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Microsoft To Add Ads To Smart Search

Vanderhoth writes "Today, Microsoft said its advertisers will be able to target users not just on Web search results pages but directly inside Windows Smart Search. David Pann, general manager of Microsoft's Search Advertising Group, said in an interview that advertisers don't have to do additional setup to participate. The Smart Search ads will feature a preview of the websites the ad will send people to, as well as click-to-call info and site links, which are additional links under the main result that direct users deeper into a website to the most likely page they might want."

169 comments

  1. Douchebags! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So Microsoft wants to sell advertising on your desktop now??

    Greedy cocksuckers.

    1. Re:Douchebags! by geminidomino · · Score: 0

      What, this is surprising?

      Even before XBone's DRM clusterfuck, they'd guaranteed I wouldn't buy their next-gen crapbox the moment they put ads on my Xbox dashboard...

    2. Re:Douchebags! by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Even before XBone's DRM clusterfuck, they'd guaranteed I wouldn't buy their next-gen crapbox the moment they put ads on my Xbox dashboard...

      Yeah, that was what prompted me to disconnect mine from the network too, and even though they've backed down and require only one-time, I'm still not buying the new one.

      But if Microsoft is going to start doing this stuff in the core OS, they're really going to further piss off their customers. The last thing I want is advertising embedded in the OS -- because you pretty much have to conclude the OS is spying on you.

      In doing this, Windows has more or less become something you simply can't trust, because those advertising hooks will pretty much be into everything.

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    3. Re:Douchebags! by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      I know MS doesn't like Linux, but surely it couldn't hurt to atleast learn from it's mistakes.

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    4. Re:Douchebags! by Synerg1y · · Score: 1

      As far as I know they're still in there, so its more like MS is following Ubuntu's lead on this approach.

    5. Re:Douchebags! by geminidomino · · Score: 5, Funny

      Learn from them? They seem intent on duplicating them, but with even sloppier implementation. That's where the whole "tablet UI on the desktop" trend of idiocy started, too.

      Maybe I'm just coming of "get off my lawn" age, but it's getting rather depressing, just how hard it is to avoid this sort of fuckwittery these days...

    6. Re: Douchebags! by techneeks · · Score: 0

      have you heard about M$ workin' with the NSA??

    7. Re:Douchebags! by Wookact · · Score: 0

      I think I am becoming convinced that Ubuntu is going with all of these crazy ideas that MS invariable follows solely to bring about the Year of the desktop Linux.

    8. Re:Douchebags! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, everyone is greedy. If they weren't we wouldn't have computers, much less the other stuff that comes with it.
      People just don't work or create for free. There is always something, down to ego stroking.

      Now, the problem with Internet Advertising is Stimulus Satiation. After a while, you brain just turns it off, it gets filtered down to a mild annoyance. In extreme cases, it creates a negative "not buying that evil thing at any cost" perception in the prospective customer.

      People are not "stupid," they may be ignorant and neurotic, but not stupid in the layman's perception.

      If it is done really badly, and Microsoft is famous for doing things really badly, it will financially hurt them. Then, after the damage has been done, and it is too late to fix it, they will stop.

    9. Re:Douchebags! by DragonWriter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The difference between MS and Ubuntu here is that:
      1) MS expects me to pay money for a license and then pay again by being subject to ads, and
      2) Ubuntu gives me the OS for free, and lets me turn off the ads (or, even better, just install Kubuntu, which doesn't have the ads and works better.)

    10. Re:Douchebags! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which did indeed upset many *buntu users and prompted them to migrate away from Canonical projects to Debian, Mint, #!, etc. I myself left Xubuntu for Debian, though that was just the last of several straws.

      Granted, it's easier to switch a Linux distro, but what's your point?

    11. Re:Douchebags! by Synerg1y · · Score: 1

      Just saying, MS isn't the first one to the party here at all. Not sure if you can or can't turn the MS ads off either, but I'm pretty sure the ads come free of charge.

    12. Re:Douchebags! by pla · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure the ads come free of charge.

      Sweet! Where do I sign up to have them display my ads on your desktop for free?

      Note: Sometimes "free" still means "less than zero".

    13. Re:Douchebags! by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      You can do what I do.
      When you see an add intrusively screwing with your PC, you vow not to buy product from the advertiser.
      They become negative purchase agreements.

    14. Re:Douchebags! by Hsien-Ko · · Score: 1

      So Microsoft wants to sell advertising on your desktop now??

      Greedy cocksuckers.

      Channel Bar says hi.

    15. Re:Douchebags! by hardburlyboogerman · · Score: 1

      Not bad enough that Windows 8 (a Turd) and Windows 8.1 (A highly polished Turd) doesn't work right on an average desktop,now ads with search ON THE DESKTOP? Micro$oft needs a punishing backlash for this type of crap.
      Need any more reason to migrate to Linux? I don't

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    16. Re:Douchebags! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Group policy to the rescue! Haven't got the Pro version or better? To the register we go! Where to look for guidance? From the non-classified USA military security configuration guides! Why? Because we like to pit private enterprise against the government and vice versa!

    17. Re:Douchebags! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Piss off, you shitbag apologist.

    18. Re:Douchebags! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hmmm.... We all know that Microsoft is always desperately trying to play catch up with competing products. Maybe Canoical put that feature in knowing that Microsoft would see it, get dollar signs in their eyes and shout "Me too!", implementing obnoxious non-optional advertising driving away yet more of their customers.

