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Research Shows E-Cigs Might Be As Good For Quitting As Nicotine Patches

"Taking a drag from an e-cigarette may be just as safe and effective as slapping on a nicotine patch for smokers struggling to quit, according to the first physician-run trial to compare the two products." That's according to research recently published in The Lancet (PDF) and reported by Bloomberg. Why is this significant? From the article: "If European and U.S. regulators treat e-cigarettes as medical devices, yet leave cigarettes on general sale, tobacco makers 'will retain their market monopoly, and we will never learn whether e-cigarettes would replace traditional cigarettes if allowed to continue evolving and competing with smoked tobacco on even terms,' [wrote clinical psychology professor Peter Hajek]. The results will also be presented today at the European Respiratory Society’s annual meeting in Barcelona. E-cigarettes have taken Europe and the U.S. by storm. In France, there are more than 1 million regular users, according to a government-commissioned report published in May. Sales worldwide will probably approach $2 billion by the end of this year and top $10 billion by 2017, according to a forecast by Wells Fargo & Co."

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  1. second hand e-smoke by goombah99 · · Score: 2, Funny

    yummy, I always like breathing in someone else's medicated ethylene glycol.

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    1. Re:second hand e-smoke by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Informative

      There's an e-cig kiosk at my local mall. In Ottawa, Canada. You can't smoke real cigarettes anywhere. Not in any workplace (including restaurants and bars), I think the one exception being hotel rooms, but that's only in designated smoking rooms, and not in common areas. You can't even smoke in public parks. Anyway, the people selling the e-cigs were smoking them at the kiosk. I didn't notice any odour, and it definitely didn't bother me. But I do kind of wonder if there are any effects anyway. If completely safe, I wouldn't mind this coming into general use for people who wish to smoke. It's much nicer than stepping into an elevator with a person who just came in from smoking, or even an elevator that was recently used by a smoker. The smell tends to linger quite a while. I used to not think it was such a bad thing, but since they've just about outlawed it everywhere, I've started to get bothered by it more and more. Also, can't say I'd miss having tons of cigarette butts left on the ground at the entrance to every building.

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    2. Re:second hand e-smoke by volkerdi · · Score: 5, Informative

      yummy, I always like breathing in someone else's medicated ethylene glycol.

      It's propylene glycol. But besides that, second hand nicotine was never an issue (and propylene glycol is recognized as safe, and even used in many asthma inhalers). The harm from second hand smoke comes from the smoke particles, something that's not present in e-cig vapor.

    3. Re:second hand e-smoke by budgenator · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If your going to troll as an AC, don't Preveiw under your UID then post Anonymously, because your sig is inserted into the post,

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    4. Re:second hand e-smoke by Tyler+Eaves · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Is it? Is there any *real* evidence that pure nicotine, in these sort of doses, is actually harmful for you, when not associated with tars, benzene, and all the other nasties in cig smoke? Or is it more like caffeine, where it might exactly be "healthy", but the real risk at typical usage levels is miniscule.

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    5. Re:second hand e-smoke by mcgrew · · Score: 2

      That was his original user name but his karma is so far in the toilet that an AC who starts at 0 has a better chance of being seen. He puts it there and is laughing at you right now for getting his troll seen. You might want to look at this.

    6. Re:second hand e-smoke by venicebeach · · Score: 2, Informative

      If completely safe, I wouldn't mind this coming into general use for people who wish to smoke.

      It's probably not completely safe for the smoker. A recent (just last month) study found that e-cigarettes do indeed contain carcinogens, in some cases showing similar levels of formaldehyde and acrolein as regular cigarettes.

      Article about the study.

    7. Re:second hand e-smoke by RussR42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Huh. I thought the real point was to at least avoid the harm of smoking tobacco. Even if I never quit the ecig, I think I've still done something very, very good for my health.

    8. Re:second hand e-smoke by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2

      Yes, there are studies showing harmful effects on people using nicotine gum or patches.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine#Toxicology

    9. Re:second hand e-smoke by RussR42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Your post is very disingenuous. The article itself says "3 out of 10" are found to contain acrolein and formaldehyde. For 10 bonus points, explain why they contain it and the others don't. I find it very odd that some ecigs are able to synthesize these two chemicals from the 3 main ingredients of eliquid and others don't. Perhaps what you mean to say is "A study found that if you put similar levels of formaldehyde and acrolein in you liquid mixtures as found in regular cigarettes, then they will contain similar levels of..." you get the point.

