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Indian School Textbook Says Meat-Eaters Lie and Commit Sex Crimes
another random user writes with bad news from the BBC for anybody who enjoys a hamburger now and again:
"Meat-eaters 'easily cheat, lie, forget promises and commit sex crimes,' according to a controversial school textbook available in India. New Healthway, a book on hygiene and health aimed at 11 and 12 year-olds, is printed by one of India's leading publishers. 'This is poisonous for children,' Janaki Rajan of the Faculty of Education at Jamia Millia University in Delhi told the BBC. 'The government has the power to take action, but they are washing their hands of it,' she said. 'The strongest argument that meat is not essential food is the fact that the Creator of this Universe did not include meat in the original diet for Adam and Eve. He gave them fruits, nuts and vegetables,' reads a chapter entitled Do We Need Flesh Food? The chapter details the 'benefits' of a vegetarian diet and goes on to list 'some of the characteristics' found among non-vegetarians. 'They easily cheat, tell lies, forget promises, they are dishonest and tell bad words, steal, fight and turn to violence and commit sex crimes,' it says."
except for the God and Adam and Eve part.. they don't believe in that shit
Next time an American school demands their textbooks "teach the controversy" of intelligent design or some other bullshit, we should show them this Indian textbook as an example of how doctoring our textbooks is making us look to the rest of the world.
There's no -1 for "I don't get it."
This is a delicious CARNE ASADA burrito I'm eating right now...
Some meat-eaters easily cheat, lie...
Unfortunately vegetarians do all of the same, only easier and more frequently.
Clearly the Creator omitted meat because he knew Adam and Eve would soon be sinners.
In a country where meat is more or less luxury, is convenient to make the people believe that meat is bad.
Religion: The greatest weapon of mass destruction of all time
and they still can't understand why so many westerners won't take them seriously as engineers, scientists or doctors.
And still the meat-eaters argue.
India be trollin' the ol' video archive, I see...
An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
But what it doesn't say is that vegetarians do too.
Please to be not including definite or indefinite articles. I am wishing to appear to be ignorant and uninformed.
Nothing they say is untrue. Of course the exact same could be said for Vegitarians, Vegans and any other group of people identified soley by their diet choices.
and don't even get me started on Breatharians.....
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That was supposed to go in the section on politicians.
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just wait for help desk India to come to the meat packing plat.
I want to touch you - you're leading me on - I know it.
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look out world, its friday night and i just had me a T-bone steak!
Since when do Christians, Jews or Muslims abstain from meat? Or teach that meat makes you wicked? Hindus and Buddhists don't believe in Adam & Eve. I'd really like to know who is backing this textbook.
What has ever caused more human suffering than religion?
Mitt Romney must eat be eating horse and elephant daily.
I chose to do this two years ago after reading a 20 year investigative study on slaughterhouses, factory farms, FDA, etc. (the book is called Slaughterhouse) and after watching the documentary called "Earthlings". I'm not interested in finding "humane farmers", I chose to go vegetarian. People told me that I'd have pale skin, would be sick all the time, low energy, wouldn't have enough this or that, etc. What happened? For the first time in my life I haven't had seasonal allergies, a cold, a flu or been sick since changing my diet. Also for years I had skin problems around my nose, and two doctors told me to wear sunscreen and moisturizing cream to fix it. I didn't do either, I just changed my diet and the skin returned to normal. I've maintained my weight and on most days have high energy levels. I don't credit my previous health problems to meat, I credit it to not eating healthy. When I became a vegetarian I had to learn to cook again (new recipes) and focused on a healthier diet. So, my point is that there is nothing wrong with a vegetarian diet. If you study nutrition and make sure you get everything your body needs, you can live a totally healthy normal life.
I don't expect others to eat differently while dining with me, and don't try to convert them to be a vegetarian. Meat eaters shouldn't try to convince us to go back to eating meat either.
And yes the Indian textbook from the article is poison for the mind. Pure propaganda. Not unlike American mainstream media/Ministry of Truth.
since this is in india, they probably mean "muslims"
For years we were told that milk would make us strong. Milk is still served as the sole diary, even though many kids are intolerant of it. For a time yogurt was served instead of milk. Cheese is also good, but children are taught processed cheese is just like real cheese.
There is a fight against distinguishing the various forms of sugars, but children are taught that animal protein is superior to vegetable protien, and that a McDonalds hambuger is a superior meal to quinoe pilaf, or that the cheap sausage that so many kids eat is superior to a bowl of oatmeal with an egg.
Even worse, schools and the media hardly every talk about the difference between a complex and simple carbohydrate. Most will equate eating candy with eating a whole grain. Somehow a baked potato is inferior to a barbqued ribs with the sauce full of simple carbohydrate.
I am sure this is going to make all those indignant meat eaters faint from the nerve of those people who disagree with them, but get over it. Not everyone believes that meat is neccesary, and much of the world is very healthy with minimum or no meat. Not all economies are built on selling junk to kids. Some economies fund health care fully, so there is no advantage to making people sick so that MBAs can get rich by taking a cut of inflated health care costs.
And all countries tell little white lies to push people in the direction they want them to go. Like kissing causes pregnancy. Or condoms don't protect against STDs. Or meat is needed to be healthy. Or eating the occasional junk, or smoking, or anyother of silly things, is going to cause no harm.