      Ubuntu, in the meantime, can be easily modded to remove the ads, and has the excuse that it's a free system that needs to get its revenue from somewhere. Perhaps now that it has served its purpose, the advertising in Ubuntu will be quietly removed.

      You know, sometimes the tinfoil works in your favour!

    19. Re:Douchebags! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure the ads come free of charge.

      Really? So you're saying the ads aren't using my bandwidth? That they aren't unnecessarily wasting my screen space?

      You still have a point about MS not being the first to add ads, but your new point seems kind of lacking.

  2. LOL! by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Informative

    Is Microsoft trying deliberately to lose its customers?

    1. Re:LOL! by Sir_Sri · · Score: 2

      Seems like. "Smart" Search on windows 8.1 preview already has a habit of spitting back very sketchy sites when doing searches for windows feature type things, this is just going to make it worse.

    2. Re:LOL! by Freshly+Exhumed · · Score: 1

      This is all just a PR plan to have every third story on Slashdot be about Microsoft.

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    3. Re:LOL! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft is actually trying to lose customers in a round about way. They're attempting to crush their competition. Problem is, they are their only competition.

    4. Re:LOL! by poetmatt · · Score: 1

      we're almost heading towards freefall. so, that's a yes.

    5. Re:LOL! by steelfood · · Score: 1

      Microsoft has gone crazy. They've gone batshit insane. They're completely cannibalizing their stable (in terms of market), core OS product for a whisper of a dream that is the mobile walled garden.

      Year of Linux on the desktop might not be so far fetched after all.

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    6. Re:LOL! by Issarlk · · Score: 1

      Where have you been? They have been trying to crash all their products into the ground for years now.

    7. Re:LOL! by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Search for "stratodoober" in Google and Bing. Google returns four results, Bing returns five pages of results. The first four are the same as Google's, none of the rest have the word in them at all. The fifth result is an ad for Dick's Sporting Goods, most of the rest are also ads and none have anything at all to do with the search term.

      Bing: Because It's Not Good.

    8. Re:LOL! by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      2002 was the year of Linux on the desktop at my house. Windows lacks too many features and is way too user-hostile.

  3. LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've already ceased using Windows for anything but gaming.

    1. Re:LOL by Goaway · · Score: 2

      In other words, you are still using Windows.

    2. Re:LOL by fast+turtle · · Score: 1

      and I've ceased using windows even for gaming - Wine handles GW just fine for me.

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    3. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what?

      I've ceased purchasing Windows and gaming is growing on both OSX and Linux.

    4. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wine is great, if all you want to play are 10 year old games.

  4. Adblock for Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Business opportunity seeks willing code monkey...

  5. As if Windows8 wasn't having enough problems by rsborg · · Score: 1

    Did the creators of Metro UI consider that ads would be some of the smart tiles? Look, iOS's spotlight search may be boring, but at least it doesn't show me ads along with my apps/music/contact results. Even Google doesn't put ads on your Android homescreen.

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    1. Re:As if Windows8 wasn't having enough problems by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What makes you think that was not the idea all along?

      Have you seen Xbox home?

    2. Re:As if Windows8 wasn't having enough problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      amazon does on your kindle fire, but at least they charge less for the ad-version.

    3. Re:As if Windows8 wasn't having enough problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      amazon does on your kindle fire, but at least they charge less for the ad-version.

      Same with the regular cheap-o version of the Kindle, though it's usually just a banner ad at the bottom while you're browsing your library and the only time it's full screen is when you turn it "off".

    4. Re:As if Windows8 wasn't having enough problems by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      I think you nailed it. "Welp, we expected a huge backlash for running ads on our paid service that Sony gives away for free... but somehow we got away with it! Let's do the bait and switch with our desktop market and see how well it works there"
       
      I'm sure there'll be a third party plugin to disable it on the PC side, but if even 1% of users don't install said plugin, Microsoft comes out way ahead. Not that I agree with this idea...

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    5. Re:As if Windows8 wasn't having enough problems by poetmatt · · Score: 2

      how is having an icons in a folder = advertisement? they aren't even visible. that's not an advertisement, fool.

    6. Re:As if Windows8 wasn't having enough problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except Sony will be charging for multiplayer when PS4 comes out...

    7. Re:As if Windows8 wasn't having enough problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      preinstalled apps != advertisements. A link to gmail is not the same as serving up Trip Adviser when I search for vacation photos.

      It's also not hard to remove a link to an app (god forbid they have some stuff setup for the 95% of android users who have a gmail address). How hard will it be to block OS level Bing ads on 8.1?

      You are an industry level retard if you think an app on the homescreen is in the same league as bing results when doing a system search.

    8. Re:As if Windows8 wasn't having enough problems by JDG1980 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think you nailed it. "Welp, we expected a huge backlash for running ads on our paid service that Sony gives away for free... but somehow we got away with it! Let's do the bait and switch with our desktop market and see how well it works there"

      Apparently they didn't consider that what the gaming demographic is willing to put up with, serious businesses might not be. Gamers don't have to worry about HIPAA, PCI, SOX, or other privacy/security requirements.

