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Edward Snowden Leaves Hong Kong
hazeii writes "Ed Snowden, the U.S. whistleblower responsible for exposing the degree to which the U.S. watches its own citizens (as well as the rest of the world) is reported as having left Hong Kong for Moscow. According to the South China Morning Post, he is on a commercial flight to Russia but intriguingly it seems this is not his final destination. It's not clear whether this move is in response to the U.S. request to extradite him."
What has the world come to?
The BBC and the New York Times also have articles reporting the Edward Snowden has left Hong Kong on a flight to Moscow.
By the time this was posted on slashdot, he hadn't just left Hong Kong, but landed in Moscow.
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(NT) good journey and good luck.
China's interests are to tied to maintaining their farce of good relations with our government. They would have interceded and made HK turn him over eventually. Putin's ego on the other hand will triumph over any desire to not raise tensions (which he may actually want anyway); this will offer Snowden much better protection.
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He just landed in Moscow.
It takes about same time for news to appear on Slashdot as it takes to fly from Hong Kong to Moscow.
I hope for Snowden that the NSA doesn't read slashdot.
In Soviet China, Moscow extradites you
Why UNIX?
What I heard on NPR this morning is that Snowden's rumored travel involves Moscow to Cuba and then Cuba to Caracas, Venezuela according to an unidentified Aeroflot official.
That, of course, could all be misdirection.
My work here is dung.
According to Interfax.
God speed. Enjoy the hot Venezuelan women. There is no justice for you in the US...not anymore.
Hope this treasonous coward gets extradited and spends the rest of his miserable life in jail. I'm not a fan of the NSA doing all of this, but anyone who didn't know it's been going on is a moron.
I rarely read replies, it's my opinion and if you thought about your opinion a little more, I'm OK with that.
He's suely lost the trail by announcing Iceland, Cuba and Venezuela as destinations, as good as gone.
Gently reply
By going to Moscow he would seem to risk interrogation by the KGB (or whatever the agency is currently called).
Given that his espionage charges and leaning on HK for extradition was all over the US news, why has there been very little popular outrage outside of tiny niche communities like slashdot? Why are there no mass cries to try the senators responsible for the spying program on charges of treason? Where are the million-man marches against the surveillance society that it is no longer possible to pretend we haven't become?
We used to hold ourselves as better than the East Germans and the Soviets for just this reason: we lived in a society free from mass government surveillance, with only special cases allowed based on search warrants obtained with reasonable suspicion. We did not surveil our population as a whole. Seriously, we will let ourselves fall into that place with barely a peep?
What happened to us?
Run.
The damage has been done. Chasing him down and prosecuting him is just a waste of taxpayer resources, and likely won't prevent any more leaks anyway. The self-aggrandizing NSA hypocrites need to salvage their egos and move on.
When are we going to kill this douche bag?
How strange it is that Russia has become the bastion of human rights and the right to expose corruption. 30 years ago you'd be laughed out of a room if you'd suggest that 30 years later people would be fleeing the US for Russia and China for political freedoms and economic freedoms.
Times have sure changed.
Taxation is legalized theft, no more, no less.
Then he's grounded.
From NYT:
"Russia’s Interfax news service, citing a “person familiar with the situation,” reported that Mr. Snowden would remain in transit at an airport in Moscow for “several hours” pending an onward flight to Cuba, and would therefore not formally cross the Russian border or be subject to detention."
He'll probably get a job, a hot blond Russian or Ukrainian girlfriend, and be living like a king. He's lauded as a hero by the American people and a hero by the Russian government.
Makes me wish I dropped out of college and got a high paying cushy job with the NSA contractor!
Life isn't fair.