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I was about to go on a rant about how they wouldn't even be called meat eaters in India. But it's right there in the summary. Non-vegetarians.
Meat is usually called non-veg in India or at least the small parts of it that I have lived in.
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'We are wise, And the law of the LORD is with us'? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes Has made it into a lie. Nuff Said.....
Say, wasn't Hitler a vegetarian? Well, I guess he wasn't known for telling bad words at least.
WHOOSH
... the textbook was written by a meat eater.
Correlation is not causation!
I like steak, burgers, chicken, and bacon.
The best thing about meat eaters over veggies is.... They don't spend a portion of their life TELLING PEOPLE WHAT THEY SHOULD BE EATING!
Bad like the religious nuts...
Textbook writers easily cheat, tell lies, forget promises, they are dishonest and tell bad words, steal, fight and turn to violence and commit sex crimes.
Bad textbook writers.
"I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it." : Dogbert
What rubbish. I love meat and my crimes have nothing to do with sex...
"another random user writes with bad news from the BBC for anybody who enjoys a hamburger now and again:" Read "McDonald's opens vegetarian-only restaurant" (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19479013) and be enlightened! Seriously, the vegetarians that get "preachy" against the evils of meat-eating are either zealots or the culinary equivalent of ex-smokers. Many people would probably class me as a vegetarian, even if I eat eggs and cheese. I also don't mind eating bacan-flavored junk food. It's simply not worth it to be fussy about somebody trying to poison me by sneaking in that milligram of lard.
Because it means that the US hasn't cornered the market on stupidity, or even the market slice of telling lies in school textbooks.
Who else would lie like that?
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because they don't bleed. Seriously. I asked my local health food guru if I should take an Iron supplement, and she looked at me like I had lobsters coming out of my ears. As for Women, just about all bread is fortified, and if all else fails take a supplement.
Most vegetarians and vegans that see huge health gains though aren't seeing them because of meat, they're seeing them because going vegetarian forces them to clean up their diet. It's the same reason the Akin's diet works. You cut out a tonne of junk food. In Vegan's case it's usually fast food. That's literally why I went vegetarian -> It' keeps me away from Fast Food hamburgers, which I can eat and eat and eat.
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... is my hamburger.
Who else would lie like that?
... and I am a KNIGHT.
Knights never lie, and knaves always lie!
Problem is, do you know where those vitamins vegetarians have to eat (be it in bread or pill form) come from? Hint: They don't throw all the cow blood away.
"This is poisonous for children," Janaki Rajan of the Faculty of Education at Jamia Millia University in Delhi told the BBC.
"The government has the power to take action, but they are washing their hands of it," she said.
And that's the appropriate solution. Instead of getting upset that there's an offensive book out there, the activists should be using this as an opportunity to find out where the nutcases are in their educational system. It's bigotry bait.
...who eat vegitarians....mmmmmmmm
Oh man, where to begin with a post like this...
First of all, it has been my experience that, as ESL speakers, Indians are among the most fluent in the world. It seems to me that they take great care to learn and use English well, unlike the stumbling parody you provided. No doubt a consequence of British colonialism, but perhaps a happy one.
Second, it is my opinion that the English language is very much enriched by hearing it spoken in so many fascinating accents. Let's face it: every one of us has an accent that sounds "funny" to more than one other culture in the world. We can giggle now and then about how weird we sound to each other, but let's keep it at a good-natured level.
Third, learning a second language is difficult. Those who speak something other than English as a second language are all-too-well aware of the challenge. Just imagine how you would sound trying to order a meal in a foreign land. Probably much worse than the example you gave. And yet you just might find that the server is pleased at your effort.
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Given some of the dumb educational related 'ideas' coming out of the midwest US, I read that as 'Indiana'...
Gotta havit Meat.
Because food eats plants .
That statement is 100% true. Misleading, but true.
Do the needful.
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I just sent you an instant message to tell you about the e-mail I sent, so that you'd know that I called you, both on your desk phone and cell phone about a request I just submitted 13 seconds ago. Tell me, done when it will be?
I will call your phones again in 30 seconds to let you know about the instant message informing you of the e-mail, regarding the 2 phone calls, so that i may ask yet again why it is not done yet.
Life feeds on life. Blame "God" and not the generalist lifeforms who evolved to eat meat and accept life for the way it is rather than some idealistic wonderland that couldn't even possibly exist.
Oh man, where to begin with a post like this...
First of all, it has been my experience that, as ESL speakers, Indians are among the most fluent in the world. It seems to me that they take great care to learn and use English well, unlike the stumbling parody you provided
Sure, most Indians can speak English pretty well. But if you've never encountered the sort of post the GP was parodying, you must not have been on many programming forums. For instance, here's a fine example of the form:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rubyonrails-talk/PlZOm0qlYMI/discussion
The original author literally *pasted* an interview question and just said "help me in finding solution" in the subject. When a couple people call him on it, he breaks into a semi-coherent string of posts laden with Kannada invective.
Beyond that, if I had a nickel for every "pls give me the codes" post I'd seen, I'd be able to retire...
