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Social Media Is a New Vector For Mass Psychogenic Illness

Hugh Pickens DOT Com writes "There is an interesting read at the Atlantic where Laura Dimon writes that mass psychogenic illness, historically known as "mass hysteria"—is making a comeback and it appears that social media is a new vector for its spread. Mass hysteria such as the Salem Witch Trials of 1692-1693, the most widely recognized episode of mass hysteria in history, which ultimately saw the hanging deaths of 20 women, spreads through sight and sound, and historically, one person would have to be in the same room as somebody exhibiting symptoms to be at risk of 'catching' the illness. 'Not anymore,' says Robert Bartholomew, a sociologist who has studied over 600 cases of mass hysteria dating back to 1566, noting that social media — 'extensions of our eyes and ears' — speeds and extends the reach of mass hysteria. 'Epidemic hysterias that in earlier periods were self-limited in geography now have free and wide access to the globe in seconds,' says Bartholomew. 'It's a belief, that's the power here, and the technology just amplifies the belief, and helps it spread more readily.' In a recent case, nearly 20 students at a Western New York Junior-Senior High school began experiencing involuntary jerks and tics. Some believe that the Le Roy outbreak was a direct result of videos posted to YouTube by Lori Brownell, a girl with severe tics in Corinth, New York, 250 miles east of Le Roy. The story took off quickly, not just on the local and national news but on Facebook and autism blogs and sites devoted to mental health and environmental issues. Bartholomew warns that there is 'potential for a far greater or global episode, unless we quickly understand how social media is, for the first time, acting as the primary vector or agent of spread for conversion disorder.'"

373 comments

  1. In other news by J.J.+Dane · · Score: 5, Funny

    Psychiatrists identify social media as new source of revenue..

    1. Re:In other news by fredrated · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Non-snark version: Psychiatrists identify social media as new source of hysteria.

    2. Re:In other news by Seumas · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Truth may sound like, but not actually be, snark.

    3. Re:In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Truth may sound like, but not actually be, snark.

      Heavy emphasis on "may". I've come across way too many people on the internet who seem to honestly yet wrongly believe that the snarkier and more condescending a statement is, the more accurate and truthful it must be.

    4. Re:In other news by Garridan · · Score: 4, Funny

      Cynic version: government finds new justification to censor social media.

    5. Re:In other news by Thud457 · · Score: 1

      Cynic version: government finds new justification to censor social media.

      good./grumpycat
      go outside and go to a bar.

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    6. Re:In other news by interval1066 · · Score: 1

      I can't be the only one whose noticed occasioanlly, that people who know me and know my dark sense of humor/irony don't always catch my humor in a chat/posting/email. That stuff is simply hard to put accross without the usual facial queues/intonations.

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    7. Re:In other news by endus · · Score: 2

      My shrink told me she doesn't do social media because all her patients tell her how horrible it is. .......I had just finished telling her how horrible social media was.

    8. Re:In other news by NatasRevol · · Score: 2

      It's cues, facial cues!

      What kind of moron mixes those up! /s for those that didn't read the thread.

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    9. Re:In other news by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      "We had to destroy the First Amendment to save it."

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    10. Re:In other news by epyT-R · · Score: 2

      There might be a correlation there because of society's increasing intolerance to blunt truth, preferring the protection of feelings instead. Sarcasm/snarkiness is the natural response to the 'face saving' and other passive aggressive tactics used to defend feelings from truth.

    11. Re:In other news by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      Well, it seems obvious that it's the facial cues that triggered the hysteria in this case.

      However, given varying qualities of service, I can see visual queues causing similar issues in the future, as the visual stutters along (queuing, please wait....)

      As for your actual question: I presume that's just your dark sense of humour. Never heard've a dark sense of irony. Hard to tell without the facial queues :D Its a tough road to hoe and its ironic that your not going to see there affect because you loose more then someone could've literally said to you.

    12. Re:In other news by strength_of_10_men · · Score: 1

      It's funny because it's true.

    13. Re:In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The phrase is, "a tough row to hoe".

      I'll let you slide on the grammar, but that's just ignorant.

    14. Re:In other news by Quasimodem · · Score: 1

      "Well, it seems obvious that it's the facial cues that triggered the hysteria in this case."

      Here I thought emoticons were invented to transmit facial cues, with or without hysteria triggers.

    15. Re:In other news by Talderas · · Score: 1

      I would like to introduce you to a form of humor called deadpan. Much humor delivered across the Internet is essentially delivered as deadpan.

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    16. Re:In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Non-buzz word version: Psychiatrists identify source of information as potential cause of information-related malady...

    17. Re:In other news by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Uh, that's why I put the /s in my comment.

      Because if I said that without it, most people would think I was serious rather than deadpan.

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    18. Re:In other news by Talderas · · Score: 1

      Do you put /s or say "Sarcasticly speaking" when talking to people face to face? Deadpan is a neutral vocal inflection and a restriction of body language that would indicate that you aren't serious.

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    19. Re:In other news by NatasRevol · · Score: 4, Funny

      Both of which are unavailable on the internet.

      Thanks, though, for the communication etiquette lesson. I really appreciated it.

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    20. Re:In other news by Talderas · · Score: 1

      You're very welcome, my most gracious student.

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    21. Re:In other news by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Alternatively 'a tough road to ho'.

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    22. Re:In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Still gotta be better than a tough ho to row.

    23. Re:In other news by Garridan · · Score: 1

      I'm generally feel the same about the use of social media. However, the democratization of communication is something we must preserve for people to have any hope of staying free in this increasingly technological society.

    24. Re:In other news by CapOblivious2010 · · Score: 1

      I heard that vaccines cause Mass Psychogenic Illnesses in children - pass it on!

    25. Re:In other news by Quirkz · · Score: 2

      This is new? I've been seeing hysteria in various forms on FaceBook since I started using it 7 or 8 years ago. Hysteria about vaccines, about GMO, about diet sodas, about election results. Most of that is just an extension of the general internet mass-circulated hysteria Snopes was created to combat, but it's been there for a while.

      I admit passing along physical tics like some sort of physical meme is a new one, but the hysteria vector has been there for a long time.

    26. Re:In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought Steven Wright had the copyright on deadpan humor.

      dfw

    27. Re:In other news by itsthebin · · Score: 1

      or hysteria via email

      usually signaled by a subject line beginning with FW:FW:FW

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    28. Re:In other news by Seumas · · Score: 2

      Except when bukkake is involved. Bukkake requires facial queues.

    29. Re:In other news by daem0n1x · · Score: 1

      Non-snark version: Psychiatrists identify social media as new source of hysteria.

      Tell me something I didn't know years ago.

  2. People are dumb panicky animals by i+kan+reed · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Truisms aside, this reminds me of the fact that they're still trying to redefine "delusions" in the DSM, because the Internet invalidated the old criteria, which went something like "Things believed by the individual, not supported by observation, and not shared with their social groups."

    The internet made an avenue for crazy people to find similar crazy people, and form social connections with them, in a way that reinforced their own delusions quite directly. I don't think anyone has found a satisfactory conclusion to that problem, because they really don't want something that will classify people's religions as delusions.

    1. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by schlachter · · Score: 5, Informative

      interesting. its like how religious people are not delusional because they have other people that believe what they believe. by all other standards, they would be considered delusional.

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    2. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I don't see any problem with just removing the last part of the phrase, leaving only "things believed by the individual, not supported by observation." It seems to fit well with Wikipedia's definition, "a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary." Religions are delusions.

    3. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by bagboy · · Score: 3, Funny

      The internet made an avenue for crazy people to find similar crazy people, and form social connections with them, in a way that reinforced their own delusions quite directly.

      Umm... the birth of Slashdot?

    4. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Most people tend to believe things based on their social groups. Which is why Republicans and Democrats tend to be clumped together and have similar beliefs on completely unrelated issues.

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    5. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Jmc23 · · Score: 1

      Learn the meaning of 'why'.

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    6. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Except, by no valid standards would they be considered delusional. Dawkins pejorative book-naming choices, and the collection of parrots regurgitating that, is not a serious scientific decision.

      The DSM provides us with a scientific one, perfectly suitable, and it only being challenged because atheists have a fixation on not retracting their clearly-false usage. If a belief is consistent with one's widespread cultural norms (and a "culture" requires more than a handful of people congregating on the Internet), they are no delusional. Period.

      On many given issues, either Republicans or Democrats are factually incorrect. Their beliefs are false. However, neither are not delusional. Stop trying to special-case religion out of all other like circumstances of indeterminate human knowledge because of your personal axe you have to grind.

    7. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by i+kan+reed · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm an atheist myself, but "everyone is wrong about something" is an important mantra to keep in mind. The wrong is more important to human understanding than the right, because it gives you extra lenses with which to examine and expand what you already know. Free speech exists for a reason.

    8. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      How is religion not a delusion? Please explain it to us.

    9. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by MrHanky · · Score: 1

      What? I don't think the DSM is about to redefine delusion, as a psychiatric term, to include truthers, chemtrail-believers and AGW denialists.

    10. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Valdrax · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It seems to fit well with Wikipedia's definition, "a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary."

      Merely being "wrong" isn't sufficient to be a delusion. The sticking detail is "superior evidence to the contrary."

      The problem with religion is that there isn't a lot of evidence one way or the other about the core questions of religion -- the origin of the universe and of life, what purpose we have in life, and what awaits us after death. Specific details of creation stories or certain mythical events in the past have been knocked out in many cases, but religion will not go away so long as those questions are essentially unanswerable with any degree of solid proof.

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    11. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      Because things you learn by authority actually makes up a lot of what you know. Even if you haven't personally substantiated it. Everyone believes wrong things, and that is not identical to delusions, because delusions are caused by non-normal brain activity.

    12. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by minstrelmike · · Score: 1

      interesting. its like how religious people are not delusional because they have other people that believe what they believe. by all other standards, they would be considered delusional.

      To quote Budweiser/NFL: It's only weird if it doesn't work.

    13. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      Lumping people together is almost always a mental shortcut that does yourself and others a disservice.

    14. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If a belief is consistent with one's widespread cultural norms (and a "culture" requires more than a handful of people congregating on the Internet), they are no delusional. Period.

      The DSM definition is idiotic and only a delusional idiot could come up with or believe in something like that.

    15. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      They haven't actually made a change. It was just a serious problem raised with the diagnostic criteria, because a lot of classically delusional people were finding a social group that shared their beliefs.

    16. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Most people tend to believe things based on their social groups. Which is why Republicans and Democrats tend to be clumped together and have similar beliefs on completely unrelated issues.

      I've always wondered why gun owners are expected to be religious. Just because both are (allegedly) Republicans?

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    17. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by i+kan+reed · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because parent to child is a standard kind of learning, and most religion is learned that way. Learned beliefs are seriously distinct from delusional beliefs in nature.

      That wasn't hard.

    18. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, regardless of your clearly-hypocritical stance, you and I do still get to believe our favorite musicians produce objectively good music, despite having no proof of this belief, and without being delusional.

      Thank science.

    19. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by operagost · · Score: 0

      Also like how Internet Atheists believe that they are expert historians, archaeologists, and theologians because other people agree with them.

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    20. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by i+kan+reed · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I like how you Capitalize Groups you disagree with, in order to make them seem like a Cohesive Group.

    21. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      Why?

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    22. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A delusional parent can't teach their child their delusion?

    23. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      Could you seriously justify ending another person's life yourself, if you didn't believe in an afterlife for them?

    24. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      And you are now lumped into the group of people who missed the point of the post.

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    25. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      Yes, it ceases to be a delusion for that child. Human nature has some bugs, but psychiatric disorders are just that, things out of the ordinary, that cause abnormal brain function.

    26. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm ... I strongly believe that things continue to exist when I no longer observe them. This believe is by definition not supported by observation. Should I consult a psychiatric? (Does a psychiatric actually exist, since I currently don't observe one? ;-))

    27. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      Um... okay... that would be the point you clarify to the poor idiot who clearly didn't understand.

    28. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by HornWumpus · · Score: 4, Informative

      When you grow up, you will realize that your favorite musician is not 'objectively good', he or she is 'subjectively good'. In other words 'there is no accounting for taste'.

      You might even stop arguing about who's the best band...It was 'The Sex Pistols'.

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    29. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      "This is not supported by observation" is the premise of your proof by-contradiction(that's what the cool kids are calling sarcasm now) that is flawed. Observing again and seeing things that you lost sight of is a means of (non-absolutely) demonstrating the validity of the belief.

    30. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by idontgno · · Score: 1

      No...I'd have a harder time justifying ending another person's life, with the understanding that it's highly likely that their afterlife is going to be infinitely more horrible than the worst possible current life they're living now. Which is why I don't own any firearms, or anything that is primarily a weapon, even of self-defense.

      But that's just me.

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    31. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      I've never met a republican, religious person or gun owner who justified homicide with that reason.

      It was almost always 'they got what they deserved'.

      They always believed they were the judge, not the supreme being in the afterlife.

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    32. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      Rather than debate a religion I don't believe in's dogma, I'll just say that my CONCLUSION would be that there is plenty of scriptural reason for you to never assume you are capable of judging another person vis-a-vis hell.

    33. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Don't forget vaccination/autism & gluten 'allergies'.

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    34. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      Well, I guess I expect a deeper philosophical examination of such a far-reaching decision than most people are willing to put forth. That makes me a little sad.

    35. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by NatasRevol · · Score: 0

      LOL at 'republican, religious person or gun owner's having deep philosophical examinations.

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    36. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by HornWumpus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That gets most Religious people out of being delusional.

      It does not get 'fundamentalists' out. Their is plenty of 'superior evidence to the contrary' regarding the Genesis creation myth for example. Bats are not birds. Pi is not 3. Jonah was not swallowed by a whale. Mohamed did not travel from Medan to Jerusalem in one night. The mountain did not come to Mohammed. The Emperor of Japan is not descended from gods. etc etc etc

      Fundies are delusional.

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    37. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really looking to get into a weaselly digression of subjective-objective here, but it remains that one can believe that their favorite band creates -objectively- good music, that is, it's good whether or not their friends or critics agree, and not be delusional in believing that without proof.

