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Steve Jobs Movie Clip Historically Inaccurate, Says Woz
Yesterday saw the release of a clip from the upcoming movie jOBS, a biopic about the life of Apple co-founder Steve Jobs. The clip shows Jobs, played by Ashton Kutcher, having a conversation with Steve Wozniak, played by Josh Gad, about how influential an operating system for a personal computer would be. The real Steve Wozniak commented on the clip, saying the situation it portrayed was "totally wrong." He said, "Personalities and where the ideas of computers affecting society did not come from Jobs. They inspired me and were widely spoken at the Homebrew Computer Club. Steve came back from Oregon and came to a club meeting and didn't start talking about this great social impact. His idea was to make a $20 PC board and sell it for $40 to help people at the club build the computer I'd given away. Steve came from selling surplus parts at HalTed he always saw a way to make a quick buck off my designs (this was the 5th time). The lofty talk came much further down the line." Wozniak was quick to add that he isn't making any judgment on the quality of the movie based on a single, 1-minute clip, and that the rest of the movie may or may not be more accurate. He also says he hopes it's entertaining.
This scene came after the bit where Jobs signed The Beatles, and before he wrote the software that made the special effects in the original Star Wars trilogy possible.
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Script writer must be an iPhone zealot.
"His idea was to make a $20 PC board and sell it for $40 to help people at the club build the computer I'd given away"
Bit of a bitch for the script writer when someone who was actually there at the time who was 50% of the partnership is still alive and can call bullshit. One wonders why they didn't bother asking Woz for information about what happened.
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Since when is Hollywood historically accurate? They added explosions in a Robin Hood movie and a hot air ballon in a movie about the three musketeers.
Liar! Wanna ask God?
Does anyone want to see something historically accurate? Do you really want to see Jobs portrayed accurately?
It will never happen because the hero worship that is going to sell this movie would die if people knew the real Steve Jobs. You know the guy that stole other peoples ideas, actively suppressed worker wages, humiliated employees and random people he met, screwed over Steve Jobs, refused his own daughter for years, tore apart people's life work, disrespected other companies intellectual property and then started World War P.
You could fill this thread with war stories from the people that Steve Jobs burned. That's now what's going to sell this movie at this time, give it a few years and someone might be willing to do so, but until the idol worship tempers down it simply wont sell.
What a shit piece of film-making. Woz was the real hero behind Apple.
Yeah, I am sure that none of these lofty realizations were seen until much much later. At the time I don't think they even knew what they did.
Hello,
The company Woz mentioned, Halted Specialties Company, is still around. Great source of electronics surplus and I have any fond memories of visits there over the past decades and wandering around their dusty shelves. I had no idea they were so instrumental in the founding of Apple Computer.
Regards
Aryeh Goretsky
Dexter is a good dog.
In other words, Woz hopes it doesn't star Ashton Kutcher and Josh Gad.
The original place was sold many, many years ago. The original location on Fair Oaks is under condos now.
i would i could say obvious troll is obvious, but something tellls me you might be a real fanboi
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
... that 50 years from now the media will have deified Jobs and next generations will believe he was a much much larger than life superhero who bootstrapped the entire computer industry and singlehandedly created new innovative products and touched so many people on a deep and personal level through his enduring work. And the real heros, Woz and the hundreds of Apple engineers and designers, will remain a footnote in some obscure appendix in a seldom read computer book, if that.
Makes me sick, this cult of the Jobs personality and posthumous canonization of a glorified $20-profit salesman.
Just like The Social Network was based on 100% fact! So was Hackers! And The Net!
He also hold the record for Tetris on a Gameboy. When Nintendo Power magazine stopped accepting his high scores (he'd confirm by mailing in Polaroids of the screen), he started submitting his name spelled backwards.
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Well they certainly were not kind to the Woz on looks in this movie. Go back and look at the Woz in the 70's not today. He was a good looking guy, arguably better looking then Jobs. Aston Kutcher does look like Jobs in some of the other pics, remarkably so. http://images.intomobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/steve_wozniak_steve_jobs11-660x465.jpg
The comment about Halted needs a little context. Halted (still in business) is an Electronics part store in the Silicon Valley (Sunnyvale off of Central Expressway & Lawerence for those who care..) I is the place you go when you need the odd-ball capacitor or resistor for your electronics project. Lots of good quality junk there.
Have you compiled your kernel today??
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My ism, it's full of beliefs.
made up bullshit in a biography. I love to watch shows on Hitlers double life of killing Jews in his day to day in front of the public job while saving them after work hours.
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
Somebody gave me Steven Levy's Hackers: Heroes of the Computer Revolution as a teen (thankfully missing the minefield of shitty books with the term "hacker" in their title) and it was amazing. Early days computer hobbyists, Paul Allen and Bill Gates writing BASIC for the Altair on a timeshare and dealing with the hobbyists who wanted to copy it instead of buy it, Ken and Roberta Williams and Sierra On-Line, and so much more.
