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Sony's New CEO To Look Beyond Hardware

angry tapir writes "Sony's new CEO says the company needs to move on from its hardware roots. From its inception, the company has defined itself through its gadget lines — Walkman, Vaio, Cyber-shot, PlayStation — but incoming CEO Kazuo Hirai, who will officially lead the company from April, says Sony must now focus more on the software and platforms they access. He said he wants to model the company after its successful PlayStation gaming business, which he helped turn around, where 'hardware drives software, and software drives hardware, and it's all tied in by the network.' Sony is forecasting nearly US$3 billion in losses for the fiscal year through March."

178 comments

  1. Why not? by AngryDeuce · · Score: 1

    They have far more success with their software anyway. Look at how well Star Wars: Galaxies is doing!

    1. Re:Why not? by houstonbofh · · Score: 3, Informative

      On the PlayStation, yes. There you have no choice. But on the PC? Especially with all the good press from the Sony software installed on PCs in the past... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal http://techreport.com/discussions/13096 They will have a hard time overcoming this with a lot of users. It is actually a factor in the hardware losses they have had.

    2. Re:Why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wooooooooooooosh

    3. Re:Why not? by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Ooops... Since I avoid Sony like the plague, I had not even looked at Star Wars: Galaxies. Why look at something you know you will not use? So I did not know that no one else looked at it either. :)

    4. Re:Why not? by justforgetme · · Score: 2

      Forget the rootkit,

      Every Vaio laptop I have bought and configured with a windows env (yikes) needs half a day of scrubbing to remove all the idiotic sony Vaio programs, services or UIs... And then you have the addware that comes pre installed... Plainly it is easier to buy a retail version of windows and slap it on than going through all the pain. In all fairness though Vaio's, as long as I can remember them, seem to be sturdier designs than cheaper alternatives and often have better screens also. But the software is plain criminal.

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    5. Re:Why not? by Omegawar · · Score: 1

      It's not so much that no one looked at it. But that they had an enjoyable but flawed game, that they tweaked until it was barely recognizable. And then scrapped it and made a a SW flavoured wow clone.

    6. Re:Why not? by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      For the future... http://pcdecrapifier.com/ Sony may be the worst, but it is in a crowded field...

    7. Re:Why not? by whoever57 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But on the PC? Especially with all the good press from the Sony software installed on PCs in the past... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal http://techreport.com/discussions/13096

      I don't think many consumers are aware of the rootkit fiasco. Some time ago, I spoke to someone who worked for Sony, selling professional TV studio equipment -- he had not heard of the rootkit fiasco. If the employees haven't heard of the issue, why would the general population?

      On the other hand, Sony used to build premium products and charge premium prices for them. I recall reading (during the late '80s I think) that Sony was the most valuable brand name in the world. Now they build cr*p and still charge premium prices. They also make those devices even more expensive for consumers by using proprietary add-ons such as Sony memory sticks. Consumers have started to notice those things. Sony was living off its valuable brand name for years, but now that train has hit the buffers.

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    8. Re:Why not? by lightknight · · Score: 1

      Which reminds me. I was looking (just looking) at laptops the other day, and spent some time checking out the Vaio. As a programmer, I like memory, but couldn't get it to configure for more than 8 GB (for a new laptop, that's deal-breaker). Do they make a laptop that accepts 16-32 GB of ram?

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    9. Re:Why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the price of a Sony you can get a better windows machine. Like a MacBook pro.

    10. Re:Why not? by alexandre_ganso · · Score: 1

      sorry, was not logged here on the touchpad. I mean it, really. Even for a windows machine, today a MacBook pro is a way better choice than the Sony. Sony used to be good hardware two decades ago. Now is just shit. You are better with an hp , which is admittedly shitty, for half the price of a vaio , and then replace it earlier.

      or stick with the mac os and have some thing adware-free from the beginning, with free ide, compiler and a lot of other software that is actually useful.

    11. Re:Why not? by sa1lnr · · Score: 1

      I stopped buying Sony kit when I stopped seeing "Made in Japan" on it.

    12. Re:Why not? by wbr1 · · Score: 1

      I recently got a Lenovo b575 four ~300 bucks. It is only an AMD e-450, but it runs circles around an Atom netbook or a tablet for about the same price. 4gb ram, 320gb HDD, and the RAM IIRC is upgradable (sorry I don't have it in front of me right now). To top it of, it came with a surprisingly small load of crapware. I toss it in my backpack, rid the bus, and bike with it and it runs like new. I for one am pleasantly surprised.

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    13. Re:Why not? by queBurro · · Score: 1

      yup, forget the rootkit, what about threatening to ruin geohot?

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    14. Re:Why not? by lightknight · · Score: 1

      Have an HP, not sure I want to take the Mac route. Can they handle more than 8GBs of RAM?

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    15. Re:Why not? by lightknight · · Score: 1

      Hmm. Interesting. One of their models (taken at a quick glance) does support up to 32 GBs of RAM...

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    16. Re:Why not? by alexandre_ganso · · Score: 1

      yes, 16.

    17. Re:Why not? by justforgetme · · Score: 1

      yeah.... That sucked bad! Very bad!

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  2. It's not going to work by laffer1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sony is just too conservative and unwilling to invest to be successful in the software business. 90% of their time will be spent locking down systems and adding DRM. They won't build what the customer wants.

    1. Re:It's not going to work by Theophany · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not to mention that their software is universally shite, relative to competitors. They've seen Apple's successful walled garden model and want in, difference is that Apple are a software company and Sony, most certainly, are not.

    2. Re:It's not going to work by ByOhTek · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Apple is not a software company. Apple is a Marketing company that has software and hardware tied for second place.

      Still, they put more focus on doing those things right than Sony does.

      Also, Sony seriously needs to improve their customer service, being on top of the 'worst in the business' pile is NOT the top of the pile you want.

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    3. Re:It's not going to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Correction: Apple is a HARDWARE company - and their software is shite as well...

    4. Re:It's not going to work by houstonbofh · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not to mention that they have zero consumer trust in their software, after two different rootkit fiascos.

    5. Re:It's not going to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Correction Correction: Apple is a HARDWARE company that doesn't even make their own hardware - and their software is shite as well...

    6. Re:It's not going to work by ByOhTek · · Score: 2

      Not really, Apple makes money on selling hardware, but part of being able to sell that hardware is the software they develop for it, that will either (a) only run on it or (b) won't run nearly as well on other platforms.

      So, yes, their profit comes directly from the hardware, but the software is a huge part of the marketing, which is what gets people to buy it (and thus, is an important indirect factor in getting that profit, easily matching the importance of the hardware)

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    7. Re:It's not going to work by msheekhah · · Score: 0

      As a Mac user from the days when Apple nearly bit the bucket... I am happy to see them succeed. That doesn't mean I'm going to buy any of their over-priced products haha.

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    8. Re:It's not going to work by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      Or their online services. I thought about resubscribing to Everquest a while ago, but then I thought do I really want to give my credit card details to crackers? So I didn't.

    9. Re:It's not going to work by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2

      > They won't build what the customer wants.

      Precisely. How the hell is a consumer able to brick their $1,000 [LCD] TV by flashing the wrong firmware??

      Sony is a hardware company that doesn't understand software NOR user experience. Microsoft is software company that doesn't understand hardware. Apple is a hardware + software + user experience company.

      Sony doesn't have a clue how to build beautiful UI's - they are "engineer's UI's."

    10. Re:It's not going to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention that they have zero consumer trust in their software

      I don't think that the general populace (i.e. the sony target market) know about the problems with their software, I can dare to say that if you ask a typical sony costumer what a rootkit is the most likely answer is that is something related to trees.

      Look at their camera line, they sell cameras with insane Mp count, too much for the lens available, so their cameras are a rip off. For what I was told at a camera retailer sony cameras are the most returned due do malfunctions but they continue to sell.

