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Battlefield Director: Linux Only Needs One 'Killer' Game To Explode

dryriver writes with an except from Polygon's interview with DICE creative directory Lars Gustavsson, who says it would only take one "killer" game for Linux to break into mainstream gaming (something some would argue it already has): "We strongly want to get into Linux for a reason," Gustavsson said. "It took Halo for the first Xbox to kick off and go crazy — usually, it takes one killer app or game and then people are more than willing [to adopt it] — it is not hard to get your hands on Linux, for example, it only takes one game that motivates you to go there." "I think, even then, customers are getting more and more convenient, so you really need to convince them how can they marry it into their daily lives and make an integral part of their lives," he explained, sharing that the studio has used Linux servers because it was a "superior operating system to do so." Valve's recently announced Steam OS and Steam Machines are healthy for the console market, Gustavsson said when asked for his opinion on Valve's recent announcements."

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  1. YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Finally, The Year Of The Linux Desktop has come!

    1. Re:YOLD! by craigminah · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, hopefully it will run on my shiney new G5 PowerBook which also is finally here.

    2. Re:YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't worry, you will be able to boot to a text-mode console and fiddle endlessly with X server dependency hell trying to get a graphical environment going.

      Ah, I see your problem. You must be running a Linux distro from 10 years ago. I know your uptime is probably the stuff of legends right now, but maybe you ought to think about upgrading to a modern Linux distro if you want to play games.

    3. Re:YOLD! by Nerdfest · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ignoring your FUD about Google and Valve, there are good reasons why it's important for Linux to be viable as a desktop environment. The main reason is that the other two main contenders seem to be moving towards a more 'controlled' sort of environment where they get a cut of all software sold and can allow or disallow whatever they want. Apple seems to be moving OSX towards the iOS model, with some iCloud features only available to software sold through their OSX app store. Microsoft, now that they are no longer being monitored closely for anti-competitive behaviour has had the way paved by iOS, and is implementing the same model with 'Metro'. You'll start to see the 'classic' interface an installation model lose support in future versions. That 30% cut looks pretty good to them.

      Valve can see what's happening and wants to get ahead of the pack. They want to deploy on an open platform.

      I want to be able to install any software I want without having to have it 'approved' by someone, and I'd like to have the option having my software and applications be open source so I can be more sure that various governments are not privy to my personal business. Of course, maybe that's just me. If you don't mind only having computing platforms that are basically walled-garden consoles, you need not worry. I'm sure they will also be available.

    4. Re:YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would Valve shoot itself in the foot?

    5. Re: YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      All thanks to Tux Racer!!!

    6. Re:YOLD! by WaywardGeek · · Score: 1

      Linux already dominates the gaming market. There are hundreds of thousands of games available for Android/Linux. If Debian/Linux and friends have trouble attracting the gaming crowed, it's quite simply not the fault of Linux.

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    7. Re: YOLD! by s.petry · · Score: 2

      I don't have much hope. Not that long ago there was a company called Loki that ported tons of games to Linux. I bought at least 4 of them. They were well do e ports, east to install and run, same price as windows games though not what we would call "new" releases. Not enough interest from the Linux community I reckon, because after about a year they went under.

      most game houses make money by volume and Linux simply does not have much desktop volume. Better than 5 years ago? Sure, but enough to support development of games? I am not so sure.

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    8. Re:YOLD! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Informative

      you ought to think about upgrading to a modern Linux distro

      Yeah, like SteamOS.

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    9. Re: YOLD! by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Holy lack of grammar batman! My eyes were dialated a bit ago and I was sure it looked ok...

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    10. Re:YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed!

      My parents currently prefer Linux specifically for the games.

    11. Re:YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "They want to deploy on an open platform" should be "They want to deploy their own platform." Whether it will be "open" or not is very much in question.

    12. Re:YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      Nerdfest accuses others of spreading FUD

      ignoring your FUD about Google and Valve...

      Then does it himself

      Microsoft, now that they are no longer being monitored closely for anti-competitive behaviour has had the way paved by iOS, and is implementing the same model with 'Metro'. You'll start to see the 'classic' interface an installation model lose support in future versions.

    13. Re:YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Minor point: Valve doesn't want to deploy on an open platform, they just vehemently do *not* want to compete with Microsoft's "marketplace", or cede 30% to them. They want to control the store, just like Apple, Google and Microsoft.

    14. Re: YOLD! by sumdumass · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm not sure all college students are capable of understanding those concepts or even capable of caring about them. Most college students I have seen are more worried about the bling the neighbor has, how much jack they will pocket once employed, and of course where the party is tonight. Quite a bit of college students are only there because they were told it was what they needed to do if they wanted a decent job. They aren't there exactly to learn or learn about the concepts of a micro-kernel. While a few are there to learn and further their wisdom, it is more of a put my time in so I will make lots of money thing for most college students.

    15. Re:YOLD! by binarylarry · · Score: 1

      I'm thinking SteamOS is going to have some problems running on a PowerPC device. :)

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    16. Re: YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dude, i'm pretty sure that was joke.

    17. Re:YOLD! by besalope · · Score: 2

      I'm thinking SteamOS is going to have some problems running on a PowerPC device. :)

      Well, I suppose it's good that Apple switched to Intel and the x86 architecture in 2005 and dropped support for PPC chips in 2009...

    18. Re:YOLD! by Shikaku · · Score: 1, Insightful

      But it's already started. There's no "classic" interface in Windows RT. Windows RT only supports apps from the Windows Store. If Metro actually was doing well (or hell they may try it anyway) then the desktop version will slowly follow suit.

    19. Re:YOLD! by binarylarry · · Score: 1

      The GPP specifically said "G5 PowerBook."

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    20. Re:YOLD! by amiga3D · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not FUD if it's true, it's simply FACT. Do you dispute that this is what's happening? It's not like Microsoft is trying to hide what they're doing.

    21. Re:YOLD! by muridae · · Score: 4, Informative

      Before the game needs patched? If the game is making calls to OpenGL, then the game doesn't care how the window manager/desktop or the X11/X.org/Wayland/etc handle those calls as long as the version of OpenGL is supported. The only issue will come down to how kernel updates are managed. Too many people punch their package manager for every update, then whine when the bleeding edge kernel isn't supported by the closed-source binary driver for their bleeding-edge graphics card. This is either a problem in the distribution (pushing kernel updates without full support) or the user (updating the kernel without the right binaries available) depending on how you want to look at it. Or to save space, they update a library with a rapidly changing API to the newest version every time a release comes along, and then file bug reports everywhere. If the library isn't stable, then the game devs should force dependency on a certain release, or static link it. And if the user wants to uninstall the library when the game says 'hey, I depend on that' and the package manager allows it? That's back to a distro problem. So it seems like the real problems are average users using bleeding-edge distributions, or stupidly uninstalling things they shouldn't. Hey, I wonder what would happen if I went and uninstalled all those DX patches in SysWOW folders, think everything will still run right afterwards?

      Frankly, stabilizing a set of "these files will be available to all games if the OS level is at least at patch version X.Y.Z" seems to be what SteamOS is aiming at. Which would let users do exactly what you say the average users want to be able to do.

    22. Re:YOLD! by interkin3tic · · Score: 5, Informative

      Google's store is not exclusive on android, you can install apps outside the store or via amazon without google having any say over it. You uncheck an option in settings. So I'd argue that "control just like google" is actually a pretty loose standard compared to how apple does it on the ipad or iphone.

      I'd bet good money against steam limiting where you could install aps from on steam OS. In the beta for the steamboxes, they explictly say you can do whatever you want with the free computers they're handing out. On PCs, obviously, steam has become dominant without following the apple model of being the only store allowed on hardware, so I can't imagine why they'd need to resort to it now.

    23. Re:YOLD! by ArbitraryName · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sigh. There was never a G5 Powerbook, they stopped at G4. That was the joke.

    24. Re: YOLD! by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      You are probably right. I find myself often needing jokes explained to me. Why should this be any different.

    25. Re: YOLD! by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure all college students are capable of understanding those concepts or even capable of caring about them.

      I'm sure if you mention them to a Basket Weaving or Film Studies major her eyes will just glaze over.

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    26. Re: YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See, you reasoned counterargument is labeled as "flamebait." Welcome to the echo chamber that is slashdot. Its so really pathetic.

    27. Re:YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I'm sure developers are just raking in the dough from people who uncheck the box and install software.

    28. Re:YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Older versions of Windows don't disappear just because Windows 8 came out.

      Other options to a "controlling" Microsoft/Apple aren't just Linux, it's also the existing versions of Microsoft that aren't controlling. That's a fact that Linux enthusiasts always ignore.

    29. Re:YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows is highly heterogeneous. You're stuck in the past or living under a rock if you think developing for windows vista, 7 and 8 on both 32 and 64 bit is easier then linux.

    30. Re: YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude seriously "not that long ago"? It was around 14 years ago!

    31. Re:YOLD! by smash · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Android is not linux. Android is a platform that runs ON TOP OF linux.

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    32. Re:YOLD! by geekprime · · Score: 0

      I'd downmod you for being snarky but it's sadly true.

    33. Re:YOLD! by geekprime · · Score: 2

      Dude, Windows RT/surface, is completely locked into the Microsoft walled garden. You cannot buy or install an application from anywhere but the microsoft market.

      So, Um, how is warning about that considered "fud"? It seems pretty fucking certain to me.

    34. Re:YOLD! by gringer · · Score: 0

      It's not FUD if it's true, it's simply FACT

      You can make someone scared, uncertain and doubtful about your sanity by stating that they've got thousands of little hairs that they can't see on their face, and you enjoy cutting hairs that are very close to the skin using a razor blade. And then mention there might be a little blood involved, but you're game to give it a try.

      My point is, it's perfectly possible to generate FUD by bending the truth (otherwise known by salespeople as "stating FACTs").

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    35. Re:YOLD! by Andtalath · · Score: 1, Informative

      Not really in question no.

      They can go back on everything they've said and make it closed, but it is supposed to be open and hackable from everything they've said.

      Not steam itself, but everything else.

    36. Re:YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Open or closed, games and Photoshop (et al.) are some of the few things left keeping Linux from widespread adoption. And at least now we have Valve pushing games on to Linux.

      Biz/Office software is well covered between Google and Libre/Open Office (for most people, Im sure one asshole is gonna whine about some excel mail merge shit he cant do).

      If Adobe doesn't get their shot together like Valve is, they will end up getting replaced too (though probably not by the Gimp because that shit just sucks).

      A few more pieces need to fall into place for Linux to rule, but it's closer now than I have ever seen it and I'm not an advocate by any means. Pro Audio would be another area it could use some support. Something like Pro Tools/Cubase/Ableton/Reason/etc -- All it takes is one really good (competitive) port to tip the scales. There are even some pretty decent(?) open-source apps (Qtractor, Ardour). 3D has Blender (very different from most, but still very powerful).

      Unfortunately Photoshop is the only game in town for their software, so that one still may take awhile.

    37. Re: YOLD! by Mabhatter · · Score: 2

      And Valve is willing to extend the Steam system to Apps and not just games. That might be enough to entice some porting, maybe some of the smaller Mac houses will bite.

    38. Re: YOLD! by Mabhatter · · Score: 1

      Microkernels lost out because they add too much programming overhead. In a fancy server environment there were already ways around rebooting anyway. In a consumer OS people turn the devices off often enough that adding 20% more programming work to EVERY project made micro kernels stay in a hobby niche.

      It's the pragmatic how much work do I make for people NOW, versus using a new way that might save people a bunch of time in certain cases.

    39. Re: YOLD! by Mabhatter · · Score: 1

      I have to admit he's right for commercial games... Linux is just not the platform.

      I run Minecraft on Mont Linux. Minrcraft is almost pure Java... So this should be easy, peasy, right? Ha! Every Mint refresh breaks something, every Java update breaks something, each update of one breaks the other breaks Minecraft.

      Minecraft is about the most "universal" Java application out there because it runs the same code in all the platforms. It's he best you are going to get for a cross-platform game experience... And On Linux its just plain tough.

    40. Re:YOLD! by ReeceTarbert · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The main reason is that the other two main contenders seem to be moving towards a more 'controlled' sort of environment where they get a cut of all software sold and can allow or disallow whatever they want.

      How is that any different from Valve's business model?

      That 30% cut looks pretty good to them.

      You mean that Valve let games in the store just because they're a bunch of nice guys?

      Valve can see what's happening and wants to get ahead of the pack.

      Call me jaded but, as I see it, this is just Valve's pushing for more control and a bigger slice of the pie -- just like any other company. The fact that they say Linux (but mostly SteamOS, really) might make us feel all warm inside, but it doesn't change that.

      Oh, and let's not forget for a moment that STEAM is, in fact, a subscription service. Try to not to accept the next change to their ToS and see how many of those games you'll be to play.

      RT.

    41. Re:YOLD! by sg_oneill · · Score: 1

      Hot SteamOS gritts down the pants.

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    42. Re:YOLD! by liamevo · · Score: 1

      You have to ignore the existence of steamOS for your post to really be relevant.

    43. Re:YOLD! by Eskarel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Microsoft has an app store, and they've moved it onto their desktop OS. No one uses it and Microsoft don't seem to care, they have an app store because they have a phone and a tablet. Nothing of any significance is distributed through it and outside of the RT which given that there's no real market for ARM based windows software doesn't even really matter, nothing at all stops you from installing software from wherever the hell you want whenever you want.

      Valve also doesn't give a crap about whether an OS is going to become controlled, they care whether they're going to be the ones who control it. Right now there's pretty much only one way to get the vast majority of games on Windows, and that's through Steam, even if you buy a physical copy you get activation through Steam.

      Valve doesn't give a flying fuck about Linux, or freedom, or open source they care about their own profit margins. They seem SteamOS as a cheap way to build a console and get a piece of that market which is right now the majority of the gaming market. They are willing to open source it all because what they're exactly like Google. They want as many people consuming their services as they can.

      This won't magically make Linux gaming, it'll still be virtually impossible to get games up and running on any given Linux distribution and publishers will still want DRM. What you'll get at the end of this is the ability to buy some games from Steam, on supported versions of Linux(essentially SteamOS only in all likelihood), with hardware that Steam supports. It might let you get rid of you Windows partition, but it won't make you free either as in beer or as in speech.

    44. Re:YOLD! by Eskarel · · Score: 1, Informative

      On Surface RT, that's true. On Surface Pro and Windows 8, it's not. It's not even entirely true on RT, though given that there's bugger all supported ARM software for Windows and RT doesn't have the non RT libraries on it, you'll have a hell of a time finding anything else to install on it.

    45. Re:YOLD! by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      You won't be able to make a binary application work on OSX 10.1 through 10.8, 10.1 - 10.3 were PPC only, and 10.6+ is x86 only with 10.7 dropping support for PPC emulation...

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    46. Re:YOLD! by DragonTHC · · Score: 1

      I've had those problems with ubuntu 12.10

      And getting the nvidia driver installed and working takes a small miracle.

      Maybe Raging Ringtail might be better.

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    47. Re:YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Relevant XKCD: http://xkcd.com/887/

    48. Re: YOLD! by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      maybe some of the smaller Mac houses will bite.

      Unlikely, GUI toolkits for Linux are such a joke. Windows developers are used to shitty looking UIs with crappy APIs, Mac developers are the opposite.

      Note: I do both.

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    49. Re:YOLD! by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      Uhm, why not? I do it every day.

      OSX support fat binaries. One binary can contain ppc, i386, x84-64, arm6, arm7, arm7s and arm8.

      I know this because I have libraries that do just that. I have two separate executables for iOS version OS X due to other differences, but processor architecture has absolutely nothing to do with it, hence why the libraries support all architectures.

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    50. Re: YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The arguments for free as in freedom software seem pretty thin for games, whereas for actually-useful software they make a lot of sense.

    51. Re: YOLD! by grcumb · · Score: 2, Funny

      Windows developers are used to shitty looking UIs with crappy APIs, Mac developers are the opposite.

      So Mac developers are used to crappy UIs with shitty-looking APIs?

      (I kid, I kid. I just get these Sheldon moments from time to time...)

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    52. Re:YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The FUD is in the last sentence. I do dispute that Microsoft will eliminate the classic method of installing programs on Windows.

    53. Re:YOLD! by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Your snark means exactly nothing.

      My guess is they make exactly the same amount. Step one: want to install app. Step two: find out you have to uncheck box.

    54. Re:YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux doesn't "dominate" anything. At best it barely edges out iOS on handhelds.

    55. Re: YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about college students that will actually matter in the future? You know, those who won't end up working at Starbucks because they wanted to become 'artists'.

    56. Re:YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I happen to somewhat agree but you left out a very important project called FreeBSD. Sure the License allows closed/proprietary software but the OS itself is quite open and that's what I feel is far more important then any fight about Linux/BSD.

      In regards to Apple and Microsoft, you're right on. Both of them are closed and going completely closed with IOS/Metro and this is why OEM hardware vendors are beginning to push back against MS. They're starting to taste sour milk and it's only going to get worse with the direction MS is heading.

