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New submitter thereitis writes "Looking over my home computing setup, I see equipment ranging from 20 years old to several months old. What sorts of old and new equipment have you seen coexisting, and in what type of environment?" I regularly use keyboards from the mid 1980s, sometimes with stacked adapters to go from ATX to PS/2, and PS/2 to USB, and I'm sure that's not too unusual.
Here's all the components I can think of using in the 80's, and what their function or lack thereof would be today:
3.5" floppy - still used for some driver diskettes
5.25" floppy ?? have not used one of these since 1995
Keyboards - usable with adapters
Mouse - same as above
LPT Printers - DB-25 still shows up on many new motherboards
Serial DB9 - I can still make these by hand! Definitely useful for many console RS232 equipment ports
IDE Hard Drives - useable if you really had to, but why?
IDE CDROM - same as above
10Base-t Ethernet - 10 MB back in the day, but still compatible (although they might be only half-duplex)
Cat3 Cable - good for phones, digital or analog, or 10base-t
Cat5 Cable - Good for home PC or connecting internet-facing equipment
Modems (v21/v22) - Doomsday is sure to come, always have a tinfoil hat, and dialup number at the ready
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I have a power deck that I got in a garage sale that might be from the 80s but everything else is from the last five years.
but college girls' equipment stays the same age.
It's AT to PS/2.. ATX standard used PS/2... Just needed to state that..
I have a few old devices I keep by my modern equipment for perspective. You know, a sundial, a vcr, and an iphone 4.
I can get a new keyboard at Big Lots for $8, so no need to keep them for decades. I do use older top-of-the-line enterprise equipment, though. Raid cards that were $750 new can be found for $35, old IP KVMs that were $1200 new are actually BETTER than current models because don't require proprietary software. The other day I used a serial cable to transfer files from an Win98 laptop that didn't have USB mass storage drivers.
I'm glad I'm not the only person doing that.
Actually the keyboard's not that great. And being so old I hate to thing about what crap is in it. I do it partly out of stubbornness and pride: it's the first PC keyboard I owned (from 1996). Then I can be smug at youngsters on forums telling them I'm typing on a keyboard older than they are.
I'd like to think I'm trying to be funny, but it's actually true.
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Well my 26 year old IBM Model M keyboards I use everyday beg to differ.
Today's telephone networks are a random mix of old and new technology. The modern phone backbone is fiberoptic digital, but when wired to your house, it's made to emulate good old Bell. You can plug in an 80 year old phone rotary phone, and when someone calls you, it'll ring, and you can answer it! You can have one of these ancient devices right next to your DSL modem on opposite ends of that filter the phone/internet company gives you. In some area, pulse dialing will still work! And touch-tone phones is also an old technology. When you call on your cellphone, the numbers you dial don't get sent as tones. But in a call, when you call up one of those annoying phone robots, your cell phone will send tones, emulating the old signaling technology of the 70's or 80's or whenever the tones were invented. Plus, add in VOIP and the IP phones I use at work, and it becomes apparent that the modern telephone network is a continuum of technological anachronisms.
Well my 26 year old IBM Model M keyboards I use everyday beg to differ.
Plus it can quickly be converted into a rather effective cudgel, all the better for bludgeoning AC's with no appreciation of history.
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Speakers are the only thing in my computer setup that would be considered old. Then my Sun Type-6 keyboard is next oldest. Everything has been modernized.
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I have an Apple II+ that I program on at least once a week. It's a fun exercise to see what I can get the old machine to do. I don't have any disk drives, so I use the cassette interface. But I don't have a cassette deck either, so I use my brand new laptop as the storage by plugging the Apple into its audio ports. So I have 33 year old tech not just co-existing, but working in tandem with, brand new equipment.
Actually, I don't even know if it still works, but it there it sits...
Oh. Books. Lots and lots of books.
Oh, those were sweet. I still have mine. Original box, too. Although, I can't say, "Mint in Box"
Working, an old C64 (original, still working with modifications made circa 1988) with Amiga monitor, 2 1541 hooked up. (similar setup on my TV)
There's a 160 Mhz 486 (5x86 all ISA & VLB, no PCI) with an Ensoniq Soundscape Elite soundcard running under DOS 6.22/Win 3.11 .
Right next to it a 800Mhz PIII with 98SE. Powermac G4 400Mhz with OS9 / Leopard. (those are using a CRT)
There's a 2Ghz G5 iMac hooked up to my home theater (iTunes), my Media Center (XP MCE) and the *newest* machine, a Core2 duo (Win 7 x64 about to go back to x86).
What's saddening is the older stuff works as it is, but I had to recap the iMac, the Media Center, my AV receiver (2003) needed a new relay and caps on the Core2 are starting to bulge (that one is probably 2006)
I've got better things to do tonight than die.
I've had a lot of old hardware running alongside newer stuff, hobby, nothing serious, but I always tried to get rid of relics. It's not their age, performance, looks or anything like that; the power usage was simply too high, reducing the power costs actually made it easier to buy more new hardware.
And call me sentimental, but I stil have an 486, a p266 and other things, all perfectly functional, in the back of the closet, things I have a hard time parting with.
I have the worlds only 80386DX connected to the internet. I have an IBM Model 80 with an Ethernet card and a 9Gb Full height SCSI hard drive running OS/2 Warp 4 Fixpack 5 and Mozilla Firefox version 3. It works for most sites that don't require Flash.
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This is a fairly old keyboard with a PS/2 plug in it. It still has a big fan-base.
Of course, some of us love the old Model M keyboard. I do, and I have four of them in reasonably heavy use.
I also have a computer with an Intel motherboard that uses RIMM memory. That's being a web server, so I can't nuke it yet; but when the next power supply fails (I have two that I've been swapping and repairing -- the RIMM motherboards used a funky 6-pin connector where the modern ATX uses the PCI-4 or PCI-8 connector) it will be time to start looking for a replacement. The machine I used until just recently for my home development, though, is even older -- a Pentium IV 1.6GHz without even hyperthreading.