You should learn the meaning of the term. He didn't expose criminal activity, waste, fraud, or abuse. He abused the trust his country put in him and his security clearance to take classified documents concerning secret programs which were authorized by and deemed legal by Congress and the court system, went to a foreign country with those documents, provided those documents and interviews about secret programs to a newspaper of the third country, and in the process damaged the national security, political capital, and reputation of his country. He has purposefully tried to damage the relationship and balance of power between his country and the country he fled to, a country known for launching cyber-attacks on his country, for his own gain. He stated that his country "was worth dying for", yet fled his country, provided the information to a news outlet in a foreign nation, and is seeking protection from other competitor nations to avoid prosecution.
His actions are not of a whistleblowing patriot. They are the actions of an arrogant, amateur, traitorous, free-lance espionage agent.
There is no "-1 offended" or "-1 you don't agree with me" mod options for a reason.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/pardon-edward-snowden/Dp03vGYD
Full text below (copied from page source)
US whistle-blower Edward Snowden has left Hong Kong and is on a commercial flight to Russia, but Moscow will not be his final destination.
The fugitive whistle-blower boarded the Moscow-bound flight earlier on Sunday and would continue on to another country, possibly Cuba then Venezuela, according to media reports.
The Hong Kong government said in a statement that Snowden had departed "on his own accord for a third country through a lawful and normal channel".
The 30-year-old left from Chep Lap Kok airport on a flight scheduled for 10.55am. He is believed to have boarded Aeroflot Flight SU213, which landed at Moscow’s Sheremetyevo International Airport at 5.03pm local time, according to the airport's website.
"Snowden left Hong Kong on his own will," a government source told the Post, adding that the Hong Kong government had not provided Snowden with any assistance or protection during his whole stay. The source dispelled media claims that the government had provided him a "safe house".
It was understood that Snowden's departure was a relief to the Hong Kong government, which had been making all legal preparation to deal with new developments regarding the case.
Regina Ip, former secretary of security, told the New York Times : "I think [the US] government will be upset for a while, but I hope that they will shrug it off, because our government acted in accordance with the law. Our government officials can breathe a sigh of relief."
Final destination?
Russian news agencies Interfax and Itar-Tass reported Snowden is booked on a flight from Moscow to Cuba on Monday. Itar-Tass said Snowden would fly from Havana to Caracas, Venezuela.
“A passenger under that name will arrive in Moscow from Hong Kong today on flight SU213, and tomorrow, on June 24, he will fly to Havana on flight SU150,” the state news agency ITAR-Tass quoted a source at the airline as saying. “Also tomorrow, he will go to Caracas from Havana on a local flight.”
There is no legal basis to restrict Mr Snowden from leaving Hong Kong
--Hong Kong government
'No legal basis'
The Hong Kong government said it had notified the US government about Snowden's departure.
Snowden is wanted by the US government after he disclosed classified documents detailing the clandestine cybersnooping programmes carried out by Washington’s National Security Agency.
The US government on June 14 filed espionage and theft charges against the former CIA technician, and the US National Security Council confirmed that it had put in a formal extradition request to the Hong Kong government.
The Hong Kong government said on Sunday that it had requested more information so the Department of Justice could consider whether to go forward with the US extradition request.
“As the HKSAR government has yet to have sufficient information to process the request for provisional warrant of arrest, there is no legal basis to restrict Mr Snowden from leaving Hong Kong,” the statement said.
Later on Sunday, China's foreign ministry said: "The central government always respects the HKSAR government's handling of affairs in accordance with law."
WikiLeaks' role
WikiLeaks, whistle-blowing website founded by Julian Assange, said on Twitter it had helped Snowdwn secure political asylum in a “democratic country”. It also said it had arr
Will be a bit off-topic but it is somewhat related to your questions and Snowden gave us a chance to fix this.
