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Specific Gut Bacteria May Account For Much Obesity
resistant writes "A limited study from China offers the tantalizing possibility that targeting specific gut bacteria in humans could significantly reduce the scope of an epidemic of obesity in Western countries: 'The endotoxin-producing Enterobacter decreased in relative abundance from 35% of the volunteer's gut bacteria to non-detectable, during which time the volunteer lost 51.4kg of 174.8kg initial weight and recovered from hyperglycemia and hypertension after 23 weeks on a diet of whole grains, traditional Chinese medicinal foods and prebiotics.' As usual, sensationalist reports have been exaggerating the import of this very early investigation, and one wonders about that 'diet of whole grains.' Still, there could be meat in the idea of addressing pathogenic bacteria for the control of excessive weight gain. After all, it wasn't too long ago that a brave scientist insisted in the face of widespread ridicule that peptic ulcers in humans usually are caused by bacterial infections, not by acidic foods."
Not Cowboy Neal's though.
He's just a fat flatulent slob.
It will be fascinating to see what happens when other teams try to replicate these results with larger, more statistically significant groups than just one individual. ^^;
A truly excellent pizza parlor is a delight unto the heavens. Treasure the sauce and the toppings!
...one wonders about that 'diet of whole grains.' Still, there could be meat in the idea...
My own studies suggest that the Crunchwrap Supreme is responsible for obesity.
Shows how much I know! We should put these gut bacteria in cars instead of hybrid engines. We would get power from nothing!
Scientists will soon discover that this gut bacteria is hugely successful at metabolizing fructose...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM
From the point of view of gut bacteria, we are just hosts serving their purposes as transportation and food suppliers. If they can get more food by releasing the right kind of chemical signals into our system, they will. This is a real life example of the way the fictional Goa'uld parasites treated their human hosts. But bacteria are not aliens, they are actually derived from the same ancient ancestors as us.
Now, a FAT CHINAWOMAN, that's all right !!
I don't onow about this study in particular, but they did find certain strains, not normally found in rats, which stimulated a nerve which lead to stress, which lead to overeating and abdominal fat.
Just getting rid of that particular bacteria (there are hundreds, not just one "bacteria") fixed it.
Gut fuana is the latest study area. There are many quasi-stable configurations, some better than others. Each island of stability could be seen in terms of chaos theory and strange attractors, or various local minima in the multidimensiional gradient descent space of the environment, if you will.
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You're not fat because of "genetics".
You're not fat because of bacteria in your gut.
You're not fat because of ANYTHING except long term consumption of more calories than you burn.
Burn more calories than you consume, and you'll lose weight. One of the ways to do this is via exercise, which raises your base metabolism. The other way is via portion control, good breakfasts, and consuming low glycemic index foods.
Please help metamoderate.
I've found that the "eating less" diet really had significant efficacy in weight reduction.
This is bull shit. You cannot escape the laws of thermodynamics.
If you eat more calories than you burn, you get fat.
If you burn more calories than you eat, you get skinny.
"Weird gut bacteria is the reason I'm fat" can join the list of other bullshit excuses: "thyroid conditions" or "leptin resistance" or "genetic predisposition".
No, you're fat because you eat too much and sit on your ass too much. "But I work out all the time!" No you don't. You're lazy when you work out, admit it. Those calorie counters on the machines lie to you, and you never really push yourself consistently. If you did, you wouldn't be fat.
Too bad doctors don't prescribe 30 miles of running per week. If you did that, you wouldn't be fat. End of story.
I was right, it has nottin' to do with with eating 10x a week at McHooterKings...
Search the article for "calories" and not a single mention. If you eat more than about 2000 calories, you're going to gain weight,less- you lose weight. I don't see any way the subjects in the experiment lost weight without lowering their normal calorie intake.
A bacterium which breaks down undigestible nutrients into digestible nutrients, and instead of thinking about how we can use this to improve the health of the 1 billion malnourished individuals in the world, we think about how to eliminate it just to help out the Common American Fatty?