    38. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Also like how Internet Religious People believe that they are expert historians, archaeologists, theologians, geologists, biologists, and physicists because other people agree with them.

    39. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      nobody cares about your DSM definition. the rest of us are using the English language meaning of the word.

    40. Re: People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might want to list out why You think religion meets the DSM definition of "delusion" first. Otherwise, the only People Who might take Your question seriously are liable to be Those Who already agree with You, an unconstructive exercise.

    41. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Sure, if he needed killing it doesn't matter what happens later. Oblivion or hell, doesn't matter if there was a real world reason (e.g. defense of self, others or property) to kill the bastard.

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    42. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      We care when we're treating people, because we're trying to help people appropriately. Thanks for your lack of concern though. I'm genuinely touched by how little you care.

    43. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by internerdj · · Score: 1

      Sure, all you have to do is come up with a sufficiently justifiable definition of life or perhaps innocent life. At that point you are free to discount anyone else's definition of life even the one you are ending. It is done on both sides of the issue with gun rights/control. It is done with abortion. It is done with capital punishment. It is done with military actions. All of those have religious and irreligious people on both sides of the issue.

    44. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Kielistic · · Score: 1

      It does mean they have a misunderstanding of what objectively means, however.

    45. Re: People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see no conclusive evidence to back Your assertion. Parent, for all evidence presented, might be simply wanting to "keep a clean house", so to speak.

    46. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by hedwards · · Score: 1

      You haven't met many Democrats have you? The Democratic Party is not an organized party. It's what's left of the left. You'd be a fool to suggest that Kucinich and Obama have much in common. The Republicans tend to be clumped together because they ejected anybody that didn't pass their purity tests.

    47. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      That's not a very good way to go about psychiatric care. People often don't have a good sense of their own sanity.

    48. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by gagol · · Score: 4, Informative

      Slashdot is a sane place compared to, say, abovetopsecret.com.

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    49. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Gluten intolerance is actually quite common. There are degrees, it is true that only a couple percent have full blown celiac disease, but there's always people with minor allergies and intolerances that don't rise to the level necessary for a diagnosis or who have similar problems. I didn't realize that I was intolerant to the stuff until I spent a year having to do without. I didn't start to get sick again until I started to eat that crap.

      Just because the medical establishment chooses not to do the research necessary to establish whether or not it's a real problem, does not mean that it isn't a real problem. Up until recently they wouldn't even order a test if you were overweight, because clearly that's not the case with gluten tolerance issues. Similarly, until recently doctors would refuse to diagnose ADHD in adults because all children grow out of it. The typical prevalance is about 4-6% of adults have problems sufficient to warrant a diagnoses. I was personally deeply skeptical of gluten problems until I had to do without. Then I magically got thinner, healthier and generally felt better. Until I started eating wheat again and started to feel like crap.

      Vaccination and autism is quite different. There was never any research to back the claim and a ton of research to back the safety of the shots over the long term. It wasn't until those fraudulent reports started to circulate that people started t believe it. And there's no statistical evidence that removing the chemicals that were blamed has led to a change in the prevalence of ASD.

    50. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Hatta · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Merely being "wrong" isn't sufficient to be a delusion. The sticking detail is "superior evidence to the contrary."

      The problem with religion is that there isn't a lot of evidence one way or the other about the core questions of religion

      The delusion isn't that "there is life after death". The delusion is that any living being knows what comes after death. The delusion is that revelation is a valid form of evidence. The delusion is that the beliefs you were indoctrinated with as a child are correct, simply because you were indoctrinated that way.

      religion will not go away so long as those questions are essentially unanswerable with any degree of solid proof.

      The delusion is that those questions are answerable.

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    51. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Kaenneth · · Score: 1

      The only difference between Religion, Cults, and Insanity is how many people share your delusion.

    52. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. Religion makes bold truth claims with almost nothing to back them up.

    53. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by tolkienfan · · Score: 1

      How can one belief be a delusion for one person but not for another?
      Any definition of delusion that depends on the subject (i.e. WHO is doing the believing) is marred, in my opinion.

    54. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by MunkieLife · · Score: 1

      I would argue that solid direct proof isn't necessary to make an informed judgment about some probability if related / circumstantial evidence is there in abundance. Look back on the evolution of religions, observe the ways in which dogmas come into existence and how their misunderstandings of the world are frequent and almost always built not on logic or observation, but instead on emotional needs and fantasy. So I'd say their system is a broken one not based on anything provable and thus should be ignored.

      What's wrong with just saying we don't know yet? Must people automatically assign religion/ghosts/superstition as our default answer to things we can't yet explain? Religion should go away; I see it as a virus of the mind and killer of logic and critical thinking.

    55. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Kaenneth · · Score: 4, Funny

      Everyone know that bats are actually bugs.

    56. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's arguable. It may be that music aesthetics is ultimately objective, and there actually are absolute answers to whether a given piece of music is good, or bad.

      We just currently do not have an idea as to what methodology to determine that would be.

      Regardless, here we have another case where "misunderstanding" is not synonymous with "delusion", and the attempt to collapse all of epistemology down to "either scientifically demonstrated, or delusional" is equally absurd. Full circle.

    57. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Everyone gets intolerant if you don't eat it for a year.

      Same with dairy.

      Doesn't mean you're allergic to it.

      Also, only about 1% of the population has celiac disease.

      But given that wheat is so common in our foods, trying to avoid it (which makes you more intolerant to it) seems rather daft unless you have an actual medical condition like celiac disease.

      Most gluten-free diets, at least that I've seen, are from over-neurotic mothers trying to protect their kids from everything.

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    58. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The wrong is more important to human understanding than the right, because it gives you extra lenses with which to examine and expand what you already know.

      Indeed. My late father-in-law, who was both an MD and a systems engineer with an interest in the human mind, became a psychiatrist because "you can lean a lot about a system by the ways it breaks".

    59. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by internerdj · · Score: 1

      Well they don't have a good sense of their own sanity, but typically every one of us has a number of mild psychological problems. We need treatment when those problems are severe enough to become a hinderance on our own normal operation or the safety of others. At least that is how psychology was taught to us. If it has changed then I sure would like to know.

    60. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Normal person: I read this science book. It says X. Conclusion: Accept X as "scientific fact" until there's evidence to the contrary.

      Delusional person: Some authority says X is true. Conclusion: X is objectively true. Ignore all evidence to the contrary.

    61. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, no. If someone believes the music they like is objectively good whether or not other people agree, then either:

      1. they dont know what objectively means or
      2. they think of themselves as having knowledge/ability that it is physically impossible for them to have, meaning they are delusional.

      The same applies to moral/ethical stances as well as how to peach cobbler should ~really~ taste.

    62. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've always wondered why gun owners are expected to be religious.

      Says who? Of the folks I know who own guns, most lean atheist/agnostic (and libertarian). Here in flyover country, even (some) Democrats own guns.

    63. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Quasimodem · · Score: 1

      "A delusional parent can't teach their child their delusion?"

      Yes, but when the child reaches the age of reason and doesn't renounce their parent's delusion because they believe -- against all reason -- that what their parent told them must be true, they are delusional.

    64. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the frack does an alleged afterlife have to do with it?

      But then, I only believe in killing in self defense ... although I take a very long range view (timewise) of self defense.

    65. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by i+kan+reed · · Score: 2

      No, cults tend to have a stronger socio-pathic center that engages in knowing manipulation. Religions tend to have the ability to self-sustain in the absence of the cult leaders. And misusing the word delusion to mean "thing you believe that's untrue" does you no service; it only serves to cloud your statement in rhetoric.

    66. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was the clash actually. The Sex Pistols only achieve a 4.5 on a 10 point scale I just made up.

    67. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What is "left" about the Democratic Party? Seems "right of center" to me (a random European), and GOP at "extreme right".

    68. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by i+kan+reed · · Score: 2

      Psychology isn't medically diagnostic in nature.

    69. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      Except that's not normal. That's quite irregular.

    70. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Nonsense. The delusion here is that of objectivity.

      Some people like fucking opera. Others actually like 'adult contemporary music'. I new one dude who liked Yawnee. There is no accounting for taste.

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    71. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by hedwards · · Score: 1

      This is why I don't respect skeptics. I tend to be rather skeptical myself, but your explanation is far less likely than a simple food intolerance.

      If wheat wasn't the cause of the problems to begin with, then how do you explain the fact that I started feeling so much better with days of giving it up and started to feel like garbage again within days of eating it regularly again?

      Also, gluten intolerance is a medical condition. It really does exist and there really are people that feel like crap until they stop eating the stuff. What's more, precisely why does it matter to you? I feel like garbage when I eat that crap, unless you're a wheat farmer it makes no difference to you.

      BTW, Celiac disease is one type of intolerance to wheat, as in an autoimmune problem that's stimulated by wheat, it's separate to the issue of wheat allergies and other intolerance.

    72. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 1

      the origin of the universe and of life

      Science currently explains both of these without resorting to supernatural mysticism.

      what purpose we have in life

      Begging the question. How do you know we have a purpose in life to begin with?

      what awaits us after death

      Usually burial or cremation. Statistics are available.

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    73. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, deep philosophical examinations only count as long as they come out with the "correct" properly established answer.

    74. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by vux984 · · Score: 2

      Any definition of delusion that depends on the subject (i.e. WHO is doing the believing) is marred, in my opinion.

      The definition hinges on "why you beleive" not "who you are", which makes perfect sense.

      Beleiving something an authority figure told you is quite different than a belief with a spontaneous genesis.

      If I spontaneously and without evidence believe my neighbor lady is in witness protection because she used to do hits for the mob, and is now an informant to the FBI that's delusional.

      If I believe precisely the same thing, because a trusted family member in the FBI told me so. Then at worst I'm gullible, but not delusional.

    75. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Jmc23 · · Score: 1

      Because your usage and the resultant meaning of the sentence does not follow logically if even your first statement is taken to be true.

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    76. Re: People are dumb panicky animals by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      Your need to include a metaphor has muddied whatever your point was beyond recognition. What do you mean?

    77. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Good point, it's really hard to be always right. No one has ever done it except people who are medically braindead from birth.

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    78. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > the core questions of religion -- the origin of the universe and of life, what purpose we have in life, and what awaits us after death

      1. check out the Big Bang theory
      2. there is no purpose in life, choose your own and realize that if life had a purpose it'd be utterly boring
      3. nothing awaits us after death

      no need for solid proof

    79. Re: People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sham 69.

      The Clash and the Sex Pistols sold out.

    80. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      Because existential judgement allows for an unreasonably taken life to receive "another chance"

    81. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      My problem isn't with you, I'm sure you and many other people do have serious issues with intolerance.

      But there are millions of moms who are making their kids intolerant by removing it from their diet, for no good reason.

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    82. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Atheist Gun Owner here. also Independent.

    83. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What?

    84. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by MrHanky · · Score: 1

      Research suggests non-celiac wheat allergies actually do exist. Research. Of course, people erroneously self-diagnosing from stuff they've read on the internet and elsewhere also do exist. That does not make you an expert on wheat intolerance, though.

    85. Re: People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pi is a rational number. 355/113 is close enough that the physically possible measurement to determine the radius to circumference is no closer.

      For all practical physical purposes, 355/113 is exactly Pi.

      It makes one wonder why they always foist off 22/7 as good enough.

    86. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      lol learn how to read, bro. The usage makes sense.

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    87. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      I'd be willing to be there's a lot more erroneous self(and child)-diagnosis than there are actual wheat allergies/intolerances.

      PT Barnum made a career of bets like that.

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    88. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by sjames · · Score: 1

      Or he meant to indicate 'strong atheists', those who believe that the existence of a God is actually an impossibility as opposed to those who just don't personally believe.

    89. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's totally why he capitalized internet, and why his post practically sweated contempt.

    90. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by sjames · · Score: 1

      That doesn't stop the religious right from demanding vengeance when it has been made perfectly clear to them who does and does not have that right.

    91. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by sjames · · Score: 1

      Never heard "kill 'em all and let God sort them out?"

    92. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by sjames · · Score: 1

      Then you'd have republican psychiatrists trying to apply the label to all Democrats and vice-versa.

    93. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Valdrax · · Score: 2

      I would argue that solid direct proof isn't necessary to make an informed judgment about some probability if related / circumstantial evidence is there in abundance.

      The problem is that the circumstantial evidence is of the "absence of evidence" form. I have yet to see anything persuasive that argues for a purely materialistic universe over a mostly hands-off "watchmaker" universe or a subtle, "works in mysterious way" interpretation.

      [Religions are] always built not on logic or observation, but instead on emotional needs and fantasy. [...] What's wrong with just saying we don't know yet? Must people automatically assign religion/ghosts/superstition as our default answer to things we can't yet explain?

      There's absolutely nothing wrong with saying, "I don't know." In my opinion, it's the most logical answer. It's not my answer, but it's at least one I hold a strong intellectual respect for. However, I assert that it's not unreasonable in the absence of an objective answer to rely upon a subjective one.

      Many people I know feel a strong, personal connection with God. There's no way to objectively prove from the outside whether this is a real thing or just some weird misfiring of the brain, and to those who experience it, it seems very real. So, if there is no way to prove of disprove a subjective experience, is it more logical to assume it's not real or to treat it as real? (I don't know that there is a "right" answer to that, but I'm sure many philosophers have spilled a lot of ink on both sides of that debate.)

      Religion as you say, does fulfill an emotional need, and that should not be dismissed lightly as a sense of purpose and a foundation for deciding right and wrong are important to human psychological health and happiness. Some people can find those answers without religion, but not all or most even. And those that do don't always do so for rational reasons nor behave rationally as a result.

      See, it's not religion itself that's really the cause of the social ills it gets blame for. Wars of dogma, intolerance and smug, judgmental treatment of others, purges of the unbelievers, and the abandonment of critical thinking all happen in anti-religious societies too. Witness the Soviet Union, China, and Cambodia. The terrible cult of personality surrounding Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot led to untold suffering at the hands of zealots out to destroy the old, religious ways as competitors to their belief system.