    10. Re:second hand e-smoke by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      I smoke e-cigars. They're safe, but they still smell like burning camel shit.

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    11. Re:second hand e-smoke by venicebeach · · Score: 3, Informative

      I think you've misunderstood the summary of the results. Formaldehyde was present in all of the vapors tested, but in varying degrees. Only 1 in 3 reached the levels of regular cigarettes.

    12. Re:second hand e-smoke by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, there are studies showing harmful effects on people using nicotine gum or patches.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine#Toxicology

      These harmful effects are minimal. From your citation: ... no epidemiological evidence supports that nicotine alone acts as a carcinogen in the formation of human cancer .... The only demonstrated negative effect was on birth defects, and I am skeptical about that: many of the women studied had switched from smoked tobacco when they realized they were pregnant, so it is likely many of them where still smoking during the first month of gestation without realizing they were knocked up, and it is also likely that many of them were sneaking some smokes later in the pregnancy. Also, people that smoke tend to have plenty of other unhealthy habits as well, like drinking alcohol and eating crap food. So this might be a "correlation is not causation" situation.

    13. Re:second hand e-smoke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I tried to use e-cigs to quit, but they didn't provide the satisfaction of real cigarettes so I just ended up alternating between them and real cigarettes.

      I did eventually manage to quit, but it was only by going cold turkey. Every time I wanted a smoke, I would start lifting weights instead. By the time I was finished with my workout, I found that I no longer had that immediate craving. After about the first month, I reached my first day in a long time where I didn't even think about smoking. Five years later and I'm still clean.

    14. Re:second hand e-smoke by blackraven14250 · · Score: 4, Informative

      After playing link telephone, since the actual study is stupidly deep in a chain of 4 links, as far as I can tell it's a "study" conducted by a consumer research group in France called "60 Million Consumers" (translated). The entire text of the study is about 3 paragraphs long, and has approximately zero details (i.e. how much was in the samples, or what the deviation was) ascertainable through Google Translate.

    15. Re:second hand e-smoke by yotto · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well if you don't mind being addicted and the costs related to it, then go ahead and do it.

      I don't mind it with coffee, so why should it be any different with e-cigarettes? I think this is a great idea if there truly are no secondhand issues.

    16. Re:second hand e-smoke by mjwx · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Is it? Is there any *real* evidence that pure nicotine, in these sort of doses, is actually harmful for you, when not associated with tars, benzene, and all the other nasties in cig smoke? Or is it more like caffeine, where it might exactly be "healthy", but the real risk at typical usage levels is miniscule.

      I dont think it would be healthy per se, but definitely not worse than the other crap we're legally using (alcohol, pain killers, apple products). The big problem with Tobacco is not nicotine, but the other carcinogenic chemicals included as you pointed out.

      The problem we have with Nicotine is that its addictive, but considering E-Cigs are an attempt to wean tobacco addicts onto a less dangerous product I'd say it's a huge step in the right direction.

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    17. Re:second hand e-smoke by biodata · · Score: 3, Informative
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    18. Re:second hand e-smoke by AdmiralWeirdbeard · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I was curious about that too. I feel inclined to go with the lancet over a french consumers group.

      I'm also kindof sick of all e-cigs being grouped together as if its a monolithic and uniform product. It's not. I could give two shits about what eliquid producers in france are doing. Or all that shit made in china. eLiquid i buy from a retailer trusted by the eliquid geeks on the e-cig forums is not the same product as whatever they 'tested' in that 'study.'

      I'd be very interested to read a proper scientific survey of major eliquid producers, controlled across different atomizer/battery setups. And if the FDA wants to regulate eliquid composition, I'd be ok with knowing that what i buy is pure. But if they bring down a banhammer over underage sales i for one will be raising a fuss. I smoked my first cigarette at 13. Purchased by a 15 year-old. Its not like the tobacco age restrictions are fucking foolproof. And can you imagine being a teenager illicitly buying ecig gear online, coming home to your mom asking why you just got a bunch of packages from sellers with Vape in the title?