      Like it or not is one of the most recognized brands in the planet and people still think that they do things with quality, for most of the people rootkits and security flaws do not mean nothing until their bank accounts are drained (and then the fault is not from the people that created the security flaw but is from the damm hackers)

    11. Re:It's not going to work by tysonedwards · · Score: 1

      The same could be said of *every* company. Marketing has a place in every business to enable said business to reach a customer base, and in turn generate revenue, which if sufficient to cover expenses converts to profits.

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    12. Re:It's not going to work by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      That's only true if the people buying Playstations/devices are their customers. Since Sony seems to make most/all of their money on licensing fees from developers, I'm betting end users are *not* the people Sony considers to be their customers.

    13. Re:It's not going to work by sirroc · · Score: 2

      Except that for the most part; they did give the customer a ton of options with the PS3. If I so wanted I can use any bluetooth headset or keyboard I want, any 2.5" SATA HDD. any USB keyboard, any USB external HDD. Perhaps that is why Ken Kutaragi was given the boot; as they saw the line on accessory margins and died a little inside.

    14. Re:It's not going to work by RazorSharp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I know it's popular to call Apple "a marketing company" around here, but it's gotten ridiculous. What started as a very sarcastic cheap shot has somehow become an accepted truth. Last time I checked, Apple makes their money by selling computers, phones, and other hardware. They make a little off software, too. I'm pretty sure if Apple somehow lost their iPhone market, they wouldn't be able to offset the loss by selling t-shirts with their logo on it.

      But, yes, Sony could learn a lot from Apple's marketing strategies.

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    15. Re:It's not going to work by Guppy · · Score: 1

      Microsoft is software company that doesn't understand hardware.

      I dunno. If their peripherals (like their optical mice) had been created by any smaller company, we would have considered that company's hardware to be pretty damn good. It's only because Microsoft is so enormous that accomplishments like the IntelliEye disappear in comparison.

    16. Re:It's not going to work by grumpyman · · Score: 1

      Apple is not a marketing company. Marketing is not Apple's business. They sell software and hardware. You can say they generate business using a lot of marketing dollar, or is very effective in marketing, but that doesn't make them a marketing company. FWIW, Google is a marketing company.

    17. Re:It's not going to work by brainzach · · Score: 1

      I am not a big fan of Sony, but they do make the best camera sensors.

      Maybe the point and shoot cameras suck, but Sony they have some they make some of the better mirrorless system cameras and the prices are competitive. The software on the cameras is not bad either.

      The only thing that sucks is that they decide to add proprietary connectors with overpriced accessories, but you take the good with the bad.

    18. Re:It's not going to work by YoopDaDum · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Apple is a system and user experience company, and has been since the Lisa and first Mac. We people in Slashdot care about implementation details, but most people don't. Apple is better than the average at shielding the users from the implementation details and providing a comfortable and easy user experience.
      They're also good at marketing, but their approach there is not recent and was not enough initially to have mass appeal --- although you can say they had a cult following from the early days, just much more limited.

      The difference between the early days and now is not so much in the Apple approach, but in the price points they can target and people attitude.

      Shielding people for low level tech details used to be a very expensive thing in the early days of the Mac, and few could afford it. Nowadays providing a nice user experience is a multimedia player, then a smartphone or tablet, can be done at a lower price point. Even if Apple is often seen as more expensive, it's still affordable to more and more people. Their computers too are more affordable than in days past. So they can reach more people.

      At the same time, technology is more and more pervasive. We (/.) may get a kick out of it and enjoy all those new nice toys and don't care about getting our hands dirty. But most people are mightily confused and frustrated and bored. So they're more and more receptive to easy products, that allows them to get their things down with minimal fuss and understanding of the underlying technology. Nobody likes to feel backward or stupid and be frustrated in front of a high tech product they don't know how to use properly. Apple offer a product they get, and they feel good about it. That creates a lot of loyalty among technophobic people, and even among people who could handle it, but don't want to bother because they have other things to do.

      That's IMHO the combination of both that gives the current Apple boom. As I see it these two trends are here to stay, so Apple will stay high until other companies manage to shield people from high tech complications as well as Apple but at a lower price point.

    19. Re:It's not going to work by SadButTrue · · Score: 1

      First time I have heard Apple being called a marketing company but I would assume it is because, at least in the mobile hardware side, they don't actually make anything. I have no idea where their PCs are made of if they actually own that production or if it is all OEM/ODM as well.

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    20. Re:It's not going to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention that they have zero consumer trust in their software, after two different rootkit fiascos.

      I hate apple as much as anyone else here but once you shutdown the web browser the trust, hate, etc issues disappear. No one cares how their software is crap when it works. No one cares if it's so closed you need a ice pick to dissect it, if it works. No one cares if Apple sold their soul to China for cheap labor. They really don't.

      People bought a product and it works. The nerds and techies can complain till their blue in the face but they are the minority. The users don't care.

      Just like Sony. Aside from the PSN network outage they had when they were hacked, no one cares when their products work. Unfortunately for Sony, people will buy the cheaper product if it does the same thing as one provided by Sony. Consumers have very little vendor loyalty outside of Apple.

    21. Re:It's not going to work by Solandri · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, what you're describing is the public perception. What he's describing is the reality. Most of the big-name "computer manufacturers" aren't really hardware manufacturers. Apple's laptops are designed and made by Quanta. Apple gives them some guidelines and requests some modifications, but the design and manufacturing is done by Quanta. Ever wonder why some of the HP laptops look a lot like MacBooks? It's not because HP is copying Apple. Quanta is also the primary original design manufacturer for HP. Literally the same Taiwanese people who designed and manufactured the Macbooks also designed and manufactured those HPs.

      The same goes for other products. The iPod and iPad by now I think most people know are made by Foxconn. Who designs them is still uncertain. The big name sellers and the OEMs/ODMs are very reluctant to publicly discuss who makes what. The CPUs in their mobile devices are made by Samsung, though it looks like Apple is burning that bridge and is trying to design their very own ARM CPU for their next gen products.

      So Apple is essentially a middle-man. Someone who comes up with an idea, hires a outside companies to work out the design details and manufacturing, then assembles and imports it, and sells it under their brand name. A parts assembler. A marketing company. Many other companies you may think are hardware companies do this too. IBM used to make their Thinkpads in-house, but as near as I can tell Lenovo has outsourced most of their laptop production to ODMs. A lot of Sony's low-end and mid-grade laptops are made the same way. Dell just orders the different parts of their desktop computers, and assembles them before shipping it off to you.

      But some of them do have their own design, fab, and production facilities. Dell designs their own motherboards and cases (and tests them pretty extensively - it's extraordinarily difficult to put together a custom PC that's as quiet as a Dell business desktop). Sony's high-end laptops are designed and built at their facilities in Japan. The same for the sensors for their cameras, which they also sell to other companies (most of the other digital camera "manufacturers" use Sony sensors - a huge opportunity Kodak missed because they didn't have silicon fabbing experience). So they're very much a hardware company.

      I'd characterize Apple as a software and online services company first (OS X, iOS, and iTunes are their bread and butter), marketing/assembling second, and hardware a distant third.

    22. Re:It's not going to work by Krneki · · Score: 1
      You mean slave service?

      I dare you to name one Sony software product that doesn't treat a customer as a slave.

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    23. Re:It's not going to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ipad and apple products are funny to me because people LOVE to talk about their apple products and be seen with them.

      Ipad- I can go and buy a android tablet for half the price that does everything a ipad does and more because android is more open to its users and allows more versatility in what programs you can use and such. There are dozens of other tablets on the market that do just as much as a ipad but cost half the price. Even a kindle fire is only 200 bucks and it can do a lot of what ipad does at 500+

      Ipod- Why would I pay so much for a ipod when I can buy a hundred different types of mp3 players that do the exact same thing for a 3rd of the price? Hell my phone can download and play mp3s already so I dont even need a mp3 player.

      Macbook- Again I can buy a laptop that uses a far more extensive (as in virtually all just about) of the programs in exsistence, that is just about universally compatible with everything, I can play just about every game on that meets the systems specs and so on for less than half of a macbooks price.

