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California Elementary Schools To Test Anti-Piracy Curriculum

New submitter newbie_fantod writes "Ignoring the fact that the surest way to get a child to do something is to tell them not to, the RIAA and MPAA have developed an anti-piracy curriculum for kindergarten through grade 6. The pilot project is scheduled for testing in California schools later this year." Mitch Stoltz, an EFF attorney, isn't impressed: “It suggests, falsely, that ideas are property and that building on others’ ideas always requires permission,” Stoltz says. “The overriding message of this curriculum is that students’ time should be consumed not in creating but in worrying about their impact on corporate profits.”

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  1. Indoctrination and Propoganda by killfixx · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's worked for years with every other product...

    Get them while they're young and you'll have a "___________" (insert appropriate noun here) for life... Customer, slave, zealot, etc...

    The only problem is that government is allowing corporations to push their agenda in the classroom... It wasn't enough to have it at the beginning of every one of their Disney movies --you know, the ones that kids watch ad infinitum, now they're allowed to spread their FUD in the schools, too! Yay!

    How long before we see "Lunch! Sponsored by McDonald's", etc...

    That's not the only issue at play here...

    The backers for this program (RIAA/MPAA) are all wealthy, so their kids will never see these things in school. They'll be free from the propaganda and allowed to be creative and free. But, not the common man, because he can't afford freedom...

    Hrmm... I wonder if that's how this is supposed to work... Freedom for those that can afford it...

    Makes me wonder if there'll ever be a Star Trek-esque Utopia...

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    1. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 4, Funny

      So do the Sony Youth get a special knife?

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    2. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's funny that you call Star Trek a Utopia when every other episode and every movie involved violence, sedition and the near-destruction of our planet.

    3. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Makes me wonder if there'll ever be a Star Trek-esque Utopia..."

      AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

    4. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Makes me wonder if there'll ever be a Star Trek-esque Utopia...

      How much money you got? And who would be willing to throw money into the pot to buy up a country or island, cause that's about the only way this would ever happen, for those that want it..

      I do agree/wonder, with your statement...

    5. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "It's worked for years with every other product..."

      Not always. DARE, despite being only incrementally less popular than apple pie and jesus, consistently turns in effectiveness numbers somewhere between 'useless' and 'teaches impressionable children about cool drugs that they should try' whenever some killjoy stops taking its effectiveness on faith and tries studying it.

    6. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by dkleinsc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The only problem is that government is allowing corporations to push their agenda in the classroom...

      Well, it's not the only problem: I distinctly remember as an elementary school student getting "lessons" about how awesome the latest war effort was, and being required to sing patriotic songs, and of course the reciting of the Pledge of Allegience which requires students to profess a belief in God. Oh, and watching "Channel 1 News", which was sometimes informative but often not and supported by commercials.

      Basically, the problem is that it's easier to dupe kids than it is adults, so there are lots of organizations who are positively salivating at the prospect.

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    7. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by nopainogain · · Score: 0

      anyone who thinks in a world where businesses make technology there can be a Star Trek future makes me want to pat them on the head and look for their lost helmet.

    8. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Makes me wonder if there'll ever be a Star Trek-esque Utopia..."

      Only if you pay the licensing fee for Star Trek-eque utopian futures to CBS Paramount...

    9. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hrmm... I wonder if that's how this is supposed to work... Freedom for those that can afford it...

      Makes me wonder if there'll ever be a Star Trek-esque Utopia...

      Actually, that is the Star Trek Utopia. The shows focus on the "haves" of the UFP, but even The Original Series had some glimpses of the slave classes that no one likes to talk about in polite company (and Deep Space 9 was the first to actually show the economics of its main cast).

    10. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by internerdj · · Score: 2

      "Makes me wonder if there'll ever be a Star Trek-esque Utopia..." Monsanto will own all the patents for replicator recipes for food. Feeding your family will require a monthly licensing fee.

    11. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by killfixx · · Score: 0

      Fair enough... I wasn't thinking of DARE... It's a great program... Just poorly marketed...

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    12. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by kenshin33 · · Score: 1

      they don't make : they fund, "own", sell and buy.

    13. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      DARE... It's a great program... Just poorly marketed...

      What? I think you got it backwards. The marketing must be great, because it's still in use all over. But it is a terribly ineffective program, as has been shown repeatedly.

    14. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If there were a push for Islamic religious indoctrination in school, the humanists of the world (which I proudly consider myself one of) would be just as against it. So please, take your persecution complex back to church where you can pretend to be more Christ-like while screwing the poor and pushing your religious agenda on the rest of us. Your freedom of religion is no more important than my freedom from religion.

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    15. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by jythie · · Score: 2

      One of the ironies is that the bulk of the 'religious indoctrination in school' complaints that make it into the court system come from christians unhappy that their children are being pushed by some other christian sect, either in specific wording or beliefs about how worship is handled.

    16. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Makes me wonder if there'll ever be a Star Trek-esque Utopia..." Monsanto will own all the patents for replicator recipes for food. Feeding your family will require a monthly licensing fee.

      And there will be enough food for everyone. Do _you_ know how to grow/process all the food you eat? No? Shut up and enjoy not starving to death, then.

    17. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by johanw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Makes me wonder if there'll ever be a Star Trek-esque Utopia..."

      The USA seems to me more en route to a Babylon 5 police state under president Clark.

    18. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · · Score: 1

      Ah, but those aren't "real" Christians. Only me and my sect have the real truth, therefore only my particular flavor of Christianity should be taught. Everything else is pure heresy. I'm pretty sure the historical Jesus would be aghast at all of the atrocities and hatred committed in his honor.

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    19. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "and Deep Space 9 was the first to actually show the economics of its main cast"

      They only showed that for Quark and a couple of non-main characters.

      You must be thinking of Babylon 5, where economics actually played a role in the plot of the series.

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    20. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by nopainogain · · Score: 0

      yup, anyone who signed-on as an IT professional, even we no-coding-network-ops drones know... there's a document when you're hired that says if you create it, they own it.

    21. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      How long before we see "Lunch! Sponsored by McDonald's", etc...

      You are way behind the times, my friend. 10 years ago my friend went ballastic because his Kindergartner came home talking about how much she liked Pizza Hut. Having never been to Pizza Hut, he was curious what she was talking about. Turns out that Pizza Hut donated a bunch of Pizza Hut themed supplies to the Kindergarten in return for getting to spend the day leading the kids in various songs and play about how great Pizza Hut is. That shit has been going on for a decade. You should check out what your public schools are doing to grovel for money.

    22. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by dkleinsc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have no problem with people believing in God. I have all sorts of problems with government-funded schools demanding that students say they believe in God.

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    23. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah! We need to put an end to all this hurtful indoctrination of someone else's ideals in our children! We need to make sure it's all OUR indoctrination instead!

      Posting AC due to obvious speaking truth to hypocrisy.

    24. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's worked for years with every other product...

      Uh, sure it has.

      That's why nobody does drugs. Ever.

      Nobody.

    25. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by paiute · · Score: 1

      Makes me wonder if there'll ever be a Star Trek-esque Utopia...

      Only after the Eugenics Wars.

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    26. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm... when Star Trek utopia is mentioned, I think of the money-less, science-oriented, creative-oriented, personal-development-oriented society rather than always being at war with somebody for a 20th centrury (Fox) reason. And when the shit happens, apparently the idea is that they always pull through and kick the bad guy, who wants that great society destroyed, in the nuts. But you are right that thirst/hunger for power, envy, selfishness are still right at home once you leave the Enterprise...

    27. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The USA seems to me more en route to a Babylon 5 police state under president Clark.

      The Trek universe ain't all sweetness and light, or else we'd never have heard the words "Rape Gangs". They had a lot of chaos before they got to the shiny happy mythical future.

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    28. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Star Trek includes a coercive authority, and therefore cannot be a utopia, because coercive authority requires inequality among human beings (and violence to enforce that inequality). Utopia implies the highest level of social evolution -- absolute peace and absolute equality -- neither of which are possible under coercive authority.

      (The social and cultural aspects of Star Trek are straight out of our present time, where coercive authority rules the world. Only the technology has evolved.)

    29. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's really not a great program though.

    30. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by armanox · · Score: 2

      I'm pretty sure the historical Jesus would be aghast at all of the atrocities and hatred committed in his honor.

      As a Catholic, I am quite sure he would too.

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    31. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      Fair enough... I wasn't thinking of DARE... It's a great program...

      Hell yea it is; without DARE, I might have never known about any of those cool-ass drugs I did in college!

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    32. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2, Funny

      Only me and my sect

      My sect and I.

      That's right, I'm gonna derail a religious debate with Grammar-Nazi-ism! Take that, cur!

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    33. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Damastus+the+WizLiz · · Score: 1

      Do remember that in that fictional universe it took another world war and an actual alien contact to drive humans together enough to bring about that "utopia"

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    34. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Damastus+the+WizLiz · · Score: 2

      That they have to grovel for money in the first place is sad enough.

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    35. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Always on religious bigot on here. Why didn't you pick on the brown skin Muslims as well? They seem to get a pass, or do you just hate Christians? When I was in school, the propaganda machine was in the Liberal flavor, I'm sure it still is. FU

      Since you seem to be lacking in your knowledge of history, the "Under God" phrase was added to the Pledge by a bunch of bigoted religious Conservatives back in the 1950's. Up until that point in time, the pledge merely said "One Nation, Indivisible, with Liberty & Justice for all." There was never any prior mention of God or any other mythological creature.

    36. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      a little over 10 years ago when the company I was working for was replacing computers and server at a prosperous school distirct, the High School Cafeteria had a mini-Pizza Hut, a Mini-McDonalds, AND a mini-Subway in it....

    37. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

      Actually it's a very effective program. It is unfortunate however the effect is teaching kids more about drug use than prevention.

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    38. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      This cannot be! Every time I hear about a new tax in my state it's always for EDUCATION!

    39. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · · Score: 1

      You win this time, prescriptive grammar!

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    40. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by somersault · · Score: 1

      A lot of it had to do with clean and efficient energy via warp drives too. Combine warp drives and replicators, and it just becomes a matter of acquiring the raw elements that you need to create food, etc.

      We're probably going to have something similar on a smaller scale when 3D printers become more advanced.. people able to print out their own car parts cheaply at a local printer, etc.

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    41. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      There can be no more coercive of an authority than a culture that has genetically or chemically engineered its citizens to not require a coercive authority.

    42. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can stop wondering. The only way Star Trek-esque post-scarcity happens, is without humans.

    43. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Beginning?

      Google 'E Z Jackster.'

    44. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think you know what that word means.

    45. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Sique · · Score: 2

      Luckily those clauses are invalid in the countries I live.

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    46. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, but those aren't "real" Christians. Only me and my sect have the real truth, therefore only my particular flavor of Christianity should be taught. Everything else is pure heresy. I'm pretty sure the historical Jesus would be aghast at all of the atrocities and hatred committed in his honor.

      It's fun when people not involved in something think they know it better than those who are involved. Mostly because it continues to prove the only truth that can be proved absolutely. All people are complete imbeciles...

    47. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, he's right. DARE has an effect. The effect may be the *opposite* of what is intended, but the effect is consistent, measurable, *and* statistically significant. In that way, DARE is very similar to 'abstinence only sex education'.

      captcha: testify

    48. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Utopia implies the highest level of social evolution -- absolute peace and absolute equality -- neither of which are possible under coercive authority."

      Neither of which are possible with current human DNA.

    49. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      O hear the libtards go again with there PC, socialist agenda...WHAT DON"T YOU GET??? This is about the childrin. If we dont' let them spell the way God intended then they will just turn out to be muslem terrorists. Do you weant your kids to die for your spelling rules?

    50. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by nedwidek · · Score: 1

      Makes me wonder if there'll ever be a Star Trek-esque Utopia...

      I've given up on wondering. The kleptocracy always takes over.

      At this point I only wonder when they'll manage to pull off our own extinction level event.

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    51. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their having to grovel is not for a lack of funding.

    52. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by jdavidb · · Score: 1

      Makes me wonder if there'll ever be a Star Trek-esque Utopia...

      Forget that - I watched a DS9 a couple nights ago that pushed the idea that somebody was morally wrong for having used somebody else's idea without permission. My idea of utopia is we would be free of such wrong ideas.

    53. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by zugmeister · · Score: 2

      "And there will be enough food for everyone" that can afford to buy it.
      FTFY
      Give the Monsantos of the world enough leeway and it may become difficult to legally grow your own. There are already cases of farmers being sued (successfully) by Monsanto because GM seed contaminated their non-GM seed and the farmer didn't have licensing.

    54. Re: Indoctrination and Propoganda by matthijs.goense · · Score: 1

      Great idea! Now there will be nobody who wants to work for an industry that makes a profit by stealing somebody else's idea and selling it as their own.

    55. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by PRMan · · Score: 1

      How long before we see "Lunch! Sponsored by McDonald's", etc...