The human body contains trillions of microorganisms — outnumbering human cells by 10 to 1. Because of their small size, however, microorganisms make up only about 1 to 3 percent of the body's mass (in a 200-pound adult, that’s 2 to 6 pounds of bacteria), but play a vital role in human health.
http://www.nih.gov/news/health/jun2012/nhgri-13.htm
We are quite litterly crawling with bacteria and other shit. Their very critical to our health.
Now what is scary is we have GMO companies that want to produce cows that produce milk with GMO bacteria for us to be their perfect little labratories...
Many things which travel through the gut don't cause a problem because the Cilia protect the digestive tract wall. When Cilia get damaged as with Crohn's Disease, then infection or inflamation can occur.
If the Enterobacter growth is enhanced by some items in the diet and suppressed by others that would not be surprising. If the Enterobacter or a product from that bacteria causes inflamation that causes the Pancreas to screw up the insulin production and regulation, that too would not be surprising.
It is only recently that investigation has begun to accelerate on what the effects of different bacteria in the gut are doing and why. Great article with potential for good results.
Exercise and eat healthy food. This is affordable and works wonders for physical as well as mental health.
This method has worked well, and will continue working well despite whatever relationships between gut bacteria and obesity future studies may find.
All you need to do is select an e.coli without too many other side effects.
Funny seeing the subject of gut bacteria in a /. forum.
Just last week I was reading an article on the Mercola.com site, link here:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/03/18/mcbride-and-barringer-interview.aspx
Gut bacteria has much more to do with overall health in general that most people think.
Weight loss being linked to having all the right bacteria in the gut is also a bonus
"Suppose you were an idiot...and suppose you were a member of Congress...but I repeat myself." Mark Twain
Another data point here in support of Lustig's results concerning fructose. Eliminating sugar started the process of shedding weight for me when nothing else was working, and the weight loss continues.
It's really hard to find processed food that hasn't had sugar added in one form or another, so I'm not surprised that there is an epidemic of obesity. The epidemic is created by the food industry's obsession with sugar (it's cheap).
The parent's suggestion that the intestinal flora might be contributing to the problem through fructose metabolism is certainly possible.
They aren't all slender because they don't eat - they eat like horses. But its a lot less red meat (as in a LOT less), almost no dairy, and tons of rice and veggies.
Do YOU feel hungry 20 minutes after a fucking huge meal?
Do YOU have any injuries that make excercise difficult?
Do YOU have any one of the conditions you so readily dismiss.
Laws of thermodynamics MY ARSE. Not everyone's body has the exact same efficiency. Your body is not a closed system, unless you're so ANAL you've never TAKEN a shit in your life.
You go fucking run 30 miles a day you fucktard, and see how long your body lasts. Care to do that at age 80 you miserable excuse for a human being. Fat hating disguised as science is revolting. GO AND FUCK YOURSELF.
Overeating junk and sedentary lifestyle account for the obesity epidemic. Beyond these two facts, there's nothing important, or even interesting, to be learned about the obesity epidemic.
I literally ate 10,000 calories a day and didn't gain an ounce. I drank a full 8 pack of 16 ounce pepsi bottles every day, ate a large bag of potato chips and a pound of cheese every day. This is on top of a large breakfast, lunch, afterschool dagwood sandwiches, huge supper with seconds at every meal. After dinner I would eat chips, more cheese, other snacks and popcorn loaded with butter. For breakfast I would eat a stack of 10 pancakes, a couple of boiled eggs, a 6 egg omlet, toast, sausage, bacon, a huge glass of milk, and with everything slathered with butter and bacon grease. Lunch was a box of chocolate donuts and a huge cocolate milk shake, dinner was steak, mashed potatoes, green beans. If I ate at a fast food restraunt it was 10 cheese burgers and a couple of large fries.
I was 5 foot 8 inches tall and I maintained less than 110 pound weight for most of high school.