      Iphone- I can buy an android phone that allows me to use a wider range of mostly unblocked aps, does everything an iphone does and again costs half the price. Not to mention I can buy it from the manufacturer of my choice instead of just apple.

      Problem is people dont buy apple products because its actually a good product, they buy apple because of the name. People will waste hundreds if not thousands of dollars on products that offer less function simply because of its look and name on it so they can sit in starbucks and think they look cool and tell everyone they know they dont just have a computer or a phone, they have a iphone or a macbook.

      So yes apple is a marketing company because they have products EVERYONE ELSE HAS thats better and cheaper but apple markets really well and is able to charge double the price and still make millions. Why? Because they market to a hipster and trendy type of people who will pay more just for a logo. If apple couldnt market like they do then they would be out of business and bankrupt. Apples entire company always has been about marketing their product and creating demand for a product that is more limited than its competition and double the price of the competition.

    24. Re:It's not going to work by lightknight · · Score: 1

      And I'm vaguely curious how that happens. Does Marketing just call up Engineering, as say "We need a proprietary connector on your new product" or do the engineers think of it themselves ("I've made an improvement on the standard USB connector!")?

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    25. Re:It's not going to work by arose · · Score: 1

      It's as true as the well worn "you are the product". There is some truth to it, but it's dressed in hyperbole.

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    26. Re:It's not going to work by alexandre_ganso · · Score: 1

      Some homework here is needed. In your argument, who uses 5 out of the 7 ODMs to manufacture their gear is an original designer and apple, who has been developing not only their own designs since forever, but even developing the basic materials and production process, is a marketing company.

      I could cite a lot of things, but some not that old examples are the glass screen, the unibody, the glass trackpad (and the trackpad itself) and the magsafe. Granted, they probably don't manufacture anything anymore, but from that to say they lend the Chinese to make their designs is just bullshit.

      Please get your facts straight.

    27. Re:It's not going to work by alexandre_ganso · · Score: 1

      if it was so easy to make a tablet as good as the iPad for even the same price, the android ones wouldn't cost as much as it (as the galaxy tab) - same with the galaxy phones.

      and as far as I remember, the HP touchpad was released costing the same as an iPad, but it flopped because it was a piece of shit. I know because I am writing this in one.

      if you are comparing the kindle fire with an iPad, you have no idea of what you are talking. If you are comparing a galaxy pad or the Motorola, then you will see that they cost as much or slightly more.

      stop being an open-source dumb. I love open source and I'm patching my touchpad myself. But it was expensive for 200 bucks (in Europe), and absurd at the same price as an iPad. HP realized that soon enough. It would be even more embarrassing to stay trying.

    28. Re:It's not going to work by alexandre_ganso · · Score: 1

      if you compare an apple Lisa with a pc, yes. But the Lisa was much more of a graphical workstation whose competition was at least thrice as expensive.

    29. Re:It's not going to work by alexandre_ganso · · Score: 1

      what would you qualify as a quality software?

    30. Re:It's not going to work by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 2

      Compared to who? Sony's first part line-up is infinitely superior to Microsoft's and a strong second to Nintendo. They're responsible for some of the greatest games of recent times (shadow of the colossus, Ico, Uncharted) Their garden is far more open than on the xbox too. For starters you can actually freely surf the net on a PS3. Both the PS3 and PSP are region-free. Their ebook readers are more open than Kindle. But hey go ahead and prove they're more of a walled garden than their competitors otherwise you just look like yet another one of those idiots who never used Linux on their PS3 (or doesn't even own a PS3) but acts like Sony raped their family by taking it away.

    31. Re:It's not going to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is one of the biggest (and most tired) /. memes, particularly given that Apple spends far less $$ on "marketing" than many other CE companies. Apple is a solutions company - they design the best hardware/software combination - at least from a consumer perspective. Build what people want and they'll buy it without spending a lot of money on traditional marketing.

      The perfect example is the pathetic attempt by Samsung to convert sales with it's Super Bowl ad. Rather than converting sales, they just insulted part of their target market. Apple, instead, didn't bother spending money on an ad. It didn't need to - people like their products because they work the way they like them to work.

    32. Re:It's not going to work by RocketRabbit · · Score: 1

      Precisely. They made a bunch of changes to GnuStep, licensed the changes under the GPL, and somebody downloaded them from Sony's SNAP developer site and released them. Instantly the project was closed down, and that web site is now dead.

      Why? What's the point of overhauling the whole of GnuStep (which is GPL) just to close it down again? Somebody at some level showed willingness to invest, but somebody at a higher level killed it.

    33. Re:It's not going to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I actually did the same thing. I was going to buy some DLC for my PS3 but I decided I don't trust Sony with my credit card info because they apparently don't know what computer security is.

    34. Re:It's not going to work by Theophany · · Score: 1

      Sony makes a heck of a lot more than PS3s, that's what TFA is about, Sony's entire range of software products need to step up. Ever booted a factory fresh Vaio lately? Using Sony's preloaded software is like simulating brain damage (and that's SONY'S software, not the rest of the third party bloatware crap they put on there).

    35. Re:It's not going to work by ByOhTek · · Score: 1

      I'm talking across every industry. Their computer support is atrocious, as you mentioned so is playstation (hardware or software), guessing they aren't great in any other department.

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  3. Is it tied in by the network? by Viol8 · · Score: 2

    I've had a PS3 since 2007 and have never created a playstation network account (which I'm quite glad about now given recent events). Its purely a gaming machine and thats all it'll ever be. If I want some sort of lifestyle/media server I've got my PC which is a lot better at it.

    1. Re:Is it tied in by the network? by Anrego · · Score: 2

      Been my experience (as an unfortunate PS3 owner) that most games are built assuming network connectivity. Most can be played fine without it, but in a lot of cases you miss out on features, (important) updates, and downloadable content (which I actually have no problem with.. if they wern't using piss-poor security when dealing with the customer data).

      I do totally agree on the whole "I just want a game console" thing though. Luckily most of that cruft is easy to ignore.

    2. Re:Is it tied in by the network? by HapSlappy_2222 · · Score: 1

      Yeah. First things that come to mind are Demon's Souls and Dark Souls. You can play both without an online presence, but the games are much more interesting when you're playing in a persistent online state; being invaded at any time, watching other players silhouettes struggle just like you, seeing helpful messages written on the ground by other players, and being able to summon help when necessary are all beautiful additions to the games. But, to get them, guess who needs a PSN account? Everyone playing the game.

      I think the old days of playing games by your lonesome aren't gone, but they are modified. I still feel like I'm struggling alone against a horde of demons, but the small touches that random real people bring to the game enhance it rather than detract from it (unlike, say, WoW where the fools make total immersion all but impossible). It would be nice if things like online human interaction weren't seen as a commodity for Sony, and instead relied on nothing more than a connection to the internet and good programming from the developer, like the old days.

    3. Re:Is it tied in by the network? by Nursie · · Score: 2

      if they wern't using piss-poor security when dealing with the customer data

      Piss poor security? That implies they'd try to protect it.

      The latest version of their online network "SEN", that replaces PSN, has an agreement which states that they can and will give your data to whatever third parties they wish, and if you disagree then you get no service.
      I cannot agree to this. I don't know what happens if you update to the new firmware that brings this change and then refuse the T&Cs, but I can't accept them.

  4. Ok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hardware is becoming generic and software is becoming critical. Software should at least be a big part of the plan. Sounds reasonable enough to me.

    I'd rage about Sony evilness ... but that would be offtopic (and I'm sure there will be plenty of that anyway by people much more serious about it than me!).

    1. Re:Ok by TWX · · Score: 1

      That argument has been made for decades and has never been proven. Both are interrelated and innovations in either impact the other.

      IMHO, Sony should get back to quality comsumer and commercial products again. Format changes have demonstrated that there is always a new market in media players, and people will spend their money if they think the device will do what they expect.

