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Police Raid Home of 9-Year-Old Pirate Bay User, Seize "Winnie the Pooh" Laptop
zacharye writes "Copyright enforcement might be getting out of hand in Scandinavia. As anti-piracy groups and copyright owners continue to work with authorities to curtail piracy in the region, police this week raided the home of a 9-year-old suspect and confiscated her "Winnie the Pooh" laptop. TorrentFreak reports that the girl's home was raided after local anti-piracy group CIAPC determined copyrighted files had been downloaded illegally at her residence. Her father, the Internet service account holder, was contacted by CIAPC, which demanded that he pay a 600 euro fine and sign a non-disclosure agreement to settle the matter. When the man did not comply, authorities raided his home and collected evidence, including his 9-year-old daughter's notebook computer."
A pretty sensationalist summary of what can only be charitably described as an article, which itself is long on innuendo but short on actual, you know, "facts".
All that can really be said is that they raided the guys house and among other things took the childâ(TM)s laptop. There is no evidence in this story that the child was the primary suspect or even a suspect at all.
The most that can really be said is the 600 euro fine (and the non-disclosure agreement) is absurd for what the alleged crime is.
If you want news from today, you have to come back tomorrow.
FUCK YOU.
Shoes for Industry. Shoes for the Dead.
Its a home invasion, not a raid.. Stop sugar coating police activity.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
I live in Norway, in this certainly hasn't hit the news here.. and if it did, you can be damn sure there would be hell to pay for somebody. Our authorities are so fucking nice that even after Breivik blew up our government headquarters and shot around 80 kids.. one by one.. we still hadn't scrambled the military or even gotten choppers in the air. I honestly suspect if our police (who don't have guns) tried to take a 9 year old girls laptop they would comply when she kicked them and told them go away :)
"" How about taking the safety labels off everything, and let the stupidity-problem solve itself? """
This is the suspect part. Why would they want the father to sign a non-disclosure agreement? How is fining the man a deterrent to others if they never hear about it?
These are rhetorical questions of course, as its obvious why.
Since when are they going after people for downloading? Uploaders are usually the ones who get hit.
A significant proportion of all homes raided contain young children and in the case of cyber crimes the kids computer would likely get confiscated as well.
Regardless on how you feel about piracy, criminals do not get a free pass simply because they have children.
Troll is not a replacement for I disagree.
This morning my girlfriend told me about her friend whose daughter's laptop was seized after they demanded a 600 euro fine.
Also, Finland is not Scandinavia.
The "article" mostly quotes from Torrent Freak. Here's the longer source:
http://torrentfreak.com/police-raid-9-year-old-pirate-bay-girl-confiscate-winnie-the-pooh-laptop-121122/
It's not theft if the original owner still has it.
Never say never. Ah!! I did it again!
I suspect this is the article TFA refers to:
http://torrentfreak.com/police-raid-9-year-old-pirate-bay-girl-confiscate-winnie-the-pooh-laptop-121122/
If I threaten to reveal a crime you did, and demand money in exchange, that's extortion.
Which is exactly the problem with these 'dual' laws. The police become the arm of an extortion racket, where the reason for paying up is the threat of a police raid.
What CIAPC did WAS EXTORTION, because they could not offer him immunity from a copyright infringement claim or criminal claim against him. Their claim to pay up 600 euros or they go to the police is therefore cleancut extortion. The NDA is confirmation that they know its extortion.
Don't lie. This is Slashdot. It was your mom who told you her friend's daughter's laptop was seized.
They are purple people eaters !! And they will eat bears for breakfast !! And if you streal you must pay the fine, and keep quiet about it !! OR ELSE !!
Touch me and that hand will never touch anything again.
I bet the kid was running a honey pot. What else was a Pooh to do?
nice to see police actually doing something useful.
She has stolen the valuable property that belongs to others. Destroy her. Make an example out of her, to frighten other criminal children away from sharing ILLEGAL music. Consume her soul. We must protect the financial rights of immaterial property owners at all cost. Throw her in jail. Let her rot. If she dies it will serve as a warning to others. Support your industry rights organizations today. Buy now.
And if you have seen Winnie's pooh you know that it is not a pretty sight. Not a prety sight. My condolences to the Raiders. You do not get paid enough. May you tromp down many a door in your futures. God Bless, and Hail Mary.