      This is one of the multitude of reasons I'm a supporter of Open Source. Keeping options available to do what I want with My god damn computer. Now if MS or Apple want's to provide the damn thing free of charge, then I'm quite willing to let them maintain things and have their way as I then don't own the damn thing but they don't want that. They want to own everything I do yet offer me nothing in exchange other then an over priced monthly fee. Fuck that. I'm retired and you can't even pry my keyboard out of my dead hands when it happens because it'll be buried with me.

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    57. Re: YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've tried Macs (Have a friend) and I don't see anything that looks better on a Mac then Windows or Linux. It all depends on the Window Manager and how much fucking Eye Candy (IOS7 anyone?) they can cram down our throats. Sorry but I'll stick with Fluxbox as it offers enough features to support my using the computer instead of getting in the way like we're seeing with Metro and the latest animation crap from IOS7.

    58. Re:YOLD! by gerddie · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Any games developed for it, will only work for about 3 months without needing constant patches against newer OS's bubblegum and bailing wire package management.

      Wrong, I can still play Civilization, Call to Power(1999), Neverwinternights (2003), Doom 3 (2005) and other IDtech4 games, And yet It Moves(2009) on my current Gentoo/Linux installation. All these games haven't seem patches in ages.

      If "Linux" wants to become a competitor to the PS4/Xbone, then throw all that GUI shit away and just have a thing bare-metal layer OS. NO GUI-wowzits. If someone wants to install a GUI later so they can also use their Steambox as a Multimedia PC, Office typing thingamigiggery, let them. But just please keep quit trying to be a desktop AND a game OS.

      Guess what, "Linux" is exactly like this. Just install the latest GNU/Debian and you will have to explicitly select the GUI option. Besides, I don't really see why a GUI should be a problem. Most games open a window, often fullscreen, and then do all the drawing themselves, the only thing the GUI is doing is, drawing the windows frame if the game window is not fullscreen.

      As it is, If I need Windows development, I use Windows, if I need Mac OS X, I have a Mac Mini to do iOS development. If I could just make a Universal Binary that also worked on Linux I'd sure as hell enable that. Just Linux itself never works.

      Funny, I do all my primary development on Linux, and if I want to do cross-platform, the odd one out is usually MS Windows. Just getting all required libraries installed on Windows is a nightmare, because the only non-cygwin way to get a stable combination of libraries is to compile them all be yourself ensuring that you always use the same compiler flags.

      Nobody in their right goddamn mind would use Linux as a Desktop, let alone a game PC except for people who enjoy "hacking" things to make them work.

      No. I had two flatmates, one studying geology, the other working at a lawyers office, both preferred Ubuntu Linux, and they were certainly not "Hackers", they simply enjoyed an OS that worked on their Laptops without having to worry about the latest antivirus and with very simple means to get a lot of software for free with only a few clicks.

      Joe-average-user just wants to put the Disc in the drive or click a menu and run the game, not fiddle with drivers, dependencies and GUI bullshit.

      And Joe-average user can just do that: I bought two of the Humble Bundles and for all the games I actually cared to install I downloaded a bit TGZ, or SH file, unpacked it and the game just run. Doing the same thing with a CD/DVD should be no different. Even when I bought Civilization (call to power) in 1999 it worked by just popping a CD into the drive and installing on Linux.

    59. Re:YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On Surface RT, it's true. In regards to Pro and Win8 - it's simply a matter of Time. They've already started the shit with the XB-One (It's got the same app store). The question is, how long will it be before MS locks Windows down the same way? How long before Windows becomes just like Android and requires an Always On connection so you can create content instead of Consume shit? Yes I've got an Android Device "Nexus 7" and let me tell you, you can't even enter an appointment into the fucking Google Calendar or create a new document without being connected to Google - yet that was one of the so called Selling Points that caused me to buy it instead of an iPad and I dislike Apple. Cost did play a role in the decision but it wasn't as great as my dislike for iTunes and all the crap Apple insists on installing just to use their iPad with a Windows Machine. At least Google didn't insist on Installing a whole bunch of crap when I connected the Nexus to my Windows box and yes I was using Windows when we bought the damn thing.

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    60. Re: YOLD! by WaywardGeek · · Score: 1

      Don't feel bad. It's a common trait among many of the best programmers I've known. For example, at one point my wife was working on a web site for helping angel investors find entrepreneurs they want to invest in, and entrepreneurs to find angels they want as investors. She called it a "dating site for angle investors and entrepreneurs", and everyone always understood what she meant. Except my hard-core algorithm geek co-workers. They just stared at here with blank expressions, and then one of them asked, "Why would angel investors want to date entrepreneurs?"

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    61. Re:YOLD! by Nerdfest · · Score: 2

      The difference is that it looks like SteamOS or will remain an open platform. If they start heading where Apple and Microsoft are heading, I'll agree with you, but for now it seems okay. They control their own market, but you can install install other markets. Same as the advantage of Android over iOS. One is an open computing platform and the other is an appliance.

    62. Re:YOLD! by Vanderhoth · · Score: 2

      All the signs point to that is what they're doing. Secure boot, App store, Metro interface, RT versions, making their own hardware. Also with the attitude they've taken in doubling down on stupidity and doing the opposite of what the majority their client base is screaming for. The evidence is there that they're planning on locking down the system in the near future.

    63. Re: YOLD! by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 4, Funny

      In former Soviet Union, grits Beowulf your pants cluster. Ah, forget it...

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    64. Re:YOLD! by mcgrew · · Score: 0

      I'd downmod you for being stupidly wrong but I don't have mod points, shill.

    65. Re:YOLD! by uM0p+ap!sdn+ · · Score: 2

      That was your first mistake, using ubuntu period.

    66. Re:YOLD! by umafuckit · · Score: 1

      ignoring your FUD about Google and Valve, there are good reasons why it's important for Linux to be viable as a desktop environment. The main reason is that the other two main contenders seem to be moving towards a more 'controlled' sort of environment where they get a cut of all software sold and can allow or disallow whatever they want.

      Linux is a viable desktop environment now, it's just that the masses prefer/use Windows. Let them have it along with their viruses, malware, and over-priced little utilities like Winzip. In the meantime, Linux does everything I need.

    67. Re: YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you chose women the same way you choose operating systems you'd be going for strippers and models, without having taken the time to see what is beyond the appearance.

      iOS 7, as an example, for me is a major step up from iOS 6. More pretty, yes, but a lot of nice little additions. To cite a couple of examples: airplane mode in a drag and one click, and cell data usage broken down by application. That's just scratching the surface. You need to use something for a while - not just glance over the shoulder of a friend for a few minutes.

    68. Re: YOLD! by WaywardGeek · · Score: 1

      I just install the Oracle binary for JRE7 in my home directory in Ubuntu, and then don't bother updating it unless there's another Java scare. It seems to run forever, without a hiccup, update after update. I'd prefer to use OpenJDK, and I do for all my own Java projects, but after experiencing exactly what you are describing, I just hold my noise and install the closed-source binary. Java is *so* close to write-once, run anywhere, but in the end, evil marketing geniuses at Sun Micro put in just enough poison pills to make it a Sun-only system for the big Java titles. I often find it easier to port C code from Linux to Windows than Java from Oracle JDK to OpenJDK on the same version of Linux.

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    69. Re: YOLD! by dead_user · · Score: 1

      All of which can already be done on a jailbroken IOS. Except SBSettings can do more than the IOS7 command center. Way more.

    70. Re: YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe if you're 7 years old, and really like penguins.

    71. Re: YOLD! by IICV · · Score: 1

      They were well do e ports, east to install and run, same price as windows games though not what we would call "new" releases.

      That's exactly the problem - year old games don't sell systems.

      Think about it in terms of consoles - people don't buy the PS3 or the Xbox360 because they wanted the console, they buy the console because there's a specific game they want to play. That's exactly the reason why the WiiU has done poorly so far; there's no system-selling games for it.

      Basically, if Valve can release Linux-exclusive game (even if it's Linux-exclusive just for a little while) with wide appeal, it'll encourage a ton of people to actually install SteamOS or maybe buy a SteamBox. The problem is getting your foot in the door, and so far Linux hasn't had anything like that.

    72. Re:YOLD! by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      No miracle at all. If installing the driver is a challenge, just get smxi scripts to do it for you.

      http://smxi.org/site/about.htm

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    73. Re: YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That and Linux does run Hyper-V

    74. Re: YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You always need to beat them with an algorithm book immediately before explaining anything that has to to with common sense.

    75. Re:YOLD! by magic+maverick+ · · Score: 1

      You had two flatmates? What happened to them? You killed and ate them?

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    76. Re:YOLD! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      In that case, neither Ubuntu nor Fedora is Linux. There's about as much glibc code as there is Linux code in one of those, and the amount of X.org code dwarfs either. Even if you strip it back to a non-graphical core that can just boot, there's more GNU code than Linux. If you take a system like Debian and replace the kernel with a FreeBSD kernel, most users won't notice the difference.

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    77. Re: YOLD! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Minrcraft is almost pure Java... So this should be easy, peasy, right?

      I think people stopped believing that about a decade ago.

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    78. Re:YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Screw that noise! I'm gonna run it on my brand spanking new monster Sparc!

    79. Re:YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope: "They just want to leverage the open source momentum to maximize the monetary output of their proprietary content delivery franchise."

    80. Re: YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure that's not a Minecraft problem? From what I've heard there are many people having such issues on Windows aswell.

      Myself however have not seen those. My kids have played Minecraft on our Ubuntu desktop since the early alpha versions and through several versions of Ubuntu at that.

    81. Re: YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These mandatory jokes and irony is becoming unbearable.

    82. Re:YOLD! by wytcld · · Score: 0

      Valve is, in my brief acquaintance, evil. My 8 year old wanted to get Euro Truck Simulator 2, having seen it on YouTube. So figuring that SteamOS is just going to be a Ubuntu variant anyway, we installed Steam on his Linux laptop, and bought the game from them. They said it ran on Linux. If you're lucky, it might. The game developer doesn't even sell it for Linux. It's just Valve that claims it runs on Linux. The developer says there's a problem with compatibility with the Mesa libs, which they blame on Mesa, and have no ETA for a fix. Valve says tough shit, you didn't buy the game, you just "subscribed," so no refund, even though they falsely advertised it as running on Linux.

      Finally after challenging their fraud with my credit card issuer, they backed down. But they're total scamsters. Selling games for platforms where they know the games won't run, or would know if they checked the game authors and their own forums, and then claiming that their bogus click-through contracts mean that they can defraud you just as much as they like, thank you, and suck on it.

      Anyway, SteamOS is apparently just going to be Ubuntu, which already has steam debs, plus some hardware specs to help manufacturers build game boxes running it. Big PR, but a smart manufacturer who wanted to could already install Ubuntu + steam on game-capable hardware. If this means that Valve will put resources into improving the Mesa libs so that games they claim work on Linux actually will, that would be cool. But not in line with their character as they're currently displaying it. They clearly don't give a fuck if stuff won't run, as long as they've already pocketed your money.

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    83. Re:YOLD! by exomondo · · Score: 1

      The GPP specifically said "G5 PowerBook."

      So now you need to ask yourself, "do you know what a G5 Powerbook is?" based on your responses I'm guessing you don't.

    84. Re:YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MS has the 'metro' store front and center in their new OS, that's why.

    85. Re:YOLD! by khellendros1984 · · Score: 1

      Well, it *also* has a note in the Linux system requirements for that game that "MESA may not work reliably with ETS2". Maybe it didn't when you bought it, but in my experience, Valve has had a decent record in fixing issues as they come up (or at least informing users that they might have problems with certain configurations.

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    86. Re: YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All of which can already be done on a jailbroken IOS. Except SBSettings can do more than the IOS7 command center. Way more.

      or by replacing the shell on any linux, windows or osx system...what's your point?

    87. Re:YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut the fuck up, blind zealot.

    88. Re:YOLD! by kermidge · · Score: 1

      Huh? Sorry to hear of your troubles, but:

      (Btw, installing classicmenu-indicator is a good thing to do if you use the default Unity DE/DM.)

      Select driver in the additional drivers tab of software and updates. Unless you truly need the latest, go with tested.

      Run nvidia-settings - type nvidia in the search thingy, up comes the right (and only) thing to click on. (If you really want to, type nvidia-settings in terminal, it's the same utility.)

      Log out, log in - or reboot; either seems to work.

      Done.

      Look, I'm the guy from 1980 for whom the term PEBKAC was invented (not really,but it fits), and if I can do it, so can you.

    89. Re: YOLD! by binarylarry · · Score: 1

      Yep, especially lame ones like the above.

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    90. Re: YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the plural of anecdote is not data

    91. Re:YOLD! by djdanlib · · Score: 1

      Up... time? That would imply DOWNTIME!

      Why, it's so good that I toggled the bits with a magnetized needle before I ever installed the hard drive!

      Just you wait, someday MUDs will make a comeback and we'll see who laughs!

      (Many jokes are present in this thread. Look a little closer.)

    92. Re:YOLD! by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Why not an Itanic?

    93. Re: YOLD! by Belial6 · · Score: 2

      Loki fell prey to the chicken and egg problem. Steam has a solution for this. You see, a lot of people don't want to buy games on Linux because they don't know if the next game they want will be Windows only. This makes buying Windows games safer. Steam gives you every version available when you buy a game. This means that if you are running Linux, buying Linux games, and you have to switch to Windows in a year, you still have all those games. Running Linux for your games loses all of it's risk. You can even run Linux on the machine hooked to your TV and Windows on your desktop. Loki's system would have required you to buy two separate copies of the game.

    94. Re:YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux will never be a viable desktop.
      Or, it could be, IF every Microsoft, Apple and Google, and whatever OS maker exists at the time, all suddenly screw up and their OSs stink.
      Two, anything running on Linux will also run on other platforms.
      Three, the only people running Linux are those that want something free, or something different, or are just too muleheaded to switch to something else.
      Considering how Microsoft and Apple keep screwing up and Google's darker and darker trends, #1 still might not happen, but it will make other companies look to Valve as an example.

    95. Re:YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Metro

      It's called Modern UI.

    96. Re:YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, give them a minute, they're being recompiled.

    97. Re: YOLD! by DEN_GUY · · Score: 1

      Looks user friendly.

    98. Re:YOLD! by balladeer · · Score: 1

      Everywhere I see SteamOS billed as Open Source and free but Valve's page just mentions free and doesn't say what kind of "free" that is.

    99. Re: YOLD! by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Well, I agree that Steam may be doing things better. It still does not negate the fact that the majority of Desktops are already Windows. Moving to Linux for most people will mean that either: 1) They keep a Windows system or 2) They lose all their Windows Stuff.

      Dual boot is not something most people will do, so a viable alternative but not realistic.

      Again, I think it's great. I supported Loki when I could because I wanted to see more people in Linux in addition to using Linux much more than Windows (work forces me there). I'm just not confident it will take off. Loki was only a few months behind most Video games at the time, and some came out with Windows games (RailRoad Tycoon II). It didn't happen mostly because people see it as a much higher cost alternative to a game console.

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    100. Re: YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      from their site..." It does not support Ubuntu based distros because there are too many differences between Debian and Ubuntu."

    101. Re:YOLD! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

      but Valve's page just mentions free and doesn't say what kind of "free" that is.

      It's the kind of "free" that's more free than Windows or Mac OS or iOS.

      Sometimes, that's enough for now, you know?

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    102. Re:YOLD! by Gen_Music · · Score: 1

      WinRT only supports stuff from the appstore because WinRT is basically WinPhone for tablets. Just about every example is on a ARM architecture, so what apps exactly would run on it if it had a Classic desktop?

      Oh and lets not forget, the most powerful 64bit quadcore ARM chip gets eaten alive by an Intel P4.

    103. Re: YOLD! by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      LOL - I missed that. I run Debian these days. Ubuntu is Debian based. Yeah, I know - it isn't Debian, it is merely Debian based. Sorry!

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    104. Re:YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too many people punch their package manager for every update, then whine when the bleeding edge kernel isn't supported by the closed-source binary driver for their bleeding-edge graphics card. This is either a problem in the distribution (pushing kernel updates without full support) or the user (updating the kernel without the right binaries available) depending on how you want to look at it.

      No, this is the fault of the driver developers. Don't believe me? Ask Greg Kroah-Hartman:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMeH7wqOwXA

    105. Re: YOLD! by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Time will tell on how well it takes off, but I disagree with your analysis of what systems people will run. Valve is shooting to replace the console with Linux first. The Desktop would be a secondary target. With every Linux game also including the Windows version, Valve has made it so that you don't have to buy two versions to play both on the TV in Linux and on the desktop in Windows.

      On the TV, Windows really doesn't have much of a lead over Linux. Games on Windows are simply not designed to run via a controller without a keyboard and mouse. So, both OSes are basically starting from scratch when it comes to market share on the TV. Windows currently has a lead on quantity of software, but it is all fiddly. It will only take a couple of dozen games that properly support controllers for Valve to surpass Windows in the category of games that properly run on a TV.

    106. Re:YOLD! by Eskarel · · Score: 1

      How long? Forever at this point. They'll stick the app store on everything because the whole idea of it was for apps that can be run on all devices, but they can be run on all devices because the WinRT framework is a limited subset of over all windows functionality. There's little to nothing in it that's not tablet focused and even that's not a significant success.