      There's got to be some group policy setting to disable this 'smart search' and its corresponding ads, and have the search tool conduct local searches only. (Group policy editing is available only in Pro, but you can generally get the same results on the Home version by manually setting a corresponding registry key.) Even this management team at Microsoft couldn't be dumb enough to not realize that businesses need an opt-out. Could they?

    9. Re:As if Windows8 wasn't having enough problems by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      I suspect Win 8 Enterprise Edition will have an option to turn this off, the same way that RDC Server is enabled in Pro and disabled in Home.

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    10. Re:As if Windows8 wasn't having enough problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How hard will it be to block OS level Bing ads on 8.1?

      It's a fucking toggle switch. On or Off. Wow, so hard.

    11. Re:As if Windows8 wasn't having enough problems by Wookact · · Score: 2

      I do own a Nexus 7. I have yet to see any ads on the home screen. Why are you spreading BS?

    12. Re:As if Windows8 wasn't having enough problems by bmk67 · · Score: 1

      They won't be charging me.

    13. Re:As if Windows8 wasn't having enough problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have yet to see any advertisements on my android device unless _I_ download the free version of an application and the creator of that application runs advertisements _WITHIN_THEIR_APPLICATION_

    14. Re:As if Windows8 wasn't having enough problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've just admitted to never owning an Android device. Every single one of them comes, by default, with advertising widgets on the home screen.

    15. Re:As if Windows8 wasn't having enough problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you got it used. When I bought my Nexus 7, brand new, it had tons of advertising for magazines, books, music, etc. plastered all over the home screens. Also, the Google search widget, which is used for searching for content on the device, also searches online and displays Google's ads.

    16. Re:As if Windows8 wasn't having enough problems by poetmatt · · Score: 1

      yeah, in your imagination maybe. You can troll better than that. Remind me what nexus devices come with "Advertising widgets"? the play books app and/or play magazines app are not advertising widgets, they are functional.

  6. Ads added post-purchase? by omnichad · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Any time ads are added to a purchased program or device post-purchase, you can expect a big backlash.

    1. Re:Ads added post-purchase? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet America loves Xbox Live... Microsoft is an American company, therefor it's better than Sony.

      The race to the bottom continues.

    2. Re:Ads added post-purchase? by i+kan+reed · · Score: 3, Informative

      Those ads got me to end my live subscription and stop buying games.

    3. Re:Ads added post-purchase? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MS is better than Sony because everyone is better than Sony. Sony is a colossal turd, with rootkits, removing functionality from PS3, etc. MS is lost and confused but hasn't done anything blatantly "Evil" like Sony has.

      8.0 and removal the Start Button (not something that I personally miss)... XB1 with all Digital Ecosystem (They need to compete with the likes of Steam and Apple... and can't do that when locked to generations old system of CD/DVD/etc. Atleast they didn't "degrade" the XB1 by removing the Kinect like Sony did)... other weird decisions abound, but they are still leagues above Sony.

      My house owns plenty of non-MS stuff, but given the choice between Sony and MS on name brand alone I'll go MS every time.

    4. Re:Ads added post-purchase? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But they keep doing it. Newspapers charge you for a copy, but they still have ads. Part of Cable TV's draw was that the cable channels had no ads, now you're all frogboiled into watching ads while the content is on (I say "you" because I went back to OTA, screw cable. A hundred bucks for five hundred channels of crap I would never want to watch? Talk about a bad deal!).

    5. Re:Ads added post-purchase? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am an American who HATES XBox Live and have stopped using/paying for it for almost 4 years now. I would be more but canceling my subscription was a pain in the ass so I ran a year with it because I "had" to. now that I dont use it I dont miss it at all. Also the adds that they showed me were always for something that I had already purchased... How is that useful?

    6. Re:Ads added post-purchase? by Twillerror · · Score: 1

      from you, but not from the masses

    7. Re:Ads added post-purchase? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doubleplusone.

      On a related note, why oh why do people put up with ads in Cinemas?

      In Australia it can be around $20 for a cinema ticket, plus I have to sit through 15 minutes of ads, then 10 of previews (which are just more ads, don't pretend they're informative). Outrageous!

      Why don't people demand more? I demand either no ads, or free tickets! You can't have it both ways!

      Same rules apply to Microsoft... make the OS free if you're going to shove ads at me. This relationship works fine for Google.

    8. Re:Ads added post-purchase? by zkiwi34 · · Score: 1

      Newspapers (may want to) but don't/can't troll your hard drive and your online presence to "serve" you the "ads you want."

      It'd be interesting to see how the EC reacts to Windows doing this privacy invasion thing. Google's already been walked about 1/2 way along the plank for its sins, and you have to note that Microsoft has already ticked the EC off to epic proportions. Mayhaps Google could toss this current Microsoft bollocks to occupy them for a while.

  7. Who cares about microsoft's search? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who cares about microsoft's smart search, whatever it is?

    1. Re:Who cares about microsoft's search? by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Pretty sure it's the steaming pile that replaced the oft-maligned "start menu" when Windows 8 was squirted out.

