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Netflix: Non-'A' Players Unworthy of Jobs

theodp writes "Describing How Netflix Reinvented HR for the Harvard Business Review, ex-Chief Talent Officer Patty McCord describes 'the most basic element of Netflix's talent philosophy: The best thing you can do for employees — a perk better than foosball or free sushi — is hire only "A" players to work alongside them.' Continuing her Scrooge-worthy tale, McCord adds that firing a once-valuable employee instead of finding another way for her to contribute yielded another aha! moment for Netflix: 'If we wanted only "A" players on our team, we had to be willing to let go of people whose skills no longer fit, no matter how valuable their contributions had once been. Out of fairness to such people — and, frankly, to help us overcome our discomfort with discharging them — we learned to offer rich severance packages.' It's a sometimes-praised, sometimes-criticized strategy that's straight out of Steve Jobs' early '80s playbook. But, even if you assume your execs are capable of identifying 'A' players, how do you find enough employees if 90% of the country's population is deemed unworthy of jobs? Well, Netflix CEO Reed Hastings' support of Mark Zuckerberg's FWD.us PAC suggests one possible answer — you get lobbyists to convince Congress you need to hire as many people as you want from outside the country. An article commenter points out that Netflix's 'Culture of Fear' has earned it a 3.2/5.0 rating on Glassdoor."

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  1. Torrenting hurts these guys... by EdgePenguin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...so I guess there is now another reason to do it!

    1. Re:Torrenting hurts these guys... by _Shad0w_ · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Sort of: they use torrenting stats to work out what's popular and acquire licences to stream it.

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    2. Re:Torrenting hurts these guys... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Absolutely. In the old days, employees could rely on employers to give them stability. So long as they were competent in their jobs, they could make a consistent and long term life plan around their job and their community. This had enormous economic benefits in that entire families could stay in one place and purchase nice houses, nice cars, go on vacations, etc. With the onset of lasseiz faire capitalism and the "corporation as top tier person", actual human beings have become easily (and often) replaced widgets with the resulting predictable fall in infrastructure and economic benefit for anyone but the most wealthy. This country is no longer about doing what is best for the *people*, but instead doing what is best for "corporate persons" in the futile hope that they will grant the rest of us the privilege of having a temporary job for a few months before being shuffled off for the next batch of desperate suckers.

      Thank you Ayn Rand, we're so much better off now than we were back when we had stable jobs and a strong country!

    3. Re:Torrenting hurts these guys... by interkin3tic · · Score: 0

      Torrenting predated netflix, so I'm skeptical that torrenting is going to be very disruptive to netflix.

      Hulu seems like it would have a better shot. And interestingly, Hulu has a better rating by glassdoor, of 4.1. That said, I'm keeping my netflix account and not getting hulu because 1. I don't work at either place 2. I think Hulu's allies are more damaging to the larger society than netflix and 3. I'm willing to settle for the lesser of two evils to be entertained.

    4. Re:Torrenting hurts these guys... by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 1, Insightful

      With the onset of lasseiz faire capitalism and the "corporation as top tier person"

      What country are you talking about? The U.S. has been going steadily away from laissez faire capitalism for at least 100 years now... to the point where it might actually start turning back in the other direction as more and more centrally-planned fiascoes are revealed and the old socialist hippies start dying off.

      Your other disconnect seems to be thinking that "corporation as top tier person" is laissez faire, as opposed to a government rent-seeking benefit largely found in countries with more government control of the economy. Pro-economic freedom doesn't necessarily mean pro-government organized corporation.

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    5. Re:Torrenting hurts these guys... by easyTree · · Score: 1

      No need, their own hiring policy will do the job for you. How much work will get done with the only type of staff member being the one which spends all of his time attempting to get higher by standing on the backs of others - sinking-ship style ?

      Good luck neckFlits.

    6. Re:Torrenting hurts these guys... by bbsalem · · Score: 2

      The U.S. made a huge regression back to laissez faire capitalism after 1980, and it isn't just Ronald Reagan's fault, although he helped it along, and I am not so naive as to suggest that politicians do anything but respond to economic trends rather than creating them.

      If you want to understand the economic shifts of the past 30 years and predict what the consequence may be, look in your own back yard as techies. I consider myself a techie, although it isn't reaslly my strong suit, still I know my way around technology, and technology is by far the root cause for job insecurity for most people and the lopsided income distribution. The engineers who invented all this stuff and who are lately misusing it to try to rip people off through social media and program driven market speculation have no idea of the consequences now beginning to emerge; the dislocations to society. Elitist thinking, which is rampent in technical circles, won't protect them if the mass of people displaced by poor management of the economic effects become aware. I am not talking about mere luditism here, but a social revolution in which the top is decapitated for greed and selfishness. The unrest is already obvious which is why many people who post on these threads do so with an undercurrent of fear. The fear is justified. Technology really is neurtral, but at those times when things are out of wack because of its unfair use, then its practioners, from the company managements, to the investors, to the staff engineers, are up for examination. We are beginning to see this already, as bodies like the U.S. Congress have to wrestle increasingly with the effects of technical decisions. So those of you who see the government and other "outsiders", like Facebook users, as incompetent to judge your work, should put your own house in order and be above reproach for it not to could come back to haunt you Big Time.

    7. Re:Torrenting hurts these guys... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately the you Randists simply define and rationalize everything the way you want, ignore things said by people like Adam Smith, and so if you like it its laissez faire, and if you don't like it it is "government". You're worse than a bunch of terrorists and far worse than the so-called "socialist hippies"... You wish to destroy the republic, and destroy millions of lives. You just keep lying to make yourselves happy like a bunch of Marxist-Leninists. Chomsky called you out: you want socialism for the rich and capitalism for the rest of us.

    8. Re:Torrenting hurts these guys... by DrStoooopid · · Score: 0

      You obviously missed the point of Atlas Shrugged if you think that Ayn Rand and her philosophies are responsible for The Corporation, which came to be LONG before the birth of Ayn Rand. (either that or you bought into whatever liberal indoctrinated fool you had for a poli-sci professor.) Either way, you need to go back and take a history class, predatory corporate practices were alive and well long before the idea of personal responsibility.