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    19. Re:second hand e-smoke by philip.paradis · · Score: 2

      Congratulations on getting off the addiction wagon. I'd certainly say "less is more" when it comes to things people put in their bodies. That said, after 20 years of smoking and switching to e-cigs myself, the most important advice I have to those interested in pursuing vaping is to use quality equipment and e-liquid. The cheap, disposable e-cigs found in many gas stations and their cheap rechargeable counterparts available online will disappoint most people. The quality control in the cheap products is nonexistent, leading to poor results in many cases.

      After wasting a bunch of money on cheap crap, I listened to a few of my coworkers and bought one their mods, a ProVari v1. No, I am not being compensated by Provape; I have no association with the manufacturer, not even as a direct customer, having bought this mod from my friend. After adding a Kanger T3S tank and filling up with various tasty flavors from my local vape shop, I'm extremely happy. The difference between this and the cheap crap is absolutely night and day.

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    20. Re:second hand e-smoke by blackest_k · · Score: 2

      That isn't true for a lot of e-cigarette users there are a number of reasons why you might use them.
      socially many people do not want stale cigarette smoke in their homes and find the e-cigarette an acceptable alternative. So when socialising with non-smokers a tobacco smoker will use the e-cigarette instead of a regular cigarette. You can also add other situations where cigarettes are forbidden but e-cigarettes are acceptable.

      Health wise probably tar is the biggest issue from regular cigarettes its what causes the smokers lung the coughing the flem the wheezing and the e-cigarette is tar free.

      Stress relief. Granted some stress that smokers feel is due to low nicotine levels it also does help to relax and help concentrate the mind. Often the smoke break will help resolve problems in for example coding. I can't count the number of times i've been banging my head against a problem and a cigarette and a coffee has altered my perspective and given me an alternative and successful approach on the return.

      weather it is pretty lousy to have to go outside into the rain snow and cold in order to have a cigarette. if you can use the e-cig indoors its a positive and probably makes for a shorter break.

      Cost. in general you may find an e-cigarette is cheaper than regular cigarettes. Patches and gum tend to be a more expensive alternative to cigarettes and patches keep falling off and are a slower delivery mechanism.

      Cigarettes are addictive without doubt and while i can quite happily not drink on a regular basis and have a shot of whiskey once in a blue moon, it is damn near impossible to have the odd cigarette without becoming a regular smoker once again. At the present time you can buy E-cigarettes in pretty much the same outlets as regular cigarettes, if you limit the supply to pharmacies then most smokers will go for regular cigarettes instead which isn't really the outcome most people would prefer.

         

    21. Re: second hand e-smoke by JackieBrown · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Chantix was great. I was able to quit after a week of taking it. I was smoke free for a few years.

      I started smoking again when my wife passed a few months ago. I tried using Chantix again but the nightmares were terrible. It got to the point were I was terrified to go to sleep. I'm going to try again when things are less "fresh."

      It is amazing how quickly smoking has effected my breathing this time around. I don't remember the effects being so quick last time.

    22. Re:second hand e-smoke by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2

      Nice job of selective quoting. The rest of the paragraph says:

      research over the last decade has identified nicotine's carcinogenic potential in animal models and cell culture. Nicotine has been noted to directly cause cancer through a number of different mechanisms such as the activation of MAP Kinases. Indirectly, nicotine increases cholinergic signalling (and adrenergic signalling in the case of colon cancer), thereby impeding apoptosis (programmed cell death), promoting tumor growth, and activating growth factors and cellular mitogenic factors such as 5-LOX, and EGF. Nicotine also promotes cancer growth by stimulating angiogenesis and neovascularization. In one study, nicotine administered to mice with tumors caused increases in tumor size (twofold increase), metastasis (nine-fold increase), and tumor recurrence (threefold increase).

      Fundamentally it's proven that nicotine is a significant factor in cancer growth and metastasis.

  2. Might be? by RussR42 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Anecdotal evidence: Myself and many of my friends switched to ecigs with success. Many of us tried and failed with other methods. Now I have a roaring ecig addiction that tobacco just can't satisfy. So that's not quite a successful quit yet, but in terms of harm reduction it's looking good so far. Since I can control the strength of the liquid by mixing it myself, I'm working on a very long, gentle taper down.