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  5. Well yea by eternaldoctorwho · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They need to focus more on developing better and more intrusive rootkits in their devices.

    1. Re:Well yea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And punishing their customers for Anonymous hacking them.

    2. Re:Well yea by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      No, that is fine. They need more time in testing for stability. If the crap was stable, no one would have actually noticed it. And that is the scary part, and why I have no Sony software on anything I own.

  6. overpriced, underspecced. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe Sony hardware used to be worth the premium, way back when, but nowadays they are just trading on their reputation.

    I had a Sony Viao laptop for years. It was OK, nothing wrong with it, but equally there was nothing so amazingly right with it that it was worth the huge pricetag - the same spec laptop with another brand label on it would have been just as good at 2/3 the price. It's a shame, because there is room in a market for a gadget manufacturer that sets itself apart from the competition by offering superior reliability / build quality / robustness.

    I think customers have been catching on to this the last few years, and Sony's hardware sales have dropped as a result.

    1. Re:overpriced, underspecced. by Anrego · · Score: 2

      Indeed. Seems to be the case in all their products.

      Sony used to be a name to be reckoned with. They were like DeWalt or Bose .. you could probably get the same quality for less if you knew what you were doing, but Sony was a safe choice and worth the extra money to know you were getting something decent.

      Now, they are just on par with everyone else.. and as you said.. people have noticed.

    2. Re:overpriced, underspecced. by unixisc · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The brand name meant something when it actually was made in Japan. Once they started outsourcing to China, like everyone else, there's no reason to pay more for them than anyone else.

    3. Re:overpriced, underspecced. by El+Torico · · Score: 2

      Samsung is the new Sony. Now Sony's going to try the same thing as everyone else.

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    4. Re:overpriced, underspecced. by 0123456 · · Score: 2

      The brand name meant something when it actually was made in Japan.

      My last camcorder was a Sony made in Japan, because my previous two Sonys had lasted for many years before I replacde them (in fact I'm using the TRV900 I bought in 1999 now because it's still working). That didn't stop it from frying its main board shortly after the warranty ran out due to a design fault in the power circuitry.

      My next camcorder will not be Sony.

    5. Re:overpriced, underspecced. by msheekhah · · Score: 1

      Samsung is making a gaming console?

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    6. Re:overpriced, underspecced. by u38cg · · Score: 1

      I presume he's talking about the trustworthiness of the brand. I've never had a Samsung product that had any physical problem, ever.

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    7. Re:overpriced, underspecced. by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 1

      The brand name meant something when it actually was made in Japan. Once they started outsourcing to China, like everyone else, there's no reason to pay more for them than anyone else.

      This.

      My 8-year-old "made in Japan" Sony VAIO A117S laptop still runs fine, with its original 1.7GHz Pentium M, 1GiB memory, Radeon Mobility 9?00 (the label and all the marketing says 9700, but it reports itself as 9600), and gorgeous 1920x1200 17" LCD. We replaced the disk with a larger capacity model[*] about a year ago, because the 80GB original had become just too small (but was still running fine). That laptop has been our "kitchen PC" for 4 years and is used regularly for all sorts of stuff - browsing, email, word processing, image processing, watching videos from our media server, and so forth. With a couple of dance pads, it's used for Stepmania. It runs Xubuntu 10.04 LTS.

      [*] Made in Thailand, not in Japan. Backed up regularly to our server, 'nuff said.

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    8. Re:overpriced, underspecced. by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Most if not all Vaios are garbage. When everyone else was using ATI or moving to nVidia they were still using Neomagic. They are worse at providing drivers for operating systems you didn't buy the computer with than anyone else, even gateway. Their support is legendarily poor. The computers are made like all the rest of the flimsy shit they make these days. Note also that Sony *still* hasn't figured out how to make a laser mechanism that can handle any abuse whatsoever. Every Vaio I've ever had the displeasure to work with has had problems, from the cheapest (haha "cheap") to the most expensive.

      The era when Sony made good hardware has long passed. They do still make some acceptable hardware, like home theater receivers. They have a decent interface, they have a decent remote, and they have decent THD (great for 2ch, mediocre for more, usually.) And hell, they look nice. But they are usually last in features (for what you pay, another brand will give you more) and nothing is actually great.

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    9. Re:overpriced, underspecced. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      ony used to be a name to be reckoned with. They were like DeWalt or Bose ..

      Bose is still a name to be reckoned with. Their stuff still sounds good. But it's not a faithful reproduction. DeWalt, on the other hand, is now a mid- to bottom-tier brand. Same with Bosch, and many other names which used to be exalted in tools. Even Craftsman, which was always known for being "pretty good" has compromised quality visibly. Got to compete with that unbranded China stuff.

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    10. Re:overpriced, underspecced. by Lectoid · · Score: 1

      Bose is not worth the extra money.

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    11. Re:overpriced, underspecced. by Anrego · · Score: 1

      That's depressing. I've been looking to replace some of my workshop equiptment. :(

    12. Re:overpriced, underspecced. by El+Torico · · Score: 1

      Yes, I was referring to the quality of its products and the trustworthiness of the brand. I think that Sony started losing its way when it started making gaming consoles and then getting even involved with software and media. Quality control is a well known process in hardware manufacturing, including the critical portion of measuring defects; for software it's more time consuming and for media it's impossible. After all, how do you evaluate a movie as a product while it's being made?

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    13. Re:overpriced, underspecced. by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Milwaukee is still good, and while Delta has also visibly compromised quality (stuff is smaller and lighter which is NOT a good thing in a workbench tool, especially) they still seem to make stuff OK. I pretty much buy everything used now and just expect to replace brushes and clean comms. Yard sailing FTW. Got a delta 10" miter with rotating table for $10. Got a vintage craftsman molding cutter for $20. Got a newer Model 77 skilsaw for $10 with a broken handle, cord, and switch and swapped the handle and cord and such from my old, banged-up saw to it. Got a used craftman 1 1/4 HP router with a really nice little table for $35. Job-site 10" table saw, $15, and I integrated it into a full-sheet sized workbench that cost maybe $100 to build (router's in there too.) Hundreds of dollars in replacement cost, tens of dollars in cash outlay. Much of it is as nice as or nicer than anything I can find in a local store brand new. Reuse is the best kind of recycling.

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    14. Re:overpriced, underspecced. by grumpyman · · Score: 1

      A local electronics repairman responded to my comment similar to yours is "it's not because they're made in China, it's because what the company wants them to build." I think iPhone/iPad are pretty robust.

    15. Re:overpriced, underspecced. by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      I think iPhone/iPad are pretty robust.

      Tell that to my daughter who dropped her iPod Touch two feet onto carpet which resulted in a broken touchscreen.

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    16. Re:overpriced, underspecced. by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      The era when Sony made good hardware has long passed. They do still make some acceptable hardware,

      The last Sony product I bought was a car stereo. One of the features I wanted was the ability to plug in a flash drive and have it play MP3s from it. The radio does this, but, I found after buying it (and there was no indication of this limitation in any of the literature) that it cannot read anything past the first 4GB of the flash drive. When I bought the radio, that model was only a few months old and 64GB flash drives were commonly available in stores. So, at the time of releasing the product, it was obsolete. Never again will Sony get my money.

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    17. Re:overpriced, underspecced. by EdZ · · Score: 1

      Bose is a name to be reckoned with, but only the name. Their actual equipment is pretty mediocre, dead average, but priced as if it were premium equipment. You're paying 5x/10x the price for the badge, nothing more (hence the common apocryphal backronym Buy Other Sound Equipment).

    18. Re:overpriced, underspecced. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, I have GOT to go shopping in your neighbourhood... Those are great prices, and I totally agree - I have not bought any tools new in the last 10 years... Since that was probably the last time any company made anything worth while....