And it wasn't because of my activity level either. I was a complete, couch potato when I was a teen ager. I just sat around reading, or playing video games on my computers.
Once I hit 30 years old I started gaining weight. No matter how little I ate I kept gaining weight. No matter how much I increased my activity level I kept gaining weight. Now I keep my food intake down to less than 1200 calories a day and try to walk everyday.
Glad to know that there might be a treatment to help me out soon.
There's no shortage of studies that show you're wrong. Exercise is healthy for many reasons, but burning off calories is not one of them, that's urban legend.
Here's a simple fact that even non-scientists should be able to understand. To "burn off" the calories from a single regular beefburger would require you to run energetically for at least 10 miles. Do you think that makes burning off calories through exercise a normal and reasonable part of weight control?
No it's not, and that's why normal people who are not in training for the marathon manage to keep their weight down anyway. We have a built-in negative feedback system that ensures that we don't absorb what we don't need.
Unfortunately in some people that process is broken, and we're trying to find out why. To blame their lack of marathon-level exercise is ridiculous. Do you realize that we have an epidemic of obese SIX MONTH OLDS? Are you expecting them to run 10 miles a day too?
Seriously, you need to stop repeating urban legend.
First giving the patient a dose of antibotics and then once most of the bacteria are dead then give them a fecal transplant that contain a better mixture of gut flora?
Did you know 80 to 90% of the moderators on slashdot wouldn't recognize a troll even if one dragged them under a bridge.
There is a growing movement blaming autoimmune arthritis diseases, such as rheumatoid arthritis and ankylosing spondylitis, on gut flora. http://www.mayoclinic.org/news2012-rst/6933.html
You know, that doesn't work for everyone. It sounds great when it works for YOU, but it's entirely possible to eat reasonably, exercise a lot, and *still* not lose weight. I exercise five days a week, two hours a day, and I'm not talking light exercise. I don't eat sweets, I don't drink, I control my carbs, I make sure I don't drown in meat proteins... I *love* veggies and eat them every day, both salads and side dishes, and I *still* have trouble controlling my weight. Yeah, I'm strong and have stamina and flexibility -- all important targets for my undertakings -- but the fat wants to hang around regardless. I have *never* been "cut." Kinda sleek looking like a seal back in my teenage days, pretty big through the chest and shoulders, but even then I carried extra weight (i'm talking fat) on my thighs and ass. And I was active as hell. Caving, swimming, martial arts, biking, dragging musical equipment from gig to gig, rope climbing, pushing lawn mowers... I hardly ever sat still.
Today I have students that are so cut, so defined, so obviously on the extreme low end of the body fat range it would make you cry... and if that didn't do it, watching them wolf down $15 worth of McDonald's poison surely would. I can't eat that crap at *all* or my weight takes right off. Not that I really want to, but still, the message is clear: What makes me fat doesn't make you fat, and so forth.
Everyone's experience is not the same. Metabolism, infection, allergies, immune system fuckarows and Darwin knows what else...
"Exercise and eat healthy food" is not a universal prescription for "control body fat." It's just a good start for baseline health.
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if someone identifies one (or more) independent factors that drive fat retention. I've suspected it for years.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
Magically, this wee bug only came into existence about 30 years ago when the new food pyramid came in and told everyone to eat carbs, eh?
So here's a correlation confound. Your gut bacteria is a big function of the kind of diet you have. This is advertised heavliy by the yogurt people: live-culture yogurts to help get you "regular", yucko. So people who eat more yogurt will have more acidophilus and lactobacilli. Those who eat meat (and particularly poorly cooked meat) will tend to have bacteria associated with those meats. Beef-eaters may have more e. coli (Jack-in-the-Box infected burgers, anyone), chicken-eaters may have more salmonella than others, and pork could mean many bacteria and even trichinosis (worms) or brain-monsters.
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So since your meat-eating habits may influence your bacteria, cutting down on meat will simultaneously improve your dietary intake and change your gut bacteria. This creates the confound. Is it the bacteria that created the bad health, or was the bacteria another symptom of the bad health that came along with the unhealthy diet?