    1. Re:Might be? by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Good luck. My recommendation to cigarette smokers who wish to quit is to first switch to a tobacco product that does not have a fixed amount of nicotine in each unit (natural wrapper cigars, pipes, or, as one cigarette smoker I know is doing, hand rolled cigarettes using pipe tobacco). There are two problems that most cigarette smokers have with quitting smoking. The first is the oral fixation on the process of smoking (something that is, in and of itself, not that very difficult to overcome, but it is the reason why chewing tobacco and snuff don't work for most smokers trying to quit). The second and more difficult part is the nicotine addiction. What makes the cigarette nicotine addiction so much harder to break than other addictions is that every cigarette of a particular brand has exactly the same amount of nicotine as every other cigarette of that brand.

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    2. Re:Might be? by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So that's not quite a successful quit yet, but in terms of harm reduction it's looking good so far. Since I can control the strength of the liquid by mixing it myself, I'm working on a very long, gentle taper down.

      SINNER! Repent and accept our righteous anti-smoker ways! You're polluting us! You smell bad! People like you are scummy addicts who should be locked away in jail!

      Or something. Look... the fact is, the anti-smoker contingent is trying to ban e-cigs and government is trying to tax the hell out of them because they look at it as people 'escaping' their 'public health' tax... so it's a match made in heaven.

      What's really telling is that I was sucking on an e-cig in a hospital... and no doctor or nurse said a word. Wanna know why? Because it's not harmful to them or their patients... and it's no worse than a patch. They want people to quit. The jury's still out on whether e-cigs help with that, but they clearly don't hurt... and from a harm reduction standpoint, they're about a hundred times better.

      But... no matter. You are a sinner, a scumbag... an addicted fool we need to tax every penny from... for your own good of course!

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    3. Re:Might be? by RussR42 · · Score: 2

      Good advice. I would add that finding loose tobacco that is nothing but tobacco (no additives or wacky processing) can help a lot too. I did exactly that and for the first week or so I couldn't smoke enough of them. It wasn't satisfying in the same way as the manufactured cigarettes of the processed rolling tobacco. After the initial transition I noticed that I dropped to 75% or less of my previous smoking level and didn't feel the need to smoke as strongly or as often. I don't know what those guys are doing to the tobacco in manufactured smokes, but it's something evil.

    4. Re:Might be? by AbRASiON · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Further anecdotal evidence:

      Every person I know who has tried e-cigs seems to feel better and find it's something they can stick with. I'd rather everyone were addicted to those horrible things than the ghastly alternative, at least it's a start.

    5. Re:Might be? by eriks · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Another anecdote: Me. Almost exactly a year ago I was a smoker, then a year minus one day ago, I was an "e-cig" vaper. I made the switch that easily and quickly. And (so far) it has been a tobacco *replacement* not a route for quitting, though I can see how it could be, I'm just not using it for that it. There was an initial learning curve and expense, but now it's cheaper, and (theoretically) safer. Nicotine is *not* a harmful drug. The low doses vapers or smokers consume are decidedly non-harmful, when compared to *many* other substances that modern humans typically eat, drink and inhale. It's demonstrably non-carcinogenic. Though I guess we can't expect a rational response to the dangers of ingested substances with the state of things being as they are.

      I wish we had hundreds of thousands of people marching in the streets chanting "Be Reasonable!" and "Use Science, not Fear", and maybe even "Have a Heart!".

    6. Re:Might be? by gringer · · Score: 2

      I don't know what those guys are doing to the tobacco in manufactured smokes, but it's something evil.

      Current research (done by someone I was in biomedical science classes with) suggests that monoamine oxidase inhibitors may have a role in the increased addiction of cigarettes over plain tobacco -- although that article in particular suggests people using roll-your-own tobacco may have a harder time quitting.

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    7. Re:Might be? by arkhan_jg · · Score: 2

      Myself and my wife have both switched to e-cigs full time - myself for 6 months, her a bit more reluctantly and recently. The tobacco analog flavours are pretty nasty, but then I neve actually liked the taste of tobacco anyway - it's the act of smoking and nicotine itself I'm addicted to. Now she smokes a menthol mix, and I'm a fan of fruit flavours.

      I've tried to quit many, many times during a 23 year cigarette habit. Patches, gum, straight cold turkey, Allan Carr, you name it, I probably tried it. Longest time was a year before stress got me smoking again. The day I had an e-cig, I've not had a single tobacco cig since. My phlegmy cough is gone, my sense of taste is much better, I don't reek of smoke (going back and smelling an old coat that I wore while smoking just smells rank - when you smoke, you don't realise HOW stinky you are to non smokers). I also feel better.