    19. Re:overpriced, underspecced. by ravenscar · · Score: 1

      Wow - I wish I had your luck. I had a 42" Samsung plasma that had a terrible time with HDMI (the picture would randomly drop out and leave only sound). This was a common problem that got better with a firmware update, but was never completely fixed. I currently own the Samsung Captivate - the GPS has never worked correctly. This is a very common issue. I also owned some old Samsung flip phone that was pretty poorly engineered - breakage of the flip cover was quite common. A couple of my friends had it happen to them (mine made it through a year or so okay).

      All that said, I still like Samsung products, but they definitely aren't perfection.

    20. Re:overpriced, underspecced. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you've never had a Samsung product with a problem, then you've never used that product for very long.

      I repair consumer electronics, and I can say that although Samsung is a large brand to a lot of people, their electronics are garbage. Samsung TVs do not perform well. In fact, there is an epidemic of faulty Samsung electronics between 2007-2009. And you might say what about SONY and Toshiba TVs from the same years? Yes, you are right but you must realize that the reason the SONY and Toshiba TVs failed was because they bought their panels from Samsung... So Samsung is the reason that THREE brands of TVs were all faulty.

      Samsung is "perceived" to be trustworthy, but I will never own one... Perception is a dangerous thing if your perception is WRONG.

    21. Re:overpriced, underspecced. by u38cg · · Score: 1

      I know they had manufacturing problems with their TVs at one point a few years ago, no doubt trying valiantly (and hopelessly) to produce them at a profitable cost. And I'm not so daft as to believe that there's any connection between the phones, laptops, fridges, and TV I've owned except the Samsung label on it. A brand is a promise, nothing more, and a company can break it any time they want.

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    22. Re:overpriced, underspecced. by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      Bose is a name to be reckoned with, but only the name. Their actual equipment is pretty mediocre, dead average, but priced as if it were premium equipment. You're paying 5x/10x the price for the badge, nothing more (hence the common apocryphal backronym Buy Other Sound Equipment).

      Bose lawyers are to be reckoned with. Most of their equipment is shit, that's why the don't publish specs. You pay 5 to 10 times the price for sound that is missing in easily audible frequencies. Here's a link anyone considering a Bose Acoustimass product should read first.

    23. Re:overpriced, underspecced. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You go sailing in your yard? Wow, that's got to be a short boat trip. Anchors away!

  7. Sony: by Culture20 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Your hardware was always good, but your focus on lock-in with nonstandard things like Memory Stick and user-hating products like the rootkit DRM on audio CDs is what killed you. Geeks everywhere have been telling their family and friends that you suck for the last decade. That tide will not change before you lose a lot more money. Just close up shop and call it a day.

    1. Re:Sony: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder, do you feel like your disconnection from the real world is some sort of asset?

    2. Re:Sony: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, you must be right. After all, someone with a business intellect like you must have nothing better to do than to waste time on Slashdot and tell a CEO how to run his business. Thank you for all your insight. "Ok boys, shut 'er down. We're done here!"
       
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    3. Re:Sony: by unixisc · · Score: 1

      If they had used the larger form factor of the memory stick to offer at least a density an order of magnitude higher than standard SD cards, it would have made sense. But seeing them offer far lower densities for higher prices defies logic.

      But honestly, nowadays, I see no reason to prefer a Sony to a Sharp, a Samsung or even some new company I may stumble across in Costco.

    4. Re:Sony: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Resorting to personal attacks in the face of a factual argument is the surest sign the argument is spot-on.
      Crawl back under your rock, and take SONY with you. We'd all be better off without SONY.

    5. Re:Sony: by andydread · · Score: 3, Insightful

      amen AMEN, I went from all Sony products to no Sony products over the last decade. I did the whole Sony Style thing. Everything was Sony. Now I don't own any more Sony products because of exactly what you mentioned along with their arrogant attitude and litigious behaviour. Sony's entry into the content business was the start of their downfall. Becoming a leading member of the RIAA and MPAA made it worse. I no longer purchase Sony products and actively recommend against their products. They should drop the content business and become a hardware company again this time without trying to populate the marketplace with non-standard hardware and only then will I consider recommending them to anyone.

    6. Re:Sony: by doramjan · · Score: 1

      Wow, so I'm *NOT* the only one with a complete Sony boycott in my household! I've even taught my children to regard Sony as one of the cardinal off limits four-letter words.

    7. Re:Sony: by pscottdv · · Score: 1

      This.

      As long a the tail of Sony's content business continues to wag the dog of their hardware business, they will find it difficult to deliver products people want.

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    8. Re:Sony: by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      As long a the tail of Sony's content business continues to wag the dog of their hardware business, they will find it difficult to deliver products people want.

      Bingo. Sony's hardware serves their movie/music business, not the customers who actually buy it.

      They should get out of the content business and build stuff that people actually want to buy; why would I buy a $200 Sony Blu-Ray player which is region-locked and doesn't let me skip ads when I can buy an $80 Chinese no-name brand with neither of those restrictions?

    9. Re:Sony: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I do the same. They did the digital equivalent of sending goons to break into my house and smash the products of their competitors. It was absolutely unconscionable. It's like Ford buying a chain of gas stations and secretly adding a little sugar to the fuel every time a Toyota pulls up.

      Replacing the CEO will not be enough to change my mind. Sony needs a complete replacement of management, a public apology, and a code of ethics that makes seriously proposing such an action to be grounds for termination.

    10. Re:Sony: by who_stole_my_kidneys · · Score: 1

      This has left a bad taste in the mouths of current generations, Sony will need 5-10 years to win those customers back if at all. their only hope now is to stay afloat long enough to for people to forget these past atrocities while maintaining the same level of decent hardware. If they continue down the path of alienating its customers, there will be a wikipedia page telling the story of the rise and fall of SONY.

    11. Re:Sony: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Ok boys, shut 'er down. We're done here!"

      Man, I wish. Fortunately, there are a great number of pissed-off people who will not let SONY's shit float, will keep SONY's actions in the eyes of potential customers, and do what we can to make sure consumers understand what they're getting, if they submit to SONY. We may not be able to taunt them out of the market, but we can at least try and choke off as much of their cash flow as possible. SONY needs to be reminded, in a fundamental way, that they serve market demand.

    12. Re:Sony: by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      If memory serves me correctly, Memory Stick was designed and released before SD was released, when MMS was still around. Sony created MagicGate on the Memory Sticks with downloadable Media in mind...but then the MMS consortium came up with SD

    13. Re:Sony: by reub2000 · · Score: 1

      But seeing them offer far lower densities for higher prices defies logic.

      Um, they like money?

  8. They want to focus on A.I. by na1led · · Score: 1

    Sony is one of the largest Robotics companies in the world (and I don't mean industrial robots). It only makes sense they want to put some brains in those robots.

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    1. Re:They want to focus on A.I. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Sony is one of the largest Robotics companies in the world (and I don't mean industrial robots). It only makes sense they want to put some brains in those robots.

      That would be nice. The Republican presidential campaign is getting rather boring. Time to upgrade that firmware.

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    2. Re:They want to focus on A.I. by oursland · · Score: 1

      What robots do you mean? They canceled their consumer electronics and research robotics product, Aibo, in 2006.

  9. Sony Announces new Consumer RootKit division by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Sony's New and Improved RootKit offerings from its newly established Consumer RootKit division will be available in two versions -- a free, advertising supported version, as well as a monthly subscription-based model. Subscriptions will require providing your Credit Card information via Sony's latest WebPortal hosted on its bulletproof servers ...

  10. Expect continued decline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Decline started when they got into owning content.
    Too busy building hardware to protect the content whereas the free market builds hardware to satisfy consumers, and the free market wins every time, eventually.

  11. Here's an idea by PPH · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sony could add a feature to its hardware platforms to allow loading/running an alternate OS. Preferably one that would attract lots of developers to their platforms. Perhaps even an open source OS, thereby making the best community developed products easy to distribute.

    Nah. It would never work.