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  2. this is like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Netflix accepting only "A-Players" is exactly the corporate equivalent of some fat greasy obese anime-watching neckbeard putting up his dating profile and going SUPERMODELS ONLY PLEASE.

    1. Re:this is like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that in Netflix's case it works.

    2. Re:this is like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Correlation with one data point is not causation, idiot.

      The alternative explanation is most Netflix employee work is so routine that anyone could do it - you could hire a mediocre, good or brilliant employee and you'd end up with the same result.

      They're not a research lab. Aside from the people who do their marketing and negotiate with the film labels, they're not doing anything that anyone else could do - indeed, the pirates are far better at delivering the films I want to watch. They can't even write decent HTML/JS/CSS, but again, it's "good enough", so who cares?

    3. Re:this is like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dating sites are where losers go to be judged solely upon their profile photos. Meanwhile the supermodels already have sex.
      Job sites are where losers go to be judged solely upon their resume keywords. Meanwhile the A-players already have jobs.

      What's the fucking difference?

    4. Re:this is like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except what they call A-players are absolute shit in terms of actual skill.

    5. Re:this is like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, when you're the largest player in an oligarchy composed of perhaps four total, you have the least incentive to compete, and the most incentive to crank out the most mediocre work possible.

      Netflix has pretty much a lock on streaming movies legally. Their pricing structure pretty much guarantees it, and they obtained a significant momentum.

      It would seem Netflix has decided to go the way of Microsoft in the 2000s and rest on its laurels, slowly losing market share, but not in numbers great enough to provoke it into innovation or customer satisfaction.

    6. Re:this is like by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Meanwhile the supermodels already have sex.

      link?

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    7. Re:this is like by jythie · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Oddly enough, many actually are caught in a dating quagmire. There are certain tiers in the modeling world, if you are above a certain level (too exotic for non-elites) but below the level where you are integrated with the elite culture, they kinda end up in a bit of a dateless limbo that only really ends if their career picks up or fails.

    8. Re:this is like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that in Netflix's case it works.

      Not really. The language used in the article suggests that they are spending more resources on trying to quantify the kind of workers they want and probably failing majorly at it.
      I give them ten years. Twenty tops.

    9. Re:this is like by SerpentMage · · Score: 2

      Really Netflix works? So tell me Einstein how much of a presence does Netflix have outside of America, Canada, and the UK? OH NOT MUCH! If they are so much the A players and A team and best on this planet why on earth are they not in the vast majority of countries? Oh wait in the UK they have competition from Love Film. This is what gets me with "american" thinking. And I don't want to stereotypify here because not all Americans are like this.

      It reminds me of Walmart who thought they could tromp into whatever country they wanted because they were the best. HA! They had their head handed to them on a platter in Germany. Netflix reminds me of this.

      Their idea that you only hire A players is actually not a good idea. The growth of a company relies on innovation and innovation as much as managers dislike it does not come from conformity or some check mark system. My wife who is a fairly high manager knows this all too well. Innovation is a damm nebulous thing that comes from the oddest corners and from the oddest people. What is needed is a mixture of people who are hardworking, and dedicated to the cause. No more, no less.

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    10. Re:this is like by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      In the UK, they compete with Lovefilm (Amazon), Blinkbox (Tesco, big supermarket chain) and Sky (Satellite TV company owned by Rupert Murdoch).

    11. Re:this is like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazon, Tesco... and Murdoch? Yikes.

    12. Re:this is like by mariox19 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Perhaps we should start some kind of outreach program: "For only $600.00 a day—the price of dinner at an exclusive Manhattan restaurant—you too can bring hope to an exotic supermodel. Please, pick up the phone and make the call."

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    13. Re:this is like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Netflix accepting only "A-Players" is exactly the corporate equivalent of some fat greasy obese anime-watching neckbeard putting up his dating profile and going SUPERMODELS ONLY PLEASE.

      If said person also placed in the profile his financial report with more than three commas in the "total" :-)
      Perhaps requirement above is to filter torrent of messages.

    14. Re:this is like by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      you could hire a mediocre, good or brilliant employee and you'd end up with the same result.

      No. In a way I see their point, although I don't completely agree. Having worked here in the socialized medicine system of a third world latin country, it becomes immediately apparent that there are people with a wide range of abilities and skillsets. However over time those "A-players" with excellent skills become lazy and sloppy, because of the mediocre environment that surrounds them. It's very very easy to turn a good employee into a mediocre employee when you surround him with other mediocre people, excessive bureaucracy and silly rules and regulations that are arbitrarily enforced. It's virtually impossible, however, to turn a mediocre person into a talented, highly motivated individual (although it does happen sometimes). So I see their point.

      However Netflix's argument is based on the assumption that their hiring staff are the best possible judges of talent around and they never, ever make mistakes. Since everyone is human, then this simply cannot be true. Also people change over time, for many reasons. I work much more efficiently now in my late 40's than I did in my 20's, even though I work less actual hours I get more done. Likewise people who used to produce world class work can slack off, for any number of temporary or permanent reasons. So they get canned? Well then, this "system" is nothing but a quota system in disguise, and if you fail to meet your quota you're out of here. Not necessarily the best system, and certainly not anything new.

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    15. Re:this is like by Dunbal · · Score: 2, Informative

      You could argue that you will always be motivated to do the least amount of work possible when you are working for someone else, too. I know I would far rather spend my time doing what I want than doing stuff for "my boss", especially in a small, menial role that really doesn't affect the company that much (after all, I can be easily replaced, apparently). TBH I'm glad I don't work for anyone but myself anymore.

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    16. Re:this is like by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      "Apple Genius" - same deal, different task.