  8. No Thanks- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is why Microsoft need to go away.

  9. Ugh by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While this seems like a good idea to MS and advertisers, I don't want Bing ads when I'm searching on things inside my machine or to let MS know about the searches I'm doing on my own files. I also can't see that enterprises want this feature turned on. For example if you are working on a proposal to expand your company's presence in a particular Asian country next year but can't find the document that you saved earlier, do you want MS to send information to advertisers about expansion in that country? What if they proposal shouldn't be divulged yet to people inside the company much less to people outside of the company.

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    1. Re:Ugh by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Worse: where I work we're subject to regulatory requirements about data disclosure. Having an external entity (Microsoft) be made aware of what we're doing before it's officially disclosed is a violation of Federal securities regulations. Having an external entity be made aware of private consumer credit information (which I work with regularly) is a violation of Federal privacy, consumer-protection and banking laws. The day this goes in, there's going to be a directive from Legal come down: this feature must be disabled completely or we must cease using Windows.

    2. Re:Ugh by vux984 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agreed.

      If your local search had a button to "also search online" after local results were found and that online search returned ads, that'd be one thing -- its just another interface to an internet search engine and we pretty much expect ads.

      But to automaticlly push local search online is bad enough, to return ads with that is just demented.

        Nobody wants this. Absolutely Nobody.

    3. Re:Ugh by cyborg_zx · · Score: 1

      Advertisers and those who sell their billboards apparently do.

      But they're scum so it's to be expected.

    4. Re:Ugh by psybre · · Score: 2

      Perhaps they will offer a super premium ultimate for workgroups edition that comes with this awesome feature unbundled.

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    5. Re:Ugh by tapi0 · · Score: 1

      Unconfirmed, but I'd expect a group policy setting or perhaps defaulting to off when on a domain/non 'home' version. Extended search (along with pretty much anything else in the OS) has always been manageable by GPO so I can't see this being any different

    6. Re:Ugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those ads are only a cover for passing on your private search request to the NSA...?

    7. Re:Ugh by LandGator · · Score: 1

      Then I'd suggest editing your HOSTS.TXT file to include the line

      127.0.0.1 bing.com

      along with 127.0.0.1 references for all the other adservers and nosy websites.

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    8. Re:Ugh by LandGator · · Score: 1

      See above suggestion to have your IT folks edit your HOSTS.TXT file to include the line

      127.0.0.1 bing.com

      along with 127.0.0.1 references for all the other adservers and nosy websites.

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    9. Re:Ugh by Common+Joe · · Score: 1

      With the exception of a little computer help from time to time, my wife is a business of one and works inside our home. She frequently gets jobs from major international companies that demand encryption and privacy. The program she uses for her work is also based only on Windows. I think I'm in for a world of hurt trying to figure out how to defend against this. I suspect it will involve some new Window O.S. version that MS will rollout and it will cost us more money.

  10. Seems to me by IWantMoreSpamPlease · · Score: 1

    That with a good firewall, you could block SS from doing anything not local, and solve this issue.
    But I'm sure I'm missing something.
    But really, how out of touch with reality do you have to be to think putting ads on a user's desktop is a good idea?

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  11. Just copying. by SuricouRaven · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ubuntu did it first.

    1. Re:Just copying. by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 2

      and there was a huge backlash against it and even more users migrated to mint and/or debian

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    2. Re:Just copying. by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      Also, didn't Ubuntu add an option to opt-out of the advertising after the backlash?

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    3. Re:Just copying. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the opt-out was available _BEFORE_ the backlash. as usual, kneejerkers don't let facts get in the way of their jerking.
      what was funny is that people who swore to never use ubuntu before were swearing again because they want to create a FUD wave.

    4. Re:Just copying. by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Also, didn't Ubuntu add an option to opt-out of the advertising after the backlash?

      yup they did, also they anonymised the searches as i recall from the forbes article a ms exec is quoted as saying;

      The goal, is to give advertisers access to consumers across a broader variety of their daily activities, not just when they’re overtly conducting a search.

      so they are not only seeing you search but from a detailed analysis of you computer daily usage.
      they are literally baking adware and spyware into their core OS.

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    5. Re:Just copying. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Logically means that to some extent Microsoft is giving free promotional advertising to FREE software. Wonder if any open hardware vendors will make use of it to advertise their non-OS locked hardware. Anyone who saw a sales uptick from the advent of Windows 8 of selling hardware not including it? Perhaps they might want to purchase advertising from Microsoft to thank them for Windows 8.

    6. Re:Just copying. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      Given the rate of success at de-anonymizing all sorts of allegedly-anonymized datasets of any particular interest, it's best to treat 'anonymized' as a mere weasel word, even if it is used in clueless good faith(and it often doesn't even go that far).

    7. Re:Just copying. by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      they are literally baking adware and spyware into their core OS.

      At this rate, the only safe way to run your computer is when it's disconnected from the network.

      Microsoft isn't a trustworthy entity.

      I also predict this will run afoul of European data laws, and any country with privacy laws should be looking closely at this.

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    8. Re:Just copying. by Missing.Matter · · Score: 1

      You can already opt out on 8.1: http://i.imgur.com/UY2RgUo.png

    9. Re:Just copying. by JDG1980 · · Score: 1

      That's good to know. I'd double-check the traffic on the firewall, though, just to make sure it's not going ahead and sending your search terms to MS anyway...

    10. Re:Just copying. by solios · · Score: 1

      Actually, Apple did it first with Sherlock, the search replacement in OS 9.