      The problem is that humans are pack animals, rigged by evolution to support people close to them (e.g. tribes, clans, families, etc.) and to treat everyone else as competitors to be destroyed. We seek means of identifying who is "one of us" and who is "one of them," and religious intolerance is just a symptom, not the true causa causans.

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    94. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by theskipper · · Score: 1

      The thing that really makes it worse is that modern science has been folded into the delusion mix. Like the whole Jenny McCarthy anti-vaccine travesty, it's almost impossible to innoculate a broad audience against the scientific misinformation that appears on Oprah, The View, the Copeland megachurch shows, etc.

      In the pre-media conglomerate days, a delusion that was demonstrably false would dead-end relatively quickly. Only a small set of people would remain believers and be (appropriately) labeled as "crazies".

      Now within days any pseudoscience crap can go straight into the cultural "fact" database. There's too much info being dumped into the social toilet and few plumbers to actually debunk most of it. So the toilet simply clogs.

      Ditto for politics.

    95. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by narcc · · Score: 1

      You can't reason with the bottom 10% of skeptics like that. They can't handle anything outside the pitifully simple rhetoric handed down to them by the big-names that, well, are quite obviously taking advantage of their ignorance.

      They tend to be positivists (the philosophical equivalent of geocentrists) which should indicate to you that they're not well equipped to handle things like science, evidence, reason, and logic.

      The best they can do (and they genuinely feel important doing this) is to shout simple slogans like "religious people are delusional" and "ghosts don't exists" as though they were saying something unique, interesting, or informative.

      They're a lost cause. You can't make them think.

    96. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by narcc · · Score: 1

      I don't know about that. If a kid suddenly decides that everything their parents told them was a lie, I'd say that the kid was clearly delusional.

    97. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by narcc · · Score: 1

      How about:

      "Also like how Internet Atheists believe that they are expert historians, archaeologists, theologians, geologists, biologists, and physicists because other people agree with them."

      Even better:

      "Also like how Internet People believe that they are expert historians, archaeologists, theologians, geologists, biologists, and physicists because other people agree with them."

      That's a neat game, loads of fun.

      Oh, you thought you were saying something insightful? Sorry about that.

    98. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup. If they're threatening me or my family they have given up their right to life.

      Not a hard thing to do.

    99. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by MrHanky · · Score: 1

      Highly likely, as weird beliefs about food seem all too fashionable, all the time. I'm sure today's low-carb diets would instantly kill a creature from the eighties, due to the cholesterol.

    100. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Solandri · · Score: 1

      Yeah, when I get into a political discussion with someone who is obstinate in their beliefs (this happens with both liberals and conservatives) I usually ask, "is there anything you're wrong about?" Then, "Now what do you think the chances are that you're right about everything?"

      "The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing." - Socrates

    101. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by narcc · · Score: 1

      Science currently explains both of these without resorting to supernatural mysticism.

      No, it does not. You're clearly confused. Science does not work that way.

      Begging the question. How do you know we have a purpose in life to begin with?

      That's completely outside the scope of scientific inquiry.

      Usually burial or cremation. Statistics are available.

      That's also not a scientific statement. It's a conclusion drawn from a set of metaphysical assumptions. That's not science.

      I'm tempted to call you delusional, but I'll stick with "woefully misinformed".

    102. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Again, you are wrong EITHER WAY.

      Either you admit large domains of subjectivity, in which case it is hardly rational to call those holding one view or the other "delusional", or you don't, in which case there is nothing delusional to holding an opinion based on belief the question is objective, whether one is ultimately correct in their conclusion or not.

      No logical path here gets you to "prove it or you're delusional" in the particular case you care about here (religion), and contradict yourself a hundred times a day on other equivalent topics.

    103. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually misusing the word delusion that way, harms how we view and deal with delusions that significantly impare a person's life. Just because something is outside of established norms doesn't mean it is helpful to treat it. In fact in some cases such as conversion therapy, trying to "normalize" a person could do significant harm.

    104. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by intermodal · · Score: 1

      I guess that works on some levels, but on others it does not. It would be unreasonable to argue that Eric Clapton, as an individual, is not an objectively good guitarist, even if you don't like his material. He plays the guitar very well by any standard, performing the task sufficiently. However, you are correct to identify the majority of songs or bands are only objectively good. In fact, you may love or hate every song Clapton ever played, and from your subjective point of view, you will be correct, but it will not be an objective fact.

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    105. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Solandri · · Score: 1

      The problem with religion is that there isn't a lot of evidence one way or the other about the core questions of religion -- the origin of the universe and of life, what purpose we have in life, and what awaits us after death.

      Likewise, the problem with atheism is the belief that everything that's true can be proven with evidence. That's simply not the case. The universe doesn't resolve into True and False. It resolves into True, False, and Cannot be Determined. That indeterminate state arises even in purely logical constructs.

      So requiring evidence before you'll believe something is fine if you can eliminate the Cannot be Determined state beforehand (e.g. you set up an experiment to produce either a positive or a negative result). But it's a logical error to disbelieve something merely because of a lack of evidence. Some people theorize that black holes lead to a separate universe. They can't produce any evidence to prove it, but that's not sufficient for me to say with certainty that they're wrong. It simply Cannot be Determined, at least not while we're operating within the confines of our universe's laws.

      People (both the religious and atheists) need to get over themselves and realize that there are some things which can never be determined with certainty to be true or false.

    106. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 1

      the origin of the universe and of life

      Science currently explains both of these without resorting to supernatural mysticism.

      No, it does not. You're clearly confused. Science does not work that way.

      Scientific explanation of the origin of the universe and life. Looks like my confusion isn't an issue here, and that science does work that way.

      what purpose we have in life

      Begging the question. How do you know we have a purpose in life to begin with?

      That's completely outside the scope of scientific inquiry.

      Indeed, the meaning of life is outside the scope of scientific inquiry. That's a rather pedestrian observation, so I'm not sure why you're bringing it up. Also, that's a bit of a non sequitur argument, since the scope of scientific inquiry has nothing to do with begging the question. Begging the question is a [informal] logical fallacy, and is itself outside the scope of scientific inquiry. Also, let me save you the effort: non sequitur arguments are also outside the scope of scientific inquiry.

      what awaits us after death

      Usually burial or cremation. Statistics are available.

      That's also not a scientific statement. It's a conclusion drawn from a set of metaphysical assumptions. That's not science. I'm tempted to call you delusional, but I'll stick with "woefully misinformed".

      Well, I'm not sure why you're so hung up on characterizing everything as a scientific statement or not. Regardless, this was an objectively verifiable statement. Most people (in western society) are subject to burial or cremation after death. It's a conclusion drawn from a set of empirical observations. That's not science, in that there was no hypothesis, and there was no experiment. It is, however, fact.

      Since I'm so "woefully misinformed" (unattributed quote?), I anxiously await the deluge of information you'll no doubt provide to counter any/all of my points. I guess I'll be learning a lot about your opinion on what statements are not scientific. Maybe if I'm really lucky I'll even get you to address any of the points I brought up, sans hand-waving.

      Bonus points if you manage to provide context by using slashdot's <quote> tag, and a trophy if you can manage to retain all relevant context instead of just throwing it away again.

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    107. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by hedwards · · Score: 1

      I see no harm in removing it even in cases where there isn't a medical condition. Ultimately, even for people that don't have a sensitivity or allergy to gluten, most sources of wheat are in processed foods. And one is generally best keeping that stuff to a minimum anyways due to the various other problematic ingredients.

      Ultimately, the reason it's hard to avoid wheat in America is because until recently few people were doing so. But as more people avoid wheat, it gets easier to do. And considering that wheat doesn't contain any essential nutrients that aren't otherwise available, I don't see any reason to care.

    108. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, you are simply completely wrong. You could not have read 100 pages into the most introductory Philosophy 101 text without encountering debate on various things as being ultimately objective or subjective, by defining figures of the history of Western Philosophy. Plato knew exactly what he was saying in his view that Forms were objective, though he had not the ability to prove this, and even in the face of others claiming concept-formation was subjective. There is no contradiction in his stance then, or now. Perhaps you suffer from a lack of understanding as to what "objective" means, but I do not. Your ludicrous claim that Plato was delusional in his views, only underscores your thorough incompetence to speak on this issue.

    109. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      He's a skilled musician. That can be objectively measured. Good is a matter of taste.

      Take another case: The Beatles were _not_ a skilled musicians. Many people still like their dreck.

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    110. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      The delusion is that any living being knows what comes after death.

      Of course we know what comes after death. Rot. Seriously, go look at some dead critters. Not much mystery.

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    111. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by narcc · · Score: 1

      Scientific explanation of the origin of the universe [wikipedia.org] and life [wikipedia.org]. Looks like my confusion isn't an issue here, and that science does work that way.

      First, being able to posit a naturalistic explanation does not make that explanation scientific. Science does not work that way.

      As to your links, try reading them. You'll quickly discover why the second falls under the above, and the first does not address the parents claim.

      On your ridiculous "begging the question" paragraph: You couldn't possibly be more wrong. To commit the fallacy "begging the question" you must be making a logical argument in which one of the premises assumes the conclusion. You used the term in an informal way, but not in such a way as it relates to the (or any other) logical fallacy. Nor was the parent making a logical argument and could therefore not have committed a logical fallacy in the first place.

      I blame the late great Carl Sagan for his well-intentioned (but worse than useless) baloney detection kit. It popularized the concept of logical fallacies, but didn't popularize logic! Now, every autodidact science cheerleader on the internet thinks they understand formal logic and what a logical fallacy is (even though they haven't a clue) and misuse them (and those they completely make-up) at every opportunity.

      When I see someone say "logical fallacy" on the internet now, I assume that they're a moron. It's worked out well so far. I just wish I could get them to stop spreading anti-scientific nonsense under the guise of "improving" the public understanding of science.

      Regardless, this was an objectively verifiable statement. Most people (in western society) are subject to burial or cremation after death. It's a conclusion drawn from a set of empirical observations. That's not science, in that there was no hypothesis, and there was no experiment. It is, however, fact.

      Sure, but it does not in any way address the parents comment! Did you not understand him or are you being purposefully obtuse?

      Maybe if I'm really lucky I'll even get you to address any of the points I brought up

      Oh, you actually think that your post was coherent? Too funny!

    112. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by intermodal · · Score: 1

      I think we largely agree except on the terminology. Conceptually, we seem to be on the same page.

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    113. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      Could you seriously justify ending another person's life yourself, if you didn't believe in an afterlife for them?

      Easy. 1 life= another life. If you threaten the life of me or someone around me, I am justified to take your life to protect my life/the life of another person. That's also why I support capital punishment. Not as a deterrent, but as a punishment. Take a life in cold blood, you forfeit the right to yours.

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    114. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      When you grow up, you will realize that your favorite musician is not 'objectively good', he or she is 'subjectively good'. In other words 'there is no accounting for taste'.

      There's a lot of wisdom to this. I picked up on it early because I tended to like things the people around me apparently didn't (not in a hipster way where I liked things before they were cool--okay, except for Moby--but I just liked things I couldn't get my friends to listen to). I can remember having an aggravating conversation in my twenties with a seventeen year old who kept insisting "this band sucks" and "that band can't play." I wanted to shake her and say "no, you just don't like them, there's a difference," but didn't think she'd get it.

    115. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Thank god they're not little flying squids. That would be terrifying.

    116. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      While your example is valid for that case, it is an extreme example. More likely, there would be unusual behavior that would lead the delusional person to believe their neighbor was in the witness protection program. It might be something as silly as the neighbor looking like a character from a fictional TV program that looks like their neighbor. In this case, the person is still likely delusional, but the belief isn't spontaneous. Their reason is just dismissed.

      I'm not arguing who is delusional, but your definition leaves much to be desired. A similar example would be that your neighbor believes that their dog has human level intelligence and speaks to them. Delusional or not?

    117. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by gagol · · Score: 1

      For ones interrested in a great show, cook popcorm and go read it, hours of laughter.

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    118. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Or, huge amounts physical evidence has shown what any sane person would consider proof that their parent was a pathological lair.

    119. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Or, they are delusional, but since that particular type of delusion is common and generally not harmful, everyone just ignores it. Any psychiatric disorder definition that would require the disorder be diagnosed as part of it's symptoms is worthless.

    120. Re: People are dumb panicky animals by tolkienfan · · Score: 1

      That example is arguable in both cases. Neither would be delusional if I were defining it.
      What if someone trusted (your parent, maybe) told you that his car turns into a dog when no one is looking and roams the neighbourhood stealing sausages, which it then turns into gasoline, and you believe it?
      You can't seroiusly claim you want the definition of delusional to exclude that?

    121. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by narcc · · Score: 1

      Or, huge amounts physical evidence has shown what any sane person would consider proof that their parent was a pathological lair.

      There's evidence, for example, that god doesn't exist? That would be some pretty big news. (Not just for religious people; think of the consequences for science, philosophy, etc.) Did I miss the Slashdot headline?

      Unless your comment was just out of context, and you really do mean that the kid is exposed to evidence that suggests that their parents are pathological liars. That's a different story.

    122. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      That is why psychologists would encourage "mass hysteria". Once it reaches critical mass, it stops being non-normal, starts being normal, and the in the blink of an eye, the victims are cured of their delusions.

    123. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 2

      You can't reason with the bottom 10% of skeptics like that. [snip] They're a lost cause. You can't make them think.

      I agree completely. It's embarrassing for the rest of us who consider Religion a serious problem that needs to be addressed.

      Using empty-headed, evidence-free arguments is usually the domain of the God-botherers. Anyone considering themselves a sceptic should damn well know better.

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    124. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      But he's talking about their delusion rather than everything they've ever taught the kid. In that instance yes of course you would be correct, but I'm not sure that's how the OP framed his/her point.

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    125. Re: People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Flamebait

      Most of the incredibly brilliant people I know are strongly skeptical. Some of them I know to be Atheists. Scientists tend to hold skepticism in high regard. Whereas you don't? You probably think faith is a good thing. I suppose if you want society to return to the dark ages, you are correct.