      Where have you been? We already have cafeterias selling food from Taco Bell, Subway and Domino's: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB901574891620347000.html

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    56. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by zugmeister · · Score: 1

      From that standpoint, the line between indoctrination and education may well be as fuzzy as the line between a cult and an upstanding religion. The difference in this case is that while I (probably) want my child to be a productive and successful member of society, any outside organizations (governmental, business or religious) will likely have an agenda of much narrower scope and of benefit to those organizations rather than the child.

    57. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      DARE originated when I was in junior high. The kids that went to the DARE meetings to get the T-Shirts were the kids doing the drugs. They wanted the shirts to wear while smoking. DARE has never stopped a single kid from doing drugs and as the OP said was used by the kids doing drugs as a way to find new cool drugs to try.

    58. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact that you talk about a "culture" manipulating "its" people is what implies coercion here, not the fact that they are genetically modified (which doesn't imply coercion by itself).

    59. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More so considering school is either private or publicly funded. Our taxes pay for public schools, and private tuition fees come out of our own pockets. This is a back-hander example, as neither case needs income from shitty junk food franchises.

    60. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by cellocgw · · Score: 1

      Give the Monsantos of the world enough leeway and it may become difficult to legally grow your own. There are already cases of farmers being sued (successfully) by Monsanto because GM seed contaminated their non-GM seed and the farmer didn't have licensing.

      Windup Girl, by Bacigalupi (and several other stories set in the same world)

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    61. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Amish would be a modern-day example that disproves your theory.

    62. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus Christ, man, stop giving Christians a bad name, you sissy. I'm Christian and I agree with the GP -- the pledge is plain wrong. First, we are "NOT" a Christian nation; America's primary religion is the worship of money (never trust a preacher who wears a necktie, the necktie is a symbol of all that Jesus hated). Second, public school is Government, and the 1st amendment says you can't force a Christian to make an athiest pledge or vice versa. Third, what good is an oath when that oath is mandatory?

      As to your "brown skinned Muslims", Jesus hates racism, bigot. You might want to stop listening to that fundie preacher who wears a tie like a banker or lawyer and read your bible. Mostly the NEW testament. And find a church that teaches Jesus' word, not one that preaches that "God hates fags and Muslims and Jews and Catholics and brown skinned people" (He doesn't, God loves everyone and your sins are no worse than a gay's).

      Jees... some people!

    63. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      only problem is government

      FTFY.

      Our government is not working because it is now being based on Group Politics, not individual rights.

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    64. Re: Indoctrination and Propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess that means the next generation won't want to work for Apple...

    65. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 2

      I think DARE might be an indication of why this program might just backfire.

      Honestly, has DARE even succeeded in any of its goals? The younger generations just seem to use drugs even more. I remember as a teenager it was generally just cool to do things just because you were told not to. So you're told not to pirate, and not pirating would be the goodie goodie thing to do...so, lets pirate!

      One of those videos is full of shit though; it paints a narrative of somebody's mom being laid off because too many people pirated her game. To the best of my knowledge, nobody has ever been laid off due to piracy, especially game developers. It's always because of other issues like their title sucks or its release was botched (came out way late and over budget, buggy as hell, etc.)

      That's Hollywood for you though. Got to admit they're pretty effective at what they do, I mean they practically own the current president, and they already have a sneaky little plan to get their way on SOPA.

      http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/04/06/chris-dodd-confident-obama-administration-working-on-next-sopa/
      http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/19/exclusive-hollywood-lobbyist-threatens-to-cut-off-obama-2012-money-over-anti/

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    66. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      Humans are not capable of forming societies without conflict at large scales, we need a coercive authority to resolve those conflicts.

      Not everyone is going to be willing to give up their fundamental humanity to be engineered to be more complacent, those that do not will be forced or culled.

      The dream of a anarchistic utopia where everyone is equal and there is no coercive authority is impossible, and I don't just mean technically, even if you could change people then coercion by authority would be involved.

    67. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      yes, but they take it away after 6 months and replace it with a spoon.

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    68. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it just becomes a matter of acquiring the raw elements that you need to create food, etc.

      Well, shit; nobody's ever fought over resources before.

    69. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by nbauman · · Score: 2

      DARE is a very effective program.

      Its purpose is to give police officers overtime pay, for doing the easiest thing in the world, giving nonsensical lectures to kids who would rather be listening to a cop than doing real schoolwork.

      The only easier way for a cop to make money is to sit on his ass behind a computer and pretend to be a precocious 12-year-old girl on chat.

    70. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the corporate take over of education steams on unabated thanks in part to such "initiatives". Maybe if copyrights only lasted for the duration of the original author(s)'s life and ebooks were not "protected" by DRM the children would not need be subjected to this corporatist propaganda. When is California scheduled to drop beneath the Pacific Ocean? Not soon enough in my opinion.

    71. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, he's right. DARE has an effect. The effect may be the *opposite* of what is intended, but the effect is consistent, measurable, *and* statistically significant. In that way, DARE is very similar to 'abstinence only sex education'.

      captcha: testify

      The prison industrial complex agrees with the unintended consequences being the intended consequences, ie. more inmates for the private prisons and more money for the investors in these prisons. Funny how politicians can admit to using illegal drugs but they never are charged, convicted, and sent to these prisons.

    72. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by nbauman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, it's not the only problem: I distinctly remember as an elementary school student getting "lessons" about how awesome the latest war effort was, and being required to sing patriotic songs, and of course the reciting of the Pledge of Allegience which requires students to profess a belief in God.

      I was in high school when they inserted "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance. I refused to say it, and my home room teacher had a shit fit. (Stupid nationalistic gym teacher.)

      I haven't said it since.

      And I won't say it until we really do have liberty and justice for all -- which isn't the direction we're going in right now.

    73. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by nbauman · · Score: 3, Funny

      So do the Sony Youth get a special knife?

      If they turn in their parents.

    74. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by s.petry · · Score: 1

      I have to turn a part of what you said upside down, because you hint at where I'll take it.

      The only problem is that government is allowing corporations to push their agenda in the classroom.

      Do you really truly believe this? I believe this is a Government agenda which we have seen growing for 50+ years with the removal of the classical education system and it's replacement with the communist industrial education system. Yes folks, this really happened.

      Here is where you hint at the same meaning.

      They'll be free from the propaganda and allowed to be creative and free. But, not the common man, because he can't afford freedom.

      The wealthiest pushing these agendas don't use public schools. It's not just the execs at the MPAA and RIAA. This is the Kennedy, Rockefeller, the Bush, the Rothschild, etc.., families. The same people that own the banks, and are ramming their agenda down our Government to you and I.

      The same people that are immune to taxes, immune to criminal investigation and prosecution, etc...

      So to answer your last question, the answer is "no". There are shitbags in society, and shitbags will always be in society. Just like there are nice people in society and will always be nice people in society. The shitbags tend to step on everyone up until the point where society has to revolt against their control. Happened over and over through out history. We are nearing that point again, but it won't be the last time we see it. Human nature and psychology ensure that this pattern repeats.

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    75. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There must be many legal loop holes in this curriculum which can be grounds for suing these bastards out of existence.

    76. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But as a Catholic, aren't you a worshiper of the Whore of Babylon? (Re-reads Jack Chick's writings.)

    77. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Trek universe ain't all sweetness and light, or else we'd never have heard the words "Rape Gangs". They had a lot of chaos before they got to the shiny happy mythical future.

      The happy mythical future where Big Brother enforces widespread genetic discrimination to reduce ambition. Star Trek was predated by Harrison Bergeron... maybe it was an influence.

    78. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      When I think of this "Utopia", I usually contemplate the fact that Dr. Bashir's parents had to flee off world in order to get his son's learning disability treated. There is clearly still an underclass and people interested in fleeing for various reasons.

      Those Maquis are out on the Cardassian frontier for a reason.

      Chances are, they're very much like the browncoats from Serenity.

      We all know what Kirk thought of "Utopia".

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    79. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      There's no Amish community as large as the smallest modern farm community you can conceive of. Your ideals really haven't been put to the test if you haven't seen them scale to the size towns we had in ancient Babylon.

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    80. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by triffid_98 · · Score: 1

      Makes me wonder if there'll ever be a Star Trek-esque Utopia...

      Unlikely at best...now a Blade Runner-esque Dystopia, that seems quite likely given who's actually in charge these days.

    81. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by meta-monkey · · Score: 2

      Without DARE I wouldn't have known to try the harder drugs after one joint failed to turn me into a burned out loser and multiple rapist. After all, if they lied about weed, maybe they lied about the other ones too...

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    82. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by meta-monkey · · Score: 2

      Right there with you.

      I went from Catholic to atheist humanist back to Catholic and my beliefs and moral code hardly changed.

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    83. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Our schools have slowly been becoming training centers for workers for a few decades now. Ie, chop out arts and sports because no one needs that in a cubicle, and instead focus on reading and math to the exclusion of everything else. Meanwhile accept "generous" donations of computers and electronic devices from companies hoping to get a generation of loyal users. Note that the top countries in the world in terms of pre-college education do not spend money on these computing devices and instead actually try to teach.

      So getting Hollywood into the picture is discouraging but it's just one more step in the same directions schools are already going.

    84. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by ralphaostrander · · Score: 1

      America has truly fallen it was seized by corporations. And all descension was severely dealt with. Occupy. RIP America.

    85. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      The "under god" part was added relatively recently to the pledge, and the pledge itself is not that old really (120 years or so). It doesn't require a prefssion of believe in god at all, it just has the "under god". Just skip that part or mumble it or say "underdog". The pledge has also been changed 4 times since it was first introduced, so it can be changed again. And nothing about the pledge is really official, just a lot of school systems that are too worried about being seen as disloyal if they don't require its use (or worse, they might be called "liberal" which is even worse than being disloyal).

    86. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      Did they bring the big glass-lined suitcase filled with different kinds of drugs, what their names were, and how the effected you to your class? That was always my favorite part; the big crack spoon in the middle was hilarious.

      Full disclosure: I grew up in an extremely rural community, where cocaine was practically unheard of, let alone in crack form. Meth, on the other hand...

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    87. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      How long before we see "Lunch! Sponsored by McDonald's", etc...

      Back in 1992, I remember that Pizza Hut started selling personal pizzas in my school. They were terrible, but better than the school lunches, so there was always a huge line.

    88. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by ultranova · · Score: 2

      One of the ironies is that the bulk of the 'religious indoctrination in school' complaints that make it into the court system come from christians unhappy that their children are being pushed by some other christian sect, either in specific wording or beliefs about how worship is handled.

      Nothing ironic about that, it's how the whole "freedom of religion" thing got started.

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    89. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by MrBigInThePants · · Score: 1

      You Have Got To Be Kidding Me?!?!?!?!!?

      There are no words to describe how outrageously evil, ridiculous, humorous and telling of the society that allows this sort of travesty is.

      The USA has truly lost its way...

    90. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      The Original Series had some glimpses of the slave classes that no one likes to talk about in polite company (and Deep Space 9 was the first to actually show the economics of its main cast).

      They only showed that for Quark and a couple of non-main characters.

      In DS9. In TOS, there were dilithium miners who obviously weren't keen on being dilithium miners. Only the people in starfleet seemed to be blissfully happy, and they were only that happy if they were on a starship (or retired). Kirk might believe in the UFP Utopia, but that's because he has a literal rainbow of groupies every episode to distract him (and he's on a five year mission away from the UFP).

    91. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      And that was just a decade (fictional time) before TNG, so several decades after TOS' time period.

    92. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by deviated_prevert · · Score: 1

      Many here do not understand what created the US rust belt in the first place. The proportion of asses in chairs as compared to those actually shoveling the shit. Our education system is predicated upon putting the "educated ass" in the chair after graduation. This is because by and large those who are rich are lazy and they spawn lazy offspring who think that sitting in a chair and directing things is actually doing work.

      These new titan of business are a bunch of idiots who actually believe that ideas are worth more than the implementation of ideas and to this end have subverted the concepts of patents and copyright. The fools actually believe that the ideas are worth more than the product and therefore have devalued labour and physical work to such an extent that they are crippling the entire economy.

      China is following suit and creating a bunch of tiny tyrants. When the Western economy of cheap trinkets collapses because the workers who buy them have to chose between trinkets and food, then the over abundance of asses in chairs will face the very said same devaluation of their work. We have those who have recently horded gold and moved all their movable wealth off shore to tax havens. The asses in chairs created by or current economic system of "intellectual property being more valuable than actual goods" will sink us. And the same thing will happen in China as millions will lose work because of the overvaluation of "intellectual property". There was wisdom in the rhetorical statement "is a worker not worth his salt?" Obviously the truth of this statement eludes those who only see ideas as having value, we are in for a very rough ride this time around because of the latest round of little tyrants devaluing labour. The insanity of what is happening to public schools and how these idiots can manipulate things to the point of injecting falsehoods into education is pathetic and symptomatic of why our economy will not recover this time around. The little tyrants won't let it and they do not even realize the damage they are doing.