I do have a Windows 98 machine with a SCSI card that I'm putting back on line so that I can play Riven from the deck of five CDs... SCSI lets me have four external CD drives.
And there's no point putting a perfectly good 100Base-T switch on the raw output from my "broadband" connection, as it peaks at 2.5Mbps; while I had to retire the 80's era 10BaseT hub that I used for that when its fans failed, I am using a 90's era 8-port 10BaseT hub for that now.
Any where there is an industry that needs to be computerised, but isn't one where massive gains in computing power would improve the bottome line: any kind of insurance, Retail POS systems, Accounting systems, ect. In some places you'll have web front end connected to a back end java system that queues and proxies the request back to the mainframe which runs a virtualized instance of an older mainframe that sends a file to a different older mainframe system that generates a print out in a back office where some guy takes it and manually faxes it to a different branch for processing.
Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
And don't fool yourself into thinking 20 fucking year old shit is "working" cuz it ain't working !!
Neither are you, outside of fast food.
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I've been meaning to google around for HDMI adapters for my Wii and Atari 2600...
I only have one non laptop now. I just tossed my last USB attached floppy drive. Used to have a parallel port tape drive, tossed that too. Tossed a Com1 Serial port Acom digitizer tablet. I haven't used a CDROM or DVDROM in years, read or write. I haven't owned a modem in years. Only my desktop has LPT or COM ports. I tossed every extra PS/2 mouse and keyboard and have a single spare USB keyboard. The desktop uses my sole remaining PS/2 keyboard and the Logi marble mouse is connected by a USB-PS/2 dongle. I tossed out my last 2 SCSI2 adapters one of which was used for an ancient but entirely functional HP ScanJet II. I still have 3 or 4 PCI 802.11g adapters laying around. My single desktop is the only device that's still ethernet wired to the router. Everything else including my MF printer is wireless. The desktop is an old eMachines minitower with a replacement Mbit Mobo, AMD CPU and new RAM and a brand new power supply. The monitor is an ancient 19" SUN LCD flatscreen (back in the day when SUN flatscreens were 2" thick and still weighed several pounds). The router is an old Cisco Linksys WRT110 connected to a Vonage VIOP box behind a brand new shitty Time Warner Ubee cable modem. The Atlanta Scientific - Cisco DVR from Time Warner is also a piece of shit as is the Netflix app on my Wii. All the other machines in the house are a mixture of Toshiba, Lenovo and Asus laptops, Android and iPhones.
Save the musical gear, most of this stuff lives in my workshop:
An Apple II (gonna play Oregon Trail, gotta do it right!)
I've got a serial mouse that I bust out occasionally, though not often...
mid-1990's laptop, kept alive for the serial port and working 3.5" floppy drive.
I've also got a couple decade-and-a-half-old P2 and P3 machines running firewalls, NMS, DHCP, etc.
Several old flatbed scanners I haven't taken apart (yet)
STACKS of non-working floppy drives, CD-ROM drives, other old electromechanicals (good for parts),
Yes, I even have a functioning 21" CRT from about 1992, I think.
Of course, as a musician, I tend to keep a lot of vintage audio gear around, but since I do most of my actual recording on my '08 Macbook4.1, I think it's fair to add that stuff to the list:
A 1960's vintage DAK Mark III CB with my radio stuff, that's pretty vintage...
1990's turntable, 1970's Marshall Valvestate 8080, 1930's microphone (2 of them, actually, 1 of which is mic-ing a 1920's piano)...
My personal favorite: A 1973 TEAC 3300 reel-to-reel tape recorder, complete with about 20 tapes of some crazy firebrand preacher's radio show from 30 years ago (my buddies in metal bands are constantly asking for clips they can incorporate into their own tracks).
Ah, nostalgia...
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Mmmmmarmelade, crumbs, pubic hair, nails, goo
Stable technology (and the desk! :-) ) - Using the hand tools my dad gave me, some of them were his grandfather's (e.g. the chisels), to build the desk I work on with my laptop. Can't see me passing down any of my electronic equipment to grandkids for them to use day-to-day. Nice to be using tools that have worked for generations.
I'm not seeing any downsides here.
I'm sure lots of folks are like me: stuck using an old piece of equipment because "mainstream" went a different way.
Good example: 3 button mouse
No, not a damn wheel for a third "button", rather a good old Logitech Mouse Man. Wide, with three buttons. I'm stuck on this mouse for the simple middle button, as I use the thing all the time; opening links in new tabs, cutting and pasting text in linux xterms, etc. I can't stand the wheel as clicking with it typically moves the target, gah! Any new mice right now like this old thing? Nope.
Repeat for various schools of devices: keyboards, monitors, etc etc.
Anything is possible given time and money.
I have a MS sidewinder forcefeedback joystick. Best joystick I've ever used, but it requires a gameport. I wish someone would make a USB-Gameport adapter that would work, but sadly I have to use a Soundblaster Live card on my new PC. I also prefer using a quality ball mouse for FPS games.
-- By all means let's be open-minded, but not so open-minded that our brains drop out.
Mine is of the very oldest vintage too. The local recycle place put out a BOX of them a few years ago. I snapped up the whole box for like $10. Still got 3 of these beasties and they're the best peripheral ever made if you ask me. Takes a bit of a stack of adapters to get to USB with the thing, but I got there...
And for you who haven't experienced the Zen of it all the lack of the 'windows' key and such crud is a blessing ;) I can do 120 WPM with this baby.
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My parents got a color TV in 1976. They kept that thing for 29 years. It worked with one of the early Pong games. It worked with an Atari 2600. It worked with an Atari 800. Later it was connected to cable TV (with remote control that was connected by wire to a box on top of the TV). It worked with VCRs and DVD players. Near the end of its life it was using satellite TV. That old thing went through a lot. Halfway through its life the channel changers on it were largely forgotten. That was a good television.