      Would Microsoft love 30% of every piece of software sold on Windows, sure they would, but locking down the desktop would kill Windows dead at this point and along with it the entire ecosystem of enterprise products that actually pay the bills at Microsoft.

      Until and unless the vast majority of software moves into the Windows app store of its own accord, forcing things into the Windows app store simply won't happen, even Apple hasn't gone down that road and they could afford to have OSX disappear.

    107. Re: YOLD! by Eskarel · · Score: 1

      This is true, but the argument for Linux over Windows for gaming if you don't care about either free as in speech or free as in beer is pretty much the cost of a Windows license and since Windows 8 the retail license even here in Australia is only about $150 for professional. Sure the new UI stuff sucks, but if you learn some keyboard shortcuts you can pretty much ignore all the new stuff. Given that there's going to be some serious early adopter pain for this I just don't see the point.

    108. Re:YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're going to have a very hard time keeping it "closed" and running linux on it.

    109. Re: YOLD! by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Time will tell on how well it takes off, but I disagree with your analysis of what systems people will run.

      You don't have to agree with the analysis, but history is against you. Based on what people run today, Windows has 70-80% market share (depending on who's stats you believe) and Apple takes up most of the remainder. Linux is estimated at 2-3%. Now look at the Linux (or MAC for that matter) and tell me what percentage of those are "Gamers". Compared to Windows, the numbers are simply not there.

      Even if Linux has a single good game, a MAC or Windows user will lose their whole library moving to a new platform. As mentioned, dual boot is not an option for most "Gamers" (That option is for Geeks that also Game). This means that they will have to purchase an additional system. Numerous people hate Xbox, but are stuck because they have a library full of games preventing them from switching platforms.

      To be fair, Apple would have the same problem as Linux trying to snag up the Gaming crowd. The DirectX monopoly hurts them just as badly. I think eventually it will happen, but not soon.

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    110. Re: YOLD! by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Gamers won't lose their Windows library. They just do what they do today. Play their Windows games on their desktop. That is the thing that Steam is doing right. They are letting you play the games you buy on the Linux based console AND on the Windows based desktop. History shows that console gamers have no problem losing all of their games from the previous platform. Usually, they will just add another console to their TV and play on both systems until they find they no longer use the old one.

      I think many people are getting hung up on the fact that you CAN play Steam console games on the desktop, and think that this means you have to run Linux on the desktop to do this.

    111. Re: YOLD! by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Fair points.

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    112. Re:YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Debian is not linux. Debian is a GNU platform that runs ON TOP OF linux.

    113. Re:YOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you ought to think about upgrading to a modern Linux distro

      Yeah, like SteamOS.

      It's fucking GNU/LInux/SteamOS you dipshit... now get off my lawn!

    114. Re:YOLD! by muridae · · Score: 1

      That is painful to watch. "Um" isn't punctuation! And he spends the whole video talking about how some bad developers code very badly and don't check stuff, so please submit your code better...in a talk titled "I don't want your code". This is all kernel level stuff that, frankly, a 'joe average user' should never deal with. A stable system shouldn't be updating to every kernel RC, and either the user or the package management (utility or the folks behind the distro) are at fault here if the target is an "average user"..

      Linux has had the same kernel level API for a long time. They work rather hard to not change that level at all, so that the stuff above it (shell/X/WM/OpenGL/game) doesn't have to worry about it. So, yeah, if you run a bleeding edge nightly compiled kernel and wonder why the machine crashes some days, that's your choice, not the Linux system. If you stick to stable kernels, and libraries that have stable API (or are statically linked or have explicit version requirements in the documentation and package management tool of choice) then you won't hit this problem! Ever!

      As for making a OSX compatibility layer, why not convince OSX developers to use multi OS friendly libraries like SDL(Simple Directmedia Layer)? Input, graphics, audio and more, in a library that builds across all the major OSes and a few consoles! Sorry for the rather late reply, but it was mostly because I needed to point out that SDL does exist.

  2. Overall right but unlikely to happen by godrik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Overall, he is right. I bought gaming systems for a single game. For instance, I bought the Wii just to play FireEmblem. I was already interested but it is only on FE's release that I bought it. Once I had it, I played other things as well. But a single exclusive game I was interested in convinced me to buy.

    I think that the same thing could happen for Linux. But I am no sure it will ever happen. Will there ever be a Linux exclusive game? If you were a game developper, would you commit to realse your fancy need AAA game ONLY on Linux and not on Windows? That seems like a stupid move unless the company receives a ridiculous amount of money cash for the exclusivity.

    I don't think that compatibility with Linux will be sufficient to see an "explosion", it is an exclusivity one need. And being linux exclusive look a lot like betting on a three legged horse.

    1. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      >Will there ever be a Linux exclusive game?

      The best candidate on the horizon is Half-Life 3 running on Valve's upcoming SteamOS linux distro. Would Steam take that chance to push it's own gaming platform?

    2. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by houstonbofh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It does not have to be exclusive... Just exclusive today. For example, a Valve Steam Box title. That means Linux... And have the Windows and MAC versions lag just a bit for marketing reasons. (Seeing as how both Windows and MAC users can dual boot Linux, not really much of an issue...)

    3. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Will there ever be a Linux exclusive game?

      The best candidate on the horizon is Half-Life 3 running on Valve's upcoming SteamOS linux distro. Would Steam take that chance to push it's own gaming platform?

      If Valve is serious about Linux/SteamOS becoming its flagship platform, there's no better move than to make HL3 excellent, truly worth the wait, and an exclusive to SteamOS.

    4. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by houstonbofh · · Score: 4, Interesting

      >Will there ever be a Linux exclusive game?

      The best candidate on the horizon is Half-Life 3 running on Valve's upcoming SteamOS linux distro. Would Steam take that chance to push it's own gaming platform?

      Just delaying the Windows and MAC ports will do it. After all, they can also dual boot Linux, and this promotes the Steam Box as well.

    5. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by loonycyborg · · Score: 1

      Even opensource games have windows ports and currently there's no reason why they wouldn't be cross-platform. But choice of operating system isn't user's business, it's something that comes with device. Most users won't be installing oses, though they might choose to use a device that happens to be based on linux. One such device could be abovementioned steambox. You can expect that people will have easier time running steam games on Valve controlled and tested hardware than on some random system integrator's windows pc with possibly crappy drivers and loads of pre-installed shovelware.

    6. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by master_kaos · · Score: 1

      exactly, I can't see one reason someone who would make a AAA game and just release it on LINUX. First off, it would have to be a private company as the shareholders would cry bloody murder against any public company. So who does that leave exactly? Valve is the only one that would even remotely make sense, especially if they are pushing their steam box and they would be pissing off a huge amount of their fans. If anything they would maybe make it a time limited exclusive for a couple months, but even then...
      Still I don't think it would solve anything as people think "console" with steam os not linux,

    7. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Chordonblue · · Score: 1

      Perhaps if Valve really wanted the Linux-based Steam Box to take off, they should release HL3 on it first.

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    8. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by niftydude · · Score: 1

      But I am no sure it will ever happen. Will there ever be a Linux exclusive game? If you were a game developper, would you commit to realse your fancy need AAA game ONLY on Linux and not on Windows? That seems like a stupid move unless the company receives a ridiculous amount of money cash for the exclusivity.

      I agree that a game developer would probably not want to do it. But if someone like Red Hat or Canonical decide that a good long term strategy to get companies using linux in the workplace is to get linux in the home so that people are familiar with it, then Red Hat or Canonical might decide to pay to get an exclusive game made.

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    9. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by click2005 · · Score: 1

      They should include flash storage on their new controller containing a Live SteamOS distro.

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    10. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by WaywardGeek · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think the poster is not correct. He said:

      it is not hard to get your hands on Linux, for example, it only takes one game that motivates you to go there.

      First, he means GNU/Linux, not Linux. There are tons of games for Android/Linux. For GNU/Linux, he's dead wrong. I built a machine yesterday with my son with parts from Newegg, and installed Ubuntu 13.04. The motherboard was DOA. Is the average gamer going to figure that out? The Samsung SSD wouldn't come up and talk to Ubuntu until I initialized it in Windows, and even then I had to set the SATA controller in BIOS to use "IDE" mode so Linux would find it. Installing GNU/Linux remains solidly in the domain of geeks. Will Average Joe Gamer buy a $1,500 "gaming rig", wipe Windows, and install Linux? Yeah, right. Maybe Dell and HP will start selling GNU/Linux gaming rigs so our poor gamer wont have to deal with figuring out how to deal with Linux? And they'll do that because there's so much demand? Unfortunately, GNU/Linux remains solidly a hacker OS. Now, as a hacker, I quite like it :-) GNU/Linux is what it is, and if you like it like I do, then great. However, we don't have to spread it like religion to the masses.

      The GNU/Linux graphical desktop has been mostly dead for a while now, in terms of main stream adoption. Ubuntu bug #1 remains very much unresolved. It's not the fault of Linux, but of GNU/Linux. Linus won the OS kernel war, even against the great and powerful Microsoft, with his "Bazaar" approach. However, GNU lost the application war because GNU never accepted the hacker culture, where everyone is can create whatever hackish apps they like, and share them without friction. Instead, the Debian priests continue to maintain the purity of their "Cathedral" through exclusion of unworthy apps, and the process to publish an app is literally harder than getting married or getting a loan for a house. Arch is a good attempt to save GNU/Linux, but it's too little, too late, IMO. I hope I'm wrong...

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    11. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by godrik · · Score: 1

      Yes, a delayed exclusive would probably be enough. That is what OUYA tried with its proram to get 6 month exclusive games.

    12. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by godrik · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That could work. But you need to give people incentive in release an exclusive version. Red Hat or Canonical could have the fund necessary to generate such an exclusive games. Or maybe one such effort could be crowdfunded. But nobody is going to develop a $10 million game and release it only on Linux without a significant incentive.

    13. Re: Overall right but unlikely to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been running World of Tanks under Crossover on SuSe and it plays great! I know the point is a Linux only game but WoT is a Windows game that I don't need Windows at all to still play.

    14. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First, he means GNU/Linux, not Linux. There are tons of games for Android/Linux. For GNU/Linux, he's dead wrong.

      No he means Linux, as in Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, and all the other desktop Linuxes. No ordinary person is ever going to say GNU/Linux, and no sane person is ever going to believe that Android is Linux. Give up your silly crusade already, there's Linux, there's Android which is not Linux, and there are no such things as GNU/Linux and Android/Linux. And you can post another 100 comments trying to tell us otherwise, you're just wasting your time and everybody else's.

    15. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After a short round of explaining, most of my friends (the majority of which are non-techies) say "the GNU-Linux" when they mean Ubuntu or Mint. And they are fairly ordinary persons I'd say. Give up your silly crusade already, there's GNU/Linux and there are other OSes with the Linux kernel. Linux is simply a kernel and nothing else, trying to shout down people who don't follow your ideology won't work. You're just wasting your time and everybody else's...

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    16. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Electricity+Likes+Me · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The benefit of SteamOS is, strictly speaking they should be able to ship it as a bootable DVD/Blu-Ray that loads the OS and game, or runs straight off a USB key.

    17. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      That's a neat thought; another one (that's been tossed around here before) is to put games on boot CDs, so your PC behaves more or less like a console.

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    18. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by VortexCortex · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Same site, bought some new hardware for a ...ahem... GNU/Linux Gaming Rig. Everything worked out of the box on Debian Testing. However, being that I develop software and occasionally make games, I'm not scared of this weird "Internet" documentation thing. So, I did a bit of research before buying my hardware that I was going to assemble...

      I-- I'm sorry. I just don't understand WTF you're saying. Who assembles hardware and doesn't research whether it will meet their use case? That's not a "uber" geek thing, if you're building PCs from components, it's a no-brainer.

      I've had more problems installing Windows7 on hardware that came with Windows 8 on it, due to moronic driver issues than on GNU/Linux -- In fact, I used a live CD to get on the web to get the Ethernet drivers, put them on the windows partition then reboot and get it working. Are you saying the MOBO being dead would have been any different on windows? Or, what? Because it seems installing OSs is your gripe, and if you actually do that a lot, you'll find that the it's FAR more accessible in many cases to install Ubuntu than Windows. My grandmother can do it: Boot the CD, click "Install" move a slider to allocate space for dual boot (if it's already got windows), and it's basically next, next, next, install... just like any other software on windows really. Granny CAN NOT make a dual boot with Windows...

      So, yeah. Lots of Developers Love GNU/Linux, and it's just as difficult to install the Java runtime as it is to install Ubuntu. Most of the crap issues I've seen with games on Linux have with it is that they're wine wrappers or macromedia wrappers or some noob mistake where it wasn't compiled against the generic shared library. However, most of the time they seem to work for me -- I've got more Linux games installed than I have time to play thanks to HiB and other indie devs.

      It only takes someone like me to say, "Meh, maybe I'll make the windows port work later if there's interest, but I made it on Linux, so that's what it runs on." and have a game be as popular. If folks will install JRE for Minecraft, they could dual boot Ubuntu. Hell, I've seen folks on Windows applying crazy patches and compiling drivers themselves to get some game to work -- Gamers will jump through some damn hoops, just look at DRM! So, I don't really think it's too far of a stretch outside the realm of possibility; It would be kind of rarer to say a few years ago, but have you seen the indie scene? It's exploding.

      So, yeah, most folks developing on Linux start off with cross platform in mind, I know I do but that's because OSs should be irrelevant. For one of my from-scratch engines the Windows branch lags far behind the Linux branch and just because I'd rather add new features than port and debug some input or sound system issue in Windows. I mean, my 76 year old retired air-force mechanic neighbor who is nearly computer illiterate has been on Debian for 3 years now. Your "GNU/Linux is for nerds" FUD is just, well, moronic. If it were installed by default folks wouldn't have a hard time using it any more than Apple products or a Windows upgrade -- Less in fact if they were used to XP and you give them something other than Unity. If they're facing swapping out OSs (hint WinXP dies in 177 days) then GNU/Linux is actually probably an easier and better choice (since it can consume less resources than new flavors of Windows, also it's free).

      Arch is a good attempt to save GNU/Linux, but it's too little, too late, IMO. I hope I'm wrong...

      Interesting. So, what if you consider them all as GNU/Linux OSs instead of nit picking cons of each one? I mean, the "App Store" (software repository) model is pretty new to most Windows users who dealt with that cluster fsck of downloading crap from the web and a myriad of different installers and updaters... So, Hosting my game on my own site with a .deb and .rpm and .tar.gz isn't

    19. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by ArbitraryName · · Score: 2

      The ability of a PC to multitask is one of its most compelling features. I don't think many people would be willing to shut down everything they're doing just to play a game. Especially when they could just play on a console at that point. You may say, "but the only thing you're doing is playing a game" but it's not that simple. Even being able to tab over to a music player or a web browser is huge. Having to reboot your whole computer because you wanted to take a break and jump into a few rounds of CounterStrike or something is a deal breaker.

    20. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I-- I'm sorry. I just don't understand WTF you're saying. Who assembles hardware and doesn't research whether it will meet their use case? That's not a "uber" geek thing, if you're building PCs from components, it's a no-brainer.

      This is where PC gaming, in particular, Linux on PC gaming fails spectacularly. By limiting the market to people who are willing to jump through hoops AND don't mind getting insulted when complaining about such hoops, it will never reach mainstream.

      Buying a PS3, or PS4, or even XBone, requires as little "research" as buying an iPhone 5s. You pick which color you like, then choose one out of the three capacity/price: cheapest, most extravagant, or in-between. Then you take it home and it just works.

      Keep ridiculing people who just wants to buy a game machine to play, with attitude like yours, gaming on Linux PC will always be as widespread as those people who assemble their own car to drive to work.

    21. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      Agreed, though it might still be a way to convince people to install the full Steam OS desktop environment. It seems to me like it'd be an easy gateway drug to lure console gamers with.

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    22. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      HL3

      Plenty of incentive ...

    23. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by AndrewFenn · · Score: 2

      I think it's far more likely that AAA games will come to the steambox as a supported option which just happens to give everyone linux support and over time we'll see more and more games and linux being seen as more of a legitimate gaming option just like the transition that OSX went through.

      In some respects this has already happened. I couldn't imagine value pushing forward with linux as far as they have without all the humble bundles which have shown that there is a market for linux games. Everything has kind of progressed from there with a lot of indy developers jumping on the linux support bandwagon.

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    24. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The benefit of SteamOS is, strictly speaking they should be able to ship it as a bootable DVD/Blu-Ray that loads the OS and game, or runs straight off a USB key.

      Won't work. You need drivers for the hardware.

      If the PC is 2 years newer than the game then there's a very good chance that there's a new video card in it and the old nVidia/AMD drivers you bundled will not support it.

      Also, I personally would not buy anything of the sort. I switched from Desktop Linux back to Windows + Cygwin simply so I would not have to reboot every time I wanted to play a game then reboot again to go back to fiddling with some programs or website code in my development environment. Convenience is the enemy of boot-from-a-CD.

    25. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You realise they probably only say that around you because they're tired of your whining right?

