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Ask Slashdot: How To Evacuate a Network

First time accepted submitter gpowers writes "I am the IT Manager for Shambhala Mountain Center, near Red Feather Lakes, Colorado. We are in the pre-evacuation area for the High Park Fire. What is the best way to load 50+ workstations, 6 servers, IP phones, networking gear, printers and wireless equipment into a 17-foot U-Haul? We have limited packing supplies. We also need to spend as much time as possible working with the fire crew on fire risk mitigation."

331 comments

  1. Insurance policy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Get one?

    1. Re:Insurance policy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Doesn't cover pre-existing conditions (fire).

    2. Re:Insurance policy? by rioki · · Score: 1

      Although it might not be covered by the given policy, my advice would be let it burn down and buy new hardware. But apparently that is the case.

  2. Uh... by memoreks · · Score: 5, Funny

    Quickly?

    1. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Off Site Disaster Recovery and Fire Insurance?

    2. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Offsite backup at the very least. Save your data and your people, and let the insurance company take care of the hardware. Loss of productivity is a problem, but you're going to have that anyway.

    3. Re:Uh... by arth1 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Offsite backup at the very least. Save your data and your people, and let the insurance company take care of the hardware. Loss of productivity is a problem, but you're going to have that anyway.

      Mod parent AC up, please. Spending time on emptying buildings of hardware which should be insured anyhow is in the best case stupid, and could even be hazardous - if it holds up evacuating the area of humans as much as a minute, it's criminal sabotage of an evacuation.
      You're not even supposed to grab your coat when a building is evacuated. Much less hardware.

    4. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wow, way to plan for disaster. You should already have had the systems transfered either to a clowd or to your remote site. If you do not you've failed.

      So what this gentleman says is correct. If you've not labeled everything including cables and have detailed drawings of the installations wiring you've failed.

      So what you do is get out your label maker and tools, shut it all down and label everything. Then pack it as best you can in the truck. You can expect 30-40 percent startup failure when you get them installed and attempt a startup.

      You might just want to consider building your next IT center in a shipping container that can be detached and loaded on to a semi. Done properly your UPS and AC systems would keep them alive until you could get to an alternate location with power and network which you should already have contracted for in advance.

    5. Re:Uh... by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      Quickly?

      Yeah, just get them in the van.

      As fast as possible. Too late to make fancy plans now.

      At most you can sketch a floorplan and number them with a sharpie as you grab them.

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    6. Re:Uh... by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Informative

      You're not even supposed to grab your coat when a building is evacuated. Much less hardware.

      That's when it's an emergency.

      This is more like: "There'll be an emergency a couple of hours from now..."

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    7. Re:Uh... by TemplePilot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You might just want to consider building your next IT center in a shipping container that can be detached and loaded on to a semi. Done properly your UPS and AC systems would keep them alive until you could get to an alternate location with power and network which you should already have contracted for in advance.

      Nods, and seconded... motion to carry.

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    8. Re:Uh... by goodmanj · · Score: 3, Informative

      Agree. You evacuate a network the same way you evacuate your building's other utilities (water, electrical, furniture) -- you don't. That's what insurance is for.

      Your insurance company will pay to replace anything that's damaged by the fire. They probably won't replace anything that's damaged as you evacuate and re-occupy, or for the work needed to put it all back together. Yes, this is a "moral hazard" situation, but that's not your problem.

    9. Re:Uh... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Funny

      Surely the firewall should hold out longer than that?

    10. Re:Uh... by deniable · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Take lots of photos. Quick phone camera photos can help put things back right and are quicker than scribbling notes.

    11. Re:Uh... by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're not even supposed to grab your coat when a building is evacuated. Much less hardware.

      That's exactly correct. I've known people that literally got out naked (having been asleep), but they got out of a fire alive. If you know the fire is a risk and you can't replace the hardware for lack of insurance then the move should already be happening now...
      "We moved all the stuff for no reason" beats "We lost everything because we waited" every time in the Thoughts of Tomorrow game.

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    12. Re:Uh... by icebike · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Looking at the Map there is nothing to worry about.

      His building is far from any significant stand of trees. Two guys with chainsaws and another driving a 4 wheel drive truck can
      drop every tree close to the building in 20 minutes, and tow them to an open field.

      Use a backup generator to keep his well pumping (if no city water) and put a lawn sprinkers on the roof.
      One wonders if this wasn't just out out there to drive traffic to his website.

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    13. Re:Uh... by mysidia · · Score: 5, Informative

      Your insurance company will pay to replace anything that's damaged by the fire.

      Insurance does not cover any damage that should have been prevented or was caused as a result of culpable negligence, when the org intentionally passed up a reasonable opportunity to mitigate or prevent the damage.

      If you had an opportunity to mitigate or prevent the fire damage because there was sufficient warning, and you intentionally avoided mitigating the damage, that a reasonable person would have taken actions to prevent, then your reckless inaction likely means that the insurance company is not obligated to pay for the fire damage that resulted from your inaction.

    14. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if its an emergency grab the data and go. rest should be covered by insurance if you have it. if not prioritize by data and monetary vs. time left. So servers might be x, but they take longer but workstations are y but theres more of them it might be more fiscaly responsible to grab the work stations and the hard drives out of the server..

    15. Re:Uh... by unixisc · · Score: 2

      Offsite back-up is right, like in the cloud. That way, once they get new equipment, they can always restore what's been lost.

      If it was an emergency, such as a current fire, what you say is right. But if it is one of those wildfires which is spreading and which threatens to toast that place, and they do have time to salvage and retrieve their equipment, why not. Although I find it strange that they can't just get enough packing equipment from U-Haul, which in addition to trucks, does sell packing supplies

    16. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't load. Just drive away. Build a shack out the back door. Heavily Insulate Shack. Park a truck with a good diesel engine in it, in the shack. This is a box truck. Place racks in the box. Put servers in racks. Run cabling to servers. Duct hot out the top, and cold in from the commercial AC unit, that can run off the engine/generator, or standard room AC.

      When conditions are normal, you have a server room, with self contained diesel generator, A/C, and ducting.

      When conditions are "sub-optimal" open the door in the side of the shack, and drive the fscking systems off site, complete with A/C, and a diesel generator. Feed them ethernet, and you are back up and running.

      Oh, for the workstations. Use PCOIP monitors, and VMWare view. so instead of 50 workstations and 6 servers, you have 10 servers, and zero workstations. Put 10 or 20 pcoip monitors in the truck, and when you park, unload them, feed the truck ethernet, and your people can go to work.

      No offense, but you guys are WAY over working this for 50 servers, much less 6 servers and some workstations.

    17. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as you've paid Cisco your regular Smartnet extortion.

    18. Re:Uh... by Z00L00K · · Score: 2

      Let each employee take care of his/her workstation and let the IT staff worry about the servers and data.

      And do a quick prioritization - machines ripe for upgrade anyway can be left behind.

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    19. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      offsite, or just grab the disks (label them, so you know what is what), and leave the rest.

    20. Re:Uh... by ColaMan · · Score: 1

      Done properly your UPS and AC systems would keep them alive until you could get to an alternate location with power and network which you should already have contracted for in advance.

      With all your precious data sitting on ruined platters.

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    21. Re:Uh... by jovius · · Score: 1

      I worked as a roadie a few years ago and the companies that provide the service have optimized it as far as it goes. The sound equipment needs to be installed as quick as possible and taken down as quick as possible to the next destination.

      One solution would be to order custom made equipment cases in which the suitable hardware will be installed in and secured. The cases would have (lockable) wheels on back and all you need to do is to disconnect some main multicore wire (in which all of the wires are bundled), turn the cases to their wheels, close the covers and push them to the truck.

      Same goes for random stuff, and there would be designated cases for designated workstations etc. Also everything needs to be ready to be coordinately uninstalled.

      With correct size cases you can use the space in the truck really efficiently too.

    22. Re:Uh... by zidium · · Score: 1

      Are you sure you didn't mean the Google SkyNet Protection Policy [in the Mafia sense of "protection"]?

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    23. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Mod parent and grandparent down, please, and tell both posters what doofuses they are. In hurricane country, do you think people are stupid for taking time to board up windows before leaving too? No. Spending time saving property when a natural disaster or like phenomenon is known to be on the way but remains hours or possibly days away from impacting you is, in fact, a DESIRABLE thing to do. Less property is destroyed. Less time and effort is spent replacing the property. Less time is spent filing insurance paperwork.

      Perhaps you're in California and have earthquakes on the brain. It's quite different. This is not "get out or we're all going to die" situation. This is a "be ready to leave town if we tell you to" situation. Sure, if the guys in charge of evacuation tell you "leave IMMEDIATELY omgfire" then you do, and save the people, and throw away the property. But it doesn't always come to that.

    24. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There is, in fact, a radical difference between a structural fire which strikes without warning, and a wildfire which burns for days or weeks at a time and whose progress is tracked by state and federal agencies. If you are basing your disaster response plan for the latter off your conceptions of the former your'e doing it wrong.

    25. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pull out the cable(s) ???

      It don't get any easier.

    26. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Save your data and your people....

      He said "evacuate network", NOT "evacuate office(block)/highrise/whatever".

    27. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and Carefully... including watching out for grounding/static.

    28. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alternatively: encase your server room in something that can survive the fire (fireproof safe?).
      When leaving, unplug all the cables going out, roll them up and throw them into the safe.
      Lock the door. Trigger the fire- and heat-suppressing systems in the now-airtight locked server room.
      Leave.
      Come back after fire.
      Clean up the mess.
      Run servers.

    29. Re:Uh... by lanswitch · · Score: 2

      Your'e looking at the wrong scale. The company needs a complete contingency plan for all kinds of threats. The OP's question is just a small part of his problem.

      I've seen buildings burn down. I've talked to the guy who went into a burning building to rescue the backup tapes. Do you want that to be in your job description?Planning for failure is not fun, but it's part of the job.

    30. Re:Uh... by JWSmythe · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, it depends on where you are. In the Los Angeles area, they have fires sprout up all over. When it's very dry and there's a good wind, those fires can move *very* fast. It is possible that when you go home one day, there wasn't a fire. The next morning when you show up, the area may have already been evacuated, or your building is a lovely pile of ash and molten computer parts.

      When I moved away from LA, two days before we were to leave, a wildfire started several miles away. The day before we were to leave, we could see it on the next hill, about 1/2 mile away. We left early. The fire continued into the neighborhood after we left.

      Disaster planning isn't suppose to be "we can take all the stuff out when the problem happens". It's suppose to be "Some spontaneous event happened, and we've lost all of our equipment." It should be dramatic enough to believe the building spontaneously collapsed, a meteor the size of a cit bus fell on it, or a tornado blew it away.

      So, to address the summary, plan for the equipment to be a total loss, and that you'll have to restore from off-site backups.

      What I'd do, if I happened to be there, would be to grab the servers, the C-level and Director level workstations (abandon the monitors, keyboards, and mice), and leave the rest. Hopefully everything is on the servers. It's not practical to consider moving 50 workstations, monitors, keyboards, and phones. I'd sure hope their insurance is up to date. We all know that top brass will pitch a fit if their computers are destroyed, which is the only reason for considering them.

      There are probably at least a few departments who will need their files (accounting, HR, and sales). For most businesses, that'd fill up the 17' truck pretty quick by itself. That's a good time to talk to the boss about the paperless office concept, off-site backups, and a proper disaster plan.

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    31. Re:Uh... by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

      Your insurance company will pay to replace anything that's damaged by the fire.

      Insurance does not cover any damage that should have been prevented or was caused as a result of culpable negligence, when the org intentionally passed up a reasonable opportunity to mitigate or prevent the damage.

      If you had an opportunity to mitigate or prevent the fire damage because there was sufficient warning,
      and you intentionally avoided mitigating the damage, that a reasonable person would have taken actions
      to prevent, then your reckless inaction likely means that the insurance company is not obligated to pay
      for the fire damage that resulted from your inaction.

      You use words that are not quantifiable.

      Who decides what is sufficient and what is reasonable? The insurance company that values shareholder value (ie money) over lives that they're not insuring?

      What is the limit of what is reasonable? One week? One day? One hour? One minute?

      How much risk should people have to incur with their lives or their health to save money for corporations?

      Is this computer gear worth the lives of the people loading the u-haul die because someone misjudges the speed that the fire is moving?

      No, I agree with those who say that when there is an evacuation that people should evacuate - not waste time loading computer equipment into moving vans.

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    32. Re:Uh... by JustOK · · Score: 1

      I wish I was jewish so I could say "oi vay" properly.

      There's smoke. There's heat. There's other combustibles in the area. There's a limit to what "lawn" sprinklers can do.

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    33. Re:Uh... by michelcolman · · Score: 1, Funny

      Even simpler: shut off the electricity, seal all the doors and windows, then flood the entire building. Once the fire is gone, let the water out, wait for everything to dry up, switch on the electricity again. Easy!

    34. Re:Uh... by Inda · · Score: 1

      You know, I'm one of those dicks at works that has the yellow hat, torch and that fine status of Fire Warden (feel my power).

      You've got three minutes.

      I've seen endless videos where the first flame is seen and the stopwatch is started. Even on fire retardant furniture, the legal norm here, you have three minutes before you're unconscious from the smoke. There's no placing a wet towel over your head, you are already dead from the smoke. Smoke. Dead. Three minutes.

      Get out. Don't be a sheep and follow everyone - nearest exit is what you need. Don't be a mindless drone and leave by the same door you entered in the morning (human nature) - the nearest exit is what you need.

      As for saving stuff - you'll get more stuff. Leave it. Fuck it all. You have three minutes.

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    35. Re:Uh... by rioki · · Score: 1

      Totally true for a acute fire situation. But they are in the middle of an evacuation, I don't know about the time frame, but there is time for reasonable action to mitigate damage. But I must agree with most posters that actual loss of hardware should not be a priority. But getting the backup tapes and the HDD of any significant Exec should in order here.

    36. Re:Uh... by rioki · · Score: 1

      Bzzzzzzt... Why do I smell burnt plastic. Man I think something was no dry yet.

    37. Re:Uh... by TapeCutter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Agree the two types of fire are different but what you describe as a 'wildfire' sounds more like a controlled burn.

      The Black Saturday fire front here in Oz was moving at 120kmh due to gale force winds coming off the desert, it did most of the damage in a single afternoon. Spot fires were being ignited 20km downwind from the main front which was creating its own local winds due to the massive column of hot smoke rising 15km into the atmosphere. The 3000degC heat from the fire front was leathal at a range of 200 meters, one (un)lucky survivor had his windsceen melt and drip onto his legs while he was taking cover under the dashboard wrapped in a heavy wool blanket. Another similar bushfire I wittnesed up close and personal was the Ash Wednesday fires, both fires continued to burn more or less harmlessly for weeks after the damage was done, at one stage the AW front streached unbroken from Canberra to Mallacoota (~500km)

      Yes you may have a few hours warning if your lucky (ie: phone/power/repeaters are still working), but most of time the only warning is a lot of smoke and no bird noises, it makes the roads just as confusing as a smoke filled building, you have no idea where the fire front is or which way it's headed until a 100m high wall of fire runs over you at high speed. Admittedly the Black Saturday fire is an extreme example but a bushfire front moving at highway speeds is not uncommon in this country and I believe smaller fire fronts in California can also reach similar speeds when driven by strong desert winds or running up the side of the Hollywood hills. Footage I've seen of these looks very similar, I recall seeing a yellow timber mansion sitting on top of the ridge, it was being filmed at a distance by a helicopter crew, it's heavily smouldering walls literally exploded into flame before the front even got to them. Much like a piece of paper bursts into flame when held above a candle flame.

      Of course as you imply the smart thing to do for any fire is to have a plan before the fire starts, If you invest some non-trivial thought, money, and effort into things like not putting your mansion on top of a natural blow tourch, water tanks, roof sprinklers, pumps, dug-outs, fire-proof windows/shutters, etc, you and your property can stay and fight the worst firestorm, it's a safe bet that at least you will come out the other side relatively unscathed. If you're like most people and your plan is to evacuate, then evacuate, don't fuck around loading a 17 foot trailer or looking for the cat. The servers can be replaced, the trailer is a fucking Albotross on a smoke filled road where you may have difficulty seeing past your hood ornament and may be directed to turn around by fire fighters, and the cat can cope with a bushfire much better than you can.

      *You - Not 'you' the AC, rather 'you' the Darwin award candidate that posted the question. A final piece of advise from someone who has wittnessed several serious bushfires first hand, if you are already working with the local fire brigade then ask them for advise on an evacuation plan in the case of bushfire rather than slashdot. I'm certainly no expert but looking at the immediate topology around the center (in 2d via google maps) it looks like the property sits on a small hill that itself sits at the bottom of a large natural bowl in the mountains, it also has a creek or river on one edge. Maybe with their help it would be relatively simple project to set up and defend the property as an official refuge point for the area. Which, if I'm guessing right, would be the kind of thing the center would be eager to advertise to their customers and insurance broker. ;)

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    38. Re:Uh... by Bensam123 · · Score: 1

      True, but in our country we value materialistic possessions over peoples lives. And when it comes down to it, people can say 'oh, you should leave right away as every life is precious', but when it comes time for insurance to pay up they go 'oh you had time and your negligence lead to this loss of materials'.

      Capitalism at it's finest. Ever see that commercial where the guy is in the operating room and they're waiting for his credit to clear before they operate on him? Yeah, that's not far from the truth even though it was supposed to be a joke.

      Insurance is supposed to cover things like this, but insurance is a business and a very profitable one at that as there is a lot of wiggle room for the person with the bigger pockets.

    39. Re:Uh... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Yup.

      The local fire warden liked my answer when he asked us what would we do in case of a fire.