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    1. Re:Here's an idea by Kohath · · Score: 0

      They tried that. It didn't attract anyone worthwhile. They got hacked, sued, hacked again, and endlessly attacked. I think they've learned their lesson to never, ever try to reach out to these sorts of "developers" ever again. I think lots of people have learned a similar lesson from Sony's experience.

    2. Re:Here's an idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No they didn't. They crippled the Linux OS by lockout out the most important hardware:.the RSX. Therefore the video driver was rubbish rending PS3-Linux are nothing more than a cell processor toy. All hacking attempts were to gain access to the hardware, until they killed otherOS, when many more eyeballs attacked the machine and Sony effectively created PS3 pirate games over night.

    3. Re:Here's an idea by Telvin_3d · · Score: 2

      Go re-read the background on OtherOS. Or even the PS3 Wikipedia article. PS3 didn't get 'hacked' until after they pulled official support for OtherOS. Until then, the PS3 had been out for four years without a single public method for running unsigned code. All indications are that everyone with the skills to jailbreak the machine to run game backups were perfectly happy playing around with the official third party tools.

      Sony had tossed the hacker community a bone and a respectful nod. In return everyone was happy playing nice.

      In April 2010, Sony announced they were retroactively pulling support for OtherOS because fuck you, that's why. They were then sued because in much of the civilized word it is illegal to remove advertised features after you sell a product.

      By August 2010 the PS3 was broken open like an oyster.

    4. Re:Here's an idea by Kohath · · Score: 1

      And that's why no one will ever do this again. Because no matter what you do, it's never enough for a group of people with an extreme entitlement mentality and nothing to offer Sony (or any product company) in return.

      No one will do this again for the same reason no one lets homeless people use their house when they're on vacation.

    5. Re:Here's an idea by Kohath · · Score: 1

      Sony had tossed the hacker community a bone and a respectful nod.

      Obviously, that was a huge mistake.

    6. Re:Here's an idea by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      Because no matter what you do, it's never enough for a group of people with an extreme entitlement mentality and nothing to offer Sony (or any product company) in return.

      Yes. We have a name for people like that.

      They're called 'customers'.

    7. Re:Here's an idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The hacks happened after the OtherOS feature was removed, though. And people didn't seriously start attempts at cracking the PS3 until OtherOS was removed.

    8. Re:Here's an idea by Kohath · · Score: 1

      If you lose money dealing with "customers", you're better off without them.

    9. Re:Here's an idea by Kohath · · Score: 1

      So what? Better to never implement it. If you never provide something, no one will attack you for taking it away. I expect Sony has learned this.

    10. Re:Here's an idea by Telvin_3d · · Score: 1

      Why? It kept their system from being cracked for four years. The Xbox 360 and Wii were both cracked within a year of release. And every indication is that if Sony had not pulled OtherOS support the PS3 would have remained the only current generation console to remain secure.

      So why do you consider the initial support a mistake?

    11. Re:Here's an idea by Kohath · · Score: 1

      - Because there's no way to know that the system would have been cracked any sooner without OtherOS.
      - Because the attacks on Sony were immensely more expensive and damaging than the cracking.
      - Because it's still hard to pirate 20-40 GB console games on a large scale.
      - Because a cracked system can be partly re-secured.
      - Because the PSN would not have been attacked if OtherOS had never been a feature on the PS3.

    12. Re:Here's an idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If OtherOS was not a feature there would be a lot less sales of the PS3. I own 2 and I know another 5 people who would not have bought it. I have no interest anymore on any games sony brings to market.

      The cracking is till going on and costing them every day.

      It's no harder to pirate 20-40GB games than it is movies or music. It's not the size that determines the difficulty.

      A cracked system is cracked there is no way that you can insure that it is secured unless you start from scratch.

      PSN would have never been attacked if the PS3 still had other os.

    13. Re:Here's an idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can call it 'entitlement', but in the real world, it is 'selling a product, claiming it does X, then removing its capability to do X'. People call this 'fraud'.

    14. Re:Here's an idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sony pulled OtherOS after GeoHot exploited the feature to gain control of the hypervisor and released the exploit to the public. George Hotz is the reason OtherOS was pulled from the system. You can read more about it here .

  12. You should kill us all on sight by sakdoctor · · Score: 1

    And now, for a thousand generations, geeks everywhere will be telling their family and friends that Sony sucks; and they won't even know they're doing it.

  13. to me... by milbournosphere · · Score: 1

    Sony has been defined by overpriced accessories, rootkits, removed features, draconian network DRM, and in recent times, a lack of concern for protection of customer data. The only thing Sony that I've even remotely enjoyed recently has been my Sony monitor headphones, a simple, cheap and good quality hardware device. If this CEO wants to get Sony back on the right track, he'll solve these problems. Looks like he's getting off on the right foot, at least.

    1. Re:to me... by firex726 · · Score: 1

      Sadly I do not have much hope for him/Sony.

      This new CEO was the same one who was over the PS3/game division when the PSN security breach happened and every other piece of bad press regarding the PS3.

  14. And he's right... by Sir_Sri · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And he's right. In the long term, and that might be another couple of generations, game consoles will be terminals, TV's were dumb terminals and need to be made smart, smartphones can't distinguish themselves from one another if they are all basically the same hardware and software.

    Hardware is a bad business to be in. There is becoming less and less of a need for a lot of different foundries, sure there will be some world wide but they are, by and large, astronomically expensive and need to have multiple customers, this is your TSMC, Intel, AMD etc. Given that, Sony, along with everyone else, is buying from them. That means your differentiation comes from what you run on the hardware, not what the hardware is.

    Sony *should* own some major portion of the mobile market place. But it doesn't. It has just another android phone basically x10. The PS vita should be *the* premium android phone right now. But it isn't. That's a software and a vision problem, not hardware problem. Because what does a Sony smartphone bring to the table with software?

    Sony *should* have a secure, reliable network that people can trust to buy movies music and games on, and that will be up 'all the time' (within reason of course), and, given the PSN outages last year, that isn't the case.

    The future for Sony is smart boxes that go with (or inside) dumb boxes, and link up to their smart software services. TV on demand, on your TV, or PS1, 2, 3 or 4 games, all over the net. That may mean running their own cloud backend. But it's still known hardware problems solved with engaging software that's better than the other guy, not shitty software with somehow innovative hardware, because there's not a lot to innovate on the hardware.

    In other words, they're largely a consumer facing version of IBM or HP. I'm sure they have, and could do more with the battery/chemicals business and so on, the backend may be boring tech but it can be useful. They can make TV's that use 70% less power for example. But pitching that to consumers requires informed consumers, and most of us, about most of the technology we use, aren't, or at least aren't informed enough for things like a TV that uses 70% less power, but costs 2x as much to even know if that's a worthwhile deal. They could, I suppose, choose to radically reinvest in something else, solar power, that kind of thing, but most of their innovation has been in content distribution (floppy disks, CD's, DVD's, Blu Ray, the whole gaming business etc.) and content delivery at that level is now a networking infrastructure problem.

    1. Re:And he's right... by Kjella · · Score: 2

      So Sony should deliver the same hardware with the same Android OS as everybody else? Yeah, like that's differentiation. Sony has as far as I know never competed with TSMC, Intel, AMD etc. and why should they start now? They've been into producing consumer products, and there's plenty opportunity to pick components and make solid, well intgrated, price efficient combinations of good build quality and turn a good profit on that. My iPhone4 didn't even come with a flashlight function, though there's a dozen apps for that. Unless Sony really screws up the basic functions, why should people care? There's an app for that. But there's no app that would say give you a better camera, or better battery lifetime, or better resolution/color/contrast on your screen. Your hardware choice is once, your software is replaceable. You probably can't muck too far into the Android internals without too much cost for a fork, and nobody's buying a phone because it has some Sony branded apps.

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    2. Re:And he's right... by Kohath · · Score: 1

      They can make TV's that use 70% less power for example. But pitching that to consumers requires informed consumers, and most of us, about most of the technology we use, aren't, or at least aren't informed enough for things like a TV that uses 70% less power, but costs 2x as much to even know if that's a worthwhile deal.