      Nicotine itself is highly addictive, but in stimulant terms isn't much different to caffeine. It's the tar, carbon monoxide, benzene and all the other carcinogens as byproducts of combustion that are really terrible for your health.

      We're still on the hunt for the perfect clearomizer that gives the right combination of warmth, vapour quantity and reliability (some tanks crack very easily), but generally it's been a very easy transition for me. My wife struggled at first as the amount of vapour wasn't enough for her in comparison, but a dual-coil seems to have fixed that, and we hand-mix the liquid as we both prefer a different mix of PG to VG. I am slowly tapering my nicotine mix down (currently at 8%, which is already pretty low). I'm still hoping to quit outright at some point.

      Are they 100% safe? Don't know. Most studies have shown no risk, and the worst impact has been some inflammation in those with existing breathing conditions. Given the components of the liquid are all individually safe for consumption in other products, as long as you get it from a reliable supplier that doesn't use cheap chinese contaminated liquid, it should be pretty safe. It's certainly a lot safer than the known highly dangerous tobacco cigs. I'd have no problem with goverments ensuring product purity by regulation and enforcing age restrictions - all the sellers I know insist on 18+ only, and are entirely upfront about the dangers of nicotine.

      Yet European legislation is lining up to class them as medicines, and defacto ban e-cigs, as they obviously don't have a health benefit in and of themselves - only in relation to the alternative. It seems ludicrous to try and ban a product that is at worst far less dangerous than cigarettes, when cigarettes themselves don't have to clear the same proposed hurdles.

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    8. Re:Might be? by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      So long as you leave cigarettes legal and available your argument is pointless. The teenagers will simply choose the greater evil if they can't get the ecigs. Also this is an extremely cheap activity, so you can rest your worries about that concern. I used to smoke, and occasionally, like 6 times a year, use an ecig when drinking too excess.

  3. Pulling An All Nighter On Caffeine & Nicotine by wrackspurt · · Score: 2

    Caffeine and nicotine got me through all nighters cramming for exams but quitting smoking was one of the hardest things I've ever done. It took me 9 years of trying and failing to quit to finally kick the habit. I think I just got too embarrassed to once again claim to be quitting. I don't know the neuroscience but caffeine and nicotine are powerful stimulants. I might go for E-cigs if there's no bad health side effects.

  4. Re:Personal Responsibility!!1 by iggymanz · · Score: 2

    bullshit, a real libertarian would say if someone wants to use something less dangerous to themselves and others to get their nicotine, let them pay for it, let companies sell it

  5. Not Intended for Quitting by skine · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As someone who got into e-cigs relatively early (2009) and still vapes, it's important to note that they are NOT really meant for quitting. Sure, it's possible to quit using them, but they are more intended to be a replacement device. It's only quitting in the sense that you're not using traditional cigarettes anymore.

    Why are they catching on?

    1. They are (likely to be) healthier. Sure, some will say that e-cigs contain ingredients present in anti-freeze. These same ingredients, though, are also found in rescue inhalers, fog machines, and Twinkies. Mostly, though, they don't contain all of the tar and poisonous substances we all know are present in other cigarettes.

    2. You don't smell like burnt paper, and don't make you smell like burnt paper for the rest of the day. Pretty self-explanatory.

    3. (Or 2a) You can vape indoors, and stealth-vape. Smoking outdoors is fine eight months of the year here in Upstate NY. The other four months - and all of the days it's raining - having to go outdoors sucks. Not only in homes and apartments, but at bars. Also, if I'm in a place where I don't want people to know I vape, I can just go into the bathroom or a toilet stall, and nobody is the wiser. Not the same for a cigarette.

    4. Much easier to maintain a constant buzz. I recently had the charger I've had since the start decide to stop working, so I switched back to traditional cigarettes. I absolutely hated that I felt like hell or got enough of a buzz to make my legs weak.

    1. Re:Not Intended for Quitting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      2. You don't smell like burnt paper, and don't make you smell like burnt paper for the rest of the day. Pretty self-explanatory.

      Smokers don't smell like burnt paper. Burnt paper is actually rather pleasant compared to what smokers smell like. Especially at the end of a long day. That's one of the problems with smokers, they don't realize how bad they smell because they're supressing their sense of smell. Then they get mad at people who can't stand the disgusting smell.

      I completely agree that all smokers should, if they can, switch to the e-cigarettes and that they shouldn't have any restrcitions on them that tobacco products don't have. It doesn't matter if they don't lead to quitting, they're so much better for the smokers and the people around them. Not to mention the decrease in house fires and forest fires.

