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FBI Releases Boston Bombing Suspect Images/Videos
An anonymous reader writes "The FBI has released images of what they say are two suspects with backpacks and ball caps. 'Somebody out there knows these individuals as friends, neighbors, co-workers or family members of the suspects,' Special Agent Rick DesLauriers, the head of the FBI's Boston office said. 'And though it may be difficult, the nation is counting on those with information to come forward and provide it to us.'"
http://i.imgur.com/I1dF69f.jpg left of the screen with white hat
There are cheap cameras today that do full HD, low artifacts, and run 30 frames a second. These images were from old equipment and software. The smudged faces is that. They should be replaced. All replaced. The city I live has less than one FPS on its non-traffic cameras. It's pathetic what salesman push on the HLS-cash-infused cities when cheaper, and much better, hardware and software is available right now. You get what you pay for, and sometimes, not even that.
All the money in "defense spending" both internal and international and we're crowdsourcing their jobs?
Allright, let the FBI go on looking without any help from the general public, some of whom will know these two. That should give these two time to perform an attack on the people you know and love. Sheesh.
No, idiot, they're asking people who were in Boston on Monday taking pictures with their smartphones to look through their photos again. Chances are lots of people inadvertently got photos of the guys, and some of those might be clear enough for identification (as opposed to the crummy security cam footage).
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The only 2 men with a black backpack that 4chan and reddit didn't accuse.
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
There's a fine line between soliciting public support and encouraging vigilante justice.
... now might not be a bad choice.
Though, if there ever was a time that we needed the detective
- Nec Impar Pluribus, or so I'm told.
you are right, anytime you go somehwere there should be an agent asking for your papers and your reason to be there
though I have a question...
how retarded are you?
I'm surprised they couldn't clean up the images more. Clearly you can't do much with a single image since there's only so much information, but with a video you're getting a slightly different set of information with each frame, I always figured you could do a mapping/averaging of all the different shots and extract something a little cleaner. Unfortunately it looks like that's not the case (or at least it doesn't work well here).
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I hope they're the ones that did it, because whether they are or not, in the eyes of a public starving for villains to blame they're now as good as guilty.
There are cheap cameras today that do full HD, low artifacts, and run 30 frames a second. These images were from old equipment and software. The smudged faces is that. They should be replaced.
No need for that. The police just has to call the crime lab at CSI Miami or Chloe down at the CTU. If all the moles have been properly smoked out from those organizations it should be possible to get 3D pictures of both suspects.
lucm, indeed.
There were at least 4 Craft guys. They had radiation detectors on site and were caught on camera using them after the explosion. They were private contractors, not official government agents. All 4 Craft guys are well known to the FBI and were acting on behalf of the organizers of the event. This is something they do frequently.
Yes, but please for the love of $deity don't let them program search databases. I cringe every time when they do a fingerprint or photo match on CSI. Instead of looking for the file, it painstakingly takes every picture from the database, displays it, finds out that it doesn't match... rinse repeat.
Seriously, it is quite hard to take shows serious when they do junk like that. But then again, like a friend of mine (who actually DOES that kind of work over here) said "they wouldn't even greenlight the expense for the checks they do routinely if we'd be looking for someone who shot the prez".
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
You could identify anyone with those pics. Put a basecap on a dog and it should work if his muzzle ain't too long.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
It's a bridgestone golf hat.
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
They just aren't yelling "ENHANCE" loud enough yet. Give it time...
There are cheap cameras today that do full HD, low artifacts, and run 30 frames a second. These images were from old equipment and software. The smudged faces is that. They should be replaced. All replaced. The city I live has less than one FPS on its non-traffic cameras. It's pathetic what salesman push on the HLS-cash-infused cities when cheaper, and much better, hardware and software is available right now. You get what you pay for, and sometimes, not even that.
These look like local business security cams -- who is going to pay the businesses to replace the cameras and DVR's every year to keep up with the latest and greatest technology? Or do you think the government should blanket every public space with hi-def facial recognition cameras covering every inch of every public space so they are prepared for the next time this happens?
Don't forget to factor in the storage needs - my "action cam" generates 8GB of data/hour for 1080p 30fps -- if a small municipality has 200 cameras, that's over 1 Petabyte of data/month. Video compression can help, but only to a point since you don't want to lose any of that high resolution that your expensive camera is providing. And at around 20mbit/sec of data per camera, that's 4 gbit/sec of network bandwidth. And of course, someone has to monitor and repair those cameras - every time someone paints over the lens or otherwise damages the camera, someone's got to go out and fix it. There's no telling whether spraypaint over the lens is random graffiti or a precursor to an attack.