      You didn't bring anything to the discussion. Likely because you don't have the mental capacity to either follow the discussion (what you replied to was about whether the term delusion depended on the subject) or reply cogently.
      It's people like you that make me hesitant to come to slashdot. The discussions get interesting, but pricks like you come flaming and adding nothing to the discussion. You're worse than penis enlargement spammers. At least they're in it for the money. You just like attacking groups unlike you.
      Move somewhere in the middle east, where things are much closer to the dark ages you obviously yearn for.
      Give up. You're clearly a case of Dunning Kruger.

    126. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by narcc · · Score: 1

      I can agree with that. I may have been overreaching.

    127. Re: People are dumb panicky animals by tolkienfan · · Score: 1

      Even the DSM definition doesn't make a distinction between beliefs that are taught and those that appear spontaneously.

    128. Re: People are dumb panicky animals by tolkienfan · · Score: 1

      The definition most certainly doesn't hinge on why you believe.
      Otherwise something true could be a delusion!
      That claim isn't even supported by the original DSM definition.

    129. Re: People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There should be plenty of evidence, if he does, in fact, exist.
      That would make even bigger headlines.

      Unless you're talking about a god who merely started the universe and takes no further role or action. I make no claim regarding the existence of such a god.

    130. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Religious people are not delusional. They are stupid (cannot see the truth themselves) and misguided (have been presented with a surrogate for the truth they readily accept). Many also display signs of the Dunning-Kruger effect. Completely consistent with effects observable in politics, advertising, and other areas.

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    131. Re: People are dumb panicky animals by Velex · · Score: 1

      Also telling how people who want you to believe in ghosts and sky wizards are similarily unable to present coherent evidence.

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    132. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol you retard

    133. Re: People are dumb panicky animals by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Otherwise something true could be a delusion!

      Why would that be inconsistent? What makes you think we couldn't diagnose someone as delusional despite them being coincidentally correct?

      What did we not too long ago call someone who claimed that every phone call you make, every text message you send, and every email is recorded by the government. That they are spying on everyone including the president and the supreme court, and the have even bugged the UN. That they have inserted back doors into routers, and other network infrastructure, and as a result have compromised most the encryption on the internet?

      The question to the people who thought that, in determining whether they are delusional or not is -why- they thought that? Did they read it in the toast pattern on their morning waffles? Did an alien mention it during an anal probing session?

      What if Edward Snowden didn't have the documents to back up his claims? Would we diagnose him as having paranoid delusions? Quite possibly.

      Even today a lot of people accuse Manning of being delusional... seeing massive human rights violations and massive illegal activity in 'business as usual'.

      Was Manning deluded? Or are his critics deluding themselves? Or both? :)

    134. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are so fucking retarded.

    135. Re: People are dumb panicky animals by vux984 · · Score: 2

      What if someone trusted (your parent, maybe) told you that his car turns into a dog when no one is looking and roams the neighbourhood stealing sausages, which it then turns into gasoline, and you believe it?

      Suppose my father confirmed your story? And my grandmother? And my school teacher. And the neighbor. And the pastor at the church. And the mayor of my city. And the president of the united states? They all confirm it.

      Yes, at that point, in the absence of good direct evidence that it WASN'T true then it would be rational to believe it.

      Note though that your particular example has lots of tests. Is the neighborhood really losing sausages? Will my neighbors corroborate the story? Have they seen the dog, lost sausages, or even heard of this phenomena. If I leave sausages in the garage will they be there in the morning. If I watch my parents (and anyone else who habitually uses it) continually for a week, but not the car itself, does it have more gas in it the next day? One can rapidly become skeptical of this claim for a myriad of reasons. The main claims religion makes, in contrast, are not so easily testable --

      Come to think of it... your sausage devouring car story has a lot of similarities to the story many of us believed as young children about a magical rabbit that tours the world in a single night producing and hiding chocolate eggs for them to find. Lots of young kids believe this, based on the word of their parents, other adults around them, and the sometimes elaborate hoax that is played on them. Why do we stop believing in the bunny? Because a we accumulate evidence that its not true, and as we grow up we learn the adults around us don't believe it either, and the hoax is admitted etc.

      But religion? It avoids evidence like shadows avoid the sun, and unlike the easter bunny, the president still proclaims his belief in God and attends church... so while we can discard the bunny between the age of 5 and 10 religion's got a much better hold.

    136. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well normal people are dumb so who cares. Should gas about half the population.

    137. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by vux984 · · Score: 1

      I'm not arguing who is delusional, but your definition leaves much to be desired.

      Merely a clarification that extraordinary beliefs need correspondingly extraordinary evidence. An extraordinary belief with no evidence or weak evidence is a sign of delusion.

      Religious beliefs handed down through parents and respected authority figures, coupled with wide public acceptance of the "truth of religion" qualifies as good evidence to rationally hold the same beliefs, even in the absence of strong personal evidence.

    138. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      You haven't met many Republicans, have you? etc,etc The republicans tend to be clumped together by people like you who can only see your own side.

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    139. Re: People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even by the DSM definition truth cannot be a delusion.

    140. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bingo! The goal of humanity is not to become the outcast!

    141. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Capsaicin · · Score: 1

      Yes, it ceases to be a delusion for that child.

      I wonder if you could provide a definition of folie a deux for us?

      A delusion is simply a fixed belief that is "not amenable to change in light of conflicting evidence." It is not an aetiology. Whether a delusion arises from an organic brain disorder, or whether it arises from education it is remains a delusion.

      Learned beliefs are every bit as capable of being delusional as any other kind of beliefs.

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    142. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Capsaicin · · Score: 1

      The DSM definition is idiotic.

      Delusions are fixed beliefs that are not amenable to change in light of conflicting evidence. -
      --DSM-5

      Delusions are further sub-classified, one species of which are called bizarre delusions.

      Delusions are deemed bizarre if they are clearly implausible and not understandable to same-culture peers and do not derive from ordinary life experiences. --DSM-5

      OPs definition of delusions is a the definition for bizarre delusion not for delusion in general.

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    143. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nobody cares about your DSM definition

      It's not his (or anyone else's) DSM definition. DSM classifies the transmission of a delusion from parent to child under shared psychotic disorder.

      I classify OP as "full of shit."

    144. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      Could you seriously justify ending another person's life yourself, if you didn't believe in an afterlife for them?

      If that person is trying to kill me? Yes. If necessary in self-defense or the defense of another innocent person, ending an attacker's life is justified. And I teach people how to do it.

      I don't believe in an "afterlife" (in the usual sense of that term).

      I don't see any relation between these two concepts.

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    145. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Petfish · · Score: 1

      You say you can't make them think, because they refuse to believe in the same thing as you do, given total absence of evidence. If you bring evidence and if they still don't believe, then you might have something. The fact that you really really want to be believe something means little to some people.

    146. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Petfish · · Score: 1

      What if the kid suddenly decided that the things that their parents told them that lack any evidence are delusional?

    147. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      Nonsense. The Clash could actually play their instruments. If the Sex Pistols were that popular without even being able to play, it is necessarily true that they were objectively better. QED.

    148. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Petfish · · Score: 1

      [Citation Needed]

    149. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      I can go with that.

    150. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Had to google "flying squids" and wouldn't you know... its a thing!!

    151. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by narcc · · Score: 1

      You say you can't make them think, because they refuse to believe in the same thing as you do

      Where did you get that from?

    152. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by jdk1 · · Score: 1

      Getting your world view from slashdot is delusional. Seriously, a bunch of nerds telling people what they should believe?

      Lately it seems like politics and religion get more discussion here than computer related news. It's too bad, because I suspect that most people, like me, read this site because of its technical content.

    153. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by narcc · · Score: 1

      That would be one screwed up kid.

      If you take a moment to think about it, you'll realize that most of the things you believe, you believe without any evidence.

      Deny it if you like, but that would put you square in the 'delusional' camp.

    154. Re: People are dumb panicky animals by tolkienfan · · Score: 1

      I don't think so.

      With science I have the ability to test many of the theories. Those that are outside my reach are at least documented and I have reason to believe the evidence existed. I also have reason to believe that others have recreated the experiments or done their own studies. They attempt to use proven methodology. (Some sciences are more light on evidence, so I trust those less).

      But with religion, there is no expectation that any of it was based on evidence. Quite the opposite: they encourage faith against any opposing evidence. Many people believing there is truth in it doesn't help: they will all have different explanations of why it's true, why it matters, why some pieces should be disregarded and others held gospel.
      Worse of all, religious people see the flaws in OTHER religions.
      They can't all be true. Should we be democratic and simply assume the religion with the most adherents must be true?
      Why should anyone trust their parents (once they reach adulthood)?
      Many things my parents taught me turned out to be false, either because they thought it was true, or because they were protecting me in some way.
      Science is successful at discerning truth simply because it is an attempt to avoid the many traps that humans are known to fall into. Religions don't avoid any of those traps - it embraces them.

         

    155. Re: People are dumb panicky animals by tolkienfan · · Score: 1

      Supposing those people believe it but the majority don't?

      And more importantly, there is no evidence in favor?

    156. Re: People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your definition of delusion is unusable in my opinion, in that it doesn't match that of people you communicate with, or with that of medical professionals. ..

    157. Re: People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree. I think religion does great harm all around the world on a regular basis.
      At a minimum it teaches kids that it's ok to think magically not logically, and to accept things on faith or authority instead of critically. Then they become president, and start wwiii safe in the knowledge that end times has arrived and we'll all be judged and have life ever after.
      Fuck the religious... they will cause the end of the human race.

    158. Re: People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're not telling you what to believe.

      We're telling you you're delusional for believing! :)

    159. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The plain English language meaning of the word "delusion" doesn't include religion, because there is no coherent definition of the word religion. It's probable some "religious" people suffer from delusions, but it's impossible to separate my belief in Jesus, Ruler and King from the standard non-religious belief in the magical and completely crazy belief in, for instance human rights or that somehow out of a bunch of electrochemical reactions in my head, there is something which has subjective experience. Or even that human thought is rational and that, consequently, we are more advanced that other societies. None of these things are based on evidence, and there's even good evidence against them. Nationalism and liberal democracy also are essentially religious, especially when they most fervently deny those claims.

      I mean, you're free to insult people who you don't agree with, but creating a box to put them in is exactly the sort of behavior you criticise them for, and without the humility to accept it, the yous of future generations are going to decry your religious delusions.

      Of course, you'd know all this if you actually cared about scientific research and evidence in fields like psychology and sociology. But because you're above such foolish pursuits, you'd prefer to maintain your delusions. Just, when you're trying to remove people religious people from politics, spare a thought for your forbears who required office holders to subscribe to the Anglican church.

    160. Re: People are dumb panicky animals by tolkienfan · · Score: 1

      That was a very long post for a very simple argument.

      It really falls into a few categories.
      Some things are simply unlikely given our day to day experiences. Why should we believe something that has evidence against it but none for it, even if many others do believe?
      Other things cannot be determined either way, and have no effect whether true or false. Debating such is pointless. A god that "kicks off" the universe but plays no further role falls into this category.
      Yet other things are claimed by some religions but denied by others. Since they can't all be true and there isn't any evidence, why would you believe by default? It seems far more reasonable to be critical and skeptical by default.
      Believing something simply because some others also believe it is ridiculous. Especially when those claiming it disagree on details, and disagree with the majority.
      Some beliefs are simply dangerous. Without evidence they should not be held.

      It seems to me ridiculous to have to defend the default position of skepticism in the event of lack of evidence.
      You don't believe all the claims of every religion, do you? Are you really only claiming that one should only accept *your* religion without evidence?

      Why should I believe any claim without evidence? I claim there exist invisible pink unicorns. I bet you will never believe that.

    161. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol you retard. Keep believing in your made up fantasy shit.

    162. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The plain English language meaning of the word "delusion" doesn't include religion

      Well that's the question under consideration isn't it. Whether the word 'delusion' as commonly understood encompasses religious thought.

      ... it's impossible to separate my belief in Jesus, Ruler and King from the standard non-religious belief in the magical and completely crazy belief in, for instance human rights or that somehow out of a bunch of electrochemical reactions in my head, there is something which has subjective experience ...

      The religious belief as delusion side of the argument isn't being damaged by this evidence. Be that as it may, that was not my point in responding.

      It's interesting how embarrassed some believers have become, that they seem to find it necessary to stretch the meaning of 'religion' to encompass any belief system even if it does not require supernatural agency. And now it has apparently become necessary to stretch the meaning of 'supernatural' as well.

      Really we need only observe that an individual's religious belief ought to be respected as a human right. On the subject of religion, history teaches us, failure to respect another's right to be wrong results in much blood being spilt. Indeed the legal field of human rights, (as does international law), stems from the Peace of Westphalia, coming at the end to a century of non-respect for the other's right to be wrong on the subject of religion. Historically, religious freedom, --the freedom to choose one's own religion, or none, --is the founding right for all other human rights.

      Diluting the meaning of 'religion,' by ascribing it to all systems of belief, risks erasing the special status religious belief holds. It is this special status which makes it inappropriate either to decry religion as delusion or to persecute an individual for their atheism.

    163. Re: People are dumb panicky animals by vux984 · · Score: 2

      With science...

      I'm not suggesting one should put religion in the same category as science in terms of how rational it is to believe in it.

      But with religion, there is no expectation that any of it was based on evidence.

      Exactly. So its perfectly rational not to believe in it. We both agree on that I'm sure.

      However, belief in a religion is not a "delusion" just because its rational not to believe in it.

      Lets take young earth creationism... at this stage of the game I consider that pretty delusional. The only way I could see anyone could rationally believe in it is if their education was badly lacking, their critical thinking skills were badly lacking, and they were surrounded by other people who believed it and who pressured them to believe it.

      Unfortunately those people exist.

      Now lets look back at your reasoned analysis of why belief in science was inherently on a much better foundation. And then start knocking the pillars out... lets take away some of your eduction so you don't really understand the scientific method, the implications of theory - prediction - experimentation - reproducibility. Then lets impair your logic and critical thinking skills a bit. Better still lets also indoctrinate you from birth to distrust scientists and those pushing 'science'.

      Not only would you unable to formulate why science is better grounded than religion, but you'd be hostile and closed minded to anyone who tried.