    26. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by smash · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For all those people who still have optical drives, and are willing to deal with the spectacularly shitty read performance every time they want to play the game...

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    27. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      I think that the same thing could happen for Linux. But I am no sure it will ever happen. Will there ever be a Linux exclusive game? If you were a game developper, would you commit to realse your fancy need AAA game ONLY on Linux and not on Windows? That seems like a stupid move unless the company receives a ridiculous amount of money cash for the exclusivity.

      The other problem with Linux is there's a loudmouth that many LInux-using folks adore and whose principles they subscribe to. Which is perfectly OK - everyone is allowed to have their own beliefs.

      The problem is, that those group of people will actively try to discourage purchase of the game because it's not "open" and "free".

      It's not a problem for the other platforms as no one really cares about seeing the source code, software freedom, etc., but there's a very vocal community on Linux who does. They've already denounced Steam for Linux, and the porting of closed-source non-Free software to Linux (including games).

      Countering that negative marketing is difficult.

      About the only thing that isn't a factor is piracy - because like Windows any Linux game will be pirated just as heavily.

    28. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Andtalath · · Score: 1

      And the drivers?

    29. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Andtalath · · Score: 1

      The comparison was between windows and linux.

      More importantly between building your own box.

      That's a HUGE difference from your valid point about something entirely different.

    30. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      A troll of masterful subtlety, sir. I'm going to put my hat on just so I can take it off to you.

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    31. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Patch86 · · Score: 2

      So again- Valve (maker of Half Life, Portal, Team Fortress, etc.) are releasing their own Linux distro and associated hardware. Sounds like they would have both the means and the incentive.

    32. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No game needs to be exclusive to a platform, but each platform has its own best trait. Linux adapts, Microsoft monetizes and Apple hypes.

      I think an open source MMORPG (or any variation of online game engine) could be a hit in Linux. It's the best choice for hosting servers, and the cost of switching from any other platform to Linux is definitely null or zero (depending on the whims of cartoon animals).

      The greatest Linux game would need to be as addictive to software developers as it is to players, and probably manifest when some radical new hardware gets introduced (volumetric displays, raytracing, etc.).

    33. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by jones_supa · · Score: 2

      The best candidate on the horizon is Half-Life 3 running on Valve's upcoming SteamOS linux distro. Would Steam take that chance to push it's own gaming platform?

      Port Grand Theft Auto V to Linux. Just like that. I know it's not gonna happen, but man would it be awesome.

    34. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Isaac+Remuant · · Score: 1

      Yep. Delaying sounds like an interesting marketing move. Outright making it exclusive seems like a horrible move. One that could be bad for their image and cause them to lose sales.

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    35. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Why? Do they want their new game to be a flop? Do they want to alienate their Windows Steam customers? I'm pretty sure they don't.

    36. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $10 million is chump change, you won't get an AAA game for that cheap. The GTA V sold about $1 billion (on multiple consoles) just so you have an idea.

    37. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Zumbs · · Score: 1

      Or patches?

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    38. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by basecastula+ · · Score: 1

      Port Grand Theft Auto V to Linux. Just like that. I know it's not gonna happen, but man would it be awesome.

      Fuck yes.

    39. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The comparison was between windows and linux.

      More importantly between building your own box.

      That's a HUGE difference from your valid point about something entirely different.

      GP (Vortex Cortex) was replying to this Wayward Geek:

      I think the poster is not correct. He said:

      it is not hard to get your hands on Linux, for example, it only takes one game that motivates you to go there.

      First, he means GNU/Linux, not Linux. There are tons of games for Android/Linux. For GNU/Linux, he's dead wrong. I built a machine yesterday with my son with parts from Newegg, and installed Ubuntu 13.04. The motherboard was DOA. Is the average gamer going to figure that out?

      And that is exactly where PC gaming with GNU/Linux failed, especially regarding the statement "it is not hard to get your hands on Linux". The fact is, for 90+% of the population, it IS hard to get your hands on Linux, compared to alternatives like PS3 or XBox.

      IF SteamBox comes out and it is as easy to plug and play as a PS3, THEN it would be not be hard to get your hands on Linux. Until then, it IS hard, and most people won't bother.

    40. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by NickFortune · · Score: 4, Insightful

      First, he means GNU/Linux, not Linux.

      No, I don't believe he does. The name "Linux" is overloaded and is used to refer both to the Linux Kernel and to the desktop operating system built around that kernel.

      You well may feel that the GNU userland tools are more important than the Linux Kernel and that therefore the GNU project should have first billing. As such it is your right to prefix the OS name with "GNU/" if you feel that helps anything. But that doesn't make the more widespread usage wrong, and neither you nor Richard Stallman get to tell us what we call the OS.

      This has been a public information announcement. Thank you for your attention.

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    41. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, pretty much any modern linux distribution will happily boot off a flash drive, and even exploit its read/write capabiliy to allow a persistent writeable file system.

    42. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by StripedCow · · Score: 1

      You're forgetting that if they build a Linux version for a game, they automatically get Windows and Mac versions.
      How?

      Well, they can just distribute the game on a CD or USB drive that boots Linux and starts the game.

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    43. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Lennie · · Score: 1

      A Linux-exclusive release combined with a release of SteamOS/SteamBox (and other OEMs with SteamOS compatible/certified hardware) and maybe a SteamController or others is much more likely.

      So people will be able to buy a console and game.

      The game will also run on regular Linux desktop. Depending on your choice of hardware it might not run as well though.

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    44. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're just being a twat. The term 'Linux' is the one more commonly used. Try installing Microsoft Windows - that is still firmly in the domain of geeks. Its a terrible experience, and in many cases simply can't be done, which results in returned hardware. Even once you've installed it, the nightmare has still only just begun! Many Windows geeks will still struggle.

      I will agree though, Linux does still retain a firm foothold in the enterprise server market, rather than the gaming market. Its reliability, speed and stability are much preferred over the resource-hungry crash-boat that is Microsoft Windows.

      And what is all this crap about the "hacker" culture? Stop trying to sound like you know something when it only makes you look stupid.

    45. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your first mistake was Ubuntu. Really, they named a distribution after a African socialist "feel good" movement. It basically boils down to "it doesn't have to work as long as you feel good about it" type of philosophy. Nothing of importance has EVER been developed in Africa, the same holds true with Ubuntu. Now you trust data to a design team that is only worried about your feelings. **** Ubuntu, **** the name, **** everything about it. Ubuntu is like the bastard child that is part of the family but never quite fits in. He has a lot of the same genes but the dominate genes are not from the family. After Ubuntu blows it's wad all over your computer it says, "Was it good for you too?" Inside you have an empty sinking feeling that never goes away, "What have I done?" But hey, as long as you feel good.

    46. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Necronomicode · · Score: 1

      You can always run your Linux environment in a VirtualBox rather than using cygwin. I use Debian with an eclipse development IDE all linked to an SVN server, all works perfectly well in a VM. I've got nothing against cygwin (used it at work quite extensively) but it does have a few gotchas that can be avoided by having a standard linux environment.

    47. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      Awesome, it'll be like going back to DOS, no thanks. I actually understand what my OS does for me and I'll keep it thanks, last thing I want is random 20 year old game devs having direct access to my hardware.

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    48. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      Except that all the problems that are caused by it will just piss non-geeks off will result in a bunch of bad press that will just make everyone think the SteamBox sucks ass.

      Seriously, if you think saying dual boot is even an option, you utterly fail. Half Life isn't THAT impressive, at this point its a lot like Duke Nukem Forever ... which mind you they should have just not finished and left the DNF initials as a joke/truth.

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    49. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      Except for a whole lot of variations that wouldn't be supported on standard hardware out of the box with a generic boot disk.

      Seriously, a bootable Linux distro that boots on ALL hardware, with full sound, acceleration and properly configured hardware (mostly HID) devices? I'd love to see it, but no one has done it yet and no one will. You can do it for a specific hardware configuration, which is why consoles can do it, generic randomly configured hardware that people use? No, try again.

      The end result would just be a bunch of pissed off people complaining about how much it sucks on the Internet, and the resulting backlash would ruin any hope of SteamOS succeeding due to the sour taste left in peoples mouths.

      Not to mention letting random people have direct access to your hardware? No fucking thank you, I stopped using DOS and moved to a real OS for a reason.

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    50. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and are willing to deal with the spectacularly shitty read performance the first time they want to play the game...

      There are still many places where internet connections are horribly slow. Some of the current titles take almost two days to install for me. Using a dvd/blueray the initial install time goes down to one or two hours (including the time spend buying it at the store).

    51. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      Most users won't be installing oses, though they might choose to use a device that happens to be based on linux.

      Not just that, but there needs to be one distro to rule them all or the user-installed os option will never work. The largest impediment to the year of linux on the desktop has always been that the main competitor to linux isn't windows.. its another linux.

      Linux wins on mobile because there is in fact one distro to rule them all.. its called android.

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    52. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by aliquis · · Score: 0

      Port Grand Theft Auto V to Linux. Just like that. I know it's not gonna happen, but man would it be awesome.

      Grand Penguin Thug V a cheap-ass clone wouldn't be enough for you?

    53. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "But nobody is going to develop a $10 million game and release it only on Linux without a significant incentive."

      Umm... You do know that Valve is a game developer right?

    54. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by ildon · · Score: 2

      If HL3 materializes in the next 5-6 years or so, it will be on all platforms: Windows, Mac, Xbox One, PS4, Linux. Valve still has to make money, and their primary interest is in building trust with their users. Telling people "we're forcing you to move over to our new system by putting our most anticipated game of all time exclusively on that system" would be perceived as a huge "fuck you, do as we say" by consumers, and a lot of that trust they've built up over the past 10 years (since the original debacle of HL2 requiring Steam) would be thrown away, just so they could try to force people onto Valve's preferred platform.

      I just don't see it happening.

    55. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Canonical is perpetually broke, don't count on it.

    56. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More importantly. After a couple of hundred updates it is seldom the kernel part or other userland solutions that gets screwed up.
      If you seriously want to deploy a Linux-based gaming rig for average Joe and can't tolerate that it will break down (Because even if the end user have the possibility to fix the problem he/she does not have the knowledge or want to fix it.) then GNU userland might not be the userland of choice.
       

    57. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by ildon · · Score: 1

      > Seeing as how both Windows and MAC users can dual boot Linux, not really much of an issue...

      For like 95% of consumers, this is too big of a hurdle to play a game. Half of them would probably nuke their entire hard drive in the process, and then blame Valve.

    58. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by kimvette · · Score: 2

      Good luck getting 3D acceleration. :-(

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    59. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it should be mandatory.

      each XO disc has its own OS

    60. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by smash · · Score: 1

      So you mean to say i need to physically go outside, line up and buy the flash memory version? Or i need to buy usb flash (which also has shitty read/write performance due to the cheap flash involved) while my SSD i already paid for sits unused. And then reboot if i want to do something else? It's a non-starter - rebooting to change operating system for what?

      If Linux is going to take off, it needs to run games well (better than windows) and do everything else if its going to convince the masses to switch.

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    61. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by smash · · Score: 1

      Also... the other thing... lets give it the benefit of the doubt and assume all the user's hardware is supported. Any online services I leave myself logged into (e.g., instant messengers, VOIP programs, teamspeak, etc.) are no longer running. Why in the world would i want to do that?

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    62. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by umafuckit · · Score: 2

      No, I think it does have to be exclusive, period. Firstly, not everyone buys games/consoles at the time of release. e.g. I just bought a (now cheap) PS3 for Journey, Little Big Planet2, and GT5. Those are all at least a year old. If I could have bought those on the PC, I couldn't have justified the PS3 purchase. Secondly, all consoles need at least one good exclusive series of games to maintain their branding. What would happen to the XBox if after a year or two Halo goes on general release? What if Nintendo allowed that with Mario? Never going to happen because people buy a console for the games not the hardware. Linux needs an exclusive killer title that stays exclusive. It's had Doom3, Quake 4, UT2004 (amongst others) and none of this made any difference other than having penguins on the game boxes.

    63. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, correct me if I'm wrong but it will be a full computer and you will be able to do anything you want with it. All your FOSS apps will be there (Xchat, Libre Office, a terminal, GIMP, etc...) as well as non-exclusive games (so you will find them on the other consoles also). But, what the PS4 or the Xbox One have to offer against that? A limited apps market with Netflix, Facebook, Youtube and a couple of fart apps with ads.

    64. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by umafuckit · · Score: 1

      I built a machine yesterday with my son with parts from Newegg, and installed Ubuntu 13.04. The motherboard was DOA. Is the average gamer going to figure that out? The Samsung SSD wouldn't come up and talk to Ubuntu until I initialized it in Windows, and even then I had to set the SATA .

      Yeah, they'll figure it out. Plenty of gamers are tweakers and build their own rigs. In fact, I'd argue that gaming is the primary motivation behind building your own rig. Uncle Bob who wants a PC to do his accounts in Excel isn't going to build his own rig, is he? Building a PC really is not rocket science (it's even impossible to hook things up incorrectly) and mostly the peripherals aren't DOA.

      Installing Linux isn't solely in the domain of geeks. It used to be, but now it's very point and click and it works flawlessly most of the time. You bought a still relatively new technology (SSD) and all you really had to do was flip one BIOS setting. Shit like this happens in Windows too, you know.

    65. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 1

      Also, remember that it is perfectly possible to use a non-GNU userland toolkit that isn't Android. For example getting the FreeBSD userland to work would take a bit of doing, but it's not beyond the realm of possibility. It's already been done the other way, though the GNU tools are written to be rather portable.

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    66. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      Thumb drive like an old console controller memory card? You could keep saves on it too. No idea.

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    67. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      One of many motives to install Steam properly? It's only supposed to be a lure.

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    68. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      The proposal is just a bonus feature for people who'd rather not install Steam and/or Steam OS. You'd still be booting a Linux distro, too, not the game directly.

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    69. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      yeah that would be a good way to piss off a lot of people.

      while at it, make it impossible to play without their newfangled controller.

      because yeah, that's where the real market is.

      (steamos and their gaming efforts aren't too desktop oriented yet hl as series has been)

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    70. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just bought a (now cheap) PS3 for Journey

      Wow, you know Journey? What are they up to these days?

    71. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      it should be mandatory.

      each XO disc has its own OS

      And which video drivers?

    72. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by houstonbofh · · Score: 1
    73. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Woosh... Let me try again.

      You are are a Windows user. Half Life 3 is released for Linux first... If you want it you either 1) Install Linux 2) Buy a Steam Box 3) Wait until it comes out later on Windows. You know... Like they are waiting now for the new GTA... But if you can not wait, you have 2 options, not just one like with the new GTA.

    74. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by kimvette · · Score: 1

      Great, IF your motherboard, CPU, and graphics cards all meet the requiremets, AND you are running on Linux, AND running the commercial and closed release of Virtualbox (which, if he is running on Linux, why bother with VB for games? Just install them natively!)

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    75. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Since when do you have to boot consoles off a CD? Last I looked the OS was on the hard disk and the system can multi-task.

    76. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      Key word: behaves. Once you booted it up from the live CD and everything was in a RAM disk, you'd be able to swap to another game disc if you wanted, and all of Steam OS's features would stay resident.

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    77. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by deathguppie · · Score: 1

      People, keep asking why they would want a Steam box. I think you hit the nail on the head. Preconfigured, pretested, and optimized to run games. I go over to peoples houses and watch them boot their computer for 10-20 minutes into Windows just to play a game. It's obvious they don't know how to build or maintain their systems. I have been using Linux as my main desktop since about 97. Admittedly early on it was because I was a tech junkie, but I really don't work on my systems very often. My wife even switched to Linux this last year, and the amount of maintenance headaches I've had since then have dropped ten fold. I know there are people who have had nightmare issues with Linux, and I know people who have had none. I also know people that can't keep a Windows computer running properly for more than a few days, and even more that think it's normal to wait 3 to 5 minutes for an app to start.

      But excuse the rant. I think the point is that if Valve is going to sell a steam Box, that you could dual boot with windows if you want(or not), or install other applications to use it as a desktop(or not). That will just work day in day out, without the fuss of windows. People will buy it.

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    78. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by exomondo · · Score: 1

      So it will contain out-of-date drivers for every piece of hardware? Doesn't sound like much of a bonus.

    79. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Key word: behaves. Once you booted it up from the live CD and everything was in a RAM disk, you'd be able to swap to another game disc if you wanted, and all of Steam OS's features would stay resident.

      Assuming it was the same version with the same features? What happens if you put in a newer game with a different version (or different contained driver version?) also how would this handle game and system patches? Having to download the patches everytime you play the game would be pretty damn irritating. This idea is a step in the complete wrong direction.

    80. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      Presumably you could use a flash drive or something to bridge that particular shortcoming, or even a cloud sync—but, again, older consoles did that for a long time. Any imperfections are merely additional impetus to get people to install the Steam desktop client and/or Steam OS.

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    81. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by exomondo · · Score: 1

      It does not have to be exclusive... Just exclusive today. For example, a Valve Steam Box title. That means Linux... And have the Windows and MAC versions lag just a bit for marketing reasons.