    11. Re:Just copying. by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      Also, didn't Ubuntu add an option to opt-out of the advertising after the backlash?

      No, the search provider that sent queries to Amazon and included Amazon product listings in the desktop search was always a separate package that could be disabled (and which, IIRC, has a very clear name and description), when people raised issues about it, Ubuntu provided information on how to disable it, but it wasn't a new option, it was there from day one.

    12. Re:Just copying. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If by "opt-out" you really mean "the ability to uninstall that specific package", then yes. I suppose that's an opt-out in the same way manually deleting files and registry entries to get rid of Microsoft's version would be an opt-out.

      But you misunderstand the problems people had with this. Off the top of my head:

      1) The mere fact that it WAS (and still is) opt-out and not opt-in.
      2) The fact that (at least at first), the data was neither anonymized nor encrypted. The claims to have resolved these issues are unverifiable and dubious at best. The public does not have access to Canonical's servers, obviously.
      3) The fact that you can download Ubuntu, install Ubuntu, and run a search which returns ads without so much as a warning or privacy notice. The icon does not (or at least did not even for some weeks after the drama settled down) show in the search field until AFTER you run your first search. Even then, it isn't obvious.
      4) The privacy notice is ambiguous as all hell.
      5) Why Amazon? Why not a more generic product search?
      6) Canonical still, to this day, refuses to acknowledge their partnership status with Amazon.
      7) By far my biggest problem personally was the way Canonical and Shuttleworth in particular handled the whole thing. If you haven't already, read his response on his blog. He seems shockingly unprofessional, unstable, and untrustworthy. The Amazon ads weren't the first incident like this, either.

    13. Re:Just copying. by mwvdlee · · Score: 2

      To be fair, the setting only says "Get search suggestions and web results from Bing". It doesn't say anything about not sending information to Bing, just not getting results.

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  12. Eh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just another thing to supplement/replace/remove whenever I get saddled with a win8 machine. I'm going to need a new laptop eventually. Maybe it's time to check out a macbook air. (Hopefully they'll have a retina display air by the time I'm in the market)

    Man. Remember the windows 7 launch? It was such a great thing to be enthusiastic for a windows release. Miles better than vista, a genuine improvement over XP (Particularly if you needed 64bit support)

  13. Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What can be be possible wrong with that?

    1. Re:Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft? Security? Are you new here?

  14. MS appears determined to lose their business by Karmashock · · Score: 1

    Their desktop market won't sustain much more.

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  15. How to commit suicide, by Microsoft by Progman3K · · Score: 4, Funny

    We visit a Microsoft boardroom, where execs are discussing their future plans

    Exec 1: Hey, I've got an idea, you know how on that android-y thingy, you can download free apps but to make their money back on them, the developers serve ads? Why don't we do that?

    Exec 2: You mean serve people ads with software they've already paid for???

    Exec1: Yeah!

    Exec 3: Genius! Let's break for lunch!

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    1. Re:How to commit suicide, by Microsoft by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      i can pay 99c for a ad free version of most of those android apps, lets see ms charge 99c for windows

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    2. Re:How to commit suicide, by Microsoft by TrollheartBlue · · Score: 1

      I know this isn't how the meeting went down, but at the same time I can't imagine how a group of informed people would reach the consensus that this is a goo idea.

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    3. Re:How to commit suicide, by Microsoft by LandGator · · Score: 1

      Naah, it's only a two-bit OS.

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    4. Re:How to commit suicide, by Microsoft by Progman3K · · Score: 1

      You say it isn't how it went down but I put to you that the bigger the company, the more insulated from everything the policy-makers are, in general.

      And when you actually start to believe your own hype, well there's no telling what dumb things you might do.

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    5. Re:How to commit suicide, by Microsoft by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      Movie theaters have been doing it for decades. Pay to see the film, arrive at the supposed start time, watch 30 minutes of ads and 15 minutes of trailers.

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    6. Re:How to commit suicide, by Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      M$ will be happy to charge you $999 extra for there "Enterprise Edition" which gives power users the ability to turn on (and off) as many of their amazing features as they want.

    7. Re:How to commit suicide, by Microsoft by Progman3K · · Score: 1

      Agreed, but at the same time more people are staying home and watching DVDs

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  16. dont get scroogled by wbr1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hey MS. Targeted ads, pot, kettle, black something or other. Sigh.

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    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  18. holy fuck ball-mer is stupid. by gl4ss · · Score: 3, Informative

    holy fuck ball-mer is stupid.
    THIS is the time to introduce this? right after xbox one constantly on fiasco and the nsa leaks? right now? really? REALLY?
    and they're asking money for this? holy bejeezubus even if ubuntu does it that doesn't mean it's a good idea you know. fuck 'em. not going to use it.
    how the fuck are they going to justify paying for the os and getting even more ads on your fucking screen? the metro start screen as you get it out of the box is already a giant fucking grid of billboards and nothing else.

    (at least probably you can turn it off - and yeah you would pretty much be using the search to run anything if you were to use metro.. quite simply, because it's too bothersome to navigate by mouse)

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  19. Their ad free philosophy was short lived by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    See: http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/13/05/11/0041224/microsoft-youtube-app-strips-ads-adds-download

  20. Does this mean a copy of Windows is free now? by kheldan · · Score: 2

    The hell with that crap. If they're going to shove ads right in your face like that, then they should give Windows away for free. If you're paying for the OS then there should NEVER be anything like this. Screw you, Microsoft.