      You aren't "delusional" for believing young earth creationism, you are still a rational product of your upbringing.... but you are trapped by that upbringing and your circumstances.

    164. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by seebs · · Score: 1

      "Delusion" is about what your basis for a belief is, not whether it's true or not.

      If you believe that the NSA is spying on American citizens because of large volumes of media coverage, leaked documents, and so on, that's not-delusional. If you believe that the NSA is spying on American citizens because you were flipping channels and you heard "watching" from one channel and "you" from the next channel, and then the same thing happened again four days later, and you are pretty sure that can't be a coincidence, you are delusional.

      There are a lot of people who believed that the government was spying on them prior to the recent leaks, who had no valid basis for this belief, meaning that they were delusional even if they were right.

      Basically, it's about methodology. If your methodology is not one we think is generally likely to produce true beliefs more often than false beliefs, then it's not valid, and holding a belief strongly based on an invalid methodology is "delusional" -- meaning, we have a pretty good bet that you will hold other beliefs on a similar basis, and that will be wrong pretty often.

      But "I learned this from my parents when I was a kid" is a pretty good way to learn things; sure, it has errors, but it produces way better than 90% true beliefs in most people, and there's no good alternatives, so "learned it from parents" isn't delusional even if your parents are wrong sometimes.

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    165. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by DrJimbo · · Score: 1

      Hmmm ... I strongly believe that things continue to exist when I no longer observe them.

      According to almost all interpretations of quantum mechanics that belief of yours is demonstrably wrong. A classic example is the double slit experiment. A series of single particle going through a double slit and then hitting a screen will arrive at the screen in a diffraction pattern. It is like each particle leaves the source as a single entity then acts like a wave as it passes through the two slits then reverts to acting like a particle again when it hits the screen. If you assume those particles "continue to exist" in corporeal form then it is impossible for them to form the diffraction pattern that is found in experimental results.

      According to Feynman's path integral approach each of these particles simultaneously takes every possible classical path to get from the source to the screen.

      Einstein said:

      Reality is an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.

      If you doubt Einstein would say something like this, I suggest you read his essay Physics and Reality from The Journal of the Franklin Institute. Vol 221, No. 3, March, 1936. which is also available in his wonderful little book Ideas and Opinions.

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    166. Re: People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can accept that.

    167. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      Should gas about half the population.

      And it's normal people who are the problem?

    168. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by JigJag · · Score: 1

      Bats are not birds.

      They're mammals, because we've decided that anything laying eggs are birds or reptiles (I am voluntarily skipping other arbitrary criteria), and anything giving live births are mammals (again, I'm simplifying here). That's okay then to put bats in the mammals category.

      But this way of classifying is rather recent. If you classified animals in groups using other arbitrary criteria (for instance: if it has 2 legs and flies, it's a bird), then you would put bats with that group.

      You cannot say their classification system got it wrong when you are judging it against your own, different, classification system.

      Let me take another example. Certain cultures associate colours with emotions or situations. Assuming you're Western European or North American, you likely associate mourning with black, while if you were Chinese, it'd be white, or Eastern European it would be yellow, or South American it would be purple (ref: http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/colours-in-cultures/).

      Are all the other wrong because they're not using the same classification as you?

      So it's true, everyone now agrees on the same classification system for animalia based on certain (arbitrary) characteristics. Don't forget it's a recent phenomenon and documents produced prior to using this classification system is not bound by it.

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    169. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by sFurbo · · Score: 1

      That depends on your definition of god. There is no evidence that e.g. a deistic god does not exist. There is evidence that an omnipotent, omnibenevolent god does not exist.

    170. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by sFurbo · · Score: 1

      Things that truly Cannot be Determined does not exist (for some definitions of "exist"). It Cannot be Determined whether an invisible dragon that breathes heatless fire lives in my garage as it makes no difference to anything whether it is there or not, so it makes no sense to claim that it exists. It is the category of Not Even Wrong, and anything that falls into it is not worth the time to discuss, as it literally doesn't make any difference one way or the other.

    171. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. Going to extinct because of them.

    172. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Be fair, the Sex Pistols were just like the Beatles in that regard. They learned to play their instruments after forming the band. All of them but Sid and Ringo anyhow, they never learned.

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    173. Re: People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That doesn't mean you aren't delusional. It means you're delusional with an excuse. You are delusional, and a whiner.

    174. Re: People are dumb panicky animals by jc42 · · Score: 1

      Even the DSM definition doesn't make a distinction between beliefs that are taught and those that appear spontaneously.

      Funny; my first thought when I read the comments about beliefs that "appear spontaneously" is that I've had a number of beliefs like that. The spontaneousness of my beliefs was due to the fact that I'd suddenly seen (or found) firm evidence supporting a specific belief.

      This has to be fairly common. Thus, I've personally seen a number of auto accidents, and in most of them, it was fairly obvious that a specific driver had triggered the accident. To someone who wasn't there, believing that one driver was at fault might be a delusion, but to someone who witnessed the event, the "spontaneous belief" would be based on observed facts and not delusional at all (though still possibly wrong).

      So what else could someone mean by a phrase like "spontaneous belief"? It reads like a phrase that's intended to deprecate someone's beliefs, but I could be misreading it.

      (Note that, in common speech, "belief" simply means anything you believe to be true; it's orthogonal to "factual". This is the basis of people treating things like evolutionary theory or econometric theory or the theory of universal gravitation or stories on Fox News as "beliefs". ;-)

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    175. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by green+is+the+enemy · · Score: 1

      Actual religious belief is most certainly a delusion in the usual sense of the word, as a "belief for no good reason." However, there is definitely a lot of motivation for religious belief. For most people, social pressures win over rational arguments. In the more conservative societies, your life would be absolutely miserable is you do not adhere to the dominant religion. I'm not sure how many religious people actually believe, and how many practice religion because it is expected of them. It's pretty bad in the US too. For example, atheists are underrepresented in the government (are they represented at all?). This situation is far far worse than that for ethnic minorities.

    176. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by narcc · · Score: 1

      That depends on what you mean by 'evidence', doesn't it? Still, I'm curious as to what you think qualifies.

    177. Re: People are dumb panicky animals by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Supposing those people believe it but the majority don't?

      Those 5+ people specifically, were just chosen as examples. Singled out as being presumably more reliable and people that you would take as authority figures, vs 5 random people.

      Whether or not its a "strict majority of people" isn't really the issue, but the idea that its several people you know and/or respect.

      Its also worth pointing out here that the odds of belief in religion appear to be strongly correlated with how much of your social circle believes the same thing.

      I think that's because any doubts you might personally develop are overwhelmed if you are surrounded the unwavering faithful... while if you belong to a circle of mixed religions, and non-beliefs you have a lot more diverse set of beliefs of people you respect ("authority figures") to draw on to develop your own position.

      And more importantly, there is no evidence in favor?

      For most people (ie not young earthers) religion is a largely a metaphysical question, and its evidence depends on how and what meaning you take away from the fact of your own existence and the existence of the universe around you.

      For some that is compelling evidence for others it is no evidence at all. Personally I don't see much point in debating it, except as an interesting philisophical exercise -- I certainly don't think a conclusive satisfactory answer to how and why the universe exists is within our grasp... yet.

    178. Re: People are dumb panicky animals by tolkienfan · · Score: 1

      Doesn't it bother you that many people in a social group coming to the same belief in something clearly false can and does occur spontaneously?
      The cargo cults, for example?

      I think what bothers me most of all is how highly regarded relgion and religious texts and leaders are held. You can't criticise them without blacklash - usually very strong backlash.

      Slashdot is one of the very few places I feel comfortable talking about such things. And the discussions can get very interesting.

    179. Re: People are dumb panicky animals by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Doesn't it bother you that many people in a social group coming to the same belief in something clearly false can and does occur spontaneously?

      Yes.

      The cargo cults, for example?

      Cargo cults are particularly interesting, because unlike a typical religion they had direct evidence that the practices they were attempting to emulate did in fact "work". They'd seen with their own eyes the planes carrying supplies land after the westerners built a runway and then stood on it waving their batons. Surely if they could build a passable runway and wave their arms just so the planes carrying supplies would return...

      Given their complete lack of education and understanding of what was going on, they had reached very rational, albeit completely false, conclusions.

      I think what bothers me most of all is how highly regarded relgion and religious texts and leaders are held. You can't criticise them without blacklash - usually very strong backlash.

      Yeah, as soon as someone ascribes a person or a text or an object as being divine or divinely influenced or doing god's work, it becomes offensive to them to have someone else question it.

      This is deeply flawed critical thinking, and it does bother me that so many people have been indoctrinated to be hostile to introspection and questioning their own beliefs.

    180. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by sFurbo · · Score: 1

      There's quite a lot of things happening that such a god would not allow, but let's start with babies with cancer and tsunamis.

    181. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by narcc · · Score: 1

      The problem of evil isn't exactly evidence, certainly not in the empirical sense. Besides, if you wanted to use an argument, you could have picked a much better argument than that!

      Remember Leibniz'? Do babies with cancer and Tsunamis get you down? All is for the best in the best of all possible worlds!

      No, you're more likely to remember "Bevis and Butthead": "You need stuff that sucks to have stuff that's cool".

      You let me down.

    182. Re:People are dumb panicky animals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might even stop arguing about who's the best band...It was 'The Sex Pistols'.

      Nah man, The Sex Rifles music was much more powerful.

  3. Error in summary by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, 6 of the 20 people executed in Salem MA were men. And one of them (Giles Corey) wasn't even convicted, he just refused to plead and at the time torturing to force a plea was legal.

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    1. Re:Error in summary by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      And one of the men was executed not by hanging but by crushing when he refused to confess as they slowly piled large rocks on top of him.

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    2. Re:Error in summary by minstrelmike · · Score: 0

      Actually, 6 of the 20 people executed in Salem MA were men. And one of them (Giles Corey) wasn't even convicted, he just refused to plead and at the time torturing to force a plea was legal.

      Thank God torture isn't legal anymore, right W?

    3. Re:Error in summary by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      Torture will always be the obvious point to pull out whenever someone says Obama is exactly the same as Bush.

    4. Re:Error in summary by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Actually, he wasn't refusing to *confess*, he was refusing to *plead* (guilty or not guilty). Because if he didn't plead, they couldn't try him, and if they couldn't try him, they couldn't convict him, and if they didn't convict him his property couldn't be confiscated. He figured he was dead already but this way his family wouldn't have to live in poverty. An amazing man, Giles Corey was.

    5. Re:Error in summary by operagost · · Score: 1

      True. Obama just kills them cleanly with a drone so they don't suffer.

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    6. Re:Error in summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/03/us/guantanamo-lawsuit

    7. Re:Error in summary by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      Hey, you find a way to end violence as a means of settling human disputes, and I will commit my life to helping you. Torture has long had a special place as being understood to be unnecessarily cruel.

    8. Re:Error in summary by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      Yeah, too bad republicans didn't let Obama shut that place down. Lindsey Graham is an inhuman monster.

    9. Re:Error in summary by Valdrax · · Score: 4, Informative

      That would be Giles Corey.

      Honestly, by all accounts, he was kind of a stubborn asshole, though his final spiteful triumph has led to him being lionized. It's worth remembering though that he was fined for beating one of his indentured servants to death over a petty theft and is said to have tangled with the law several times afterwards. He was described as "a powerful brute of a man and feared by many in the village." He also attempted to throw his wife under the bus first.

      His irascible personality and conflict with the Putnams is probably the main reason he was fingered as a witch in the first place. Probably any excuse to get rid of the miserable old coot.

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    10. Re:Error in summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since we can't end violence completely, extrajudicial killing of citizens is OK?

      "Don't kill" has a long a special place as an important rule too - try telling this "Christian nation" to turn the other cheek.

    11. Re:Error in summary by Megane · · Score: 1

      Or with a delay or denial of a medical procedure so that they do suffer.

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    12. Re:Error in summary by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      Extrajudicial killing is a subset of warfare here. It's not something I approve of, but it's not fucking torture.

    13. Re:Error in summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It appears it still is.

    14. Re:Error in summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Torture is indispensable in the plans of Lockheed Martin and Exxon. And the royal practices Houses of Bush and Saud. And Obama.

    15. Re:Error in summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Create a house of snakes (Saudi-Arabia), release on you own people (NY, Boston), scare hell out of them - get a massive defense+security spending rise. Grow your career at NSA and the army. Rinse, repeat.

      America - the dumping place of the world's cynical, useless bandits.

    16. Re:Error in summary by gagol · · Score: 1

      You forgot the family, neighbour, their kids and friends. USA have lost morale high ground like 20 years ago. Now they are just plain bullies with guns... until the money runs out.

      --
      Tomorrow is another day...
    17. Re:Error in summary by gagol · · Score: 1

      If I torture you enough, you will confess anything for it to stop, rendering the whole process useless, and quite cruel. I guess you are okay with US POW being tortured, right? What if it was your son?

      --
      Tomorrow is another day...
    18. Re:Error in summary by drwho · · Score: 1

      thank you for pointing this out. too many wymmyn want to use this incident as ammunition in their war against men, truth be damned (yeah I have been to Salem many times and survived the tourist trap to find the history).

  4. Typical psychological mambo jambo. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This field is the modern equivalence of the Church. Their unsubstantiated beliefs are all encompassing and explain all human phenomenons. Where once were daemon and angles, now there are illness to be treated.
    Every neuroscientist's essay I've read were cautions to the extreme in their diagnosis. To the people who actully deal with evidence based medicine, the very basis of neurosis and psychosis are at best theoretical and at worst nonsense. Even psychiatric will often administer random anti psychotics to all manner of patients since the very framework for treatment is just all made up.
    It's not even a big secret. Just go ask any practicing metal care professional with more than 3 years of experience and they will confirm this to one degree or another.
    It's all Mambo Jambo. Mambo Jambo...

    1. Re:Typical psychological mambo jambo. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's right. There's no such thing as craziness.
      Everybody's experiences, perceptions, and beliefs are equally valid.
      There is no objective reality.

    2. Re:Typical psychological mambo jambo. by trongey · · Score: 1

      Where once were daemon and angles...