      Somebody has to bankroll that delay, no studio is going to forego a huge amount of their audience for the sake of trying to push a platform to succeed which has no benefit to them. Perhaps Valve could do it for HL3 but there is just as much chance it will backfire on them with HL fans and gamers just being pissed off that Valve is pushing their own agenda, making them install another operating system and reboot each time just to play it and that is assuming that SteamOS is actually any good.

    82. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by exomondo · · Score: 1

      All that requires a significant investment for a shitty experience. You end up with one flash drive having updates and you then have to insert that one first to load the OS and updates into memory then swap it out for the actual game you want to play which then may or may not push the updates back to that flash drive otherwise you need to download them all again so it just ends up being a messy fuckaround for what is ultimately a shitty solution, nobody wants that so why invest any time in it.

    83. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by kermidge · · Score: 1

      Run the game in a window - most will allow it although many will need editing of a config file; some, such as Civ V, have it as a setting in their options menu. There's not a game I play that runs full-screen unless I permit it to do so.

      Play game while having OS and applications a click away.... works fine for me.

    84. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      Well no, they shouldn't; as I've said, it's just supposed to be a teaser and a motivation to get people to install Steam OS properly, offering a kind of try-before-you-install environment first. I think that's reasonable for a single-player game.

      I find it a little odd that you're so hung up on the idea of updates, though, given that console games (even fairly complicated ones) did without them for decades, and still largely do. A month or two of extra testing at the end of a game's development cycle, motivated by the potential embarrassment for a game studio of putting out a buggy disc, would probably be enough to drastically reduce the problems for many titles.

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    85. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      The Steam client can patch itself in about twenty seconds under Windows. That's not really much of a barrier. The rest I think we've already talked about—just fucking test your games before shipping them, like console titles (used to) do. And if it still doesn't work, the user always has the option of actually installing Steam or Steam OS to run the game properly.

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    86. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by exomondo · · Score: 1

      The Steam client can patch itself in about twenty seconds under Windows. That's not really much of a barrier.

      Ignoring the fact that game-specific driver fixes are common and that people have different internet connections and that updates are different sizes.

      The rest I think we've already talked about—just fucking test your games before shipping them, like console titles (used to) do.

      Yeah because it's that easy, clearly you have no experience whatsoever. With a console you have one system configuration and you can apply a system update if necessary (and you only have to do it once), with PCs you have millions of different configurations and all sorts of different drivers for different components with different levels of system updates.

    87. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by exomondo · · Score: 1

      I find it a little odd that you're so hung up on the idea of updates, though, given that console games (even fairly complicated ones) did without them for decades, and still largely do.

      I find it a little odd that you seem so ignorant of the fact that hardware and software has gotten significantly more complex and that on PCs there are millions of different configurations with varying drivers, operating system versions, operating system update levels, speeds of CPU, GPU, bus speeds, RAM amount, RAM speed, video memory amount, video memory speed, cache size, attached peripherals, etc... all of which can contribute to necessity for patches and mandatory driver updates where you just cannot know this in advance to ship with it all.

    88. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so you dont bother updating your pc because before the mass adoption of the internet home users largely went without updates? we did without them for so long so its not like we need them now right?

    89. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      I don't really see games needing security patches quite as much, at least not single-player titles.

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    90. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GNU is an OS with or without the Hurd. The fact that people don't use the GNU kernel doesn't change GNU from being an OS.

    91. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The reason for the GNU+Linux name is because in practise, people pair the Linux program with the GNU OS. People who pair Linux with the FreeBSD OS and leave out GNU should not call the system BSD+GNU+Linux because it has no part of the GNU OS in such a system.

    92. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by DedTV · · Score: 1
      He's not right, at least as far as consumer OS choice goes and not just a semantical thing like a console running Linux. An exclusive Linux game will likely only cause downloads of Live CDs like Knoppix (especially those with pirated versions of the game included) to it to explode. You'll see more people using computers like a console, but you won't likely see more people using Linux on a daily basis.

      The only realistic way Linux will explode is if Microsoft continues down the Windows 8 road and makes their OS completely unsuitable for use on Desktops, forcing OEMs to abandon it to avoid constant complaints and returns. With Linux being the only real desktop OS alternative on 3rd party hardware it would likely win out by default. But it's more likely the OEMs would instead adapt to the new version of Windows by adding touch screens or whatever else was needed so even that's unlikely.

      Linux needs a lot of little things to happen to become a common desktop OS. Games support is a major one, but it's not something that could cause it all by itself even with an big time exclusive title.

    93. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Dabido · · Score: 1

      Will there ever be a Linux exclusive game?

      Tux carts. Bwahahahahaaaa! :-)

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    94. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by ButchDeLoria · · Score: 1

      I recall quite a few people from a certain video game imageboard doing just this when Valve added the Tux misc items to TF2, that required running TF2 from their Linux application. Then they all proceeded to go to /g/ and beg for help.

    95. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or letting all Steam OS users get it for free, like what was done for Portal when the Mac version came out.

    96. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by JakeBurn · · Score: 1

      I think you started down the right path but got distracted enough to miss the bigger point. If the next biggest thing I am waiting for, (Dayz Stand Alone atm), was a Linux exclusive I would sadly move on to play something else. What makes this situation different from the one describe? There is a very decent chance that something else you would want to play is in the pipeline for Wii. For Linux there is not and for a guy like me with 200 or so games in my Steam library that means a lot. As a matter of fact, it means everything to the gamer side of me. I like to spend my time gaming on a rig that boots up, has never had a virus and hasn't had any crashes or issues that take what little time I have away from gaming. For me that's a Win7 machine. I couldn't care less if people have had issues with Windows. I've had issues with Linux. Have tried several distros and even given that Steam has some games that run on that platform I still had enough issues to stay away. SteamOS takes all that away as its designed exactly for what I want to use it for. What it doesn't take away is that there aren't enough games out for it and there isn't a reasonable timeline when ALL major publishers will put ALL of their games out for Linux. Until then most gamers, (and therefore most money), will stay on Windows rather than Linux. Hit me up in ten years and if things have changed I'll probably already be Windows free.

    97. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by Optali · · Score: 1

      Well, besides the fact that the whole internet is driven by Linux, the whole Big Data revolution is driven by Linux, the whole Cloud thingy is driven by Linux, almost any run-off-the-mill network enabled home storage device, almost every NAS/SAN, almost any virtual server, almost any supercomputer and Android... maybe, just maybe we will see someday Linux become a mayor operating system in some way. I[m so sad and depressed about this little unknown OS almost nobody uses.

      Or maybe I have been wrong all these years and the definition of Operating System is actually "Something you run on your desktop PC and that can be used to run MS Office on it"...

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    98. Re:Overall right but unlikely to happen by smash · · Score: 1

      This isn't initial install time we're talking about - but boot and load from media time. If it's going to be installed on the hard drive of the machine, it may as well just run under the host OS.

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  3. DICE by djupedal · · Score: 1, Funny

    /. promotes itself and can't even get the blurb right.

    Poor Lars. . .

    1. Re:DICE by Kalriath · · Score: 2

      Digital Illusions CE is not to be confused with DICE Holdings, two completely different companies.

      Really though, Digital Illusions is an EA subsidiary. Poor Lars indeed.

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    2. Re:DICE by djupedal · · Score: 1

      Good info, thanks.

      Did you note poor Lars' new job title ? :)

    3. Re:DICE by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Not just a director, Lars is the ENTIRE DIRECTORY!

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  4. Except by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what publisher is going to exclusively publish to Linux if they have such a killer app? Is Valve going to? Certainly won't be Canonical.

  5. Clarification: by asmkm22 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It needs one killer game that you can't get elsewhere. Do you think Halo would have done what it did for the XBox if it was also available for the PS2?

    And since I don't see many game companies jumping the Windows ship to start making AAA Linux exclusives, this guy's "insight" is irrelevant.

    1. Re:Clarification: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Valve might do it. If they are to stand up for their Steam Machines idea, they should release Half Life 3 exclusively, at least for a reasonable amount of time.

    2. Re:Clarification: by brit74 · · Score: 1

      That's true. Although, I think it'll cause sales of the Steam Machine console, not necessarily Linux in general.
      http://www.pcworld.com/article/2053680/valve-amd-based-steam-machines-are-also-en-route.html

    3. Re:Clarification: by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      That's true. Although, I think it'll cause sales of the Steam Machine console, not necessarily Linux in general. http://www.pcworld.com/article/2053680/valve-amd-based-steam-machines-are-also-en-route.html

      Why? You can dual boot your Windows or MAC box and get the Linux version right now. That gives more uptake on the Linux side, and convinces other publishers to release for Linux / Steam Box.

    4. Re:Clarification: by maccodemonkey · · Score: 1

      It needs one killer game that you can't get elsewhere. Do you think Halo would have done what it did for the XBox if it was also available for the PS2?

      Yes, there is no way Halo could have done as well on the Xbox if it had shipped on other platforms too.

    5. Re:Clarification: by asmkm22 · · Score: 1

      You do realize that the PC and Mac versions were released about 2 years after the XBox version, right?

    6. Re:Clarification: by asmkm22 · · Score: 1

      Maybe, but something tells me they won't simply ignore the current market landscape just out of principle. Kudos if they do, but highly unlikely.

    7. Re:Clarification: by maccodemonkey · · Score: 1

      You do realize that the PC and Mac versions were released about 2 years after the XBox version, right?

      Yes, I do. But Halo for Mac and PC was announced before the Xbox version. So everyone knew it wouldn't be exclusive when the Xbox was released. I knew a lot of people who waited.

    8. Re:Clarification: by asmkm22 · · Score: 1

      Actually, it was briefly mentioned as a Mac exclusive, at which point Microsoft bought Bungie and it shifted to the XBox. Afterwards, Gearbox was hired to port it over to the Mac and PC several years later, something that was never promised by Redmond in the beginning, so I doubt the people you knew who waited for it really cared all that much in the first place.

    9. Re:Clarification: by Anubis+IV · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What about the company with the most invested in this? Valve has made some AAA games over the years that most gamers have played, and if they announced Half-Life 3 as an exclusive for Steam OS, you can bet that Steam OS would suddenly see an uptick in users. Not to mention if they followed that up with Portal 3, Left 4 Dead 3, Team Fortress 3, etc. x3.

      Hell, they could really confuse everyone by launching Dota 3 while they're at it.

    10. Re:Clarification: by maccodemonkey · · Score: 1

      Actually, it was briefly mentioned as a Mac exclusive, at which point Microsoft bought Bungie and it shifted to the XBox. Afterwards, Gearbox was hired to port it over to the Mac and PC several years later, something that was never promised by Redmond in the beginning, so I doubt the people you knew who waited for it really cared all that much in the first place.

      It was announced at Macworld, but it was always a Mac/PC game. Also Bungie post buyout promised there would still be a Mac/PC version, although at the time they sounded like they would be doing the port, so Gearbox doing the port was the only surprise. I'm trying to find the original link, but it's hard to get through Google. Mac gamers were furious when it happened, and Bungie tried to calm them down by saying it would still ship for Mac/PC as promised.

      I'll post if I can find a link to Bungie's quote on the matter when they were bought out. But I remember it because I was a Mac gamer at the time. :)

    11. Re:Clarification: by maccodemonkey · · Score: 1

      Still working off my memory here, but it's also why Halo 2 got no Mac port. Bungie had only promised Halo 1 to calm the hordes, once they had fulfilled that promise they dropped the Mac platform. And after Halo 2 they dropped Windows as well, but Halo 2 for Windows was clearly a way to push Vista.

    12. Re:Clarification: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Halo came ridiculously close to being a Macintosh game, to the point where steve jobs proudly debuted it for the first time during one of their conferences, Halo wasnt going to be an xbox game, but when microsoft snagged bungie up well there ya go.

    13. Re:Clarification: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I knew a lot of people who waited.

      Idiotic statement and incredibly anecdotal. Your "lot of people" are a drop in the ocean compared to the people that bought/played Halo on the Xbox.

    14. Re:Clarification: by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Until they do, and realise their video drivers stuck.

    15. Re:Clarification: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It needs one killer game that you can't get elsewhere. Do you think Halo would have done what it did for the XBox if it was also available for the PS2?

      And since I don't see many game companies jumping the Windows ship to start making AAA Linux exclusives, this guy's "insight" is irrelevant.

      "[Blah] only needs one killer game to explode."

      Insert platform of choice for [Blah], look at long history of gaming platforms and realize the platform was the easy part.

    16. Re:Clarification: by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      I was thinking along those lines, linux has had plenty of killer games and none of them made it explode, I mean really was Return to Wolfenstein on linux a significant difference to the windows version, no but it was available

    17. Re:Clarification: by drsquare · · Score: 1

      I can't believe someone is literally denying the system-selling ability of Halo being an Xbox exclusive. You may as well deny that the sky is blue.

  6. Create a repository. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Put your games in it.

    Give people f2p models or shareware models.

    Let them purchase through web/ingame codes to unlock the full games.

    Linux people will download the F2p versions by just tossing your repository in their package/software management apps a long with their other favorite repos.

    Or even better roll out a distro with your game thats a clone of Fedora or Debian + the above with your own binary repo.

    1. Re:Create a repository. by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Put your games in it.

      Give people f2p models or shareware models.

      Let them purchase through web/ingame codes to unlock the full games.

      Linux people will download the F2p versions by just tossing your repository in their package/software management apps a long with their other favorite repos.

      Like Steam for Linux?

      Or even better roll out a distro with your game thats a clone of Fedora or Debian + the above with your own binary repo.

      Like the Steam Box OS?

    2. Re:Create a repository. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly like that. But I would have been happy to see a commercial repository 4 years ago. Steam isn't as deeply integrated with the packaging system. But the Steam Box OS is a cool idea. I didn't even know they had something like that yet.

    3. Re:Create a repository. by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Great idea!
      So when I buy Game X, I can't play Game Y any more because they depend on different versions of another package and Game Y publisher has gone out of business so there will be no update. Game Z sort of works now, but it crashes every so often...

      Yeah, really great idea.

    4. Re:Create a repository. by basecastula+ · · Score: 1

      There are only a hand full of free to play games from steam for linux. It is kinda weird.

    5. Re:Create a repository. by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      There are only a hand full of free to play games from steam for linux. It is kinda weird.

      Man... This store doesn't have a lot of free stuff...

  7. Wtf? Halo was a launch title. by ReekRend · · Score: 2

    His example makes no sense.

  8. Cross device integration by morcego · · Score: 1

    What we need is some serious effort into platform integration between desktop, tablet and cellphone. Apple offers, Microsoft wants to offer it. Why don't we have it with Linux/Android?

    If not already, this kind of seamless integrations between their devices is something people will require soon and, unless you think android is going to take over on the desktop, Linux developers might want to get cracking here, otherwise Linux might soon start losing all the ground it conquered.

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    1. Re:Cross device integration by houstonbofh · · Score: 2

      What we need is some serious effort into platform integration between desktop, tablet and cellphone. Apple offers, Microsoft wants to offer it. Why don't we have it with Linux/Android?

      I guess you missed that whole Ubuntu Phone thing, huh?

    2. Re:Cross device integration by Nerdfest · · Score: 2

      Even without that, Linux plays very nicely with Android phones. You can set up all sorts of integration between them. Yes, there's Ubuntu phone, and KDE Plasma is also designed for small screens, but personally, I don't really want the same interface on both. I want to be able to choose the interface I want on each environment and still have them communicate without limitations.

    3. Re:Cross device integration by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      I want to be able to choose the interface I want on each environment and still have them communicate without limitations.

      Damnit! Where is the "Like" button?

    4. Re:Cross device integration by morcego · · Score: 1

      What we need is some serious effort into platform integration between desktop, tablet and cellphone. Apple offers, Microsoft wants to offer it. Why don't we have it with Linux/Android?

      I guess you missed that whole Ubuntu Phone thing, huh?

      Oh, I guess I did miss it hitting the shops and getting widespread acceptance and vendor support.

      Sorry, my bad.

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    5. Re:Cross device integration by mathew42 · · Score: 1

      Even without that, Linux plays very nicely with Android phones. You can set up all sorts of integration between them.

      I think this point would have more weight if you added some examples. Two weeks ago I purchased my first android phone. I haven't had time to play with it much, but I'd like to know answers to the following questions.

      1. 1. How do I have photos taken on my Nexus 4 automatically copied to an nfs share when the phone connects to my home wireless network?
      2. 2. How do I regularly copy certain files from my server to the Nexus 4?

      Is there a recipies site?

    6. Re:Cross device integration by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      No recipes site that I know of. A quick Google shows you can use BusyBox to mount an NFS share. I'd use Tasker to do that when connected to a specific machine, the have Linux watch that directory and rsync it with a local target directory. A variation of that could be done for the second question as well. You could probably also just do it when the phone mounts as MTP. Most people just use DropBox or something similar for that, although that does it all the time, not just on connect. I like the idea though and I think I'll try something like that myself. It would actually make a handy app.

    7. Re: Cross device integration by Nikker · · Score: 1

      Google SSHFS

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    8. Re:Cross device integration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but Ubuntu is not Linux, they have chosen their own road. Mir versus Wayland is a prime example of the NIH syndrome trap they have fallen into.