:P
When I bought my first VCR I bought the same brand assuming that they made good stuff. I had to replace it within a couple months and ended up buying a Japanese brand
I often don't like the choices people make, but I like the fact that people make choices. That's why I'm a conservative.
A project of mine (https://github.com/dandroid88/webmote) attempts to serve as a bridge for some less connected, older technologies to be controlled by newer things like my smartphone. For instance, my home entertainment system, a hodge podge of new and old responds to IR (each with their own remote). My project allows one to control any of these devices from any device with internet connectivity and a browser so that I can turn off Glee (my fiance's fav) from the bathroom, lol. Its a plugin architecture that also supports some X10 so that I can turn lights on and off etc. On the newer end, it supports newer things like XBMC control and a few other soon to be uploaded additions. If you are looking to bridge the new and the old and have a rasbpi or server you can run it on I welcome you to try it out. It requires some simple arduino construction but that shouldn't be too difficult.
Does anyone miss the old optical Mouse from Microsoft (MS Wheel Mouse Optical 1.0)
The Successor has a flimsy cable and is a few centimeters Smaller.
(Does anyone hate the Mini-Laptop-Mice-Generation?)
I have a ton of old computers that still run. C64's, C128, Atari 1040ST, TRS-80 4p, Amiga's, Mac's.
One of them currently has a CF board for it (Apple II's).
Rest of them are getting some sort of modern interface improvement. Also, I use a MacSE to network the Apple IIgs. Only thing the MacSE does, connects 2 networks together.
Now the Amiga's aren't that hard to get networked (remember PARnet?) or modern storage adaptors. Oh, one of the Amiga's in an Amiga 1000.
While Commodore computers have had the parallel port adaptors for years, there is a lot of other great hardware improvements for them. I can't afford them unfortunately, but as luck would have it, i have a ton of disks that are still good. Holds me till i get around to building my own.
I have 3 working Commodore monitors and a Sony EGA monitor. You can have one of my Commodore monitors after you kill me, because I won't give one up otherwise. I'm sure I don't have to explain why.
On top of the computers, I have working video game consoles that are 20+ years old and working. Think I have an alarm clock that is probably that old also.
Too bad the video game consoles of pre-HD looks horrible on my 1080p TV, but that's why I have so many Commodore monitors.
Only thing that is over 20 years old that gets used regularly is one of the Commodore monitors. I have my Wii hooked up to it for emulators. Did have my PS2 hooked up, but it burnt another harddrive out so I'm going to have to get a new network/harddrive adaptor for it. My Dreamcast would be hooked up to it, but i can't seem to find the video cord for it. But anyways, my Commodore 1902 monitor is currently getting used 3-5 times a week, for a few hours at a time. All my other stuff is just whenever i feel like doing something.
Be seeing you...
I dumped all my old crap years ago
a lot of the old games are on iOS/Android these days. cheaper to buy them than pay the electricity costs for the old crap
do some of you people get hard ons from watching cryptic text on a screen in your off time?
Running happily with Fedora 17 Libre Office and Gnome 3 fallback on a 30GB Thinkpad from 1998 just needed the extra RAM to complete the install and even have Podcasts and VLC and best of all reduced my power consumption from over $300/mon to under $100.
I think you mean AT. ATX is a type of motherboard form factor, AT is a type of keyboard connector.
When the zombie apocalypse comes, a Model M will be second only to a shotgun as a means of self-defense.
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I don't really keep anything that old. I built the current desktop I'm using about 4 years ago or so. Aside from some of the CAT cables, I don't think I really have any hardware sitting around that's older than that.
I always keep every piece of old technology. It's not hoarding per se, because I will throw it in the recycling or give it away when it either no longer functions, I have no use, or it helps me financially towards a new game. In fact, what I do as a hobby is Digital Archeology. That is the search through the junk, files, and resources to find old games of the past. This is how I found out about Atari, a ton of games I have never heard of, but want to play, and learned neat little tricks for games I have.
However, I don't keep my foot only in the past. if I had the money, I would get some of the newer toys like a HD TV and blu ray player. I have nothing against most of the new tech, but it seems that it's getting to the point where there's a machine to wipe your ass for you. I love technology, but I stop at where my DVR records for me. I don't need a 3D TV. I have no desire for a freezer/stove combination. I believe that it's better to have a mix of the old and the new because a reliance to the old makes you incompatible with today's society, yet relying on the new turns you into a blob of jelly like in the movie Wall-E.
I've got a pair of old Sun E450s.
They perform excellently, holding up the large countertop which I use as a secondary desk. Also add a nice 90s ambiance with their muted grey/blue/purple color scheme.
IDE Hard Drives - useable if you really had to, but why?
IDE CDROM - same as above
Why not? They still work and provide enough storage to be useful especially for backup purposes (backing up to the same spindle is less useful) The PATA -> SATA transition is still pretty recent. I upgraded motherboards recently and kept everything else except for the video card (AGP), memory, and cpu. The pair of SATA disks that were connected via a PCI adapter I connected directly. The IDE devices that were connected directly, I attached to PCI adapters. Especially the IDE DVD burner. Why replace that?
Going the other way, I recently picked up Tivo Series 2 with a lifetime subscription. I put in a SATA disk with a PATA adapter.
I've got a nextstation that still works. It's got 10baseT ethernet and I've had it on the network. I've found ssh binaries for it and even installed bash on it. It's grayscale, but it's still fun to poke around on lynx or world wide web on it just to see what things looked like in the old days. In many ways, it still acts like it's modern counterpart OS X.
I've also got two sun netra servers in the basement that work. I threw BSD on them and they're actually pretty decent for their age. Power draw is terrible though.. my electric bill is scary if its on all the time. I've also got some old dell socket 604 xeon 1u servers that work. They run well, but from a CPU perspective, I can replace 3-4 of those with one ivy bridge intel box and be done with it.