Therein lies the problem. One Abrahamic monotheism uses sharp steel hardware to sell its message and now has a near monopoly on the hydrocarbon supply on this planet. Another Abrahamic monotheism has made it difficult to join since that community understands that it also includes a ticket to flee to well-developing state in SW Asia with all sorts of benefits for said individuals. The third Abrahamic monotheism always winds up corrupting its doctrines to gain popularity with the audience and so this monotheism winds up attacking the second monotheism under the rubric of supersessionism. It is not to mention that these sorts either get speared or immolated in motor vehicles. These go so far as to proclaim "pork consumption salvation for both initiation and maintenance." Meanwhile the first monotheism claim to have superseded both the second and the third and is quite willing to use sharp steel hardware as well as nitrated organic compounds to assist in said solicitation.
The Nasrani may take exception as they do retain a number of Jewish practices [grin].
Since it is well established in modern times that abstaining from meat is pervasively associated with the worship of foreign deities, I would consider that eating (kosher) meat a "fence" (Rabbinic tradition cf. Hillel:"be deliberate in judgment, build fences around the Torah, and raise up many disciples") against idolatry.
Although there is no lack of vegetarians in China, pork, chicken, and seafood are all basic traditional parts of their cuisine. If a textbook is going to denigrate a rival by saying
This could be as much or more about China, as opposed to the rest of the world.
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At least it's not chicken...
meat eaters do do all of those things (and worse) it's just that so do non-meat eaters.
"They easily cheat, tell lies, forget promises, they are dishonest and tell bad words, steal, fight and turn to violence and commit sex crimes."
WHAT? FUCK YOU!! I will kill you and take everything you fucking own!! First I will beat you senseless and rape the shit out of you!!! ...oh, wait. I forgot I promised not to do all those things. Sorry, I lied!
so beware India.
Steve Jobs was a Vegan and lied all the time. One of his many lies; he had a child out of wedlock and said it wasn't his!
you mean 'all your Bouillabaisse are belong to us'.
I think that's what you meant.
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But is the converse true? Do NON-meat-eaters always tell the truth and NEVER commit sex crimes?
This is good news for meat eaters.
Given that one earth is not enough to raise cattle for 7 billions of meat-eaters, the one that want to keep eating meat should warmly welcome such propaganda. Anything that increase the amount of veggies increase the chances that non-veggies can get meat.
It's just that they left out the bit about vegetarians being the same.
Oh, and as for the comments on Inuits (Eskimos), if their population is large enough no doubt there are at least a few who are lazy, sluggish, and short-lived.
Now, as for because they live on "a diet largely of meat", with that I'm calling on them to put up peer-reviewed, reproducible, credible academic research to back it up or shut the bleep up.
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Seriously, I agree with the BBC, crap like this has no place in a textbook, except perhaps in a textbook on how to use propaganda.
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And yet you just might find that the server is pleased at your effort.
Yeah, unless you're speaking Spanish to a Catalunian. That waiter got so angry another member of staff had to serve me.
Somebody mod this up to hilarious.
This is why Dave had a hard time finishing school.
Please do the thankful!
It's all true! Unless you're suggesting vegans don't lie/cheat/whatever.... vegans are whores... it's the only reason anyone puts up with their shit.
Cheat, lie, forget promises, then what?
Why, without your clothes, you're naked, Miss Dudley!
First of all, it has been my experience that, as ESL speakers, Indians are among the most fluent in the world. It seems to me that they take great care to learn and use English well, unlike the stumbling parody you provided. No doubt a consequence of British colonialism, but perhaps a happy one.
There's a huge selection bias that the people you're likely to communicate with in English are those who know it well. Only about 12% of Indians are considered English-speaking, I'm not sure if a person like the grandparent would be counted to the 12% or the 88% but there's extremely many of them. There's a lot of non-English colonies doing more, for example here in Norway some 89% are now English-speaking and it's a compulsory subject from the first school year (age 6), by the time you've finished high school you'll have had 1800-2000 hours in your primary language and 700 hours of English. Also we don't generally don't dub English-speaking TV series and movies except for small children and at least in higher education you're expected to read English textbooks. I think you'll find the average Indian is far from the most fluent in the world.
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Why you are surprised? 2 weeks ago, one guy from England told me that in Facebook and unfriend me when I told him that I am not vegetarian. Maybe the next level in bulling will be "carnivores vs. vegetarian".
Meat eaters deceive the animals by treating them well only to suddenly turn on them and murdering them. (Lie/cheat) They also deceive their children by not slaughtering the animal in front of their children, children may not know they are being fed a corpse. How can one 'trust' a person who would consider the material that another person is made out of, as 'food'? The only thing to trust, is that if they are hungry YOU may be on the menu.
Meat eaters are under the influence of adrenal-chrome (fear chemical excreted by sentient beings from traumatic experiences, and have more fluctuations of the mind or 'passions'. Meat is unhealthy and unneeded by human beings.
The text book did not give good reasons for their statements.
Most likely the author of the book is a Christian since David is not Hindu name and I guess he is from the same church that was involved in Hotel Rwanda.
Indians are mostly vegetarian because major religions in India (Hindu and Jain) reject meat. They reject meat not because of health reasons but because of moral/ethical reason of violence involved in producing meat.
Other fact to note is that in India traditionally, the more elite one is, the less likely that he will consume meat so you will see the class of super rich like Mittals and Ambanis are predominantly vegetarians.