I've ran across this article and another one. Both in quite a reputable magazine that is around for 100+ years. While these are theoretical ones, I'm stunned by what they wrote. Theorizing whenever it is possible to dronebomb Snowden without even acknowledging how lawless and cruel such murder would be (yes, murdering, assasination - not just killing!). I'm even more stunned with comments below commenting technicalities of such act without any regard to criminality of such act. Face it folks ! You've been brainwashed to the point where your moral consciouness does not work anymore - you just take such crap for granted from your psychopatic, corporate media and then wonder why there is no outcry ?!? I haven't seen such levels of apathy anywhere in the world ! Add result of latest polls into equation (majority americans don't mind being spied by NSA) and see how sad state of affairs is. Your corporate government can manipulate you into anything it wants ! That huge data cache collected and stored in the NSA is propably the crucial tool it uses to achieve this goal. They can strip you out of everything (see housing bubble, bailouts, healthcare system bankrupting and killing people, fraudclosure, mass-jailing people for profit etc. etc.) and there is virtually no backlash from american citizenry. How this happens is just beyond my perception. I don't know what kind of science does it take to borg 330 millions people into submission, but I suspect it might be as advanced as science behind putting Curiosity rover onto Mars.
He's ultimately screwed if he stays in Russia, which is why he's in transit to Cuba. If you ask me, he burned waaay too many bridges and the very people who are supposed to protect him are seeking to destroy him because of some deep dark secret our country holds. Imagine that!
Two words, my friend. "Secret laws".
any mention of bilderburgers and i immediately know whom you are... a complete idiot nutjob working for that otehr group thats trying to take over.
WHY? cause the last prime minister we had before this was a bilderburger and ya know what , he was paying down the national debt so well that if we still had him it might in fact be around 200 billion , not the 700 billion that hamstrings our way of life and prosperity.
YA a bilderburger helping his nation imagine that....seems to me like myself they have said ok screw you ....we won't help and see where it takes you.
He's just going on a vacation. I've heard Russia hosts space tourism and he's just gonna go visit the ISS for a bit.
You are being MICROattacked, from various angles, in a SOFT manner.
Interesting speech by President Clinton in Edinburgh this week.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/21/clinton-nsa-scotland-speech
I would expect a speech from a past US President who was also smart enough to be a Rhodes Scholar, to carry some weight.
However, I somehow think that nuance and thoughtfulness expressed in that short article will probably not jibe with the prejudices of the Slashdot peanut gallery.
I still think that Snowdon, like many commenters here, is a twit. Snowdon in particular is a dangerous twit because he's not qualified to judge the impact of the secrets he's leaking being made public. I hope for his sake that he doesn't end up with blood on his hands.
What happened to them saying he didn't have any secrets, he didn't have access, and that they weren't doing that crap, they were saying it like a week ago.
Did he release the docs he had? How come I feel like there is something missing from then & now?
Be seeing you...
Very interesting! Looks like Cold War II (or the continuation of the Cold War) has begun.
https://twitter.com/RicardoPatinoEC/status/348841761684197378
I deny that I have not avoided attaining the opposite of that which I do not want.
Does not sound to far off...
Its well known that Obama is lost with out his telepromter. And I think its also a good bet that Putin could beat O in an arm wrestling match.
The only thing off about the quote is maybe a poor translation.
He can spend up to 3 months in Cuba on a tourist visa. Obviously the Cuban government isn't going to extradite him and Cubana won't be sending the US any flight lists. This point is perhaps the most important. Cuba is a place where Snowdon can break the paper trail. He can stay anywhere from 1 to 90 days there and then procede to his final destination.
The only risk to this strategy is that the Cuban government may want to ask him a few questions about the NSA before allowing him to leave. Assuming the Cuban government allows him to leave I would guess Ecuador. It's obviously willing to protect whistle blowers and Assange could have discussed the matter directly with officials at his embassy. According to this list Ecuador does have an extradition treaty with the US though, but maybe it is just for murders and other violent crime. I think Ecuador and Venezuela are both nice places to live. So either way he's good as long as he has money. Hopefully he moved all of his funds out of US banks before blowing his whistle. Otherwise freezing his funds will be one of the first things the US LEO thugs will do.
Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.
I took a speech class in high school. Take that for what its worth.