Also loved the more recent Commodore: A Company on the Edge by Brian Bagnall. Just captivates the imagination to read about people hand-drawing their CPUs. There's an enthusiasm in the early computer industry that seems to have dampened over the years, as startups and corporations begin with the money in mind rather than the starry-eyed idealism and hobbyist tendencies that powered the first personal computer businesses.
Neither of these feature Ashton Kutcher, however, or even Steve Jobs to any great extent. But if your passion for computers is in their function rather than their form I highly recommend the above books.
Try not. Do or do not, there is no try.
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it must be really frustrating for Job's fans that there's still someone around than can correct their white-washed version of history.
It's a movie about Steve Jobs; the only way for it to be honest is if it's filled with rewritten history and selectively ommitted truths and just blatent lies.
Also, unless Apple sues the producers of this movie, it's not very realistic.
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Why Ashton Kutcher?
Anywhere?
Ever.
Just
Steve Jobs was a bad apple.
Revisionary perhaps, not visionary. He was a succesful and ruthless business man, not a genius.
Without Jobs, Woz would have made a good computer that would have sold a lot less, if at all.
Without Woz, Jobs would have sold radio's or cars or some crap, and he would have been succesfull at it, but probably not computers.
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Hasn't Woz also always said that he doesn't remember shit from before his plane accident?
Steve Jobs was such a hipster he sported a douche collar before anyone thought it was cool.
Hail to the lord of all hipsters, prepare your tithe for the app store.
If Charlie Sheen had been cast as Jobs.
"The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old......They literally know nothing." - Ben Rhodes
So I bought an iphone/ipad/imac whatever and am dumb enough to use it... do I have to now as well know and worship the contrived life story of immense achievement that is only surpassed by that of Kim-Jong-Il himself? He's with his daddy now, cube-boy Stevie is, and daddy is in a recycling mood :-)
Kelso playing Jobs... Can someone point me to anything where Ashton Kutcher does more than either act like a doofy shit, or plain ole talks like he is disinterested?
... just wait until the climactic finale, when MegaJobs burns down Cupertino with his laserbeam eyes.
Now that is just an outright pernicious rewrite of history. Scelbi, Altair, IMSAI, SWTPC, etc. Those companies put the foundations down. Not Apple. Not Woz. Not Jobs. I had a PC on my desk before the Apple-I prototype ever saw the light bulb in that garage.
check it:
1973
Scelbi-8H
Wang 2200
1974
Mark-8
1975:
MITS Altair 8800
SwTPC 6800
Sphere
IMSAI 8080
IBM 5100
1976
MOS KIM-1
Sol-20
Hewlett-Packard 9825
PolyMorphic
Cromemco Z-1
--fyngyrz (anon due to mod points)
Without Woz, Jobs would have been that annoying fuck trying to sell you a cellphone at Radio Shack when you went in looking for a 10k resistor.
Two movies? Hollywood still has this incestous crap of three asteroid movies in one year, two Dalia Lama movies or whatever else the've heard the other studio is doing.
Without Jobs Woz wouldn't have sold ANY. It's fine to be a Jobs hater but at least have a clue about what actually happened. Woz was never selling any computer. He just wanted to be an engineer at HP. Without Jobs Woz would just be another chunky neckbeard sitting in a cubicle somewhere.
I hate how a lot of this history has been rewritten to make Jobs the genius and Woz just Jobs' partner. Woz built the early Apples, designing some components (like the floppy drive controller) from scratch, and Jobs just did the stuff that no self-respecting hardware guy would want to do, namely marketing and style.
I understand that English is a living language, but I object to changes arising merely from repeated errors.
Really? Are we still doing this?
The absolute values of their IQs are the same. The only difference is Jobs' IQ is expressed with a positive number.
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Side-of-the-story set aside, that book made Jobs look a whole lot different than Apple would paint him today. Steve Jobs was the business man, not the innovator. I remember the book documenting an argument between Jobs and Woz's father where the latter was screaming at Jobs: you didn't do shit!!! The argument was about money. That book showed Jobs as a tyrannical, tantrum throwing, son of a bitch that everyone at Apple feared and hated (despite a lot of them made an assload of money off their stock benefits). No surprise Hollywood is trying to make him look like a saint; so many of them carry a piece of his legacy in their pocket or briefcase.
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The Bible is like Wikipedia: written by a bunch of people and verifiable by questionable sources.
"Zero Dark Thirty" is not an accurate portrayal of Osama bin Laden.
"Lincoln" is not an accurate portrayal of Abraham Lincoln.
"The Ten Commandments" does not portray Moses accurately.
Why does Woz look like Penn Gilette on a bad hair day?
I'll skip jOBS and wait for the more interesting wOZ. (If I haven't nuked Hollywood in an OCD induced rage before that.)
This movie may be just a little bloody 'pice' of shit after all.
And yes, I posit that Steven P. Jobs was just such just a pice of SHIT.
And the stock price of Apple Inc. not Apple Computer has and will continue to plumb the depth of NASDEQ hell until delisting in 2015.
So much for the 'Cook' in the Executive Suite !
XD ,n!m
He also says he hopes it's entertaining.