Meat eaters do lie and commit sex crimes. So do some vegetarians I know.
Those who speak something other than English as a second language are all-too-well aware of the challenge. Just imagine how you would sound trying to order a meal in a foreign land.
I would sound inexplicably slow and unreasonably loud. Probably mostly in English. I guess it is not inexplicable, I'm American.
But so do vegetarians.
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Mothers sentence their children to death....
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huh?
I work with a bunch of Indians. Do they speak good English? Fuck no. Fuck that. The stumbling parody is not correct enough.
easily cheat, tell lies, forget promises, they are dishonest and tell bad words, steal, fight and turn to violence and commit sex crimes
Yes we do all that in here in the cold North easily. We also drink a lot. That might have something to do with it. Be happy for your nutritious plants grow in your soil which has not suffered an ice age. The real challenge, my Southern bothers and sisters, is to eat meat to survive, drink hard liqueur moderately to "stay warm" and still integrate with Brahman, gain Enlightenment, be Saved(tm), or be a good citizen.
Also, France.
I agree with you completely. My wife is German and struggles to understand Swiss speakers, Austrians sound "like morons" (as do Bavarians).
English speakers I meet seem to have a very different attitude regardless of where they're from, usually just happy if whoever they're speaking with can communicate well enough to accomplish the task at hand. I think English in many ways, in no small part because of the immigration policies of the US and Canada and even before that the nature of British merchants has always been changed in the spirit of base functionality rather than to protect any sense of culture or identity. It's a problem for some because the grammar and spellings are an amalgamation of every language that they've ever come into contact with, but on the up side everyone is so used to experiencing different accents and mannerism just from their own countries that those aboard aren't really all that much more challenging.
Note this is generally abroad or with the more urban or educated, there are certainly shits who never leave their home towns who complain that anyone they speak to should speak the same low brow teenage English they do.
They do. And so do people who don't eat meat.
Fuck off you Spaniard scum. He should have served you with an apple in your mouth.
First it was 'Astrology is a science', and now *this*?!
What is wrong with my country, and how do I fix it?
There are some very interesting studies regarding the links between meat consumption, testosterone levels, and related impacts. Most point to zinc shortages in one's diet, and the corrected testosterone levels incurred when said shortages are addressed by increased meat consumption. Not to say, especially as I happen to be a male, that increased testosterone levels will guarantee lying, cheating, and stealing. There does, however, seem to be a (single-sample-point, empirically-backed, possibly-placebo) link between consumption of multiple medium-cooked 2/3-lb burgers from The Counter and one's libido over subsequent days. (Not to spam a business link, but it's by far the tastiest way to get a testosterone boost I know of.)
What you are describing here is an anecdote. This is not the norm in Catalonia by any means, as your post tries to convey. In fact, it is rather the opposite. Especially, when ~50% of Catalans' mother tongue is Spanish. Foreigners even complain that they find it hard to learn Catalan, because Catalans automatically switch to Spanish for them, assuming it will make communication easier. I really don't get the reason why you felt compelled to post this. Either you know you are lying (because you live here or have been here for long enough to know better) or you had unbelievably bad luck in your visit here (which I find, well, sort of unbelievable).
I had a blind cat once, adopted from a shelter. The previous abuser was one of those hippies who believe you can live on vegetables. Humans can do it with a strict diet (read: add lots of additives to replace meat) but cats can't, they are meat eaters and need it to be healthy.
http://www.essentialvegetarian.com/2007/07/08/7-reasons-why-your-cat-cannot-be-vegetarian/
Eatings less meat in the west wouldn't be a bad thing but vegans are so obsessed with their faith they ignore science and common sense. Look at your cat, does it look like a plant eater?
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well, its true. i know meat eaters that commit crimes, say bad words and have cheated.
Jumping into this conversation here, I'd like to throw in my opinion.
I assume that A.C., who perhaps unfortunately has been moderated up to "3, Funny" by now, was probably poking fun at issues with customer support. They may know English well enough, but a heavy accent and not knowing the nuances that native English speakers know, kind of creates a language barrier. That's one reason to keep customer service in the home country in question. (The other reason being not wanting to take advantage of a poorer country relative to the strength of the US dollar.) Thankfully, online chat can solve the accent problem at least.
On another note, I so wish we Americans could start learning a foreign language starting in elementary school. I'm talking about third grand and on. Something like 30 minutes every other day. (90 hours each year from 3rd grade through 8th grade and high school with it's two year standard. 450 hours in grades 3 through 8 plus 300 hours in high school in my idea.) Get children to learn it while their brains are developing. Not everyone needs to learn the same foreign language either. If some learn Spanish, some learn Japanese, some learn French, etc., then in any group of people, perhaps there'd be one person in the group who could translate for the rest, or give a reasonable idea what is being said in a person-to-person or group-to-group contact. While it's awesome that other countries learn English as a default second language, we English speakers should be learning a variety of foreign languages (including ASL) I forementioned above.
It's true. They just neglected to point out that so do vegetarians.... or is India a violence free, caste-free , woman loving egalitarian paradise of people-not-exploiting-people these days?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/03/world/asia/gujarat-riot-trials-may-alter-indias-cycle-of-violence.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
OK then.