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    93. Re: Indoctrination and Propoganda by techprophet · · Score: 1

      DARE should have been "Drugs and Alcohol are Really Expensive". While high price begets its own cool factor, it's at least something a broke student can relate to.

    94. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny, I started re-watching that series and just getting to that part.

    95. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Kazoo+the+Clown · · Score: 1

      Yeah, D.A.R.E. worked like a charm, didn't it. The scare tactics teach kids more about how to keep from getting busted than they instill good values, especially since as usual they'll oversell it and when the kids figure out they fudged the truth any guilt they might have had goes right out the window.

    96. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by stephenmac7 · · Score: 1

      Yet somehow, this "corporate propoganda" is happening in California, the number one anti-capitalist, anti-corporation state. Somehow, this doesn't fit. Maybe, just maybe, it's the government who's really pushing this agenda. The RIAA and MPAA obviously have an agenda here too, but if the great liberal Californian government is the one implementing it...

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    97. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by flayzernax · · Score: 1

      We are so fucked =/

    98. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Amish would be a modern-day example that disproves your theory.

      AKA the exception that proves the rule. Remember, this is sociology we are discussing, not real science.

    99. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      You're talking about Deep Space Nine. The Next Generation was much more utopian.

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    100. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by jythie · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but people have really rewritten that over the years. Since new groups are in power, they tend to gloss over the time period when various Christian groups were using local state power to persecute other Christian groups, and how much of the original 'freedom of religion' concept came out of various delegates looking at how their sect was treated in other states. This history has been nearly erased by current dominate religious groups....

    101. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Qwade79 · · Score: 1

      Only me and my sect

      My sect and I.

      That's right, I'm gonna derail a religious debate with Grammar-Nazi-ism! Take that, cur!

      Damned sects maniac ...

    102. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by lexa1979 · · Score: 2

      There is no spoon !

    103. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      Yes, but the extra features like a corkscrew, bottle opener, magnifying glass etc can all be removed by Sony at any time.

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    104. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      The history of the Pledge of Allegience is quite interesting, really:
      - For starters, instead of a hand over your heart, originally you were supposed to raise your arm up, like this. They starting changing that in 1941 for some reason.
      - In one of the few bits of codified sexism still on the books, men are supposed to remove their hats, unless they are uniformed military personnel, in which case they are supposed to stand at attention and salute.
      - The original version just said "I pledge allegiance to my Flag" - they changed that in 1923 to prevent those immigrants from thinking they were supposed to be loyal to their former countries.
      - In the 1940's, there was a brief period in which the courts allowed schools to require children to say it, regardless of their religious beliefs. Jehovah's Witnesses in particular had a big problem with that, because they considered it idolatry.
      - In 1954, they added "under God", specifically for religious reasons, with its supporters cheering the fact that schoolchildren across America would be proclaiming their monotheism. In 2010, this was upheld because the majority claimed it was of a "ceremonial and patriotic nature".

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    105. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Petfish · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure the historical Jesus would be aghast .......

      Historical Jesus? Which Jesus would that be? [Citation Needed]

    106. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by graphius · · Score: 1

      ^^ This^^

  2. School == Copying by RichMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We learn by copying. Write what you see on the board. Repeat after me. Read the book aloud ....

    Overlaying an "anti-piracy" theme is just going to be confusing and counter to the whole process.

    1. Re:School == Copying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And seriously? This is just a complete and utter waste of time. There are just so many issues in the world, and they're trying to create a curriculum to teach people not to copy/disseminate certain data? As always, this anti-piracy nonsense is completely pathetic.

    2. Re:School == Copying by nopainogain · · Score: 0

      but, but, but, if we don't fine 11 year olds six-figure-penalties for downloading songs, Miley Cyrus could be forced to drive a used Ferrari! You evil tyrant trying to take beluga caviar off the plate of that hungry buttless girl!

    3. Re:School == Copying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The rich opted out long ago. The middle class is beginning to opt out as well. I wonder when the poor will be the only ones in the education system and how long after that it is deemed unnecessary by Republicans.

    4. Re:School == Copying by JWW · · Score: 2

      The "new" kindergarten.

      Remember, kids, its good to share, unless we punish you for it.

    5. Re:School == Copying by gmuslera · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Science is about copying. Civilization is about copying. Human culture, and maybe even what is being human is about copying. We would never be where we are if a lot of people weren't standing on the shoulders of giants. Denying copying is worse than asking to reinvent the wheel each time, is forbidding to invent or use it because someone else have the exclusive rights over a basic, common sense idea.

      If you want to define intellectual property stealing, is taking exclusivity over an idea, not letting anyone to have it, no matter how common sense, how easy is to get there (i.e. adding "on internet", "on mobile" or "on computer" to common activities to patent it) or how indepently other people get it.

      And doing that in the current scenario where the US government is blatantly copying whatever US citizens and the rest of the people of the entire planet do, write, and create is to consider people retards and saying it aloud.

    6. Re:School == Copying by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Indeed. The whole idea of IP defies basic notions of cultural inheritance and evolution. I get that it might be useful for a limited time, but any extended period of time begins to subvert the very processes that lead to innovation.

      But this is what you get when you let sociopaths run the economy. The kinds of people who reaches the upper tiers of governance and corporate power are the kinds of people we should be locking away.

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    7. Re:School == Copying by idontgno · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Science is about copying.

      "If I have seen further it is by paying my proper license fees to stand on the shoulders of giants."

      -- Sir Isaac Newton, according to next year's California standard textbooks about science

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    8. Re:School == Copying by QuasiSteve · · Score: 1

      Aren't you told to write what's seen on the board? I think that's the author giving you explicit permission to copy it.

      Counter to your examples, try copying your fellow student's test, paper, etc.

      Similarly, schoolbook authors (well, publishers), know and accept that their books will be copied to an extent (excerpts photocopied, parts recited, etc.) but would still frown on you running the whole thing through OCR and dropping the PDF onto the world.

      While I think 'piracy education' is a waste of time if it's just the 'piracy is bad, mkay' approach - I think it's a perfectly good topic in education if discussing pros and cons and how that may apply to the students themselves. Let them decide for themselves whether they're pro/con copyright/distribution rights/piracy, and let them explain why. Same as with discussion of laws, religion, etc. in sociology(?) class.

    9. Re:School == Copying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What "middle class?"

    10. Re:School == Copying by MrNemesis · · Score: 2

      I don't really see what the problem with that is - all it'll mean is that everything you learn from copying something will mean we need a system in place to automatically make royalty payments to the people you copied it from. All you need do is when you create a New Work, Learning Concept (TM) or Factoid Slam (TM) is register it with the Education Attribution Corporation and we'll leverage our multi-source bottom-line scoping architect to provide our top-down talent-nurturing stakeholders with enough pre-prepared interdependencies to fully institutionalise and monetise high-quality, consumer-empowering selective knowledge transfers, entailing growing a streamlined, leading and financially re-aligned investor confidence paradigm.

      Of course, since nothing is created in a vacuum, as prime stakeholder of over 83% of all Amelioration Reimbursement Diversification Cogitators, the Education Attribution Corporation will take a 60% cut of all provided input. Those found to be illegally harbouring unlicensed intellectual property of Education Attribution Corporation will be temporarily granted access to neurosurgical frontal cortex reassignment therapy so as to ensure no unjust exploitation of unfettered unrecompensed proficiency.

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    11. Re:School == Copying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are a few of us, but you are correct, that contributes as well.

    12. Re:School == Copying by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      Sharing is car^H^H^H^H evil.

    13. Re:School == Copying by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      Could California just slide into the ocean and disappear already?

    14. Re:School == Copying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's a perfectly good topic in education if discussing pros and cons and how that may apply to the students themselves. Let them decide for themselves whether they're pro/con copyright/distribution rights/piracy, and let them explain why. Same as with discussion of laws, religion, etc. in sociology(?) class.

      There is no such thing as "Sociology class" in gradeschool, you don't get into that type of stuff until 7th grade or higher.

    15. Re:School == Copying by Nadaka · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The poor have been so drained by the predation of the wealthy that they have no blood left to sate the appetites of the plutocrats, now their eye turns towards the middle class, and you too will be made poor and then bled.

    16. Re:School == Copying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm sure that sounds reasonable to you. But, you must understand, this isn't about anyone making their own decisions. The whole goal here is to prevent critical thought, not encourage it.

    17. Re:School == Copying by QuasiSteve · · Score: 1

      They don't? That's sad - I think I got those kinds of subjects starting at what would be the 5th grade. Not at a particular deep level, of course, but that built up over years.

    18. Re:School == Copying by Sique · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually, it would have been: "As I am licensed by the Bertrand of Chartres Heritage Trust to quote him, I hereby declare that if I have seen further it is by paying my proper license fees to stand on the shoulders of giants."

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    19. Re:School == Copying by RichMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes you are told to write what you see on the board. But did the teacher copy that from somewhere. Did they have a performance license is it transferable?

      If asked to read from a book does the student have to get a performance license first or enquire about the existence of such? Does the teacher have a performance license to read from a book. Does the school have a license to play the recording of the national anthem in the morning?
      When passed a test the student should refuse to do anything until the teacher either asserts that the creation of the test was original work and that the copy thus produced was allowed or provide a certified copy of licensing agreement allowing the reproduction of question from the book onto the test.

      And you expect grade school kids to catch onto this? Some of them will talk to parents and latch on to things do stuff like the above and drive the whole process to a standstill. Are you going to have the teachers say "we don't worry about that in the class room", if word of that gets out the parent calls the school and reports the teacher.

    20. Re:School == Copying by khellendros1984 · · Score: 1

      In the various U.S. states that I grew up in, we generally had a "social science" class, which was kind of a mixture of geography, sociology, and anthropology.

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    21. Re:School == Copying by redneckmother · · Score: 1

      Could California just slide into the ocean and disappear already?

      That would be great! It's a much shorter drive to Albuquerque for me, and I'd love to swim in the Pacific.

    22. Re:School == Copying by sycodon · · Score: 1

      Schools purchase curriculum. Heard about the Common CORE controversy? That's a curriculum.

      Teachers use the lesson plans and questions while teaching. So, yes, they have a performance license.

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    23. Re:School == Copying by JeanCroix · · Score: 1

      That particular plan has been copyrighted by one Lex Luthor.

    24. Re:School == Copying by RichMan · · Score: 2

      But what they are teaching is safe IP. So on everything presented I am required to ask
      a) where did you get this, did you have the rights to access that
      b) provide ownership rights traceable back to the original author and sworn statements that the original author did not copy it from someone one
      I can't just assume because of the setting that it is ok. I can't just assume that their simple statement that it is ok is enough. I need authenticated documents on everything. I can't assume that what they presented yesterday applies to today.

      The whole system is stupid.

    25. Re:School == Copying by suutar · · Score: 1

      unfortunately I see it being easy to spin this as "sharing your stuff with others is good. Taking from others without their permission is bad." without acknowledging the difference between borrowing an idea and borrowing a physical object.

    26. Re:School == Copying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So school grades 7-12 aren't grade school?

    27. Re:School == Copying by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      "Don't Download This Song" seems apropos.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGM8PT1eAvY

    28. Re:School == Copying by Urza9814 · · Score: 1

      What definition of 'Middle Class' are you using in which they can afford private education???

    29. Re:School == Copying by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      Then what's taking him so long? ;)
      I've seen no reports of Superman on the news to stop him

    30. Re:School == Copying by JeanCroix · · Score: 1

      I hear time travel is involved, so YMMV.

    31. Re:School == Copying by graphius · · Score: 1

      There should be a "sad but true" mod...

  3. first questions in the pre-test are... by nopainogain · · Score: 0

    Do you own an eye patch? yes or no Do you own a little raft with an outboard motor and an RPG? Do you believe the letter "R" is also a word? If you answered yes to any of the above, we found our violator.

    1. Re:first questions in the pre-test are... by Thanshin · · Score: 4, Funny

      Do you own an eye patch? yes or no
      Do you own a little raft with an outboard motor and an RPG?
      Do you believe the letter "R" is also a word?

      If you answered yes to any of the above, we found our violator.

      Your test makes no sense. So kids with a lazy eye in tiny boats, carrying a copy of D&D are rapists?

    2. Re:first questions in the pre-test are... by nopainogain · · Score: 0

      someone get this guy a copy of Pirates of the Caribbean, a newspaper from April 2009, and a primer on sarcasm.

    3. Re:first questions in the pre-test are... by paiute · · Score: 1

      Therapists.

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    4. Re:first questions in the pre-test are... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't get it either. Maybe your joke just isn't funny.

    5. Re:first questions in the pre-test are... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Tobias: No, no, it’s pronounced a-nal-ra-pist.
      Buster: It wasn’t really the pronunciation that bothered me.

    6. Re:first questions in the pre-test are... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Therapists."

              The rapists.

  4. Fuck ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Industry trade groups have no fucking business writing curriculum for children.

    These assholes are of the impression the own everything, and that all of our laws and rights are subject to their approval.

    Whatever idiot in the education system decided that indoctrinating children to the viewpoint of corporations should fired.