    9. Re:Cross device integration by NickFortune · · Score: 1

      Me, I'm still waiting for a spanner that works just as well on screws. And which can get nails out of wood. But everytime I complain about it, someone pops up with some bullshit argument about having different tools specialised for different purposes. Crazy, right?

      If not already, this kind of seamless integrations between their devices is something people will require soon

      Seriously, why? I'll grant you that automounting phones on desktop systems could benefit from a bit more handholding for non-technical users, but why assume a common interface is useful, let alone desirable?

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    10. Re:Cross device integration by Smallpond · · Score: 1
    11. Re:Cross device integration by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but Ubuntu is not Linux, they have chosen their own road. Mir versus Wayland is a prime example of the NIH syndrome trap they have fallen into.

      Linux is a kernal, and Ubuntu uses it, so yes, Ubuntu is Linux. As for Mir, they are putting that off a bit longer, thankfully. Yes, they seem to have gone a bit nuts lately. But it doesn't change the fact that they have a viable stratagy of desktop / phone / tablet that is consistant accross all platforms.

  9. Are linux users willing to pay money? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Linux users tend to be very much into open source and freeware but the real question is if they are ready to actually pay to play? I think the biggest concern is if that demographic will gladly shell out $70 on a game or $50 on software like a word processor? I think that not knowing is the biggest risk and only those with the capitol can do it. It's not like releasing terraria or skyrim on linux will make a difference but I think that steambox will guide players into linux. Don't hold your breath though...

    1. Re:Are linux users willing to pay money? by ArbitraryName · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes. When asked to pay what they think a game is worth, Linux users consistently pay significantly more than users of other platforms.

    2. Re:Are linux users willing to pay money? by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      On every Humble Indie Bundle, Linux users pay more per game than MAC or Windows. Windows users pay the least.

    3. Re:Are linux users willing to pay money? by ArbitraryName · · Score: 1

      "Mac" is not an acronym, it is an abbreviation for "Macintosh". Stop capitalizing it.

    4. Re:Are linux users willing to pay money? by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Must Accquire Computer
      However, it is now Must Accuire iShiny!

    5. Re:Are linux users willing to pay money? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Freeware (and pirated software/games/programs) was what most kids were doing in the 80s/90s on DOS and Windows (before that the situation was similiar on the micros of the time). Are they willing to pay today? It is not about the group of people using linux because they all have different reasons - it is if there is enough individual users willing & able to pay.

      As a Linux (amongst other OSes) user and mopstly non-gamer I have no problem with Linux not being "ready for the desktop" or that there are no games for it (I have personally used Linux on my desktop since the mid 90s and enjoyed plenty of nethack sessions on it too). I would probably never pay for a game simply because it is not my usecase for linux.

      When I see this "we need games for linux" stuff i kinda wonder who is needing them? That said, if you do not have cravings for the latest and greatest titles, there are plenty of gaming options - including through emulation. But Linux is a good OS nonetheles for plenty of other things that people need done. This is not the elitist "it gotta be difficult" argument, but more of a "if you think linux needs games, dont whine but put your money/work behind it" because many linux users/devs dont need games, so why bother?

      tl;dr: Not every [insert OS] user is like the stereotype - only biggots would think that "linux users" could in any way be grouped and judged wholesale so easilly. If you want to play games get a dedicated console or an OS that supports the games you want. And if you think we need games on linux, make games for linux.

      tl;dr tl;dr: Linux is and will be useful for a lot of us despite it never having a "killer game" nor ever being "ready for the desktop" and many of us are happy with that.

    6. Re:Are linux users willing to pay money? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet...they still look like the Pac-Man of Windows devouring the slices of Linux and Mac, to the point where the overall average is BARELY over the Windows average.

    7. Re:Are linux users willing to pay money? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Thank you, I had no idea. Some people may not consider my question legitimate but I think many do worry about the mindset of linux users. I'm glad to see that they are willing to put their money into products they believe in. Take these wonder woman mod points as I have lost my account to give you anything tangible.

    8. Re:Are linux users willing to pay money? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does it look like when you throw out the ringers (the people who donate considerable sums)?

    9. Re:Are linux users willing to pay money? by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      I just assumed he meant Media Access Control, and his statement made no sense.

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    10. Re:Are linux users willing to pay money? by Isaac+Remuant · · Score: 1

      Those who buy games on steam have already proven their willingness to pay. Some don't yet use linux, some do. But the track record of paying is already there.

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    11. Re:Are linux users willing to pay money? by viperidaenz · · Score: 0

      Must Acquire Dictionary...

    12. Re:Are linux users willing to pay money? by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      Because those people are trying to give the impression that Linux is worth supporting. That doesn't make it actually worth supporting.

      Its silly to pretend those numbers are meaningful, bias ruins any sort of meaning those numbers have.

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    13. Re:Are linux users willing to pay money? by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      All that shows is that Linux users who are finding and buying games they can play are trying to send a signal that they will pay.

      The problem is, its still not really profitable to if they pay 10x as much as everyone else when there is only 0.001% of the potential game buyers buying the games for Linux.

      Second, a few Linux gamers sending a signal is not representative of the market in general.

      The actual numbers that matters to business is what the total profit was. Windows users can pay a nickel, Linux users can pay $1000 per game ... Windows will STILL be the target of developers due to shear volume.

      Theres a fuckton more to running a business than finding a few users that pay more than others.

      Linux is not OSX, you can't charge a premium for it.

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    14. Re:Are linux users willing to pay money? by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      Conclusion, running linux makes you rich.

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    15. Re:Are linux users willing to pay money? by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Must Acquire Dictionary...

      Actually, must fix spell check. It has been doing some odd corrections lately.

    16. Re:Are linux users willing to pay money? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      0.001%

      Your projection is wayyyy over the top.

      /s

    17. Re:Are linux users willing to pay money? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Numbers don't lie. Straw men do.

    18. Re:Are linux users willing to pay money? by sonamchauhan · · Score: 1

      On every Humble Indie Bundle, Linux users pay more per game than MAC or Windows. Windows users pay the least.

      Could just be a question of relative value. Windows users also have the most choice in games.... Including CDs of old games picked up cheap in garage sales.

  10. And by The+Cat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Given the overwhelming power of developing on Linux compared to Windows or Macs (Linux is so far ahead of both it's not even a contest) once developers move to the new platform, they'll never go back.

    It took 20 years, but Linux won. Face it. It's just better technology.

  11. Just one game? by MrLogic17 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Eh? Is there a precedent for that statement?
    With each new game console that comes out, there needs to be a whole ecosystem to go along with it. Name me any game platform that took off because of one good game?

    In a parallel example, what would you say to "Windows Phone would have taken off if it had one really good at in the app store." ?

    Put another way, how good would a game have to be for an average user to want to reformat their hard drive?

    1. Re:Just one game? by SternisheFan · · Score: 1

      In a parallel example, what would you say to "Windows Phone would have taken off if it had one really good at in the app store." ?

      If a WindowsPhone came with an app that allowed me to access their entire first XBox catalogue, I could've gotten used to 'live tiles'.

    2. Re:Just one game? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I bought my Nintendo Smash Cube and discovered it could play some other games too as an interesting side benefit.

    3. Re:Just one game? by TheLongshot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Name me any game platform that took off because of one good game?

      I think Wii Sports qualifies. Certainly many bought a WII for that game alone

    4. Re:Just one game? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Name me any game platform that took off because of one good game?

      Mobile gaming, currently skyrocketing into majority gaming market share, started with one game: Angry Birds.

    5. Re:Just one game? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's short sighted.

      There's no game that would cause me to format my hard drive and wipe out the applications that have already led me to install Windows.

      No game could replace Adobe Photoshop/Bridge/Lightroom.

      But the right game could lead me to buy a 2nd PC for my livingroom.

      I'm already converted to Linux for my back room desktop browsing PC. But I might spring for a 2nd PC for my livingroom to replace my PS3 if the right games showed up on Linux.

      Last generation, I had a Wii, a PS3, and PC in my living room. Sony hasn't endeared itself to me over the last couple years. It wouldn't take much for me to switch to a more friendly platform.

    6. Re:Just one game? by ArbitraryName · · Score: 1

      Name me any game platform that took off because of one good game?

      The Wii. It wasn't even a good game, either. I know a great number of otherwise non-gamers who own a Wii and haven't purchased a single game.

    7. Re:Just one game? by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      There's no game that would cause me to format my hard drive and wipe out the applications that have already led me to install Windows.

      Linux users have been dual booting to play games for years. Turnabout would actually be kind of amusing! :)

    8. Re:Just one game? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If GTAV had launched on SteamOS, X360 and PS3 with the SteamOS version offering superior graphic options and Valve providing instructions / an installer to safely set up your PC as dual boot (that part is important) then I'm confident a lot of people would have gone through the process just to get the game on the PC, although a number might have moaned about having to reboot to play it.

    9. Re:Just one game? by techno-vampire · · Score: 3, Informative

      Safely setting up customer's computers for dual boot is fairly easy: just set up the installer so that nuking your Windows installation isn't even an option. If the only way to install Linux on your computer so that you can play this game is with dual boot, most people would be less reluctant to give it a try, especially if booting into Windows is the default, and you only get Linux if you specifically ask for it at boot time.

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    10. Re:Just one game? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NES and Mario. PC and Doom. Blackberry and BBM.

    11. Re:Just one game? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remembered installing a linux distro long ago that wasn't very well made. It asked me if I wanted to partition my windows drive so I did. Sadly, it partitioned it but removed the boot file so it would only recognize linux. Once I fixed this, it was fine but annoying to do. About a year later I decided not to repeat the same mistake so I created a partition in windows, restarted with the linux installer and once again it deleted my boot file. I didn't have issues like this with redhat or centos, only with ubuntu =/ Not sure why it does that but it seems that I'm not the only one. I think there's a level of risk that people need to grasp because not everyone can modify windows core files within a linux environment in the event of an installation error. Perhaps having a bootable SATA external drive that is "SteamOS" would be ideal. I don't know much about the steambox yet but it would be great to see something like it.

    12. Re:Just one game? by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      Not sure why it does that but it seems that I'm not the only one.

      [citation needed]

      In two decades of being a techie, I've never heard of a "boot file", let alone one that got "deleted" by a Linux installation. Sure, there's the MBR and several configuration files, but Ubuntu has always been excellent at configuring dual-booting right out of the box. Of course, even if you do screw it up somehow by hand, there are plenty of forum posts and helpful users out there, ready and willing to walk you through the very short repair process.

      Your story reeks strongly of FUD.

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    13. Re:Just one game? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would there be forum posts to solve a problem if problems didn't occur?

      Never underestimate the user's ability to do something wrong.

    14. Re:Just one game? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's no game that would cause me to format my hard drive and wipe out the applications that have already led me to install Windows.

      Linux users have been dual booting to play games for years. Turnabout would actually be kind of amusing! :)

      You think it would be amusing because you know it's a pain in the ass.

      That's also the reason it wont work on a large scale.

    15. Re:Just one game? by Poingggg · · Score: 1

      Technically you are right, but I think I know what parent means. When I still used Windows occasionally besides Ubuntu, I bought a new laptop that had Vista (Yech!! It was way slower than Windoze on my old, less powerful laptop) installed on it. In those early days, MS had changed the boot procedure (imho to make installation of real OS-es difficult). When I tried to install Ubuntu as dual boot, both OS-es were nuked.
      After a restore of Vista (I thought it might be handy to get some knowledge of this 'OS'), I lived with it for a week, then it developed problems with my network. All settings were right as far as I could see, and I hated its guts, so I installed Ubuntu and have never looked back since.

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    16. Re:Just one game? by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Not really a good example as one can install pretty much *anything* over Vista and never look back.

    17. Re:Just one game? by Poingggg · · Score: 1

      Not really a good example as one can install pretty much *anything* over Vista and never look back.

      So true! But the point I was trying to make was that GP, although not using all the correct technical terms, might have had the same experience as I had in the early days of Vista. Linux distros were not adapted then to handle the changed boot procedure of Windows, which resulted in a non working system where neither Windows nor Linux would work when you tried to install Linux in a dual boot configuration. Later distros were adapted, but MS had possibly succeeded in spreading the FUD that 'Linux is hard to install yada yada' for a while, and people were discouraged to try Linux because initially it WAS hard to install besides Vista.

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    18. Re:Just one game? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WUBI (Windows-based Ubuntu Installer) seems to meet all your requirements. Ubuntu is currently the OS most supported by Steam, and this probably means the SteamOS will be based on either Debian or Ubuntu. Customizing WUBI for SteamOS shouldn't be much trouble.

    19. Re:Just one game? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Name me any game platform that took off because of one good game?

      Sega Genesis: Sonic the Hedgehog
      Nintendo Entertainment System: Super Mario Brothers

    20. Re:Just one game? by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      For £100 you can get two 60GB SATA III SSDs, plenty large enough to hold your C:\ partition or / mount point and fast enough to make your system fly. Hell, one 60GB SSD just for the OSs is plenty. Just be sure to either switch off virtual memory / swap or push it onto a mechanical drive to avoid burning out the SSD prematurely.

      Now is absolutely the time to upgrade.

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    21. Re:Just one game? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gameboy in 1998 after 9 years on the market with Pokemon, ruined the Neo-Geo Pocket color's chances at doing anything.

  12. Linux needs a killer game? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who gives a crap about it -- It is Linux Mr. whatever you are, please understand the distinction between a thing that runs on Mainframes and clusters and your Christmas toy.

    1. Re:Linux needs a killer game? by houstonbofh · · Score: 4, Informative

      Who gives a crap about it -- It is Linux Mr. whatever you are, please understand the distinction between a thing that runs on Mainframes and clusters and your Christmas toy.

      Good thing you left out the comma... Since Linux runs on Mainframes and clusters, and on your Christmas phone and tablet.

  13. Steam OS on multiple hardware? by Mabhatter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    About the only thing I can see is Steam OS becoming a hardware target for "white box" makers. Microsoft is back to an x86 console, so how will they keep game devs on the console and not just Windows? At some point they will lock up and cripple Windows... Again... To push everybody to console.

    Enter SteamOS based on Linux. If they make it play nice with Ubuntu or Mint Linux they could grab the "power gamer" market and those people can just use Linux for their "homework". Even then Steam is already looking to be a target for APPS on windows and Mac so that might fix the missing multimedia stuff people bellyache about.

  14. Funny thing to say. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1, Funny

    All the games are killer apps, in some sense. The player kills. And the games are full of explosions. So one more killer app? That is going to make linux explode?

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    1. Re:Funny thing to say. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In some sense you're a moron.

    2. Re:Funny thing to say. by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      And in another sense, he's awesome.

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  15. Halo was a launch title. by ArbitraryName · · Score: 1

    It's not like the original XBox was floundering until Halo eventually came along. How can you make the assertion that Halo "made" the XBox when you have no history of XBox without Halo?

  16. Creative directory by hedleyroos · · Score: 1

    Really timoth?

    1. Re:Creative directory by DarkProphet · · Score: 1

      Really timoth?

      You must be new here...

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  17. Kerbal Space Program by scorp1us · · Score: 1

    Is coded in .NET and runs on mono. I'm playing it on Linux right now. True, a little geeky but it'll happen.

    The problem is though that Halo, Gears of War, God of War, etc are all produced under exclusivity licenses. No linux game developer is willing to be exclusively Linux. Maybe Valve will start doing it now that they have a Steam box, but the allure of the major established markets will be hard to pass up.

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    1. Re:Kerbal Space Program by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was under the impression that it was powered by Unity, which would explain its atrocious performance across platforms.

  18. The problem with that is... by Lendrick · · Score: 1

    Let's say I'm marketing a game to the general public. For the purpose of this argument, it doesn't matter whether or not the game is commercial or noncommercial, and it doesn't matter whether the game is libre or proprietary, because these things basically hold true regardless.

    Linux is based on open standards. Generally speaking, if you write a game for Linux, porting it to Windows and Macintosh is relatively easy. If your plan is to *sell* your game, you probably want to offer it to as many potential customers as possible, which means that porting it is an obvious choice. If your game is open source, even if you don't port it yourself, if it's a "killer" game, someone will just port it for you.

    The only exception would be the unusual case of a closed-source game being written specifically to be so awesome that it will encourage people to switch to Linux. But that case necessitates your software be non-libre, and deny people access to the code and a choice of operating system. While a lot of windows gamers may not care about that, you need buy-in from the existing user base in order to generate enough buzz for your game to take off, and in this case you'd be trying to convince people who (on average) feel very strongly about FOSS that keeping your game proprietary is a good thing.

  19. Unportable killer game by Culture20 · · Score: 2

    It needs a killer game that can't be open source so that it can't be ported to other platforms. Of course if it's not open source, Linux users won't touch it.

    1. Re:Unportable killer game by muridae · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ever seen the Humble Indie Bundles, where GNU/Linux users tend to buy closed source games? I have FTL installed on my A/V workstation, just for those bits of 'brain frozen, working must stop for a few minutes' and it runs just fine. Not exactly an open source game; you might take a look at the Steam library of all the closed source Linux games they support now.