I'm infected!
This study is not an isolated case regarding the issue of bacterium-mediated weight gain.
There have been several studies which clearly indicate that there appears to be a case for "(at least some) people have excess weight due to 'which bacteria inhabit their gut' " or something approximating that.
Yes folks, I said DUE TO, ie caused by the bacteria not the other way around (in at least one case, administering a certain bacteria caused not just scientifically significant but visibly large weight gain on the exact same diet, at least in rats).
As yet there's no conclusive proof (ie several repeated tests independently verified) with hard science numbers (not to mention something of an explanation why/how this works) and, and no magic cure for fatness, but science is nowhere near laughing this off as 'mere crackpottery'.
There's VERY OBVIOUSLY something going on here with certain bacteria and (at least) some overweight people, and scientists (all over the world, not "just someone I've never heard of in China") are turning up results from a variety of research projects (all with slightly different angles) all pointing in the direction of "this is starting to smell just like That Stomach Ulcer Thing".
Visit CryptoGnome in his home.
I hope a bacteria can explain a social ineptitude and self-diagnosed asperger's.
I think there is alot of merrit to this. Some claim AS is largely due to a "leaky" gut, and can say ive always had lower intestine "issues". Especially when I was 16 and first started getting pains in my hips and neck. Alot of the times when I get an outbreak of aches an pains is usually when my lower intestine issues flare up as well. Then rapid weight loss afterwards. Ive lost 10 in one month before (and I eat well, steaks, potatoes, vegies, with an occasional whataburger or bk whopper). I've tried different diets, but none really seemed to point to anything I could determine from a diet perspective (wheat, cave man, veganisim), but im pretty sure its due to the micro fauna in my gut its always a warning before a flare up.
If the mice became obese after being inoculated with several kilograms of this bacteria, then this "news" is no real surprise. Bacteria, though small, can weigh as much as anything else in a large aggregation. *Anything*.
A page about nutrition and what science has to say about it. All videos have links to the original research so that you can check that the good Dr isn't making shit up.
There are a few videos about endotoxins and their effect. Feel free to have a look.
http://nutritionfacts.org/index.php?s=endotoxins
The guys solution is probably not what most people have in mind.
So far I haven't seen anyone well researched refute the guy.
This was the video lecture that got me interested in what he had to say: http://nutritionfacts.org/video/uprooting-the-leading-causes-of-death/
You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. -- Harlan Ellison
Has anyone looked at GMO consumption and obesity? Just compare citizens of USA and people in UE (where GMO is rather forbidden).
I had kind of given up looking at this stuff the last few years and accepted things the way they are, but this looks to follow alot of the alternative AS healing methods. Will read and watch. : )
50 mg, once a week. 4 shots in a box: $1400! If I had no insurance I would be completely cluster fucked. Enbrel is a COX2 inhibitor, it blocks a specific gene in the immune system that is linked to intestinal and arthritic conditions (chrons, RA, AS, and a few others). HLA118 If I remember correctly. I seriously think its directly related to my gut issues, what I cant determine is if its controllable via diet, or if its more like ulcers or a mcirobial "bloom" of some sort.
...and more fruits and beans, and a limited amount of nuts, seeds, and whole grains. Eat a lot less of everything else. See Dr. Joel Fuhrman's book "Eat to Live" for the details. Or for a slightly different approach, see the book "What Color is Your Diet" by David Heber, MD, PhD, founding director of the UCLA Center for Human Nutrition, and dietitian Susan Bowerman, MS, RD. Or the book "The Pleasure Trap" by Doug Lisle and ALan Goldhamer. A great graph here:
http://www.drfuhrman.com/library/article16.aspx
This is not to disagree that people vary, including in bacteria and their gut. But the basics are that leafy green vegetable have the least calories per amount of volume in the stomach, followed by fruits and beans. Fill up on those, and there is just not room for high calorie foods.