    2. Re:Not Intended for Quitting by Any+Web+Loco · · Score: 2

      It's not a disgusting smell, it's just a smell that you don't like. To some, it's an acquired taste. Like the smell of cigars, or the taste of anchovies, or whatever. Yes, smokers smell. No doubt. But it's not a disgusting smell per-se.

  6. Re:Creative Definitions by dotgain · · Score: 3, Funny

    Too often I've seen people claim to have "quit using terrible analogies", which is like saying stopped driving a Ferrari and started eating porridge for breakfast.

  7. The reasons are multifarious by stoploss · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I started smoking at age 20. Deliberately. Of my own volition. Primarily for the stimulant effect and secondarily to defy the goddamn anti-smoking meddlers... their disingenuous, logical fallacy-laden TV commercials really induced my rage.

    I collected approximately nine pack-years of cigarette smoking.

    I broke the nicotine physical addiction several times over those years (zero nicotine intake for 3+ weeks); however, what kept dragging me back to smoking was the fact that I mentally identified myself as a smoker. Smoking was part of my identity, which meant that cessation was always in dichotomous tension between "health" and "self". To put it in perspective, I likely self-identified more strongly with the term "smoker" than the term "American".

    I quit my smoking habit permanently the day I had my first e-cig delivered in 2009. A few months later I tried a single cigarette, found the taste revolting, and haven't smoked since then. Smoking is unwieldy and a serious inconvenience during the winter (I never smoked inside my domicile). Downsides of quitting smoking included having my sense of taste/smell return... the world is revolting and ignorance is bliss.

    Notwithstanding, after several years of "vaping" e-cigs inside our home no one has ever been able to tell—my life partner would tell me, because she hates the smell of cigarettes and always comments whenever we are near someone who recently smoked.

    I have given e-cigs to all my smoker friends and relatives. All of these people have subsequently quit smoking (some of these smokers had been engaged in the habit for 30+ years). In fact, they all quit using nicotine altogether, leaving me as the sole remaining individual in my monkeysphere who cultivates a nicotine addiction.

    1. Re:The reasons are multifarious by stoploss · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No, because I didn't pressure them to stop smoking.

      Since this is Slashdot, I believe a car analogy is expected. Let's say you like to drive your gas-guzzling muscle cars. Someday someone gives you a Prius as a gift. Furthermore, that person doesn't ever bother you about whether or not you are using the Prius.

      That's not meddling.

      In contrast to the anti-smoking campaigners, I didn't use guilt, pressure, coercion, or logical fallacies. Instead I sent them the e-cig as a random gift with a note that suggested they try the e-cig as an upgraded nicotine delivery device. However, I never subsequently inquired if they used it. I was actually surprised when they all contacted me to report subsequently ceasing their use of nicotine altogether after using the e-cig.

      Whatever, it's their choice. My personal rule is that I discontinue my addictions when I am no longer enjoying them. Therefore, I was happy they were happy about breaking their unwanted addiction nicotine, even though I find my nicotine addiction to be fulfilling.

  8. Totally Disagree by gumper23 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    E-Cigarettes aren't "as good as" the patch - they are much, much better. I smoked 1-2 packs a day for 28 years and was finally able to quit due to e-cigs. My lungs sound better, I feel better, and I don't stink anymore.

    The patch left me with a rash on my arm.

  9. USB charging by jfdavis668 · · Score: 2

    I just find it strange when people recharge them in the USB port of their laptop.

  10. Re:The problem with these by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 2

    I'm not so sure about that.

    So I'm in a bar this morning to watch some football (Out here in LA, football starts at 10:00AM). Since it's my first time here, I ask the bartender where I should go to smoke--or, more precisely, should I go out onto the patio. She asks if I'm smoking e-cigarettes and I say no. She says the patio is fine. I asked her about e-cigarettes, as there are a few signs around saying that there will be no smoking e-cigarettes on the site.

    Well, according to her, there were people bringing in THC e-cigarettes. It was prevalent enough that they had to ban it--I assume one of those lawsuit-type things.

  11. My Experience by Teknikal69 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Truthful experience here I bought an ecig about 3 years ago to try and get a nicotine fix when my Workplace put a stop to smokebreaks I really didn't expect it to work at all but I've never smoked a single cigarette since that day I even have a full unopened packet in a drawer.