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    1. Re:Does this mean a copy of Windows is free now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody buys Windows. They buy a computer.

    2. Re:Does this mean a copy of Windows is free now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, that would be like paying for cable TV, and then the networks still fill it with advertisements.

    3. Re:Does this mean a copy of Windows is free now? by kheldan · · Score: 1

      Some of us still buy components and build our own to specs, not buy some name-brand box, so there is no OS pre-installed.

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    4. Re:Does this mean a copy of Windows is free now? by kheldan · · Score: 1

      Nobody should have to put up with that, either.

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  21. In-App vs In-Charms Bar by HideyoshiJP · · Score: 1

    This is just awful placement. I actually would have no issue with ads inside the Bing app results (just like you would on the search page). The placement on the Smart Search, visible from the main start screen, is just atrocious. I'd just as soon disable the Bing from smart search anyway. Microsoft made a great impression on my with Metro UI, both in Windows Phone, and in Windows 8/RT in that it always looks clean and unfettered by advertising. They'll be quickly losing that advantage if they steer it in the direction of the XBox's UI with ads everywhere.

    1. Re:In-App vs In-Charms Bar by JDG1980 · · Score: 1

      Metro was designed from the ground up as an ad delivery mechanism.

  22. Sealed The Deal by denmarkw00t · · Score: 1

    My Girlfriend has been using Windows 7 on her laptop and trying different flavors of Linux on a spare machine. This just helped her make up her mind that her next machine either won't have Windows (Mac), or will be completely Linux-able.

  23. A change in pricing? by jbolden · · Score: 2

    We know that adware on lowend PCs was worth $75-90 per unit. I'd assume advertising revenue on the OS would be worth at least a little more. OEM windows 8 + Office was $120. Which means its entirely possible the ad revenue might be enough for Microsoft to make Windows 8 + Office (home) a free (as in beer) OS with the advertising. Or maybe even a slight subsidy like $50 for OEMs on systems over $500.

    WinRT is much cheaper closer to $30. There we could be looking at something like a $100-150 subsidy which might be almost all the hardware cost. You could be looking at fairly good WinRT systems for $99 or $199.

    I have no information but as idle speculation this might be a very very interesting change of strategy for home / small business.

    1. Re:A change in pricing? by maliqua · · Score: 1

      Spoken like a true optimist

      More likely it will cost just as much, and then have continued revenue for M$ after the sales fizzle out (after may not be the right words since they've fizzled since launch)

    2. Re:A change in pricing? by rsborg · · Score: 1

      I have no information but as idle speculation this might be a very very interesting change of strategy for home / small business.

      You're assuming business strategy change competency from a convicted monopolist that's been coasting for a decade+ on their cash cows? I like your analysis, but I think it'd be very un-Microsoft to actually sell their product for any less than they feel is necessary.

      Aside from the fact that Microsoft won't be doing this, I doubt it's a good tactic after all. Is there something in the water in Seattle? Why are Amazon and Microsoft so gung-ho on selling products (Win8.1, Kindle Fire) that have baked-in un-removable advertising?

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    3. Re:A change in pricing? by jbolden · · Score: 1

      You're assuming business strategy change competency from a convicted monopolist

      To get to be a monopoly requires business strategy competency. They didn't get where they are by accident.

      that's been coasting for a decade+ on their cash cows?

      There big gains this decade have been on the enterprise server side: Dynamics, SQL Server moving up market, Sharepoint. That's not coasting that's growing.

      Why are Amazon and Microsoft so gung-ho on selling products (Win8.1, Kindle Fire) that have baked-in un-removable advertising?

      I'm not sure what you mean Amazon. Amazon sells advertising for a small subsidy and lets the end user buy it off. I think they are indifferent.
      Microsoft is under tremendous margin pressure on consumer / small business. They need to likely sell hardware below cost to beat Android. And to do that they need another source of financing. Advertising makes sense.

  24. Re:Windows Free vs Pro by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I could understand this if Windows was a free product with an ad-free pro upgrade but for a full product this is inexcusable

    Even better, it's a feature that the high-willingness-to-pay corporate market will fucking loath(Oh, sure, we don't mind if our strategy leaks to who-knows-who every time somebody searches for an email...), it's a feature that will just help them look trashy and cheap compared to Apple(who already excels at making their competitors look trashy and cheap), and it is closest to the featureset of a more mature product that Google gives away for free with ads(and Microsoft wants you to pay for).

    Should be a big win all around! Then again, though, they've mostly gotten away with it on XBL, so it could be just that bad out there.

  25. Virus search... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AWESOME. Now Windows will help you look for viruses!!!!

  26. If only Smart Search worked by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1

    They can try to push ads all they want, but until they get their search "feature" to work, it will be moot.

    It's faster to go to Google and do a search than it is trying to find the answer through their, supposedly, integrated search.

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  27. Theft... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This borders on theft of computing time, and network bandwidth, not to mention anti-competative.

  28. Still thinks its 1995? by syntaxterror7 · · Score: 1

    Microsoft still operates as if people have no other options. This is part of their entire scheme right now. They have stated they want to add ads to both xbox 1 and windows 8, go as far to say as they were built with ad delivery in mind.