There's no reason to call him a liar. For all we know, he might be having an inappropriate relationship with his mother.
I think you owe him an apology.
Whew... Good thing they would never find the NAS drive or Sheva Plug that were actually responsible for the download. (No.)
Reminder to everyone... Create a guest network with 40 bit WEP and have a NAS device with an onboard Bit Torrent client do all your dirty work.
Might as well start using strategies of real criminals if this is the response. Might get you chance at unreasonable search and seizure.
Maybe not in Finnish, but in English it is.
If you find yourself taking a Winnie the Pooh laptop from a 9 year old, you've probably gone over a line or two somewhere.
Go after the cabin boy (or girl in this case).
its not hard and on a vic 20 in the early 80s was by 13 doing animations and graphical games...
what would be so hard to use google that prolly all your friends at school teach you and the school to use and then show you how to install the app.
you think a 9 year old is a retard, no sir it is you that are.
First, it should be noted that this happened in Finland (Scandinavia is pretty vague).
Second, I am begging for the Anonymous to target their efforts on TTVK, the body behind this also.
So, who in their right mind is actually PAYING FOR an operating system?
Oh, never mind. The insane usually have little idea that they are out of touch with reality.
"Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
WINNIE THE POOH laptop it's not a real laptop, it's a toy http://edukid.ro/jucarii/images/5750/2782.jpg
Think what the reputation of Scandinavia was in the Dark Ages and the Middle Ages, and you will get the point (note- before anybody accuses me of trolling, in real life I have a surname of Scandinavian origin. I just don't buy into the myth that Scandinavia is some pareadise of uncorrupt liberalism.)
From scarped cliff or quarried stone she cries "A thousand types are gone, I care for nothing, no not one."
Considering that downloading copyrighted material is completely legal in Finland. It's the sharing that's illegal..
(Translation mine:)
Dear CIAPC: No, we won't join your organization. Fuck off.
https://twitter.com/MoonTVfi/status/271589215245049858 :-D
bother.
Because the file wasn't the one copyrighted. If it had been, it would have played.
Finland is not even in scandinavia. but fennoscandia. Again, AFAIK, the story is that the daughter wanted to buy a record from an artist called Chisu, but since they cost a lot, she wanted to try first. Father said "google it and check it on the internet". Somehow the girl ended up torrenting it (plausible, torrent is apparently 4th result on google search) and got a copy which did not work. One year later they get a letter to pay 600 euro in _damages_ not a fine and an NDA, or it will go to police. When they refused, the police made a normal search. Which is very interesting legally , since this is a very borderline case. Search should only be possible for a "Tekijänoikeusrikos"(copyright crime) ,not "tekijänoikeusrikkomus"(copyright misdemeanor). The difference between these two is either profiting from the copyright violation OR causing "severe damage" to the right holder. Since they asked for 600 euro , I dont know if the damage is "severe". Also they seized the laptop although (AFAIK,IANAL) law apparently says that they should only seize the whole laptop if there is a pressing reason for it, they could just have seized or copied the data. IMO there cannot be a pressing reason if the case was filed 1 year after the fact.
also if you need information on this case, I suggest you try contacting EFFI ry in finland. (finnish EFF)
It takes real balls to go up against such a dangerous criminal and intimidate her.
And don't forget, when someone steals your computer, and you call the cops and say "My computer has been stolen, and I know where it is due to locating software on it.", the cops say they can't do anything about it. (I've seen that come up a few times now.)
But when you infringe copyright (not steal, like they like to say) on a song, the cops break down your door.
6) Kukilainen from TTVK makes a note saying, "we only track IPs and we will take this to court"
You mean Kotilainen?
Is there a way, or have people analyzed the possible honey-trap files allegedly used? Steganographend information would be hard to find but I'd be interested to know what is the current practical situation on the topic?
What kind of products there are on the market?
Which companies TTVK/CIAPC use as their contractors to do this?
So, who in their right mind is actually PAYING FOR an operating system?
Those forced to by an insane world.
I can't buy a decent laptop without handing some of my money to Microsoft.
"We have to find a way to make sure everyone knows we are seriously against piracy. What could we do?"