      Exactly what sort of angles are we talking about here, accute, obtuse, right?

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    3. Re:Typical psychological mambo jambo. by poity · · Score: 3, Informative

      While I think that's true for real disease in the biological sense, strange disease-like phenomena can arise from a confluence of seemingly unrelated factors.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_Plague_of_1518
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_mania

      And it raises the question if these phenomena spread like disease and harm like disease, should they be viewed any differently?

      --
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    4. Re:Typical psychological mambo jambo. by Kal+Zekdor · · Score: 5, Funny

      Where once were daemon and angles...

      Exactly what sort of angles are we talking about here, accute, obtuse, right?

      Didn't you read TFS? Acute hysteria among obtuse individuals.

    5. Re:Typical psychological mambo jambo. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Where once were daemon and angles"? "now there are illness"? "actully"? Calling psychiatrists "psychiatric"? "Mambo jambo"? "metal care"? Is English not your first language, dude? I think I'll take my opinions from people who actually phrase what they want to say in a coherent way, and don't just come across as some ranting schizophrenic.

    6. Re:Typical psychological mambo jambo. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suspect this whole shit (and the wiki page) is the made-up work of some sort of intel agency and we are the idiots to be had here.

    7. Re:Typical psychological mambo jambo. by AkkarAnadyr · · Score: 1

      And server-side software to track them.

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      Ain't no h'aint gonna run me off

    8. Re:Typical psychological mambo jambo. by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      And server-side software to track them.

      And in the darknets bind(2) them.

      --
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  5. This is hardly Facebook's fault by SirGarlon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I blame Facebook for a lot, but I think they deserve a pass for this. "Mass hysteria" looks to me like a real phenomenon, but that doesn't mean the "victims" aren't doing in on purpose.

    For example, from one of the stories linked in the summary:

    "... At last all the nuns meowed together every day at a certain time for several hours together." The meowing went on until neighbors complained and soldiers were called, threatening to whip the nuns until they stopped meowing.

    If they can stop whenever they want, then I have a hard time calling it a "disease." It sounds more like "being an asshole." (See also, Salem witch trials.)

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    1. Re:This is hardly Facebook's fault by minstrelmike · · Score: 1

      Why would you think they can stop being hysterical?
      It's not voluntary anymore than being an asshole is (and I don't see many assholes suddenly decide to stop being assholes).

    2. Re:This is hardly Facebook's fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can they stop whenever they want? Or do they need proper motivation? Even in the example you cited, the nuns didn't stop until they were threatened.

    3. Re:This is hardly Facebook's fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. They didnt stop until something they valued (their freedom/money/whatever) was threatened. So they then chose to stop. Apparently they didnt value their neighbors nearly as much as they valued themselves (duh).

    4. Re:This is hardly Facebook's fault by SirGarlon · · Score: 1

      "Whenever they want" and "when properly motivated" are exact synonyms.

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    5. Re:This is hardly Facebook's fault by sourcerror · · Score: 1

      "... At last all the nuns meowed together every day at a certain time for several hours together." The meowing went on until neighbors complained and soldiers were called, threatening to whip the nuns until they stopped meowing.

      That's some good anime material right there.

    6. Re:This is hardly Facebook's fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Whenever they want" and "when properly motivated" are exact synonyms.

      Your statement and "I believe in free will" are exact synonyms.

  6. Oh noes! The sky iz falling! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I saw on Slashdot that people iz going crazy!

    It must be true! Slashdot sez so!

  7. State of (Dis)belief by tiberus · · Score: 3, Funny

    Guy: Where did you hear that?
    Girl: The Internet.
    Guy: And you believed it?
    Girl: Yeah. They can't put anything on the Internet that isn't true.
    Guy: Where did you hear that?
    Girl: The Internet.
    Girl: Oh Look, here comes my date. I met him on the internet. He's a french model.
    French Guy: Bonjour.

    Me:

    1. Re:State of (Dis)belief by Valdrax · · Score: 3, Funny

      You know, the punchline from the commercial just doesn't work if you don't give some indication that the supposed French model isn't saying "bon jour" correctly (and isn't attractive).

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    2. Re:State of (Dis)belief by tiberus · · Score: 1

      Hmmm, Mark up error, seems &lqao

    3. Re:State of (Dis)belief by tiberus · · Score: 1

      #EpicFail

    4. Re:State of (Dis)belief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually it's "uuhhhh... bon jour"

  8. The West is not Immune by istartedi · · Score: 1

    We've probably all read accounts of primitive cultures contacted by moderns. The primitives suffer in various ways because they aren't prepared to handle what moderns have. Aside from the microbes, they can't handle the technology sometimes. If you've read those accounts smugly, quit it. The West is not immune. The difference is that we introduced the new things to ourselves. The bad news is that these authors may be right on some level even though it sounds like they themselves are engaging in hysterics. The good news is that we will eventually learn to deal with new things. We'll probably fare much better than primitives because the new things aren't part of a narrative of conquest and exploitation. Well, not so much conquest anyway.

    --
    For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
  9. This Is News? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most of these people suffer from a sickness that requires them to share everything they do with the rest of the world.

  10. Hey man... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    'Wanna try some snow crash?'

    1. Re:Hey man... by OmniGeek · · Score: 1

      Just look at this bitmap on my smartphone. (Ha! I just KNEW that QR codes were evil!)

      --

      "My strength is as the strength of ten men, for I am wired to the eyeballs on espresso."
  11. Theres a common medication for this. by nimbius · · Score: 1

    facebook_ip=31.13.69.160
    route add $facebook_ip gw 127.0.0.1 lo
    I'll thank you kindly to finalize your intentions post haste for any doctorates, statues, or parades or street names in my honour you wish to confer upon me.

    --
    Good people go to bed earlier.
    1. Re:Theres a common medication for this. by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      Hmm, a common medication that doesn't work for 95% of the world's population doesn't seem like a very good treatment.

    2. Re:Theres a common medication for this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This makes a good point regarding the problems with modern medical research.

  12. absolutely agree... by schlachter · · Score: 1, Insightful

    just the other day I noticed there are many church groups on facebook with people professing their belief in all the imaginary stuff that comes with church affiliation. how is this not more significant than the salem witch trials? hundreds of millions of people have been killed from this mass delusion.

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    My God can beat up your God. Just kidding...don't take offense. I know there's no God.
    1. Re:absolutely agree... by minstrelmike · · Score: 5, Interesting

      in defense of the religions, people weren't actually killed _because_ of the delusions. Every homo sapiens social group that operates has a belief system of some sort and probably every single one of those is incorrect in serious ways.
      And since every single social group has also killed and attacked other social groups, you don't get to blame their over-arching religion or philosophy, most of which are at odds with each other and even with themselves (being internally inconsistent). Every group has those. It's one of the ways any specific -group- is defined.

      I know most folks like to blame history on socio-political issues but they are incorrect. Every group has a religion and philosophy just as every human has a spleen, a gall bladder and ligaments. Without ligaments, nothing gets done but we don't say ligaments _cause_ individual human actions.

      Belief in a Creator God is a delusion but belief that religion causes the wars fought in its name is also a delusion.

    2. Re:absolutely agree... by lancelet · · Score: 1

      Huh? So are you saying that humans fight each other NEITHER for socio-political reasons NOR religious reasons, but simply because they come from different groups?

      If so, your argument that religion is not responsible makes little sense to me. Religion is a purely human construct. It's part of what defines "the group", as you point out. Therefore, by definition, in your argument, if the difference in groups causes conflict, then those differences in the purely human constructs---such as religion---are EXACTLY the factors which DO cause wars! What am I missing here?

      I would add that the claims of religion, particularly infallibility and post-mortem benefits, would make it a greater contributing factor than many others.

  13. Re:Oh noes! The sky iz falling! by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

    Mass hysteria isn't insanity, but a component of human reaction to peer pressure. If you haven't seen 20 different people echo the same idiotic sentiment that they wouldn't have ever had if it weren't for the other 19 before, you haven't been on the internet long.

  14. mass hysteria by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    like over vaccines? only cure is to counter that bullshit with facts.

  15. OMG! by feepness · · Score: 1

    I think I have psychogenic illness now!!!

  16. Fear by MetalliQaZ · · Score: 1

    The symptom is "hysteria", the root cause is fear.

    Social media (actually the WWW) is the communication medium. It makes the world smaller, this we know. It isn't special in it's ability to spread the "disease".

    --
    "Here Lies Philip J. Fry, named for his uncle, to carry on his spirit"
    1. Re:Fear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't spoil the fun, please.

      Next week somebody quotes this story as proof that using a StuxNet infected iPhone can give you AIDS.

      Captcha: catheter

  17. The Shadow People by Rene+S.+Hollan · · Score: 1

    There was a (bad) horror movie along this principle: people dying in their sleep from no known cause. Apparently, if people believed that "shadow people" were out to get them, a negative placebo effect would take place, and they'd actually die from the belief alone.

    The protagonist trying to expose the phenomenon was convinced, at the last moment, not to, lest an epidemic result.

    --
    In Liberty, Rene
    1. Re:The Shadow People by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      I'm convinced that my grandmother died for this reason (a belief, not "shadow people" from a horror movie). She was on her way to recovering from an illness when she just gave up for some reason and said she was going to die. Sure enough, she immediately took a turn for the worse and passed away. I don't think the human mind is capable of everything (you can't "think/believe" your way out of terminal cancer), but it is extremely powerful and can tip the balance towards or away from recovery depending on the patient's attitude.

      --
      My sci-fi novel, Ghost Thief, is now available from Amazon.com.
  18. Social Media isn't a Vector.... by Geste · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... it is mass hysteria.

  19. This article made me twitch! by sinij · · Score: 1

    This article made me twitch... twitch... twitch...

  20. this is why you must stick to cat videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're like a nerve tonic.

  21. Sounds like religion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like religion.

  22. Great. A Clinical / Medical Excuse for Censorship by ClassicASP · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I can see it happening. The NSA is relatively new, so next comes the NMHPA (National Mass Hysteria Prevention Agency). They'll censor the internet systematically with advanced technology solutions and and say "No, we're not oppressing people's right to free speech. We're preventing panic caused by mass hysteria".

  23. MIB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Edwards: Why the big secret? People are smart. They can handle it.

    Kay: A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.

  24. Indeed it is by smooth+wombat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The belief that your photos and comments are somehow important to anyone else on the planet.

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    1. Re:Indeed it is by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      This Zen Pencils comic seems appropriate: http://zenpencils.com/comic/129-marc-maron-the-social-media-generation/

      (And I post this fully knowing that I'm one of the ones who somewhat regularly posts photos and comments on social media.)

      --
      My sci-fi novel, Ghost Thief, is now available from Amazon.com.
  25. Could it be the demographic? by barlevg · · Score: 1
    IT Crowd 106: Aunt Irma Visits

    Richmond: You shouldn't have sent out this e-mail detailing the symptoms. You know how suggestible and easily swayed I.T. people are.
    Roy: That's not true!
    Richmond: Yes it is.
    Roy: No you're right. Of course it is.

  26. also known as the mommy sixth sense by alen · · Score: 2

    both my kids had all kinds of conditions and diseases because my wife read all kinds of crap on the mommy and parent blogs and the kids fit most of the symptoms

    1. Re:also known as the mommy sixth sense by neo-mkrey · · Score: 1

      your wife needs to get a job

  27. Mass hysteria! by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

    Human sacrifice! Dogs and cats living together!

    1. Re:Mass hysteria! by Russ1642 · · Score: 1

      Tell 'em about the Twinkie.

    2. Re:Mass hysteria! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about the Twinkie?

  28. This explains why I thought Justin Beiber mattered by Coop · · Score: 1

    Damn those mass delusions!

    --
    "If you're not passionate about your operating system, you're married to the wrong one."
  29. Re:Oh noes! The sky iz falling! by alen · · Score: 1

    the sky isn't falling, but the oceans are rising and half of all americans are going to drown in the next 50 years

  30. Hogwash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh noes! Whatever will we do about this nightmarish prospect? Social media could cyberattack us all, turning us into fainting hiccupping teenage girls! I can't stop laughing! Oh my god.. I literally cannot stop laughing! Help me! HAHAHA! It;s real!! HAHA! We're doomed!! We're all doomed!!! HAHAHAA!

    Seriously though, there are far too many bullshit detectors scattered among the masses for this to be a serious concern. Also, we're not all teenage girls, and aren't going to start copying each others mannerisms uncontrollably. Nor are all of us going to begin uncontrollably shortening "are" to "r" and "you're" to "ur" in our typewritten communications, resulting in messages that appear to have been written by cyborg hydrocephalics.

  31. Hysteria by Ann+Coulter · · Score: 1, Funny

    Please do not use the term "hysteria" as it denigrates women. That word originates from the Greek word for "uterus," with the word "hysterectomy" sharing the same lineage, and perniciously qualifies women as raving lunatics.

    1. Re:Hysteria by neo-mkrey · · Score: 2

      Please do not use the words 'woman' and 'women' as they contain the words 'man' and 'men', respectively.

    2. Re:Hysteria by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please do not use the term "denigrates" as it is offensive to certain minorities.

    3. Re:Hysteria by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      And "denigrates' is related to "nigger" you horrible racist. Just as sure as niggers are black though, women are crazy.

    4. Re:Hysteria by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Calm down, lady, you're being hysterical.

    5. Re:Hysteria by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Epic troll

      5/5

      Would read again

  32. Non-Social Media by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

    Personally I see more hysteria transmitted through news anchors and journalists than through FB and TW, not that they do not contribute.

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    Troll is not a replacement for I disagree.
    1. Re:Non-Social Media by g01d4 · · Score: 1

      I was thinking the same thing. Considering how pervasive social media is, and that they could only bother with a single incident in TFS, that's not much of a "vector". Factor in the geographical proximity and you've got even less to go on.

  33. The only thing... by argStyopa · · Score: 2

    ...the only thing that would make this even better is if these 'diseases' were fatal.

    Any disease spreadable to the special snowflakes that could catch such 'diseases' over social media could ONLY be a win for Darwin generally.