  29. Added the Ubuntu Tag by ilikenwf · · Score: 1

    Seems appropriate, since Microsoft seems to be borrowing this trick from Canonical.

  30. HIPAA and many other laws/regulations by fallen1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    guarantees that Windows 8 / 8.1 will NEVER be utilized inside the medical field. I was already looking to have to explain to my bosses why we should not buy laptops with Windows 8 on them and this just sealed the deal for me -- HIPAA violations start at $50,000 per and go up to $150,000 per. Anything "analyzing" searches on our computer systems or networks is right out.

    Thank you, Microsoft, for making my job as an administrator that much easier! It has now become so that recommending Microsoft CAN get you fired.

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    1. Re:HIPAA and many other laws/regulations by game+kid · · Score: 1

      It's ok, they'll just secretly reinterpret HIPAA.

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    2. Re:HIPAA and many other laws/regulations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and you can't disable this through group policy?

    3. Re:HIPAA and many other laws/regulations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Using your logic, no browser would be allowed on your systems since any search would be analyzed by the search provider. Maybe that's a requirement on your pc's, but if that were the case it would be simple to limit the scope of Win 8.1 searches to the pc through a policy.

    4. Re:HIPAA and many other laws/regulations by lgw · · Score: 1

      There will surely be a group policy to disable this across the domain for the business version.

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    5. Re:HIPAA and many other laws/regulations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think at least from Reading the article that this only applies if the Bing Metro App is installed. (Remove it by - right click - all programs -> bing -> right click -> uninstall.

  31. Re:"AdBlock" for ANYTHING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you a real boy?

  32. I'm cool with it BUT! by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

    If MS is going to do this they need to give me something in exchange.
    Free ads to support free services
    - Facebook to support the free social service
    - Google to support the free searches.
    - TV to provide low cost entertainment (debatable)

    What is MS giving us to invade our lives outside our web searches?

  33. one day... by RedHackTea · · Score: 1

    Mom: "Sonny, remember to buy some milk and cookies."
    Me: "OK mom."
    Ad: "Our voice recognition has picked up your liking for cookies. Grab some snackerdoodles today! Yum, yum, yum makes your mouth go numb! SnnnnnnnnnnnnnackerdOOdles!"

    Then like in Futurama, it will be in our dreams. Long will be the days when you could buy something without ads. "Remember when you could buy a wooden chair from a carpenter without an ad permanently sealed to it? Those were the good ole' days!" people will say....

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    1. Re:one day... by Sentrion · · Score: 2

      I also remember the day when you could by a T-shirt and the logo was kept hidden on a tag near the neck. Boy, I am an old-timer!

  34. Re:Windows Free vs Pro by JDG1980 · · Score: 1

    Should be a big win all around! Then again, though, they've mostly gotten away with it on XBL, so it could be just that bad out there.

    Just because dumbass gamer kids are willing to put up with it doesn't mean that business users will be.

  35. Difference between Home and Professional Editions by ArtosKincaid · · Score: 1

    This will be the new reason to buy the Professional edition of Windows - it'll give you the ability to disable the ads that you can't turn off in the Home version. Based on the heavily modified versions of Windows you can get for defense and healthcare work I'd say it's almost a given it'll be a configurable setting somewhere in the OS.

  36. Pann? Aptly named! by Bearhouse · · Score: 2

    David Pann, general manager of Microsoft’s Search Advertising Group, said in an interview that advertisers don’t have to do additional setup to participate.

    Well whoopee! Thanks David. Considered your next career move yet?
    Better jump before your guys get the memo from SB saying that "all your staff are belong to us".

    On a more serious note, I've been resisting installing the "update" from Microsoft which wanted to add "Bing search" functionality to my WIndows 7 machine...wonder if this lovely feature will also be thus rolling out to 7 users in the future?

  37. Scroogled? by aklinux · · Score: 1

    What, their Scroogling campaign wasn't gaining enough traction, so they decided they might as well join in?

  38. I for one welcome... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... nah, this is too much even for me.

  39. Smart Search? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    Microsoft said its advertisers will be able to target users not just on Web search results pages but directly inside Windows Smart Search.

    I hadn't actually heard/read the phrase "Windows Smart Search" before. From the sound of things, I guess it's "smart" for someone, not sure it's the end-user. Perhaps someone at MS liked the Unity shopping lens...

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  40. Makes sense with windows 8 sales being awesome by maliqua · · Score: 1

    I mean why not give people even less motivation to switch to your new product they already have no interest in, lets fill it with ads!

    Hey microsoft your not so important anymore that we cant live without you stop trying to push yourself the rest of the way out the door just some friendly advice...

    no wait pelase do

  41. Microsoft by koan · · Score: 1

    The Walmart of the Internet.

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  42. Captive audience exploited! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I said this when the first preview of Win8 came out - Microsoft was trying to monetize their captive audience of consumer (non-corporate) Windows users by driving traffic to Bing from the Metro screen and its new apps - it's almost impossible for a normal user to set up Win8 without creating a Bing account, and use a local acount. I finally figured out how to do it.

    And, yet, until now, no one seems to have connected the dots.

    My prediction is that Windows 9 would have a "consumer" edition (Metro only, no Windows API programs allowed) and a "legacy" edition.