A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
See my comment here about feeling full by eating a lot more leafy greens: http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335159&cid=42372385
Dr. Joel Fuhrman recommends making salad dressings from ground up nuts or adding things like avocados to get healthy fats into there. I agree good fats help in feelign full too. Joel Fuhrman talsk about the body's "appestat" that controls when we stop eating and how the main determinats are whether the stomach is full (fiber) and whether their are enough nutrients (supplied mostly by veggies).
That said, I know what you mean about comfort food. It is a hard habit to break if at allt -- and it just goes to show that health is a social thing. Good luck.
A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
... except for the person. Why blame the person for eating like a pig instead of in moderation, when you can blame whatever crap pharma claims to sell you "the next best pill"?
Stop eating like a pig, exercise your lazy azz and you will see results without hurting your health (with chemicals/drugs).
The China Study
Hint: Press Refresh (F5) once, and you can actually read most excerpts from the book for free!
Meanwhile, in related news, North Korea is conducting large scale human tests by feeding segments of their their population nothing but skinny mice.
Have gnu, will travel.
I was trying to understand more specifically the human test diet, described as "composed of whole grains, traditional Chinese medicine and prebiotics (WTP diet)."
A PDF supplement ( http://www.nature.com/ismej/journal/vaop/ncurrent/extref/ismej2012153x1.pdf ) has more details, but is still cursory. Baseline food was "4 cans of gruel per day as staple food contract prepared in the form of cooked porridge." They include cursory nutritional info but not the grain used for the gruel. Bitter melon (presumably the "traditional Chinese medicine" part of the diet) was administered to "markedly modulate the human gut microbiota," inhibiting the growth of many strains of bacteria in the gut. Then prebiotics, presumably, were used to replace some of the beneficial bacteria suppressed by the bitter melon.
The omission of specific details on what the person consumed, the quantities, and the time intervals, seems so glaring that I am surprised that this study was published. Primary school science projects require more rigorousness. Granted, a study of one person is pretty limited in itself, but even that experiment can't be reproduced based on the published study.
Here's a really good layman's article at the Economist mag on this topic.. I read it back in August and haven't stopped thinking about it every time I see someone who is obese but still is chowing down in defiance of his own situation.
Have you fscked your local propeller head today?
It seems so basic that people in countries where they are starving to death in large numbers, that they could benefit from this bacteria. It's just too bad there is so much small minded thinking in this world.
It is everybody's fault, but mine.
>and one wonders about that 'diet of whole grains.' ...but we can eat all the junk food we want...
in perfect /. style I have not read TFA or many/any of the comments. stop eating you fat cunts or get the thinner curse
Diseases and ailments is pathetic. I have had digestive system problems since I was 25 and am now over 50.
The last digestive system guy I visited who was highly educated from a good medical school (UofM) said and I quote..
"You just have a rotten gut". Yes I blinked. I wanted to ask how much he paid for his medical education. But I just
walked out shaking my head.
It took the guy that proposed that ulcers were caused by bacterial infections 5 plus years to put his idea and his
research data into the medical communities awareness. If the medical community is that resistant to new ideas what other things
have been missed due to not thinking outside the box or being forced by ridicule to withdraw a sound idea from publication.
If we stop and think about it, our present 'course' regarding human nutrition is incredibly stupid. On one side, here we believe evolution and natural selection, and the influence of genetic diversity and specificity of human health... and yet we just throw this all out the window when it comes to nutrition (and other aspects of human health). The human physiology evolved, and the GI tract developed, to east certain foods (handle certain groups of fats, proteins, etc.) and use bacteria to help with digestion and aspects of protection from 'bad' bacteria. And now we are taking antibiotics orally, sterilizing so much of our food. When are modifying foods into 'food-like' chemicals and swallowing them regularly. I mean, I'm a PhD chemical engineer... if I just mixed up some vegetable oils, ran some reactions on those oils, poured them into a cup and said, "here, drink this..." Would you? Hell fucking no! I wouldn't drink it myself! Well, we are generally allowing large food conglomerates to do exactly this... we have no idea on the long term human health effects of consumption of modified oils and so many other processed and synthesized foods. Every single food we eat has a pharmacological effect on our body and triggers hormone responses such as insulin release, etc. (don't believe me, just ask someone with a severe food allergy); we need our healthy GI track bacteria. What science has been done generally supports that GI track bacterial flora population 'health' is very ,very important for overall health. "Good bacteria' break down simple sugars (so we absorb them all), fight 'bad' bacteria that can release toxins/enzymes into our GI track, blah blah blah... lot of reasons.