It's certainly a solvable problem - casinos are reported to have hundreds or thousands of cameras throughout the facility, but implementing such a system is not cheap, good thing casinos have people handing over bucketloads of cash to pay for it.
Note the military style shoes/boots on the two buff goons in the image from the link above, and the random sneaker shoes on the suspects. Also though one FBI suspect is wearing tan pants, the other is not, and nether "carry" themselves like the two goons.
But let's not let a good conspiracy theory get in to way of common sense...
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They know the resolution stinks. What they are hoping for is that people will go through their personal photos that they took which are much better resolution and notice that one of them may be in the background.
Be civil.
Not sure if it helps with the case but I noticed these two are going for a "yin yang" theme. One has a white hat, the other has a black. One wears it backwards the other forwards. One is wearing tan, the other black pants. The black hat has white on it which must represent the white dot in the black yang, and the man with the white hat has a black emblem on the white yin. Yin-yang implies they are complementary, not opposing forces. And, it shows that they probably believe that they had to commit this atrocity to transform society. A shadow cannot exist without light. There was probably some meaning in the fact that they placed two bombs that were built differently as well. You might want to ask school teachers / students / parents about anyone who had a predilection for yin-yang and opposing concepts, maybe they liked drawing the symbols in notebooks. Also, this pattern is bound to show up frequently as more details about the case come out. I'm willing to bet there's a lot of duality and philosophy being applied here.
Wow. You seriously think that if a merc outfit was sent in to do a job for who knows what reason that they would wear logo gear to the gig? I though all bad guys wore a uniform for swift identification of their badness, that's what 20 years of shooters have taught me!
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As usual, with the camera being slightly above the target, the angle of these security cameras are fairly bad if the perp is wearing a hat. Seeing as cameras are now tiny, it's time to start mounting them at about the 5 foot level. It's so much easier to identify a person at that angle. This would explain why they're looking for somebody with a cell phone picture.
a) Facebook photo's are (or should be) private especially to the government
b) Even if it's 99.9% accurate, that still yields a lot of false positives. And having worked with that stuff, you would be glad to have 90% recognition.
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And this is why people are scared of Google Glass--it'll make an already existing problem worse; that is, the government will outsource its spying to the people.
To my very untrained eye it also seems like there are a couple other tailing people (red cap and yellow jacket). How two are suspects and the other two are not... Maybe the two suspect backpacks were found to be the blast sources?
I wonder if the FBI read Slashdot? I bear a moderate similarity (in profile) to the man in the white cap. Same hair, same nose, etc. However, I have a water-tight alibi - I was 16,000km away and in bed at the time.
So you SAY. Can anybody verify that?
Right, because a high-level government conspiracy with the complicity of the FBI would lack the resources to produce appropriate fake photos to support their deception, thus the FBI's inability to release conclusive photos indicates this was a false-flag attack. Logic!
Occupy Wall Street showed that when the US Gov't wants a protest movement to go away, it does. So who really cares if we're being watched? What difference does it make from a practical standpoint. Plus, if we can catch these sort of things it's one less excuse for pointless wars against anybody with a turban and brown skin, and one less excuse for Patriot Acts.
All you're really giving up anyway is the illusion of freedom you don't have. Real freedom is economic freedom, and OWS showed us who's really in control.
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On the contrary, it's is where you need it the utmost, lest you steep down to their level. When you look into the abyss, the abyss also looks into you...
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Dead men walking.
Along with anyone who looks like them.
Worked for CSI:
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Apparently being anti-Steam is grounds for insults, even if there's basis. I shall learn to keep my mouth shut.
How much trouble could it be for the coders of Slashdot to really limit the length of the initial part of posts to limit the nuisance caused by the person who keeps posting lengthy nonsense? It sounds like an easy fix which should be done immediately.
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The President has already been re-elected so he wouldn't have anything to gain by it
The senate could instill him as emperor of the republic until the war with the trade federation is over.
According to a retired deputy in Florida the bag that has been shown at the railing was his, and was gone before the explosion.
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%&@$ autocorrect!
Yeah, because watching some ubernerd executing commandline scripts in a terminal makes for great television. :)
suspect means its the person(s) of most interest based on the given evidence, and no not just anyone, anyone with a black backpack in the immidiate area large enough to hold a pressure cooker ya dink
go be scared somewhere else and try and let the professionals narrow information down to without a reasonable doubt.
That old guy in the blue top in the foreground looks way too happy. I reckon it was him.
It's OK Bender, there's no such thing as 2.
Since you had the courage to post with your account, I decided not to down-mod you, but ask you a counter-question: How?
Many countries have problems with selective interpretations of religion (including Christianity - abortion clinics, for example). How would you prevent such behavior? By outlawing a religion (Won't help - you don't declare your religion upon entry into the US)? How about ethnic cleansing (huge collateral damage)?