My wife's got an original iBook G3 300Mhz 32MB RAM with OpenBSD and a PowerMac G4 Dual 867 that works too. That's nice for old games.
I wish I still had my first computer. I had given it to my mother after I upgraded and it was lost in a flood a few years ago.
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Got my Raspberry Pi's a few days ago and discovered that every keyboard in my house has a PS/2 connector... Guess I need to quit buying good quality keyboards that just last and last.
When the zombie apocalypse comes, a Model M will be second only to a shotgun as a means of self-defense.
Second to a shotgun?? Haven't you learned anything from zombie flicks?
:)
Type M's don't run out of ammo
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A 1950's double oven, A 1970's microwave, a pinball table, 1980's - 90's computers and game consoles... All running on knob and tube electrical wires from the 1930's, yes they're safe and up to code for existing residences. I have an Osborne-1's parallel port hooked to a custom made IR board, and serial port connected to a GNU/Linux Media Center Edition box. I get a warm and fuzzy feeling when I press "movie mode" button on my Android phone (wireless / local web interface to "Remote" app on Debian Server), and instantly hear those familiar 5 1/4" disk access sounds loading new IR code tables to configure my home entertainment system.
Am I surprised they work together? Hardly, I designed and build their interfaces to do just that. Eventually the Osborne-1 will become unserviceable, and I'll switch over to using LIRC (and compiling my own Kernels, again) instead of my custom "record & playback IR" setup on CP/M. For now it chugs away on a nice table in the back of the room, near a few framed panels of core memory, as a nice and functional conversation piece.
root@magneto:~# dmesg | grep Floppy
[ 2.826323] Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 720k, fd1 is 360K PC
fd0 is to write out Atari ST disk images. fd1 is used to write out Atari 8-bit disk images.
Two years ago the average age of my electronics used to be ~15 years, now its about 3. My computer had a network card from the mid 80s (isa coax baby) as well as an 1980s 5 1/4 drive all powered by a relatively modern 1.1 ghz athlon. A weakling compared to my 2.5 ghz core 2 duo powered laptop, but it got the job done. My stereo receiver was 1975 kenwood, pushing speakers from 80s. My 10 year old 14 inch crt was all the screen my sega genesis and wii needed. I had my old coleco vision in a box ready for action at a moments notice. My car was a 1993 Chrysler. I had an alarm clock from 1981, a VCR that got nearly daily use.
Mind you I'm not old (27) nor a hipster, just a thrifty country boy with geeky interests.
But one by one my gadgets started to fail, first it was the old computer, then it was the stereo, Then the coleco, sega, and tv got killed by a faulty power strip. The car died 60 miles from home in the middle of nowhere. Now I am lost in a sea of modernity, I have no 1980s electronics, no old game systems, no old beater car, no flipy numbers on the clock, no vcr. Just new stuff...
I gotta tell you this forum makes me really want to go to pawn shop or thrift store. Maybe I'll just scope out some junk on ebay.
Ethernet over 9600 baud RS232 via a T1 TDM microwave channel. If you follow this entire path end-to-end you would traverse CWDM fiber and a DS3 SONET ring, all the way down to a hand-built addressable serial bridge. Also running 2400 baud serial over ethernet (yes the reverse) using a cell phone at the remote location as the modem.
stacked adapters to go from ATX to PS/2, and PS/2 to USB
Ditto. My PS/2 to USB adapter comes with connectors for the keyboard and mouse. The connector for the mouse dangles un-used. I prefer my laptop's trackpad to a map. The keyboard is a vintage Acer with a "fat" enter key and NO WINDOWS KEYS, which I never liked. I understand there are some shortcuts that might be nice with proprietary metakeys, but I never learned them, don't miss them, and get royally peeved when I hit them by accident.
As an added bonus, one of the keyboards has Asian characters along side Roman characters on the key caps. I like the way that looks. I bought a few of these from some guy in Oregon who had old keyboards. It's nice to keep this stuff going instead of just tossing it.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
It's kinda sad that so few people know how to use anything that's not x86 anymore. I've got several Suns (Ultra 5 and 10, IPX, Sparcstation 20), a DECstation, 2 VAXstations, and a MicroVAX 3800. And a couple of HP ZX2000s... then rackmounted I've got another Sun, another HP Itanium box and a number of x86 architecture boxen.
My model M outweighs the macbook air it is attached too by far.
I value lightness in a laptop, but if I am going to be at my desk I like a good keyboard.
I work in a PC, Telephone, and Printers refurbishing warehouse. We have everthing in inventory from 1980 forward and still even refurbish and ship some of this old equipment. It is amazing to see how really old equipment is still in use. Most of the time its related to having old applications or systems that work for the business and replacing the whole system for one pc is not cost effective.
At work I keep a couple of old Toshiba 8086-based laptops around for programming 1980s-era radio equipment. That's not really old co-existing with the new, though.
I do have some software I wrote to transfer samples on a modern PC to the strangely-formatted Ensoniq Mirage 3.5" floppy disks, which I guess counts. My favourite though is my PDP11/23 which has a blown serial port on the CPU card. So with the aid of the service manual for the CPU I tracked down the fault to a blown level shifter. I haven't got a new one yet, so it has a couple of CP2102 USB-to-TTL bridges hanging off a USB hub taped inside the chassis.
I bought a replacement Model M keyboard with USB from Unicomp. This is the original IBM keyboard, just newer. From their website: "The buckling spring “Model M” keyboard, invented by IBM in the 80’s; popularized by Lexmark in the early 90’s; and manufactured by Unicomp for the past 15 years is regaining its status as one of the best keyboards in the market."
Same original design. Very sturdy; you could probably cleave your way through the zombie apocalypse with this thing, and it would keep working. You can get them in either PS2 or USB. Mine's a USB version, and I love it.