It is good that this gaining momentum because a lot of doctors don't know shit about this unless their medical school made them learn it and a lot of us regular people just don't have the inclination, time, or necessary background education to really study in this area. For now... I recommend everyone try to do some reading in the area of basic human biochemistry and the biochemistry/microbiology of the GI track and food digestion. Frankly I need to do more myself. I did a lot of reading a couple years ago when I got really sick, and had all kinds GI tract and allergic issues for a while... learned some of what I noted above and lot more. I'm pretty much all better now... but, honestly, my primary doctor didn't have clue what was wrong... figured out a lot of it on my own, did see a specialist who was 'mildly' helpful, and sort fixed myself.
oh yeah... Merry Christmas / Happy Holidays / Happy New Year everyone!
Anything to avoid getting out your chair. Right?
Overeating junk and sedentary lifestyle account for the obesity epidemic.
Beyond these two facts, there's nothing important, or even interesting, to be learned about the obesity epidemic.
There's a bit more to it... Regarding the sedentary lifestyle, here's an anecdote: doctors noted, almost a century ago, that patients who stay in bed all day long lose weight faster than those who excercise extensively. Excercise made patients hungrier... As for the obesity epidemic, google "Sugar the bitter truth" and, upon viewing it, check how much sugar is present in your fridge.
Tend to blame the victims. Most modern processed foods are full of inflammatory poisons (HFCS, artificial sweeteners, hydrogenated oils)
Paleo and Atkins work for some, not for others. Blaming people for being fat is like blaming people for being poor and uneducated.
Additionally, fast foods today aren't as healthy as they were years before (HFCS, hydrogenated oils, soy, fillers, artificial colorings, and other carcinogenic preserves using benzenes,) no longer using animal fats, and quality foods aren't subsidized while healthcare is. Juice feasting and lots of water works for many , Paleo and Atkins works for some, but have a crouton and you blow up like a blimp from the "carb starving".
The societal equation is wrong. Food is medicine, when used properly.
People who are struggling with this should at least consider the documentaries : "Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead" and "Forks over Knives" and watch the tons of videos on YouTube that show people transforming their lives and regaining control.
Funny, common sense doesn't always mean right sense. This is one of those cases. If your someone whose body happens to crave right around the right amount of food then you are lucky. If not then it'd be nice to find out why.
Paying taxes to buy civilization is like paying a hooker to buy love.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BRFSS_obesity_1985-2006.gif
Look at how it takes hold in Mississippi, then spreads out from there to "infect" other states.
"I assumed blithely that there were no elves out there in the darkness"
You are lying to yourself or badly mismeasuring your food intake.
It's thermodynamics, you idiots. If you consume more energy than you expend, your body stores it as fat. It's that simple.
Fucking christ.
Sure, give the fat people more excuses, that'll work like charm.
Look, anyone with even a passing interest in obesity has known for at least a decade that the problem is a non-trivial mix of genetic factors, lifestyle and eating habits. In the west, however, where issues such as food supply don't enter the equation, the main problem is psychological. Simplified: In order to stop being a fat pig, you would need to change something in your life. More sport, healthier food, less food, less sugary drinks, whatever it is, it requires mental energy to change. Once you have gone down the road to being fat far enough, your primary source of mental energy is - high-energy food. So you are basically fucked unless you can also change your motivational circuits at the same time. Good luck.