      I mentioned that I would, because I am on the first floor, take a chair and throw it through the window in the glass wall to make a 3rd emergency exit.

      He really liked that answer and mentioned that they have found people dead near windows. Dont be afraid to "hulk smash" your way out of a building.

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    40. Re:Uh... by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      I'll go with what AC says. IF, after doing a good backup, and you know that ll your people can evacuate safely, THEN you might start unplugging the most expensive, most critical hardware. No packing materials? Oh well - stuff it all on the floor of the trailer, wedge everything together as tightly as possible, and GO with it.

      If you leave it behind, and the fire consumes the structure, it's a total loss. If you more or less toss shit into the trailer, and it gets damaged during the evacuation, you haven't lost any more, or any less, than the fire was going to destroy anyway. Pack as carefully as possible, under the conditions, but don't let packing/packaging concerns slow you down.

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    41. Re:Uh... by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

      "There'll be an emergency a couple of hours from now..."

      Thank god for that, it gives me just enough time to ask slashdot what to do with 50 servers and a 17' trailer.

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    42. Re:Uh... by flappinbooger · · Score: 1

      If you actually have HOURS, I guess it would be in this order: People, backups, any critical physical documents, most expensive device, next most expensive device, then the next most expensive device....

      As far as how to transport said devices... if you only have hours it would probably come down to back seats and trunks. If you can go and rent a truck from the place down the street, cardboard boxes and moving blankets.

      If you have more time than that and you can actually source bubblewrap and such, you don't have an emergency.

      If you have minutes, obviously grab the backup tape(s) as you all run to the shelter or whatever. This is what offsite backups and "paperless offices" are for. SHTF you just run because the information is safe.

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    43. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ^what he said is spot on^

      As an employee of EMC I know a thing or two about DR. Forget the equipment. Keep the people safe and ensure all your data is stored in a secondary off site location.

    44. Re:Uh... by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      Then you can always just call the insurance company.

    45. Re:Uh... by arth1 · · Score: 2

      Mod parent and grandparent down, please, and tell both posters what doofuses they are. In hurricane country, do you think people are stupid for taking time to board up windows before leaving too?

      If it means buying the boards and hammer at the time you hear about the hurricane? Hell, yes!
      You are then one of those who jeopardize others by being the last ones out, causing endless non-moving lanes of traffic and broken down vehicles.

      I hail from a port where every house had iron bolted storm shutters, and sturdy ropes to string between the houses. That's preparedness. Boarding up windows is panic due to lack of preparedness.

    46. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Off-site backup, servers and network on a rack with wheels, thin clients (leave them behind) and INSURANCE + off-site backup

    47. Re:Uh... by wed128 · · Score: 1

      Thank god for the offsite backup.

    48. Re:Uh... by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 1

      The insurance company decides, and if you don't like the decisions, then the courts decide (at your expense). Nobody is in danger of dying from the fire in a pre-evacuation zone.

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    49. Re:Uh... by FatAlb3rt · · Score: 1

      Disagree - anything you can do to save yourself work later is worth looking at. Rebuild a server just because insurance will cover it? Sure, have at it. That's why I board up my windows when we're in the path of a hurricane. Insurance will cover it, but I'd rather not have to live in a motel for 6 weeks.

    50. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      clowd? is that a clown daemon?

    51. Re:Uh... by bigredradio · · Score: 1

      No, it's a Lee Clow daemon. man clowd. Psft.... n00b!

    52. Re:Uh... by citab · · Score: 1

      +1 .... get the hell out of there... nothing is worth risking your life and the lives of the crew that would need to be sent to save you when you can't get out.

    53. Re:Uh... by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      As someone who had a customer have his office burn to the ground I can't stress offsite backups enough, as i was able to get his makeshift office up and running and the important data restored while he was on the phone with the insurance company.

      BTW a disaster like that shows, at least to me, that having a little human decency does bring karmic rewards. he was having hell there for a little while getting the mess with the insurance company straightened out so i just pulled some P4s and Pentium Ds out of my shop along with the accessories he'd need and told him basically "just use these until the mess is straightened out, then we'll build you some more decent machines" honestly not expecting anything more than a thanks when the job was over and not only did i get $400 above the cost of the job, and a nice new monitor which I'm using for my home system, but he spread the word about how I had done him right and ended up with several thousand more in business simply from him giving me good word of mouth to many of his customers.

      So always remember in a bad situation like that ultimately its the people and not the hardware that matters. gear can always be replaced but never forget the human cost, the lives disrupted and chaos in those lives, and be sure to be a little extra understanding in what will surely be a rough time for all. A little human decency and compassion can go a long way in hard times.

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    54. Re:Uh... by PhilHibbs · · Score: 1

      He's only asking how to save the physical kit, I assume the critical data is already handled.

    55. Re:Uh... by Danathar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Can we change

      "Save your data and your people"

      to

      "Save your PEOPLE and your data"

      ??

    56. Re:Uh... by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1

      Make sure you practice. I witnessed a chair thrown at a window in anger and it bounced off, injuring the thrower. No, it wasn't at microsoft.

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    57. Re:Uh... by Firethorn · · Score: 2

      He still makes a good point. I've read about fire prevention tactics. Turns out that we CAN build stuff that survives the worst wildfires possible, to the point that firefighters have sheltered in them in emergencies. Heck, in my time with the department they were getting tents that could protect a single fighter through a grass fire(nasty fast) that can be deployed in less than 30 seconds by said fighter.

      The sprinklers aren't to stop a fire right alongside the building, the sprinklers are to keep blown cinders, possibly from miles away, from igniting the building. The water keeps the roof wet, making it harder to ignite, and the continued flow helps put out any cinders that land. Heck, washing them to the gutters wouldn't hurt(there's more water in them anyways).

      On buildings - Brick and metal siding, metal/shale roof. Surround with fire resistant plants out to an appropriate distance, keep the grass well mowed. It's a bit like planning for a siege(by fire). Deny fuel close to the building so you don't get a raging fire right next to the building, have fire resistant barriers that prevent ignition via blown cinders that you simply can't have a cleared field big enough to prevent.

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    58. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh indeed. Having an opportunity to mitigate damage doesn't mean you should actually take it. Now the OP is in a "pre-evac" area meaning the order hasn't been given so they have some time, but that still doesn't mean a reasonable attempt at damage mitigation means getting a moving company in there. Certain losses are to be expected, and in their case I would chiefly be concerned with business continuity. If they have time to grab gear, then start with the biz-critical stuff first and get other equipment if there is time, but really there should be an offsite backup (likely isn't, but yeah).

      A reasonable person isn't going to get in the way of a wildfire. I live near this area and can tell you it was advancing at upwards of 40 feet per minute the day it started, has burned over 180 homes in 58,000 acres, and already killed someone. Pre-evac in this case means "take the bare minimum, put it in a couple boxes, and be ready to haul ass". Evac means get the hell out now. The forest here is very dry with a LOT of usable fuel, and temps are supposed to push 100 degrees today with high winds that have grounded the water-attack choppers already, not a drop of rain in sight. It's a seriously dangerous situation and not something one should consider messing with.

      Having a business in a forest fire-prone area, one would think disaster recovery would be a top priority and the workstations could be replaced with no data loss, but that probably isn't the case here. A lot of folks will learn the hard way after losing everything else as well.

    59. Re:Uh... by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      Really should be very easy. Grab your insurance paperwork and your backups. Shouldn't even need a U-haul. Let everyone else go home to collect their families and heirlooms and what not to make sure they're safe. If you have access to the irrigation system turn it on. Get everything good and wet. The fire fighters will be more likely to help if it looks like it's been taken care of.

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    60. Re:Uh... by arth1 · · Score: 1

      I agree. Although people are part of data too - there's a lot of data in their wetware, and it's seldom backed up properly. So even cold-hearted bastards should consider saving their people first.

    61. Re:Uh... by hardie · · Score: 1

      You clearly aren't familiar with how dry this area of Colorado is. The fires are a lot more extreme than you are imagining.

    62. Re:Uh... by anyGould · · Score: 1

      Assuming you don't have offsite backup, then I'd focus on servers and desktops - anything with a hard drive. Hell with the monitors and switches and networking equipment - that's all replaceable. Take what you can't buy replacements for (read: YOUR DATA), everything else is bonus if time permits.

    63. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get out. Don't be a sheep and follow everyone - nearest exit is what you need.

      Oddly, my workplace's evacuation plan dictates which door I'm supposed to use, and mine is clear across the building from my desk. (Apparently there's too many other people who are supposed to use the door that's six feet away, so I get to go clear across the building during drills.

      Needless to say, in the case of an actual fire (y'know, when there's a hint that this might not just because a forklift hit a sprinkler), I'm going out the door behind me.

    64. Re:Uh... by mysidia · · Score: 1

      How much risk should people have to incur with their lives or their health to save money for corporations?

      They are only able to expect options for mitigating the damage that would not require putting someone's life or property in immediate danger; some of the options available such as fireproofing could actually reduce the hazards to human life in the present or in the future. If you are in a PRE-evacuation zone, then by definition, evacuation of humans is not yet critical, it is still safe for humans to be in the area: it would be an opportune period of time to take advise of the cautionary note and evacuate valuable assets in anticipation of a later necessity to completely evacuate humans and pets.

      Who decides what is sufficient and what is reasonable? The insurance company that values shareholder value (ie money) over lives that they're not insuring?

      The insurance adjuster will make a decision on the matter, ACCEPT or DENY the claim. If you disagree, you have legal arbitration options. They will consider things like... how much warning did you have... and what did you do with that advance warning time?

      If you did not take the appropriate prepratory or mitigation actions: it's something you have to justify at that time.

      What is the limit of what is reasonable? One week? One day? One hour? One minute?

      Sufficient time to act, with sufficiently strong evidence that action is required. One hour is probably not sufficient time to mitigate much damage. If you left your car in the driveway, and evacuated on foot, for no good reason, and the car was destroyed in the blaze, they might exclude the damage to your car, because a reasonable person would have driven the car out of harm's way.

      A day or two's advance notice is sufficient time to hire a bunch of help to haul lots of stuff out of harms way.

      Hauling stuff may not actually be necessary -- taking actions to "fireproof" the place as sufficiently as possible may be preferred. Buildings are often more valuable than their contents, even when there is expensive equipment.

      You should be able to show you didn't just take no action, for the sake of taking no action, expecting the insurance company to pay the extra money in damage you would have caused by not making efforts to reduce damage.

    65. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take all data drives out! You have to keep it live? Dont waste time in backups. Easy for desktops, etc, hard for laptops. You might try saving the motherboards and/or at least the uncommon peripherals. Should be easy to shut down to one server, evacuate, restart a server, go back for the last one, though only you know what logistics would work OK.

    66. Re:Uh... by ColaMan · · Score: 1

      well, yeah, but the implication was you keep everything spinning and "just plug 'er back in!"

      Hardware isn't *that* expensive these days and it seems like a lot of effort/expense for fairly small return. I've priced containerised data centres and it ain't cheap. Especially compared to the rather low monthly cost of insurance premiums, which should replace your hardware should things take a turn for the worse.

      Then you've got to ask whether your current insurance will insure all your equipment when it's out of the insured premises moving at 60mph ..... sounds like something insurance companies would gladly wash their hands of.

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    67. Re:Uh... by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

      How much risk should people have to incur with their lives or their health to save money for corporations?
      They are only able to expect options for mitigating the damage that would not require putting someone's life
      or property in immediate danger; some of the options available such as fireproofing could actually reduce the hazards to human life in the present or in the future.

      Excellent. Whatever the published standards for fireproofing are, they should certainly be adhered to. We're not talking about fireproofing though, but rather about taking the time to evacuate material objects versus the risk to human life for those charged with the duty by the company they work for.

      If you are in a PRE-evacuation zone, then by definition, evacuation of humans is not yet critical, it is still safe for humans to be in the area: it would be an opportune period of time to take advise of the cautionary note and evacuate valuable assets in anticipation of a later necessity to completely evacuate humans and pets.
      Who decides what is sufficient and what is reasonable? The insurance company that values shareholder value (ie money) over lives that they're not insuring?
      The insurance adjuster will make a decision on the matter, ACCEPT or DENY the claim.

      My personal experience with insurance adjusters (aka experts) is that they DENY everything but whatever. The point again is that you're putting the decision about personal safety (in the form of pressure for people to stay and evacuate insured material objects) into the hands of a company that cares only about money.

      If you disagree, you have legal arbitration options.

      Unless you're dead, in which case your options are somewhat more limited.

      They will consider things like... how much warning did you have... and what did you do with that advance warning time?
      If you did not take the appropriate prepratory or mitigation actions: it's something you have to justify at that time.

      Again you use a non-quantifiable word 'appropriate' which is too subjective to negate the risk to human life in the current discussion, and you are still leaving that decision not in the hands of people who care about the people in question, but in the conference rooms of an insurance company that, again, only cares about money.

      What is the limit of what is reasonable? One week? One day? One hour? One minute?
      Sufficient time to act, with sufficiently strong evidence that action is required. One hour is probably not sufficient time to mitigate much damage. If you left your car in the driveway, and evacuated on foot, for no good reason, and the car was destroyed in the blaze, they might exclude the damage to your car, because a reasonable person would have driven the car out of harm's way.

      So if you have to walk out and you decide not to carry your desk computer with you they wouldn't insure it?

      I would say that they would attempt to not pay, as insurance companies attempt to not pay for anything at all. They might even win in court because they tend to have rather a lot of lawyers but that doesn't mean that it's right.

      To return to your example of the person leaving the car, if the person in question left the car there would always be a reason for it and even if there were not, a person being unreasonable (ie mentally ill or otherwise of reduced mental capacity) shouldn't be a justification to not pay out for something that the company has charged and received money to insure.

      A day or two's advance notice is sufficient time to hire a bunch of help to haul lots of stuff out of harms way.

      Maybe, and maybe not. Depends on the availability of the 'help', the transportation method (ie if there's a u-haul left to rent) and how much 'stuff' we're talking about. These values are never going to be constant and thus cannot be clearly stipulated.

      Hauling stuff may not actually be necessary -- taking actions to "fireproof" the place as

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    68. Re:Uh... by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

      The insurance company decides, and if you don't like the decisions, then the courts decide (at your expense).

      Oh, well that's fair. (and yes I'm being ironic)

       

      Nobody is in danger of dying from the fire in a pre-evacuation zone.

      Until the fire gets there.

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    69. Re:Uh... by mysidia · · Score: 1

      The point again is that you're putting the decision about personal safety (in the form of pressure for people to stay and evacuate insured material objects) into the hands of a company that cares only about money.

      No you're not. Only their opinion about whether they have to pay you anything after the fact is in their hands. As long as you are truthful about it, you can make the decision that maximizes safety every time, at risk of the damage not being covered, you always have that option.

      Again you use a non-quantifiable word 'appropriate' which is too subjective to negate the risk to human life in the current discussion, and you are still leaving that decision not in the hands of people who care about the people in question

      I am not leaving it in their hands. The fact of the matter is the decision is in their hands, whether I like it or not. It is subjective, and the definitions are between you, your insurance company, and ultimately the courts, but the insurance company's contract language usually wins.

      So if you have to walk out and you decide not to carry your desk computer with you they wouldn't insure it?

      It depends. Ultimately that is up to you and your insurer, and whatever compromise they are able to reach to avoid you suing them, but you must be honest about it when they ask, that is, not hiding information or making false statements in regards to the claim is what is legally required of you.

      shouldn't be a justification to not pay out for something that the company has charged and received money to insure.

      Sure it should be. Cars are not unconditionally insured against all possible things that can cause damage. They are insured by a policy against damage that occurs to them as a result of certain kinds of events under certain circumstances spelled out in a policy.

      Intentional damage, or damage that arose as a result of negligence by the owner or failure to exercise reasonable care is almost always excluded. If such damage were covered, the insurance policy would be much more expensive, because the risk would be much higher to the insurer.

      Maybe, and maybe not. Depends on the availability of the 'help', the transportation method (ie if there's a u-haul left to rent) and how much 'stuff' we're talking about. These values are never going to be constant and thus cannot be clearly stipulated.

      Sure. However, if you make the effort to find/hire the help needed and cannot, the effort counts as attempts to mitigate damage, provided you maintain appropriate documentation.

      These objects are located at a specific place, and that place has an estimated risk of a fire coming and wiping it out. If the insurance company doesn't want to pay then they shouldn't be collecting the money to insure it.

      If the policy says that negligence by the owner is excluded, then you are required to be non-negligent, which includes taking the available precautions.

      If you do not, then you increase the risk, which means higher cost on average to the insurance company. If such were to be covered by the policy, the premium would be much higher.

    70. Re:Uh... by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

      You're talking about the way things are. I'm talking about the way things should be.

      I've given you my opinion on this and I don't think I have much more to say on it.

      I do appreciate your responses and the time and effort you've put into them, thank you.

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    71. Re:Uh... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Structural fires are so dangerous because they don't burn open. Sure, with wild fires the ground can literally burn (all the buried biomass) and reignite, but the enclosed structural fires hold the heat in until everything in the room catches fire at once, killing anyone left in that room, and the next person to open the door (provided they aren't a fireman expecting such conditions), as flashovers quickly create backdraft conditions.

    72. Re:Uh... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Fires spread through embers more than anything else. Lawn sprinkers on the roof and no gaps under the building and no trees closer than 50 yards, and the building will not catch fire. And yes, the lawn sprinklers make a difference.

    73. Re:Uh... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      That's in a closed building, not a wild fire miles away that *might* change directions to head you way.

    74. Re:Uh... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      I would say that's a really bad thing. Lots of people die from that (cutting themselves crawling through broken windows). Not to mention that all the firewalls and fire doors designed to slow fires are useless if the windows are broken. And it fuels the fire with more oxygen.