    It wasn't really my intention to stop smoking altogether I just found I didn't need to anymore.

    Probably took about 3 or 4 months until I realised I could taste and smell better, they really do work although I think a lot depends on the quality of the liquid used.

    I'd go as far to say that they have almost certainly extended my life and I couldn't have stopped without one.

  12. Re:Swedish SNUS by dbIII · · Score: 2

    For a moment there I thought you were writing about a oral fixation with Swedish Nuns, and I was about to say I've seen that movie too :)

  13. Re:I'm OK with e-cigs by RussR42 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Good thing you don't get any second hand smoke from ecigs.

    Conclusions: For all byproducts measured, electronic cigarettes produce very small exposures relative to tobacco cigarettes. The study indicates no apparent risk to human health from e-cigarette emissions based on the compounds analyzed.

    It's easy to find a bunch of "what if" that says it's harmful second hand. People that bother to test find levels so low (if at all) that it's not a problem.

    I'll agree to your controls. They can't be used where scientific evidence shows they will harm others. Better get used to the smell.

    “For more than 25 years Smokefree Pennsylvania has been advocating indoor smoking bans. Based on the results of this study I see no reason for e-cigarettes to be included in smoking bans.” - Bill Godshall of Smokefree Pennsylvania.

    “Most vapers believe e-cigarette vapor is not harmful to those around them, but it is reassuring to finally have scientific evidence confirming those beliefs.”- Spike Babaian, President of National Vapers Club

    This is the first study to cover such a wide range of toxins, however previous studies, which have evaluated a smaller number of toxins, have shown similar results.

    “The results of this study confirm the findings of my last 4 years of research. E-cigarettes pose no discernible risk to public health." - Dr. Murray Laugesen - Public Health Medicine Specialist, Health New Zealand

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  14. So, bad then? by seebs · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As I recall, nicotine patches are actively bad for quitting, compared with not using anything. What they perform better than is "placebo" patches which, of course, actually contain small amounts of nicotine. On the grounds that if they didn't you could smell the difference and they wouldn't be a proper placebo. The exact amount of nicotine is not disclosed, last I heard, but the interesting thing is that nicotine addiction appears to be highly responsive to even small amounts of nicotine getting in your system; it's only completely cutting it out that seems to actually help people shake the addiction. (That, and stuff like buproprion, which can short-circuit the addiction mechanism.)

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  15. They helped me in combination with Chantix by big_fish24 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    After 22 years of smoking up to 2 packs per day, increasingly bad health and high prices ... and many previous attempts to quit smoking, I used Chantix plus an e-cig.

    Chantix alone was OK at first, but then I started cheating, grabbing a puff or a half cig. I quickly learned it was the physical habit of taking a drag from a cigarette that was really hitting me. I grabbed a low nicotine e-cig and used it for those cravings (zero nicotine wasn't available locally). An "equals two packs" e-cig lasted me 2 to 3 months and after 9 months I just stopped using that too.

    I've been smoke free for 18 months now. And yes, I had the weird dreams with Chantix ... I liked them!

  16. ecigs not really a good thing... by Eric+Damron · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I understand that e-cigarettes may be able to be used to kick an addictive habit that has horrific health risks. However, it is another addictive pastime that probably has health risks of its own.

    It has the potential of becoming a fad which would hook millions who believe it to be safe into a dangerous and expensive habit. Something the corporate powers would relish being that they consider this a real cash cow and anyone hooked a mere crop to be cultivated.

    If I didnâ(TM)t have morals and I controlled an evil tobacco company I would endeavor to gain control of the e-cigarette market so that I could manipulate the price of both products. That way if tobacco sales started to fall off I could raise the price of e-cigarettes enough to drive customers to the more affordable tobacco products. Back and forth I would cultivate my crops.

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  17. Re:It's not the "tobacco industry" any more by dryeo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Caffeine is pretty addicting and routinely targeted at kids and sold most everywhere in one form or another.