I am having great laughs at this comment on the internets you guy. Thanks you greatly for the humors and insightful!
Thank you, come again!
If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can't be taken on its own merits
Just teach them that correlation doesn't imply causation.
People like these always think they're inherently reasonable and everyone else are inherently wrong. There is no reasoning with them. The only thing you can do is beat them. Prove your point to the voters, people with your type of mind need to take over school boards.
Anything less just won't cut it.
Just shut the fuck up and pass me Beef Vindaloo, Butter Chicken, Lamb Korma. Vegetarian? I guess I'll have some plant with that. Basmati rice please. And don't forget the fucking coke. It's not Indian without a Coke okay? *BELCH*
The governmeant has the power to be taking action. But they are being washing hands of it. Oh no this is very bad! Very very bad!
you mean 'all your Bouillabaisse are belong to us'.
I think that's what you meant.
What you say? Someone set us up the Beef Vindaloo?
All your butter chicken are belong to us.
Lamb Korma! Hahahahaha!
... obligatory Nazism reference ...
Do you know that Hitler was a vegetarian?
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Agreed speaking a second language isn't the easiest thing to do, most people will make some errors.
However here is a page i found recently.
http://plc-course.com/Sample-PLC-projects/plc-ladder-logic-simulator.html
Take a look at the comments, and tell me there is no basis for the grand parents stereotype.
it's not the grammar, so much as the tone and the arrogance of the comments.
The page provides a fairly basic tool to construct ladder logic the people commentating seem to think they can now get the page author to provide solutions to their individual problems.
Almost like you putting up a sign saying "here is a hammer you can take away and use". Random passers then approach you and say "build me a free house now", (because your time and knowledge is obviously worth nothing as you give tools away for free) and expecting that you will do it.
As an aside, I'm still looking for a graphical tool for putting together ladder logic on Linux or Android. Android has a few tools for programming and monitoring an actual PLC. I'm just looking for a tool to draw circuits instead of using a pencil and paper. A method for testing the design would be a welcome bonus. I would be surprised if no one has written such a tool already.
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Thats exactly what not so few christians would claim about atheists.
Its funny how these crimes are (according to public opinion) always commited by people from the religious minority.
When I visited Barcelona, I found that some folks would respond to my Spanish with Catalan, or even English. Nobody appeared offended, however. (People there were generally pretty nice, I thought.)
In any case, signs in Catalan are dead easy to decode if you read Spanish, and if you speak Spanish reasonably well, you should also be able to get the gist of spoken Catalan. (And no, I am not claiming Catalan is merely a dialect or anything like that. I've had similar experiences with the local languages in Portugal and Italy.)
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
The big difference is the environment you grew up in, and the environment you use that second language. Take England and India in this instance, one is a first world country, very technologized, very rich at a per capita level, where citizens are considered important. Then India, which only a few have access to technology, and the wealth is held by a few percentages. These are differences that show up in a conversation very easily.
Basically, it doesn't matter how many words you know, how good your grammar is, only your comprehension, and THAT is affected by the environment you grew up in and your native language.
So, when people find an accent funny, it probably is.
This one must be American. He can't properly spell.
While Englishmen can't properly speak.
> They easily cheat, tell lies, forget promises, they are dishonest and tell bad words, steal, fight and turn to violence and commit sex crimes.
That's true.
But it's also true for vegetarians. It's called 'being human'.
I'm Scottish and worked in Austin TX for a couple of years. We had people there thought we were Austrian. Something to do with the fast monotonous way us Scots speak. BTW I loved the boy in "Brave" with the Doric speech...then again I could understand what he was saying (well most of it)
Technically ... that statement is correct. The book just fails to mention that those characteristics are common among ALL humans, including vegetarians. Even the sex crimes bit ... because what is a crime varies by culture.
I'm surprised nobody's pointed out yet that the comment "...'[meat eaters] easily cheat, tell lies, forget promises, they are dishonest and tell bad words, steal, fight and turn to violence and commit sex crimes,'..is in fact, true.
Meat eaters do all those things. Sadly, they do them rather readily.
Of course so do vegetarians, but that doesn't change the accuracy of the basic point.
One could also say that "meat eaters are more likely to do these things" accurately. Take a random sample of the population, and poll which cheat, tell lies, etc. By FAR most of them will be people that have eaten meat. Of course, this has everything to do with the fact that the huge majority of the sample aren't vegetarians, but again, the basic statement reviewed factually is true.
(In case anyone missed it, the *implication* of the statement - that meat eaters do this more readily than vegetarians - I'd guess is probably absurd. Then again, even though I'm a cheerful, unrepentant meat eater myself, I'd posit that it might be true; in nature carnivores are naturally more aggressive, (generally) selfish, opportunistic creatures. Herbivores seem to be more docile, group oriented, and passive. Who's to say that diet doesn't have an impact on this? All the vegetarians I know are relatively pale, docile people. Even the few that are militant vegans tend to be more passive-aggressive and whiny than in-your-face. The people I know that like to go to Fogo de Chao are mostly aggressive, brash type-A's. So without some data, it's all just anecdotes. This text book seems to be propagandistic, of course, but I think it's something that would be interesting to really study.)
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He's apparently never googled "Orissa riots".
Just one example of many. Racism takes many forms, and the racist can't hold it in.