    I can almost bet this will have things which are an incorrect interpretation of the law as it exists, and is nothing more than corporate propaganda.

    This is the problem with America, whatever a company wants is considered right and good -- even when it's bullshit.

    1. Re:Fuck ... by gtall · · Score: 1

      You could use Texas as a another entity that should be keep far away from anything "education" seeing as most their legislators and certainly their governor have never met a scientific theory they liked. Word is they'll be gunning for the theory of gravity next, all that relativity is likely to warp the moral compass of their kids.

    2. Re:Fuck ... by odigity · · Score: 1

      "Industry trade groups have no fucking business writing curriculum for children."

      Neither does the government. Now that the government controls the schools (a recent development), there's no way to stop this from happening, since you have no practical influence over the actions of your own government.

      Thanks, progressives.

    3. Re:Fuck ... by sycodon · · Score: 1

      Schools are free to not use it, not pay for it. No one is putting a gun to their head.

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    4. Re:Fuck ... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      They have no business writing regulatory legislation either but they manage to do it...

      Currently, these are proposals still under development, they haven't entered any schools yet. So you have a chance to fight back.

  5. What idiot is allowing this by silas_moeckel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Most family's are forced to send there child to public schools by there circumstances. What idiot is letting a private organization force propaganda on them DARE was bad enough.

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    1. Re:What idiot is allowing this by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Funny

      Most family's are forced to send there child to public schools by there circumstances.

      And some people fail to take advantage of even that standard of education, failing at basic grammar.

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    2. Re:What idiot is allowing this by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 1
      Helloooo??? It's in California, home of the movie industry? How do you suppose this change came about?


      And, as long as we're talking about schooling,

      Most family's are forced to send there child to public schools by there circumstances

      That's "families" plural, not "family's" possessive, and "their", as in 'belonging to them', not "there", 'a place other than here'.

    3. Re:What idiot is allowing this by intermodal · · Score: 3, Funny

      In High School, most of the people I saw wearing DARE T-shirts were stoned out of their gourds.

      That said, if there was any doubt that schools have vastly strayed from the job of educating, here's proof.

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    4. Re:What idiot is allowing this by internerdj · · Score: 1

      We let it happen all over the country with all sorts of issues. If it is important to the parents or the politicians then it will get in, at least briefly. The question is: Are the parents informed enough to challenge it?

    5. Re:What idiot is allowing this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, his parents were forced to send him to public school by "there" circumstances.

    6. Re:What idiot is allowing this by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 1

      That's "families" plural, not "family's" possessive, and "their", as in 'belonging to them', not "there", 'a place other than here'.

      Please do not copy advice from the Chicago Manual of Style without proper permission!

    7. Re:What idiot is allowing this by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 1

      It's not a copy, it's a derivative work!

    8. Re:What idiot is allowing this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus. What the fuck is wrong with your spelling and grammar.

    9. Re:What idiot is allowing this by alexo · · Score: 1

      Most family's are forced to send there child to public schools by there circumstances.

      I sympathize.

    10. Re:What idiot is allowing this by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      It's not a copy, it's a derivative work!

      Prove it in court, bitch.

      -- the MAFIAA

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    11. Re:What idiot is allowing this by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

      Please don't use the Chicago manual of style for anything. Oxford is so much better.

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    12. Re:What idiot is allowing this by fermion · · Score: 1
      You don't know the half of it. When I was a kid we had to look at these graphic movies in which kids were shown to degrade and eventually die due to drug use. These were urban school in areas with a significant crime rate and drug use, even to this day. The film was shown in all elementary schools, although we were a selective school.

      It was more traumatic than you could possible imagine, close to a snuff film. I don't think it really effected the drug use of anyone, given the arrest rates. Kids who abuse drugs will tend to do so no matter what, or because, the programs. These best way to keep kids off drugs is to stop the culture of drugs, in which they see ads on TV every day showing how drugs are necessary for a good life, but then making those drugs unavailable.

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    13. Re:What idiot is allowing this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, English was not My first language.

    14. Re:What idiot is allowing this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Chicago style says these cement shoes make you change your mind. Fughettaboutit.

    15. Re:What idiot is allowing this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Helloooo??? It's in California, home of the movie industry? How do you suppose this change came about?
       

      Well, money talks and bull shit - - - in this case it talks too because it's backed by the money.

    16. Re:What idiot is allowing this by lw54 · · Score: 1

      My biggest concern is the opportunity cost where teaching this is taking time away from everything else.

    17. Re:What idiot is allowing this by cellocgw · · Score: 1

      It's not a copy, it's a derivative work!

      In which case, either Newton's or Leibnitz' lawyers want a word with you...

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    18. Re:What idiot is allowing this by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      What is wrong with drugs exactly?
      Is alcohol also bad? What about caffeine? For a great many drugs it appears the only problem with them is that possession can get you arrested. The solution then is to make them legal and educate people about responsible use.

    19. Re:What idiot is allowing this by sycodon · · Score: 1

      That idiot would be the person who voted for the idiot(s) that made the decision.

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    20. Re:What idiot is allowing this by intermodal · · Score: 1

      I share that concern...about over half of what class time is spent on.

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    21. Re:What idiot is allowing this by psithurism · · Score: 1

      DARE was bad enough

      Considering how well that worked out, I can't imagine this initiative will fare much better.

      I'm pretty sure how this will work: kids at school will be performing skits, writing their congressmen, and promising that they'll never be bad like those awful pirates. Then going home to bit-torrent themselves some free copies of their favorite TV shows and music.

  6. Is this a joke? by pablo_max · · Score: 5, Informative

    Is it really the case that you have companies and special interest groups creating the curriculum for your children?
    How do you, as parents stand for this? You do know that you can go to the school board and freak out right? I think step 1 would be to organize a district wide freakout on the school board. Step 2, private school.

    1. Re:Is this a joke? by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You do know that you can go to the school board and freak out right? I think step 1 would be to organize a district wide freakout on the school board. Step 2, private school.

      Which I should think would have about the same effect as telling your elected representative your displeasure ... the people who pay them huge money in campaign donations get their ear, and the rest of us can go pound sand.

      The *AAs likely made some donations contingent on having their views on copyright be required in school. And they will skew the facts the way they always do on the topic of copyright, so the kids will be getting lied to.

      And, I'm betting the vast majority of parents can't afford to send their children to private school.

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    2. Re:Is this a joke? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Here in MD a man was just arrested for freaking out at the school board, who had structured their meeting so that only questions they approved would be answered. Good luck with your freak out.

    3. Re:Is this a joke? by jythie · · Score: 1

      Schools increasingly depend on corporate sponsorship to stay afloat since parents have been complaining about property taxes for decades.

    4. Re:Is this a joke? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are looking at it from the wrong angle. I have a special topic I want "taught" to the children at an early age. Step 1: Can I contribute enough to the school board members' re-election funds to get it in the curriculum. Step 2: Am I in a majority of people who want this taught? Then organize a district wide freakout on the school board and in the papers. Step 3: Am I in the minority? Threaten lawsuit and possibly follow through over discriminatory or exclusionary curriculum. Or if I'm really lucky then I can do all three.

    5. Re:Is this a joke? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      How do you, as parents stand for this? You do know that you can go to the school board and freak out right? I think step 1 would be to organize a district wide freakout on the school board. Step 2, private school.

      People can't afford to send their kids to private school, they're busy both working full-time just to meet ends already. And people are divided, unless all the parents bitch at once nobody cares.

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    6. Re:Is this a joke? by imidan · · Score: 1

      I guess my response would be to talk to my kids' teachers, find out if they intend on using this curriculum, keeping my kids out of school on those days when it is covered, and drafting a letter to the teacher, the principal, and the school board. I don't believe that blatant corporate propaganda has any place in education. My kids and I can stay home "sick" on the days when this happens.

    7. Re:Is this a joke? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you think it matters? Do you think they care?

      Over half of my school board has the sole position of not raising taxes via levy's. They have explicitly asked me to never talk to them, a principal, or a teacher ever again.

      The fact that enrollment is down 40% from last year is of no concern to them. To be fair, the enrollment is partially a reaction to this being the norm and seeking alternatives.

      The state was interested in my complaints, but I haven't seen that go anywhere.

    8. Re:Is this a joke? by sjames · · Score: 1

      If you're going to get arrested anyway, throw feces and urine on them. It's what they deserve.

    9. Re:Is this a joke? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dunno man, school boards tend to be pretty frightened of pissed off parents.

    10. Re:Is this a joke? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    11. Re:Is this a joke? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

      I can only speak for my local schools, but the school board tends to be pretty responsive. A pissed-off parent with a reasonable point often gets change, and always has the board members reaching for their Tylenol*.

      * This posting is not endorsed by the Tylenol corporation, which makes no representation as to the accuracy of this post. All reading, discussion, and thought about Tylenol products which may be offensive to anyone or which breaches Tylenol's internal trade-secret free-speech-zone guidelines is strictly prohibited. Copyright 1984, all rights reserved.

    12. Re:Is this a joke? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I was from a small town so maybe this anectdote wouldn't work elsewhere. But when I was in high school we had two mothers get sick of the school board and they ran for it themselves and won. At which point the previously passive board stopped rubberstamping everything the superintendent proposed and there was a distinct overall improvement.

    13. Re:Is this a joke? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Step 2, private school."

            Step 2, home school. If you want it done right, do it yourself.

    14. Re:Is this a joke? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Schools increasingly depend on corporate sponsorship to stay afloat since parents have been complaining about property taxes for decades."

              Tell the schools to stop spending on high priced administrative staff, massive buildings, and expensive toys. Then they won't need so much money. Hell, with the internet, conferencing software, and videos, why have schools at all?

    15. Re:Is this a joke? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, school politics is one of the few places where someone can actually be listened to (especially if they are a parent).

      National and State politics are corrupt in part because it's so hard for an average citizen to be heard when their representatives have so many constituents.

      Not so with school politics. Hardly anyone votes in the school elections, board meetings are sparsely attended, etc. The result is that the few people who do participate wield huge influence.

      So truly, more even-minded parents being involved and bringing their voice to bear at the school board actually can be very effective.

    16. Re:Is this a joke? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Well, that's cool; I do think it's a small-town-specific story. And we've discussed some stories here where obscene amounts of money have been spent in small-town politics, ISTR even regarding the school board in one case, but no link so I may be misremembering. The thing is, how many parents have enough time and energy for that today?

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  7. How do I get in? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So, with me being a private entity with an agenda, how do I get my ideas to be taught at school?

    Is there finally hope that we can teach the toddlers to not use emacs?

    1. Re:How do I get in? by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 4, Funny

      Is there finally hope that we can teach the toddlers to not use emacs?

      "Little Mogambo will go to bed tonight with EMACS. There's no cure, but there is hope, through research. Send your generous donation to..."

    2. Re:How do I get in? by internerdj · · Score: 1

      Every toddler should be able to do something useful with their letters like use vi.

    3. Re:How do I get in? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Geez... doesn't everyone understand our future depends on nano-technology?

    4. Re:How do I get in? by phorm · · Score: 1

      Accepting donations here?

  8. I got an idea... by GrimShady · · Score: 3, Informative

    Maybe they should teach them other stuff like math, science and reading before consuming resources protecting the income of Justin Beiber. Just sayin...

    1. Re:I got an idea... by imidan · · Score: 1

      I think you have a point. With all of the standardized testing and other requirements, we often hear teachers complaining that there isn't enough time in the school year to cover everything they're supposed to cover. Why would we pile on these propaganda "lessons" that seem to offer negative educational benefit, when we don't have enough time to teach the important lessons?

  9. Copyright is not about protecting an idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's about protecting the realization of the idea, in a form detailed enough that it could realistically have only come from the authors (excluding occasional boundary cases like the melodies of popular songs).

    Are anti-shoplifting laws attempts to regard ideas as property? A phone handset, after all, is the end result of a staggering number of individual contributions in science, engineering, and manufacturing.

    1. Re:Copyright is not about protecting an idea by nopainogain · · Score: 0

      Intellectual Property laws crack me up anyway. I mean does every single person who makes a green-light-bulb pay a royalty to the descendants of Edison? I strongly doubt it. It's one of those things that was introduced with the intentions of protecting creators on the surface but at the end of the day it just keeps the "important" people in "important positions".

    2. Re:Copyright is not about protecting an idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, no. Anti-shoplifting laws are attempts to punish people after they steal your physical property. Copyright, on the other hand, is just garbage.

  10. Corporations and Government by Esion+Modnar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    working together. There's a word for that.

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    They say the first thing to go is your penis. Well, it's either that or your brain. I forget which...
    1. Re:Corporations and Government by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 1

      Corporations and Government working together. There's a word for that.

      'Merika!

    2. Re:Corporations and Government by Thanshin · · Score: 1

      'MERICA?

    3. Re:Corporations and Government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes! Ol' Merica!

    4. Re:Corporations and Government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am pretty sure he is referring (though not quite accurately) to "Corporitist fascism", in which the fusion of "Corporation" and "Government" was seen as the "Ideal state."

