Chomsky, Bill Hicks.
... on third thought, scratch that.
Let's just say democracy feels more logically ethical than dictatorship to me. To each their own.
Some of my favourite people are from th US; Vonnegut, Chomsky, Bill Hicks.
No, English is my native language, asshole.
Also note that many breads also add some high fructose corn syrup. This is also true of many other common foods like ketchup.
It's true of pretty much everything packaged now. You can replace vegetable oil in foods with high fructose corn syrup, ye olde HFCS, as they have a similar effect upon food consistency. They also crank up the citric acid to cancel out the sweetness. Citric acid is actually good for you, so that part of it isn't bad, but of course your bread doesn't need a whole bunch of HFCS — indeed, it would be better without any.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
what are you whining about, that's a great deal. Take home the leftovers for another meal.
It is amazing how hard some people here try to refute the idea that fruit and vegetable are good for their health. Anything seems good to justify that nothing should be changed to their habits. This reminds me the arguments about climate change, with a small difference: eating junk food is a personal choice, therefore they are only hurting themselves.
His tribute to Scott Chase on the DVD cover is amusing.... :)
The only problem is that there used to be many more sheep.
The wolves have been voting with us sheep all along, and then taking out another sheep each time we turned our backs.
What happens when the last sheep falls asleep?
As far as I understand, this is mostly an immaginary threat. Correlation between fish intake and mercury intoxication have been documented for heavy local mercury pollution (I remember the story of a japanese plant rejecting mercury to the bay where people where fishing). For low mercury contamination, omega-3 benefits seems to trump mercury toxicity, as we have no study telling us that eating fish is correlated with diseases. But I may have missed some publication, did you find a paper telling otherwise?
Pure, literally unbridled democracy is just a form of tyranny
ALL power is tyranny. Anarchy is tyranny (anarchy gives the guy with the biggest stick the freedom to beat me senseless). Democracy is tyranny (the mob wants their blood). Dictatorship is tyranny (the loony dictator wants his blood). Blah is tyranny (the purple blob that ate everything wants his blood).
There is NO system of social organization that does not imply some occurrence of tyranny. The question is which one involves the LEAST amount of tyranny?
The wolves starve?
You don't know how the internet works do you? Of course he can't tell. The internet doesn't communicate sarcasm.
You're also 15. Give it another fifteen years and come back to talk to us.
Either that or you seriously need to see a doctor. Now. Because what you described is NOT normal.
I recently looked for scientific articles supporting the claim that fish makes you smarter. It seems the scientific consensus on omega 3/fish oil is inconclusive at best. Here's an example of what I found:
"However, Cochrane reviews of these studies have indicated that most of them are observational studies, that hardly any RCTs have been done and that all studies have led to inconsistent and contradictory results that do not support most of the claims."
http://digitaljournal.com/article/284399
Here's another article with a list of contradictory studies. One of the studies was on alzheimers and showed no effect.
http://www.pcrm.org/search/?cid=2723
but the fast food fries usually suck
Humans use long chain omega-3. FLAX is short chain so human body must convert short to long which means free radical generation. So best to get omega-3 from fatty fish. Why aren't Eskimos having pandemic heart attacks??? Vitamin-D and Omega-3 in the fish...
Short chain ALA must be converted to long chain EPA/DHA, there is a loss and not humans are good at this. Best to Omega-3 from fatty fish. Why are Eskimos not have pandemic heart attacks? Vitamin-D and Omega-3 from fatty fish???
No, it really is that simple. Exercise helps, but you can't exercise your way out of a bad diet. The reason we have so many fat people is that eating is pleasurable, so people in the west do too much of it.
That is what people with faster metabolisms or who's bodies crave what is readily available say. If it is that simple, explain to me why I gain weight on a 2300 calorie a day diet of carbohydrates, but lose it on a 3500 calorie a day diet of fat. The "eat less, exercise more" myth has been debunked hudreds of thousands of times. It is what 90% of all fad diets are based on. The only reason that the "eat less, exercise more" scam works is that the small percentage of people that it makes a good sound byte, there are huge profits to be made by building scam diets around it, and the small segment of the population that it actually works for uses confirmation bias to tell themselves that they are somehow better people than those who's bodies need different things to be healthy.
From what I've read, it's not "as needed", but is rate-limited -- and that rate is different for individuals.
According to Udo Erasmus's book, the conversion is rate-limited but your body can convert Omega 3 fast enough to keep up with its needs. If you are deficient in Omega 3 and you start eating some every day to restore the deficiency, the book said that it should probably take you a month to convert everything your body needs, but after that month you should stay current.
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Agreed! I suspect they'll find that unless there's some issue (preventing regular function) it won't be a concern, given that there are societies that have existed for millenniums without eating EPA/DHA, like many in India...and while they may have some funny ideas sometimes, they're doing alright. ;)