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    17. Re: this is like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://github.com/Netflix?tab=repositories
      their front end UX may not be the best but Netflix is actually well regarded in terms of their high scale infrastructure engineering and their open source contributions related to that, AFAIK. I don't agree with the 'culture of fear' but be reasonable, their engineers do a whole lot more than design an ugly red website. check out chaos monkey, etc.

    18. Re:this is like by Bearhouse · · Score: 1

      Hey works for me

    19. Re:this is like by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oddly enough, many actually are caught in a dating quagmire. There are certain tiers in the modeling world, if you are above a certain level (too exotic for non-elites) but below the level where you are integrated with the elite culture, they kinda end up in a bit of a dateless limbo that only really ends if their career picks up or fails.

      If true, then I imagine things might be different for them if they (a) stopped caring about what other people think of who they choose to date and (b) opened their eyes, hearts and minds to a wider range of people to date. In reality, one never knows exactly who that perfect person is for you and it may be someone unexpected or otherwise unconsidered. (Unless, of course, you're just dating someone to enhance your own career/status.)

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    20. Re:this is like by Shoten · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Correlation with one data point is not causation, idiot.

      The alternative explanation is most Netflix employee work is so routine that anyone could do it - you could hire a mediocre, good or brilliant employee and you'd end up with the same result.

      They're not a research lab. Aside from the people who do their marketing and negotiate with the film labels, they're not doing anything that anyone else could do - indeed, the pirates are far better at delivering the films I want to watch. They can't even write decent HTML/JS/CSS, but again, it's "good enough", so who cares?

      Actually...Netflix does quite a lot of research. They are famous as being tireless in their quest to improve every aspect of their business...and while most of those changes are invisible to us there are still plenty that are quite apparent.

      Remember back many years ago,when the return envelopes started showing up with the window cut-outs so that the bar code of the DVD could be scanned from the outside? That effectively saved them an entire day on DVD turnaround by allowing them to validate which subscribers had returned DVDs before having to actually process said incoming DVDS.

      Netflix has actually worked so hard at optimizing their content delivery that they use AWS more effectively and efficiently than Amazon does. This is not even remotely trivial.

      Netflix's recommendation algorithms have undergone multiple generations of evolution, and Netflix was very early as a pioneer of crowdsourcing before the term even existed.

      And now, Netflix is deliberately trying to disassemble the current content delivery model whereby things are bundled and then bundled again. The show is bundled with other shows in the network, and the network is bundled with other channels in the cable/dish/FIOS package. Netflix is creating entire series and delivering them a la carte; they are also producing those series in a different way, based on what they have learned (through...wait for it...RESEARCH) about how people will consume such shows when they are made available all at once instead of parceled out an episode at a time over the span of months.

      I get a kick out of how as soon as a company has a lot of market share, a widely shared opinion on Slashdot forms that they must somehow be predatory and evil. As I see it, Netflix came out of nowhere, defeated the existing and universally-despised incumbents, survived attempts by major companies to copy their business model (showing in the process that for all the simplicity exposed to the customer, Netflix really is doing some amazing stuff in the back-end operations) and continued to deliver good customer service. I've never had a bad experience with Netflix, and that's saying something after over a decade as one of their customers. Seems to me that they're what I want big companies to be like...unlike pretty much every other company in the entertainment industry. Do I like every single solitary thing they do? No. I don't like every single solitary any company...or person...does. But when they say that X is part of their secret to success, I tend to believe them. It seems to me that they know more about how they got where they are than any of us do.

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    21. Re:this is like by Desler · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually...Netflix does quite a lot of research. They are famous as being tireless in their quest to improve every aspect of their business...and while most of those changes are invisible to us there are still plenty that are quite apparent.

      Yeah and so was Microsoft and it's decade+ of stack ranking was a complete disaster despite the arrogant HR managers thinking they were as great as these Netflix ones.

    22. Re:this is like by Desler · · Score: 1

      Its*

    23. Re:this is like by antdude · · Score: 1

      Yeah, we need proofs. :P

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    24. Re:this is like by sycodon · · Score: 1

      I have a streaming account with them. Except for a few blockbusters that everyone has probably seen at least twice, their catalog is comprised of reality shows and B movies.

      Looking for a new service to stream movies...good ones. Any suggestions?

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    25. Re:this is like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have absolutely no qualms about completely and immediately cutting off the lifeline of corporations who prove they have no such qualms themselves.

    26. Re:this is like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fattist.

    27. Re:this is like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Netflix is like any large enough companies. There are some groups/dept that are innovative and carry the entire company, the rest are there to benefit from the other group/dept's work.

      I've worked at Netflix, and most of the company is highly political. Because of their hire/fire policy, the people who have been there long enough learned to form political connections to keep their job. It's no longer how well you contribute, but who you know that can CYA while you CTA. These people watch out for each other and protect each other's job. Sad, but understandable.

      I watched an entire group of supposedly experienced sysadmins/devops/whatever who can not make the open sourced OpenStack work, so they hired an external consulting firm to set it up for them.

      There is/are a few groups/dept, mostly on the cloud engineering side who are doing most of the innovative work. But even there, some of the political culture seeped through and infected them. Mostly the ones who have been there long enough. So maybe it is good for them to hire and fire so much, to keep things fresh. Keep churning and not letting their employees get infected by the political culture.

    28. Re:this is like by CrankyFool · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Except that Netflix stays the hell away from stack ranking because it's mind-bogglingly stupid.

      If we believe we (yes, "we." I work at Netflix) try to hire only top performers, it would actually make perfect sense that your whole team is doing great. There's no reason to artificially say that someone is doing poorly.

      (Netflix reviews, BTW, are non-anonymous; anyone can review you; there's no requirement that anyone review anyone; and there's no scoring, just one text box for feedback. They're also separated by about four months from salary decisions because reviews are not meant to be related to salary)

    29. Re:this is like by currently_awake · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "A" players tend to be poor team players, and "A" players need a lower paid support crew to do the simple stuff while they concentrate on the big picture. If you eliminate all the "B" players you force your highly paid "A" players to waste their expensive time doing stupid stuff- causing frustration and staff turnover.