And if you resort to such techniques, what does it say about the robustness of your country's ideals? If you drop them at the first sign of trouble, are they really worth preserving? India (the world's largest democracy) has had attacks for decades (citation). And they haven't spent years interfering in the Middle East. So if you have a workable solution, I'd love to hear it.
There are 1.4 billion Muslims worldwide. If it's the Muslims, you're fucked.
LOL you make it sound like they're doing it completely out of the blue and American troops aren't occupying some of their countries. I don't agree with terrorism, but come on, you can't just get pissed because they won't just let America run them over. If you're in a fight with somebody (for any reason), you have to expect to get hit back sometimes. Get a grip on reality. Besides, what Islamic extremists have bombed America in the past 4 or 5 years? I don't recall any. Also, we have no idea why the Boston bombings happened yet, but it doesn't ring of Islam, I can tell ya that much.
"existing problem"? What problem? FBI asking Americans to look at their photos in order to help identify and question suspects who *bombed* innocent civilians at a freaking marathon? What is so terrible about that? You freaking nuts are sick.
Where are the pictures of them dropping and leaving the backpacks in the exact spots the explosions took place?
They mentioned that on one newscast. They suggested that the FBI didn't want potental witnesses to get confused by what they saw personally and what they saw on TV.
Imagine at trial months from now, the defense attorney cross examining a witness, "Now Mr/Ms So-and-so, are you certain you personally saw my client place his backpack at the scene of the explosion or are you just remembering the video the FBI distributed after the incident?"
Well, it's counter to American culture, and it will take a couple of generations, but the 'how' is through education. Fund schools in Pakistan and Afghanistan and Yemen and Sudan. Support local politicians, through dollars, who endorse education of their people, particularly girls. More than anything else, the Mullahs fear an educated populace. Educate them out of ignorance and terror.
I'm surprised that the doubting Thomases are getting so many mod points around here today. There is no better facial recognition system in the world than the human brain. The pictures are worthlessly low-res and indiscriminate? Someone who knows these individuals will correlate the physical details of the face, the expression, the height, haircut, posture, and clothing instantly and unconsciously. They will be recognized. Those acquaintances can see the forest. All we are getting is trees.
And to cover the other criticism of why these two were chosen... Both were seen walking together with black backpacks. Then each one was seen individually right at one of the two bomb sites. In the case of suspect #2, there is video of him putting his backpack down and then walking away from it. Personally I agree that this is sufficient to refer to both individuals as "suspects."
Since you had the courage to post with your account, I decided not to down-mod you, but ask you a counter-question: How?
Under which guideline would you have down-modded his post? I don't have points myself right now, but I don't remember there being an option in the dropdown for "Unlikeable."
About 70% of bombings conducted in the US since 9/11 have been conducted by neo-nazis and similar radical groups.
http://homegrown.newamerica.net/map
Maybe he was lazy and overstayed his student visa instead of renewing it, and thus deserves to be deported. And maybe he's the brat of some rich saudi connected to the government, and they don't want a big scene.
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Not that I'm condoning any violence but when a bunch of Saudis brought down your towers you did use it to justify killing a lot more than 3000 innocent Muslims... Look at it from another perspective. You're a huge and powerful country that thought you were completely justified to kill a bunch of innocents. Why would a hurting and disillusioned Muslim feel bad about taking the hurt to you? From my perspective you both have pretty similar attitudes. If you want to claim the moral high ground you have to earn it.
Additionally, as the other poster said there is currently no link between this bombing and Islam. So you're either a troll or a racist, probably both.
I don't think the AC is saying it is justified so much as he is suggesting that you look at why these things might be happening. Besides, aren't you the one trying to say that this bombing justifies "doing something" about Muslims?
Quod erat demonstrandum
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Can they be seen in the videos/photos of the live fire exercises that occurred in downtown miami earlier this year? http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/01/25/blackhawks-used-in-military-training-exercise-in-miami/ is the only non-wacko-paranoid news site I can find that mentions it, though I remember more sites inculding the miami newspaper mentioning it when it happened. That CBS link also mentions
The training is designed to ensure that military personnel are able to operate in urban areas and to focus on preparations for overseas deployment. It also serves as a mandatory training certification requirement.
A similar operation took place in April 2011 in Miami's Brickell area, which frightened many residents in the area.
This time, the training operations were held away from residential areas.
a Slashdotter claiming a female bed partner? Now we know you're hiding something behind those lies.
So he changed shoes too?
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You're not expected to judge them, only to recognize them. It just might be possible they're not releasing every single picture they have.