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How about riots in Gujarat, done by meat eaters? There are business communities in India. I suppose they are famous that they dont cheat Ha. This is just propaganda
from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_caste to promote https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_politics_in_India
Casteism
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/india-is-fourth-most-dangerous-place-in-the-world-for-women-poll/1/141639.html
Casteism
Indian men are underdeveloped
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Are they implicating vegans are incapable of lying and having sex? That I'd agree.
And that's where we outsource western jobs to, seriously.
This is a story from the BBC concerning children.
I don't think, given the current situation, that the BBC are the best judges of what children need, do you?
Operation Guillotine is in effect.
Is how man grew his brain to become what we are today. If they want to go backwards, why bother to stop them from wanting to de-evolve?
Future generations of eat eating mankind will be able to use their land as the leaf eaters die out on their own.
( sure you can over do it with meat as everything must be consumed in proper amounts, but saying meat is 'bad' as they are is just ludicrous )
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So do non-meat-eaters. Here's the logical proof:
* All (capable of lying) humans lie at one time or another.
* Most humans commit sex crimes (although there are doubtless exceptions, but bear in mind sex crime is defined by law, not nature).
* Humans who eat/do not eat meat therefore are certain to lie, and likely to commit sex crimes.
* Many humans eat meat or do not eat meat, enough so that the statistical probability that there are no meat-eating or vegetarian humans who commit sex crimes is effectively zero (zero to enough digits that you'd get tired of counting them before encountering the first non-zero digit).
Therefore, it is a logical certainty that all meat eating humans capable of lying lie, and a statistical certainty that at least some of them commit sex crimes. The same is true for non-meat eating humans.
So what's all the fuss about? Why shouldn't a textbook make true statements?
Oh, you mean the implication that non-meat eating humans do not? That's why assume makes an ass outa u and me. If it doesn't clearly state it, don't assume it to be true.
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The irony is that text book is explicit proof that vegetarians do exactly the things they accuse the meat eaters of doing. This is like the kettle calling the pot black.
Okay the people behind this book clearly have no idea what they are doing and will be the first up against the wall when the revolution comes. That being said I have a militant veggie friend who I would love to give this book to for Christmas. Anyone have a pdf :)
Protein deficiency in rural India being almost as bad as in the poorest regions of Africa (kwashiorkor, etc), this textbook is highly irresponsible. It should be doing the opposite, in terms of education. The meat-haters in the general population, just make the whole industry suffer and cause problems in availability of meat and protein to people who need it the most.
So what your saying is Norway with just under 5,000,000 people has just under 90% of its population proficient in English (so just under 4.5 million while India with its 1.2 billion people has over 10% proficiency or a population of English speakers over 24 times the total population of Norway.
Numbers can be manipulated to make a lot of meaningless points. For example a random Norwegian may be more likely to be proficient in English, but an English speaker is more likely to be Indian.
The grandparent post refers to Indians as "among" the most fluent - which depending upon your point of view could mean a lot since the link you provided states India has the second largest population of English speakers. While it may not attest to the "average" Indian, I think sheer numbers would qualify the Indian people as being representative among the most fluent.
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Yeah, and I even overheard them talking, they said you guys are a bunch of jerks!
Hilarious indeed.
Once at work my colleague asked "Shall I wear my athletic shoes?"
It was a grammatically correct question, but with the accent it was somewhat strange.
...exactly like Texas, where we require textbook publishers to present as fact all kinds of religious nonsense and revisionist bullshit. Nice to see that other parts of the world are headed back to The Dark Ages too. I don't feel so alone now..
Oh man, where to begin with a post like this...
First of all, it has been my experience that, as ESL speakers, Indians are among the most fluent in the world. It seems to me that they take great care to learn and use English well, unlike the stumbling parody you provided. No doubt a consequence of British colonialism, but perhaps a happy one.
Second, it is my opinion that the English language is very much enriched by hearing it spoken in so many fascinating accents. Let's face it: every one of us has an accent that sounds "funny" to more than one other culture in the world. We can giggle now and then about how weird we sound to each other, but let's keep it at a good-natured level.
Third, learning a second language is difficult. Those who speak something other than English as a second language are all-too-well aware of the challenge. Just imagine how you would sound trying to order a meal in a foreign land. Probably much worse than the example you gave. And yet you just might find that the server is pleased at your effort.
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I moved from English Canada to a bilingual but mainly French Quebec Province in 1985 (at age 45). I could have continued in English, but chose to integrate myself into the majority community. The first few things I did were:
a) Block all English Newspapers, Radio, Television in the house.
b) Take two basic French courses.
c) Select easy to read French textbooks and story books and read them
d) Even reprogram the car radio to only tune to French stations (sports, news, music).
e) Buy a set of French grammar books (Bescherelle verb conjugation book and a pocket dictionary)
I kept this up for two years, when one morning, while driving the car and listening to the radio, the French announcer cracked a joke, and I started to laugh. Suddenly I exclaimed "I arrived, I am bilingual". The next day, English was again welcome in the house.
Surprisingly, my English vocabulary was significantly increased because of foreign words and French idioms. My English writing became more precise, my tolerance for all other languages increased substantially, as did my caring for other people.