    30. Re:this is like by ohnocitizen · · Score: 1

      Exactly. They aren't getting the top notch people, and this would scare them away. What this might do is put more pressure on employees already hired - something the company appears to be interested in and adept at doing. If I worked there I'd be putting my resume out there as quickly as possible.

    31. Re:this is like by kharchenko · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually...Netflix does quite a lot of research. They are famous as being tireless in their quest to improve every aspect of their business...and while most of those changes are invisible to us there are still plenty that are quite apparent.

      Remember back many years ago,when the return envelopes started showing up with the window cut-outs so that the bar code of the DVD could be scanned from the outside?

      Yes, I remember. That was a looong time ago. And ever since they stopped being an underdog and hopped onto the corporate "A" list things have been going steadily downhill. The menu is utter shit! It mixes in movies I watched, it mixes in TV series with movies, it doesn't show anything (like star rating) but big dumb pictures, it fakes the star rating to feed me some crap I they just bought, etc.. It's as if they're trying to make it difficult to find something on purpose. Just tried to find something to watch yesterday. Wasted 20 minutes, walked away with a headache. And it didn't used to be this way - the interface was informative, you could sort by ratings, you could see what your friends rated and watched. I also think there were movies. That went out of the window, though now there's an annoying bar inviting me to share info with friends. Of course I need to sign in with a facebook account to do so.

      Which brings me to my final point. What kind of a half-assed company requires a third party sign in to provide customer feedback?! I don't have a facebook account, and so I can't even send Netflix a message explaining how much they're messing up. The only way I can send a message is leave.

      But it's not like they'd read it anyway - evidently they're too busy enjoying their "A"-list corporate circlejerk.

    32. Re:this is like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You say that as if there was no "Rule 34". Supermodels are people to, you know.

    33. Re:this is like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Netflix accepting only "A-Players" is exactly the corporate equivalent of some fat greasy obese anime-watching neckbeard putting up his dating profile and going SUPERMODELS ONLY PLEASE.

      Except you ignored how these companies are buying politicians to pass laws for them to hire out of country, and in turn this allows them to (obviously) hire cheap talent. In the neo-communist ideals of Jobs, you get to keep your monopoly over others, and of course more profits, because who needs people that made major contributions to advancing your product. This leads to higher pay/salary, once you have gotten what you expected or perhaps didn't expect, you can just fire them, and give them a severance package that is cheaper then having them stay on. Now with outsourcing jobs you can hire cheap and keep them cheap, because most of these people never realize that they are being abused/used and they could go elsewhere if they have skill/talent where they could make more, and create more.

      AKA, Once they are here they are so excited to just have a job, live in the US, they never realize there full potential.

    34. Re:this is like by epyT-R · · Score: 0

      Whatever. Who in their right mind would want to work for employers who have such shitty 'suckerberg' attitudes? I'm not sure what an 'A-player' even is, but if it's meant to be the hyper-extraverted-political-yet-useless type, I would not want to work for or with them. You could not pay me enough..

    35. Re:this is like by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      The alternative explanation is most Netflix employee work is so routine that anyone could do it - you could hire a mediocre, good or brilliant employee and you'd end up with the same result.

      So assume you're an "A-player" and hired by Netflix. And they put you on a routine job of updating some pile of CSS and Javascript. Do you think you'll bring your "A-game" there?

      The problem is the "A-players" often need varying, changing tasks to keep "entertained". Give them dull boring maintenance tasks and you're "wasting their talent". Yet as any big continuing software project goes, maintenance is the largest and most common task - fixing bugs, refactoring, etc. Very little goes towards flashy new interfaces and features. Heck, a large part can be simple technical support - handling cases from other developers on how to use APIs to accomplish various tasks.

      Presumably the "B-players" who aren't working on the flashy new stuff know the heart of the system inside and out. Yet getting rid of them gets rid of institutionalized knowledge - you give them a problem or a customer question, and they know exactly where to zero in on the code. They may not be able to fix ti as quickly, or can easily get tangled up, but they know where to start looking and how the systems interact. Of course, the A player can probably get a fix done quickly once pointed out the location, but they won't know the repercussions. Some of which won't happen until the fix is long forgotten about.

      When everything is new, yes, you want A players because it's getting stuff done. But once you have something, maintenance is no longer in the A-player's interests - they want flashy and new, not bugfixing and documentation (what's the open-source mantra? You have the code, fix it yourself? Bingo.).

    36. Re:this is like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oddly enough, many actually are caught in a dating quagmire.

      He said sex, not "dating". With the exception of the fatbodies (aka "plus size"), if you're a model you can get all the sex you want.

    37. Re:this is like by Tynin · · Score: 1

      Actually...Netflix does quite a lot of research.

      Indeed. If you are unaware of Chaos Monkey or the Simian Army, look it up. I've nothing but respect how they've effectively eliminated single points of failure in their environment.

      I've heard stories of their dev/qa system that is equally awesome, that allows for rapid code development, regression testing, and deployment into live systems, thousands of times a day.

    38. Re:this is like by martin-boundary · · Score: 2

      That's not research, that's development. Research is extending the boundaries of human knowledge.

    39. Re:this is like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about Google Play or Amazon?

    40. Re: this is like by cmburns69 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Disclaimer: I work for a streaming company.

      The reason Netflix offers b movies and lesser-quality TV is because of the fee they charge. It's economically impossible to charge such a low subscription and provide higher quality content.

      In other words, I can tell you that better streaming services are coming, but they'll cost more too.

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    41. Re:this is like by Electricity+Likes+Me · · Score: 1

      The problem is the term is complete BS. "A" players are whoever a management type likes at the time, usually because whatever they do is suddenly at the fore of the focus. Are users complaining about the web design? Quick find a CSS person you can call your "A" player. Because that's a business critical experience right there and let's face it, no one see's the sysadmins work...