The most exciting area is new homebrew hardware being made for old systems. Today you can buy modern mass storage devices for pretty much any vintage PC. The Apple II has the CFFA3000. The Commodore 64 has the 1541-Ultimate. The Atari 8-bit has the SIO2SD. The Tandy CoCo has the Super IDE. The original IBM PC has the XT-IDE controller. All of these devices are great fun to work with.
Give me Classic Slashdot or give me death!
They may not run out of ammo, but they only have 101 keys...
If you can't convince them, convict them.
Minus No Microsoft is a double negative that equates to " + Microsoft". So, you're running Microsoft products on a 14 year old laptop? How's that working out for you?
Not USB is a plus in my book. USB keyboards can have issues with ghosting, which PS/2 doesn't (at least on modern, "high-end" keyboards). Also, most (all?) modern motherboards still have at least one PS/2 port, which means you're freeing up a USB port for something that actually needs it. Unless, of course, your keyboard is from before 1987.
If you can't convince them, convict them.
I have my Commodore 64 hooked up to my 6 Terabyte Network Attached Storage. For real.
I'm cheating a little, using an IDE64 and Ubuntu box as an intermediate, but it works quite well.
I did it as a "because you can" type of project. But it actually makes sharing files between my various machines (including the C64) really easy.
I regularly use a portrait lens from 1985 with my 2010 model DSLR camera.
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Windows 7 64 running virtual WINXP to access Garmin iQue 3600 GPS/PDA via USB. I also have a Kodak XLS8600 dye sub printer running off a parallel port from Photoshop.
Sorry, but gray text on gray background is making my eyes bleed.
Look out. We've got a hipster over here.
... ergo all my old computer equipment has LONG since been tossed.
I've purged closets and garages full of ancient computer junk continuously since I've been married. Now I just have two work laptops, a work LCD at home, and two desktop computers of my own.
That is the correct number of keys, not sure why you are saying only.
I put bio-hazard symbols on all my keyboards, mice, tablets, smartphones, laptops and remotes.
I've considered putting one on my mailbox post.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
To make this discussion old and new, to match the topic.
The only old hardware I have left is my current key chain.
An old 30 pin SIMM. Made in USA 1991. All of the chips have since fallen off.
Most of the old stuff was abolished by my wife. :(
I've been using the same mousepad from Data 2000 in Ocala FL, since late 1992.
new digital audio to vintage audio gear is a marriage made in heaven. a simple wire from the back of any PC audio 1/8" > RCA line-in on an old 1970's solid-state block amp will sound better than (worse sounding) computer speakers you have to spend more on.
i use an old 1970's beomaster 2400 — a beautiful piece of audio technology as the primary system amp, and it still solidly drives a pair of pro speakers. kind of spoils you for when people use the current fashion of small IC chip-based generic amps which dont tend to carry the low-end the way the 1970's amps did with the 1/4" power-transistors bolted on to the heat-sinks — made to handle more bottom-end.
other good projects include hooking an iPod to an home-built FM transmitter, and tuning in the iPod with an old radio reciever (my parents had a 'Kuba Stereo Console' with the magic-eye tuning tube) — very cool when you can use that to tune in a newly programmed iPod-jukebox, and get the sound of all the compression and radio processing artifacts, playing out of a tube-driven speaker. once you've programmed with the modern methods, adapting them with line-level out makes it an easy project, and breathes new life into some good sounding amps.
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Sounds like you want what I get. Check eBay for the Raritan Dominion KX series. They have them with various numbers of ports. KX232 is the 32 port version, etc. It's browser based, a Java client, though the old Java doesn't work with SOME browsers.
I am typing this posting from a Virtual Windows 7 session on my quad core Macbook Pro. On the other monitor, I am playing a DOS strategy game in Boxer. Unless your old hardware is unique or collectible or otherwise museum worthy, just move on.
I'm typing on a "Early 2009" Mac Pro, with an ADB "Apple Keyboard" and Kensington TurboMouse trackball.. Obviously through an ADBUSB converter.
When this keyboard dies, I'll find another one (I had a stash of them at one point). A scroll wheel would be nice to have, but (1) I already have this trackball, and (2) current trackballs THAT I HAVE SEEN don't seem to have the giant trackball right in the middle (i.e. same layout). Yes, they are probably out there, but since the one I have works, I don't want to buy a new one. If a new one were almost exactly the same + scrollwheel for like $20, then yeah I'd buy it.
I plug my made in 2012 mp3 player into a tube radio from the 1940's and listen to old radio shows.
No, you don't.
Going from AT or PS/2 to USB with only an adapter is impossible. The PS/2 to USB adapters only work because modern keyboards know how to speak both protocols and can detect which kind of port they're plugged into. Old PS/2 only keyboards do not have USB controllers onboard and only work with a USB device (driver required) that provides the ps/2 port(s).
You cannot just plug an old AT or PS/2 keyboard into one of the purple PS/2 -> USB adapters and have it work, because it won't.
On the PC in the office... ... Older Mouse (~5 years) ... Older Printer (LaserJet 4+ circa who knows, late 90s I guess?) ... of course the support equipment (desk, light fixtures, electrical wiring, etc are older...) The oldest HW I have connected to it are some USB drives I put together around 2003, they are still spinning and storing data, though their contents are backed up. All connected to a circa 2012 laptop in various ways (the printer is actually connected via JetDirect card to a 1Gb switch, yet it only operates at 10Mb itself.
Old keyboard (1993)
In the living room:
VCR circa 2000 connected to newer TV, still gets regular use... once a month or so...
In the bedroom:
TV circa 1995 connected exclusively to Roku box (2006), it has basically become an NTSC composite monitor.
In the garage:
Hydraulic floor jack circa 1985 still lifts my modern cars... as so all the SAE/metric tools I have...
In the kitchen:
Payphone circa 1990 is connected to an ATA in my basement...
sweet lord — core memory and bringin the 70's.. TRS80 and CP/M.. ssh from phone triggering serial interfaces.. nice. :-D
The widest span I think I've seen is a 100+ year old spokeshave being used along with a few months old block plane.