I think I am not the only one, especially those of us who knew Steve Jobs, who will say this ... It'll be a very sad day if the movie that supposed to tell the story of Mr. Steve Jobs becomes a movie that is "entertaining".
Steve Jobs is never an "entertaining" kind of guy. In fact, Mr. Jobs can be the worst kind of SOB when he was in his mood.
I hope the movie producer can get more information from people who knew Steve Jobs and make a movie that is not just entertaining but instead, also give proper justice to Mr. Steve Jobs, the man.
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
Edison stole some ideas. The ideas weren't where the greatness was, though. Most people here have had several great ideas. How many of us have had any noticeable impact on the world?
Edison designed and hand built about a THOUSAND different lightbulb designs that didn't work before finding one that did work well. That effort made changed the world. Lots of people had ideas, Edison had determination and worked like crazy to turn an idea into an immensely useful product.
Similarly Jobs. I'll never buy an Apple prodict because I value freedom, but I'll give credit where credit is due. Xerox had decided not to pursue the GUI idea because it was unusable. Apple, led by Jobs, turned an unusable concept into a case study on usability.
I have plenty of good ideas. If a Jobs or Edison would come along and go through 1,200 protypes to turn my idea into a great, highly useful product we'd all be better off.
The comparison to Tesla is kind of silly because although Tesla did some good work, he was more like PT Barnum or Ripley - more hype than anything. A lot of his "inventions" were of the tinfoil hat variety, while Edison was producing working products for our day-to-day lives.
Shit Is As Shit Does.
XD
...read Andy Hertzfeld's site http://www.folklore.org/ which contains stories from the people who actually designed and built the Mac. Some of these stories went into the book "Revolution in the Valley" which you can still buy on Amazon.
Your memory would be fucked up too if you took some brain damage in an airplane crash like Woz did. He thought he could fly it no problem after a few dozen hours on a simulator game. He found out the hard way it just ain't so.
Understanding the scope of the problem is the first step on the path to true panic.
...is Microsoft Surface AD before the clip. ...also captcha : adverse
It sure is innacurate there's a Surface Publicity before the clip XD
We realise that you're butthurt, but there's no need to make up complete bollocks.
You can just claim they're making too much profit.
That, at least, is subjective and not known to be false.
Tandy sold computers and they didn't have a Jobs.
Sinclair sold computers and they didn't have a Jobs.
Commodore sold computers and they didn't have a Jobs.
So why is it that only Apple that wouldn't have sold ANY computers without a Jobs? Are you claming they produce crap?
,,,MZ was dating Lennay Kukua.
Translation: "I just wanted to dick around with computers and make no money. If it had't been for Steve, I'd have been a total unknown super nerd." Yeah, Woz might've done the technical work that started Apple, but if you don't have a communicator you've got nothing. Social intelligence it what ultimately gets money and fame, not technical intelligence.
And in an effort to prevent others from finding their own way to the top, from time to time the various organs of the Republic would engage in a disinformation campaign. Histories of successful people were reportedly distorted and 'enhanced,' to make their later success easier to understand, while at the same time ensuring that their efforts could not be easily duplicated by simply copying their behaviors & actions. It was trivial to enact: those who had achieved great wealth often enjoyed the ego-feeding exercise of believing that they were predestined to achieve it, that they were special; rather than the reality that at that age, they had run calculation after calculation, and were never sure of their own success.
The effects were plain to see -> a heavily romanced view of reality often lead to others internalizing the various actions of the characters seen on screen and in books; watchers would come away, thinking that if they were simply passionate enough about their chosen road to riches, then they could achieve all things; the prerequisites for achieving this success were sadly glossed over, and almost totally unreplicable. Just as 'Stand and Deliver' gave way to an entire generation of teachers who believed that they could change things by just caring a little more / fighting the system on behalf of their students, the point of these works was to activate the emotional centers of the brain, while deactivating the logical centers. Thus you ended up with what is essentially a headless army -> people willing to do something, but with no idea how to actually achieve it; they bought the kit for an airplane, which they believe will give them wondrous weekend holidays in Canada, but lack the instructions and know how to put it together.
It would be three centuries before anyone realized how damaging these efforts were, and an additional 150 years before they would be disbanded.
I am John Hurt.
I seem to recall that the lack of hard-drive on the original macs was because Jobs didn't want a fan in it. I'm sorry, but after five minutes of watching the sales person switch floppies, I went back to my C-64.
Aston Kucher is a self aggrandizing asshole, the perfect person to play steve jobs....blah
Historically inaccurate, like Woz and Apple's claim that he invented the personal computer. I see.
No, without Woz, Jobs would have made a billion dollars some other way. Without Jobs, Woz would have been a nobody, not even a footnote in history. He probably would have spent 30 years behind the counter of some little computer store soldering shit together.
Nope. More like Post 42696699.
No, you'd be wrong. I just find it laughable that a man who takes credit for inventing the personal computer, and constantly downplays the contributions of others, takes such interest in the historical accuracy of a loosely inspired work of fiction. The only distortions we're to believe are Woz's, I suppose.