Why am I angry at this article and every other who thinks that things are simple and implies a single causation? Because it plays right into the weakness of those trying to (and failing) get back to being a human being. You know, instead of a big blob of fat tissue with a human core hidden somewhere deep within.
An excuse gives you an opportunity to fail without feeling bad about yourself. Which increases the likelihood of failing.
But the facts are that pretty much every(*) obese person is entirely reponsible for their state. I'm not saying it is easy to change, but the causes are a) internal and not external and b) within their control.
(*) unless you have a medical statement from an actual doctor diagnosing one of the very few and very rare actual medical conditions that cause obesity, that includes you. In other words: 99.99% of the obese population.
Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
American Gut - what's in your gut?
Say you and an person who "eats like a pig" both consume the same amount of calories and expend the same amount of work per day for a month, would you be willing to accept the change in weight results as definitive proof as to whether it is the person who is at blame or some other factors?C
Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
Everyone knows infants were giving a choice of inherited genetics and environment before birth.
Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
"'The endotoxin-producing Enterobacter decreased in relative abundance from 35% of the volunteer's gut bacteria to non-detectable, during which time the volunteer lost 51.4kg of 174.8kg initial weight and recovered from hyperglycemia and hypertension after 23 weeks on a diet of whole grains, traditional Chinese medicinal foods and prebiotics.' "
Which translates to "If you don't eat fatty foods you won't get fat"
But hey blame it on the bacteria, that has to be easier than a diet of "whole grains" and prebiotics.
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
I've always found that an evening of serious drinking will result in crapping myself completely empty the next day. So there is that.
Fuck science, fuck solving the problem, this guy needs to feel good about himself and take credit for his metabolism, that changes everything.
Who knew that China was generous enough to spend time, money, energy, and precious medical resources on what is essentially a problem only in the West in general and in the United States, in particular?! That is real white of them!
Fat people need to eat less.
Getting rid of a bacterium may make "economic"sense, but it doesn't make any other kind of sense.
you can lose weight by ingesting e. coli bacteria. they say it is readily available
It worked for me.
That, and it's relatively uncommon.
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.
Ernest Hemingway
The moral of the story is YMMV. If you limit intake of these "modern processed foods", limit or eliminate (shudder) alcohol consumption, eat nothing with added sweeteners, and eat healthy, low calorie foods that do the best job of filling you up, your body's biochemistry will eventually revert to a healthier system that makes keeping the weight off easier. Help yourself out by keeping only healthy things around the home and office to eat. They will taste better the hungrier you become. It is much more difficult for some than others, and there is no substitute for willpower.
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.
Ernest Hemingway
My wife had a similar problem, ate reasonably, exercised a lot, wouldn't lose weight. I know you said you tried to control carbs, but the 4 hour body diet worked for her, so maybe it would work for you.
Six days a week, high-protein, mid-fat, very very low carb. Try to zero out carbs if you can (two glasses of dry red wine are as close as you should get to carbohydrates of any sort). However, on the seventh day ("cheat day")...very high carb, mid-fat, low-protein. This tricks your body out to prevent it from going into equilibrium. It's like a weekly Thanksgiving, sorta. Also, eat at least 30g of protein every morning (including cheat day) within 30 minutes of waking up - that is a hard and fast deadline, you MUST eat at LEAST 30g of protein and it MUST be within 30 minutes of gaining consciousness.
I had my doubts, but this diet has worked miracles for my wife, and she didn't even need to exercise anymore. She no longer counts calories, either. It's also working miracles for my mom; she's losing weight, blood pressure and cholesterol are down...doctor told her "whatever you're doing keep doing it!!" Doctors used to say that fat was the source of evil calories but I really think that carbs are the real evil calories.