    42. Re: this is like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who defines the boundary and what is the definition of knowledge? Is it a Martin boundary :) ? Some define knowledge as well justified belief. To me those works seem to bring evidence to justify beliefs that were not as justified before. Not like writing another webapp like the billion before it. But if knowledge and its boundary are Martin defined... Ok

    43. Re:this is like by swillden · · Score: 1

      "A" players tend to be poor team players

      Not if your definition of an "A" player includes being really good at collaboration. If the work environment is highly collaborative, you don't really even have to specifically evaluate that aspect of individual performance... if they can't work well with others they simply won't be as effective as those who can.

      "A" players need a lower paid support crew to do the simple stuff while they concentrate on the big picture. If you eliminate all the "B" players you force your highly paid "A" players to waste their expensive time doing stupid stuff- causing frustration and staff turnover.

      So you hire "A"-level support staff, people who are really good at getting all of the stupid stuff out of the way. I work for Google and while I'm not going to make any claims about Google only hiring "A" players (I would probably have to consider myself a counterexample to that claim -- though a rare one, because the people I work with are great), it definitely does hire amazing support staff.

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    44. Re: this is like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You needed an email account to sign up, unless you're hosting your own there's one third party service, what's another one on top of that?

    45. Re:this is like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BWAHAHAHAHA..not stack ranked. That's cute. So you only hire A players and fire them when they aren't A players...yeah there's nothing stacked ranked about that. You only have one stack. Also, there's absolutely no way reviews are tied to salary, because there's "time" and people can't go back and re-read things. Listen junior, everyone tries to hire top performers. Only morons think that they can game the system, because here's the big thing, measuring talent is both subjective and hard and you're starting with the assumption that your HR people are A players. It really just sounds like Netflix pays crap and wants gold from what you just said.

    46. Re:this is like by WOOFYGOOFY · · Score: 3, Interesting

      ". However over time those "A-players" with excellent skills become lazy and sloppy, because of the mediocre environment that surrounds them."

      Uh. Part of the definition of an A-player is they're self motivated and willing to extend themselves vigorously into every task. They also want enough authority to *seek consensus to make changes* rather than wait for the next todo list to be issued by their idiot manager.

      So no, it's not their B-player team that is dragging them down.

      In fact, the environments I have been in which everyone was an A-Player or acted like one, or felt they had to act like one were the WORST for actual resultant productivity because the people who survive those environments aren't the A-iest of A-Players, they're the most devious, withholding, backstabbing and politically savvy of the assembled A-Players who have as their constant targets their nearest rivals.

      Malcom Galdwell has a great article about this phenomena of anti-productivity that results from super competitive environments in exclusive universities. The upshot is that a lot of our most talented people QUIT their fields - to our everlasting detriment- because in hyper competitive environments they feel disoriented, diminished, inadequate, undermined and unsupported, especially since they tend to come from supportive high schools which want them to excel.

      In Netflix case, there's also a huge amount of disingenuity built into the argument. Claims of "desperate labor shortages" and "inadequate pool of qualified candidates" for tech jobs is literally the oldest trick in the book to flood the market with labor and drive down prices for labor. Netflix is just a fucking liar. Believe it or not, they did the same thing with sous chefs in the 80-s and 90s they ALWAYS do the same thing whenever anyone in the middle class starts threatening to partake of the profits. They go to Congress and say "eh, this whole free market thing really sucks, who wants to pay according to supply and demand? We need to up supply- a lot. Give us another 20 million work visas. Here's your reelection cash. Same arrangement as last time. Thanks"

      This is the eternal narcissism of the CEO, whose employment picture will never be anywhere as volatile- irrespective of his performance or the pool of qualified candidates who could do his job better than he does at 1/5 the cost to the company. This basically is the degenerate thinking of some guy who walks around with two people behind him holding up the train of his cape.

      So what's the take away lesson? Don't apply to Netflix, for sure. Also, drop Netflix if you hate companies with abusive labor practices. "Use We only hire A Players ! " notices on jobs as code for "Do Not Apply" and "no thanks" to headhunters. f you're an A-Player Seek seek small company environments that say yes to initiative and are grateful for your efforts. If you're this type of person, you know there is no higher high than making cool shit people love.

       

    47. Re:this is like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Actually...Netflix does quite a lot of research.

      So much research that they outsource it. I remember the "beat the Netflix movie picking formula" programming contest. Now, tell me, what respectable research group would trust their core competency to a group of complete unknowns. I'll give you a hint, a group that's not trusted to be the best researchers they could find.

      Another poster said it better than I. Netflix has some brilliant marketing people, as you probably believe (and I did too at the time) that they are top-notch. However, they claim to hire only the best, which they then claim must work 100% or be let go. Odds are that means they are either letting go of the best, or woefully unaware of how delusional they are in their claims of hiring only the best.

      Either way, it's an expensive philosophy, not to mention that the best often have temporary situations that can take them off their game. Parents die, auto accidents happen, and marriages go south (especially if you are 100% at work being the best). Netflix is just using their brilliant marketing to tell you that they are a sweatshop who makes all their employees realize that they are disposable unless they work harder. Whether the employees are brilliant, or if they singlehandedly created a new revenue stream of millions, or if they are one of the few who understand how all the systems work together is irrelevant. Netflix wants you to know you're on the chopping block.

      Most companies offset this kind of mentality with high pay. I now see why Netflix pays so much. They're assholes.

    48. Re:this is like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oddly enough, many actually are caught in a dating quagmire. There are certain tiers in the modeling world, if you are above a certain level (too exotic for non-elites) but below the level where you are integrated with the elite culture, they kinda end up in a bit of a dateless limbo that only really ends if their career picks up or fails.

      If true, then I imagine things might be different for them if they (a) stopped caring about what other people think of who they choose to date and (b) opened their eyes, hearts and minds to a wider range of people to date. In reality, one never knows exactly who that perfect person is for you and it may be someone unexpected or otherwise unconsidered. (Unless, of course, you're just dating someone to enhance your own career/status.)