We were taught to use note cards, and the note cards were only for writing an outline of your speech with maybe a reminder to touch on some important points as you progress in your speech. Anyone who tried to write their entire speech into the note cards had significant points deducted from their grade.
The purpose of a teleprompter is not to outline a person's monologue, it is to spoon-feed it to them verbatim. Go watch a nightly newscast if you want to see an example of teleprompters in action.
For as bad as Bush's diction skills were, coupled with his extremely limited vocabulary, he managed to give hundreds of speeches without a teleprompter.
He swore to perform his duties according to the constitution of the United States. He was asked by his superiors to choose between (a) violating his oath to the constitution of the United States, and (b) violating the oath he swore to his superiors.
If a country is asking you to make that choice, that country deserves to have its "political capital" and "reputation" damaged.
"Putin to hand over Snowden in exchange for Kraft's forgiveness"
Protests are about getting attention. Many of them are theatre. That does not change the issues that they are drawing attention to.
Mr. Obama will piss blood every day that news about Mr. Snowden is broadcast.
Perhaps Mr. Obama will issue a secret executive order forbidding the U.S.A. national news agencies from broadcasting news about Mr. Snowden on threat of penalty of death.
Here is a typical definition of the word:
whistleblower: an informant who exposes wrongdoing within an organization in the hope of stopping it.
As you can see, the law does not enter into the definition. How about this hypothetical situation? What if you discovered that not only is the government assassinating dissidents, but also discover the existence of a secret section of the constitution that overrides the rest of it, and gives the government unlimited power to disappear dissidents while making it illegal to reveal the existence of said section of the constitution to the public?
In this case, the government is not doing anything illegal, and you would be breaking the law by revealing it. I think you would still agree that revealing this to the public would be moral, and that doing so would be whistleblowing. Of course, the real situation in the current case is less extreme than that, but what Snowden did was still moral. He did not damage national security, and even if he had, national security is overrated. Political capital was only damaged to the extent that this was both unknown and unpopular with the population. I.e. the only way this could have damaged political capital is if it were moral to release it.
If he had only kept it to Prism...
He's not in this to preserve our privacy. He's too busy shooting his mouth off about unrelated stuff that he may or may not have even had an involvement in. End result, put foot in mouth and kill everyone's credibility.
"The request was confirmed by Ecuador's foreign minister on Twitter." Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23023576
Iran, Afghanistan, Russia, China, North Korea... the list goes on... and none of them are building dozens of massive data centers for the sole purpose of spying wholesale on its own citizens.
How can you possibly know that what you saying is true or false?
Not that you need the high-tech data center if your people have no contact with the outside world.
You won't find people in North Korea checking Facebook or Twitter for the latest updates on the tense situation created by its leader, Kim Jong Un. That's because the nation of 24 million is largely shut out from the Internet. Few outside the government and military have ever been online.
''In North Korea, we don't see evidence that much of anyone has access,'' Jim Cowie, chief technology officer and co-founder of Renesys, which does global Internet measurement, told NBC News.
''You don't see banks or factories or universities attached to the Internet,'' he said. ''In North Korea, Internet is extremely limited. They don't have those resources. There's basically one service provider and that is state-controlled.''
The country's Internet access physically comes through from China, he said, supplemented ''sometimes'' by a satellite provider.
So much so that North Korea was named one of 12 ''enemies'' of the Internet last year by Reporters Without Borders, which monitors censorship globally. ''We still consider North Korea as an enemy of the Internet,'' Delphine Hagland, the group's director in Washington, D.C., told NBC News. Other countries making that list included China, Iran, Syria and Vietnam.
There aren't many other sources of information available in North Korea, which according to the CIA World Factbook, has ''no independent media,'' with ''radios and TVs ... pre-tuned to government stations.''
North Korea's Internet? What Internet? For most, online access doesn't exist
And "Secret Judges" Seem a lot scarier. I thought the whole point of holding a "court" was publicly finding the truth.