    The "legacy" edition can run normal Windows API programs. But it will cost more than any normal person could afford. Only corporations would be able to buy it, and they'll get deep discounts so it costs the same as Win7/Win8.

    Save my comment for 2015 when Windows 9 comes out, and we'll see.

    1. Re:Captive audience exploited! by LVSlushdat · · Score: 1

      Just for shits and grins, I downloaded the Windows 8.1 Blue preview ISO and slapped it into a VM on my system (Debian Linux, thank you very much..).. The first damn thing it INSISTED on doing was either having me login to whatever BS backend they have for it, OR create a backend account.. I recall on the Win 8 preview there was a link there to merely create a local system account, which was what I wanted to do, but it seems like the fuckwads at MS took even THAT away.. Don't know what I did, but eventually I managed to find a screen to create a local account.. Once I got into Win8.1, I do see they've done some improvements over the steaming turd that is Windows 8.. The only reason I took the time to check Win8.1 out is because, since i'm the defacto neighborhood support "slave", I guarantee I'll be asked to help figure MS's latest pile of shit out.. Personally, its Linux for me.... (yes, I AM a Linux fanboy.. thank you very much...)

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    2. Re:Captive audience exploited! by __aasdno7518 · · Score: 1

      The only reason I took the time to check Win8.1 out is because, since i'm the defacto neighborhood support "slave", I guarantee I'll be asked to help figure MS's latest pile of shit out.. Personally, its Linux for me.... (yes, I AM a Linux fanboy.. thank you very much...)

      I have a friend who finally reached the point where he just could not face dealing with another sick Windows box. He gave everyone an ultimatum..Let him put some version of Linux on their machines,or he was cutting them loose to fend for themselves...Now he's converted his family to using it and a number of others. Anyone who hears he does support and calls asking for help with Windows is told no,end of discussion.

    3. Re:Captive audience exploited! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ditto for me and my family, except I switched them all to macs. certainly made eventually iphone and ipad syncing and setup easier. yay!

      fuck windows.

  43. What about TV? by hammeraxe · · Score: 1

    So people are complaining about MS putting ads into something that has been paid for by the customer. Understandable. Yet this same thing has been happening on TV and cinemas for years yet nobody seems to mind.....

    1. Re:What about TV? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > this same thing has been happening on TV and cinemas for years yet nobody seems to mind

      You realize that this is why i do not watch free to air tv ON a television right?

      I download it all so i don't need to watch the adds.

      And the funny part is that i havn't pirated a movie or game in years, i go to the cinema or buy bluray's for all of that.

    2. Re:What about TV? by advantis · · Score: 1

      Actually, you don't pay for TV. You pay for cable. The copper and the shoving of signal down said copper. There are places in this world where you don't have to get cable if all you want to see is free to air channels. The channels you do pay for don't show ads.

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    3. Re:What about TV? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually people do mind. That's why we have no cable TV package anymore and have Netflix instead.

      I think lots of people do care...

  44. NSA allies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Better protection from terrorists, of course.

  45. Re:Sounds like you need this by bmk67 · · Score: 1

    WTF? Why is parent un-moddable?

  46. Re:Sounds like you need this by bmk67 · · Score: 1

    Never mind. Wow, do I feel dumb.

  47. What no antitrust suggestions by Stan92057 · · Score: 2

    What no antitrust suggestions? wow Slashdot members are slipping.

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    1. Re:What no antitrust suggestions by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Microsoft has been slipping. in user-share.

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  48. Re:Difference between Home and Professional Editio by gl4ss · · Score: 1

    yes, the configuration is a hosts file.

    *bdamsh*

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  49. Cmon! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At least be a little more descriptive about your daughter's gash! For some of us, reading porn on slashdot is all we have left in this world and frankly I am getting tired of jacking off to 5 & 6 digit UIDs bitching back and forth to each other about which one is the bigger tin-hatter. Please GO ON........

  50. Idiocracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now I know what this thing in Idiocracy is: Windows 8 with "Modern" interface! It makes perfect sense!

  51. Re:Windows Free vs Pro by LandGator · · Score: 1

    Of course, this is what Gartner said last week 8.1 would win back the corporate market....

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  52. Re:Windows Free vs Pro by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

    Unless they are utter morons, they'll have a GP switch to turn this off. Of course, I said the same thing about having a GP switch to 'just boot to desktop, for fuck's sake, there isn't a touchscreen in this entire building', and look how that turned out...

  53. One more reason not to use windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only reason I use (a legal version of) windows at home is because my university provides it for free through msdnaa.
    As soon as that goes away I will simply stop upgrading, or switch back to cracked versions.
    Maybe I'll buy a version of windows 7 for my games to work with and simply never upgrade again.

    I hope steam on linux catches on with developers. Then I can stop using windows all together.

  54. Ok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok. Thanks for telling me. I don't really want more ads to stare at (whose delivery I pay for). Now that I know I will (further) avoid using their services. Thanks again.

  55. Thanks, MS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We didn't really need a 500th reason to switch to Linux, but you went and gave us one anyway. Thanks!

    Thank Root for Linux!

  56. Re:Sounds like you need this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes you're dumb & can't validly disprove APK's points here http://search.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3929425&cid=44168447

  57. Credible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google "Credible people, products and services"