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  18. This is only comparing first generation e-cigs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The two clinical trials on ecigs in 2013 have been conducted using 3.3V batteries that resemble the appearance of tobacco cigarettes. These deveices are often refferred to "cigalikes". Four major Big Tobacco companies have invested in the electronic cigarettes with the automatic function. The patent for this technology is owned by the orginal makers of electronic cigarettes, Ruyan. The automatic function uses piezoelectronic sensor, and Ruyan has been successful in defending it's patents. Blu Cig had to had to settle with Ruyan prior to being purchased by Lorrilard. You can be sure that RJR's Vuse, BAT's Vype and Phillip Morris' MarkTen have or will have to go through similar licencing of the technology. Recently, Imperial Tobacco have considered buying Ruyan's patent.

    However, the major threat to Big Tobacco (and ecig companies specialising in 1st generation cigalike devices such as NJOY and E-lites), are the second generation electronic cigarettes.

    A review of this recent clinical study even made a point about this: http://tobaccounpacked.wordpress.com/2013/09/08/e-cigarettes-versus-nicotine-patches/

    "one issue to be clear on is that the results of the study only really applies to the brand that was tested (which was a fairly low-performance and basic e-cigarette model). E-cigarettes take many different forms and improvements in technology are rapid. If a higher performance ‘second generation’ device that provided better nicotine delivery or better consumer experience were used, results could be different. Hopefully following this study, others will design research looking at this."

    Most second generation electronic cigarettes have the simple button click function, variable voltage/wattage, functioning, far longer charge time, and come with refillable tank systems. An example is the eGo model, orginally designed and patented by Janty, but through Chinese manufacturing, the eGo has been copied, rebranded numerous times, and has now essentially become a generic name for one of the most popular electronic cigarette devices. They look nothing like a real cigarette, and so these products will always have a defence against the extremist anti-smoking group claims that electronic cigarettes undermine efforts to denormalise tobacco smoking. The products offer much more to vapers over the 3.3V cigalikes that Big Tobacco have been investing in, and most long term vapers will recall their initial and 'single' purchase of a cigalike device as a mere introduction to vaping, before quickly moving to 2nd generation devices and refillable tank systems.

    Even if Big Tobacco decide to start gobbling up companies that specialise in 2nd generation electronic cigarettes, it wont be hard for people to simply redesign a battery, have it maufactured in China, and sell them in competition with whatever Big Tobacco are trying to flog. Basically, Big Tobacco's days are very much numbered.

    The only way Big Tobacco will survive is if Bad policy prevails, such as regulating ecigs and nicotine liquids as "medicines", which would raise the barrier to market entry into the millions of dollars, ensuring that only Big Tobacco and Big Pharma can afford to enter the market and acquire sale authorisations. Unfortunately, in the US and EU, polticians who are easily persuaded by Big Pharma and Big Tobacco lobby groups are more than happy to bow to their special interests.

    The nicotine market is very messy right now.

  19. as a non-smoker by Tom · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I really, really welcome them.

    I frankly don't care if you want to kill yourself, now or over time with smoking. But you are poisoning the same air I am breathing and that bothers me. And anything that can solve that is fantastic.

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    1. Re:as a non-smoker by Tom · · Score: 2

      Not the most stupid strawman non-argument in the history of debate, please.

      Just because problem B also exists doesn't mean problem A should be ignored. So unless there is a causal link between smoking and motor vehicles, you're just being a troll.

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  20. I really don't believe this by DrXym · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The problem at this moment is they are being sold as a glamorous replacement for conventional cigarettes. Sexy people looking cool with their e-cigarette in their hands, attractive packaging, celebrity endorsements and all the rest. It's quite obvious they are being promoted much the same way cigarettes used to be as a lifestyle thing not as a smoking cessation product. From a marketing perspective this makes sense - the product is addictive and companies want their marketshare to grow, not be self-limited. But it's not acceptable from a public health perspective.

    I think e-cigarettes *could* be as good as nicotine patches for smoking cessation *if* they were promoted and regulated in the same way. But they're not. At least not yet. I expect most countries will crack down on them in due course.

  21. Re:Personal Responsibility!!1 by Winckle · · Score: 2

    Thanks for pointing that out, I'm not yet familiar with all the new features of HTML5.

  22. Really? by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 2

    Most of the people I know that smoke have switched to e-Cigs, not to quit, but because its not as disgusting as using traditional cigarettes. I know someone that decided to start smoking specifically because he found e-Cigs was not as hard on his lungs as a regular cigarette.

    I don't think these things were created to stop smoking, they were created as a modern 21st century way to get your tobacco fix in a way that doesn't make you smell like a stale ashtray, which might actually cause smoking to increase again which will bring more profit to the tobacco industry.

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