The fact that people whose job it is to "know history" and to "know better" set these up is just icing on a very scary cake.
If he goes to Russia, he might get snowed in.
Table-ized A.I.
And the Ecuador Consulate in Moscow has just cleared out a storage room. Coincidence?
Anybody want a peanut?
If you subscribe to the generational theory of Strauss-Howe, it might be because the generation that would employ the "take to the streets" tactic hasn't quite been born yet. The previous iteration of that (Baby Boomers) is aging. The generations currently in power or rising to power are likely to pursue less ostentatious (but no less effective) strategies.
Of course theories like this may be complete bunk; but it's an interesting starting point. Generation X and forward are sick and tired of hearing their parents and grandparents reminisce about how they marched at Berkeley, and are jaded because all of that (in their minds) didn't really accomplish very much even if they did manage to stop Vietnam and end the draft. What have you done for us lately? There's more than one way to skin a cat. Either that, or it has to get bad, really rotten... just in time for the next generation of marchers to storm the gates.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
At the same time, there are degrees of evil. IMO, a central government of ANY type is inherently evil. Yet I still won't advocate the philosophy of the anarchists out there, simply because I think their idea of a "better way" to do things vastly underestimates the number of people on this planet who don't think logically or act in what is actually their own best interest in the long-run (opting instead for short-term gains at the expense of others around them). Human nature is what, ultimately, makes central government a necessary evil.
The reason I rather like the original idea of a Democratic Republic the United States' founders envisioned was the attempt to place checks and balances on power while giving the general public a meaningful voice. The Constitution and Bill of Rights spelled out a recognition of *innate* human rights that no government could grant or take away. All in all, that makes it a far less evil system than most of the competing forms of government in use.
Unfortunately, I think we're seeing exactly what some of the Founders cautioned ..... that it might not be able to last more than 200 years or so, as people became complacent with the prosperity enjoyed under the system and as corrupt individuals finally opened up enough loopholes to circumvent the checks and balances, and begin breaking down the system for personal gain.
Honestly, the entire concept of a country like the USA operating secret spy agencies is one I've never really been comfortable with. I think such a thing goes against everything we claim to stand for. (If our nation is so prosperous and successful on its own merits, why the need to go on the offense, trying to steal secrets from other nations while professing to care about such concepts as privacy or individual freedoms?) I can see running a defensive, anti-spying group -- but nothing else, except perhaps in time of war. (And unfortunately, even war itself has become a "loophole" for our government. Seems we like to stay in a perpetual state of declared war on somebody, so politicians are free to do questionable things under the claim of the "National Security" need.)
I already see the White House big-shots trying to spin Snowden as a fraud, since he's running away for refuge in nations that don't believe in any of what he claims to be fighting for.
But hey, he's just being practical at this point. As he said himself in an interview, when a major world power decides they're out to get you, they'll eventually succeed if they try hard enough. That doesn't mean it's smart to remain a sitting duck and make yourself easy to snuff out -- which is exactly what staying in the U.S. would do.
It doesn't really matter where in the world he chooses to travel. The media spin, the lies, and the propaganda won't change or come at a reduced rate. The irony of him being temporarily safer in nations like China than here just further illustrates how deep the problem goes -- and buys Snowden some more time to argue for his side of the case in the press.
I mean, how can our country's leaders even keep a straight face when declaring Snowden should come back here voluntarily to get his day in court? Everything they've done regarding the spying is handled by a SECRET court -- so there's no way he'd have a fair trial. Essentially, they'd screw him over just as badly as nations like China do all the time to the people opposing their own governments.
To gain U.S.A. Federal employment when a security access and clearance are required the applicant MUST be a by birth citizen of the U.S.A.
After initial background investigations, if cleared provisionally, an applicant takes an Oath To The Federal Government Of The Unites States Of America.
This is required.
By acknowledging and taking an Oath To The Federal Government does the 'employee' become a citizen of the Federal Government and thus loose citizenship to the U.S.A. ?