      However, "Corporation" does not have the same definition under that method of use, and is more like "Interest group" is used nowdays. Something like the NAACP or the EFF would be "Corporations" under the corporatist dogma. (Yes, the RIAA and MPAA too.) Basically, a body (Corpus) that has self-assembled from like interests and motives.

      Amusingly, this move by the RIAA/MPAA is almost straight up fascist in that respect, as it sidesteps the democratic process in favor of a fervent, nationalized policy created by the fusion of a "Corporation" (RIAA/MPAA) and the government (Department of Education, et al.), where strong leaders are epitomized (content creators that need to be licensed from, and paid homage to) and "Military force" is not only authorized, but viewed as explicitly necessary (Lawsuits with attack trained lawyers, and oppressive fines and fees are NECESSARY, and need to be INCREASED!) and that hostile takeover of other domains by the stronger is seen as justified. (DIsney and pals, coopting public domain fairy tales and turning them into a multibillion dollar franchise-- Like "Disney Princesses" is.)

      It's an analogy, and thus not a proper comparison, but the methodology seems to stick when painted on. A more riggorous evaluation seems called for, at the very least.

    5. Re:Corporations and Government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The prefix "a-" means without, as in "atheist", "asexual", or "amoral". So, are you saying that America is supposed to be without corporations and governments working together? I suppose that makes sense. We were also supposed to be the United States, not one indivisible federal nation. We were also supposed to be a constitutional republic. We were supposed to be a lot of things that we are not.

    6. Re:Corporations and Government by rsborg · · Score: 1

      working together. There's a word for that.

      I think Benito Mussolini said it best.

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  11. How about anti-plagiarism education? by barlevg · · Score: 2

    The real problem with "kids these days" is that the internet has made it easier than ever to copy someone else's work and pawn it off as one's own. Of course, it's also become easier to Google a few sentences of a kid's paper and find that they cribbed it from a website, but even so, this is a pervasive problem. So if you're educating children that taking other people's intellectual property is wrong, how about starting with academic dishonesty and plagiarism?

    1. Re:How about anti-plagiarism education? by Salgak1 · · Score: 1

      . . .until you run into firms that do this, like "TurnItIn.com". That immediately claims all submitted papers as THEIR intellectual property. . . .

    2. Re:How about anti-plagiarism education? by barlevg · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, they don't dispute that the students own their own papers. They just claim that their further sale of the submissions constitutes "fair use."

      To me the horrible thing about TurnItIn is that they run this site as well.

  12. Sesame Street is to be ignored... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So on one hand they get characters on Sesame Street encouraging them to share... and then these asshats try to obliterate that message?
    If my kid were on one of these schools, I'd be looking for another school: A school has no place in trying to protect companies' business models, it's there to teach (hopefully) critical thinking amongst things, and this surely isn't part of that.

  13. What about getting it into Church as well? by Aguazul2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Maybe it would be better to pay religions to convince the faithful that they will be tortured in Hell for copying things. Religions have a lot more experience with this kind of thing. I mean, WWJD? Would he download that torrent? Really? (Ignoring the incident with the money changer's tables for a moment.)

    1. Re:What about getting it into Church as well? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't mix religion with copyright.
      Before you know it they'll band together and turn on the schools again...

    2. Re:What about getting it into Church as well? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      WWJD? Make copies of fish and bread and feed everyone. Duh.

    3. Re:What about getting it into Church as well? by johanw · · Score: 1

      Sounds like scientology to me...

    4. Re:What about getting it into Church as well? by safetyinnumbers · · Score: 2
      Have you seen the copyright warning in Revelations 22:19?

      And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.

    5. Re:What about getting it into Church as well? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are mistaken my friend. It is a FOSS document, you are licensed to distribute as many direct copies as you want, you just aren't licensed to distribute any modifications.

    6. Re:What about getting it into Church as well? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think that is strict you should read the one in the latest edition of Numerical Recipes.

    7. Re:What about getting it into Church as well? by JDG1980 · · Score: 1

      Sounds like scientology to me...

      Scientology is a mystery religion; this kind of thing was actually quite common in the ancient world, where the specific beliefs of a cult were often restricted to a small group of initiates. (How many of these groups were started by Hubbard-style scam artists? We don't know, but I'm guessing the number was nonzero.) For instance, modern scholars know comparatively little about Mithraism, since the religion was limited to initiates (mostly army veterans) and what little was written down was kept secret and lost when the original copies crumbled. (Ancient texts today are almost all copies of copies, except for a handful preserved by chance in desert climates.) And Mithraism is one of the best-known of the mystery religions; about some others nothing at all can be said.

      Of course, it's a lot harder to keep a religion secret in the Information Age than it was in the late Roman Empire.

      Christianity (and Islam) specifically rejected this notion of religion. From the start they went out of their way to tell everyone, in great detail, exactly what the faith consisted of. (And to argue over it when they disagreed on the details.)

    8. Re:What about getting it into Church as well? by JDG1980 · · Score: 1

      That's CC-BY-ND.

    9. Re:What about getting it into Church as well? by Anon,+Not+Coward+D · · Score: 1

      ^^^ THIS!

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    10. Re:What about getting it into Church as well? by PRMan · · Score: 1

      Ha ha ha. C'mon people. This needs a +5 Funny!

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    11. Re:What about getting it into Church as well? by sycodon · · Score: 1

      You mean "Thou shalt not steal"?

      Or, for the atheists, "don't swipe other people's shit".

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    12. Re:What about getting it into Church as well? by Aguazul2 · · Score: 1

      You mean "Thou shalt not steal"?

      Or, for the atheists, "don't swipe other people's shit".

      I suppose if you're being literal, then I would be stealing by watching a trailer for a movie as well? As I am taking a copy of the images in my memory, and yet I don't own them? Or is stealing only when someone else loses something? I don't think religious texts are any better as a basis for deciding what is fair or not fair in this situation.

      When I started campaigning against the record industry's use of corrupted CDs (copy-protected / copy-controlled), I believed I knew what was fair, but when the people on the other side (RIAA/etc) are not in any way interested in fairness, just greed -- then really how can we possibly reach a fair solution? It doesn't exist. They pump the public with advertising to create desire for the product and then push the price as high as it will bear. The collateral damage are the people left with desire but no cash to pay, who are just left to suffer. They don't care about them. But when their dam got a bit leaky, then the whole pump the market thing didn't work so well. So now they corrupt the product and make it into a rootkit, that sounds fair to them, screw everyone else, that's what they do. I don't know how they got anything but what they deserved, and I have zero patience for any complaint from that industry now. If they install a desire in someone through advertising, and the victim resolves that manufactured internal pressure by downloading a file, that just means the old trick doesn't work any more. Their manipulation of people is backfiring. Maybe they need to try something a bit more respectful to be respected in turn. Then maybe things could be different. I'm sure you can find something in the scriptures about "Respect is something you earn".

    13. Re:What about getting it into Church as well? by sycodon · · Score: 1

      I will never understand that thinking that says someone who expends time, money and effort in creating something is not entitled to control that something and to try to earn a profit from it.

      Boggles the mind.

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    14. Re:What about getting it into Church as well? by Aguazul2 · · Score: 1

      They are not just paying to have something created and then controlling it to make a profit. They are also attempting to distort the whole world to fit their business model. Should we all allow a Sony rootkit to run on our machines just so that they can protect their property and business model? If they were unchecked there would be no internet. Instead there would be some tightly controlled cable-TV like service which does 1% of what the internet does. There would be no innovation, most of what we know now online would not exist. Is that the kind of world you want to live in? That is what they would create if given half a chance. I do not want to live in your world. Given the choice, I would keep the internet and drop the big media industries and all their 'content'. There is plenty of interest in a world without them.

      Also there are other business models than theirs -- for example here in South America, musicians make money by playing gigs. The music is copied freely on bootleg CDs and online. But people are accustomed to having live music at all major events (weddings, celebrations), and paying for it -- it would be an embarrassment not to have a band (or two). So musicians earn a living, but there is no mega-corp creaming a fat percentage off the top and trying to pass laws to stop movement of information.

      Have you never looked at how this industry works? A musicians 'advance' is nothing of the sort. Rather it is a loan, which the music company aims to spend completely on producing the music and promoting it. The musician sees none of it. When the music starts earning, the musician's profit must pay off all of this loan before he/she sees anything. They are nothing but a bunch of parasites on both musicians and the public. Some musicians work around the edges of the system and avoid the worst of it, though, but it would be no big loss if this all went away completely.

      That you support it suggests that you are badly misinformed -- either that or you are actually working for this industry, in which case I am wasting my time replying.

    15. Re:What about getting it into Church as well? by sycodon · · Score: 1

      I support people not stealing shit.

      If what you describe in SA is legal, so be it; I have no problem then. But here, it's not. If I write a tune and self publish, don't fucking steal it.

      And the industry issues you point out are between the musicians and the industry. You stealing stuff doesn't do anything to help.

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  14. Obama by jeff13 · · Score: 1

    Well, yea but, how can we make this Obama's fault?

    1. Re:Obama by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Well, yea but, how can we make this Obama's fault?

      Um, ok, I'll bite.

      But really, it's more widespread than that. Were it entirely an Obama problem, we'd only have to live with it for a few more years. For people who actually believe that, I have a shiny new bridge to sell them.

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    2. Re:Obama by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      He's the president. The buck stops there.

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    3. Re:Obama by nopainogain · · Score: 0

      as i've gotten older, ive gone from liberal, to conservative, to progressive and finally converting to "aware". they play this game where they pretend to work towards the interest of a subset of americans then they all do the same thing anyway. vote to make themselves and their friends richer. the dems, the reps, all of them.

    4. Re:Obama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's the president. The buck stops there.

      In case you're actually serious, education is a State level responsibility. The Feds can require certain things in order to receive funding, but they cannot directly tell the States what to do.
      California is in the position where they can't deny any Federal funds, due to being effectively bankrupt from trying to support Socialist programs.

  15. It's actions like these by FeelGood314 · · Score: 1

    That make me feel dirty when I actually give money to these big media companies by going out to the theater and paying for content. I shouldn't be sitting in a movie worrying about how the $10 I just paid is going to be spent repressing me.

    1. Re:It's actions like these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You should feel dirty. Stop doing it.

  16. I wanna be the teacher! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The course would look like this:
    1. Publishers abused their absolute power
    2. Pirateers returned power to the people
    3. Finally publishers where forced to deliver resonable quality and as a result they are winning the competition with the free alternative.
    4. Now the publishers are trying to restore their power by changing the law in their favor, against public interest.

    Are you going to let them get away with it?

  17. This is nuts! by zyzzyxx · · Score: 1

    I think whoever is allowing this to happen has his/her pockets stashed with RIAA/MPAA fund. This is indoctrination in the most evil sense. I want to ask the executives of RIAA and MPAA who are pushing for this to come forward and given an affidavit that they never copied anything ever in their life. The next thing they will come up with is "You cannot dress like James Bond" because that look is a someone else's idea. We all learn by imitating, this is the easiest and most basic form of learning. I thought California was a state of smart people, but I guess it is now inhabitated by dumb asses.

    1. Re:This is nuts! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought California was a state of smart people,

      Clearly you haven't been to California.

  18. WTF? by JDG1980 · · Score: 1

    How can it possibly be justified to use scarce instructional time on this industry propaganda? California public schools have enough trouble teaching the stuff that society expects and needs them to teach, and they're seriously considering this garbage?

  19. Don't Copy That Floppy by wiredlogic · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Don't Copy That Floppy campaign has been a marvelous success. Floppy disk piracy is now down 100%. Cali can expect similar success with their initiative.

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    1. Re:Don't Copy That Floppy by Count+Fenring · · Score: 1

      Urrrrgh. So close. Darn you for getting there first.

    2. Re:Don't Copy That Floppy by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      I know you're being funny, but personally, I think that copying has gotten a little bit out of hand. It was one thing when we copied floppies from friends. At least they had a copy, or they knew someone who had a copy who they got it from originally. But now, with technologies like BitTorrent, a single person can have a copy of a game, movie or music album, and from that one copy, can effectively transmit it to the entire world. Basically, everyone downloads from a single source. That would have been pretty much impossible in the days of the sneaker net. My uncle had hundreds of copied VHS tapes back in early 90s, but he was also one of Jumbo Video's best customers. Now, I know people with just as many movies, but they haven't spent a single cent that has gone to the movie industry. They simply just pirate everything, from a guy who may have possibly bought a copy (or rented), and then that copy got seeded out to millions of people. That kind of copying just isn't sustainable.

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    3. Re:Don't Copy That Floppy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They probably haven't actually watched them all either.

      I stopped copying when I got netflix. Too much effort.

    4. Re:Don't Copy That Floppy by AlphaWoIf_HK · · Score: 1

      The problem is nonexistent, and "copying" has not gotten out of hand.

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    5. Re:Don't Copy That Floppy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    6. Re:Don't Copy That Floppy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now, I know people with just as many movies, but they haven't spent a single cent that has gone to the movie industry.