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spying is tapping phones and hiding cameras in a home's air ducts or reading private e-mail. Not looking through photos of people walking down the street. That's why they call it "in public."
Now we know what those damned North Koreans were up to! They might want to turn the yield up on those "nukes" a little more though.
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I agree. We should catch them, try them and if guilty fry them. No reason not to be civil.
Er, how do you know they are muslim? That bit hasn't been found out yet. And if they were, to be fair, you have been bombing quite a few of their countries for quite a few years now. You expect zero backlash?
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It is an easy fix that should be done immediately. Unfortunately, they posted the job on dice.com... Poster child for the danger of dogfooding.
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
Mind you the average person in the US isn't terribly bright.
The US governance also fears an educated population. Educate them out of ignorance and wars on terror.
How much trouble could it be for the coders of Slashdot to really limit the length of the initial part of posts to limit the nuisance caused by the person who keeps posting lengthy nonsense? It sounds like an easy fix which should be done immediately.
OMG Please yes! GP had 727 lines of SPAM before the slashcode cut off the text. That's abnormal. Tangentially related: does anyone know of a HOSTS-file based method to filter out those posts? *evilgrin*
the abyss also looks into you...
And that's a Problem, amirite?
What about Timothy McVeigh? Are you saying it's ok for US military veterans to kill kids at a day care center? Are you saying it's justified for NRA members to blow up buildings? Should we look the other way when American raised as Catholics commit mass murder?
No, I think you would disagree. Because in those instances we're tying one nutjob murderer to larger groups that he is not a representative member of. So why do you make that same mistake with muslims, assuming they're all evil or that there's a vast muslim movement to destroy the US? Are you listening to too much of the far right wing media that keeps insisting that muslims are the enemy, spending too much time reading WorldNet Daily, going to one of those churches who falsely teach that islam is a religion of violence while overlooking all the violence that Christians have committed?
And why do you think this bombing was the result of muslims in the first place?
2) declaration of dictatorship
Him and what army? Any U.S. President who tried that would lose their control of the military. Military members swear to defend the constitution. If a president wanted dictatorship, martial law with suspension of elections would be a better choice, but that would require something so severe that it would cause the American Civil War to pale in comparison, considering the elections still happened then.
...as a statistician, I feel obliged to point out that racial profiling by security forces is probably biasing the results.
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The terrorists who hijacked the planes and then slammed them into the World Trade Center (and the Pentagon and the one which crashed in Pennsylvania) were ALL college educated
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What about Timothy McVeigh? Are you saying it's ok for US military veterans to kill kids at a day care center? Are you saying it's justified for NRA members to blow up buildings?
Nice slander there. Timothy Mcveigh was a former member --he joined while he was in the US Army, but later quit the NRA, viewing its stance on gun rights as too weak.
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Muslim countries on the whole are black holes of civilization in every way, from human rights to education, not to mention science and technology. Nothing positive has come from Islam for many, many centuries. Islam is a primitive, violent, mind suffocating ideology of fear and oppression and we are trying to drag them out of it's grip and into the modern world even against their will, as it is not in our interest to share the planet with a bunch of medieval ignoramuses armed with nukes. The entire Muslim world, all one billion of them, have accomplished exactly TWO Nobel prizes for Science (both of them Western educated scientists who happen to be Muslim) and few more for Peace, mostly terrorists! Meanwhile 20 million Jews have won 177 Nobel prizes! Islam needs to be radically reformed if the human civilization is to progress and I don't give a crap if Muslims feelings are hurt as there are actually more important things that Muslims feelings. So shove your cultural relativism up your liberal ass.
Negative moral value of force outweighs the positive value of good intentions.
if spree killers usually use guns, then we must do something about all gun owners, right?
This sort of thing causes secondary terrorism of those falsely accused.
Oh shit, now there's a guy shooting police officers at MIT.
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/04/theres-shooter-loose-and-officer-down-mit/64379/
You completely ignored the GP's message to spout off your hostile and prejudiced tirade. The question was why do you expect them to give a crap about how innocents in America feel if America doesn't give a crap about their innocents?
That fellow (Jeff Bauman) who lost both legs below the knee, the one whose femoral artery is being pinched shut by Carlos Arredondo as he's being wheeled away from the incident, identified his attacker. From Bloomberg:
"Minutes before the bombs blew up in Boston, Jeff Bauman looked into the eyes of the man who tried to kill him.
Just before 3 p.m. on April 15, Bauman was waiting among the crowd for his girlfriend to cross the finish line at the Boston Marathon. A man wearing a cap, sunglasses and a black jacket over a hooded sweatshirt looked at Jeff, 27, and dropped a bag at his feet, his brother, Chris Bauman, said in an interview.