I.E. An Oath To The Federal Government is not an Oath To U.S.A. !
I.E. The Federal Government is a 'country within a country' and not bound by the laws of the U.S.A. in particular the U.S.A. Constitution, nor the laws of any State of the U.S.A. nor local laws and heaven forbid not bound by any international law !
An Inconvenient Truth Discovered !
This explains the predator psychological behaviors of Obama and his employees of his Fascist Regime.
The Citizens Of The Federal Government Are NOT Citizens Of The U.S.A. !
I am not one who thinks this guy is a hero. While I do agree for whistle blowing, why do it in this way? What exactly are you saying to the American public when you blow your whistle and potentially lug around very sensitive national secrets threatening to release them and show them FIRSTLY to countries which at one point or another were an enemy of the USA?
To me, those are nothing heroic. Considering I have had plenty of my family members in the past and present generations whom have given their time and in some cases their lives for our country, I do not think it is right in the least to be releasing these national secrets in this fashion at all. Much less running to countries to avoid the United States by going to 'enemy states' and places that potentially actively undermine the US.
He is a traitor in my opinion, and NOT because he blew the whistle, BUT because the way HE'S RUNNING TO 'ENEMY' STATES ACTIVELY. Why not blow the whistle with some of the lawmakers/senators/groups within the US and let the heads roll from within, this is information that was large enough that all the news networks would of caught on to like a hawk on prey. I think that would of gathered him enough protection to be safe while blowing the whistle. But this... running to Hong Kong, then to Russia, and now some South American country... all while hiding behind the briefcase of data. How is this heroic?
Try for a second to stop rooting for the guy just because he blew a whistle but also pause and look at the whole picture and what he has done ever since doing so and what he's doing now. Do you agree with running away and especially taking these routes and actions? Is that all automagically okay to do because he blew a whistle? There still needs to be accountability for the whistle blower and if he's patriotic that means him standing his ground in his own country! Is it instantly okay to say okay since I blew the whistle on a big government program that other countries are most likely doing as well, to say okay enemy of the US here is all the stuff we are doing that is bad, patch all your security holes, and look badly on the US. Those guys will just say thanks, patch the holes, and continue their own covert operations. I'm sorry but there is a reason Russia has the whole mutually assured destruction program with us still to this day, there we don't trust either enough to let our guard down. This gives them a 1-up, and it get's this guy, all your praise? That just comes off as you guys not having your own country in mind? What if we went to war with China and Russian, where would you stand then? You have to pick a side, he has apparently picked his, and it's not on our side judging by his actions.
His actions, would probably get him shot with the current countries he defected to today if he was one of their citizens wronging them!
I just can't respectfully agree that he is a hero of any kind, I'm sorry but to me his actions prove quite otherwise what he is. I hope he gets caught, and whatever the punishment is because of his actions, so be it - let it be a military tribunal as this deals with national secrets. Thinking about my family and our future, this guy and his actions can serve to hurt relationships between our country and the world. You think the Chinese and Russian's aren't doing all they can to spy on us? Come on, that's the world we leave in, wherever there is a perceived enemy, there will be spying and espionage. The more important question is I wonder why we don't see whistle blowers exposing stuff like this in those countries? You think programs like this don't exist in those countries? Get your head out of the sand! This guy is trying to make himself out to be a good guy, if so, stop running and face the music in your home country that you would 'die for'. So far I see a lot of running through his actions.
Who's to say that China or Russia, wouldn't say, hand over the briefcase, otherwise we ship your butt back to the USA and keep the briefcase anyway to comb over
No shit. Venezuelan women are the most gorgeous chicks I've ever seen anywhere, and I've traveled in 28 countries. Every girl is raised to become a Miss Universe and most of them would qualify! Not only that, they are smart, funny and extremely nice people! I would not mind to retire there myself...
If we can get Obama to piss and shit a pint of blood each, two pints per day, surely he would die within 10 day !
What a Deal !