"We could rape a child, that shit's serious."
Big Media, winning hearts and minds.
The holy grail of the middleman is to set himself up to be the gate keeper of an essential good or service.
Since monopolizing access to air, water, food or sex did not pan out, they went after the next thing -- culture.
And, I must admit, with great success. With the eager participation of most (if not all) "free" national governments, partaking in your own culture is no longer free, and the full force of the state is applied against those who would dare to oppose this "arrangement".
Have no doubt, there is a lot of wealth and power involved and, given their corrupting influence, things will only get worse in time.
Nothing short of a violent and bloody revolution can reverse this trend.
You can get one from one of the Linux laptop shops...for way more money, for some reason...
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
There is nothing remarkable about this news story, even the affected artist reaching out to the accused, expressing regret that the anti-piracy mechanisms have evolved into quasi-legal mantis shrimp prowling peer to peer networks to smash their blunt appendages against any IP address that they discover, even encourage piracy by seeding and delivering a greater percentage of the offending material than is permitted under fair use as part of the sting. And the mantis shrimp strike is so powerful it produces cavitation bubbles, how cute is that.
Time to explore the Pooh connection. Pooh has been a wholly licensed asset of Walt Disney Corporation since 1961. Everyone knows that the Hundred Acre Wood is a clumsy euphemism for Bohemian Grove. Tigger's Compulsive and Ceaseless Bouncing used as a clever device to indoctrinate generations of children to passively accept the idea of Bernanke & Geithner's "Quantitative Easing: Forever!" Honey being gold, Pooh being the stooge who ever seeks it even as it is held in short supply by fiat-pumping speculators. Piglet who is very small and cannot help to point this out, representing the many countries whose small size has been used as pretext to front enormous per-capita debt grown to ridiculous proportions by arrogant and disruptive IMF lending practices. Piglet's hide is bought and paid for and he knows it.
And The Established Practice Of Capitalizing Every Word In A Sentence can be Directly Traced To Christopher Robin. Whats Up With That. Always Busy, He Is. Doing What, I Wonder.
The truth is out there people. Go get it and bring it back in time for dinner.
<blink>down the rabbit hole</blink>
The "article" (I hesitate to call it that) does not even describe the country that the alleged raid took place in, let alone the city. "Scandinavia" is not a country, but a loosely-defined region of countries, primarily Norway, Sweden, and Denmark, and depending on your definition, Finland and Iceland. I think the whole thing is made up.
Slashdot is really going downhill. The motto needs to be changed to "Rumors for Nerds; Stuff" period.
Proverbs 21:19
No, it isn't.You're confusing Scandinavia and the "Nordic countries".
Are you a grammar Nazi? I'm trying to improve my English; please correct my errors!
Getting a laptop with Linux or no OS costs more money because of shovelware and economy of scale.
It was reported earlier the same story where he was contacted, and he responded with a letter, with a picture of the winnie the pooh laptop in question. That has made the rounds of the internet sites, including slashdot.
I read this as the farther did not comply with the blackmail, the media thugs then went and contacted poliece after reciving the letter, who then raided the home and took the laptop.
This seems to be in line with how crazy the media assoications are. The letter was sent in regards as to how ridiclous the claim was, pointing out that the file in question was downloaded by a 9 year old on her winnie the pooh laptop, and that persuing legal action against that is silly.
They only thing they have gotten themselves here is a PR nighmare should the news actually ever make it to mainstream media and not just fringe news sites on the internet. Seriously what were they thinking, they couldn't make themselves look worse particulary with all the crazy litigation they have done in the past. Hopefully this gives them another black eye in front of larger public who will hopfully start to take notice and start to care about this kind of behavior.
At some point the courts or the government of those courts should be going after these media assoications for abuse of both the legal system and police services. Think of all the time and money wasted on frivolous lawsuits and police resource time for these idiots. Tying up the court time, and police time for this garbage.
They are basically using the courts and poliece as their hired thugs to extort money from people.
Though I am sure if big media ever does have to pay, they will simply tack that loss onto their piracy "statistics" as to how much money is lost due to piracy. They fact that they have gotten away with the behavior for this long is crazy.