I am currently fluent in English, French and am getting there with Spanish. Now I read and write all three, as do my kids. My grandchildren studied in French Immersion in public school (French only until grade 4), and are now (grade 5) studying in English with French continuing as a second language. Gym and sports and lunch hours are a mixture of both languages, and the grandkids know the differences. And compared to me at their age, they have richer vocabularies and very good analytical skills. They switch from English to French without stumbling.
We admire the number of doctorates and highly intelligent people from India and European countries. They are no more intelligent than Americans, but because of multilingualism, they are better at thinking out of the box. And where a very few Americans are the Archie Bunkers of the USA, India has it's own.
This is my success story with languages. Disassociate from intolerant people.
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Vegeterain Indians are prominent liars.
Or indirect, depending on how you salt.
OK, I know that meat is bad for the planet and bad for the body, but why does it feel good to eat it ? There must be a logical fact that keeps the meat tasty for the people. The gut and the brain know better. They might even send cravings to the consciousness that asks for nutrients that are in the meat. As same as the cravings for the sweet stuff.
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I only eat vegans. Much leaner than the average American.
It safe to assume that its just another flamebait BBC report not to be taken seriously. While the publisher (S Chand) is certainly of some repute in this country, it isn't known if this textbook has actually been adopted by any school.A textbook cannot be formally adopted by any school unless it gets approved by government institutions in charge of secondary education like NCERT or CBSE. This furore might have made sense if this textbook was being actually taught to kids; which isn't the case here.
It sounds like they based their text on sound scientific publications... (that have since been shown to be fraudulent) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diederik_Stapel#Meat_eaters_more_selfish_than_vegetarians
Let's put the genes back in Genesis.
I visited Catalunia for a week. I had no problems in Barcelona. Outside Barcelona I met two or three people who expressed some degree of distaste at being addressed in Spanish, the aforementioned waiter being the most extreme. Those people preferred to speak English than Spanish even though they were obviously much better at the latter than the former.
So an anecdote, sure. I was counterpointing the 'foreigner's love it when you speak their language' cliché, not trying to do down Catalunia. It's an excellent place, you just have to tune in to local sensibilities like anywhere.
BTW I am British not Spanish.
Fair enough. I still do think you were extremely unlucky. You hit a nerve because Catalans are getting tons of hate from Spaniards lately, since we are getting very serious about seceding from Spain. If anyone is curious, here's a couple vids explaining what's going on from the perspective of an American.
Well many of the statements aren't false statements. "They [meat-eaters] easily cheat, tell lies, forget promises, they are dishonest and tell bad words, steal, fight and turn to violence and commit sex crimes" So all we get is some humans with some human qualities deemed "bad" also eat meat. (which one can argue is "bad" for many other reaons) They also have children, fart, pick their noses cry, breath oxygen, eventually die, have 2 legs, etc. The statement isn't attributing these characteristics to the act of eating meat. More an example of shoddy writing and use of generalizations and implications. An example of low quality of texts books, and them problems at arise when people have poor reader comprehension and don't know the correct definitions/uses of words and sentence structure, and therefore may misinterpret or be misled.. I could just as easily say the right-handed people form tough-nit social groups, don't wash their hands as often as they should, and have regrets about past actions.
I don't see the problem here. Yes, meat eaters do all those things. The problem is only that vegans and vegetarians do those things too. As a vegan, i can attest to cheating, lying, and breaking promises easily from time to time.
And among least fluent as well...
I would assume that, based on this, you've never been here for any significant period of time, if at all.
Some speak English very well (if they were educated at an English-medium school or went to school abroad, like my SO, for example), most... do not.
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We admire the number of doctorates and highly intelligent people from India and European countries. They are no more intelligent than Americans, but because of multilingualism, they are better at thinking out of the box.
While I agree for the most part about multilingualism and whatnot (I speak a couple other than English myself) but as far as [Indians specifically] being better at thinking out of the box, I very much have to disagree based on my 4 years (so far) here.
There is very much a mob mentality, and education focuses more on passing the exams with flying colours than gaining actual knowledge and learning how to work stuff out (that is to say, memorizing the answers, getting 98% and having your picture put on a posterboard on the street to show that your parents spent an extra 6,000 rupees on your education this semester and thus the family is doing well).
As it translates to real life, though, I sometimes find it very difficult to find employees who are technically competent enough to meet my personal standards - even after relaxing my standards and I have this trouble both with recent graduates and with "seasoned professionals".
Worse still, if you try and hire graduates from certain schools (xIIT) they have a god complex whereby they feel entitled to certain things (the job, a higher salary etc) without actually being able to demonstrate the basic skills I require. I'll happily pay more if I get what I want but from those guys... they're usually unmanageable anyway so my usual phrase is "get out of my office".
It's nearly at the point where I prefer to take people on who are enthusiastic and train them on the job so that they do things up to the standards I expect.
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So what your saying
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I think sheer numbers would qualify the Indian people as being representative among the most fluent.
"you're"
Numbers can be manipulated to make a lot of meaningless points.
Indeed, numbers can be manipulated, so that when they give rise to blatant nonsense in support of a self-contradictory assertion, no reasonable person would regard them as credible.