The most hated man in the history of Homo Sapiens would be dead by bloody diarrhea and bloody piss ! :)
Its a better fate than Al Capone who died in U.S.A. Federal Prison from butt fucking caused Syphilis !
Hay Obama-Boy, What's your desire ... bloody pissing or Syphilis from you bloody NSA General Keith ?
Government spies on citizens.
A citizen leaks out that government is spying on citizens.
Government charges citizen for spying.
We are all qualified to judge the morality of our and our governments actions, and no-one has a right to assert a monopoly power over your conscience.
Every American abroad should do their due diligence and harbor this patriot.
"Hey, look Julian! I am in a plane!"
"Fuck you, just wait that I get elected and get my out-of-jail card"
The Wise adapts himself to the world. The Fool adapts the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the Fool.
So does anyone in the USA other than the government think he is a criminal?
I suspect not many.
Therefore would that not indicate the government machine neither has the best interests of its citizens at heart, nor truly reflects the will of the people.
It's somewhat ironic the US is called the most democratic country in the world and fights wars in the name of democracy.
I get the impression as an outsider the US govt cares far more about the US government than for the people the US government is supposed to be protecting.
Apparently, his final desitination will be Ecuador. My grave concern is that it will be child's play for Seal Team __ to swoop in and snatch Snowden back to the US (probably Gitmo just to make him even more of an example).
Yes, it will be an international dust-up for a week or two, but then what? Ecuador declares war on the US?
It will just be more proof that the US government can do whatever it wants to whomever it wants, where ever it wants, and no one can stop them.
But yes, even we have fallen into the trap of focusing on the man instead of the cancer he has exposed.
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"Organization Pirate Party Norway claims that spy accused Edward Snowden landed at Oslo Gardermon airport last night." http://www.tnp.no/norway/panorama/3802-pirate-party-norway-snowden-passed-through-norway-to-iceland
"Organization Pirate Party Norway claims that spy accused Edward Snowden landed at Oslo Gardermon airport last night." http://www.tnp.no/norway/panorama/3802-pirate-party-norway-snowden-passed-through-norway-to-iceland Stangely enough rt.com havent reported this yet.
I would not want to be on that plane when it is diverted mid-flight to a secret European prison.
If the press knows he is flying to Moscow, you can be certain that there are certain paid agents who will also be attending that flight.
I've read all the posts on this subject on Slashdot. IMO, if this idiot had stopped at releasing the fact that the NSA is stockpiling phone calls and emails of U.S. citizens, I would probably be understanding of his take on this matter. But, get real! I've known since 2005 that the government has been intercepting these things at will. What's the news in what this guy pushing? Unfortunately, he didn't stop at just exposing an already known fact of government snooping, no!, he went on to release to the Chinese and now probably the Russians, how we are getting intel from them. This, I believe, is where he crossed the line and became a TRAITOR! I could have forgiven his indiscretion of revealing the NSA intelligence as the "frothing at the mouth" rantings of a starry-eyed believer in the idea that the U.S. is pure as the driven snow. However, when he passed the other info to the Sino's and the Russians, he crossed my line of tolerance. I now consider him a traitor to the U.S. and believe anything "bad" that happens to him is justified. What really pisses me off are all these IT people who believe that since he was one of them, he must be pardoned for his transgressions. In my profession as a Pharmacist here in the U.S. you will find very little tolerance of those Pharmacists who succumb to the allure of abusing drugs. I would hope that in the future the IT professionals would show no tolerance to those who violate non-disclosure agreements which they have agreed to and signed. I know that in the professional world that Pharmacists and Doctors have to take an oath which covers non-disclosure of information. Maybe, it's time that IT professionals adopt a similar view. As an example, how would you IT guys like it if your Doctor or Pharmacist decided that it was in the public's interest to know that you were on testosterone therapy or being treated for AIDS contracted in your "unusual" sexual practices? Think about it!!!
My karma is bad. Don't get too close!!!