Two and a half minutes later, the bag exploded, tearing Jeff’s legs apart. A picture of him in a wheelchair, bloodied and ashen, was broadcast around the world as he was rushed to Boston Medical Center. He lost both legs below the knee."
-- http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-19/boston-bombing-victim-in-iconic-photo-helped-identify-attackers.html
Under which guideline would you have down-modded his post? I don't have points myself right now, but I don't remember there being an option in the dropdown for "Unlikeable."
Flame-bait: There is no evidence at this time to back up his hypothesis that it was Islamic fundamentalists. Also, he used a phrase "If the world can't keep Islam and all the Islamic violence out, at least USA can try" - which would seem to imply that he has a problem with the religion and the violence, without differentiating the two (and which planet would he have them relocate to?).
Don't you know? The army of batshit-fucking-crazy delusions in conspiracy nutters' noggins. They have black UN helicopters, for goodness sake!
I'm not trying to slander, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of attributing the sins of a few people onto all the organizations and ethnic groups that they belong to.
It's nice you found links that aren't directly from Glenn Beck but the story line you are propagating is directly from Mr. Conspiracy himself. He's tried to turn every single rumor about this into an attack on Obama, in this case being that the kid is actually involved but connected and so Obama is trying to sneak him out of the country. He doesn't need facts on his side, he relies on innuendo and people like you to propagate the falsehoods. Did you realize you just became a willing participant in a propaganda campaign by a crazy Mormon?
As the other poster said there could be a million reasons to deport him, including that when they searched his apartment they found cannabis or even that his parents asked him to come home so he doesn't get hurt by vigilantes. If I was him I'd think about leaving too, you never know when someone like Glenn Beck is going to point the mob in your direction and laugh all the way to bank when his vigilante mob murders the wrong person.
Low resolution cameras are so yesterday. We use 10Mpixel high definition security cameras at our security gates that can easily identify a person with high accuracy, and they are inexpensive. All existing security cameras across the country, and especially in cities with highly popular mass activities, need to be upgraded from NEARLY USELESS to highly discerning high definition. I feel so sad at all the ancient-technology video security footage you see after every crime, when current cameras at often lower cost, are AMAZING. Please, everyone with a security camera, for the sake of innocent victims, please upgrade your security cameras to high definition. Ok, so you may need to upgrade your security camera servers too. Again, for the sake of the victims, please put it in your budget now !!
"It's just that I can't stand it no more"
Yea, I felt that way too when the IRA were bombing mainland UK whilst being
bankrolled by Americans. (NORAID)
Culture is just a set of preconceived notions. I don't see how that is anything but intellectually limiting.
Someone was watching neil degrasse tyso lol...al-ghazali destroyed the middle east as an intellectual bastion. Who knows what nobel prize discoveries we could have had.
Look no further than the KKK to see an extensive history of violence in the USA coming from proud Christians. Thousands of people dead because of a different flavor of intolerance, in a different era. This too shall pass.
I bet lemon-juice boarding would suck. Also firing squads are still technically legal in areas of the us...
I've seen faces like that in New York, Detroit, Chicago, Seattle, Quito, Lima, Moscow, Rome, Venice, Madrid, and La Paz. For that matter he looks a whole lot like a guy I went to high school with in Michigan in the '70s. To my knowledge none of them were muslim, and the guy in Michigan was a Baptist.
Just because someone has darker skin and a bigger nose than you doesn't actually mean that he's a bad guy, no matter how much of a racist prick you may be.
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Isn't half of it his signature?
I believe you were answered quite thoroughly by cusco, however you still haven't addressed my second concern. Al Qaeda is now a far bigger, more organized and frankly formidable threat than it was. After all, they've survived you for 13 years. Do you really think it's never going to come back and bite you in the face?
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The thing about scientists like me is we don't have to take your word for it. It's the only reason science works.
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So neo-nazis are less likely to be stopped, you mean?
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Either laugh or don't post. No-one likes a dick.
Apparently being anti-Steam is grounds for insults, even if there's basis. I shall learn to keep my mouth shut.
looks like the same dudes 4chan pinned.
hope these fuckers are brought to justice and put down like the dogs they are.
they're different dudes than he one's published by 4chan / post.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
I like the 'if guilty' part. I am sure the prisoners in Guantanamo Bay also like that and would welcome it.
I know off topic, but not completely.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
Orthodox Christianity had strong support from the government and KGB in the later Soviet years - from 70-s onward almost every high-level church hierarch had also been an KGB officer. On the other hand, Soviet ideology was rapidly becoming a religion on its own - with the cult of undead Lenin-Osiris, heavy symbolism and obscure irrational ideology. It was so backward and unnatural that it never took off for real, but it was enforced on every citizen of USSR from the very birth (and I'm speaking literally here - red stars and Lenin's portraits were mandatory in all clinics, nurseries and kindergartens. When powers-to-be realized that it doesn't work, they fell back to (secretly) supporting Christianity. By the 1990 it was full-on religious restoration throughout all of Union - and Party was behind it, no doubt. The rest is history.