      And yes, I am a fireman.

      If you have no other choice, smash. If you have any other options, trying them is likely better.

  3. WTF kind of question is this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Seriously... you're a geek... use your own imagination. This question is just plain idiotic. Not that it's any surprise that it would be on Slashdot these days....

    1. Re:WTF kind of question is this by Tim12s · · Score: 2

      Fully agree with this AC. If this is a geek/nerd posting this question you should be ashamed of yourself. I was expecting some sort of photographic evidence with layout and resulting HOWTO. HOWTO: Evacuate your data-centre quickly.

      1. Highlight highest value equipment first
      2. Arrange the physical design of the data-centre to quickly remove priority rack-mounted equipment first.
      3. Prioritize: Stuff not currently backed up; expensive equipment.
      4. Flood the place with flame retardant before leaving.
      5. etc

  4. Welll... by Dieppe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Less posting to Slashdot would be step 1...

    1. Re:Welll... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      Take the hard disks and RUN!

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    2. Re:Welll... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

      And leave all of the Mountain Dew behind. When the fire hits, they will heat up, explode and smother the flames.

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    3. Re:Welll... by jhoegl · · Score: 1

      pretty much. Dude really doesnt have that much inventory...

    4. Re:Welll... by br0ked · · Score: 0

      I will open the Mountain Dew and pour it all over myself to run in and out of a burning building before I leave any helpless cans of Mountain Dew to fend for themselves!!!!!!

  5. Prioritize by Ravensfire · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Pack what's critical first. Servers. Critical networking gear. Workstations. Ignore the phones, printers and wireless gear unless you've got extra time. And good luck.

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    1. Re:Prioritize by jvillain · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have to agree prioritizing is key. Fires are live creatures and can go from bad to disastrous in a flash. Get the data first which includes databases, file servers etc.

      When it comes to packing if you have limited packing supplies focus on the most critical and hard to replace stuff first. If you don't have enough stuff to package every thing then at least make sure that nothing can move around or fall over in the truck. All most every thing is built tough enough to handle a trip down even a mountain road as long as you drive slow and stuff isn't falling over and rubbing against each other. Every thing can be a packing supply. Coats, boxes. blankets, carpet, string, rope, cables etc.

      Good luck and if you feel up to it give us an update when you are done.

    2. Re:Prioritize by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Pack what's critical first. Servers. Critical networking gear. Workstations. Ignore the phones, printers and wireless gear unless you've got extra time. And good luck.

      Quick-disconnect hard drives. Everything else can be replaced by insurance, but your data can't. With what you've got listed above, I could hike out with your company in my backpack. The other thing is, consider the health and safety in your disaster recovery plan -- you should not expect, nor ask, your employees to stay until the last possible moment packing in equipment. Equipment can be replaced... lives cannot. Nobody should ever risk their life for an inanimate object in a business environment.

      The other thing is, you should have a disaster recovery plan that includes regular backups to an offsite facility. Any disaster plan should be able to cope with "and then a giant foot appeared above the building and squished it flat." Yours should be no different. It might not be a wild fire that threatens your servers... it could be a UPS that shorts out, or a tornado, flood, a failed fire suppression unit, or simple human incompetence (Yes, I've seen stupidity kill buildings).

      Any plan that relies on people staying in danger to save your business unethical, immoral, and probably illegal. So save what you can reasonably and without risk take, in descending order of importance... but recognize that there may be situations in which the only solution is to exit the building at a dead run and not look back.

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    3. Re:Prioritize by gstrickler · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Right idea, missing a detail. Get your data and hard to replace equipment (e.g. custom orders, long lead time, no longer available) first. That may be servers, or just the HD's from them. After that, everything that is replaceable can be picked based upon it's value, size, ease of removal, and available space. If you have to take workstation HDs, try to get one of each model of workstation so you have at least one machine that you know will work with that HD. It's not critical, but it can save you some effort if the facility does burn. Most networking gear, phones, workstations, etc. are easily replaceable, don't mess with them until the more important stuff is out.

      And most importantly, DO NOT WAIT until you receive the evac order, start packing at least 24 hours before an evac is likely. I don't care what management says about taking down the network early, your data and your lives are far more valuable than an extra day working.

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    4. Re:Prioritize by _KiTA_ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Pack what's critical first. Servers. Critical networking gear. Workstations. Ignore the phones, printers and wireless gear unless you've got extra time. And good luck.

      I agree. But I would prioritize slightly differently:

      1. Make sure all non-critical staff are gone, and are well informed of what's going on -- where they can contact people for further information, etc. (People)
      1a. Whlie you're talking to them, ask the managers of departments -- off the record, of course -- if there are any department specific, hidden fileservers that need evac. I haven't worked in an office yet that didn't have at least one.
      2. Make sure all backups are offsite, preferably in a dry, fireproof safe someplace. Ideally this step happened years back, and you can roll your eyes at this one, but lets be honest -- it didn't and you can't. (Data)
      3. Disconnect servers from their racks. Any data storage stuff in there takes priority. (More Data)
      4. Rack mounted servers go next (Servers)
      5. The rest of the server room as time allows (Networking gear)

      Anything after this is probably stuff you can skip, assuming you have good fire insurance. If you don't, welp. Honestly, start thinking like a thief, prioritize things that are expensive:

      Harddrives are good to try, but it's easier to just pull the towers. Aim for any high end workstations -- the secretary's machine probably shouldn't go (but be aware that they may not have followed your server file storage and there may be data on that workstation not on the server), but the guys back in marketing? Maybe that top of the line workstation with the 30" monitor may need a second look. As mentioned above, many companies will have unofficial servers hidden around or local backups of department specific stuff, make sure you ask around if you have time to see if there's a file cabinet that needs placed on a dolly.

      In an absolute pinch, just use wire cutters to disconnect workstations and get them on a cart -- DVI and USB cables are cheap. Monitors are next up on the price list. Printers right afterwards.

      If you do not anticipate fire actually taking out the buildling, it may be prudent to grab trash bags and cover monitors and towers with plastic instead. This will help keep any smoke or sprinkler systems from pouring on them and damaging things.

      If you have a basement, or a fire proof safe, tossing stuff in it may save it if you are absolutely out of time.

    5. Re:Prioritize by arth1 · · Score: 2

      Pack what's critical first. Servers.

      No, servers aren't critical unless they're irreplacable legacy systems, in which case you probably already have a spare standby elsewhere.
      Humans are.what's critical Get them out as quickly as possible.
      Then data - remotely start another adhoc offline backup and leave it running while you get out.

      Remember that if the National Guard tells you you have half an hour to evacuate the premises, it doesn't mean you should aim for half an hour, it means that you should evacuate as soon as possible but under no circumstance use more than half an hour.

    6. Re:Prioritize by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Informative

      They're in a pre-evacuation phase. Smoke on the horizon and all that. Not to worry, the local sheriff department will kick people out long before there is a problem. They've done this before. Like every year in the past decade.

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    7. Re:Prioritize by girlintraining · · Score: 1

      They're in a pre-evacuation phase. Smoke on the horizon and all that. Not to worry, the local sheriff department will kick people out long before there is a problem. They've done this before. Like every year in the past decade.

      I'm aware. However, that's no excuse for waiting until the knock on the door before considering your data recovery options. If you're going to make an effort at protecting your data, don't half-ass it.

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    8. Re:Prioritize by Idarubicin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They've done this before. Like every year in the past decade.

      So the answer to the Ask Slashdot question should be: "Just refer to the emergency evacuation plan you drafted years ago, and have regularly updated in the meantime."

      And if that isn't the answer, why the hell not?

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    9. Re:Prioritize by Macgrrl · · Score: 1

      I audited a DR plan about 24 months ago that had large chunks of [TBA] in various sections and three different variations of names for the provider of off-site backup storage with no contact details or procedure for who could retrieve from off-site B/U.

      DR plans are a living document that should be updated for every significant change to your infrastructure. They should have an annual 'trial run' to see if they work. The worst time to find out your DR plan doesn't work is in an actual disaster event. People tend not to have the time or the focus to respond rationally to what needs to be fixed during a disaster.

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    10. Re:Prioritize by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1a. does NOT exist, if an office do have "Own Private Hidden" servers it is that offices own problem (or the top managements problem). Servers outside IT-dept do NOT exist and are NOT IT-dept. responsibility. There are NO mission critical data outside the server room except for your backup which is off-site.

    11. Re:Prioritize by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Why? if you are doing your job, just run a full backup to tapes and take those along with the portable tape drive.

      Grab the drives? Yeah that will end in sadness. unless you have them numbered right and built a server to accept them the RAID will not rebuild properly and cleanly and will pretty much destroy all the data.

      you offline the server, make a complete backup and if you have time, make a second one. All done. no worries.

      If you had really been doing your job, you will have another copy already offsite. And the guys that did their job perfectly already have a backup server offsite that have a clean mirror of the data on it already. Unless he works for a company that does not value it's data and will not spend money on a real backup plan.

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    12. Re:Prioritize by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      The executive in charge of that DR plan should have been fired.

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  6. The site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

    1. Re:The site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Darth Vader is that you? Gawd, you are such a troll.

    2. Re:The site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      um, no, try Aliens.

    3. Re:The site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did IQ's just drop sharply while was away? It is "take off and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."

  7. blankets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    you probably have lots of those available

    careful over the bumps, and godspeed

  8. Um... by owenferguson · · Score: 5, Funny

    First thought is put half of them in your own car. Then put the other half in the truck and abandon it in the fire's path. Then eBay.

    1. Re:Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And the BOFH makes a guest appearance.

  9. Relocate by freshlimesoda · · Score: 3

    Basically you're fighting, not avoiding. Relocate. Avoid. Cheers!

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  10. Offsite backups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Damn if I'd go in to work to remove hardware when a fire is threatening.

    I'm not paid enough to risk my life. Period.

    1. Re:Offsite backups by PhilHibbs · · Score: 1

      What do you mean by "threatening"? 100 miles away? 50? 10? A small wastpaper basket fire in an office across the street? The OP says he is in a "pre-evacuation area", would you run in panic when an evacuation has not been called for? If so, I wouldn't pay you very much either.

      You risk your life every time you go to work. Every decision you make has an element of risk/reward in it.

  11. Simply Throw It In by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If something breaks, it can be easily replaced. If you leave everything behind, that'd be much more expensive.

    1. Re:Simply Throw It In by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 3, Funny

      If you find out you work for a business with large quantities of server equipment that doesn't have FIRE INSURANCE, the only things you should take with you are

      - 1 UPS
      - 1 computer (desktop/laptop/whatever)
      - 1 printer
      - 1 reem of paper

      Now you have all you need to print resume's while driving the hell away from that building as fast as you can!

    2. Re:Simply Throw It In by Hognoxious · · Score: 0

      reem resume's

      You might want to add a dictionary and a grammar primer to the list.

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    3. Re:Simply Throw It In by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      Firefox's spellchecker keeps disabling itself and it IS starting to piss me off!

    4. Re:Simply Throw It In by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      Gah, spell checker. See what I mean?!?

    5. Re:Simply Throw It In by PhilHibbs · · Score: 1

      And if that policy says something like "if you are given adequate advance warning of a fire, and you fail to take safe and reasonable steps to secure the more valuable and portable assets, then your claim may be contested"? Sure, it would be in more fancy legalese, but IANAL.

  12. Pictures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Take lots of pictures before you unplug your cables. It will save you time when you have to reconnect everything.

    1. Re:Pictures by owenferguson · · Score: 1

      This is good advice.

  13. You don't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The "best" way to evacuate a data center is to already have off-site back-up for your data in place, drop a fresh copy to portable media, and walk out. The hardware should be insured. The life of your and your people (at least some of whom should probably be helping their families evacuate) are far more valuable than a few months of making your insurer pay for rented hardware until your new machines show up.

    1. Re:You don't. by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The "best" way to evacuate a data center is to already have off-site back-up for your data in place, drop a fresh copy to portable media, and walk out. The hardware should be insured. The life of your and your people (at least some of whom should probably be helping their families evacuate) are far more valuable than a few months of making your insurer pay for rented hardware until your new machines show up.

      Well, it's obvious the poster here was handed the job of preparing a disaster recovery plan and has no professional experience doing so... probably was given the assignment by his manager who had no idea the complexities of the task. If the OP is in that position, then it's also likely they won't see any benefit to offsite backup, or they'll blunder by putting the offsite backups in the boss' house which is three miles downwind... assuming he can even convince them to budget for it.

      In that case, I'd say buy some quick-disconnect drive enclosures (the kind where you lift a lever and a harddrive is now dangling in your hand), write a formal letter of protest outlining exactly why you're not responsible for the company being wiped out, what mitigation steps you'd recommend with a proper budget, and keep a copy in a safety deposit box or some 'cloud' service far, far away from you... because yeah. -_-

      Story time! I worked for a Fortune 500 company that connected consumer-grade 300watt rated UPS to racks of equipment... they were unaware of the risk of fire until I explained to them that with 2,000+ store locations and about 50 distribution centers, and 3 corporate headquarters, while the odds of any one of them failing catastrophically due to current overload was low, each one of those buildings experiences a 'power loss event' an average of a dozen times a year... so it became very likely that they would fail and cause a fire, which wouldn't be covered by insurance. Management tried to ignore it, but somehow (wink, wink) legal found out about it, and forced the Board to fix the problem post-haste to avert having to pay 50 million plus to rebuild the burned out husk of a store after the fire chief finds the flash point was a piece of equipment that was massively under-rated for the job.

      Disaster planning requires a good understanding of probabilities and statistics. That understanding is surprisingly rare in the business world, despite what most people think.

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    2. Re:You don't. by Zenin · · Score: 5, Informative

      This. The parent is already +5 Insightful, but really needs to be +500.

      You don't evacuate a datacenter, you abandon it. Any other plan is a dozen different kinds of stupid.

      At best you trigger a self-destruct (software or better yet hardware) to whip all data so scavengers don't get to it while you're fleeing.

      Hardware can be replaced easily (insure it, duh). Lives and Data can not. So already have the data backed up offsite and let the lives flee as they can at the first sign of danger w/o being hindered by insanely stupid commandments like "save the copier!!!".

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    3. Re:You don't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, have data backups!!!! Insurance for everything else.
      You and your co-workers and families are MORE IMPORTANT than equipment!!

    4. Re:You don't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RTFS, he is planning an evacuation.

      Insurance is unlikely to cover any physical loss of hardware as they would claim that the company did in fact have time to shutdown and pack it all up. It's one thing if a storm came through and caused the building to flood unexpectedly, it's another to know that a fire is a day away and will likely take your building down.

    5. Re:You don't. by sjames · · Score: 1

      But if it's already late for that, pull the drives for safe packing. The rest can take it's chances.

    6. Re:You don't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, it's obvious the poster here was handed the job of preparing a disaster recovery plan

      No, go back and re-read the article. The guy works at a place near an actual forest fire that is burning right now. He is no longer in the "disaster planning" stages and is now in the "disaster plan execution" stage.

      In that case, I'd say buy some quick-disconnect drive enclosures (the kind where you lift a lever and a harddrive is now dangling in your hand), write a formal letter of protest outlining exactly why you're not responsible for the company being wiped out, what mitigation steps you'd recommend with a proper budget, and keep a copy in a safety deposit box or some 'cloud' service far, far away from you...

      Yeah, he's in the middle of a forest fire in the middle of a national forest deep in the wilderness in Colorado. It's a Sunday afternoon. Do you suggest that he drive down to the little mom-and-pop general store a half hour away and pick up some milk and eggs, and ask if maybe they have any extra rack-mounted quick-disconnect hard drive enclosures in the back?

    7. Re:You don't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because insurance is really going to cover your "self destruct" system?

    8. Re:You don't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Management tried to ignore it, but somehow (wink, wink) legal found out about it,

      Ahh, you went from girlintraining to cuntintraining.

    9. Re:You don't. by aevan · · Score: 1

      Well..if you can make your self-destruct look like a forest fire...

    10. Re:You don't. by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      The self destruct is for the DATA. Insurance companies normaly don't cover it, and it is recomended that one keeps backups anyway.

    11. Re:You don't. by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 1

      Yes, a thousand times yes. Anybody in a potential disaster area needs an alternate processing site, unless there's an incredibly slack Recovery Time Objective, in which case just order new hardware from the insurance money and restore the offsite backups.

    12. Re:You don't. by Zenin · · Score: 1

      Then they've already failed.

      Get in your car, leave. When you get somewhere safe, start updating your resume and LinkedIn profile.

      There are few good reasons to risk your own life. The company's copier just isn't one of them.

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    13. Re:You don't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is not a "data center" they're evacuating. From the web site: "Shambhala Mountain Center is a mountain valley retreat located on 600 acres in northern Colorado. Since 1971 the Center has offered hundreds of programs on Buddhist meditation, yoga and other contemplative disciplines." Charitably, it's a buddhist retreat. Uncharitably, it's a place where 40+ year old women with vaguely Hindu sounding names, blonde hair, and blue eyes give handjobs to businessmen on their lunch breaks while mumbling about "chakras" and "chi."

      Frankly, I can't imagine WHAT the fuck you'd have on these servers that's so important you need to risk the lives and safety of staff evacuating them at a place like this - presentations? Financial stuff? Why isn't that stuff on off-site-backed-up and network-available storage already? Why are people saving this shit on their workstations? I mean really... you're worried about phones? Network gear? Sucks to have to reconfigure it, but why don't you have insurance to replace it?