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    -Styopa
  34. man, that is some lame LOLcats fanfiction by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    "... At last all the nuns meowed together every day at a certain time for several hours together." The meowing went on until neighbors complained and soldiers were called, threatening to whip the nuns until they stopped meowing.

    jeeze, trigger warnings there. You just blew the circuits of like three different groups of people while getting off another six.

    --

    the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

    1. Re:man, that is some lame LOLcats fanfiction by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Rule 42.

      Somebody find the meowing nuns getting whipped by soldiers porn. We know it's out there.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    2. Re:man, that is some lame LOLcats fanfiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rule 42.

      Somebody find the meowing nuns getting whipped by soldiers porn. We know it's out there.

      You mean rule 34.

      Everyone knows that rule 42 is "all persons over a mile high must leave the courtroom immediately!"

    3. Re:man, that is some lame LOLcats fanfiction by SirGarlon · · Score: 1

      I cannot believe you did not get modded funny for this. I practically snorted coffee through my nose! Well said!

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      [Sir Garlon] is the marvellest knight that is now living, for he destroyeth many good knights, for he goeth invisible.
  35. That's weird by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 1

    "the Salem Witch Trials of 1692-1693, the most widely recognized episode of mass hysteria in history, which ultimately saw the hanging deaths of 20 women..."

    Yes, that's very peculiar.

    Apparently George Burroughs, John Willard, George Jacobs, Sr., John Proctor, Samuel Wardwell, Giles Corey, and Roger Toothaker-- the men killed in the Salem witch hysteria-- aren't worth mentioning, because it's expected that people will only get angry about injustice if the victims are women?

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  36. More recent examples by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Obama witch hunt of Syria is another example. Few facts, all of them ambiguous and yet so many senior political figures call for the USA to break it's UN treaties and attack Syria in contravention of international law even when public opinion in the USA is against such a move. This brings to light the hidden social networks used by people in Washington circles, not nearly as open as Facebook, but nevertheless instant communication, flash mobs, and mass hysteria within their circle.

    Another recent example is the so-called gay-bashing law passed by Russia's parliament. Nobody, not even journalists, bothered to actually read the text of the law, which was actually a child protection law intended to protect children from outside influences who want to radicalize them. Those of you who know gay people will know that they do not all hold the same beliefs, do not all support the same political groups, do not all express their gayness in the same way. In Russia there is a problem with radical gay groups pushing a single gay agenda and recruiting underage kids who think that they might be gay. Given that it is illegal to have sex under age 18, how can a political group actually identify gay children other than by breaking the law? And why should gay kids have to come out now, and not later, in their own good time, when and if they want to. That law enabled fines (like traffic tickets) for people who promote gay propaganda targetting underage kids. It could have been passed in the US Congress. In fact there probably already are laws that prohibit heterosexual propaganda aimed at underage kids. The fact is that kids should be educated, not propagandized. Education is about drawing out the capabilities of a child, not creating a mini Marine corps training camp where everyone has to conform. But did we see any intelligent debate of this issue? No. Just the repetition of outrage at an unknown and unspecified gay-bashing law that perfectly mirrored the hysteria of the Salem witch trials.

  37. Peanut and Gluten allergies? by Dimwit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not that peanut and gluten allergies don't exist, but in the past few years I've gone from knowing no one with either to running into people everywhere with one or the other. Seriously, I work with three people with gluten allergies, one guy with a peanut allergy, and the waitress who served me at a restaurant last night told me she'd never had the sandwiches there because she had a gluten allergy. Menus are popping up everywhere with gluten free options.

    Schools are setting themselves up as peanut free areas and banning all peanut products even though the number of severe food reactions in a country of 310,000,000 is less than 2000 a year, with fewer than 150 deaths from all food allergies in all age groups combined. More than ten times as many people die falling down the stairs every year, but we're not mandating that schools be single-story. The rate of deaths by firearm for school-aged children is far far higher (second most likely cause of death for high-school aged children after car accidents), but we don't ban guns from homes with school-aged children or prevent school-aged from going to friends' houses where there are guns.

    So, don't get me wrong - peanut allergies and gluten allergies most certainly exist, but the response in lots of places has been all out of proportion to the risk involved. I wonder if part of it has to do with the easy accessiblity of compatriots via social media. We as a species like to panic about things. I'm not immune: when my son was born preterm (he's fine now) my wife and I went into what could only be described as folie a deux about his health.

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    1. Re:Peanut and Gluten allergies? by mjr167 · · Score: 1

      We also don't ban people from getting into cars...

    2. Re:Peanut and Gluten allergies? by CountZer0 · · Score: 1

      Actually, while most people probably don't have a 'severe' gluten allergy, there is a theory that our bodies aren't particularly well adapted to process gluten in general. Given the millions of years of evolutionary development and the relatively short timeframe that we've been eating grains, it stands to reason that peanuts and gluten aren't particularly healthy for us.

      Personally around 6 months ago I switched to a paleo diet and have noticed significant improvements in my health, including less gastric distress. I had been previously tested and confirmed to *not* have any allergies, but I can attest that going gluten free has still had very real quality of life health benefits.

    3. Re:Peanut and Gluten allergies? by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      I seem to remember reading something about how archeologists determined that as Native Americans transitioned life styles from unter gather to more sedintary farming methods their life expectancy decreased by decades.

    4. Re:Peanut and Gluten allergies? by DigitalSorceress · · Score: 1

      It's more likely the reduction in carbs that did it - but the direct side effect of Paleo is that you're likely cutting way back on those anyway.

      You see it as "I went gluten free and I feel better" but that's just confirmation bias - you don't objectively know that it was gluten itself.

      (Not trying to pick on you, but merely to illustrate how easy it is to fall victim to the same type of logical reasoning errors that lead (also) to these "mass hysteria" outbreaks.

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      The Digital Sorceress
    5. Re:Peanut and Gluten allergies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Love your handle. It is so fitting.

      Thanks for playing.

    6. Re:Peanut and Gluten allergies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THANK YOU!
      as always a little perspective *would* go a long way to defusing these 'panics' if people would simply THINK about them for a minute, rather than automatically running around with hair-on-fire...
      of course, the korporate media thrive on contrived controversy, so that won't happen...

      i believe i read recently that peanut allergy *may* be caused by NOT being exposed to peanuts at a young enough age...
      a shame, one of my favorite foods in the world, i can't imagine being allergic to them:
      LOVE THEM NUTS!
      oh, wait...

      similarly, the idea that so many kids are asthmatics because they don't go out and play in the dirt, like all kids should do, and thus aren't exposed to various fungi/bacteria/etc, which stimulate our immune systems to make us more effective at fighting off more serious/related bugs...

      now, get ON my lawn ! ! !

    7. Re:Peanut and Gluten allergies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking from experience, I think a lot of this is because it became more apparent to the public that one could be allergic or intolerant to these things, and people are more apt to check to see if they are too. I know I found myself to be allergic to peanuts *and* gluten just in the last 5 years. I always was, it just took a long time to confirm it. And in that process, my mom found out what gluten does to her (not good). And so I tell people about it, and probably some of them will go, "Hmm, wait a second, I do notice something is off when I eat peanuts/gluten."
      I personally think it's a delusion or something similar to assume that all of the food we're used to eating is actually OK for us to eat. When you really examine it, varying by individual, a whole lot of that crap is actually not OK for you to eat. And then people think you're weird for noticing that in fact, you do get more ill when eating this shit everyone eats. And that like half of the people who investigate it find out they also get ill.

    8. Re:Peanut and Gluten allergies? by thoromyr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Part of the problem is the science of allergies. Or, rather, the lack thereof. Combine this with a growing awareness of allergies and a burgeoning market in telling people what they are allergic to and you get the current state of affairs. This is complicated because no one seems to have even the slightest interest in the science of the field.

      An allergy, at least when I was growing up, was a reaction that ultimately resulted in anaphylactic shock. In principle, an allergy can kill you.

      People are complex biological organisms that are very poorly understood. There are allergies to various environmental factors (dust mites, certain plants, etc.) and to foods (peanuts and soy are perhaps the most common). But there are other ways/reasons for a body to react poorly to environmental factors or foods. I react poorly to (something in) eggs. I have an issue with casein (which is what makes cheese good, and fake cheese lacking it bad). I'm not allergic to eggs, nor do I have a milk allergy. Nevertheless, my body functions better when I consume neither.

      Allergy testing is like something out of medieval medicine. There's a common sensical understanding of it, but apparently no actual science. And if you want to make an "allergy doctor" dance, suggest that you get closely repeated testing. They don't like to admit it, but the reproducibility of allergy testing is almost non-existent and having a reasonable time interval allows insertion of vague claims such as "your body has changed". They have fluid ideas about the subject and are more interested in running tests, administering "innoculation" witch's brews, and generally making money off of the fad than actually studying the subject.

    9. Re:Peanut and Gluten allergies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) It's the other way around. During the 20th century, clinical psychology was repeatedly demonstrated to not only be a b.s. pseudoscience, but its theories about psychosomatic illnesses were also repeatedly demonstrated to be due to disorders in other systems, most notably the immune and endocrine systems.

      The good news is that once they're effectively taken over by other specialists, the disorders became easily treated. The bad news is that if you're one of the unlucky ones born in the wrong place at the wrong time, your life was completely wasted. The way things are going now, I'm willing to bet that history is going to repeat itself with their theories about eating disorders -- only this time endocrinologists, environmental health toxicologists, and gastrointestinal specialists will play the starring roles.

      For a good introduction to the topic, I suggest: Robert Aronowitz, Making Sense of Illness, esp. ch. 2 "The Rise and Fall of the Psychosomatic Hypothesis in Ulcerative Colitis."

      2) No one really knows what's causing the rise in incidence and prevalence in allergies. The clean hypothesis seems to have the most support ATM, but it's far from conclusive. It's definitely a Western phenomenon, and it's definitely not psychosomatic. Medical researchers and clinicans know this because we can see changes in your blood work even if you don't know you've been exposed to the allergen. That's not how the placebo effect works, at least not in immunology.

      That said, I don't buy the "glutin sensitivity" New Agey b.s. Those parents just have issues with risk perception and control.

    10. Re:Peanut and Gluten allergies? by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

      I thought peanut allergies were caused by exposing babies too young to them...

    11. Re:Peanut and Gluten allergies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the causes of increase in gluten problems is that the wheat we eat has changed.

      People like their bread light and fluffy and gluten is what does that. So we have been creating wheat with more and more gluten in it. Our bodies just don't handle this higher gluten content very well.

      As for the peanut allergies, I wonder how much of that increase is caused by them not dying. 100 years ago somebody with a serious peanut allergy would just die as a young child for unknown reasons.

    12. Re:Peanut and Gluten allergies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Totally agree. When a real disease that affects maybe 1 in 1,000 people reaches some fever pitch to the point where everyone starts asking themselves if they have Celiac disease, it can mean only one thing.

      Effective marketing.

    13. Re:Peanut and Gluten allergies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop bad-mouthing those with peanut allergies! You're aggravating my fibromyalgia and upsetting my autistic son!

    14. Re:Peanut and Gluten allergies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you have numbers for car accidents or firearm deaths (or perhaps breakdown of types - i.e. pedestrian/passenger, suicide/negligent discharge)?

    15. Re:Peanut and Gluten allergies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... with gluten allergies ...

      Gluten rarely causes anybody to have seizures. It is a deficiency. Just like some people are tone-deaf, the body cannot respond to gluten properly. This causes differing levels of discomfort or pain but the body does not declare gluten a poison and shut down. This is just misusing terminology to make a problem sound important.

    16. Re:Peanut and Gluten allergies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a friend with a gluten intolerance known as Coeliac's disease. She has an auto-immune response in her gut whenever she ingests even a small amount of gluten. Whenever she eats food that was prepared on the same surface as another gluten dish she will have severe stomach pains, vomiting and often has to go to hospital emergency.

      People like her need a very specific no gluten diet to prevent permanent damage to their gut as it is the only known treatment.

      Due to the fact that surfaces and utensils for preparing food need to be completely clean and/or separated from other gluten dishes there's extra effort that a restaurant needs to put in to cater for people with a gluten intolerance/peanut allergy. As such it is worth their while to advertise this fact.

      By the same token a school must provide the same level of service in a their cafeterias unless they want to completely exclude people that can't have nuts/gluten from using the cafeteria at all.

    17. Re:Peanut and Gluten allergies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not go find those numbers yourself and post them?

      The parent poster had the balls to do some thinking for himself and share it.

      So make yourself useful rather than being a peanut up in the gallery. You're entitled to nothing.

    18. Re:Peanut and Gluten allergies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This makes sense. Increasing my own saturated fat intake and dropped carbs resulted in a variety of significant physical and psychological health benefits.

      Solutions are rarely binary, especially with a bag of chemicals as complicated as the human body.

      As for peanuts, I remember reading somewhere that peanut crops are sometimes planted between other cash crops because they were good at sucking pesticides out of the soil. I wonder if this practice might not contribute to their toxicity for some people. -Which is annoying, since on a heavy meats and fats diet, it can be challenging to find adequate sources of various missing nutrients, magnesium being a big one. Nuts contain the stuff, but almonds are sky rocketing in price while peanuts, (which also contain magnesium) are much more affordable.

    19. Re:Peanut and Gluten allergies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When the neurological symptoms of gluten sensitivity were discovered, it turned out that half of all people with neurological symptoms that could not be diagnosed improved on a gluten-free diet. This wasn't that long ago. It may simply be the case that gluten sensitivity and gluten allergy is wide-spread but was previously underdiagnosed because people did not know about it. Nothing in your story contradicts that interpretation. Another possibility is that elimination diets are hard to run and interpret correctly, so a lot of people who try them get it wrong, and an elimination diet is the only good way to diagnose gluten sensitivity. The point is that you have no way to know which it is.

    20. Re:Peanut and Gluten allergies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gluten-free is kind of a fad lately, but wheat sensitivity that falls short of full-blown celiac disease is present in far more of the population than are aware of it. The inflammation this causes is an important contributing factor to heart disease and stroke (the same way that failing to brush your teeth regularly contributes to both). The data from the China study suggests a strong correlation between wheat consumption and heart disease (as well as between rate of wheat consumption and greater weight per calories consumed).