...the tech museum of me:
Toshiba dual core laptop, bought new in March 2010;
Asus EeePC 1008HA, bought new in May 2010;
HP 19" widescreen, 18 months old;
custom built P4 2.6 workstation, 6 years old;
dual Athlon MP2400 in custom server case and 3TB stack of hard drives, components between 14 and 7 years old include floptical and Zip drives, HP Colorado tape streamer and a 52x CDROM;
Fujitsu Stylistic 3500, bought secondhand in 2004;
Dell Latitude C400, bought new in 2002, is an alternative "netbook" for when I absolutely need 1024x768 without having to squash the desktop;
Dell Latitude CP, bought new in 1997, is now a print server;
And a stack four feet high of old Dell PPX chasses that I'm working through currently and scrapping the ones that are lifeless (apparently they don't like to sit in a closet for five years...);
and now for the doozy old stuff:
10MB Winchester 5.25" hard drive, with controller card (still works!);
Sinclair ZX Spectrum + (1 of), +2 (2 of), +3 (1 of) (still all work);
BBC Model A (still works);
that's just off the top of my head, there's a truckload more...
Operation Guillotine is in effect.
These are all the rage nowadays. I'd get 20 just to be safe.
My laptop vs my used SuperMicro server sporting dual P4's and a couple TB SATA drives. The laptop from Wallyworld cost 30x as much as the server from Ebay (minus shipping).
But, I just pulled out my original Koss satellite speakers from my first 286 and hooked them up to my computer at work. Forgot I had them, but they still work after all these years.
I have a lens made for a 1930s Leica which, using an adapter they started making in the 50s (when the current bayonet mount was introduced), will work happily with any of their later rangefinder cameras, including the latest 2012 digital model (if I could afford it). As a bit of a long shot, I emailed the company a few years ago with a technical query about this lens, and got a prompt response with a request for the serial number so they could check their records! The standard flash/accessory shoe used today is also the same size as the one Leica was using as early as the 1920s, as is the 35mm cassette (so you can stick modern film in that antique Leica).
35mm itself (packaged differently) is basically a 19th century movie film standard, and we're also in the third century of several other common tech standards - the D cell battery goes back to 1898, the 1/4 inch audio jack is a 19th century phone switchboard plug, and the Edison screw lightbulb dates from the same era. Any others?
Always wondered who made that stereo in Christmas Vacation!
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
I'm still using a PCI network card I bought in 1997. I'm glad I opted to pay slightly more for the PCI card over the ISA version!
As I can't find it worth while to keep transferring my contacts, calendar and everything else between cell phones every time I upgrade, I opted to use the same compatible device that I've been using since 1997.. It's hard to beat a Palm Pilot when there was (and still is to a degree) such a HUGE community of developers. I even bought a licensed copy of DateBk6 about a year ago, those guys are still going strong.
Wrote a full article a while back about it here.
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
I use a power supply that uses vacuumtubes I belive the tubes act as diodes it looks awesome too.
isnt there any way of designing parallel or serial interface to a USB disk drive, or a USB memory stick?
(its been a long, long time since i've had my apple iie, so i dont even remember if it had what is considered a serial interface. But I do remember connecting a printer to it.)
oldhack: "Security is a waste of money until shit hits the fan. 5 minutes later, it becomes waste of money again. "
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I have a few spare 1391401's standing by, in case of emergency keyboard (or coffee cup) failure.
And I shall weep when the last one goes.
The 567 is used as a stand for my Rigol LCD scope, which isn't 14GHz but is a lot quieter...
I have a Commodore 64 setup with 1581 (3.5 floppy), a 1764 (512K RAM), a 1351 (mouse) and a bunch of 1541 and 1571 drives.
Then I have a bottom of the line Lenovo laptop which works great.
My desk is split in two, the computer side and the electronics side. The electronics side is full of 1960s vintage test and lab gear. I have a nice DC-50MHz current probe which is useful for probing around old wired electronics.
How old is old? I have a ten year old GPS frequency standard, which I rarely use since I have a bad view of the sky inside, I need to go outside. Apparently new ones have more sensitive antennas.
Mostly random stuff.
I currently have a NAKAMICHI RX-202 cassette deck connected to my pc to convert some family audio cassette recordings to mp3.
I have seen quite a few old-school 14.4 and 28.8 modems still in use at customers sites.
These are mainly used for the fax capability and are quite reliable over analog lines.
I still have my US Robotics HST V.Everything modem that was the crown of my home system when I was in High School.
Great memories. The BBS's were sooo much faster and easier than the 'internet' back then. File transfers over HTTP were dog slow compare to Z-Modem protocol.
I have had more troubles with new 4-port fax cards that with the old reliables. In any case, I still need to use my old-school AT commands to configure the fax-modems from time to time.
Faxing is a real dinosaur. I believe it goes back to the 1930's when the newspapers used it to transfer images.
We need, need, need some method of standard, secure file/image delivery. It really cannot be that hard.
Mail server 1: Hey are you who I think you are?
Mail Server 2: Here is my card.
Mail Server 1: OK, I want to send this package to you.
Mail Server 2: I am sending you a lockbox.
Mail Server 1: OK, I put my package in and sent it to you. I cannot open it though.
Mail Server 2: Got it. I opened it up and looked at it. Is it 10 inches long and black?
Mail Server 1: Thats it. I will tell my user the package was delivered.
Mail Server 2: Bye!
SMTP is another one of those things that is antiquated and needs update. But one of the problems with updating standards everyone uses is actually getting everyone to change. (see ip4)
oldhack: "Security is a waste of money until shit hits the fan. 5 minutes later, it becomes waste of money again. "
Floppy drive with usb connection. :-)
The floppy gets mounted as an external disk on the tablet.