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Good point, AC! Certainly cows and termites can break down fiber with different gut bacteria (and different gut architecture).
http://www.elmhurst.edu/~chm/vchembook/547cellulose.html
"Animals such as cows, horses, sheep, goats, and termites have symbiotic bacteria in the intestinal tract. These symbiotic bacteria possess the necessary enzymes to digest cellulose in the GI tract. They have the required enzymes for the breakdown or hydrolysis of the cellulose; the animals do not, not even termites, have the correct enzymes. No vertebrate can digest cellulose directly."
That said, somehow I doubt humans could do it because we are not multi-stomached ruminants, but it would be great to see more science studies about it. Maybe you will be proven right and some humans with the right bacteria can do it better than other?
A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
Nobody can get fat (or energy) out of nothing -- or almost nothing -- as it would be against laws of physics. Just count calories and lower drastically the amount of calories you eat on average day, until you start losing weight. It is as simple as that.
Human body cannot get energy out of nothing. Human body has to maintain body temperature which is usually above the surrounding temperature and this takes constant energy. And if you eat nothing or just little, the body has no other choice than start getting the energy by burning fat and other human tissues.
However, it is worth to notice that excessive eating doesn't always has to cause obesity. For example, if you have malabsorption, a large portion of the energy that would have been available in the food, just goes directly through your intestine. That is not against laws of nature. However, getting energy out of nothing, is against laws of nature. You cannot store more energy as a fat, than the amount of energy your food has (and in reality your body has to create heat etc and cannot store all that energy as fat).
Being obese or uneducated are things that people are typically able to change. Very poor people in third world countries might not have possibility of going to school, having libraries etc, but even they can choose to just eat less and lose weight.
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2261720&cid=36545928 especially after you libeled people before it.
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3339513&cid=42393487 supersize your clothes blimp.
You disgusting BLOATED PIG http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3339513&cid=42393487
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2261720&cid=36545928 especially when you also libeled those you threatened with it beforehand.
We know you CRAVE it you obese pig http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3339513&cid=42393487
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2261720&cid=36545928 especially when you also libeled those you threatened with it beforehand also.
Hahahahahahaha ROTFLMAO here's why http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3341329&cid=42396495
I heard ya really like it but yer a lardball fatass that can't have it.
Then where are these magic calories coming from?
Are you bad at math?
Erroneus/john b wilcox: When you eat, is your dish a wheelbarrow, your fork a pitchfork, and spoon a shovel or what http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3345911&cid=42414637 ? Does your bed use chevy truck coil springs and struts to hold your fat ass off the floor too? Hahahaha. No wonder you said this "Oh... to eat pizza again..." by erroneus (253617) on Saturday December 22, @05:20PM (#42371769) from http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335159&cid=42371769 you disgustingly fat hog.
the man (err, fat monstrosity) you are? When you eat, is your dish a wheelbarrow, your fork a pitchfork, & spoon a shovel http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3345911&cid=42414637 ? Does your bed use chevy truck coil springs and struts to hold your fat ass off the floor too? Hahahaha. No wonder you said this "Oh... to eat pizza again..." by erroneus (253617) on Saturday December 22, @05:20PM (#42371769) from http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335159&cid=42371769 you disgustingly fat hog.
Holy Lord you're FAT: When you eat, is your dish a wheelbarrow, your fork a pitchfork, and spoon a shovel or what http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3345911&cid=42414637 ? Does your bed use chevy truck coil springs and struts to hold your fat ass off the floor too? Hahahaha. No wonder you said this "Oh... to eat pizza again..." by erroneus (253617) on Saturday December 22, @05:20PM (#42371769) from http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335159&cid=42371769 you disgustingly fat hog.
When you eat, is your dish a wheelbarrow, your fork a pitchfork, and spoon a shovel or what http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3345911&cid=42414637 ? Does your bed use chevy truck coil springs and struts to hold your fat ass off the floor too? Hahahaha. No wonder you said this "Oh... to eat pizza again..." by erroneus (253617) on Saturday December 22, @05:20PM (#42371769) from http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3335159&cid=42371769 you disgustingly fat hog.