Absence of proof != proof of absence.
I'm not saying that every Muslim is bad, but the fact is, most of those bombings are connected with Islam ...
And most of the drone strikes on muslims are connected with us.
It shouldn't take a rocket science to see that the "war on terror" is going to generate a backlash. Doesn't matter at all "who started it" or "who is in the right". All that matters at this point is that as long as one side pokes the other side with a stick the other side will poke back.
A war on terror can't be won, it will only generate a perpetual backlash. The only winning move is not to play.
Radio is reporting some commotion outside Boston, with "Fire in the hole!", a concussion, hollering for someone to get on the ground with hands behind their head, requests for reporters to turn off their cell phones.
Also a professor shot on MIT campus; who knows whether it's related.
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
However, I have a water-tight alibi - I was 16,000km away and in bed at the time.
Yeah, that's what I always tell the judge too.
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
Mebbi they released the pics most likely to produce an identification, not the most incriminating ones.
Oh, BTW, nothing says "luser" like peddling a conspiracy theory.
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
The rest being done by the other side of the same collectivist coin, the radical leftists, such as this guy: http://cdn.abclocal.go.com/images/wpvi/cms_exf_2007/news/local/032913_image_Sunil_Tripathi_FB_1.jpg
Negative moral value of force outweighs the positive value of good intentions.
Both suspects wear baseball caps. They are baseball fans. Suspect and round up all the baseball players and fans you know. Clearly it is a conspiracy by baseball fans against the rest of us!
Assume you catch these guys, and find the owner of the fertiliser business which blew up in Waco to be negligent.
Which is most likely to receive severe punishment, and which is more deserving of severe punishment?
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So it -has- to be a sexually charged soap opera with impossible physics, speculative technology, and outrageous levels of no-expense-spared investigation on every case in order for people to watch it?
-shrug- maybe. I stopped watching CSI early on... i really liked the first few episodes, thought they were doing a modern sherlock holmes with science ... still not entirely realistic but emminently watchable television.
And then it rapidly turned into the aforementioned schlock.
Since you had the courage to post with your account, I decided not to down-mod you, but ask you a counter-question: How?
Under which guideline would you have down-modded his post? I don't have points myself right now, but I don't remember there being an option in the dropdown for "Unlikeable."
Hysterical bigotry with no logic or appeal to facts generally comes under the heading of "flamebait" if it's intended seriously and "troll" if it's just done to cause a reaction.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
"Support, through dollars"... you mean bribe?
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They aren't stupid, they understand that terrorism works. E.g. in Israel we had a peace process that was going relatively well between the left wing and the PLO. So the Hamas started blowing up buses and the peace process died. Hamas which was marginalized before used that collapse (and rise of Israeli right wing that resulted) to take over Gaza strip after the fact.
So terrorists can come from a very weak position and manipulate public opinion very effectively. E.g. before 911 no one cared much about Bin Laden, now the "arab spring" is turning into religious governments who shape more after Iran than after the USA... As engineers they are remarkably effective at manipulating us (or really the dumber element of our society)
I've seen reeking, racking & wrecking but that's a new one on me.
What was it Einstein said about the universe being infinite?
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Clearly rubbish, or they'd never get started.
Read about Constantine I.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Whatever happens, we have got
The atom bomb, and they have not.
Well, not a lot...
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
If idiotic racism is your answer, you're phrasing the question wrong.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Why all the hate on Muslims? I believe all religion is evil.
Slashdot has become a place where all the anti-American-freaks congregate
All messages warning against the dangerous Islamic religion were modded down, and on the other hand, all messages accusing America of aggression (and Pro-Islam) got modded up and up
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/19/17817173-one-boston-marathon-suspect-dead-another-still-on-run-officials-say?lite
Those of you hating the USA so much do not need to read the above link
Those of you still believing in the US of A, click on the above link and read it for yourself
The Boston bombers are foreign born, and they all had previous military training OUTSIDE OF AMERICA
The Boston Marathon Bombing and the subsequent shootout in MIT is yet another sign that America is under constant attack from the Muslims
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
Yes, but please for the love of $deity don't let them program search databases. I cringe every time when they do a fingerprint or photo match on CSI. Instead of looking for the file, it painstakingly takes every picture from the database, displays it, finds out that it doesn't match... rinse repeat.