In any case, thanks for such a concise demonstration of both. According to your own claim, the Indian population has a 10% proficiency in English. If you want to infer that this makes them among the most fluent then you have an unusual concept of fluency. Will you apply this same concept when choosing a surgeon? First find the largest medical school in the world, then choose at random among the bottom 10% of the graduating class.
Oh, and don't forget to tell us how that works out for you.
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you seem to have ability of the written english well.
you thinking however spells d o p e. or not brahman.
http://tarpley.net/world-crisis-radio/ Coup/counter coup. Call me a troll all you want. The future of you idiots is on the line. Get your heads out of your asses and wake the fuck up.
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It looks like the author of the textbook belongs to the religious sect "Seventh Day Adventist" and was trying to push their views through the textbook.
http://www.schandgroup.com/PressRelease.asp
As written the statement that 'Meat-eaters easily cheat, lie, forget promises and commit sex crimes' is quite true. The implication that people who don't eat meat behave differently is false.
This is the nutcase Hindu fundamentalist equivalent of 'intelligent design' that they use to poison their children's minds to create the next generation of nutcase fundamentalists. People deride Islam but Hinduism is far more toxic, with its caste system keeping otherwise socially productive people down, their inability to handle cows, monkeys, or rats in any sensible way because they think they are gods, and the rampant poverty caused by their broken social structures.
you mean 'all your Bouillabaisse are belong to us'.
All your Bolognese are belong to us.
No, all I was trying to say is that you will find many Indians who are fluent in English and that the numbers as a percentage are irrelevant. The fact that there is an enormous population of Indians proficient in English makes this group relevant.
As for your example of the medical school, my statement would be more akin to picking from the top 10% of the school - not the bottom. The only other way I could take it is that you're implying English proficiency somehow implies this group is less capable. With that said, I would be willing to take a surgeon from a large school that has demonstrated proficiency at surgery even if it is known that there is a large cohort of people at the school without demonstrated proficiency - so long as a marker was set for determining a physicians capabilities. I would also be willing to take a surgeon from a smaller school that has a higher percentage of proficient surgeons so long as that individual was in the top 90% of that class.
Even with this example, you would be stating that you are far more likely to come across a proficient surgeon from the large school than you are to come across one from the smaller school.
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Thank you for pointing out a flaw in my argument.
What I should have said was that your claim was akin to choosing at random from the original class population. What are the chances that you will pick a competent surgeon from among them, knowing that only 10% will graduate?
It's still not the case that this population is somehow more competent for being larger. But this seems to be exactly what you're claiming, that from a large school you'll pick any graduate, but from a smaller school only provided it had higher graduating standards.
Don't you see that, no matter how you slice it, the size of the graduating population doesn't matter? It could be a huge class or a tiny one, you're still going to be picking at random. This is the basis of statistical sampling.
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Vegitarian's don't commit violent crime be cause there all such skinny little wimp's?
http://www.schandgroup.com/PressRelease.asp
Blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda............
The content & views expressed in that book are solely the views of the author, David S. Poddar, Former Teacher, Principal and Education Director, Seventh-day Adventist, Hosur, Tamil Nadu. As mentioned earlier, we are discontinuing this title with immediate effect and the content therein would also be put up with the author. We categorically express that there was no intention whatsoever to hurt the sentiments of any individual or group.
Sorry, its definitely not what I was trying to state - just that absolute numbers matter as much as relative numbers matter - in there own way.
When choosing a surgeon - without the ability to get individual statistics - it would make more sense to go with the one graduating a higher proportion of highly skilled individuals; however, it is possible to get an individuals track record for many types of outcomes because they are part of a public record. In that case, it is easy to identify the 10% minority and may in fact be easier to get one of the surgeons from that school.
In the same sense, it is more likely that you will encounter well written papers by an Indian author IF you read all papers. With this example, I would read English Norwegian papers if I had limited time because they would be higher yield in terms of quality. If I were reading all papers, I would see many high quality papers coming out of India - in part by shear volume. Essentially stating that the good in India is being drowned out by a sea of mediocrity.
On a global scale, the majority of people from India are invisible as an internal colony of the wealthy. The implication of this is that the minority of Indians with a strong education and the ability to perform become representative of the nation and in this manner begin to matter. Its the same reason that China with its emerging middle class matters on a global scale. The much larger poverty stricken group in both countries allow for an exploitable underclass by the rich and middle class.
Being middle class in India means you can afford a staff of people to serve you much as slaves did In the US years ago or immigrants more recently. Its just that in the West, this population has remained low with the exception of nations that had extensive colonies (they just didn't count the large groups of exploited people as citizens). The fact that there are 9 uneducated people for every uneducated one doesn't make the 1/10 educated persons irrelevant.
With this, I think your analogy to a school would become a large university where only 10% are medical students to a medical college where 90% are medical students and perhaps 10% a health related occupation other than physician. From this, it becomes very easy to identify who you would go to for a surgery.
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You've obviously never had to filter through the resumes from a technical job posting. If I had a nickel for every time I've seen the word career spelled "carrier" I'd be rich. Now, I can kind of understand that error, as "carrier" is a real word, but a large number of them apparently can't even use a spell checker to catch the obvious typos. Actually not surprising given the technical know-how (or lack thereof) of many I've had the pleasure to work with. Anyone hiring would be well off to simply trash any resume with an Indian-sounding name.
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