Look him up, made one album in the sixties. It sold about six copies in the states. He never made it and went on with his life. A few years ago some peopel in SOuth Africa decided to look for him, there were rumors he was dead from suicide back in the 60's. It seems Rodriguez was huge in South Africa, some even claim bigger than the Beatles. For the hippies over here it would have been like owning a copy of Dylan's Blonde on Blonde, a masterpiece and something most people who were into the scene in NorthAmerica and Europe owned.
It woudl seemhe soild a lot fo albums in South Africa but he had no idea he had sold any. Soeone was profitting from seeling his music and that was the company. And since in the sixties it would have been much harder for him to know about his sucess over there. They were able to pocket all the profits and he went on with hsi life workign odd jobs.
They took advantage of this man and stole his money and work, these are the people we are supposed to be feeling sorry for? These are the people we are supposed to be helping?
The sooner we get rid of these middle men the better our culture will be
So a letter from a NGO inviting an out-of-court (civil settlement) is ignored, resulting in police action?
This, where I live, is known as blackmail.
For example, say a person stole an item from the shop and is stopped by shop security.
The law is quite clear that the security has a reasonable right of detention pending the arrival of the police.
However, they are unable to detain pending payment of some "fine".
And they are certainly unable to bargain for "damages" on pain of police involvement.
Also, where I live, there has to be a court order in order to go into a person's abode and said court order is only given where there is a reasonable suspicion that something is amiss. A printout on a computer screen or a phone call form the local MPAA is rarely enough.
I thought Finland allied with Nazi Germany because of the Winter War (USSR invasion of Finland in 1939) making the USSR a common enemy.
I listen to both RIAA and non-RIAA stuff if I like the music, tangential business/politics nonwithstanding.
That's interesting, but quite wrong.
Finland as a country is less than a hundred years old, having been a part of both Sweden and Russia before that. It is said that Russia actually gave Finland its independence as Finns didn't really show any signs of getting with the program; Finland was given autonomy first, and in the aftermath of the communist revolution in Russia Finland gained its independence. Naturally Finland has had to exercise extreme caution to stay independent, living next to the Soviet Union, but it's too much to claim that Finns had many Nazi sympathizers, at least more than any other country in the region. Strategically, the country had to choose between Russia and Nazi Germany, and they already knew what it'd be like living under Russian rule. And in retrospect, Finland did remain independent after WW2, something that can not be said of, say, Estonia or some other Baltic countries. And Finland is definitely liberal, and has been that earlier than most European countries - see the Wikipedia article for, say, women's right to vote.
Also the GP is partly wrong about search warrants. Warrants in Finland are given only in cases, where the maximum sentence exceeds 6 months in prison. However, considering that Finland has adopted some of Europe's tightest copyright laws (using questionable methods like having one of the figureheads of Finnish copyright industry as the sole person preparing the law proposal without any input by civil liberties groups or others), copyright violation probably falls into that category.
Go study the political climate that made Gandhi's non-vilence [sic] possible and effective, and why it would not work today.
Violence to force political action is even less useful today than it was in Gandhi's time. We'd all be labeled as terrorists, the government would spray us with pepperspray and rubber bullets. And raid our homes and taser our families. And we have no weapons to fight back with, what use are some 50 year old pre-ban assault rifles against black helicopters, civilian police force with tanks and armed drones.
Of course I assume that violence is the opposite of non-violence. Do you offer a third way?
It's like the authorities know of everything you're doing on your laptop or something.
It's called a "protection racket" "We'll charge you with a crime, but we will take a bribe to back off" Is there NOBODY that can stop this disgraceful behavior?
What they did snooping traffic is a clear violation of privacy, what someone does in their own house is their business. If this "scandinavia" has any self-respect, lawyers should step up to the plate, sue them hard, prevent this from happening to anyone else. Harrassing a 9 year old girl, stealing personal property(laptops etc), anyone else find this wrong?
Did they shoot her teddy bear?
I bet they did. Testosterone freeks LIKE to shoot teddy bears.
Here we have a 9 year old savvy enough to own her own house and suppoert her father and she's still pirating. Shame.
Actually, you can buy a laptop from some dealers like Xotic without an OS. And the prices are generally cheaper for better hardware... Asus, Sager, and Alienware.
I don't work for them. I'm just happy with my unmarked, ubermachine Sager.