      When you set it back up:
      1) Networked storage, all servers backed up to a remote - let the servers burn.
      2) Workstations replaced as much as possible with laptops. You can easily replace docking stations and Keyboard/Monitor/Mouse. Hell, I could evacuate 50+ laptops in my Volvo with room to spare.
      3) Phones, networking gear, etc. are UNIMPORTANT. The physical devices can be replaced trivially. The data on them, not so much. Lives, not at all. Evacuate with those priorities in mind.

    14. Re:You don't. by Carnildo · · Score: 1

      Frankly, I can't imagine WHAT the fuck you'd have on these servers that's so important you need to risk the lives and safety of staff evacuating them at a place like this - presentations? Financial stuff? Why isn't that stuff on off-site-backed-up and network-available storage already? Why are people saving this shit on their workstations? I mean really... you're worried about phones? Network gear? Sucks to have to reconfigure it, but why don't you have insurance to replace it?

      If this is the typical Colorado wildfire, the situation is:

      "There will be a fire coming through sometime between 24 and 36 hours from now, unless the firefighters can get a containment line up. How much of our stuff can we save?"

      As the fire moves, the timeframe for evacuation will continue to be refined; the final evacuation order will typically give you at least an hour's safety margin. As long as everyone actually leaves when the order is given, there's no risk to safety, so there's no reason *not* to save things.

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  14. Prioritize correctly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The workstations and servers presumably contain data that is either irreplaceable, or labor-intensive to recreate. the printers, IP Phones, and non-configurable networking equipment can be re-ordered when the dust settles. Pack the former first, and leave the latter if you are pressed for time.

  15. Triage by joebagodonuts · · Score: 1

    Focus on "Properly packing" the Servers and workstations. Properly packing in this context is retaliative, but I bet servers and workstations are more sensitive to getting banged around in the back of a u-haul than ip phones, printers, and wireless gear. Your network gear is probably in group 2 - more important than the "Phones, printers, and Wireless gear"

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    1. Re:Triage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1 for "retaliative"

  16. Emergency packing by wb8wsf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First, triage the equipment.

    You likely do not have time to pull disks from systems, so pack computers and
    external drives first. Get blankets to protect things. Blankets start at the bottom
    to act like a shock absorber.

    Things like networking gear and wireless stuff is irrelevant compared to the
    computers, and probably lighter. If you CAN, sure, save all that stuff too.

    But the data comes first. Don't forget backups.

    If there are computers with really really important or sensitive stuff, put
    those in someones car in the backseat, again with blankets. If I seem
    blanket obsessed, it's because I've found them to be available quickly
    either from individuals or stores. Yes, bubble wrap or sorbathane would
    be better but you aren't likely to have that stuff lying around.

    1. Re:Emergency packing by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      As much as I disagree with the whole hardware-evacuation idea in the first place (backups + insurance is ALL you should need), I'd just like to mention that carpeted floors + box cutter = blankets :)

    2. Re:Emergency packing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhaul has a s**tload of cheap blankets you can rent for moving furniture. Buy rolls of the saran wrap plastic stuff that sticks to itself. Wrap the stuff up in blankets, saran wrap them closed and go.

  17. Servers first by jdeitch · · Score: 1

    Best suggestion I can think of ...

    1) servers (take the entire racks), documentation, backups, certificates (to prove you own what's on the servers), network gear, etc first. Make sure you have EVEYRTHING needed, core-wise, to operate.

    2) THEN start loading workstations. If you have to leave some behind, and the place burns down, that's what insurance is for.

    You can operate a business on leased workstations.

    You cannot operate a business without all your core servers, and you wouldn't want to wait for the downtime required to rebuild them.

    1. Re:Servers first by jaden · · Score: 1

      That sounds like the best option to me too. Servers first, workstations as space allows (if you have more time than space you can pull the drives on the workstations to optimize storage). Screw the networking gear & the ip phones... but backup any config that may be associated with the devices. Also... take plenty of pictures of all the stuff, especially that being left behind. As for how to pack... if you don't have much supplies I'd try and store the machines/drives vertically to better deal with the truck ride (no data to back this up, just seems like they'd be less likely to have the drive heads tapping the disk platters that way).

      -j

  18. Wrong Time To Ask This Question! by AO · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not trying to be mean, but you should have already had a plan in place...this late in the game without a plan means you just have to go with asses and elbows (just get what you can while you can and forget trying to install a plan to do it!)

    The good news is you can become an example for other IT people! Everyone should look at their disaster plans and make sure you have accounted/planned for all emergencies that may happen in your area.

    1. Re:Wrong Time To Ask This Question! by Splab · · Score: 2

      Having disaster plans costs money, most companies aren't willing to spend. For a company to have proper procedures in place it needs to have smart people at the top or government required facilities, both very rare...

    2. Re:Wrong Time To Ask This Question! by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      I don't know about that. "Have offsite backups and fire insurance." sounds pretty fucking simple to me!

  19. Triage? by bky1701 · · Score: 1

    Put the most valuable stuff in first and best packed. You can probably take the computer boxes themselves and just line them up in a big rectangular area and rope it off so they don't move. Monitors (LCD) will be the hardest because they are awkwardly shaped and easily damaged. You can wrap the screens with cardboard and lay them on their sides, interlocking, if shape permits. CRT, if you have those, can just go in like the computers, they're pretty resilient. Can't say anything about the rest, you are probably best off sticking it in boxes.

    In general, rope is your friend. You can keep stuff from moving pretty effectively with rope.

  20. Family and essentials by tarellel · · Score: 1

    I'd say worry about your family first and get them the hell out of there first. And than from there start at whats essential and most important

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  21. Triage by Mononoke · · Score: 1
    Replaceable: Ignore it.

    Irreplaceable: Load it and get the hell out.

    Next time: Planning and preparation.

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    NetInfo connection failed for server 127.0.0.1/local
  22. Knapsack Problem by mihai.todor85 · · Score: 1

    You definitely need to apply this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knapsack_problem ;)

  23. Backups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would take backup tapes first in a separate vehicle. that way you can recover. Servers. Work station computers next, not the monitors keyboards and mice. Then leave the rest. Insurance should cover it. The most important thing is the data, and they sit on the backup tapes and don't take much space.

  24. Start with what you can least afford to lose. by n5vb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Whatever stores data first -- if it's a SAN, then your RAID chassis and metadata controllers, and if you have time, the SAN fabric switches and cabling, but you can replace the latter if you have to, and if it's ordinary SAS, the servers if they're all internal storage, or the RAID chassis or whatever's external. Definitely grab any non-offsite backup media with that. Rest of it in descending order of priority after you grab the most valuable stuff, mostly to avoid having to replace it.

    Best strategy overall is to think "what if we had to abandon this evacuation mid-process and run?" Try to have what you most want already in the truck at any given moment, and concentrate on data before hardware -- the data is far more valuable in most cases.

    If you haven't done an offsite backup, for god/dess' sake do one *now* and get the backup media to a safe location .. :/

  25. It's all about the data. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Label the server disks, then pull them from the servers. Use your limited packing materials to protect them. If you have time to load the servers into the truck, then great - but as long as you know what servers those disks came from, you can buy more of them (or put in service calls on the ones you have if they were damaged in the truck).

    Dump your switch and router configs to text file and copy them to USB key AND PAPER.

    If you're looking to do a straight toss-and-drive: workstations on the bottom, then servers, then switches. Printers off to the side. Everything else (phones, etc) on top of the switches.

    Labelled hard drives in a separate, padded box that doesn't leave your sight, and switch configs in your pocket.

    Hope that your users don't save everything on their desktops...

  26. Not that hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Heavy/sturdiest stuff on bottom, fill left & right sides of the truck then fill in the middle w/ crap that can easily be tossed out for easy access. Seriously though, just play tetris next time you take a shit & the tetris effect will show the way. Oh, & label the workstations. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetris_effect

  27. YES! Save only hard drives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1. label all hard drives. Drive position, and server.
    2. place hard drives in anti-static bags
    3. pack drives in foam.
    4. get drives far, far away.

    Hard drives are both the most valuable, and the most fragile part. Do not load them in a stiff suspension vehicle like a truck, as this bounces the drives. Choose a soft-suspension normal car.

    Next take servers and network gear. Desktops are a maybe, as are phones. Ignore printers.

    Tape a piece of cardboard over the face of an LCD monitor to protect it from casual bumps.

    Above all, no data is worth a human life. No heroics. You're not paid for heroics.

    1. Re:YES! Save only hard drives by Gordonjcp · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hard drives are both the most valuable, and the most fragile part. Do not load them in a stiff suspension vehicle like a truck, as this bounces the drives. Choose a soft-suspension normal car.

      I know someone who uses a Citroen Xantia estate with the hydraulic suspension modified to be slightly softer than normal for moving delicate optical instruments. It just comes down to a little adjustment of sphere pressure and damper ports.

      Even unmodified, if the suspension is in good condition you can't even feel speed humps at 60mph, just hear the "ba-dunk" as you go over them.

    2. Re:YES! Save only hard drives by Nutria · · Score: 1

      label all hard drives. Drive position, and server.

      In a "server room" situation, wouldn't the HDDs be in rack-mounted trays? If so, just take the trays. In fact, *only* take the server and HDD trays.

      Everything else can be replaced from fire insurance. (You are backing up all the workstation data to servers, right?

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    3. Re:YES! Save only hard drives by gman003 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ignore printers.

      Most printers ought to die in a fire anyways. Now he might actually get to see it happen!

    4. Re:YES! Save only hard drives by sirsnork · · Score: 1

      Everyone's says this, but without a RAID card that can rebuild the array _CLEANLY_ then this really isn't the answer.

      The answer is to either, take the whole server, or backup offsite.

      If you have all/most of your systems virtualized then restoring them is simple since they aren't tied to hardware.

      Taking workstations is madness, even if you have some lead time, there will be more important things to take, staff shouldn't store critical data on their workstations and if they must, there should be a robust backup solution in place (which also goes off-site

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    5. Re:YES! Save only hard drives by tconnors · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ignore printers.

      Most printers ought to die in a fire anyways. Now he might actually get to see it happen!

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lp0_on_fire

    6. Re:YES! Save only hard drives by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Hard drives are both the most valuable, and the most fragile part. Do not load them in a stiff suspension vehicle like a truck, as this bounces the drives. Choose a soft-suspension normal car.

      Get lots of foam. LOTS of foam. Or if you can, find one of those trays they ship hard drives with (it comes in two pieces - it's like a block of stiff foam with rectangular cutouts that drives fit in with about 1" of foam between the drives).

      Label all the drives with server, slot, and RAID card. Make sure you take the RAID card out of the server!

      If you get the trays, great - one drive in each slot, then put the other half on top of them. do not try to save foam.

      If you can't, get antistatic bags (the silvery kind, not the pink kind). Wrap each drive individually in an antistatic bag, then wrap each drive individually in foam. Again, DO NOT SAVE FOAM. One drive ONLY - do NOT put multiple drives together unless each is separated by foam. You'll kill drives if you let them bang against each other!

      Put a piece of foam in a box, then put each foam-wrapped drive in it. Once the box is full, put foam on top and seal tightly. Do not leave any airgap - fill the box completely with foam so you have a solid box with nothing rattling. Then the drives are safe from damage it's usually when they bang against each other where all the damage happens).

      Put the RAID cards in another antistatic bag and keep them in another box. (This is because RAID cards are often tied to the array and firmware version specific).

    7. Re:YES! Save only hard drives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless the phones are expensive SIP phones, don't bother.

      Network gear is questionable. If you have expensive, high-end Carrier or Corporate grade equipment, then grab it right after the HDD's and before the monitors. If it's lower-end SOHO or consumer grade stuff, you're probably better just ignoring it.

      Also, if you're extremely short on time, you can take a page out of the Home Robbery Handbook.... grab some boltcutters/wire snips, shut off the main power to the facility, and just go down the line cutting the cables off the back of your gear. Grab the cases (servers first) and run. Monitors are worth saving if they're LCD but leave any CRT's behind.

    8. Re:YES! Save only hard drives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No.

      Rack-mount servers consist of blades. You pull all the blades from the chassis, all you have left is the physical structure and some power-related gear.

      You might have to take the workstations, and now is NOT the time to be saying "should have". If there is data on those HDD's worth keeping, then the workstations are also worth keeping because it's the data you're concerned about.
      IF they have the time, pull the HDD's and transport them by passenger vehicle instead of those shitty, shitty, shitty U-haul's.
      If time is short and the servers are already safe, take a page from the Home Invasion Handbook- boltcutters and wiresnips to cut all the cabling, then just grab the cases and run.

      Now, they might have some heavy-duty network gear along with the servers. Treat those as second to the servers in importance. But if the network gear is consumer grade or SOHO, don't even think about taking them until you've packed up the coffee and raided the vending machines.

      Next up, LCD monitors as they are lightweight and can be expensive to replace. But that's a judgement call, maybe they're old and shitty. If you have any CRT's, report to the press that you're planning on smashing them and littering the toxic materials all over the place, and you'll have a pack of Hippies up in your shit, lickety-split, who can then help you load up the rest of your gear.

      But unless you've got some really fancy SIP phones, fuck 'em. Fuck the network cables, power cables, etc. Fuck the printers, too, they're heavy and bulky and chances are you're going to damage them anyhow. Keyboards, mice, etc. are a waste of time and effort.

    9. Re:YES! Save only hard drives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LPT0 on Fire? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lp0_on_fire

      No more obsolete.

      Nathan

    10. Re:YES! Save only hard drives by afidel · · Score: 1

      Eh? If you're running HP's you can put the HDD's in any server that are compatible with the drive and it will load, even if you put the drives in the wrong order. The controllers of the same generation all use the same metadata format and will all load metadata from drives if they identify new drives. Six or seven years ago, when HP designed all their own stuff, you could even take the drives out of a server and drop them in a MSA and the MSA would pick up the information and know about the RAID set. IBM kit could do the same thing but it required a lot more intervention and wouldn't always work correctly, I'm not sure about Dell kit since I've never run a Dell shop.

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  28. Cushion by rrohbeck · · Score: 2

    Many servers and disk arrays specify that drives have to be shipped separately simply because their mass is so high that the rack doesn't pass shock and vibe tests. So either pull out the drives (mark which slot they go into) and pack them separately in bubble wrap or, if that's not an option, put as much cushioning as you can around the servers and strap them down so they don't bounce. In any case, be prepared for some disk drive damage or degradation.

  29. Triage and Labels by billstewart · · Score: 5, Informative

    Log off Slashdot before reading this :-)

    If you've got labeling stuff around, use it (not fancy label makers, just the basic "Hello My Name Is" and a Sharpie.)

    Grab the servers, grab the workstation bodies, grab the phones and anything else that's easily portable, and any backup media you've got. Unfortunately, rack-mounted equipment is usually harder to grab, but that's probably your most expensive and critical stuff. And it'll be your critical path, so start unbolting it first. All of that will fit, put it in first, braced as well as you can.

    Monitors and keyboards are nice, but they're just money, not data. Grab a few of them, but leave the rest for last. If you have packing material left, great, but if not you'll just have some breakage. If you've got any CRTs, leave them, they're heavy.

    --

    Bill Stewart
    New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
    1. Re:Triage and Labels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      dont unbolt the parts it's time wasted and it will make transporting the lot easily while in rack with a buggy ..
      just unwire the rack and take it out as a whole .if the cat 5's are landed at punchhed patch panels
      you may be able to remove the cabling in large chunks without causing too much damage if any.

      computers ? same as above. just take the stations and put them in large bins..If you got an apple producer
      of similar large produce cases you may be able to fit all computers in one box which again is handy because
      it keeps things together and the screens in the second box . Dont waste time on kb's mice etc unless you have a
      lot of time on your hands..

      get the heck out and keep people safe is first
      hardware comes last.
      it's useless to dead people

      ric.

    2. Re:Triage and Labels by Bacon+Bits · · Score: 1

      Moving equipment in the rack seems absurdly risky, both for the equipment and the person moving it.

      A rack alone is about 400 lbs, and a 1U server weighs about 30 lbs. Even if the rack is only half full and you're not using an in-rack UPS you're looking at half a ton. Add to that most racks are top-heavy since servers are generally installed at arm level initially. Nevermind that racks and rails aren't designed to be moved loaded, nor are they designed to cushion the impact from road travel. Everything is rigid, so you're going to risk bending rails, popping bolts or welds on the rack, collapsing the rack and damaging who knows what inside.

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    3. Re:Triage and Labels by billstewart · · Score: 2

      Hadn't even thought of moving racks - here in California, they're usually bolted to the floor and often also braced at the top, for earthquake reasons, as well as for "not falling over when you slide servers in and out" reasons. Forgot that not everybody does that (and also, only most of the equipment in my lab racks is actually screwed into the rack - some things are on shelves and will slide around, especially smaller-than-1U devices, power bricks, etc.

      But no, moving whole racks is likely to be a really bad idea.

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      Bill Stewart
      New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
    4. Re:Triage and Labels by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      "Unfortunately, rack-mounted equipment is usually harder to grab, but that's probably your most expensive and critical stuff. And it'll be your critical path, so start unbolting it first. All of that will fit, put it in first, braced as well as you can."

      If you use touring racks (on blue wheels) instead of immobile raacks, you can run a 19" server tower up a loading ramp to a U-Haul with 2 or 3 grown men, easy. Hell, compared to amps, rack servers and workstations are light as air, and you could run all power and connectivity per rack over a single multipin connector if you wanted. Need to put 60 systems in a U-Hal? Unsnap 10 connectors, load 10 racks, done.

    5. Re:Triage and Labels by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      getting the phone system KSU off the wall will be harder, and that piece is more expensive than the phones on the desks.