New and old technology working in harmony
To this day I use a 20MB external SCSI hard drive as a monitor stand. Re-use, recycle folks.
I still have a pristine IBM PC300GL running PC DOS 7 that I use for one specific old Microprose game (1944 Across the Rhine).
For doomsday emergencies, I can boot OS/2 Warp and run a 14.4 Rockwell modem. I still have the original Prodigy software..
You never know, right?
Scruting the inscrutable for over 50 years.
I've had several collections of 'throwaway' computers, with my last 486 and P100 going to that big recycling heap in the sky a few years back.
Right now, I've got nothing super old, but I've been keeping an AMD K6-II alive through the ages. It was my first IBM-compatible machine (after a C= plus/4) and I still use it regularly as a development box (Debian Stable in console mode all around. vi, gcc, perl, ssh, ftp, lynx. What more do you need?).
It is fortunate to have 2(!) USB ports on an add-in interface, so I can still plug a MS Ergo 4000 keyboard and modern optical mouse. Most of the hardware is original and all works, but the three things I've had to replace periodically are the optical drives (several), cpu fan (twice) and memory (twice). Up until about 5 years ago, compatible parts were plentiful from old computers, but I haven't seen the right sized fan or any SDRAM for the picking in ages, and it's now getting harder and harder to find IDE anything, even used.
I still enjoy the hell out of my i5 (and other smatterings of computers lying about) but I'll be sad when I have to put the ol K6 down.
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My Ask Slashdot about wireless printing didnt' get put up but this did? This site is shit.
Ghosting is unrelated to USB, and I had worse problems with it with PS/2 keyboards more than anything else. Old AT style were more likely mechanical, and newer USB are more likely "anti-ghosting". It's keyboard cost/era issues. That they correlate with USB doesn't make the problem in any way related to USB.
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Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
Novel networking! Let the hackers try to get the data from my main server!
Recently I used a Raspberry Pi (2012) connected to the serial port of a Tandy 1000 RL (1987) to get files from a file server to the Tandy. The Pi connected to the server by NFS, and the file was transferred to the Tandy by ZModem, using the "sz" command. The only extra hardware needed was some wire, some ceramic caps, and a MAX3232 IC.
And after use as a cudgel, they can be put back to use as a functional keyboard :-D
All of the new costly equipment has to keep working with the old costly equipment.
There's a well-established project called CFFA that lets Apple II+, IIe, IIe enhanced, and IIgs computers use a CF card as if it were a floppy, though the current run is sold out... From what I've heard, it's definitely worth buying for someone that can afford the $150 and uses the system even periodically, since CFFA lets them back up all of their floppy disks before they fail.
Now mostly at Usenet:comp.misc & SoylentNews.org (it's made of people!)
I have a bunch of external US Robotics 28.8k modems that I have since put to good use on an old Debian machine (old old Pentium 1 Thinkpad with a broken display) acting as a scan server. People can email pdf's with the phone number in the subject to the machine and it will fax them out. It will also act as a repository for receiving faxes and drop the fax into an inbox.
Yes, I hate fax machines, and to this day I still don't understand why email cannot be sufficient, but until people think the same way as me, this works quite well and makes me chipper that my old shit is being recycled (and saving a ton of paper in the process!!)
Is a PowerPC G3 B&W, the boot drive is IDE because it won't boot off anything else.
I frequently use a 198X vintage cnc machine with black and white crt, 3½" 720kb floppy drives and a horrible Sinclair ZX 81 style membrane keyboard. Programmed on a laptop, thankfully. Then there's another cnc machine with a paper tape reader next to a modern 5-axis machining centre. The paper tape reader isn't used, however, as it also has an rs-232 port like most older cnc-machines. Nowadays usb ports and network connections are standard.
I have a nearly 30 year old Sinclair ZX Spectrum connected to my ethernet LAN (yes, really, there's an ethernet card for the Speccy - OK, so I had to design and make it, but you can buy them now :-)). It can run the old favorite games (and there's new ones still being developed for the machine) by loading them from a network file server. There's also a multiplayer capture the flag game for the machine, and a way of loading games and programs directly from World of Spectrum :-)
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... has a large network of phone switches and attached applications, of which the first ones were build in the late 1980ies, the newest application running on it is a call center application from 2009. The system has a central management console which allows seamless administration of subscriber lines across all 30 phone switches in the system.
A few years ago I decided that all I wanted from my old audio gear was my turntable that I got in 1993. So I found a nice pre-amp online (DJ-Pre II) and connected it to my computer. Now I can still listen to records, but taking up 1/4 the space. Also nice since places like Amazon have been stocking new and older titles for a couple of years now.
You don't have an ATX keyboard. ATX is a standard for motherboards. They're an XT keyboard, or an AT keyboard, but they're not an ATX keyboard.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Retro computing is a modest hobby of mine. I have here:
SGI O2, Octane and Indigo 10K which would qualify as MIPS-based room heaters.
Commodore 64 with datasette and 5.25" floppy drive.
Commodore Amiga 500, which actually is integrated in my more current setup. It's linked to the internet through a null-modem cable-contraption attached to the USB port of a fairly recent netbook. It's also got the internal floppy drive replaced by a 32GB SD card, which holds images of just about every Amiga floppy known to man and I'm working towards replacing the 1980's hard disk with a compactflash IDE card, which would emulate a decent hard drive. When done I'll have a fully decked-out Amiga 500 without any moving parts and all software ever made integrated within the case. Not to mention the recent addition of a proper VGA port to this machine, which was invented before VGA itself.
Apart from that, my HTPC is inside a case that's at least 12 years old now.
Last year, my employer spent half a million euros on a new X-ray source for protein crystallography. Imagine our surprise when we discovered that there was a 3.5" floppy drive in the middle of it, holding some critical piece of code that needed updating. The service engineer's laptop didn't have a floppy drive; fortunately, we have some ancient kit elsewhere that does... ...but man, it makes you feel old when you have to show your sysadmin how to format a floppy. Kids these days...