      It isn't. Consider yourself informed.

    3. Re:And he's right... by Sir_Sri · · Score: 1

      Well that's just it, the Sony branded app/market place whatever has to be the defining feature of the phone. That might be Uncharted Androids 17 Drakes Reincarnated Cyborg Still Jumping, but if it will move units it will make money.

      Exactly as I said, they aren't doing anything fundamentally innovative in hardware, they're buying hardware from other people. There's nothing wrong with that, but trying to run your own manufacturing business isn't a great plan. Finding innovative solutions to use the hardware, now that's useful. Sony makes the best LCD cameraphone sensors on the market. Who's phones are they in? Apples. Sony should be defining the standard for camera's in cell phones and the software that goes with it. Even if it's a samsung phone it should be a selling point that it has a sony camera, with sony software, and when the camera business is farmed off to some variant of TSMC Sony would still own the defining software for the cell phones. Interestingly, Microsoft sort of runs this one.

      You just said 'why bother when i can get an app for whatever from the app store'. My point is, and I'm guessing they're thinking this on the back end, when you go for an App, for certain things it should be a Sony app that defines excellence. Whether that's for great games, game management, music on the Android, whatever, the experience of having something that says _company_name_here_ should leave customers remembering _company_name_here_ and wanting more.

      An app can make the camera experience loads better, better software can make batteries last longer. Core display tech I don't think Sony has been into for a while, they just buy it from other people.

      Again, there's nothing wrong with selling hardware, but right now what they're selling is basically a generic android that really doesn't add anything, and they're getting their butts kicked by Samsung doing it. And as time goes on hardware is going to be dumber and dumber, and real time networking will take over a lot of the hardware. So you have to make software that doesn't suck. And outside of their first party game developers, Sony software sucks.

    4. Re:And he's right... by Sir_Sri · · Score: 1

      Are you sure? If you're in Japan right now, using 70% less power in any device makes a big difference, since they are still rationing power due to the tsunami. What's the crossover point on power cost vs hours watched (and lifetime of the device?). What about really big TV's that use ~300 watts of power (or more). You might have circuit or electrical issues with a device drawing that much power if you already have a computer or whatever.

      I grant you, at 10-15 cents/kWh you're only looking at 15-20 bucks a year in energy on a 60 inch TV, but if you live in relatively remote places or the like power can be a lot more expensive.

      In general it's not worth it for consumers, but at what point is it worth it? If you're a hospital in Japan, having displays use 70% less power (and that's 70% less you need to keep backups and reliability for) is probably worth double the price, but that's the business end of extreme. Now if you're paying 18 cent/kWh and the TV is only 30% more money, and you expect it to last 8 year, at 5 hours a day...

      Again though, that's the problem, to actually be informed about it takes far too much work for most people, so they have nothing to market or sell very effectively from it.

    5. Re:And he's right... by Kohath · · Score: 1

      Are you sure?

      Pretty sure.

      ...In general it's not worth it for consumers...

      Agreed.

      It might be worth it to someone. But those people are probably not numerous enough for Sony to deal with.

      I also disagree that it's reasonable to cut power consumption by 70%. Electronics makers already try to keep power consumption down. There's not 70% of useless inefficiency in a TV.

    6. Re:And he's right... by Sir_Sri · · Score: 1

      Well that was the point of the technology, it (supposedly, I've never seen one) retains the same quality, but cuts power consumption by 70%, but they're about 1500 bucks for TV's that otherwise would have sold for under 1000.

      It's not that it's inefficient or somehow knowingly wasted, it's that they for whatever reason did research to figure out a new way to do things that used less power. It's like saying incandescent light bulbs aren't inefficient, relative to something new they are less efficient in terms of light per watt, but we went the better part of a century where basically everyone made light bulbs the same, and that was just how they worked, there was no 'efficiency or inefficiency' about it.

  15. PSN Indie Games? by tepples · · Score: 1

    They've seen Apple's successful walled garden model and want in

    Historically, PlayStation has been even less open than iOS. The walled garden model popularized by Apple's App Store actually appeared first in Xbox Live Indie Games, an alternative to Xbox Live Arcade for individuals and small family businesses without the requirement of a secure office and "industry experience". Does SCE plan to introduce anything like XBLIG any time soon?

    1. Re:PSN Indie Games? by somersault · · Score: 1

      Does SCE plan to introduce anything like XBLIG any time soon?

      You mean like this?

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    2. Re:PSN Indie Games? by Narishma · · Score: 1

      I think that's equivalent to XBLA, not XBLIG. As far as I know, Sony doesn't have any equivalent to XBLIG or the App Store.

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    3. Re:PSN Indie Games? by ilguido · · Score: 2

      What? App Store developed from iTunes Store, XBLIG has nothing to do with it. By the way XBLIG/XBLA is a half-baked rip-off of Steam: 2DBoy (creators of World of Goo) made this interesting survey about XBLA. Actually PSN is more open than XBLA, as in "more accessible".

      Surely their objective is something like iTunes, that is something that appeals a snobbish crowd, and not a XBLA, that is the Zune of the online store services.

    4. Re:PSN Indie Games? by tepples · · Score: 1

      What? App Store developed from iTunes Store, XBLIG has nothing to do with it.

      Even if you acknowledge that the 30% cut in the App Store developed from the 30% cut in the iTunes Store, that still leaves the $99 per year up-front fee for running your own programs on your own hardware. It appeared in XNA Creators Club (which is now called App Hub) before it appeared in iOS.

    5. Re:PSN Indie Games? by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      Sony and the Playstation have nothing to do with xbox live, you nonce,

    6. Re:PSN Indie Games? by tepples · · Score: 1

      I know that. That's why I was contrasting Sony's approach with Microsoft's.

  16. Samsung is the new Sony by zerofoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It was evident at CES this year. Samsung is the new Sony. Sure, Samsung is getting into the Apps/Online content thing as well, but as far as hardware goes, Samsung has probably beaten Sony in every arena except for gaming.

    Sony's booth at CES was 200 Sq Ft. bigger than Samsung's booth, but it had half as much product. Samsung, by contrast, had a 30,000 Sq.Ft. booth filled to the rim with gadgets and TVs.

    Good luck with that "software drives the hardware" strategy Sony. Very few companies have been able to succeed at that model - actually, I can only think of one - a fruit company based out of Cupertino....

    -ted

    1. Re:Samsung is the new Sony by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Samsung, by contrast, had a 30,000 Sq.Ft. booth filled to the rim with gadgets and TVs.

      And that's one of the big problems. 1500 different cell phones, monitors, computers, etc. All with exciting names like Sony XV-20039clb (now with tint control!).

      It all gets lost in the ozone and long chain monomer haze. We don't need thousands more products, we need better ones.

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    2. Re:Samsung is the new Sony by Picass0 · · Score: 1

      >> "All with exciting names like Sony XV-20039clb (now with tint control!)."

      What!?! you mean you don't like the name "Samsung Galaxy SII Epic 4G Touch"?

      Shame on you! Go write it on the chalkboard 100 times!

    3. Re:Samsung is the new Sony by timeOday · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Did you see this on SNL last week? Maybe not especially hilarious, but will probably be a staple in marketing seminars for the next 10 years.

    4. Re:Samsung is the new Sony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are wrong, at Apple software never drove the hardware. It was the experience that drove the hardware and software together. Apple wouldn't release one without the other. Even in the case of the x86 switch, Apple still put the same focus on the hardware as the software. Apple drove the experience and the PR to make that experience work. Apple doesn't talk about the high percentage hardware failures and they even force their employees not to talk about it through NDA and marketing to them through PR like good pay, bonuses, etc. They did almost exactly what Microsoft did in regards to beta testing users, the only difference is that Apple did most of the Beta testing themselves on a closed system of hardware. With this system, Apple does all the repairs quickly, keeping most of the bad information out of the press.