    2. Re:Unportable killer game by Kevin+Fishburne · · Score: 2

      Those who install NVIDIA'S binary drivers on Linux disagree. And they are many. Open source is nice, but it's not all or nothing. Having an open source OS is important, but requiring that every shiny also be open source is fanatical. That's not the world we live in, nor should it be.

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    3. Re:Unportable killer game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why? Open source is nice, but I use also proprietary software if I need/like it. As I also use Linux, I am a living proof that you are wrong.

    4. Re:Unportable killer game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever seen the Humble Indie Bundles, where GNU/Linux users tend to buy closed source games? I have FTL installed on my A/V workstation, just for those bits of 'brain frozen, working must stop for a few minutes' and it runs just fine. Not exactly an open source game; you might take a look at the Steam library of all the closed source Linux games they support now.

      If nobody cared really about the open source aspect, Linux could have a lot of nice things besides games. Just saying, there is a certain amount of impedance against closed source applications.

      Will your games still work after an OS update six months from now?

    5. Re:Unportable killer game by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      It needs a killer game that can't be open source so that it can't be ported to other platforms. Of course if it's not open source, Linux users won't touch it.

      It's not terribly important that games are open source, as they are individual works of art. The need for open source is much higher for operating systems and general purpose software. Then again, as id Software has shown, publishing the source code after few years of release, doesn't really hurt a game company either...

  20. headlinecy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The headline led me to believe that there is a new Linux-only game called "Battlefield Director" which is claimed to be the killer app that Linux needs.

    The summary dashes such hopes to pieces.

  21. At least the title wasn't.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "This is "The Year Of Linux...No, really this time this is it. We mean it. For real, for sure. We have got to get it right sometime, right? "

  22. Linux vs. Vista by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have recently purchased X-Com:Enemy Unknown. I run an xp box at home at much to my chagrine it would not run on anything less than vista... WINE to the rescue. Worked great for a few months until Steam was patched. Now my Wine is no longer running X-Com. Will the killer app be wine?

  23. HL3 & BF5! by antdude · · Score: 1

    DICE's BF Director = BF5

    SteamOS = HL3, Portal 3, and TF3 like The Orange Box (The Penguin Box?). ;)

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  24. GNU Quake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But but GNU Quake is already a thing. What more could you want?

    Oh right, you want a game that frat boys play because frat boys play.

    Sorry, the Bandwagon Effect says you're screwed.

  25. One or two good games can certainly make a change by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 2

    One or two Good Game can certainly make a difference

    One decent game would get me into Linux; I dual boot Win7 and Mint, but only visit Mint, I don't really
    use it as there's nothing "special" I use it for.

    Doom took me from the Amiga and to the PC, as did Quake II (made for my video card (3DFX drivers)) graphics were incredible.
    Installed Win3.1, the easy networking and abundance of programs shelved the Amiga.

    I have Portal 2 I can play from Mint but have played it on the PC already, and it's not as good as the first.
    Guess the cake was my carrot and an out right lie.

    The Games I've found for Mint are Civilization types, build this then you can build that; but those can
    impede your progress or even stop you if not taken care of.

    I tried Red hat in the 1990's bought the book and CD. The Red hat disk partition tool was so confusing
    I quit at the very start. If the instructions had just said "or you can just use FDISK" things would be much different now.

    I'm a new linux user that used Unix commands to get around on old shell accounts. So have a leg up;
    but still trying to get know to the command line while Linux is swaying folks to the GUI.

    Then there's the flavor of Linux I started with Ubuntu as it was very popular at the time, the Live CD
    didn't work so stopped there. Another serious approach was Mint as Ubuntu was sending search
    query's to third parties - and where I'm at now. Just that I have no reason to use Mint, at the moment
    I play Battle Field 3 all the time - a very enjoyable game for me for close to two years now.

  26. Just one exclusive game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course, you have to get millions of people to load one of the many Linux distros successfully, and ensure that your game runs on at least the most popular plus all the various hardware implementations. Drivers will be your biggest problem. And when something craps out, who provides support?

    No, I don't think Linux desktop is going to have any kind of market penetration like Windows or OS X, even if some mythical company is willing to put millions of dollars into a top tier game. And anyway profit in gaming has moved to consoles and mobile right now. Desktops and laptops are for programmers and engineers, not so much for consumers anymore.

  27. Steam broke my linux system by norite · · Score: 1

    I tried installing steam on my kubuntu system, but it wouldn't play any games, it said something about needing the latest opengl version, and to do that I needed the latest graphics drivers.. So i went to download the latest graphics drivers from ATI, only it didn't work and I ended up with a laptop that did not boot. After hours trying to find a solution, I left it and did a reinstall. Life is just too short, and I don't have time for this shit. Fortunately my home area was left intact after the reinstall.

    After that I pretty much forgot about steam. Maybe they will fix this issue one day, maybe they won't. Just my experience trying to get steam working on a linux machine.

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    1. Re:Steam broke my linux system by binarylarry · · Score: 1

      This is probably Linux's biggest hangup for desktop acceptance at the moment.

      The video drivers are fucking terrible.

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    2. Re:Steam broke my linux system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wait, *steam* broke it ... by making *you* go to a website and manually installing something? ...oookay.

    3. Re:Steam broke my linux system by kermidge · · Score: 1

      "The video drivers are fucking terrible."

      Some video drivers are fucking terrible.

      I've been using the nVidia drivers (proprietary, tested) in Ubuntu for years, since I assembled the parts in July of '09 first with an 8800GT and now with a 460GTX (yeah, old gear, blame the budget), no problem.

      My laptop, from December of same year is all AMD w/integrated mobility Radeon 4250 works fine using the recommended Catalyst driver.

      I guess that I've just had good luck. Maybe it helps that my video gear is bog-standard and that I don't push the envelope with using the latest/greatest drivers.

  28. Re:Wtf? Halo was a launch title. by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

    Hypothetically, the Xbox wouldn't have sold well without Halo, which was hyped to the stratosphere.

  29. Hello Half-Life 3 by BLToday · · Score: 1

    HL3 would either prove or disprove this theory.

  30. Fine. I guess it's 1994, then. by fnj · · Score: 1

    It's March 14, 1994, and Nethack works just fine on Linux 1.0. Colossal Cave Adventure, too. They both make modern games look like shit.

  31. Typo in the first sentence by sootman · · Score: 1

    "Creative directory"? Nice.

    I dream of the day that I see a DICE listing that says "popular social news site seeks literate editor..."

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  32. You can buy a computer with Ubuntu preinstalled by kervin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm typing this from a Ubuntu computer delivered to me just 2 days ago from http://system76.com.

    Is it fair to blame Ubuntu for all the issues that come with building a computer from scratch?

    But with that said, I agree the current Linux distros aren't ready for the average computer user. It's not Linux that's the problem. It's the fact that distros just don't put in ( or have for that matter ) the resources necessary to "polish" the OS.

    We know Linux can do this because we use Android phones, and they work just fine for most users.

    And personally I believe until distros put philosophy aside and concentrate on bringing in enough resources to fund continued development, Linux will remain inadequate for the average home computer user.

    1. Re:You can buy a computer with Ubuntu preinstalled by rtb61 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Android is a Linux distribution, there are already hundreds even thousands of game titles building up. All it is down too now is how the Android layer and other Linux distributions come together. Chances are for simplicity, they will simply load the Android layer to play games and for other major applications like office suites load them direct.

      New games are neither here nor there the problem lies with a decades long game library and porting them across and it is looking like the Android layer will be the bridge to that porting of existing games to Linux.

      Linux is making huge inroads into the windows market via Android.

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    2. Re:You can buy a computer with Ubuntu preinstalled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm typing this from a Ubuntu computer delivered to me just 2 days ago from http://system76.com.

      Is it fair to blame Ubuntu for all the issues that come with building a computer from scratch?

      But with that said, I agree the current Linux distros aren't ready for the average computer user. It's not Linux that's the problem. It's the fact that distros just don't put in ( or have for that matter ) the resources necessary to "polish" the OS.

      We know Linux can do this because we use Android phones, and they work just fine for most users.

      And personally I believe until distros put philosophy aside and concentrate on bringing in enough resources to fund continued development, Linux will remain inadequate for the average home computer user.

      More comment, less "distros". ugh.

    3. Re:You can buy a computer with Ubuntu preinstalled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      as an exercise, you do realise that you can run Android on a normal linux desktop? That is how they develop applications...

      As a bonus the "android patches" have now (I think?) been merged into the main kernel so you can also run android directly.

      With the incredible flexibility of linux if you want to try android on your PC I think you can....

    4. Re:You can buy a computer with Ubuntu preinstalled by WaywardGeek · · Score: 1

      I agree they need to put philosophy aside, and more funding would do wonders. However, it's the philosophy of most Linux distros that make Linux a difficult market to sell pre-compiled binary games, or any other application. Pre-compiled binaries work. Just look at Java as an example. I install the Oracle JRE, and host Minecraft on Linux 24/7 with no issues. If I try to use OpenJDK, forget it. Updates break it, whether it's a Minecraft update or an OpenJDK update.

      I'm currently working on a Linux port of a text-to-speech back-end for use with applications like Orca, which is a screen reader for the blind in Linux. The first version was super-easy. It's just a self-extracting shell script with the jar files pre-built. All the TTS engine interfaces are written in C, but they don't rely on any shared libraries. I ship both the compiled binaries and jar files in the self-extracting shell file. This think works on every version of every distro I've tried it on so far. This is especially important for the blind, who cant easily fix their system after an update breaks something in the TTS stack. As a result, most blind guys who use Linux simply avoid updating.

      So, I've got something here blind Linux users want and need, and all I want to do is share it for free, including source code. Given the open sharing and caring community we have in Linux land, getting it to blind users should be very easy, right? Nope. There is simply no distribution channel for pre-compiled binaries in Linux land that is anything like Android's Play Store. Instead, most blind guys use some flavor of Debian derived distro, where the only TTS engine that reliably works after an update is espeak. To reach these guys, I'll have to go through a ridiculous process to build a .deb and .rpm package, find a sponsor, get into Unstable releases, and wait a couple years until most blind guys update their distro.

      It's not a whole lot better for game developers, who also have to typically build stand-alone binaries and post them to their web site, with no standard channel for Linux distribution.

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    5. Re:You can buy a computer with Ubuntu preinstalled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Android is a Linux distribution, there are already hundreds even thousands of game titles building up"

      And they're all based areound dalvik (java) so running them on a x86 desktop shoudn't be difficult.

  33. Battlefield director? by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

    Look at what Battlefield has become. It's CoD now. That basically killed my interest in the franchise. No commanders, pointless squad play, zero incentive to play as a team, NASCAR scoring, unbalanced jets, etc. Unless they 180 degree turn around, I'm done with BF games.

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  34. I was a microsoft shill by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1

    If Linux can take over gaming, not only will I be on board, all the young game geeks will follow.

    And no, it's not one "killer" game - I read about some penguin racing game, but that wasn't anything near to pull me over.

    Steam is the most public of "saving us from the newest windows abortion that's some sort of tile thingy that refuses to work if you turn off UAC".

    My fervent hope is that Steam gets all my games translated over to Ubuntu or some linux platform. Then I'll be a firm linux shill.

    You have my word on that.

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    1. Re:I was a microsoft shill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You were a Microsoft Shill, eh? How much were they paying you?

      Or did you quite obviously mean fanboy?

  35. But it is... by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 1

    Once you can get live DVD images to boot a game on "any modern PC with a graphics card", people will do that. The next step would be to "dedicate a hard drive or partition to the games" so you would have save games, cache and DLC available. Once you're at that point, people will get dedicated PCs just for gaming like they already have now, but they'd only boot into windows to play windows only games. The guy is right, getting people to run Linux to run games is only depending on the right game to come along.

    Once there are a few "right games" people will appreciate the fact that they can upgrade their console when they want to and not be limited to a box from a single manufacturer that will have to milk the design for years and years They may start out with "an old peecee", upgrade it as they see fit and their budget allows and stay there, or get the baddest gaming box they can build and keep it that way.

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    1. Re:But it is... by smash · · Score: 1

      Why would I want a live DVD image?

      You're telling me that instead of just downloading from the internet and starting the game (current steam model), you want me to download an ISO, burn the ISO, reboot my computer, wait an eternity for the DVD to boot, deal with any potential driver issues with my 1 week old hardware, and then wait for the game to load from DVD every damn time I want to play the game? and then wait again, if i want to play a different game?

      Booting an alternative OS (be it for games, internet banking or whatever) from optical media is a non-starter, otherwise it would have taken off 15 years ago.

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    2. Re:But it is... by smash · · Score: 1

      Actually... booting an alternative OS from hard drive to play a game is bad enough. I actually did that back when i was primarily running Linux and gaming under Windows back in the Windows 9x days. As soon as Windows got stable enough (Windows 2000) i just got rid of my Linux partition on my gaming/high end rig. DVD boot is even more of a fail.

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      I run: Windows, OS X, Linux, FreeBSD. Just because you have a hammer, doesn't mean everything is a nail.
    3. Re:But it is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wait an eternity for the DVD to boot,

      An eternity? Are you fucking serious? Or is your computer a P2?

      Fucking idiot assholoe.

  36. I agree, but... by smash · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... it's not likely to happen.

    And before i start on the reasoning - I'm talking about Linux gaming "exploding". I agree that it will get more games, but it is likely to be a secondary platform for a long, long time.

    The reason, is that the one "killer" game needs to be a platform exclusive. And to be something to encourage people to switch, it will need to be AAA. To be AAA means big art, music and programming effects budgets.

    And NO ONE is going to be spending that sort of money on a Linux exclusive game before the market exists.

    It's possible that it could have happened a few years back, as a self-booting DVD or similar, but I think the boat has been missed - optical media is dead/dying and to get online to stream it that way you need an OS installed.

    So no, given the above I don't think the Linux gaming market will "explode". You'll likely see it grow slowly as people install SteamOS rather than windows if/when the AAA games start getting ported to it. The steam box will help that, as previously there's been no reason for people to not just run games on the copy of windows that came with their PC. If valve push the steam box hard enough, people will be buying hardware which never had windows on it, saving a windows license and there will be an actual reason to run Linux for gaming on it.

    I'm really keen to see it happen though, the only reason I'm running a copy of Windows at home at all now is for games. My laptop is a Mac, my NAS is FreeNAS. My desktop i just recently built (i5-4430, GT760) just runs win8 as a steam bootloader, effectively.

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  37. that'll sting for a while by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

    My eyes were dialated

    It's fairly mild so you should be OK soon.

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  38. I've said this before... by michael_rendier · · Score: 1

    the PS3 is running linux...go to the 'about software' menu and see for yourself...how is it that linux hasn't 'taken off' again?

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  39. As the sole dev of a Linux-only MMO by Kevin+Fishburne · · Score: 1

    I'm doing my part, much to my potential peril as I've devoted 3.5 years to it and it stands at over 30k lines of code:

    http://eightvirtues.com/sanctimonia/

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  40. Will my SSD survive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know SSDs are tough but if my linux box explodes will it survive? And will I?

  41. Promising lead by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    The "Redmond Crunch" seemed promising:

    http://www.commodore.ca/misc/jokes/Linux-vs-Microsoft.jpg

  42. The Real Problem with Linux Deskop + Game(s) by laxr5rs · · Score: 2

    There was a time when I also thought that Linux was going to storm the market, including the desktop. That was when I read Eric Raymond's paper, "The Cathedral and the Bazaar." One of the major themes was, "so many people are working on open source, that commercial software would not be able to compete." It seemed reasonable to me, and I wrote an article with a friend in 1998 that made it onto Linux Today, and into a crappy book by Wiley called, "Linux at Work." Eric Raymond was wrong. The problem with Desktop Linux, is Linux. I've been involved with Linux since the beginning (though not anymore if at all possible). Much of my career has been working on and with Linux servers and Desktops. I've heard over and over that, "this will be the year of desktop Linux," and it never has been. Open source development has a critical flaw, no one forces anyone to do the final grunt work on various components of the desktop that are necessary to put the final grunt work polish. Linux, and open source do not have the millions spent by Apple and Microsoft on user testing. No paying developers to stay in their chairs and finish that grunt work that no one wants to do to put the final polish on software/operating systems. Ms and Apple thoroughly QA test their products, which is a whole boatload of grunt work that people will only fully complete when they are paid to specifically do that. No, this is not the year of Desktop Linux. Linux is good at many things, but it is nowhere close to the commercial operating systems in ease of use, documentation and direct support if necessary. If you like spending Saturdays attempting to get some obscure error figured so you can attempt to get a crappy half-assed driver for Linux working, then it's for you. If you just want to do things, and play hundreds of great games, choose a well supported and developed commercial operating system. "

  43. The title is wrong by Arduenn6058 · · Score: 1

    Linux Only Needs A Few Killer Graphics Card Drivers To Explode. FTFY.

  44. Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Half-Life 3 confirmed.

  45. Exclusivity is also key by UbuntuniX · · Score: 2

    I would consider Unreal Tournament 2004 a "killer" game for its time, but maybe the problem was it was available for other platforms.

  46. Yes....... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tux, A Quest for Herring!!!!

  47. It's 2013. by eggstasy · · Score: 1

    Why are we still talking about operating systems? Next thing you're gonna tell me you built your computer by hand and don't have a cell phone or a laptop.