      And how do you know that? Oh that right, you don't.

    7. Re:Don't Copy That Floppy by sjames · · Score: 1

      To be fair, just running off copies was seen as bad form. You needed to at least rip the protection out and preferably graffiti your handle onto the start screen somewhere if you had any class.

    8. Re:Don't Copy That Floppy by Urza9814 · · Score: 1

      Except that studies show that "pirates" actually spend far *more* money on legal media:

      http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121126/00590921141/dear-riaa-pirates-buy-more-full-stop-deal-with-it.shtml

  20. "To care is not to share" by linebackn · · Score: 1

    The RIAA and MPAA message to children:

    "To care is not to share"

    The message I hope this sends to children is that possessing music or movies, even if legally bought, is potentially dangerous and to be avoided.

    Lets move towards a world that is devoid of song and stories, and forget the fact these were a part of the fabric of humanity for thousands of years.

  21. California by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Being that this is California, it doesn't surprise me one bit. California's laws and idealism fly in the face of everything the United States stands for.

    1. Re:California by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 1

      Idealism's got nothing to do with it. "Content creation" (and support) is one of California's largest employers.

  22. Does it teach abstinence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It seems like as long as we have DRM combined with a law as absurd with DMCA, the only way to really "win" is to not play. If you buy a DRMed movie and don't get authorization to descramble it (and who ever gets authorization?), you violate DMCA every time you play. If you pirate, then you only violate a law once, and if you don't get caught right then, then it's clear sailing. But if you want to really be safe, abstaining from the products completely, is the only legal way.

    I can imagine teaching kids abstinence, and I can imagine teaching them single-risks (analogous to having unsafe sex, but monogamously, so if you're lucky the first time, then it's pretty safe from then on). But copyright with DRM is the worst, right now: that's analogous to unsafe sex with a new partner every night. The paying customer is the one who most often breaks laws, taking the greatest risks. It seems like if we teach kids about copyright, it's going to end up with either piracy or abstinence. That third option is totally crazy and therefore unethical to recommend.

  23. The Bieber Example by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    > “Justin Bieber got started singing other people’s songs, without permission, on YouTube. If he had been subjected to this curriculum, he would have been told that what he did was ‘bad, ‘stealing,’ and could have landed him in jail,” says Stoltz.

    I think I speak for everyone when I say that I fail to find the problem in this outcome.

  24. consider the tastes of kids K through 6 by themushroom · · Score: 1

    There will be less piracy of Barney videos and KidzBop disks, but this isn't going to affect Justin Bieber's work much. It's after grade 6 that people start watching and listening to stuff the RIAA and MPAA are annoyed people want to consume without paying for!!

  25. This isn't new by EMG+at+MU · · Score: 1

    Lots of big corporations fund initiatives in schools to get students on board with their agenda. A lot of high schools require a "personal finance" type of class where you get a pretend monthly salary and have to budget like an "adult". The fucked up part is that the program is sponsored by Comcast, ATT, and other big companies and you are required to budget for cable, land line, cell phone, internet, new car, ect... So we're letting big corporations convince high schoolers that being an adult means buying a bunch of shit that you really don't need anymore. You can bet they aren't teaching that you don't need to buy cable or a land line (especially if you cant afford it), you can drive a used car, you can split internet usually with people that live in your apartment building.

    This has been going on for a long time and no one gives a fuck about it. They aren't going to start giving a fuck about it now.

  26. Ideas and information as property by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You gotta wonder what these people really have on their agenda for enforcement. No doubt they don't believe in freedom of information and public libraries.
    These crooked bozos are wasting there time because in the end economics prevails and cost of ownership of digital content is near zero.

  27. Huh. by JustAnotherIdiot · · Score: 1

    that building on others’ ideas always requires permission

    Well shit, I guess all those games I played on the playground as a child were bad, i never once asked for permission to use them or add new rules.

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  28. Remind me again why schools are funded by taxes? by tlambert · · Score: 1

    Remind me again why schools are funded by taxes?

    If they are going to be teaching propaganda instead of teaching them what they're supposed to be teaching them, I think I'd rather have them teaching creationism.

  29. wow by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    It's like they're trying to fail. I guess the same people who choose to stick with a business model that clearly doesn't work anymore, don't have the judgement to create effective deterrents either.

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  30. Copyrights brainwashing NOT ENOUGH? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean to tell me that the copyrights lobby didn't brainwash people enough? I mean, even on Slashdot there is a large minority, if not majority, of people who believe that copying == stealing. And now these guys want to indoctrinate the young even more?

    1. Re:Copyrights brainwashing NOT ENOUGH? by sycodon · · Score: 1

      Would you shoplift a book from the book store? Why not?

      It's the same IP, just stored on a different medium.

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    2. Re:Copyrights brainwashing NOT ENOUGH? by Urza9814 · · Score: 1

      Are you advocating that people should be arrested and charged with shoplifting if they go into a bookstore, read a chapter of a book, and put it back deciding they don't like it? After all, they get the same IP and they didn't pay for it...

    3. Re:Copyrights brainwashing NOT ENOUGH? by sycodon · · Score: 1

      Bad analogy.

      Copying the movie or tune is the same as stealing the book.

      Standing the bookstore and reading the book is a pretty classless thing to do, but it's not stealing. Listening to a tune on the radio is actually part of the marketing plan as they believe you will want to buy it for yourself. Same with watching a movie. You can take it with you in your head, but you can't show it to someone else.

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    4. Re:Copyrights brainwashing NOT ENOUGH? by Urza9814 · · Score: 1

      Who said anything about showing it to someone else? I was talking about possession, not distribution.

    5. Re:Copyrights brainwashing NOT ENOUGH? by sycodon · · Score: 1

      For all but a few people, watching or hearing is a far cry from possession. Maybe for the Rain Man.

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  31. I would like classes on...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ......the Constitution, personal responsibility, and conservatism in politics.
    Please give me a quote on what that would cost me, thanks.

  32. I see a weird parallel in academia by aussersterne · · Score: 4, Interesting

    with beginning grad students. In papers, they often feel like they have to cite every . last . factual . assertion . and . word . that . they . use, to the point of having paragraphs with 20 citations in them, unreadable. But they're so terrified of "plagiarism" and heard that lecture so many times at the beginning of so many classes that it's hard to talk them out of citing Pythagorus or some writing about him when using the Pythagorean theorem, Perskyi when using the word "television," and so on. Exhausting.

    As an analog to this, they often hesitate to say anything new (i.e. anything they can't find a citation for). It's as though they feel like only institutions and the famous have license to make new things in the world, and then be cited. It recalls for me the similar divide between creators/consumers, with a hard territorial border in between the two camps, that RIAA/MPAA/BSA et. al. have tried to inculcate into the cultural consciousness.

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    1. Re:I see a weird parallel in academia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The other side crops up too. Usually right after I am done reading a paper like you mention, I get the exact opposite in the next one. They will give one paragraph with numerous direct quotes one citation at the end. Paragraph after paragraph of statements that are not theirs with no citation at all. In the alternative, you will see people adopt easy heuristics, such as only citing direct quotes.

      The reason, I think, is the same as why people cite everything: when you don't know how to do something, you overcompensate by being overly careful, adopting such heuristics, or just saying "fuck it." Those three reactions explain almost every paper I see. Similarly with copyright, you get people who torrent or download just about everything they use; people who have simple but wrong heuristics (e.g. its for education, so its fair use OR as long as I see creative commons I can use it); or only use things where they explicitly have permission to do what they are doing.

    2. Re:I see a weird parallel in academia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Part of that is because their work is run through computers that take any uncited material and compare it to millions of other papers. Trust me, someone else has written a similar sentence. Next thing you know is that your accused of plagiarizing off a student from the other side of the country. Then your paper is added to the database to be uses against future students.

      It is a money sucking scam, and when one of my college professors wanted to use such a site I refused to submit my paper, and listed these very reasons why. I never heard another peep about those sites in my department again.

    3. Re:I see a weird parallel in academia by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      with beginning grad students. In papers, they often feel like they have to cite every . last . factual . assertion . and . word . that . they . use, to the point of having paragraphs with 20 citations in them, unreadable. But they're so terrified of "plagiarism" and heard that lecture so many times at the beginning of so many classes that it's hard to talk them out of citing Pythagorus or some writing about him when using the Pythagorean theorem, Perskyi when using the word "television," and so on. Exhausting.

      As an analog to this, they often hesitate to say anything new (i.e. anything they can't find a citation for). It's as though they feel like only institutions and the famous have license to make new things in the world, and then be cited. It recalls for me the similar divide between creators/consumers, with a hard territorial border in between the two camps, that RIAA/MPAA/BSA et. al. have tried to inculcate into the cultural consciousness.

      This is one of the reasons why I found academic career so off-putting, the idea that research is mainly about citing others, and you can't express anything new by yourself. On the other hand, I haven't thought about this in the anti-piracy context; in research, it's a good idea to check what others have done, precisely so that you don't have to reinvent the wheel - because said wheel is generally freely available scientific knowledge.

      However, today you have more and more "scientific" knowledge behind closed doors because of the way the research was sponsored. Of course, businesses are free to conduct their own research if they want to keep quiet, and it's the universities that are supposedly open. But when you have university research groups sponsored by businesses for their own gain, you get into this weird half-open, half-scientific state. And the really open research is somewhere out there, on and offline, done by hobbyists with few credentials but a much healthier attitude towards science.

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  33. Mitch Stoltz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mitch Stoltz, a legal troll who has made his life without any creative contributions, is not one to judge.

    Having said that, this seems like it should not be part of any curriculum. That notion is offensive on many levels.

  34. How do they come up with these things? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More brainwashing: just what our children need!

  35. Hopefuly parents will have courage by DarkOx · · Score: 2

    Hopefully parents will have the courage to let even their youngest children in on the fact that not everything Teacher says is true. She may even lie.

    Most Americans have WAY to much respect for authority and to strong a faith in government. This might be a good instructive moment.

    Tell the child look your teacher is telling you mommy is a criminal who should be in jail; do thing that's true? Well keep that in mind when the man on TV behind the podium says things about someone like 'snowden' it may or may not be true; so always draw your own conclusions.

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    1. Re:Hopefuly parents will have courage by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      The sentiments aren't new. For example, here's an excerpt from What Did You Learn in School Today? by hippie-songwriter Tom Paxton:

      What did you learn in school today,
      Dear little child of mine?
      What did you learn in school today,
      Dear little child of mine?

      I learned our government must be strong,
      It's always right and never wrong.
      Our leaders are the finest men,
      So we elect them again and again.
      That's what I learned in school today.
      That's what I learned in school.

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    2. Re:Hopefuly parents will have courage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, next thing is 1984: Children turning their parents and siblings in.

      We told you so.

      Captcha: saddest

  36. Fight! Fight it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look,

    Everything labeled "intellectual property", being copyrights, or patents or what have you, will ALWAYS boil down to mind police. If it can be coded in bits and thus stored in a computer, or if it can be stored in your mind, it is NOT a property.

    Fight it! Pirate everything! Break this crap before it breaks us.

  37. Evil bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What kind of country is the USA turning into now? There is actually a deliberate plan to brainwash kids into paying for films and music? I have no fucking idea why any parent would be happy about their child attending this course.

    Why not just go all the way and have a gentle voice whispering commercial messages into every new born baby's cot?

    1. Re:Evil bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try playing your Raffi tape backwards.

  38. Profoundly Immoral and Malevolent by Multipleg · · Score: 1

    How broken does a society have to be to allow corporate interests to determine curriculum? In so many ways the US leads the world in notions of making knowledge available to the public. Try getting the rights to include an image of a painting held in a British museum for an educational documentary, then try getting the rights to one held in a US museum. Is the cultural empire the last leg of US superiority? What happens when we start dancing to pop music from another country and a foreign country exceeds Hollywood in terms of Box Office (China wants to in 5 years)? I can't help think the *AAs and the US govt have a larger agenda than mere downloading of film and music.

  39. actually, this is great material. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You just have to use it properly. Explain who supplied it, why they supplied it, what is wrong with it, etc.
    I bet this could actually be very beneficial if your goal is to teach the children how to think for themselves.

  40. Six years of this "curriculum"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Forgive me if I'm ignorant, but doesn't "kindergarten through to sixth grade" mean that this "subject" will be tought for six whole years?

    Isn't that somewhat of a long time to be spent on teaching kids how they can get stuff for free online, but shouldn't because corporations will make less profit, rather than, you know important stuff like reading, writing and mathematics?

  41. Liberatarianism in action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its nice to see liberatarianism is action, with coproations getting more say in what happens in public schools.

    But alas, we must completely eliminate public education for the betterment of humanity.

    But at least we're getting a small step in the door by letting those highly competent business managers have more say in education.

    Really its all for the best.

  42. Morality lessons in school? by zerofoo · · Score: 1

    Morality should be taught at home. Leave the three Rs to schools.

    1. Re:Morality lessons in school? by sycodon · · Score: 1

      It's not just morality, it's the law.