      You are talking about a person who's bought into an industry that's founded on the bedrock of superficiality. From their outward appearance to the fact that they are very highly paid clothes hangers, and they (mostly) like it. This is not the group that's going to look for inner beauty (or whatever non visible attribute comes to mind) because they depend heavily upon outer beauty. It is tough to shift gears and focus away from your pressing concerns to items that rarely concern you at all.

      Yes, they might find inner peace by looking for inner beauty, but let's not fool ourselves. Plenty of the people who find and seek inner beauty are quite miserable too.

    49. Re:this is like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess that your argument from a position of admitted ignorance would be compelling to someone, but I can't for the life of me imagine who.

    50. Re:this is like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Unless, of course, you're just dating someone to enhance your own career/status.)

      I think you answered your own premise here.

    51. Re:this is like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In certain careers, dating the "wrong person", a person outside your tier, results in being unable to make any further progress in your career.

    52. Re:this is like by bbsalem · · Score: 1

      Yes, as long as the profit curve goes up. Ever worked for a company that is losing profit?

    53. Re:this is like by bbsalem · · Score: 0

      Except, of course, this hinges very much on which context someone's work is judged to be "mediocre", and that can change over time. In fact, under the single payer system we have in the U.S. one can be judged as "mediocre" just for getting older and having some of the kind of medical issues that occur with age, as unfair as that is. Employers get away with it and especially when the business is losing profitability and managers have pressure to control their bottom lines, then they turn sociopathic if they aren't already. I knew of one manager who seemed to target those for layoff who had used the sick leave and medical coverage. He was never called on it, and the company eventually got baught out, but it was clear that he was narcissistic in other ways, too.

    54. Re:this is like by jythie · · Score: 1

      From the people I have talked to, it is not an issue of not being open, it is an issue of how people approach them. Lots of guys wanting arm candy or quick sex, but the number who talk to them like people and show actual relationship interest really drops off. In other words, people stop considering them.

    55. Re:this is like by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      From the people I have talked to, it is not an issue of not being open, it is an issue of how people approach them. Lots of guys wanting arm candy or quick sex, but the number who talk to them like people and show actual relationship interest really drops off. In other words, people stop considering them.

      I can understand that. I think it's stupid, but I can see it being true - for both men and women. I guess my original comment can then apply to both the model and prospective suitors.

      Personally, I like women who are smart, interesting, dynamic, direct and independent. Being easy on the eyes is just a bonus. I was very lucky meeting my wife, Sue, (who died in 2006) but being *that* lucky again is improbable... (Someday, I might start dating again and find out.)

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    56. Re:this is like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > if you're a model you can get all the sex you want.

      Yes, but Adam Levine's schedule is pretty full.

    57. Re: this is like by ahabswhale · · Score: 1

      Already exists...it's called vudu. Their video quality is far superior to netflix.

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    58. Re: this is like by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      I'll consider it as long as the "cost more" aspect is money that I pay and not ads that I watch. My time is valuable. 15 minutes of my time is worth more to me than you're getting from advertisers, so I'm probably willing to pay you directly more than you're getting from them.

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    59. Re: this is like by kharchenko · · Score: 1

      Sure. But you need a Facebook account to send Netflix any feedback _after_ you've logged into your Netflix account.

    60. Re: this is like by martin-boundary · · Score: 1
      The boundaries or human knowledge are easy to see if you're educated, and vague otherwise. The algorithm for identifying the boundary is therefore: 1) learn everything everyone knows about the subject. This takes about 7 - 14 years. 2) If after 1), you don't know the answer and you know or suspect that everyone else doesn't know the answer, then it's on the other side.

      It's not rocket science, lots of people go through 1) and 2).

  3. Well, it is from the bring-your-D+-game dept. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    14 errors in font-awesome.css, over 50 errors in application.css, "Expected media feature name but found 'touch-enabled'" I don't even know what that means, but it came up a dozen times, downloadable font format unrecognized, another 50 errors in providers.css...

    1. Re:Well, it is from the bring-your-D+-game dept. by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, you'd think with all those "A" players they could design a mobile interface that actually worked well instead of sucking.

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    2. Re:Well, it is from the bring-your-D+-game dept. by ThePhilips · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And that basically outlines the problems with the "A" players: they are poor team players and they do not like routine mundane work.

      Developing a skeleton of the application might be the task suitable for the "A" players. But the rest of it, making it really working for everybody, is very often "too easy" and "boring" for them.

      Corollary. From the start on, the "A" players deem many design solutions as not feasible, because they entail lots of routine mundane work which they are unwilling to accept.

      But then, Netflix doesn't do anything particularly sophisticated, so the strategy might seem to work. But in a nutshell, they are simply throwing money around.

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    3. Re:Well, it is from the bring-your-D+-game dept. by citizenr · · Score: 1

      those are most likely bugs, but they can also be used as tools for user browser fingerprinting.

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    4. Re:Well, it is from the bring-your-D+-game dept. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The A players that succeed are the ones that can make their 'A' ideas useful.

      My gig is hardware crypto, but it wouldn't be worth anything if I didn't make it work with Five bus interfaces, scan, Dfx, randomized validation, fifteen different clocking schemes and keep ahead of the curve on attack vectors and mitigations. Doing A grade work does not mean you get to be lazy. If I just threw out crypto logic and left it to others to do the plumbing, it would never make it to silicon and I'd be looking for a job.

    5. Re:Well, it is from the bring-your-D+-game dept. by ThePhilips · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My gig is hardware crypto, but it wouldn't be worth anything if I didn't make it work [...]

      Nothing personal.

      Way too often I have seen the following. A cool high-paid consultants comes in, swarmed with managers, lots of buzzwords flying around, and he "makes it work". The "it" being what he/she was hired to do. Shortly after they're gone, the people who work on the system long term find that the "it" works - but the rest of the project is broken, sometimes irreversibly.