I hate to break it to you, but CSI is not a gritty documentary series. It's...how can I put this? Well, it's ALL MADE UP. That's right, they're showing a load of lies, all in the name of "entertainment". Bastards.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
It doesn't really make for great drama.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
I would like to make a partial counter.
When christianity was around 1500 years old you had the spainish inquisition, Slavery was considered good, Witch trials that killed by with toture and the christians brought a whole continent into slavery (South America).
Guess How old Islam is right now?
It is only two data points, but religions that demand you must believe and all others are to be killed is the problem. All three religions based on the teachings of Moses have this problem.
i thought once I was found, but it was only a dream.
I know this comment is gonna be modded down to the basement, I do not care
Comments shouldn't be voted down because people disagree with them. This happens to be your opinion, misguided as it is. Islam happens to be a fairly LARGE religion. Most of problems you see come from a select few people.
Kind of like how the Westbro Baptists claim to be Christian. Should he ban ALL of Christianity because of a small group?
Not to mention a lot of violence happens for other reasons.
I think they will start controlling sells of crock pots.
a) Facebook photo's are (or should be) private especially to the government
Unless they are public.
That's like you posting a bunch of your photos on the cork board down at the public library, then saying the government can't look at them.
And you have to restrain yourself to the United States to get that figure. While I certainly don't sympathize with neo-nazis or their ilk (and I doubt they'd approve of my non-white girlfriend), your cherry picking of facts is disingenuous. Worldwide the overwhelming majority of bombings are performed by Muslims and it's only by parsing the data in a certain way that you can make it look any other way.
just give everyone an IQ test upon entry. set the threshold so very few religious people get in.
Millions of Americans will be prevented from travelling abroad...
Singe capitulard mangeur de fromage
They didn't use crock pots but pressure cookers to build their bombs, but given the stupidity of our government they would probably ban crock pots as well.
Time to offend someone
The conspiracy theory on false flag I've seen is that the pressure cookers were loaded with black powder, so the move was to get black powder outlawed so people can't make their own ammunition legally. Just sayin...
Korma: Good
a Slashdotter claiming a female bed partner? Now we know you're hiding something behind those lies.
I don't think a blow up doll is much of a witness anyway.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
My point is that in the big scheme of things we have not injured the Muslim world at all, without us (the West) they would be far poorer, far more backwards and pretty much worse off in every single way.
Except for those that we killed. And except for those have been killed by the dictators we are financing. And except for those we kidnap and torture.
The main mistake you are making however is where you draw the line: it's not the "Muslims" on the one side and the "West" on the other side. Both groups contain a large group of psychopaths who really like to kill "other" people and do it on a regular basis. You should draw the line between the psychopaths and their victims. But instead you side with one group of psychopaths and rationalize that by claiming that "our" psychopaths are not as bad as "their" psychopaths. The relevant question here is: Who killed more people, Osama or Obama? Probably Obama. Bush or Hussein? Probably Hussein. And even if Obama were only 1 milliHitler and Osama were 2 milliHitler you still are morally bankrupt for siding with the "lesser evil" of both.
And this is why people are scared of Google Glass--it'll make an already existing problem worse; that is, the government will outsource its spying to the people.
If I see someone running away after mugging another person, am I acting as a "government spy" if I report it to the police and subsequently give evidence against them in court?
You paranoid rightwingers are so obsessed with the government being the fount of all evil that you lose touch with reality.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Take a look at his nose and the black bushy hair. Light skinned, but definitely middle-eastern decent of some sort.
If he's a decent sort, he's unlikely to be a cold-blooded terrorist.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Bonus ;)
This is the sig that says NI (again)
But they did make the bombs out of recycled Nintendos :)
Build a Man a Fire, and He'll Be Warm for a Day. Set a Man on Fire, and He'll Be Warm for the Rest of His Life.
It was the people who practice Christianity who bombed a government building in Oslo (killing 8) and then went on a killing spree on a youth camp (killing 69).
See... I can do it too.
I see why you do it. It is fun to let the actions of a few wackos condemn a whole religion.
Also, if you hate freedom of religion so much, why don't you move to Saudi Arabia, Iran, or Egypt (or China)?
are famous for bombings.
Dead, right along with any possible future restraints upon ubiquitous government CCTV surveillance.
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.
Ernest Hemingway
Wrong.
But you know that if the government wants access to them, they'll secretly make a request to both public and private data. And even so, the government would have to write a crawler specifically to target public pictures which may be against Facebook's TOS and the government is trying to legalize TOS'es so they are unlawful to break.
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"FBI Seeks Help In Finding Pair"
Talk amongst yourselves, you can make up your own jokes here.
... they would probably ban crock pots as well.
I'll give you my Crock*Pot (R) when you pry it from my cold, dead hands!