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    2. Re:Morality lessons in school? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No Betty, I can't tell Johnny to stop hitting you. That's not my job.

  43. Fascism is not Libertarianism by zerofoo · · Score: 1

    In a Libertarian system, there would be no mandatory public schools. You would have the choice of any number of private schools. Don't like the tuition or curriculum? Place your kids in another school. Yes - an oversimplification, but no Libertarians that I know would have Government force anyone into any public school system.

    What you are describing is Fascism. It's a mix of Corporate and Government rule - the worst of all worlds.

    1. Re:Fascism is not Libertarianism by PPH · · Score: 1

      And in a Libertarian system, the MPAA and RIAA and their dark overlords would be on their own to defend their IP. There would be no specific anti-copying legislation (DMCA) and they'd have to stand in line behind the guy reporting the stolen bicycle to file every suit.

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    2. Re:Fascism is not Libertarianism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There aren't mandatory public schools now. Homeschooling is an option.

      In a Libertarian system, public schools are not an option because they do not exist.

    3. Re:Fascism is not Libertarianism by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Sadly, it looks like we're headed towards no public schools (at least here in NY) and not in a way that is even remotely good. After a round of developmentally inappropriate testing pushed by big businesses (and the politicians they contribute to) to "evaluate" teachers, they found that only 30% of kids passed. So the Governor suggested using the "death penalty" against public schools that didn't pass.

      The only schools that would be left? Private schools and charter schools. The former are fine, but the latter are run by corporations which treat the school like a business. They take public funds but are exempt from the testing and can refuse any student they want to for any reason. (For example, if the student would need special services and so would constitute a "financial burden".) So the governor would turn our state into a system where kids were either taught by businesses or had to pay to get into an expensive private school. If you aren't rich and have a child who requires special services, too bad. (Maybe they'll keep one underfunded public school open to house these kids and so they can point to it as being so horrible and proof that the charter schools are so wonderful.)

      Whatever your opinion of government-run public schools is, surely a business-run public school has got to be worse!

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    4. Re:Fascism is not Libertarianism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless you're unfortunate enough to be born poor - in which case your 'choices' don't look so wide.

    5. Re:Fascism is not Libertarianism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, in Libertarian-land, parents could choose whether to indenture themselves in order to send their children to McDonald's School for Wageslaves or WalMart's School for Wageslaves. The only "freedom" Libertarians support is the freedom of their corporate gods to enslave the rest of humanity.

    6. Re:Fascism is not Libertarianism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And in a Libertarian system, the MPAA and RIAA and their dark overlords would be on their own to defend their IP. There would be no specific anti-copying legislation (DMCA) and they'd have to stand in line behind the guy reporting the stolen bicycle to file every suit.

      Would this be true? Everything I've ever heard from (capital L) Libertarians is that they support the right of those with money to do whatever they want to those of lesser means. I could see chattel slavery and feudalism making a come back, but letting rich moneyed interests fend for themselves against the masses? It doesn't seem consistent with the rest of the platform.

    7. Re:Fascism is not Libertarianism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And in a Libertarian system, the uneducated masses of poor children who weren't blessed with parents who are wealthy enough or connected enough or simply cared enough to keep them in private school would grow up to become unemployable, criminal drains on society. Thankfully, our Libertarian mercenary police force and Libertarian private court system would eliminate them swiftly and efficiently so that the good citizens could carry on with their blessed lives of self-determination, free of the shackles of living in a civilized society where shared sacrifice leads to increased prosperity for all.

      Hell, as long as I can afford my own private security and send my family to private school... f*** everyone else, they're on their own.

    8. Re:Fascism is not Libertarianism by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      You are injecting an artificial difference that does not logically exist, between a "for profit school", and a "private school."

      Private schools are for profit schools that are selective in which students they will accept.

      For profit schools are for profit schools that are selective in which students they will accept.

      Sounds to me like you are barking up the wrong tree. The issue isn't that the schools are driven with a profit motive, the issue is that you take exception to the school's ability to refuse admission.

      This is a perfectly justified concern, because when no public schools (that have to accept anyone and everyone from a given district) exist anymore, then logically, there will be a resulting demographic of children who are systematically excluded from the "for profit only" school landscapes.

      On the other hand, this is also an unsatisfied demand in the market. That means creating a school that specializes in these "undesirable" pupils would have an assured revinue stream.

      At that point, the complaint changes; all the kids are going to school, but at least one demographic has few if any options, and the one school that specializes in the undesirable kids is essentially a monopoly, and can charge an absurd price, and get away with it.

      True libertarians don't want to acknowledge this last situation, because it clearly paints a portrait of where government regulation is necessary. This is because government regulation of just about anything is considered offensive to diehard libertarians.

      I don't mind the death of public school systems, and the rise of privatized ones in their place, as long as there is regulation forbidding outright castigation of groups of pupils based on any set of criteria. Eg, the schools have to admit any and all students, and the cost burden between a special needs student and a normal tuition paid student has a government assistance program that the school can make use of, paid for by tax money, but with riggorous oversight to punish and discourage abuse.

      But there I go being a moderate centrist again.

  44. Fact? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ignoring the fact that the surest way to get a child to do something is to tell them not to

    Sorry, but when you start your posts with "facts" like these, you come across as an idiot. This isn't a fact. How can you hope to discuss what's best for children when you can't even get the basics of their behaviour pinned down to a more subtle level than nonsense stereotypes?

    What does happen with children is that if they want something, they want it, and you have to physically remove it from their reach in order to prevent them from getting it. Of course, by the time they've become copyright violators, they've grown out of that, and can accept rules as being good for society even if they mean not getting everything they want. (I'm joking, of course, copyright violators never grew out of that mentality.)

  45. RJ Reynolds School of Marketing by imatter · · Score: 1

    We just didn't get to smoke in school.

  46. Simple Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Hi I have a very simple solution. If this is implemented in my child's school, I will simply keep him home on the days that this "curriculum" is taught. AFAIK public schools need attendance for funding. All you parents out there, we can vote with empty classrooms. Problem solved!

  47. Big companies by Reliable+Windmill · · Score: 1

    Let's leave the creation of content to the big music and movie companies. They only want to dictate our consumption and the development of culture, for our own benefit. Maybe eventually we'll leave all science and innovation to big companies as well, finally freeing the general population from the burden of creativity and thinking. How could this possibly be bad?

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  48. Killing culture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    one child at a time.

  49. Different message than before by twinvega · · Score: 1

    What ever happened to sharing is caring?

  50. Teddy by chthon · · Score: 1

    "I always do what Teddy says"

  51. Just say no! by swm · · Score: 1

    I think they need a short, pithy slogan to really push their message home.
    One that is tried and true; that has worked well in the past.
    Wait...wait...it's coming to me...ah!

    Just say no.

  52. The Teachers by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If any teacher in the California public school system has even an ounce of self-respect, they will refuse to teach such skewed bullshit to their students.

    Skewed how, you might ask? from TFA:

    [The Internet Keep Safe Coalition's] president, Marsali Hancock, says fair use is not a part of the teaching material because K-6 graders don’t have the ability to grasp it.

    That's not teaching.

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  53. The right to read.... by jonr · · Score: 1
  54. Piracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where can I download it?

  55. Don't Copy That Floppy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  56. Love your educational priorities! by drstevep · · Score: 2
    Ladies and gentlemen of the school board, let's play that ever-fun game, Set Your Priorities!

    And what are our choices for this year? Where should we be spending our time and money? Pick carefully, the ones you want will be included in the curriculum and the ones you don't want won't be taught!
    • Science
    • Library
    • Music
    • Physical well-being
    • How to be good copyright-following citizens
    • How your corporate sponsor creates a great product

    And the winner is....

  57. TIL.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Today I learned that kids k-6 are pirates.

  58. Why not? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 3, Informative

    Why not let the RIAA and MPAA write curriculum? Thanks to Common Core and Race to the Top, we are already paying big businesses such as Pearson tons of money to write curriculum that teachers aren't allowed to veer from. Then we pay these companies more to administer tons of non-developmentally-appropriate tests which parents and teachers are forbidden from seeing. Then, when the kids inevitably fail (in New York, only 30% of kids passed the tests... many of these kids were straight A students who were now considered failures), these companies "helpfully" have textbooks, teacher seminars, extra help sessions for students, instruction for administrators, etc all designed to improve the students' scores on the tests the companies wrote. And all available for a price, of course.

    Don't even get me started on our education commissioner who was looking into taking legal action against parents who refused to let their kids take these tests.

    Then there's the fact that charter schools are being pushed hard. These are schools which take public school funds, but are run by businesses, don't need to take any of the tests, don't require their teachers to have any sort of training in education, can pick and choose which students are allowed in. (Bad grades? You're out. Need special services? You're out.) Politicians seem to love charter schools so much and push them whenever they can. Governor Andrew Cuomo has already suggested using the "death penalty" for public schools that don't pass the overly hard tests. Of course, you can guess what he would replace them with. (No comments from him on what would happen to the kids that the charter schools refused to serve. Would a K-12 education become only for the select few that businesses decide can have it?)

    I have a fifth grader and first grader who are dealing with all of this now so, yes, I might be a bit bitter.

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    1. Re:Why not? by Monsuco · · Score: 1

      Then there's the fact that charter schools are being pushed hard. These are schools which take public school funds, but are run by businesses, don't need to take any of the tests, don't require their teachers to have any sort of training in education, can pick and choose which students are allowed in. (Bad grades? You're out. Need special services? You're out.) Politicians seem to love charter schools so much and push them whenever they can.

      I'm not 100% certain of what New York does for its charters but in most parts of the country, charters are either "first come, first serve" with waiting list and/or they use a random lottery drawing. In general, US special education law prohibits them from discriminating against students with learning or physical disabilities. New York City's famous "Harlem Success" charters use lotteries and actually report higher numbers of special education students than many of the surrounding schools.

      I'm also not sure I'd say charters are popular with politicians. School board elections are, of course, highly political. Most run-of-the-mill voters are only vaguely aware of school board elections so voters generally tune out of school board elections and education policy. The special interest groups who do pay attention to school board races are teachers' unions. Big labor pumps in tremendous amounts of funding for school board candidates favorable to their cause and unions naturally hate charters since charters are generally non-union.

      Governor Andrew Cuomo has already suggested using the "death penalty" for public schools that don't pass the overly hard tests. Of course, you can guess what he would replace them with.

      And the alternative is? What do you propose? Should we simply throw more money at the problem? I would also point out that these "overly hard test" are still generally lighter than what colleges want.

  59. Oh, this brings me back. by Goat+of+Death · · Score: 1

    While I didn't have an entire curriculum dedicated to anti-piracy, I did have to take CompSci as a graduation requirement from my high school. One of our assignments consisted of writing a children's book on the evils of hacking and piracy. Naturally, I took the opportunity to make a complete mockery of the assignment. Mr Peepers and the MegaVirus was the result. Highlights included an over the top evil mastermind wearing an adamantium mask, a virus causing a computer to get so hot it exploded, and impalation on a mounted unicorn head. Oh good times.

  60. at k-6?? seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    talk about indoctrination..

    the only way you teach a 5 year old 'right from wrong', especially on a trivial and intangible subject such as this.... is brainwashing.

    if it's even in school in the first place... this is easily high school subject matter, at the earliest... and must be done right, not just regurgitating marketing propaganda and scare tactics (err, "curriculum") so generously provided by hollywood.

  61. Standard Tactical Omission: by DiscountBorg(TM) · · Score: 1

    The RIAA was silent on the standard industry practice of directly ripping off the hard work and experimentation of underground alternative rock and electronic artists without so much an iota of credit.

    (one of countless examples: http://flavorwire.com/newswire/is-kehas-stage-show-ripping-off-the-residents)

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  62. Re:Remind me again why schools are funded by taxes by imidan · · Score: 1

    Well, I guess one of the problems is that in a lot of states, schools are getting a decreasing share of tax dollars. The legislature of the State of Idaho is almost comically opposed to education, K-12 and higher, despite our constitution having included specific language requiring the state to fund public education. The school districts actually had to sue the state, in a case that went all the way to the state supreme court, to force the state to continue to pay for critical maintenance of school buildings (things like making sure the roof doesn't collapse).

    I guess what I'm getting at is that if we don't want corporate funding of schools (and the corporate influence on curricula that inevitably comes with), then we should be adequately funding schools with tax dollars. Perhaps by diverting some money from prisons (which is where a lot of the education money has gone in Idaho).

  63. I am one of those students by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Though still an undergrad, every lecture of every writing class starts with a talk on plagiarism. It is the same three points over and over.

    1. If the instructor/readers suspects (yeah, seriously) plagiarism, you fail the assignment. Do it twice and you fail the course.

    2. If the instructor/readers can show a source that was not cited you fail the course.

    3. If you do either of the last two in more than one course or significant paper you are expelled.

    When the punishment for even an innocent mistake is so high that it can wipe out years of work and tens of thousands of dollars there is no way I or anyone else is going to take that risk. Writing something new is irrelevant if I get kicked from my degree program AND have an expulsion on my transcript. It is unbearably intense trying to write anything useful under these conditions so all of us are churning out polished, technically flawless cookie cutter papers with more citations than congressional report reactions.