      Like a quite recent example. There were (perceived) performance problems with the transaction logic: people wanted more TPS, but the software simply couldn't deliver. Managers have invited cool specialist who "fixed" it in record time of one week. Only later, when customers started complaining about inconsistencies in the DB, people took closer look at what he did. His solution turned out to be to simply bypass the transactions completely (AKA rather run multiple actions in parallel in different transactions). And guess what: the consultant still has a perfect record with the managers. Proper solution was to give the full-time developers time/money to comb the software for performance problems and optimize what's possible to. But that can't be done in a week time. Neither would earn any "glory" since that is a mundane work, not a silver bullet solution where in a week you magically double performance.

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    6. Re:Well, it is from the bring-your-D+-game dept. by tepples · · Score: 2

      "Expected media feature name but found 'touch-enabled'" I don't even know what that means, but it came up a dozen times

      All it really means is that you happen not to be using a browser designed for a touch-screen device. Such a browser isn't aware of the "touch-enabled" feature in CSS media queries.

    7. Re:Well, it is from the bring-your-D+-game dept. by m00sh · · Score: 1

      14 errors in font-awesome.css, over 50 errors in application.css, "Expected media feature name but found 'touch-enabled'" I don't even know what that means, but it came up a dozen times, downloadable font format unrecognized, another 50 errors in providers.css...

      That sideways scrolling thing makes me queasy.

      There has got to be a zillion better ways to do it than that.

      When Netflix has the data mining contest, I thought they were such a cool company. Now they look like a stagnant company.

    8. Re:Well, it is from the bring-your-D+-game dept. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This. Results are what matters.

      I don't employ anyone, but if I did, I can tell you that it doesn't matter to me one bit whether you do the drudge work yourself. If you're responsible for making the project work, and you're willing and able to do to whatever you need to ship, then you're worth your weight in gold.

      If the deadline arrives and you give me a half-finished pile of well-designed code that doesn't do shit, well...

    9. Re:Well, it is from the bring-your-D+-game dept. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      font-awesome.css

      Anyone who puts the word "awesome" in a file/product name should be fired on the spot.

      [Ya, I'm looking at *you* Firefox "Awesome Bar" developers.]

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    10. Re:Well, it is from the bring-your-D+-game dept. by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      Only later, when customers started complaining about inconsistencies in the DB, people took closer look at what he did. His solution turned out to be to simply bypass the transactions completely (AKA rather run multiple actions in parallel in different transactions).

      That's another variation of "I can make it run in record time if it doesn't actually have to work". I've seen it time and time again.

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    11. Re:Well, it is from the bring-your-D+-game dept. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a pretty good thing you don't employ anyone, then. There's a lot more to engineering than just hitting an arbitrary ship date. "Yay, it shipped so we were able to recognize the revenue last quarter instead of this one, but it's got all kinds of bugs that's causing us to lose customers and the engineering staff can't maintain it because they can't figure out what the fuck the code is doing because it's such a mess of spaghetti that all it's lacking is the marinara sauce".

    12. Re:Well, it is from the bring-your-D+-game dept. by JeffAtl · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The A players that succeed are the ones that can make their 'A' ideas useful.

      No, the players that succeed are the ones that can convince their superiors that they are "A players". Most of time it's just knowing how to play office politics rather than actual merit.

    13. Re:Well, it is from the bring-your-D+-game dept. by matthewv789 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You do realize that nobody validates CSS any more, right? Because working CSS is almost never valid, and vice versa (aside from the very simplest and most rudimentary). I doubt many developers validate HTML or XHTML any more either.

    14. Re:Well, it is from the bring-your-D+-game dept. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Skip the product design then, just shank people and steal their wallets. That way quality metrics aren't important.

      Your customer base tends to shrink over time though.

    15. Re: Well, it is from the bring-your-D+-game dept. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem there is that you need to hire A grade project mangers and system architects as well...

    16. Re: Well, it is from the bring-your-D+-game dept. by ThePhilips · · Score: 1

      Well said.

      Good project manager is a rare breed. A company which would allow such person to survive professionally there - even rarer.

      Architects, often ex-developers, either get intoxicated with the power and distanced from the real world or get into the apathy from the mundane and controversial nature of the architectural work.

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    17. Re:Well, it is from the bring-your-D+-game dept. by swillden · · Score: 1

      The A players that succeed are the ones that can make their 'A' ideas useful.

      No, the players that succeed are the ones that can convince their superiors that they are "A players". Most of time it's just knowing how to play office politics rather than actual merit.

      Only if the superiors are the ones doing the performance evaluations. Peers are much harder to fool, especially since you need to fool all of them all of the time.

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    18. Re:Well, it is from the bring-your-D+-game dept. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Counter example - most DBAs don't know shit about performance benchmarking or tuning a database. A knowledgeable database guru can often get 10-20% increases just by tweaking the database config based on looking at the performance counters. More benefits can be easily had by understanding database keys, index, etc, which the average .net code monkey writing crap sql calls has no clue about. So yes, sometimes a hired gun is cost effective, and as you pointed out sometimes they cause problems by not understanding the big picture before making changes.

    19. Re:Well, it is from the bring-your-D+-game dept. by fredrated · · Score: 1

      "Because working CSS is almost never valid, and vice versa"

      What, you mean valid CSS almost never works? That sounds improbable.

    20. Re:Well, it is from the bring-your-D+-game dept. by JeffAtl · · Score: 1

      The game is the same, just with different players. If peers are the ones doing the evaluations (doubtful), a person adept at office politics would thrive. A person with truly exceptional abilities would be at an extreme disadvantage due to other employees feeling threatened by them.

      Netflix is basically mimicking the environment of Survivor.

    21. Re:Well, it is from the bring-your-D+-game dept. by bbsalem · · Score: 1

      AMEN, And that is because the management doesn't often know what actually works. They can't tell. You can show them something that sorta works, but they are not smart enough to really know. They rely on heresay and that is why many projects don't quite work as they should, and it is politics and tact, not skill and merit, that matters to them.

    22. Re:Well, it is from the bring-your-D+-game dept. by matthewv789 · · Score: 1

      It's not improbable. A large amount of CSS in use today, and necessary to achieve the perfectly-reasonable and working results you see on websites, will not pass W3C standard CSS validation without errors. Vendor prefixes, for instance.