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    6. Re:Triage and Labels by secret_squirrel_99 · · Score: 1

      A huge waste of time. He has 6 servers. 6. It would be far simpler, and probably cheaper to boot, to just host them, at Rackspace or some other hosting facility that is not in a disaster prone area. The workstations should not contain data and so can be safely abandoned. If you wish to pack them up and move, unless they're quite high end, laptops and docking stations solve this problem quite easily as well.

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    7. Re:Triage and Labels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All the stuff should be in ~8u flight cases that can be moved individually and stacked when not being moved.

    8. Re:Triage and Labels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention the weight of a fully loaded rack...you're going to need a fork lift to move it.

  30. My suggestion by cre_slash · · Score: 1

    Catapult. Quick as hell...

  31. Migrant workers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Drive up to a Home Depot and honk your horn.

    P.S.
    Buy them lunch.

  32. Prioritize efficiently. by khasim · · Score: 1

    Make sure you have off site backups of everything needed to reconstruct your network.

    After that it really doesn't matter. Either you can move everything out in time or you cannot. If you cannot then you move the people and forget the gear.

    Just like in the fire drills for almost every other company out there.

    1. Re:Prioritize efficiently. by Gr8Apes · · Score: 2

      Make sure you have off site backups of everything needed to reconstruct your network.

      At this point that would a "shoulda done" thing. I'm guessing since he's asking, they don't have a clue. Hopefully you practiced proper source control/workstation backups. Grab the servers and place them in a car(s). After that, the most important workstations, any truly expensive pieces of networking gear, and then whatever else you can. Realize anything in the U-Haul may not survive the trip, even with packing material.

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    2. Re:Prioritize efficiently. by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Personally I wouldn't take anything unless it is 100% un-replaceable (discontinued systems and since-last-offisite-transfer backups). Remember, your insurance will (if the person that negotiated it wasn't a complete moron) cover ALL hardware that is caught in the fire, they might NOT cover hardware that you broke in the U-Haul truck while trying to save it. You should already have offsite backups, so at the most you should save the "didn't make it to offsite yet" recent backups (1 day to 1 week's worth depending on your setup). For everything else: let it burn, that's what you pay those high insurance premiums for! If your insurance company doesn't like that plan, THEY can move it out of the f*$ing building.

    3. Re:Prioritize efficiently. by PJ6 · · Score: 1

      Personally I wouldn't take anything unless it's irreplaceable

      FTFY

    4. Re:Prioritize efficiently. by atamido · · Score: 1

      Personally I wouldn't take anything unless it is 100% un-replaceable (discontinued systems and since-last-offisite-transfer backups). Remember, your insurance will (if the person that negotiated it wasn't a complete moron) cover ALL hardware that is caught in the fire, they might NOT cover hardware that you broke in the U-Haul truck while trying to save it. You should already have offsite backups, so at the most you should save the "didn't make it to offsite yet" recent backups (1 day to 1 week's worth depending on your setup). For everything else: let it burn, that's what you pay those high insurance premiums for! If your insurance company doesn't like that plan, THEY can move it out of the f*$ing building.

      While this is mostly true, there are some caveats. I used to work for a city and communicated regularly with other cities in the state for IT matters. I know of one city specifically on the coast that had been evacuated multiple times in the past decade for hurricanes. Their standard operating procedure was to take all of their servers/workstation to another city a few hundred miles inland and set up shop there until the crisis was over. (They had an agreement with the other city for this.) While their flood insurance would have replaced all of the equipment and they had backups to restore data, just leaving it there would have meant AT LEAST several days of lost productivity, if not weeks acquiring all new equipment and getting it set up.

      A working network is even more important for a city in a crisis, so if you have the time then moving it is probably a better option.

    5. Re:Prioritize efficiently. by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Keep in mind that anybody holding an insurance policy is obligated to make a good faith effort to lessen the impact of a loss. That does not include placing people in harm's way, but if you just abandoned the place without even bothering to grab anything despite having 24 hours to do so, your insurer might choose not to cover the full loss.

      If you have a homeowner's policy and a tree smashes your roof the insurance will cover the repair. If three days later it rains and you haven't even bothered to put a tarp over the hole, they might not cover the water damage, even if they would have if it were raining at the moment the tree fell.

      Basically you have to treat property as if the loss were your own. If you don't the loss might very well end up being your own.

      Now, if the time is not sufficient to save everything, then simply making a good faith effort to save what matters most is all you need to do. Note, I am not a lawyer...

    6. Re:Prioritize efficiently. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Keep in mind that anybody holding an insurance policy is obligated to make a good faith effort to lessen the impact of a loss."

      Not only that, but recovering equipment from insurance will take time. Time that business is at a standstill.

    7. Re:Prioritize efficiently. by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      Out of pure curiosity, if the network is capable of being operated at the remote location and the remote location doesn't get the hurricanes, why don't they just LEAVE the network there...?

    8. Re:Prioritize efficiently. by gman003 · · Score: 1

      A few hundred miles inland is a hell of a commute.

    9. Re:Prioritize efficiently. by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      Only if they continue using the same employees.

  33. Evacuate? by charlieo88 · · Score: 1

    It's called insurance.

    1. Re:Evacuate? by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      If the company goes under because they don't have backups and all the data is gone then insurance doesn't help.

      If they've got a few hours notice then loading 50 servers into a van isn't a stupid idea.

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    2. Re:Evacuate? by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      If it isn't his company, it is.

  34. have everything "ready to go" by lkcl · · Score: 4, Informative

    thinking this through, your priority is to make it as quick as possible to get essential gear out the door. so, consider:

    * having the servers and desktops *already* in easy-to-carry crates, with large handles on the outside and packing materials surrounding the machines.
    * have the machines stacked off the ground so that people don't have to waste time bending down and possibly injuring themselves by jolting weight that's too much for them
    * have all essential equipment nearest to the doors plural, prioritised by criticality
    * yes doors plural: add an extra door next to the existing one (or replace the one door with easy-to-open double-doors with those pushable handles) so that at least two people side-by-side can get through at once, carrying the crates, and can just "barge through them" rather than having to twist the handles.
    * make sure that the crates are stackable and sturdy but also light enough to carry!
    * even consider having the machines already loaded onto 4-wheeled trollies and left on them, permanently.
    * if time is _seriously_ critical, consider putting guillotines next to all cables (and test them) so that people don't have to waste time unplugging cables: just cut them and go - but only consider this if the guillotines are sharp enough and easy enough to operate, and only if it's seriously seriously critical to save seconds. don't put power cables through the guillotine though!
    * consider getting convenient light-weight but sturdy cabinets made for all LCD monitors, with double doors that fold back 180 degrees out of sight, and a top (with a handle) that locks automatically when it's flipped over. have the LCD monitors mounted onto the cabinets with rubber bushes so that they don't need to be placed or positioned into the cabinets - just pull out the cables, shut the doors, slam the top over and pick it up by the handle: done.
    * consider getting 12v powered LCD monitors instead of 240v/120v AC mains, so that the power cables can be guillotined rather than pulled.
    * instead of guillotining, consider breaking all the tabs on the network and telephone cables (the ones that "click and lock") and affixing them *loosely* with gaffa tape to all devices (network hubs, machines etc.) - this way it will be possible to just pull (hard) and out pop the cables. or, if someone forgets, and gets to the end of the wire, they won't trip or be yanked backwards: the cable will just come out, clean.
    * get 4-port hubs instead of 8, 16 or 24-port. 4 gaffa-taped cables are easier to pull out than 8, 16 or 24, and if one of the 4-port hubs is lost to a fire, so what, big deal. a 24-port hub however starts to get expensive.
    * stop people from putting the bloody screws in the bloody cables - you know the ones: parallel ports, VGA cables, serial cables etc. the ones that are always bloody irritating when it comes to fixing or moving a machine and you find that the bloody VGA cable needs a bloody screwdriver to remove the damn thing. take the screws *OUT* of the cables; that way people can't go "oh look: screws - let's tighten them".

    so - yeah. make it easy to just shift everything. have practice drills. set a deadline (say 1 minute) and see how much kit people can get out in that time, without damaging it.

    oh - and you know how i suggested making it easy to shift everything? uh... make sure the insurance is up to date, and get good security. no point making it easy for *other people* to shift all that expensive gear, eh? oh. and sort out some off-site backups, eh? :) i use rsync; my friend uses backuppc (because he has a lot of machines). /peace

    1. Re:have everything "ready to go" by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      * add an extra door next to the existing one

      Would that be done by driving a truck through the wall?

      It doesn't sound like there's time to do the paperwork and get full planning approval to put some extra doors in...

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    2. Re:have everything "ready to go" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this suggestion is ridiculous. backup your data to an offsite data center and leave all this shit
      a guillotine? again ridiculous
      leave all the hardware and walk away

  35. How did you become the IT _Manager_? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Why does an IT manager not have a disaster recovery plan?

    How did you get to be the IT manager and not do this basic planning? I mean you are the _manager_ after all. You don't do any real (i.e. in the trenches) work any more, so what are you doing if you are not at least doing regular IT manager stuff like planning for disaster?

  36. Leave the equipment, take the cannoli. by Mansing · · Score: 3, Informative

    Walk out with your backups, and save the people first.

    1. Re:Leave the equipment, take the cannoli. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay, I've seen this 10 times this conversation, and it's stupid, and you're stupid. They're dealing with a wildfire. It's mildly predictable. They've heard "hey, a wildfire might be coming your way. might want to get ready for the possibility of leaving." In a day or two they may hear "hey, there's a wildfire headed your way, get out of here." IN THE INTERIM IT IS ENTIRELY POSSIBLE AND DESIRABLE TO SAVE PROPERTY FROM DESTRUCTION FROM FIRE.

  37. go with Ryder (much better then U-Haul) by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 0

    go with Ryder (much better then U-Haul)

  38. I don't see by equex · · Score: 2

    the problem. Like the other people say here, load up the most important machines first, pack them with bubblewrap, stack them and tie them down. Same with the monitors if you can do everything in one go. I suppose you want to save the machines first, data is money, monitors are cheap. 3 guys load 200 machines in under an hour. (been there done that). Be careful the most dangerous thing to the machines are bumpy roads. Take it easy. Hard bumps can kill a disk, and generally, any vibrations will loosen cables. Especially SATA cables. Don't panic if something doesn't work after moving, open machine, fasten all cables. :)

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  39. Wrong Time To save money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having disaster plans costs money, most companies aren't willing to spend.

    And when all is said and done, what do you think this little fiasco will cost them? "Penny wise, pound foolish" applies to this situation.

  40. Launch it into space! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank me later!

  41. Ask the Monks to all prey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ask the Monks to all prey very fast and in ernest, and get all your disk / tape storage out now...... the heat in the area alone may be enough to kill tape if you have any. but disks, san, backup data is 100% a must...... insurance hopefully would cover what got left behind.

  42. Insurance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, the equipment should be fully insured. Have a plan in place to replace it quickly. The data should be backed up offsite. If you are not doing offsite backup then TPTB obviously place the value of that data at $0. The only thing you should be walking out the door with in the event of a wildfire coming your way is yourself, your laptop and possibly some drives with the most recent local backup.

    But if the fire is literally on your doorstep now, I'd tell the boss to fuck off and get my ass out of there, the hell with the job and the data and the company.

    1. Re:Insurance? by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      Seeing as he obviously has enough time to wait for slashdot responses, I'd just start a new offsite-backup run and lock the doors on my way home to evacuate my family.

  43. Plans What Plans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pretty much at this point you should be opening book 1 and looking for plan b , the one you have actually practiced a time or two. but it sounds too late for that. so take data first, if you can't move it send the data it's self to the cloud, PCs pretty much get work done so they go next, VOIP phone server equipment should be the last to go, can you auto forward to cell phones before the bug out? the employees may be able to lighten the load by taking their own equipment when they bug out.

    The rest of the readers out there Plan, Practice, review plan, practice, and repeat again.

    1. Re:Plans What Plans by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      Those "employees" are probably using all the trunk space they have for the stuff they are rescuing from their homes!

  44. Consider this a learning experience by dlb · · Score: 2

    Had you adopted "The Cloud" sooner, this would not have been a problem!

    1. Re:Consider this a learning experience by GoodNewsJimDotCom · · Score: 2

      "The Cloud" is unreliable for saving you all fires. If it is a very big fire, "The Cloud" only has so much rain in it.

    2. Re:Consider this a learning experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't need "the Cloud" for it... VMware + SAN + SAN replication could do it or mainframe with replication or any combination of this.
      The biggest problem is the protection of the systems you are leaving behind.

    3. Re:Consider this a learning experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe this is the cloud ;)

  45. Prefab... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For rapid packing it would be best to have moving pallets prefabbed. Each employee grabs there gear, puts it into the prefab units, then you wheel the lot out. That way you're not pissing about trying to arrange everything so that it fits. As long as the truck holds the prefab units, everything will fit.

  46. been there done that by v1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Two years ago we go a call telling us the levies might not hold and if they burst (1 block away) we'd have 8 ft of water. We didn't really have a battle plan and we had a lot less to deal with than it sounds like you did, but we learned some lessons.

    1) praise the lord we had good network documentation. Now is not the time to be writing down how the firewall and public and private LANs are plugged in together. Shut stuff down, and start placing network hardware in big plastic tubs. Have tubs handy for this, they nest nicely when not in use. Toss cables in a different tub. just wind them up best you can into loops and toss them in. there's probably not time for neatness, you can deal with that later. TAKE THE DOCUMENTATION WITH YOU. You'll feel mighty silly if that's left pinned on the wall. or I assume you have an electronic copy you can print when you get offsite. Make sure any servers with complex cable attachments (like to phone banks or security systems) have labels on the connectors.

    1b) got your phone system documented too? this is a whole 'nother can of worms that often is forgotten about. Does anyone have a diagram of where all those punched down wires go on each block? If you have phone switching hardware to pack, make sure the cables are labeled, they will all probably look the same with the giant connectors that attach to the blocks. "We'll just call Al, he does our phone stuff." Oh, you don't think Al is going to be BUSY helping everyone else that is returning? Nothing's as fun as a 2-3 day wait to get your phones back up and running huh?

    2) Label ac adapters. You need to know which unit wants 12vdc and which has 24vac, you don't want to fry stuff when you are trying to reassemble. every pack should have the model of the unit it goes to written on it. Gear WILL get separated from its pack during the evac.

    3) label staff's hardware. It's very annoying trying to figure out whose beige box is whose later. and they will probably fight over monitors and keyboards later. save yourself the headache. If you are already under the gun, run to the store and get a dozen rolls of masking tape and sharpies and have the staff label their equipment while you're packing things up, full initials or names, I bet you have duplicate first names you don't want to deal with later. Make sure you label the phones.

    4) have a plan for things you can't easily move. the corp office was also forecast to get 8ft of water and they were on the WRONG side of the dike so it was more of a "when" than "if". they had a very expensive multifunction printer that the service people told them they could have a tech out to take it apart (so it fit out the door) in three days, which obviously was silly. They rushed in a bunch of cinder blocks and lifted it up and set it on them 8.5' up. (I have no idea how they lifted it) In retrospect, the building got 14" of water and totaled it, they SHOULD have killed power to the building and took a saws all to a wall. OR at least watertight wrapped it before lifting. I've seen this done with entire cars when faced with an incoming flood or hurricane. Even if it doesn't keep out the water 100%, at least it will keep out the mud, which you may be very grateful later. Got a plan for your big server room ups's? those can be quite large and heavy, and are often hardwired into the AC, are you able and qualified to unhook it? Maybe you should call in an electrician now and change that armored cable to a dryer type plug? Have a place you can move big stuff that can't be evac'd to where it will be at least more likely to survive. Think of flood, fire, and tornado/hurricane, there's probably not one single place that will work best in all three cases. Smoke damage can be very destructive, simply having something wrapped in mover's visqueen may prevent unnecessary loss that the fire missed but the smoke got. Do you have a plan for that rack that's bolted down or won't even fit through the door?

    5) Document what's been left behind. A simple way to

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    1. Re:been there done that by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      They rushed in a bunch of cinder blocks and lifted it up and set it on them 8.5' up. (I have no idea how they lifted it) In retrospect, the building got 14" of water and totaled it

      They lifted it eight and a half feet, but fourteen inches of water reached it?

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    2. Re:been there done that by Glendale2x · · Score: 1

      Get flood insurance?

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    3. Re:been there done that by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      It was poor luck that the flood occurred from the 8' to 9'2" marks only...

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    4. Re:been there done that by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      I've got a better idea.

      Let it burn.

      Get new stuff. I hear the new MacBook Pro's are really neat.

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    5. Re:been there done that by drumlight · · Score: 1

      Oops removing wrong moderation

    6. Re:been there done that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi. I'd just like to thank you for posting a reasonable, informative post instead of being just another doofus going "duuuuuuuuh, it's an emergency, abandon all the hardware and make the insurance sort it out. dur."

  47. Only one possible answer. by jensend · · Score: 1, Funny
  48. If you played enough nethack... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you'd know that fire kills trolls

  49. "Pre-evacuation" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most posters don't seem to have understood the question. The location is *not* in immediate danger; there is no current risk to life or property. However, if the fire behaves badly, they may have a problem a few days from now. The idea is to be ready for that circumstance. So there's plenty of time to worry about valuable property as well as people.

  50. Computing on the run. by Ostracus · · Score: 1

    These would be perfect for emergencies.

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  51. mattresses--servers--desktops--phones--screens by ItalianScallion · · Score: 2

    in order of importance, fragility, price and density.

    put some spare mattresses on the floor/sides of the uhaul and put your servers down there. next to each other. (you do have mattresses, right? you're a retreat center and a big fire is coming...)
    next desktop boxes, lined up next to each other.
    on top networking and ip phones, combined into a few bags/pillowcases etc. these, particularly the phones are light and wont damage each other.
    next screens, wrapped in blankets and stabilized. you'll find the screens most fragile, and requiring the most careful packing, but they are also not so expensive to replace so don't worry too much.

    come to think of it, you probably can throw some meditation pillows in there between the screens and anywhere else you need them.

    that should give you a fast pack of everything critical. you also hopefully have made offsite backups, though.