    1. Re:I am one of those students by Urza9814 · · Score: 1

      Holy crap! At PSU (graduated 2012) we only got the plagiarism talk in writing-intensive classes, and while I don't remember the exact rules there was no instant-fail of the course unless you were caught multiple times. You'd instantly fail the assignment if they had direct proof you plagiarized a significant potion of it. Otherwise they'd maybe write a note that you need to cite your sources and take a couple points off.

  64. Did you finish your english homework? by senorpoco · · Score: 1

    No miss, I wrote to the shakespeare estate asking for permission to do a paper on romeo and juliet but their lawyers haven't gotten back to me yet.

  65. When will the high-fructose corn syrup suppliers.. by mr3xcellent · · Score: 1

    get to develop their own curriculum for our kids?

  66. Extending curriculum development by augahyde · · Score: 1

    I think this is a great idea! I mean, let companies help dictate the curriculum for our kids. We can get Monsanto to handle one on agriculture! How about Walmart on the effects of employee rights and unions?

  67. How about just punishing wrong-doing? by istartedi · · Score: 1

    How about just punishing wrong-doing? When I was a kid, some guys threw a football at a hornet's nest on school grounds. There was the predictable result of everybody running. I got 3 in my jacket, and one of them stung me before I could shake it out. These guys got in trouble eventually.

    There was no call for "hornet's nest education".

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    1. Re:How about just punishing wrong-doing? by barlevg · · Score: 1

      Nowadays, the parents would sue the school for allowing there to be a hornet's nest on school grounds.

    2. Re:How about just punishing wrong-doing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe so. BUT.. I bet you learned something important you'll never forget the rest of your life...

      Mission acomplished.

  68. RIAA/MPAA by perles · · Score: 1

    In USA RIAA/MPAA owns you.

  69. sorry about the bold by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tablet issues...at least it wasn't all CAPS....

  70. First teach it to teachers by earlzdotnet · · Score: 1

    The hilarious irony of this is how many teachers are committing "piracy". My math teacher had an old out of print workbook that he would make copies of(single pages, not the whole thing) and hand out to the class as homework because the workbook had better problems than our current text book. My choir teacher made copies of music clearly marked with "DO NOT COPY" because it was out of print and there was no way to get a legal copy of it anymore. My English teacher copied an excerpt of a story out of one of her old text books that are no longer used and handed it out to the class.

    So yea... this is an extremely stupid idea

  71. Re:Remind me again why schools are funded by taxes by Arker · · Score: 1

    "Remind me again why schools are funded by taxes?"

    Because this gives them an effective monopoly to better ensure that the children of the poor and middle class are indoctrinated in corporate-statism early and thoroughly.

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  72. Kill the corporations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now. While we still (maybe) can.

    captcha: overrun

  73. Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When a nation washes its hands of social responsibility, this is the sort of stuff that rushes in to fill the vacuum.

  74. Homo Corporaticus by rysiek · · Score: 1

    Let's not forget this little gem: Facebook is trying to get into classrooms as an educational tool. Not only will the childre learn from a RIAA-approved curriculum, they will use only corporate, closed walled gardens as their learning and social platform. They will not know a world outside corporate control. For decades here in the Central Europe there was a special name for the perfect Soviet citizen: Homo Sovieticus. Not only does the corporatocracy in the United States (and the rest of the world, increasingly) create a Homo Corporaticus, it creates it in the image of the Eastern counterpart. Oh, it would be so funny had it not been so sad.

  75. Sharing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What happened to "Sharing is caring?"

  76. It doesn't surprise me by TheDarkener · · Score: 1

    I worked for California schools for 4 years as a technical consultant. It hurts me deeply to say, especially since my first son is just starting Kindergarten, that these schools really are going to go with whatever is recommended to them at the highest corporate/political level. I helped bring LTSP and thus Linux to thousands of elementary school kids over this period as a pilot (and after successful pilot, transition from aging Windows PCs in media/computer labs) in 7 schools. It felt so amazing for me to have the honor of exposing this many children to open source software. But, after the acting technoogy director retired, a new one stepped in and quickly pulled the plug on the whole setup, reverting back to Windows.

    It's the same at deeply rooted non-profits for kids. I worked for Boys & Girls Clubs in California, doing the same thing - in addition to LTSP, though, we also had Linux on the back-end fileserver and firewall. It was a great setup. Then, we heard that Microsoft suddenly (and unexpectedly) had given them a grant for new PCs, on the condition that Windows was the only OS installed, and they essentially weren't allowed to "tinker" with them.

    The RIAA and MPAA are very large and rich corporations. They have that much money to throw at conditioning young children that software is something that comes with many restrictions and cannot be shared freely, modified or "tinkered" with. Schools will go along with it as long as there's a benefit for them. The moral standing of the people at the top of the education system's pyramid aren't exactly the best, from what I've experienced, and I'm sure many of them have very close ties with other "industry" executives. Scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. Makes me think of "National Lampoon's Senior Trip". Ha!

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  77. all in all.. by mapkinase · · Score: 1

    All in all it's just another brick in the wall

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  78. First Step: Pirate the curriculum. by moxley · · Score: 1

    First Step: Pirate the curriculum.
    Step 2: Post to internet, create memes
    Step 3: Ridicule curriculum to the point that it's worthless.
    Step 4: Profit?

  79. Re:Try again... by nbauman · · Score: 2

    the U.S. was created very explicitly with the premise that [1] there is a God [2] that this God gave freedom and dignity to each individual (therefore the individual matters)

    Boy, did you get your history wrong. Did they teach the First Amendment where you went to school?

    and [3] those individuals LEND limited power to government .

    Which is it, Christ or Ayn Rand? Can't have both.

  80. So can we skip the warning on DVDs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess they've proven that nobody cares...

  81. Why are we blaming the RIAA/MPAA? by Monsuco · · Score: 2

    The fact that a couple of antiquated cartels are trying to cling desperately to their obsolete business model isn't surprising. The only thing that is surprising is that the State of California is cooperating. If the MPAA / RIAA want to spread an anti-piracy message to children, let them buy advertising time on Nickelodeon, Disney & Cartoon Network. I don't really have a problem with their message, I just see no reason for the state to spend its resources to spread it.

  82. 8 year old me says... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Eight year old me says "I can get movies, video games, and music for free online? ALRIGHT!"

  83. So WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR IT? by Kazoo+the+Clown · · Score: 1

    Where's the funding coming from? Are my kids going to be getting "just say no" lectures when they should be having art or music class instead?

  84. Re:Try again... by MechEMark · · Score: 0

    the U.S. was created very explicitly with the premise that [1] there is a God [2] that this God gave freedom and dignity to each individual (therefore the individual matters)

    Boy, did you get your history wrong. Did they teach the First Amendment where you went to school?

    and [3] those individuals LEND limited power to government .

    Which is it, Christ or Ayn Rand? Can't have both.

    While the Declaration of Independence is not a legal document of the United States, the fact that its sigantories were the framers of the American government implies that the Declaration means that it should offer insight into the founding of the American government and it quite clearly lays out points [1], [2], and [3], above, and in that order.

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness." (http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html)

  85. We don't need corporate proselytizing in classes.. by Delusion_ · · Score: 1

    We need media literacy as a core skill taught in all levels of education. "Who is bringing this message to you?" "What do they want you to believe or do after receiving this message?" "How do the parties responsible for bringing you this message benefit if you accept its message?" "Who disagrees with this message, and what do they have to say about it?"

    "Intellectual property" as a moral right that never expires wasn't put into the Constitution. It was created by lobbyists, robber-barons, and corporations. Copyright that lasts forever is illegal, so the goal is "forever minus one day" which is effectively the same thing but looks better in the courts. It's time to tell the RIAA and MPAA companies that enough is enough, and to curb their power to turn participatory culture into mere consumerism by putting an end to never-ending copyright terms. Cut it off at five years - no extensions - and be done with it.

    Copyright law was originally written to enrich the public domain, not impoverish it. Now, all it does is the latter.

  86. The answer is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Private schools, it's the only sensible choice for anyone that cares about their children.

  87. Creative Commons in Use! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The music in the video:

    http://condenastl3cdn.cust.footprint.net/videos/523c935b4ffb60d3af00001f/low.webm

    States at -0:07:

    Music Licensed Under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0

    They want to have it both ways!

  88. Honestly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe if more people spent less time in 'holier than thou' religious pissing contests and more time 'doing like the good book says' rather than 'doing like the good book says when my peers are looking', maybe the world would be on the upswing instead of the downswing today :)

  89. Must've been an upscale school. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ours only had Roundtable and Pepsi and it was only part of the week.

  90. Hey Kids! by zappa420 · · Score: 1

    "Hey Kids... Everybody having a greeeaaatttt day???? Raise your hands if you've seen Mom or Dad ever use a program called Utorrent. It looks like this," "Hey Johnny, you've done fantastic today, so fantastic that you've won a free game!!!! Just plug his free usb stick into your Moms computer and hit Next and Ok and you'll get to play this great new free game!"

  91. Both of you are wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would it be any more correct to complain "Remind me again why state schools are funded by corporate backing?"?

    No?

    Because it's just as accurate. The schools are not funded in just the same way as, despite owning fifty shares in Cisco, you do not fund Cisco's entire operations. The taxes pay for SOME of what's needed, but the schools are under funded. That means they are NOT being funded by taxes, they're being *partially* funded by taxation.

    So if it's part taxes, why is it that part of the curriculum being set by commercial interests and private industry a diatribe against paying taxes for it? If you don't like the propaganda from private industry PAY MORE FOR YOUR SCHOOLS.

    What's funny is that I never hear, despite government aid into private industry, a compliant about "Why is it that taxpayer funded GM is keeping the taxpayer in the dark? They MUST obey FOIA!"

    1. Re:Both of you are wrong. by tlambert · · Score: 1

      The taxes pay for SOME of what's needed, but the schools are under funded. That means they are NOT being funded by taxes, they're being *partially* funded by taxation.

      So if it's part taxes, why is it that part of the curriculum being set by commercial interests and private industry a diatribe against paying taxes for it? If you don't like the propaganda from private industry PAY MORE FOR YOUR SCHOOLS.

      I'd be happy to pay more for schools. Let's take the funding out of the money that''s going to systemic corruption and non-cash-balance public pensions, rather than being some evil organizations bitch.

  92. How many geeks does it take to justify stealling? by SQLGeezer · · Score: 1

    We had anti-piracy education when I was a kid. It went like this: "Stealing is wrong. Don't do it. There will be bad consequences if you do, and good consequences if you don't." Our society creates technology to make taking something you didn't buy or create easy and at the same time relegate personal ethics to the trash can. But, really, this is great commentary. Absolutely hilarious. And while you're at it, get off my friggin lawn.

  93. Homeschool by CodeHxr · · Score: 1

    This has to be one of the best reasons for yanking kids out of school and turning to homeschooling that I've ever heard! (Barring specific medical conditions, etc.)

  94. Re:We don't need corporate proselytizing in classe by CodeHxr · · Score: 1

    It's time to tell the RIAA and MPAA companies that enough is enough, and to curb their power to turn participatory culture into mere consumerism by putting an end to never-ending copyright terms.

    I'm all for this. How do we do it? Especially if they're even half as entwined with the government as the tin foils suggest...

  95. Re:We don't need corporate proselytizing in classe by Delusion_ · · Score: 1

    I don't think you enter tinfoil land by acknowledging how law is written in this country, and by whom. Industry lobbyists frequently come to Congress with exactly the legislation they want already written.

    I presume that since this issue is (briefly) referenced in the Constitution, it would probably require a Constitutional Amendment to alter in any meaningful way that isn't continued extension:

    Article I, Section 8, Clause 8

    To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

    I discussed this a bit in a blog post, SOPA, the Open Act, and Copyright: A Five Year Plan and flesh it out there a bit more than I do here. The Amendment process is probably the only way this can ever happen because it's the only method that doesn't count on Congress doing the morally defensible thing.

  96. Think of the children! by zooblethorpe · · Score: 1

    No, seriously.

    Schools are free to not use it, not pay for it. No one is putting a gun to their head.

    So then, are the kids in those schools similarly free to not use it, and not be subjected to it?

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    1. Re:Think of the children! by sycodon · · Score: 1

      Are you serious? The administration is there to make that decision for the kids. Yes, kids in schools have these decisions made for them. That's why they are in school.

      You are free to run for the school board or attend the meetings and make your objections known. You can start an information campaign in the community. You can try to get the School Board members recalled. And who do you think creates the curriculum? Former and current educational professionals.

      You have to give up this knee jerk, "business is bad' bullshit.

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  97. Not at all a conflict of interest! by bitterblackale · · Score: 1

    Because the Motion Picture Association of America are totally unbiased when it comes to interpretation of intellectual property law.