That is all.
While this wouldn't do anything to stop the violence, it would certainly make my world a happier place!
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
To the GP...
Or the more recent movie-theatre shooting, or the various school shootings, etc.
I suppose it's "difference" because those evil [insert religion/race] use bombs instead of going on shooting rampages?
The only difference I see between a shooting spree and a bomb is that shooters seem to get ID'ed and caught/shot a bit sooner than bombers.
Indeed. While those little smartphone cameras still aren't a match for a real camera in many cases, in decent light they still beat the pants off CCTV cameras etc.
In the era when pretty much everyone has a 5+ megapixel camera or even 1080p video-camera in their pocket - with no worries about wasting film on random shots - on-site photography is going to be very valuable in situations like this.
What I feel people fail to see is that this is not about muslims or christians or whatever, it is about people who hate other people. Plain and simple.
You will find these kinds of people everywhere.
Though there is one difference between some of the groups.
Some hate you for who or what you are.
Some hate you for what 'you' did to 'them'.
Some might even be a mixture of both.
The only difference is that in some countries, the crazies don't have that much power. Sadly, we are far to often at fault that the crazies were able to come to power and/or hold that power.
But remember, there were times when that was different and we cannot, in all honesty, be 'confused' how 'people treat others over there'.
I mean does anyone think Afghanistan would look like it is today if the Taliban were not in charge (simplification, but go with it for now).
Does anyone think that after WW2, after the Nazis were 'removed' (you'd be surprised how few really were removed), the Germans were somehow magically cured?
The civil war in the US, while it 'freed' the slaves, did not make them equal, nor did it change the people.
If you live in a country were the crazies have the power, the entire country will be run that way. Not because everyone is crazy, but because if you do not play along, you will be next on the list.
Only the fewest of the few have the balls to stand up to them.
And no, you are not one of them!
We can find such hate in all countries, in all walks of life and in all people.
Finally, this is not only about hate, it is also about power. Regardless of most intentions, once power has been gained, all the best intentions fly out the window, because they stand in the way of keeping that power.
So if we think about what religions or social mindsets do, it is often the crazies that try to hide their hate and vileness by using their religion or their social mindsets as excuses. I mean right-wing dictatorships and left-wing dictatorship are both dictatorships, they just use a different carrot.
Please don't group Glenn Beck with the rest of us. There are plenty of Mormons who find him obnoxious and crazy.
Mind you the average person in the US is fat.
Compare CSI with one of the reality cop shows.
No, I get that "reality" shows a la COPS is equally unwatchable.
But there is a middle ground, the original Law & Order was really great TV while being grounded in reality. The first season of CSI was also really quite good. And there have been other good police shows...
Hell even Castle is more watchable then what the CSI franchise has become, in large part because it's got the sense to do enough self-parody that the audience isn't expected to take it too seriously.
As a popular religion, it did.
Of course, church as an institution existed in some form, and some people (mostly old and poorly educated ones) believed in Christian mythology, but the effect of Christian beliefs (as opposed to the effect of pre-existing Christian-related art and literature recognized as fiction) on the culture was literally nil.
Orthodox Christianity "revival" in post-USSR Russia was caused entirely by the effort of new government and its ideology, it has no roots in any popular support, and could have been any religion other than Orthodox Christianity if that religion served the purpose of new government better. It just happened that promoting supposedly "original" religion of Russia was the safest way to placate ultra-Nationalists that threatened to take over the political process like their local versions did in all other former USSR members (and then got kicked out in some of those, Belarus being most clear example).
Contrary to the popular belief, there indeed is no God.
*gasp* You don't say! And here I was sitting, wondering why they didn't "enhance" the pics of those Boston bombers when they could so easily get a clear shot of the murderer from the reflection in someone's eye in some CSI'ish show!
All jokes aside, that's actually a big problem called the CSI effect. While at one hand it may be a positive development to see juries demand more "physical proof", the portrayal of forensics in such shows being ... let's say a bit lenient for the sake of a better story also means that juries tend to expect proof where none could be possibly achieved.
In the beginning I did actually enjoy CSI because its portrayal of forensics was quite accurate for a TV show. But there are unfortunately only so many thing you can show before they get boring (quite frankly, IT forensics IS boring from an outsider's point of view, it sure is no spectator sport). After a month of work it tends to become routine, because you just get to see the same crap over and over and over. Once in a blue moon you stumble upon something more interesting, but it sure isn't enough material by any stretch to fill a weekly show with it. I guess they took care of pretty much the whole library of "freak cases" that ever existed in the history of forensics within the first season.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I agree with you. Those guys in Gitmo should either be released if innocent or shot if guilty. That bullshit has gone on way too long.