  17. What's the next format? by tepples · · Score: 2

    Format changes have demonstrated that there is always a new market in media players

    But after 1080p Blu-ray and 1080p Internet VOD, both of which a PS3 and several other BD players can already handle easily, what's the next format for noninteractive video? I don't see a great leap in media formats like the leap from VHS to DVD or from discs to Internet VOD in the near future, nor even a minor resolution improvement like DVD to BD or 480p VOD to 1080p VOD. Nor do I see 2160p (aka 4K) displays becoming affordable any time soon, especially given that people just recently upgraded to 1080p compared to the decades-long lifetime of 480i.

    1. Re:What's the next format? by HapSlappy_2222 · · Score: 1

      ...what's the next format for noninteractive video?

      Radioactive video!! "Zee gogglez! Zey do nuffink!!"

    2. Re:What's the next format? by TWX · · Score: 1

      High end consumers have often wanted something unaffordable or unavailable to the masses. In the eighties it was Laserdisc. For a time in the nineties it was DVD, and for while recently it was 1080p Blu-Ray. For awhile it will be 3d Blu-Ray, but that is also coming to the masses.

      I predict that movie-theatre-resolution home video will be the next thing. It'll take a few years and will probably start out literally with professional projectors in homes, and then someone will make a high-end consumer-grade version in the same resolution. Eventually TVs will also come in that resolution. Once the videophiles have gotten it and demand slows then the manufacturers will lower prices to get everyone to buy them, reaping the rewards. And the beat goes on.

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    3. Re:What's the next format? by VickiM · · Score: 1

      Where are my parlor walls? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit_451

    4. Re:What's the next format? by RocketRabbit · · Score: 1

      Greater display resolution is pointless. You can not even appreciate the difference between standard definition and HD on a 42" screen unless you are closer than about 6 feet, assuming 20/20 vision.

      If you don't believe me then clearly you haven't done the math.

    5. Re:What's the next format? by TWX · · Score: 1

      Irrevelant. High end consumers will still want it.

      I personally would be able to see a slight difference as my screen is 100".

      Like I said, it'd start with high-end consumers.

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    6. Re:What's the next format? by RocketRabbit · · Score: 1

      Irrelevant. Even with a 100" screen you'd have to be closer than 12' to see the difference between SD and HD (let alone 4K) and any closer than that and you have to crane our neck to see different parts of the screen in your zonal or central field of vision (the area that focuses and watches stuff).

    7. Re:What's the next format? by tepples · · Score: 1

      So in other words, the next format is the equivalent of IMAX.

    8. Re:What's the next format? by P-niiice · · Score: 1

      Greater display resolution is pointless. You can not even appreciate the difference between standard definition and HD on a 42" screen unless you are closer than about 6 feet, assuming 20/20 vision.

      Where did this startling factoid come from? Especially since I have a 37" in my bedroom and the resolution difference is very noticeable.

    9. Re:What's the next format? by RocketRabbit · · Score: 1

      It's not that startling. All you need to do is find out how many DPI the human eye can resolve at a given distance. I would think that it's pretty obvious.

      In case your google skills also suck, I will excerpt for you:

      A 20/20 viewer who can resolve lines 1 mm apart will just be able to see both the line structure and the horizontal pixel structure from a distance of three picture heights.

  18. They need to put brains in their management first by Viol8 · · Score: 2

    Or perhaps put brains in the robots but promote them to management. They couldn't do any worse at the moment!

  19. Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After all their misdeeds, offing themselves the HP way. Honorable.

    1. Re:Finally! by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      I think Sony should go deep into Japanese tradition and kill itself by eating salt, lots and lots of salt.

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  20. The Fall of Grace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When they (Sony) start making a product worth a damn maybe I'll go back to being a customer. Since Sir Singer's reign Sony has only managed to produce overpriced POSs with a Sony brand name slapped across the front. (in my opinion)

  21. Focus on software? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

    For one, they should focus first on security. Sony has been hacked recently in so many and obvious ways, it would make win 3.1 blush.

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    1. Re:Focus on software? by Gravatron · · Score: 1

      I agree, they should track down the hackers and arrange a nice public execution for them.

  22. $3 billion in losses by Anomalyst · · Score: 2

    Couldn't happen to nicer company or investors.

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  23. Step Number One by twmcneil · · Score: 3, Insightful

    First thing Sony needs to do is quit dicking their customers over. Be it intentional (root-kits) or accidental (losing PS Network account data), it must stop. Nothing else that you attempt to do will stand a chance of success until you learn to treat your customers with a wee bit of respect.

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    1. Re:Step Number One by hitmark · · Score: 2

      In essence, divest themselves of Sony Music and Sony Pictures.

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  24. My boycott is working by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know boycotts are written off quickly but I've been carefully to minimize the number of pennies I hand to Sony. I suppose a few have slipped now and then if I rented a movie from a studio that Sony has ownership in, but in all seriousness, I have made a conscious effort not to spend money on their products.

    I know others are doing the same.

  25. huh? by hitmark · · Score: 1

    Sony has not been about hardware since Stringer took office, and everything else was put under the thumb of Sony Music and Pictures.

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  26. 3 billion in losses by Osgeld · · Score: 1

    or not getting 3 billion of what you think you deserve? there is a difference

  27. Sony focusing on software by jtmach · · Score: 1

    May God have mercy on our souls

  28. They should focus on imaging by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

    Imaging is what they do best, at least on consumer to semi-pro level. Their cameras, camcorders and TVs are quite nice. They are also very good at image processing. For example their camcorders have excellent digital stabilization.
    As for software, Sony Vegas is one of the best NLE for small budgets.

    Everything else they do is average quality stuff at best, and they are shitty at everything security-related.

  29. Again and again with this by nilbog · · Score: 1

    It seems like it's yearly now that Sony comes out with some apology or explanation about why they suck along promises to do better. They never do. They already apologized for having crappy software like six years ago.

    Fool me once, shame on me, fool me ninety-nine times and ... well ... you ain't gonna fool me again.

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  30. Apple Envy by specific · · Score: 1

    I've said it for 5+ years now. Sony wishes they were Apple. They've been biting Apple's hardware design for years. Their biggest problem is that they don't have any good software.

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  31. Start with the XMB and PSN Sony. by dstyle5 · · Score: 0

    They need to start by cleaning up the XMB and the PSN web page for starters. I've only had a PS3 for over a year, but from what I've heard they haven't touched the XMB design in years. I find it poorly designed, slow and in need of a refresh. The PSN web page is terrible and feels like it a design from 6 years ago.

    Microsoft on the other hand keeps upgrading and refreshing the XBox dash and web site every 6 months or so. Sure they have had some hits and misses (ie the last dash), but I find I get where I want to go quicker and easier in their dashboard. The XBOX webpage is far superior to the PSN counterpart, you can actually do useful things on it. The PSN web page basically just allows you to see which of your friends are online.

    If Sony is series about looking beyond hardware these are the two places they need to focus their efforts first, IMO.

  32. What happened to the old CEO... by __Paul__ · · Score: 1

    ...who was planning on betting the company on 3d TV?

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  33. quality by ProfBooty · · Score: 1

    You used to pay a premium for Sony quality for consumer grade equipment, wether it was in TVs, monitors, audio etc. When that quality went away, in part when Sony's exports came from places other than Japan, it became hard to justify that premium.

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  34. Re:Sony: customer service = arrogance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yep. After dealing with Sony's customer "service" in Australia, for a product which turned out to have two manufacturing defects, I will never ever buy Sony products again.

    Right down to CDs and batteries.

    The whole company can burn for all I care.

  35. Sony media side killed hardware side by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sony was pretty good at hardware, when they were a hardware company. They made things for the consumer, that do what the consumer wants.

    Then they became hardware and media. The media side didn't like the hardware side making things that did what the consumer wants. They wanted everything locked down. The consumer was no longer being served, and they went seriously downhill. The media side ruined the hardware side.

    Hopefully the media side will continue to ruin Sony, and they will cease to exist.