  52. seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you have no disaster plan? 1.) offsite backup everything, 2.) get everyone out. 3.) file an insurance claim, 4.) rebuild.

  53. Inventory, then HD's only by shadowsurfr1 · · Score: 1

    1. Inventory *everything* in terms of hardware, disks, monitors, etc. Insurance will want this (and you do have insurance, don't you?)
    2. Save all configs that you can to someplace secure/remote. This would make setting things up again more easy if it is the case that your entire workplace gets destroyed. A switch / wireless AP / IP phone is very easy to replace and really not worth saving if there's a fire coming down the mountain.
    Consider this: do you really need the entire workstation or just the hard drive? Even then, do you even need the data on it or can you rebuild it with an image and a restore from a network share?

  54. Quickest way right here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Insurance and off site backup.

  55. Professional Movers by rueger · · Score: 1

    You likely don't have the knowledge and skills to quickly pack and load a truck like this - stuff will get broken, and you'll be slow.

    Better to hire professional moves who can come in, grab the critical stuff, and pack the truck so that nothing gets damaged. Probably stuff like equipment racks can be dollied out in one piece and tied down in the truck - forget pulling individual drives.

  56. Take Pictures For Insurance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you have only 30 minutes or so chances are one or two people will only be able to grab a few servers at most, and with a large organization thats going to boil down to probably credit card processing server, customer account database server, imaging server(s), and maybe a web server and application server. Everything else be sure to take pictures of so its easy to prove it existed for insurance purposes.

    Bonus. If the stuff doesnt' get damaged, its easier to put 4 or 5 servers back in the racks than it is a bunch of racks.

    Don't rush or panic while moving critical gear. Take careful methodical action and accidents will be less likely to happen. Don't drop the critical server while trying to save it.

  57. no excuses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your backup tapes/drives/cloud thinger should already be well outside of the evacuation zone. Turn off the lights, and go.

    If you don't have that ability, then your organization has failed at responsible IT 101.

  58. Colo and insurnace by gatkinso · · Score: 1

    Too late for that now I suppose.

    In lieu of that grab the drives and run.

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    1. Re:Colo and insurnace by Glendale2x · · Score: 2

      Too late for that now I suppose.

      In lieu of that grab the drives and run.

      Second this. If you're thinking about this now then it's too late. Forget all of these idiotic elaborate answers on how to spend time in the path of a wildfire "evacuate" the network as they're likely to get you killed. Wildfires are extremely dangerous and fickle things. You may think you have 30 minutes, but then the wind shifts slightly and you're dead. Grab some drives and run is pretty much what you're left with.

      Aside from that, your insurance may cover equipment loss by fire but it may not cover damage caused when trying to save it. Next time colo the important stuff for redundancy. Colocated servers have an advantage over "cloud" of being removable from the colo to become instant infrastructure if the building does burn. At least automated offsite backups of important data so you can trigger it remotely and watch from a safe distance.

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  59. Move in a Flash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As everyone has stated so far, WTF are you doing on Slashdot, when your in an emergency situation. Now, onto my part, WTF are you doing as a IT Manager, and you don't have a critical battle plan, How the hell did you get this job in the first place. Your previous background was not in IT somehow. /done.

    First thing first, Grab the essentials. Since you stated 50+ workstations 6 Servers and random IT 'junk' then your most important priority is obviously the data. Whatever your company's business is, I presume you have six servers because the important stuff is done on these servers, and the workstations are really just end user stuff. Park the U-Haul close to the building and get ready to launch.
    --1) Mark your machines. IP addresses, Hostnames, etc each machine should be labeled before disconnection. Your first hour can go quick, if you use programs like Nessus, or LanGuard to map your existing network infrastructure. Getting a logical map saved of everything connected is a wise thing to do. Once a logical map is made, and physically your equipment is labeled... Step 2.
    --2) Unplug the important. So you have some networking equipment along with your processing equipment(computers/servers) You probably want everything that could be brought back, plugged backed in, and literally your back up and running. Well. Time to grab the essentials. Grab your routers, switches, the Modem will be helpful. Grab the servers, and THEN grab the workstations. Load them up. You have laser printers? Are these printers networked? If so, you may want to grab the most productive Printer you have, and take it with you.
    --3) Segment the piles. Obviously people want to keep their 'junk' together, however in a emergency situation, the most important stuff needs to be cared for first. So the IP phones, are probably expendable. Maybe not thePBX device because those can cost upwards in the thousands, so if its located on the wall where it should be, you can probably disconnect it and take it with you. The phones themselves can be expensive as well, but not even close to the device that serves them.
    --4) When your out of the way of harm, you probably want to setup temporary shop. So wherever you end up, you are only going to setup the marginal needs to ensure you can pull records/data. So a Hotel, U-Store-It, or even a different office building, your going to need to obtain some replacement temp cabling, and desks.

    As you can tell, if you left behind anything during your grab, your going to be spending money to have replacements. Hope the insurance coverage wasn't botched, because this is where you learn your company can get back on its feet. Otherwise, if you lost your data, your dead anyways. At least you have your data.

    I could care less about 'Cloud Computing", but it really is a blessing to have some sort of off-site backup procedure in place. While your prepping to move, you could have had your data backing up online/offsite. During the long process, you could have recorded serial numbers, taken photographs of each room (before) along with itemized lists of what was in each room (or associated with each workstation). If you did a good job, you probably now have sufficient records of all your assets ahead of time. But if you suck at your job, you are probably frantic right now, and making bad decisions like asking Slashdot for advice, when you have few hours left.

    Now my example of an emergency situation that came up on me at a datacenter (10k workstation/server environment).

    Flashflood warning popped up on me, and corporate was out of town. Our datacenter was setup with a T1, Satellite, and a backup (consumer based) Cable Modem services. With our primary switches and routers located in a locked room. When employees started panicking that water was entering the building from the east end(where the ditches and drainage areas were), I kne

  60. Modularize by medcalf · · Score: 1

    For now, I'm with those who say to get data offsite, then prioritize the rest. But for my clients in high risk zones, I generally recommend that they build their DCs using half height racks that can be lifted out with the equipment still in them, forklift sized DC doors, don't forget to actually have a forklift, put related equipment (power, air) into each rack, and label all the patch panels in each rack (the ones that connect to equipment outside the rack) consistently and thoroughly. That's enough to get you a semi-mobile DC in a war zone. It is expensive though. For most people, it's better to have hot-hot DCs geographically separated, and let the insurance company buy you new gear while you run on your remaining site(s).

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  61. Portability by rickb928 · · Score: 2

    Laptops/notebooks, tablets where possible. Anything that can be used in a zipper case is a plus.

    Wireless of course. Several sets of access points, two in the trailer. The production ones can be left behind to burn.

    Many of today's notebooks can do a good job as a server, remember to use power settings that make sense for server duty.

    Backups of course, but probably external drives.

    If you have the flexibility to choose your server OS, one that offers a resilient filesystem is good, since you may have to power down in a vehicle of some sort. Pulling the external drive off when running will exercise the resilience.

    Bugging out would consist mostly of closing lids, zipping up cases (maybe) and running. Servers go the same way. IF you can grab the APs, fine. For 50 users, this will not take a half hour. Crates to take the zip cases should let you essentially drop stations in there. You can build crates that cushion your servers better. External drives get better cushioning also, but using notebook drives enhances their durability, some. Everything else can survive.

    Keep a set of UPSes in the trailer, or at least by the back door, charging. These will get handy when you arrive at the new location, and if you save the old ones, you may use two sets to give you instant power while you get everything running, and find the outlets for permanent power. A generator would be handy, and it need not be big. Propane rigs are easier to handle than gasoline. If your evac point is within 2 hours' drive, you may even be able to safe the servers, park the drives, and take them on the trip running. You ARE writing scripts to do emergency shutdowns, safe modes, parks, and closing critical apps/saving data, riiiight?

    I'm assuming you may not always have 24 hours' notice. If you will have a guaranteed 2 hour notice, then use short racks that can be wheeled around, and you can have fairly conventional servers and wired network, just plan on abandoning the cabling, which is entirely expendable IMHO. Leaving the servers and switches cabled together is helpful, and sme simplified interconnect to mutiple cabinets will help. Plenty of cables in the trailer, and a spool of cable with a bag of plugs and at least 2 crimpers also. And a simple tester. Trust me on this, no point in guessing if you made it right. Making those 200' cables to solve a problem would be handy.

    Lots of diagrams laminated to the cabinets is handy, even a grease penciled fill in the blanks chart to show what was built is a blessing when you reconnect.

    Somehow, I suspect the military has some advice for you on this. Someone in Interior or the Forest Service must have a contact.

    I would love to be in that business. Nothing like having to make DR plans that have to accomodate the loss of the facility to sharpen your focus and get the juices flowing. The last project like that I was in, a financial institution needed a similar plan, and we even has a BOM at a distributor ready to be ordered and shipped on notice, updated quarterly. Almost got to do it for real, but they fixed the gas leak without blowing up the building. Darn. :)

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  62. Simple Answer, military experience by w3dg · · Score: 1

    Have an off-site backup. 1) Now, Visio diagram everything in racks, cabling included. 2) Ensure off-site backup works, connect to it as main source of data and direct back backup flow 3) If absolutely necessary, grab drives from critical machines only. 4) Call insurance company immediately upon entering a safe zone, let them know what's happened. Ensure building is COMPLETELY empty, shut down EVERYTHING in the server room, Yell to verify the rooms are completely empty and secure the rooms as best as you can, Priority number 2 here is securing the data however it is necessary. Priority 1 is, naturally, life. Unless you are trained in fire prevention and use of a fire extinguisher and licensed as such, I would not toy at all with a fire. If you panic and trip and fall and a piece of hardware gets broke, too bad. Upon returning, depending on nature of security. investigate the room thoroughly, even if no fire touched the building. Validate the power down of old equipment didn't leave any odd smells. Shut down everything's power switch, EVERYTHING. Turn power back on for the room. Give Management an ETA of 2.5-4x real time, with the off-record note that it will probably be quicker but you are being dutiful of potential problems (This should all already be written down and signed by your boss/manager and upper management should be aware) Power on equipment in clusters of 2-5 machines at a time, most relied upon first, last relied upon last. (Networking, SAN,backend servers, frontend-ish servers) Have a co-worker help you with this. If a piece of hardware has failed, determine why as quickly as possible, if not possible, follow replacement procedures and, if necessary, buy new until you are able to facilitate insurance claim/RMA/etc. Have admins/yourself test certain functions of the network/SAN/Whatever to verify proper operation. Be ready for calls. There are always calls. This is summarized, of course. Insert what you need, take out what you don't. If you have off-site full operations, ensure your managers know. Keep your manager and possibly one step up from him in the loop and facilitate questions as they arise but ensure they know the importance of you not being sidetracked. I've forgotten a few things, etc, but I THINK this is a good start. If you are in a fire situation, and a fire breaks out in your server room, Alarm and evac. Do NOT put out he fire unless you are certified. Insurance companies have a statement, commonly, that relieves them of heroic attempts at hardware rescue by non-heroes. Another key thing, your manager has to play middle-man. He HAS to take all the heat from your clients and his management. Questions are alright. Oh, and don't overwork yourself. You need to be there (Mentally) for remedial efforts. Burning yourself out to bring a system up in half the time is a no go. This may sound very government-esque and lazy, but put yourself in the shoes of somebody in the situation and just think of the stress you'd be under to bring everything back up. Oh god, I did not realize it would all bunch together when I hit enter... grr. Or, so the preview says.

    1. Re:Simple Answer, military experience by w3dg · · Score: 1

      I am so sorry.

    2. Re:Simple Answer, military experience by w3dg · · Score: 1

      Also, I generalized this for general reference. If all else fails, get it in writing and pack 72 hours before any risk occurs.

  63. penske is even better with newer trucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    penske is even better with newer trucks

  64. consider shuting everything down right away as wel by maxwells_deamon · · Score: 1

    unless you have offsite replication you may be better off telling people to stop working than have them work till the last momrent and then shutdown.

    If you do nightly backups and some people do crital stuff this morning you can loose that work or restore to an inconsstant state. for some information it may be better to be down then inconsustant.

    you dont want customers to have reciepts for transactions you do not have backups on your end.

  65. Lets be real by lancesnyder · · Score: 0

    Most of the posts on here are absolutely rubbish; just ignore them, and listen to what I have to say. I've helped businesses in this situation before - here you go: Your shop is not that big if you're only 6 servers, and you're only in the PRE-evacuation. You have time to do this right. Everything out of the datacenter but the wiring. Leave the racks too. The only thing you need is the physical equipment, your data, and a way for continuation after re-establishment somewhere else (Backups). Ensure you've grabbed all backup tapes that may be on-site. 6 servers will not take you that long to evacuate. Your datacenter is most likely a wiring closet or something equivalent, so take the extra time to label things. Make a diagram or map before you start removing things so you know how to put it back together. If you have some networking equipment scattered throughout the premises, ensure to grab that stuff too. Remember, you're not on fire yet. You have time to think this over and get all of the REALLY important stuff. You have two options for how you want to handle the client workstations and IP phones. The first option is for you and your IT team to go around to each one with a cardboard box and pack it all up. The second option is to give each employee a cardboard box and have them pack their own workspace - why should you guys have to do everything? Unfortunately, NON-IT workstation users are stupid and do not always store company data on their assigned network storage, so your workstations are actually assets, that could be holding data that is not replaceable. Because you mentioned all of the items (servers, workstations, networking equip. and phones) in your post, I'm assuming skipping them is not an option. Go with the fastest - each employee packs their own workspace. Get support from management to make it happen, it would save you and your team time as well as expedite the evacuation process. Each employee packing their own workspace also ensures they grab the things that are necessary that may be hiding in their desks/around their workspace. The rest is up to you. Really, and I know you've probably heard this 100x and read about it several times from the comments above - but the organization is not taking itself seriously if it does not have any type of protection from this type of disaster/condition. I don't have to spell out the obvious, but if the organization exists in an area that is prone for this type of disaster, then the business should have been designed to "hit the road" in the event this type of condition threatened the business... as well as protection and correction.

  66. Oooh! by Greyfox · · Score: 2

    You have 10 minutes to load a 14 foot trailer with all your gear before the place burns down! I bet you're wishing you hadn't cracked down on employee "slacking off" with Tetris now! Oooh maybe we'd know how to load that trailer if our boss hadn't told us to get back to work!

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  67. Obvious question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unplug the whole shit
    Use a showel to load the truck.
    Evacuate
    Ask your kids to untangle the wires as an after-school game.

  68. Disaster Recovery by hackus · · Score: 1

    Packing rules should be made as part of your disaster recovery plan. But as a rule, I save the packing for large server and switching equipment. That way there is no issues with packing.

    Workstations I don't save the packing after 30 days. In that case I would plastic wrap them and ask employees to assist if due to circumstances all available shipping options are exhausted.

    Good luck.

    Hack

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  69. Shipping Containers by DeepEye · · Score: 0

    Shipping Containers. Put your nodes on grid-by-grid basis inside the shipping container(s). Ship it offsite. Of course, having DR plan with out-of-region, target site would have been prefferable

  70. Like pictures are going to help on reconnects by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    We are not talking about a single computer. The guy is talking about hundreds.

    Sure take a picture .... of hundreds of same colored cables. Yeah ... that will give any clue.

    Any competent IT person would LABEL each cable before connection.

    1. Re:Like pictures are going to help on reconnects by Osgeld · · Score: 4, Insightful
  71. carpeted floors + box cutter = ESD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, wrap ESD sensitive hardware with carpet. Even ESD ready can carpet produce electrostatic discharges if not grounded properly.

    Great idea .... NOT!!.

    1. Re:carpeted floors + box cutter = ESD by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      You don't wrap hard drives in it, you wrap full towers and other generally static-safe systems in it. If your enclosures can't handle the shock of carpets, I sure as hell hope nobody with some built-up static in them touches anything!

  72. Mobile setup by no_such_user · · Score: 1

    I know this won't help the OP now, but If you live in a disaster-prone area and you could ever be hours away from a sudden evac, consider setting up your hardware as if you were doing a mobile installation. 19" rack cabinets on casters, which can be quickly pushed to a truck. Note: just because you have wheels on your rack doesn't mean they're meant to be moved when loaded down with equipment. But the appropriate equipment. If you want to see something like this in action, go to a major televised sporting event a couple of days before the event starts and ask nicely to talk to the tech manager.

  73. Quick and dirty by guruevi · · Score: 1

    I would leave all the cable behind really, no time to pack those up, just gets annoying. It might actually be easier to go through them with some hedge cutters (after you turn off the power off course).

    If you have small racks to move, just make sure they're free to move and put them on a cart with casters, just be careful they don't tip over but a decent forklift will help with that. That only works for racks that are not fully used (like half racks or smaller). 42U racks that are filled can't be moved, get a battery powered drill to unscrew the devices and pull them out. Don't waste time unplugging the hard drives or anything as some others mention, your data should be backed up and hard drives that aren't spinning can withstand quite some abuse.

    Really, why are you even moving stuff out? You should already have a backup in place for your most important stuff, with automatic fail overs.

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  74. This is why you have DR plans in advance by David+Gerard · · Score: 0

    Short answer: you don't do what you're asking about, and you're probably fucked.

    Do your disaster recovery planning in advance: make sure the servers are sufficiently backed up they can be brought up elsewhere at short notice (VMs you can bring up on Amazon are ideal for the purpose) and insurance to cover your workstations.