    21. Re:Peanut and Gluten allergies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ugh, I was giving the GP a chance to defend his claims especially since it was unclear to me what the rate of deaths by firearms was 'far far higher' than.

      And anyone can use the CDC's top 10 website, but given that the GP had apparently done the research he likely had it to hand which was why I politely asked.

      You ascribe 'balls' to the GP while you make presumptive comments and, apparently, are blind to the irony of your post. My post was a single sentence question; how you managed to project entitlement to it is beyond me.

      In short, it's all up to how you define 'school-aged' but at the end of the day, most aged 1-19 die from unintentional injuries like motor vehicle accidents, drownings, and poisonings. Then you have a significant number dying of inherited disorders, and then you have homicides (in the 15-19 group) rising up with firearms being the primary thing those people are killed with. Then you also have suicides being also primarily committed by firearm and you can reasonably come to his conclusion of firearms being the second most likely thing someone from 15-19 is to die from. I personally consider 'school-aged' to be through high school so the numbers may be different but the ranking is likely similar.

      What's fascinating to me is that it is generally illegal to purchase a firearm as a minor, possibly implying that the majority of firearm homicides are committed by criminals prior to their commission of homicide.

  38. Sorry, not convinced. by new+death+barbie · · Score: 1

    Slapping a 'mass hysteria' label on a phenomenon you cannot explain might make you feel more comfortable in your little corner of the universe, but it should not be confused with actually determining a provable cause. Mass hysteria isn't any more provable than demonic possession or alien mind control. It's a catchall for 'I give up'.

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    1. Re:Sorry, not convinced. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2 words. Wireless allergy

  39. Re:This explains why I thought Justin Beiber matte by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This explains modern popular music in general, and the way it is marketed.

  40. Relax people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This news only applies to fucking morons. Hopefully jumping off a cliff is the next big thing and then we have nothing to worry about.

  41. trigger warnings by SirGarlon · · Score: 1

    And then I galloped away, laughing. ;-)

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  42. Too Late... by thecorrectline · · Score: 1

    Bartholomew warns that there is 'potential for a far greater or global episode, unless we quickly understand how social media is, for the first time, acting as the primary vector or agent of spread for conversion disorder.'

    Too late, twerking has already destroyed civilization as we knew it.

  43. NSA Plot by wrackspurt · · Score: 1

    This is obviously an NSA plot to lay the groundwork to propagate false beliefs in terrorist activity to validate their ongoing domestic surveillance programs.

  44. Facts don't always help. by Valdrax · · Score: 2

    Actually, presenting facts to people opposed to them only seems to harden their opinion further in that direction. People are so invested in being right that they dig in deeper when their beliefs are "under attack" by facts that don't agree with what they believe.

    Amusingly, you know what makes partisanship disappear? Money. If you give a financial incentive for correct answers or for admitting ignorance, people of different political strips start giving much more similar answers rather than just spouting off whatever sound bite they've heard from their own party members.

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    1. Re:Facts don't always help. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering that intel agencies have their "Information Operations" sections and successfully manipulate public opinion on a daily basis, I assume we simply have to be fatalistic.

      Read Richard Tomlinson, a former British Intel officer, about their tactics and capabilities: http://cryptome.org/bbtxt.zip

      "Inevitably I/OPS would have been working over the weekend to ensure that Monday's media would report my arrest with favourable spin, so we batted back by drafting a short counter-spinner. It was a prudent move, as the Monday morning early edition broadsheets and the Today programme on BBC Radio 4 all initially quoted the MI6 line that I had been arrested for `selling secrets'. It was only when they received our own release that they moderated their line to report that I had merely shown a short synopsis to an Australian publisher."

      And of course, they labelled him a "terrorist", because he was a minor nuisance and embarrassment to them. So, "rule of law" and "due process", "truth" - these are from a non-existent land of fairies and unicorns.

  45. Sometimes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    crazy is smart
    Sometimes...
    smart is crazy
    Sometimes...
    delusions are real
    Sometimes...
    all that matters
    is just to deal

  46. Newspeak by sinij · · Score: 1

    Enough with this "lets rewrite the dictionary because it may offend someone" newspeak. You have no right to not get offended.

    1. Re:Newspeak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whooosh...

      captcha: superb

  47. Conspiracy by psychologists? by Metathran0 · · Score: 3

    Okay, seriously? If so many people are going to hate on a field, at least have the decency to hate on the right one.

    I'm tired of so many people taking this as evidence that psychology/psychiatry is wrong or over-reactive and therefore we must never pay any attention to it. First, the article's main expert is a sociologist, not a psychologist or psychiatrist. Granted, there's some overlap in the fields, but not enough that I'd trust the guy to start diagnosing or treating people. Second, as the article goes on, the other 'experts' referenced are in order: a nurse (LPN), a neurologist, another neurologist, and whatever the hell you call someone with a PhD in the history of medicine.

    You'd think that if this were some sort of conspiracy by psychologists/psychiatrists to drum up legitimacy/business/interest for their field, they'd have the decency to at least provide an expert on their behalf.

    Oh, not that this is entirely relevant, but just for the record, psychiatrists are MDs who specialize in mental disorders. Psychologists are PhDs who specialize in mental disorders and human behaviour. Psychologists cannot prescribe medications; so all the complaints about how psychologists are people who do nothing but a front for drug companies and push pills all the live long day? You're thinking of psychiatrists (and in my experience, there are a great many psychologists who would agree with you).

    1. Re:Conspiracy by psychologists? by lancelet · · Score: 1

      Psychologists don't need to have PhDs. A PhD is a Doctor of Philosophy; a research higher degree held by many Engineers, Physicists, Mathematicians, Biologists, etc., and, as it happens, both Psychologists and Psychiatrists.

  48. "Social Media Is a New Vector" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They is, is they?

  49. Would you say "It's time to panic" Laura? by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

    Why yes, yes I would!

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  50. No say, Billy Bob? by govett · · Score: 1

    Domestic and foreign intelligence agencies know this already.

  51. Dio and Iommi had it right by chuckinator · · Score: 1

    When you listen to fools, the mob rules.

  52. The television screen... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...is the retina of the mind's eye. Therefore the television screen is part of the physical structure of the brain. Therefore whatever appears on the television screen emerges as raw experience for those who watch it. Therefore television is reality, and reality is less than television.

  53. Under the bus? by jabberw0k · · Score: 1

    He also attempted to throw his wife under the bus first.

    No mean feat, considering the (omni-)bus had not yet been invented.

    1. Re:Under the bus? by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      Thank you for pointing that out. I'd like to share another link for your own education in exchange.

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  54. So that explains republicanism. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Zing.

  55. A book recommendation.... by tacokill · · Score: 2

    Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds, by Charles Mackay

    Not only relevant but a must-read for any educated person....

    1. Re:A book recommendation.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not one for censorship of other people, but if you come to my door trying to tell me to read anything from the origin of species to the bible I'm obligated to shoot you on sight for being a danger to my kin. Thou shalt keep thine religion to thyself, and yes, you are preaching, and what you're selling me is religion. I know your type, and I will not hesitate to pull the trigger if you come near me.

      As an educated person, you should know better than to bother people with your insane beliefs and doctrines.

    2. Re:A book recommendation.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the book reference...just downloaded for free on my nook. BTW...you can get copies of darn near all the classic texts for free in both the nook and kindle stores. Sort by price and free comes up first. Plato, Freud, Voltaire, Thoreau, H.G. Wells, Conan Doyle, Paine, etc. I have around 500 classic texts and still have 95% free internal storage. Take care tacokill.

  56. Nothing new here...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ........monkey see, monkey do. Hard to undo a few million years of evolution.

  57. Social media is a vector? Well then, so is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...TV 'news', and before that there existed newspapers. Can't leave out telephones and radio news either. Gov't propaganda (think WWII 'This is the enemy' and 'the walls have ears' posters), corporate propaganda, and in fact every school in the world is a vector.

    Article's premise is grade-A bullshit.

  58. mass hysteria has a cure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Back in the "good ol' days" Pschiatrists had a cure for hysteria. I'd say you had best look it up at home, it's definately not safe to attempt to treat your coworkers for their illness while in the workplace, unless you're a pron star.

  59. its the unanswerability that makes it a delusion by schlachter · · Score: 1

    it's exactly that point, that these things are unknowable, that makes it so absurd for someone to make up a story that's completely contrary to the known observable universe, and claim that it's true. unless of course they're talking about the flying spaghetti monster. you have to respect an idea as awesome as pasta.

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  60. Re:Great. A Clinical / Medical Excuse for Censorsh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mod parent +5 unintentional irony.

  61. Mass Media == Mass Hysteria by Baldrson · · Score: 1

    We've been suffering from mass hysteria ever since Hollywood got distribution channels into every hamlet in the country. What would be surprising is if people didn't go really hysterical once they started getting a little freedom and started thinking for themselves about how they've been manipulated for over a century.

  62. Obama's Psychogenic Illness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Up to mid-week and the preceding month was a case study of Obama's psychogenic illness.

    Ramblings of spies like 'Snowden', threats from no-where thwarted by the NSA, then stumbling from street-light to street-light along K Street to utter that he would invade and slaughter Syria was the peak of the 'fever'.

    In many ways Obama, when in peak psychogenic illness say Syria as a 3-year old child that he desperately sought to butt fuck, murder and eat its flesh.

    Anonymous sources at the upper-floors of the White House report that Obama is back on his meds, getting blood and estrogen tranfusions hourly and starting to recover to a recognizable human being.

    There was a bit of a early shock though: Obama had an unforeseen reaction to his urine transfusion and cocaine enema and attacked beloved Bo by butt fucking the poor dog in the hall of the 2nd floor. Medics were quick on the scene but Bo's rectum is recked. Poor Bo.

    Time will tell if Obama has a ... relapse.

     

  63. Re:Great. A Clinical / Medical Excuse for Censorsh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about we get some good out of this and create mass hysteria about the NSA watching everyone and they need to stop the mind reading?

  64. Wait are you saying... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That humans are open to subconscious suggestion?

    Now cluck like a chicken.

  65. history fail by drwho · · Score: 1

    assuming every person executed for witchcraft at the time is a popular historical mistake. At least four of the victims were men. That doesn't give me much confidence in the rest of the article.

  66. Re:Great. A Clinical / Medical Excuse for Censorsh by drwho · · Score: 1

    Living in Massachusetts, I can tell you that Mass Hysteria is a very real disease.

  67. India is suffering from one now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    India is suffering from one now. Like Europe once had Dancing decease /hysteria, now India have Rape hysteria decease. And it is fully transmitted through media.

  68. McMartin preschool hysteria by Reziac · · Score: 1

    Given this premise -- perhaps it's not coincidence that the McMartin Preschool witch-hunt took place about the time news media was most rapidly expanding from something you got a half hour of twice a day, to one of the major focuses of local TV stations.

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  69. explains iPad sales by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because no rational behavior does

  70. Clear Channel & Fox News... by cundare · · Score: 1
    ...are the real vectors. How else would you explain some of the most prominent mass delusions of the last few decades:

    .

    - the President of the United States is not an American citizen

    - the President of the United States is secretly a Muslim (and simultaneously a member of a Caucasian-hating "black Christian church" that is conspiring with Kenyan citizens to overthrow the United States)

    - there has been a global conspiracy over the last 25 years among every government, national science foundation, peer-reviewed journal, and credible scientist in three broad fields of science to perpetrate a hoax that human-produced greenhouse-gas emissions are warming the planet

    - second-hand cigarette smoke has no harmful effect on humans

    - the Affordable Care Act will strip $700 million (or whatever the number is up to now) of benefits from Social Security recipients and will establish "death panels" who decide whether gravely ill citizens will be given life-saving treatment

    - and the classic "seat belts kill more people than they save because they trap victims inside a car during a crash, rather than letting them be safely ejected."

    If you have a free hour, check out the beautiful documentary "Chasing Ice," in which shows the results of photographer James Balog's technically challenging "Extreme Ice" project, which took multi-year time-lapse videos of receding glaciers in remote areas of Iceland, Greenland, Alaska, & Montana. The big finale, a five-minute real-time clip of a Lower-Manhattan-sized chunk of ice plunging into the sea, is something you'll never forget.

  71. Laura Dimon's article in Atlantic on mass hysteria by dostephen · · Score: 1

    First: It's in The Atlantic, that inane former pulpit for the twisted views of Andrew A.W. Sullivan. I added the appropriate initials for him, they stand for Always Wrong. Since he left the magazine it has continued to be bright shining beacon for absurd and irrelevant takes on serious issues mixed in with oh-so-serious screeds about meaningless drivel of which this story is a prime example. Poor little rich girl Laura Dimon focuses her writing on such robustly investigated issues as "The last taboo for women" is "Doing your business (taking a crap) at work". So the Atlantic continues it's proud contributions to fleshing (or is it flushing) out the American Zeitgeist.

  72. Re:its the unanswerability that makes it a delusio by Valdrax · · Score: 1

    it's exactly that point, that these things are unknowable, that makes it so absurd for someone to make up a story that's completely contrary to the known observable universe, and claim that it's true.

    If it's contrary, yes. If it's not contrary, because science is silent or merely speculative on an issue, then no.

    unless of course they're talking about the flying spaghetti monster. you have to respect an idea as awesome as pasta.

    Not really, since the entire purpose of the FSM is the mockery and disrespect of other people's beliefs. It may be an amusing mockery, but it is a mockery nonetheless -- and not the kind that's just a harmless joke between friends. It's the judgmental kind that says, "I'm smarter and thus better than you."

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  73. Re:Great. A Clinical / Medical Excuse for Censorsh by ClassicASP · · Score: 1

    Indeed. I won't argue that people can be collectively retarded in mass numbers at times. But I still don't think thats justification for empowering the government with wide-reaching internet censorship. If people wanna act crazy, I say: LET THEM. If I had to choose between the occasional outburst of mass hysteria versus the permanent ongoing supression of free speech, I'll take the former over the latter.

  74. Natural selection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is good. There is no need to blame anything.