  48. Is it really about the OS anymore? by LostMyBeaver · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Linux is all over the place. I know plenty of people who use it daily. I lived on Linux for years. Hell, I even ported the Opera Web Browser to the platform.

    What it boils down to is simple, OS wars are dead. There's more than just Microsoft now. I personally prefer Windows 8 because it's faster than anything I've ever used before and it has less obvious bugs than the other platforms. Other people like Mac, others Linux, others Chrome (which is more of a Java platform than a Linux platform).

    I think it's about time to consider that 99% of game development has moved into a new era of platform independent game engines. Using Unreal Engine, Unigine Game Engine, Unity3D and others you write the game once and tweak the controls for a dozen different platforms from phones to XBox/PS to Linux. Companies who code their own game engines and want to reinvent the wheel can do so if they want, but honestly, it's not so interesting. These days, if a game system developer really wants their platform to take off, they can make agreements with the platform system company and pay for the port or do it themselves.

    Take a look at Microsoft. No one wanted to port to the Metro platform and Microsoft basically made it happen by working with the game engine companies. Now all the game vendors need to do is simply generate a new executable and tweak the controls.

    If Valve wants support for SteamOS, the answer is simple, port the game engines. But I have no interest in games locked into a platform. I stopped buying consoles because I don't need a special machine for games anymore. Windows, Mac, Linux, iPhone, etc... are all powerful enough to play the best of them. Game consoles were only interesting when porting to a platform meant an endless amount of problems with hardware incompatibility. We don't do it anymore. These days, the game engines do the work for us. Content developers can produce awesome games without worrying about AMD vs. Pentium or nVidia vs. Intel vs. AMD. Hell, they don't even have to think much about Mac vs. Windows vs. Linux. They can develop games and simply deploy them.

    SteamOS seems interesting, but I want one device for everything. I use a Surface Pro at the moment. Surface Pro 2 later this month. It's a laptop, a tablet, a video player, an ebook reader and a game system. Would I like better graphics? Yep... but Pro 2 has better graphics. And the graphics on the Surface Pro 2 are good enough that it's now more about game content than graphics quality. I carry an XBox controller in my backpack so I can play Sonic Racing or Lara Croft on airplanes.

    It'll be pretty cool though if Valve makes it so I can buy a game and play it on SteamBox or my Surface without buying a second copy.

    1. Re:Is it really about the OS anymore? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But I would like to develop games on my same LINUX distro I play games on, and not have to buy MAC or Windows to develop it.

  49. Re:One or two good games can certainly make a chan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    haha yeah Red Hat 6.2 on magazine covers.

    "please type in the horizontal (not vertical!) monitor refresh rate"

    pretty much skipped linux until Ubuntu 5.

  50. Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...comong "soon" - Linux will take over desktop dominance.

  51. In my case, yes, it would by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would buy any system that would let me play HL3. If it would take a Steambox to let me play it? Yes, I'd pre-order the thing immediately. Anything to get my grubby little hands on the mad adventures of Gordon and Alyx.

  52. Wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    World of Warcraft runs perfectly under WINE. Like it or not - it's an AAA title, but this did not help gaming on Linux at all. And this has nothing to do with WINE. It simply doesn't matter whether a game runs natively or under WINE, Java, Flash, JavaScript or whatsoever.

  53. 2 Simple Words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not Gonna Happen.

  54. That happened already.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The game is Quake.

  55. I'll wait for Metro Visual Studio by tepples · · Score: 1

    Let me know when Visual Studio is released as a Windows Store Application. Once the developers of developer tools have to eat their own proverbial dog food, then we'll know the environment formerly known as Metro has truly arrived.

    1. Re:I'll wait for Metro Visual Studio by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Let me know when Visual Studio is released as a Windows Store Application. Once the developers of developer tools have to eat their own proverbial dog food, then we'll know the environment formerly known as Metro has truly arrived.

      It isn't designed for that, just like iOS isn't designed to run XCode and Android isn't designed to run Eclipse.

  56. Porting always happens. by kbg · · Score: 2

    The problem is of course any game that becomes popular on Linux will be ported to other platforms like Xbox,PS3 and Windows. So that immediately kills that idea.

  57. Dual boot interrupts IM, web, and music by tepples · · Score: 1

    Imagine yourself in a tech support role, answering the following question: "How do I keep instant messaging, web browsing, and music playback running across a dual boot?"

    1. Re:Dual boot interrupts IM, web, and music by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Imagine yourself in a tech support role, answering the following question: "How do I keep instant messaging, web browsing, and music playback running across a dual boot?"

      "You don't. That is the concept of restarting a computer."

    2. Re:Dual boot interrupts IM, web, and music by tepples · · Score: 1

      "Then why would I buy a game in the first place if it requires restarting in order to play?"

    3. Re:Dual boot interrupts IM, web, and music by kermidge · · Score: 1

      You hit the nail on the head.

      Nobody, and I mean nobody, outside of the already-initiated, even knows about dual-boot, let alone does it.

      "The solution" if it works is to convert them to a Linux host OS and run any needed Windows apps in a virtual machine - IFF it's appropriate to do so.

      One great lack is a stone-simple drop in replacement for Skype.

  58. From other than System76? by tepples · · Score: 1

    Is it fair to blame Ubuntu for all the issues that come with building a computer from scratch? [...] It's the fact that distros just don't put in ( or have for that matter ) the resources necessary to "polish" the OS.

    You appear to have answered your own question. Yes, we can blame Canonical for not having put in the effort to polish Ubuntu to the point where PC makers other than System76 are willing to preload it.

    We know Linux can do this because we use Android phones, and they work just fine for most users.

    Gorilla arm Linux with a calculator app that fills the screen no matter the size of my device's screen has taken off. Linux that's comfortable for hours of work (meaning focused activity) at a time where I can see both what I'm working on and what I'm referring to, not so much.

  59. Can multitask apps easier than operating systems by tepples · · Score: 1

    If folks will install JRE for Minecraft, they could dual boot Ubuntu.

    JRE for Minecraft can show reasonably efficient 3D graphics while Spotify/Pandora/iTunes/whatever is running. This is not true of dual booting. Or has virtualization become better at OpenGL since I last checked?

    So, Hosting my game on my own site with a .deb and .rpm and .tar.gz isn't actually hard

    32 or 64 bit?

  60. MTP on Ubuntu 12.04 by tepples · · Score: 1

    Even without that, Linux plays very nicely with Android phones.

    That was true of Android 2.x, which used FAT over USB mass storage. But Android 4.x's move to MTP has caused me problems on Xubuntu 12.04 LTS. Have current *buntu releases learned to automount MTP tablets?

    1. Re:MTP on Ubuntu 12.04 by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      Yes, Gnome shell and KDE both mount through their file managers automatically now. I still don't like MTP, but at least it works without trouble. Does CyanogenMod still allow both? That's a better solution to me.

    2. Re:MTP on Ubuntu 12.04 by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 1

      Look for the app "USB Mass Storage Enabler" to get mass storage for the microSD card.

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    3. Re:MTP on Ubuntu 12.04 by houstonbofh · · Score: 1
  61. Nonviolent video games by tepples · · Score: 1

    All the games are killer apps, in some sense. The player kills.

    Did you intend this as a complaint the fact that most major-label video games that get ported to desktop Linux are M-rated shooters, not less-violent fare?

  62. Half Life 3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My favorite OS is the penguin.

  63. And who needs this? by qaz123 · · Score: 1

    I mean who will make money because of linux becoming popular gaming platform?

  64. They *do* want an open platform by emblemparade · · Score: 1

    You're plain wrong.

    Gabe constantly says that his business model thrives on free competition, and that he doesn't believe that a walled garden would be good for Valve. And technically, too, Valve made open choices for SteamOS and Steam Machines, where they didn't have to.

    Consider that Apple took a free OS as its base and have closed it: Valve makes it clear that it has no intention in restricting you from sideloading applications on SteamOS or installing whatever you want on your Steam Machine.

    Valve might change in the future, but for now they are absolutely pushing an open platform.

  65. GNU/Linux as desktop os by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the Linux desktop world, application developers usually don't provide a package you can just download and install (there are exceptions of course). Unless you want to compile software from source code, you are entirely dependent on your linux distribution vendor. Here is an example:

    "Ubuntu includes whichever VLC version was the latest at the time the Ubuntu release was frozen (typically about two months before the official Ubuntu upgrade). Afterward, you can still get security and critical bug fixes, but no further major VLC version updates until the next Ubuntu release." -- VideoLAN.org (VLC)

    What does that mean? For a new major release of the famous video player, you have to install a new version of the whole operating system! (Sometimes there are inofficial binaries provided by people who are just annoyed as you by this matter, but can you trust them?) Linux will not become mainstream as long as this issue is not resolved. Simple as that.

  66. Requires root by tepples · · Score: 1

    Like the fix for Android 4.3's Bluetooth keyboard problem, the USB Mass Storage enabler requires root, and as I understand the process for rooting a Nexus 7, I'd have to wipe all the files and unlock the bootloader to gain root. So how should I back up the files on the tablet before wiping it? Would it be best to find a Windows PC to do this over MTP, or would using a file manager to upload all files to a Samba share on the Xubuntu machine be more practical?

    1. Re:Requires root by thejynxed · · Score: 1

      Or just dump it all to something similar to Dropbox or Skydrive, then pull it back - not saying to use those in particular if you don't like their owners or policies, but I think you get the drift.

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  67. Linux already has a killer game by Boawk · · Score: 1

    I think the best sci-fi, alien landscape, puzzle-solver mystery game I've ever played is Gnome 3

  68. I've got it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ./startpacman.sh

  69. throw out OSes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Desktop operating systems are too big and too slow for games and there may be lots to be gained from writing small custom OSes bootable from whatever. Rather than install games to the hard disk why not boot them from ROM and play them directly off the ROM like console machines do. Most game level stuff should all fit in main or GPU memory anyway. The PS3 OS, as I've heard, is pretty crude and behold the results. OSes have a lot of code game players simply don't need.

  70. Killer game by Erik.Dansereau · · Score: 1

    Finally will get some use out of my gaming desktop

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  71. So anything like AIDE? by tepples · · Score: 1

    Android isn't designed to run Eclipse

    It is, however, designed to run AIDE.

    1. Re:So anything like AIDE? by exomondo · · Score: 1

      What's that got to do with anything?

    2. Re:So anything like AIDE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong! AIDE was designed for Android specifically because Android was not designed to run existing development environments.

    3. Re:So anything like AIDE? by tepples · · Score: 1

      AIDE was designed for Android specifically because Android was not designed to run existing development environments.

      So instead of Visual Studio, what should be designed for Windows RT specifically because Windows RT was not designed to run existing development environments?

    4. Re:So anything like AIDE? by tepples · · Score: 1

      Let me phrase this as directly as I can: Android has a development environment that runs on a (preferably docked) device. If you want to write and test code on your ASUS Transformer, you can. What development environment that runs on a (preferably docked) device does Windows RT have? If none, then this is a point for Android over Windows RT and the Windows Runtime environment of Windows 8.

    5. Re:So anything like AIDE? by exomondo · · Score: 1

      How is that in any way related to the discussion at hand? The point is the metro interface isn't designed for application development, in fact even much of microsoft's content creation suites - or anybody elses for that matter - arent suited to it, it's designed to be a content viewing interface, much like iOS is. Your suggestion that visual studio needs to be available on it demonstrates that you completely miss the point of it, much like XCode doesn't need to be available on iPads.

  72. Idiot or lying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It took Halo for the first Xbox to kick off and go crazy

    He was probably not born back then or he'd remember that MS's PR had rabid Xbox fanbois shrieking the glory of Xbox all across the internet, while condemning the PS2 "Jaggies!" (thanks 3DFX!) long before the console was released.

  73. I just can't see it happening by tiggertaebo · · Score: 1

    The Halo example isn't really comparable - yes it was a new IP on a new platform and it did a great job of getting it's platform sold but the difference is that the XBOX was at least in people's mind as a gaming platform even if they weren't inclined to buy it before. Linux is not viewed as that and I can't see something like Steam OS changing that without a massive marketing push - which often means a big exclusive to showcase it and that brings me to the next problem which is that Steam is already spread across various platforms and I just can't see someone, even Valve developing a AAA exclusive game for it. Games of that calibre are just too damn expensive to develop to risk it sinking without a trace because of the platform. It's a different story for someone like Microsoft or Sony to entice exclusives because they are massive corporations with huge amounts of money to throw at it, even so it seems to be going the way that "true" exclusives are getting rarer and I might be wrong but it seems to me that many of those tend to either be developed by a studio they own or a smaller house that they take under their wing.

    An existing, hugely popular IP would maybe have a good shot at raising the profile of the platform but why take such a risk with something that would be massively profitable if published in it's normal channels? A timed exclusive is unlikely to generate too much interest since people will just wait unless the period is on the long side and then the potential customers will just get resentful instead.

  74. Quake III Arena by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

    Quake III Areana was clearly a 'killer' game. One of the best FPS of all times, still being played today, 14 years later.
    It was realeased for windows and linux almost simultaneously, and it changed almost nothing about the status of linux for gaming.
    Ok, it wasn't a linux exclusive but it actually ran slightly better on linux.

  75. The word "exclusive" needs to be added. by intermodal · · Score: 1

    It's not simple availability we need. It's either exclusivity, or superior experience. Simple parity will not do the trick. SteamOS might be a good start though.

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  76. I want you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want you! To create a exclusive Linux game.
    Hi Guys, Why not?

  77. Facepalm!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Big Budget AAA's have been dead for years!!! The big names are not dropping millions on these "New and Upcoming" titles this stuff was already in production or completed years ago, with 99% of the content being simply refreshed(old made to look new). Subdivide that, refresh these textures, pull those models from the archive's use that plot. lol

    Some one on here quoted 30 Million for production ROFL. Ok then you keep thinking that. No wonder some of you get suckered into $60+ CoD and then Monthly Subscription Fees and take it like champs.

    Anyways the top 10 Games of the last 5 years were all indie title's.

    Once Mocap Setups become affordable, to your average "Joe Indie" that will be the end of your Big Budget Production.

    As far as your average user they could care less if its Windows, Mac, Linux, Android, IOS, Blackberry, or ShittyOS5000 as long as it runs whatever game/app at any given moment.
    The vast majority of the people I know who use computers, stuffed that old dust windows desktop in the closet around the time of there second android phone or tablet upgrade. I know "one" window user and he is a die hard AAA game fanatic, has to have all the latest and greatest.

  78. It will only take 1 run of system updates... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It will only take 1 run of system updates to then drive those gamers away from Linux and back to Windows. Nothing like that great feeling of installing Linux, being amazed at how perfectly it works, installing the proprietary graphics driver to get the maximum performance of your GPU, then running an automatic update check, rebooting, and be left stuck staring at a black screen or worse yet a command line.

    Linux still has a long way to go before it is ready for the unwashed masses.

    Issues that remain in 2013:
    -Proprietary graphics driver gets corrupted after automatic updates
    -Underscan enabled by default when connected to a TV over HDMI with no way to turn it off until the proprietary driver and custom vendor software is installed that provides the option to do so.
    -1080P not detected for TV connect via HDMI resulting in a max resolution of 1280x768
    -No a/52 surround sound when using SPDIF out for audio unless you manually hack together the module for it
    -No stereo sound when using SPDIF if you manually hack together the a/52 module
    -Log files having no default size limit allowing them to consume the entire boot drive, and no means provided to set a limit on them or disable them

    Linux is fine on a server where I don't care about graphics or sound, but for a HTPC or primary desktop it still is a pile of shit. My latest attempt for my HTPC lasted all of 3 days before I got fed up and tossed Windows 8 on it. By comparison, Windows 8 worked flawlessly and was up and running within 2 hours will all drivers and primary software installed. No problems with resolution, surround sound, or disappearing drive space.

  79. one killer game and the macintosh dilemma... by DrScrambles · · Score: 1

    If linux got one good game it will be seen as a much more viable gaming platform. however since linux is a computer os the game WILL be ported to other os's and linux will lose some of its luster in the gaming market. lets just hope that linux doesnt become the next apple. what i mean is that bungie originally was a mac exclusive developer, putting out great games exclusive to macs. they were great but they didnt get much notoriety. macs would be considered computers to play games on because of a game named halo. however microsoft bought bungie and apple computers were doomed to be second class gaming machines.

    1. Re:one killer game and the macintosh dilemma... by DrScrambles · · Score: 1

      wait i got that wrong, linux is not just a computer os.

  80. Quake Engine Remake of Red Dwarf is my suggestion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OK .. So here's one that could have been in the foundry since the Quake 2 Engine was made available.

    But the Red Dwarf could have been use as a massive map for a decent single player...

    it start's off with Dave Lister taking a Pot Noodle out of the Microwave .. and setting off for the engineering decks to fix a flux subverter

    ...masses of uncharted space to rediscover etc .. and let's face it ; with all of the reaction to the new series would mean that they'd jump on a license deal to improve face. Question is .. this gaming on linux story is so predictable .. why didn't somebody jump on this and start developing ages ago ?

    Linux was always a lonely backwater like a Silent Running's anyway.