    The time to start thinking about this is about a year ago. I realise there are many circumstances in which doing this is not feasible, but that doesn't make you any less fucked.

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  75. well, if you are asking /. by Pirulo · · Score: 1

    You probably won't get it very well done.

    Don't forget to document you failures after the fact, that will serve a lot of other people in the future.

  76. Offsite backups and local encryption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Step 1: Encrypt all drives that contain sensitive data. Yes, all.
    Step 2: Make sure there is a single switch that can turn off the power to all computers that contain those drives. Yes, all.
    Step 3: Make sure you have working offsite daily backup (encrypted too, of course).

    When the emergency occurs, flip the switch and walk away. Your backups are already safe, your hardware is insured, and with the power off and the disks encrypted no one can break in and steal your data while you're evacuated.

  77. In FC by Jasper6 · · Score: 1

    Dude, I'm in FC and down w/ the D/L. If you need a place to bring all that stuff - email me.

  78. virtual desktop infrastructure by genocism · · Score: 1

    Use a virtual desktop infrastructure with dumb terminals (aka zero client). VMView comes to mind but Xen may have a solution that works for you too. You don't have the move servers that reside in a different location.

  79. As a Buddhist, you shouldn't be attached. by thumper666 · · Score: 1

    Walk out. Don't spend a second of time worrying about hardware, and restore from your already existing remote backup if the fire levels the place.

    If you don't have remote backup, you're a moron.

  80. Pack it like glass for a flea market, read on: by couchslug · · Score: 1

    You don't really need much packing. Just make sure everything touches and "nests" so items don't slap each other much. Flexy shit like power cords can cut down rattles.

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  81. Whats the problem? by Osgeld · · Score: 1

    You have offsite backups and insurance to cover any damaged equipment, so whats the problem? Its not a disaster, its an excuse to upgrade. If you don't have offsite backups and insurance, well son, cut the power, break out the chainsaws, cut the wires, quit wasting you time posting to slashdot, and hope your customers/investors don't get wind of your incompetence.

    Good luck

  82. mattresses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "17-foot U-Haul? We have limited packing supplies."

    Do a quick round up of peoples bedding supplies: box springs, mattresses, blankets and pillows.

  83. Hand Trucks by ovoskeuiks · · Score: 1

    Build all your workstations and servers onto racks made from hand trucks, you know the ones with 2 rubber wheels that you use to move fridges and the like. You can build little shelves etc onto them with places to hook all the various cables then when you need to move you simply unplug the cables and wheel them out the door. It's cheap and effective you don't need people tripping over themselves trying to carry heavy bit of a gear onto a truck. If the gear already has wheels on it it's much easier to move safely.

  84. You do have backups of all the data? by Skapare · · Score: 1

    You do have backups of all the data, including from workstations, at a backup site well away from the fire zone, right? If not, grab the disks first and do nothing else until those are out of danger. Then deal with what will get you back on online and in operation somewhere, first. Don't bother what what insurance can replace.

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  85. Easy work. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd first start unracking the servers, the SANs/NAS devices, etc. load those into your Uhaul first. Grab some extra blankets from the house to use to help pack em in. Secondly, id go for the network gear, the switches, the routers, etc. Third, id grab the CPUs and get all that crap loaded. Monitors and printers can be replaced. Pack anything else you can easily grab after that, and head for the hills! or well the hills away from the fire!

  86. Split up some of the gear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Put blankets (heavy ones for padding) on the floor of the truck, all over. Get at least 2" of padding.
    2. Label everything, which hard drive goes in which position in each server.
    3. Label all the cables, and definitely photograph everything. Get a copy of that SD card, make maybe 3 copies.
    4. Pull the server hard drives and put them in a regular car, the truck's ride will be too rough.
    5. Once you have all the servers and workstations in the truck, it hopefully will load down the truck and soften the ride a bit.
    6. Wrap workstations in blankets as well, it will help cushion them.
    7. The phone system is probably connected via 25-pair cables, which will disconnect in one pull. Leave the other cables in place, if the building survives that will allow it to be put back in service quickly.
    8. Insurance would be great, but it won't cover everything. Make sure you have coverage on the truck, and coverage for the materials being carried. Get the full damage waiver, the likelihood of someone bumping the truck is pretty high in this situation.
    9. Offsite backups etc. are also wonderful, but they need hardware to put it on. What you're doing is decreasing the time needed to get back online by at least a week.
    10. Make sure not to put yourself in danger, get out promptly and don't take any chances. Make sure you have a full tank of fuel in the truck as often as possible. Make sure if it's a diesel to pay attention and use the right fuel. Gas in a Diesel tank will ruin the whole day.
    11. Make sure to bring water and food for the drivers, and expect to be driving in areas where all the gas stations are closed, and no new resources are available.
    12. I'd leave the rails from the servers behind, leave UPS's in the racks, leave monitors and keyboards. All of that stuff is easy to replace.

    General rule, heaviest stuff on the bottom, try not to stack stuff up high. Get a nice heavy padlock so you can keep the truck locked, no point in letting looters grab your hard work out from under you. Combination locks are nice but make sure at least three people, especially ones not in the evac crew know the combo.

  87. Data Centre Container by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get a Data Centre Container from Rittal (there maybe other's that do a similar concept). Use it as your server room. Store on a back of a truck (or have a forklift/crane/lift setup to get it onto a truck). In an emergency, cut all the hard lines running into it (mains power and network), drive it to the new loc and plug it in. Make all your workstations laptop's and everyone who uses one has the responsiblity to pick it up and carry it with them.

    All you need at the new site is basic structured cabling and extra fuel. The DCC is basically a server room in a shipping container, so has UPS, cooling, racks, lighting, generator all built in.

  88. two prongs to the fork here by swschrad · · Score: 2

    (A) have employees take their desk stuff... the laptops/desktops. four wraps of bubble wrap, and go. screw the rest. there are usually a bunch of apps and work files on individual PCs that are irreplaceable. some are even business-critical. but it's THEIR machine, they're up now because it's set up and ready to go. add DSL/cable/whatever and they can work from home.

    (B) send somebody west with backup set A. send somebody east with backup set B. then take out the servers and go. if you have very freaky setups in firewall appliances and routers, bring them, too. I like the idea of cheap-ass mattresses. fill the floor, and set the racks flat on their backs on the mattresses. yeah, it's overkill, but you have your inter-rack wiring, etc there.

    (C) insure you have critical business papers... server and software licenses, articles of incorporation, insurance policies... with you.

    screw the rest. employees can go anyplace for a monitor and keyboard/mouse kit. you can get a X-pack of twice-recycled cell phones at any of the corporate stores within 12-24 hours to operate on temporarily. if you can't get into building space at once and need to operate the business, haul the server room stuff to an ISP with colocation facilities and have your MX record transferred to their pipe.

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  89. Hire packers who live outside fire danger area by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you can afford it, and if you have time to bring in outside people, think about doing this:

    Label the equipment that you want to save. Make a video of the equipment, with the labels visible, and with an employee verbally describing the equipment, make it easier to set up the equipment again. Then send your employees home.

    Bring in IT people that you trust, who live outside the fire danger area. Hire them to pack up your equipment, papers, etc. Have them bring plenty of packing and padding material.

    Because these temporary IT employees live outside the danger area, they can concentrate on packing your equipment. They won't be glued to their phones, talking to insurance people, or arranging to evacuate their families.

  90. May be redundant to other answers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Assumes you are doing this in a few hours.
    1 Get out early, don't die in the fire.
    2 Get somebody else to do these steps while you think of other useful things to do.
    3 Take pictures of everything - lots and lots and LOTS of pictures. Zoom in on labels. If needed to identify the system (back of rack may not be informative enough in a picture) put a postit note on that gets photographed saying "server rack #3" or whatever.
    4 Try to bundle and leave the cables where they are after disconnecting them, use tape to quickly bundle them into place. You can scrape the tape off later.
    5 Load the data into your u-haul first.
    6 Leave a sprinkler running off a garden hose up on the roof. Close all the doors and windows.

  91. Backup your Cisco configs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you haven't done a `copy run flash` or whatever to save your cisco configs now would probably be a good time.

  92. Execute, or improvise! by RedLeg · · Score: 1
    IF you have a plan for this, and it sounds like you should, execute it. Manage by exception.

    If Not. Any former active duty military on staff? As them to help orchestrate.

    People first!

    ORDERLY shutdown everything, then physically disco the UPSs. If staff is still on site and bugging out in their own vehicles, consider having them evac their own workstations. Your shit is already in the wind, this might save _some_ things you might otherwise miss.

    The C-level officers and their secretaries PCs are important. They are not the same priority as joe shitbag in marketing. Prioritize. Printers, monitors, etc do NOT matter.

    If you have one of those fancy document center (printer scanner fax wtf-ever) gizzies, and YOU HAVE TIME, rape the HD out of it. It has more juicy data than you would believe....

    Servers. If you can grab em all, do so. Label EVERYTHING.

    If not, grab the drives, as others have advised, and LABEL EVERYTHING. Package as well as you can. Ziplocking each drive is not a bad idea, and gives you the op to label the bag. Raid your shipping department for packing material, and when you run out, rape the padding in the office furniture.

    Remember, people first!

    Network infrastructure is less important than your corp data. All that being said, if you have time, now is a good time to dump the configs on the routers, firewalls, etc. to HARDCOPY to take with.

    Same applies to the PBX.

    Have fun....... and quit reading /. when you need to be saving your bacon!

    Plan ahead next time, OK?

    Red

  93. plastic wrap ftw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    assuming you did your racks right, you shoudl be able to unplug power one or two other cables, and roll them onto the Uhaul. Simply strap them down and go. If you didn't, I'd just unplug the connecting bits (leaving the business ends in the machines) and plastic wrap them (heavily) Anything non-rack-mounted is, in my opinion, not serious computing, and therefore a casualty of the evac.

    as for workstations and the like, I typically like plastic wrap... lots and lots of it. You can use it to wrap cpu, monitor, keyboard and phone together. stack 'em deep and high between your racks, and throw ample blankets between layers.

  94. People first, data second by davidwr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Save your data and your people

    but not in that order.

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    1. Re:People first, data second by skovnymfe · · Score: 1

      I daresay that depends on the people in question. There are quite honestly some I'd be willing to sacrifice, if it meant getting my data out with me.

    2. Re:People first, data second by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Save your data and your people

      but not in that order.

      Oh, yes!, in that order, people are replaceable :D

    3. Re:People first, data second by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 1

      Save most of the people first, then property, and lastly evacuate your Emergency Management director who should've planned better. :)

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    4. Re:People first, data second by anyGould · · Score: 1

      Particularly if (a) *you* are the "people", and (b) you aren't the owner or shareholder of the data.

      It's well and good to have "company loyalty", but I wouldn't risk my personal hide for it.

  95. Serious answer by davidwr · · Score: 1

    1) If you aren't prepared for a tornado, fire, or other disaster to take out all of your equipment suddenly, you are't prepared. This means having offsite backups and a plan to buy replacement hardware and restore data within a reasonable period of time, or make the business decision that you can live with losing "everything" from an IT perspective.

    2) If you have the luxury of a few extra hours to evacuate, shut down the servers and take the drive or the boxes that the drives are in to the car. But this is just a bonus, so you can save time rebuilding later.

    3) If you have to ask this question when you are in the "pre-evacuation" zone, it's far, far, too late to be asking the question. DO come back next month and do some tabletop disaster-scenario exercises.

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  96. Scavengers? by dbIII · · Score: 2

    Your data is worth zero to looters and will be overwritten by pr0n anyway.

  97. subject by Legion303 · · Score: 1

    "What is the best way to load 50+ workstations, 6 servers, IP phones, networking gear, printers and wireless equipment into a 17-foot U-Haul?"

    Elbow grease.

    Alternate answer: talent.

    Alternate alternate answer: you should have asked Slashdot (or a consultant) when you were putting together your DR plan. That's not something you want to throw together at the last possible moment before your shit gets disastered.

  98. DRP.... by InspectorGadget1964 · · Score: 0

    If that were my network, I would have arrange proper insurance to start with, that should include finance to have equipment purchased to replace those destroyed by fire. I would also have regular (And corrrectly tested) backups stored off site. With a bit of immagination, you would have set up regular dumps of your data to a remote location, so the whold u-haul would have not been necesary (If you use some sort of *nix, you can put a couple of rsync lines in the crone and you have nothing to worry about.....)

  99. Container mounted servers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Insure and ignore the workstations.

    Get a hold of a transportable container and mount the servers/critical machines IN IT. Like sun was/is doing with server farms in containers. When the warning comes down, you just safely tow it with you. It might take some (basic) engineering to ensure proper power supply and ventilation, but shouldn't be hard to do.

    1. Re:Container mounted servers by couchslug · · Score: 1

      A 20-ft ISO container can be carried off on common rollback wreckers or flatbed trailers if you winch them on.

      It's a common way to transport them.

      Since they don't burn, if you build an earthen berm around them with HESCO bastion you can leave them in place. No one who lives in a forest fire zone should build anything not a bunker, and those are surprisingly easy to do.

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    2. Re:Container mounted servers by jampola · · Score: 1

      Yep, and if you're happy to keep the containers loaded on a trailer 24/7, this could work, otherwise, be prepared to purchase or rent an top loader or reach stacker to lift those bad boys back onto the trailer in time before you and the containers get cooked.

  100. Put it into the trailer NOW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't wait for the disaster to arrive. Buy a trailer and move everything into it now. If you don't have a garage door on your data center, build one now and back the trailer into it. When the data center is inside a trailer, running away becomes simpler.

    1. Disconnect the network cable (one high-capacity fiber link)
    2, Disconnect the power cable.
    3. Disconnect the external air conditioner that blows cold air through the trailer.
    4. Open the garage door
    5. back in the pickup truck and hitch up the trailer.
    6 DRIVE!

    Make sure you have the right insurance. Network switches and air conditioning and anything that stays put, needs normal fire and contents insurance. But the stuff in the trailer needs insurance that covers moving it, the potential for a car crash, etc.

    Make all your PCs do network boot, and mount iSCSI volumes for their storage. Enforce it by removing all PC hard drives. That way all your data is in the trailer and is safe. Make sure that all the documentation about PC configuration and network wiring is also in the trailer.

  101. Re: Action plan by tcgroat · · Score: 1

    Taking off the tech hat...others have given good advice for triage on the equipment, etc.

    Safety of you and your staff is the priority. Anybody who does not need to be there should get to safety now, before the evacuation order comes. The fewer people to be accounted for, the less chaos there will be if you need to leave on short notice. Make sure to exchange cell phone numbers (if you haven't already), so you can rendezvous with the others later on.

    Assign a person to be the safety monitor--to stay at the phone and radio, and get the word out to all others if the evacuation order comes. Vigilance is their only assignment. The safety monitor should have a list of everybody still on site, to be sure nobody is left behind. If you get the call to evacuate, you'll have only minutes to get everybody out and down the road to safety.

    Have N+1 vehicles ready to go, where N is the number you need to get everybody to safety. If one doesn't start, don't mess with it--leave it behind and call the insurance company later.

    You should have two ways out. If one becomes impassible because of the fire, head down the other way immediately.

    I hope you and your center escape the fire. But if it comes to a choice between you and the data center, let the servers melt!

  102. When you come back, cut fire breaks. by couchslug · · Score: 1

    Forest fires requires trees. Cut everything down for a couple of hundred yards around valuable structures, and keep any brush and growth cut in the future.

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  103. quick and dirty and will work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First, I hope you have offsite backups. A just in case is better than no fall back.

    If you're in a hurry and limited on resources, have your people unplug their own equipment and bundle the cords with it, and tag their phone, tower, monitor and cord bag. If you're moving workstations and servers in a uhaul, I'd pull your disks and pack them in a couple coolers with padding. It's easier to bad the insides of a couple of those than to cushion a large part of a truck. Towers and servers without disks are a lot more able to handle the bumps and would only need minimal protection around them to stop them from sliding/falling. Do splurge on a few of the big padded things Uhaul offers, and don't be afraid to get a couple $20 air mattresses to use as inflated padding too. Protect them from sharp corners and they work very well. Bags of tagged cords can be put in garbage bags (or if you're taking garbage cans, fill them with them). Phones can be put in paper boxes and taped shut.

    Big printers are more difficult than other hardware. They don't stack well, and no one keeps their boxes. If they're floor model printers, use webbing to secure them to the hooks/catches on the uhaul walls.

  104. none at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you'll get locked out of the building as part of phase 1 response.

    go and buy some doubletake or setup rsync .. if you are worried about it do it NOW...

    even after a hurricane I got locked out of an office in florida for over a month... zero damage to the building too..

  105. Don't by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 1

    Don't load ANY of your gear into a U-Haul truck. Move it if you must, but step one is to get a truck from another provider, because U-Haul vehicles are almost always rolling piles of crap with bald tires, crumby brakes, sketchy steering, and a million other problems that arise from the complete lack of maintenance they receive. Get a decent truck (from Budget, Penske, or ANYONE other than U-Haul, and consider a professional mover) unless you want to take the very real chance of having a breakdown and having to unload/load everything again. Seriously, it would be like using duct tape to hold that loose wing onto your airplane because you are only flying 50 miles - it might just work out fine, but that is a chance you need not take.

    Actual vehicle choice aside, you may find a professional moving company that is well insured and capable of handling your delicate equipment. They work quickly and efficiently and are reliable. You do the unhooking and setup and let them handle the transport. Tell them exactly what you are moving and why, and ask them to explain how they will secure everything in transit. I am a major proponent of DIY everything, but I am also a big fan of professional movers.

    If it is too late for all that, get everyone to back their minivans, SUVs, and "sport" wagons up to the door and start chuckin' the good stuff in the back... and hope your backups and insurance are in order.