I have a number of old tech kicking around and I am about to inherit a few more gems.
Stuff I have:
-AT&T 3B1 and PC7300 (the 7300 boots, I have a video on YouTube and all of the pictures/video on Wikipedia are mine, the 3B1 had a bad HDD)
-Next Station (Played with it for a bit before I needed room and boxed it up)
-2x DEC Dumb terminals (used to have the both of them connected to my Linux box, served as a quasi triple head monitor setup.)
-Sun SPARCstation IPC (had it running OpenBSD and an AUI -> 10BaseT adapter)
-ADM 42 Terminal (doesn't work and never got around to fixing it yet)
-Misc 286/386/486 systems and main boards.
-Some SGI stuff I snagged off ebay for cheap, five origin 300 systems, an SGI 1000 1U PIII server, an Onyx2 and an Octane 2. All for less than $400. I have one of the Origin 300's working the Octane and the 1000 but admittedly I haven't played with them much at all.
About to acquire for free from work:
MITS Altair 8800b (mint condition in a box, still trying to see if they have the 8" floppy drive)
IBM System/23 Datamaster with printer, manuals and disks (fucking amazing collection).
Franklin Ace 1200 with software and monitor.
Wyse Serial terminal
The Franklin is a very special find as it was the first computer I ever used when I was a kid. My father bought it new and we used it for a year or so until he bought a Canon 8086 (cant figure out what model it was) which was taken to work and replaced with an AT&T PC6300. I dont know what he did with the Franklyn but I was stunned when I found one here at work. I still am looking for a PC6300. I have many fond memories using one, did most of my grade school home work on it using Q&A word processor.
Unfortunately I haven't played with much of my vintage toys for a while since I got my own place. Its all at my mothers house as of now. Within the next few years I plan on buying a house and setting up a vintage computer lab, who needs a dining/living rooms anyway.
I happily use a 1970's era mix desk connected to my 27 inch iMac for doing summing and as a recording source. Modern mixers have no character and doing it all digitally has a sterile sound to it. Why emulate when you have the real thing right? I use this combination daily. It does cost more to keep the old board in good condition but it has a sound that simply can't be matched.
i do a lot with music and i been playing around with rack based sound gear and i see a lot of old stuff like: the shure PSM 900 the antenna uses BNC connector, also have a Tube Pre Amp the tubes are from like what the 40's? (even to old for me to admit the full history) and things like TRS cables and XLR been around forever. don't even get me started on cisco they still have a console port that uses a rollover cable and a db- 9 (com port) on the other end... so you new network admin's better spring for that db-9 to usb adapter. even like x86,tcp/ip and ect. are still in use... net admins learn about the history in one class and use it the next.
That's not terribly unusual. My first job out of college we had shelves of old CRT displays. We still used a PBX. We still had PS2 mice and keyboards laying around and ridiculously old adapters, and trackball mice. I've never seen anything that isn't at least somewhat modern at any company since. I have with residential customers, and there's no reason to - it's absolutely ridiculous to be keeping your computer for 10 years. Yes it still works. If you don't do anything on it - simply browsing the web in 2012 compared to 2002 requires a much more powerful machine to maintain any level of comfort or functionality, due to changing web standards. You couldn't pay me to hang on to a ps2 mouse or an old LPT switch or CRT monitor or IDE drive or anything else that old, except an Apple II or something like that. An Apple II at least has nostalgic and nerd value.
Modern keyboards are 106 key, sir.
False. It's extremely rare to find a good modern keyboard that has PS/2. There's also no reason to free a USB port, any modern motherboard comes with more than enough, not to mention additional usb boards in the case.
Last one I bought was sort of fun. Got it used when I first started building systems. It was a 10baseT 4 port hub, so a card you plug in that you can then network 4 other computers to another right out of the back. Worked pretty well and had some pretty generic drivers so you could use it in somewhat modern systems at the time. Still have it kicking around. It was pretty slow. I think when I got it used that it was a normal 100, but on closer inspector (after I already bought it) saw it was the older tech.
Seen lots of external hubs, but very few PCI internal ones.
WTF does that mean?
A 10-year-old (I think) oscilloscope - which takes floppies for storage - and a 19" CRT at work. At home, probably my digital camera (7 years old and taking good (IMHO) pictures - disclaimer: I understand nothing about photography).
They're there in their room. You're on your own.
Thanks for explaining the joke.
The hard drive stack has several under 20GB drives. Smallest drive I have is 6.4Gb
Have an old Gateway Pentium computer with Windows 3.1 siting under the work bench. Has a Voodoo3 card in it, and uses my logitech Digital Extreme joystick. The F-16 game "Multi-Role-Fighter" takes full advantage of the voodoo card.
I don't have the computer anymore, but I still have the CPU from my old 486 SX25 computer. I've thought about turning it into a keychain or something.
He who laughs last is at 300 baud.
Apple Extended Keyboard II FTW via an ADB-USB converter. Unfortunately I recently found out that the cheap USB keyboard-mouse switch I bought won't work with the ADB-USB converter, so I'll have to find another KVM. Anyone have a tip? I had a nice Belkin KVM, but had to toss it after it fried two laptops.
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I still love analog recordings. I in fact prefer them to digital, so I've got a turntable setup that feeds into my desktop, making my music collection a combination of miniDisc, cassettes recorded on a Nak, FLAC and AC3 made from vinyl sources that were run through a tube preamp, and then the regular assortment of MP3/AC3 and FLAC you collect from across the Internet. I'm also a photographer, so I've got a collection of very old manual focus K-mount and F-mount lenses that I use on dSLRs today.
I also still have old game consoles plus DOS era video game diskettes, but most of the software has been virtualized by now, so maybe that doesn't count for much.
I can't say I'm one of those practical types that enjoys reusing old things for the sake of it. I have very few of the many computers I've owned for example. I'm just very much stuck on what I like.