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  106. If it can be replaced... by Spazmania · · Score: 1

    ...leave it. Phones. Printers. Networking gear. If it doesn't have a hard drive, leave it behind.

    Take the servers. Take the dozen workstations and laptops most likely to have stored mission-critical work on local drives. You already know who the knuckleheads are. And then go.

    Let insurance take care of the rest. If you've time, take some pictures so you can prove the state of the office. And if you're self-insured, well, now you know better for next time.

     

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  107. Data, and run. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Backup everything one last time, and send the backup away to a safe place. If you have time to pack the computers, put padding between them and the walls, and strap them in (hitting the walls is what is most likely to do damage -- the sudden stop). If no time to pack the computers, pull the disk drives and label them. Plan to take no more than half the time that it is estimated that you have. Later tell the county to encourage annual brush burnoff.

  108. Gotta love the faggots here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should have offsite backups and a disaster plan already in place.

    Well no fucking shit, that wasn't the question and above all completely fucking useless this time.

    Stupid fucker really needs to me a mod option.

  109. Why not setup your server room in the 17ft u-haul?

  110. use the zabutons for cushioning the hard drives by ffflala · · Score: 1

    Spent a few weeks up at RMSC myself years ago. If the hard drives aren't SSDs, bumping them around in transit and while packing/unpacking might risk head crashes. Since you have a lot of them, cushion the drives on a layer or three of the zabutons you have lying around.

    I really hope the stupa survives the fire. Please follow up after you're able to return, and good luck.

  111. Cloud? by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 1

    Offsite back-up is right, like in the cloud. That way, once they get new equipment, they can always restore what's been lost.

    Like in the cloud, you mean MegaUpload?

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    1. Re:Cloud? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, no. An American cloud, so it gets backed up by multiple parties.

  112. whole servers? by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 1

    If you want your drives to fail, put the servers in a u-haul without any protective packaging. Just pull the drives pack those carefully (label them first) and then start putting in expensive small equipment if you have time and no insurance. You do have your backups offsite already, right?

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  113. Start with the data center in a container by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A container costs $300 or so. Cover it with red lead paint. Dry line it so it is pleasant. Cost $2000 maybe so far.
    Put air conditioning in it (that's the bit I don't know).

    Keep your valuable stuff (the rack mounted servers) in the container.

    If you have loads of space left, have a place to put the workstation carcasses in.

    When the fire arrives, everyone picks up their workstation carcass, puts it in the container, you unplug it from the mains, pick it up and drive away

  114. Leadership by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (For the snarky commentators I say the submitter has to do the best he can in a difficult situation. Asking /. may give insights, DOs or DONTs so is reasonable thing to do.)

    When you have your plan then its a matter of implementing it. IMHO the best way to get many hands working together is to give a clear objective, basic instructions and definite parameters. For example "Normal business will stop at 3pm. Get the home phone numbers of your work colleagues. etc. etc. "

    As far as getting the tech out I would aim to steal enough with the objective of having a working system set up somewhere else within hours and then doing it in say your living room. This objective, ie. a working server/router etc. and this method means the next day when you go back you're a lot wiser about the details that matter.

    (Obvious, but people don't think of these things.) Park your transport, whether private cars or trucks right close to the place where you're taking stuff from. Get a tail-lift truck for heavy gear.

  115. Storm shutters by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 1

    The old houses used to have storm shutters. These were wooden panels that could be closed and locked in place over the glass windows. Unlike boarding up a house with plywood, a hammer and nails, the storm shutters could be deployed in minutes. You'd think they'd catch on again in hurricane zones. You do see some fake shutters from time to time, but these are useless decorations nailed fast to the side of the house.

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    1. Re:Storm shutters by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately not. Storm shutters are expensive, and house contractors build houses as crappy as possible now days. Second they are not "trendy" so people dont want them.

      If a house was built with real brick and real wood, storm shutters would be perfect. Vynal siding and the faux brickwork over foam board that houses are built out of today can barely handle a 90mph wind.

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    2. Re:Storm shutters by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately not. Storm shutters are expensive

      They don't cost much more than the decorative non-functional shutters that people place next to their windows, and you can usually get a discount on your insurance too.

      One example that's cheaper than most decorative "shutters":
      http://www.homedepot.com/Doors-Windows-Exterior-Shutters-Storm-Hurricane-Protection/h_d1/N-5yc1vZbtoj/R-202387798/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&superSkuId=202974261

      While not the best protection at that price, it's surely going to be better than plywood and nails.

    3. Re:Storm shutters by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Not a chance those are better protection than plywood. they are thin aluminum and after a storm will need replacing. Plus the tiny hinges will not keep them on the house in case of a hurricane.

      A flying branch will bounce off a 3/4" 7 ply plywood board, it will rip through this thin sheet aluminum vacation home shutter.

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    4. Re:Storm shutters by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      The fact remains that a storm shutter easily equivalent to said 3/4" plywood should be readily available and probably actually be cheaper once you consider the time needed to put the plywood up vs closing the storm shutters, not putting screw holes in your frame, and the fact that hurricanes in many areas are an annual occurance. So if the shutters last 20 years and you need to replace the plywood every 5...

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  116. Disaster recovery plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since you apparently don't have one, and assuming this really is an emergency situation, try the following:

    - Prioritise kit that holds irreplaceable data: anything else you can work around
    - That means don't even consider shifting the phones, printers, displays... unless you find you've got a lot more time than you first thought.
    - Consider the impact on the whole business. If the fire hits the Centre, how long for the rest of the business to recover? IT may not be a priority in the Big Picture.
    - Keep calm, do what you can, stay safe.

  117. From IT Risk Assesser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've done more IT Security Risk assessments (Australia) which which involve these sorts of fire threats than I can remember and frankly, you don't, don't evacuate a network that is. Get insurance. Equipment can be replaced, data can't. Focus on data. I've not seen one cost-benefit analysis which shows that having portable equipment and infrastructure to support any IRP/DRP is more cost-effective than proper insurance with proper data protection in place but you never know, you may be that unique scenario. Of course none of this helps you now but after this is over this should be your priority.

  118. Priority - Plan by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

    Build your entire environment into standard shipping 'containers' that can be lifted onto a container moving truck and if the order comes to evacuate, the container(s) go on the truck(s) and off you go.

    That being said I am completely with those who say leave the hardware behind and get out.

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  119. When you say servers, workstations & IP phones by jampola · · Score: 1

    ...do you mean a fuckton of weed? Because if common sense ruled, you would know that PROPER off-site backup and insurance is the answer.

  120. Don't by 1s44c · · Score: 1

    Don't. Buy fire and theft insurance and leave the kit there. Buy new kit if the worst happens.

    You could consider removable disk cadies so you can remove all the data in a real hurry if you have to.

  121. Quick! by RivenAleem · · Score: 2

    To The Cloud!

    1. Re:Quick! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To The Cloud!

      I agree! Best protection against natural disaster is offsite backup. If you do local backups, just take your backup device. To hell with the rest, let the insurance company deal with that.

  122. You Need a Disaster Plan by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    All of your workstations should already be image-backed to one of your servers daily, so there should be no need to take any of the workstations with you. If one of your servers has the space, I'd be scrambling to at least get a windows image backup done right now. At least then you'd just be throwing the server boxen in the back of your station wagon since you probably don't have an off-site backup plan.

    If it's simply a matter of funds and you can't afford this stuff, at least get some decent rackmount cases for your servers and put them in a 24U rack that you can just wheel out on a hand truck.

    Insurance will replace the stuff left behind. If you don't have insurance, you deserve to be bitch-slapped.

  123. really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think what you have to ask yourself is:
    If there was a fire on your back door, would you risk your life (or actually expect anyone else to) to protect the companies equipment?
    Or would you rather drive home and make sure your family is safe?

  124. It's Already Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If your asking this question then you don't have a contingency plan (a violation in some states) for disasters.

    Let it all go, and spend you time either looking for your next employer (because they probably won't be very happy with you)
    and learn about and develop a contingency plan for the risks that are likely in your area, including fire, flood, and possibly earthquake and weather.
    Since many disasters can leave you without services for 72 hours (even if you didn't evacuate) there should be plans in place to set up operation either at another location or alternate mirror site within 24 hours at a place that is not likely to experience the same problem at the same time. Partnering with other companies, even competitors (yes, this does happen) can help reduce down time.

    But all of this needs to be set in place BEFORE a disaster happens.

  125. BUY the freakin' truck by opentunings · · Score: 2

    If there's a wildfire coming your way, everybody who owns a Civic is going to be at the truck rental places ahead of you in line. Your facility will burn before you even get to the counter.

    Buy a truck and park it on the facility property. Or buy two small vans (which would probably have more computer-friendly suspensions) and keep them there. They'll be useful every time the company needs to evacuate ahead of a fire...or move from one office to another...or help the CEO move when (s)he buys a new home...or help relo new employees from out of town.

    Anytime there's hardware that can't be replicated in advance in an offsite disaster recovery facility, you really need to be able to move it 24x7. And without the truck, your entire disaster recovery plan goes down the toilet. The truck is the critical path, and needs to be treated as such.

    1. Re:BUY the freakin' truck by FatAlb3rt · · Score: 1

      Great advice, but you might be better off buying something used off craigslist and reselling it once things settle down. You might lose any money in the deal.

    2. Re:BUY the freakin' truck by opentunings · · Score: 1

      It could be difficult to buy a truck from Craigslist as the firestorm approaches. Then again, I suspect that UHaul and Ryder occasionally sell their used trucks for pretty cheap. I agree though, it doesn't have to be a new truck.

      And remember, even new, a truck's only going to cost about the same price as a mid-range *nix server or a handful of commodity x86 servers. In the grand scheme of things it's just not that big an expense, compared to the loss risks. But ymmv.

    3. Re:BUY the freakin' truck by jemenake · · Score: 1

      Buy a truck and park it on the facility property.

      That's what immediately went through my head, too... except I was thinking that they should just build the servers INTO the truck and wire the networking to it. That could actually be a fun project, working out the ventilation and making the most-efficient use of the space. In case of fire, unhook the power and network trunks and drive away.

  126. yeah, don't bother by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 1

    First, you should have off-site backups of your critical data. Put it in the cloud or some off-site company server.

    Second, your life is worth more then the value of any of the equipment or data you are trying to save. You can always walk away from a company that lost all its critical data, but risking your life to protect that data is stupid.

    Lastly, your employees (and you and IT?) will most likely love it if all their equipment burned to the ground, chances are they are running ancient crap (like 99% of all companies that want to save a buck by NOT investing in the software and equipment their employees use every day), so if the company burns down then the insurance will pay for everyone to get all nice new shiny upgrades.

    Life is the most valuable so if you see smoke, leave the equipment behind, help others and run away.

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  127. X-prize by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    not sure what the best answer is, but sponsoring a contest and allowing multiple people to attempt to actually solve the problem ( maybe with sets of mock equipment) and giving them a nice prize for the solution would be a good way to find out.

  128. If you *have* to move the stuff... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make it easy to move.

    Blade systems are one way. Two people to pull it out of the rack, and a dolly ride to the truck, and you've just moved 20 systems. Repeat twice, you've got all 50 out of there. Not to mention, since the blade chassis usually have internal networking, there are minimal cables to unplug and reconnect.

    For desktop, virtualize them, and use $300 PCoIP clients. *IF* the employees want to take them, it takes two minutes to unhook, and it might even fit in some pants pockets. The admins can carry out the blade chassis that has all of the disks and CPUs, again on a single trip with a dolly.

    With such a setup, having EVERYTHING out inside of 15 minutes is feasible. If you have pre-assigned teams to parallelize moving the servers, 10 minutes is quite doable.

    But, as others have said, consider just letting them burn and replacing with insurance money.

  129. Post Haste by neurosine · · Score: 1

    If you have a solid backup system, you should already have a disaster recovery plan wrapped around your off site data, and a backup Tape Drive/NAS if you can grab it it. So when the bell rings, you walk out...and grab a most current backup device on your way out if you have the time. You should be able to start recreating core services at a new site. The way to avoid trust issues is to never need to trust very much.

  130. please no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't give me an excuse to make fun of Sham-bhala. It's not fair.
    I though you guys were going to meditate and magically put the fire out.

  131. You must protect Juiz by Immerial · · Score: 1

    You might just want to consider building your next IT center in a shipping container that can be detached and loaded on to a semi. Done properly your UPS and AC systems would keep them alive until you could get to an alternate location with power and network which you should already have contracted for in advance.

    Noblesse oblige. I pray for your continuing service as a savior.

  132. If I had to prep a network for evacuation by Aggrav8d · · Score: 1

    Hardware is replaceable, data is not. So:
    All the workstations would be thin clients - no data loss if someone forgot a workstation.
    I'd mount the servers onto racks on wheels that I know will fit into the truck. They are also chained to the floor to prevent theft. In the event of an emergency the servers are unchained and turned off, then rolled out the door and into the vehicle. I would test this evacuation once a year. Possible bonus: You can now rearrange the server room with greater ease.

  133. Act on best, prepare for worst by leehwtsohg · · Score: 1

    Writing as someone who knows nothing about networks or fire or anything even closely related, but I am a bridge player, this is taken from bridge, and I know a bit of game theory...

    I would act on the scenario that minimizes your loss.
    If the fire doesn't reach you, you don't want to have a big loss from having to build everything back, debugging everything from scratch.
    Don't take apart too much that is hard to put back together.

    But, be ready for the worst case. Take the data, everything easily movable and easily put back in its place.

    What you should really be doing is minimize loss incurred over all actions, integrating for every action over the probability of every possible outcome. The strategy I outlined above is supposed to be an approximation to this exact formula....

  134. Emergency planning by Firethorn · · Score: 2

    What I'm seeing here is a disagreement on the time frames involved. I liked one of the posters who mentioned 'acute emergency'. A wildfire miles away, with the area being declared a 'pre-evacuation' zone indicates that there is not only no exceptional danger yet, but that there's an emergency alert system in place to tell you BEFORE it becomes acute.

    In which case acting to protect property is still on the cards. Choices include 'shelter in place' and 'evacuate'. For a fire, the answer is generally evacuate for people, but the equipment can still shelter.

    The ideal time to be planning for an emergency is always NOW. Plan for fire even if there's no wildfires in the state, no fire in the building, but if it's too late for that, you can still improve your situation by doing the planning. A bit more expensive, results aren't going to be quite as good, but it can still be done.

    Long term(fire not expected other than general threat), if you're in an area where wildfires are a possibility, involves turning your building into a shelter. Don't put vinyl siding up, put up aluminum or even steel, backed by the appropriate fire-resistant insulation. Install fireproof shutters. I've seen vinyl siding melt with just radiant heat; once it's gone the wood behind it can catch. Clear an area around the building, short grass or better yet fire resistant plants such as Sage or Yarrow for within 30 feet of the building. Remember, keep the plants trimmed, and water when fire is expected!

    Medium term(fire is expected within days) - too late to change what's planted, your roof/siding, etc... You still have time, depending on your available resources, to remove dead vegetation, trees too close to the building, mow the lawn short(and the only time I'd bag and remove the cuttings). After that, wet everything down to protect against cinders.

    Short term(hours) - remove what dead vegetation and trees that you can, set up what water you can, leave early so that you're not fighting with the other last minute evacuees.

    Acute - leave already! Forget everything except maybe the backup tapes. Which should have been in an appropriate firesafe/cabinet already. Remember: A firesafe rated for paper is NOT rated for magnetic tape for the same temperatures/times. The average 'fireproof' safe or filing cabinet is only rated for paper. You can get removable type drive bays that are rated for fire/water. But at 15 minutes of protection, they're unlikely to work against a wildfire sparked building fire.

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  135. Sale by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have a "fire" sale on the equipment, once you removed the hard drives!~

  136. Tweet that you need help by obscuro · · Score: 1

    Tweet that you need help moving the stuff and pass it on. When we had the big fire in Boulder pretty much everything was handled long before official responses but people on the #boulderfire twitter feed. Ask everyone in your social network to retweet the request. You'd be surprised how effective it is.

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  137. Need phycial hel? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hi there!

    I am retired IT - a former US Forest Service IT director living in the mountains near Golden. Do you need some physical help? I can be at the fire scene in about one hour?

  138. Look at what you have differently, for packing by whitroth · · Score: 1

    I'm sure you don't have enough boxes. Consider this: rip the cushions off all the chairs and couches, and cover the floors. Actually, you should be able to get heavy blanketing for the floors. Rolls of bubble wrap are sold at UHaul, too. Cover the floor. Flatten your carboard boxes, then pack the mess on them. Save a box or three for the absolutly critical machines. Then more heavy blankets on the sides and top, and rope it down, tight - you don't want it all bouncing, I think.

    PULL OUT THE DRIVES of anything that has hot-swap, and package them more carefully, and put them in your car.

    That's what I'd do.

                      mark

  139. Compression by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rent a wood chipper; should be able to fit all that in a 17 foot Uhaul no problem.

  140. What about... burying your servers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, stick them into a big cement hole with some sort of water-cooling or other method such as heat-transferance into the cold, hard earth.
    Then again, I suppose you don't really need computing power during a bushfire... so shut them down, close the cement door, and drive away like the Dukes of Hazzard!
    You can come back after the flames. With a shovel. And some water, cos you'll need it when shovelling the ash away from the front door.

  141. fire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go update your resume and start job hunting.

  142. Chief Burning Bit say by Sigg3.net · · Score: 1

    Put everything in cloud. Pray for rain. How.

  143. How????? by Vrtigo1 · · Score: 1

    Seriously, how do these questions even get to Slashdot? Call a moving company or PODS and tell them to pack it up. Problem solved.