    23. Re:Well, it is from the bring-your-D+-game dept. by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't the app trap this out, though? This kind of error belongs in the logs, not in a user message.

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    24. Re:Well, it is from the bring-your-D+-game dept. by tepples · · Score: 1

      This kind of error belongs in the logs

      I'm pretty sure that Anonymous Coward was quoting from the browser's logs.

  4. streaming media firm has opinion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Leaving aside the obvious retort that Patty McCord sounds like she no longer fits, this sort of problem cannot be solved as long as people think they're all such special snowflakes that they don't need no stinkin' union. Work hard enough and you might just win the race to the bottom!

    Anyway, they're just a streaming media company who got in there at the right time. It's not as if they do anything particularly remarkable, so when they talk about hiring "'A' players" they really just mean people who are mewly, pukey and subservient enough to fit the corporate culture. And, as summary notes, this is less about innovation in hiring+firing and more about starting the lobbying machine.

  5. This is genius by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's why Netflix has hands-down THE best offering around. Their streaming service would work in a foxhole on a 50kbps satellite connection.

    1. Re:This is genius by AnttiV · · Score: 4, Funny

      Can we please have a "+100 Sarcasm" mod choice? This needs it.

    2. Re:This is genius by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

      I totally agree. People that complain about this brilliant tactic think the offensive line on a football team make it possible for the real players to shine. I mean why do they even bother hiring linemen. The center does something every once in a while, snap the ball, but the rest are just useless.

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  6. I only work for 'A' Companies ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Qwikster is not one of them.

    But seriously, I don't think this policy is really all that outrageous. If 90% of the country is "unworthy of jobs" as the summary suggests Netflix is implying, there are still about 30 million left ... plenty for NFLX to hire. Even if you restrict that to computer science majors, I'm sure they'll find enough bodies. At companies with lax employment standards, you do sometimes end up with freeloaders that don't pull their weight, but identifying top-talent is not an exact science and people may leave if the environment becomes too toxic (see: IBM).

    It does appear, though, that we are moving toward an economy where employment of people is not necessary. What do to about that, and how to feed those people, is a separate issue (but certainly not Netflix's problem).

    1. Re:I only work for 'A' Companies ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I take that as 90% of the software engineers of the whole country. Adding other restrictions into the equation, they probably have a hiring pool of a few thousand. For fairness, they should employ people on project basis from the beginning, just like the rest of the entertainment industry is doing.

    2. Re:I only work for 'A' Companies ... by torsmo · · Score: 2

      we are moving toward an economy where employment of people is not necessary. What do to about that, and how to feed those people, is a separate issue (but certainly not Netflix's problem).

      It will be when that portion of the populace has no money to pay for their service.

    3. Re:I only work for 'A' Companies ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      plenty for NFLX to hire

      I've had to job-hunt several times in the last couple of years (working short-term contracts), and I noticed a number of companies advertising for "A-list" talent. Their ads ran for years, apparently without being filled.

      My take is that just because you are seeking only "A-list talent" doesn't mean you are the type of "A-list" company that would attract such people.

    4. Re:I only work for 'A' Companies ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't really think it's a problem to try to hire people who actually know what they're doing, but the problem is that a lot of companies try this and fail completely. Anyone who doesn't have a piece of paper is instantly disqualified in many cases (which is patently absurd), and they make no attempts to actually evaluate how skilled and intelligent the prospective employees actually are, instead finding idiotic reasons to throw out people's resumes to save time.

    5. Re:I only work for 'A' Companies ... by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      At companies with lax employment standards, you do sometimes end up with freeloaders that don't pull their weight, but identifying top-talent is not an exact science and people may leave if the environment becomes too toxic (see: IBM).

      Actually some companies intentionally hire cheap D-players, H1B's and other offshored "design center" labor, and put the burden on management to corral this nonsense into a successful company. It's TBD whether this is cheaper than the A-player only team (who will demand top salaries, fancy coffee machines, and 4 weeks of vacation).

      Given that both types of companies are examples of MBA driven cultures, I personally think they both fail equally. Their best hope is to "hang in there" for years at a time.

    6. Re:I only work for 'A' Companies ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My take is that just because you are seeking only "A-list talent" doesn't mean you are the type of "A-list" company that would attract such people.

      Big time. For years Electronic Arts has been bugging me to come work for them. I have the skills to do the work, but I refuse to work for such a scumbag company that treats its employees as they do.

      The bad thing is that these kinds of companies are the ones that go whining to Congress about "there aren't enough qualified employees out there". Yeah, we're out here, but we just don't want to work for *you* until you get your shit together.

  7. One more company by Cornwallis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    on my list of too sleazy to deal with...

  8. This is whats wrong in the USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe you could just ask people why they're no longer "A players" (which is a crap word in itself) or if they're going through a rough patch in the life?
    Work is only 8h to keep you fed, it's not the center of your life. Everyone seeing it different will burn out - and maybe that's what's happening to their former best people. Or they're simply content with their work now because their fondest ideas have been implemented.

    You can't force creativity which is the basis of excellent work and great ideas. You can only create a stable basis and trustful environment, so that ideas will flow and will be discussed in a proper manner.

    Also perpetual competition within your teams and organization does NOT lead to the best results. It leads to fear, sucking up and everyone's self hidden agenda to keep their seat.

    The company's statements are truly the core of what's wrong with the USA and what we in Europe have fought for ages. Still, it's creeping in...

    1. Re:This is whats wrong in the USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Work is only 8h to keep you fed, it's not the center of your life.

      “You are not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your fucking khakis. You're the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world.”

      In other words, without a job, without money in the bank, without a car to drive, without the contents of your wallet, without your fucking khakis, you are crap who doesn't exist. This is what Americans believe.

    2. Re:This is whats wrong in the USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Work is only 8h to keep you fed, it's not the center of your life.

      “You are not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your fucking khakis. You're the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world.”

      In other words, without a job, without money in the bank, without a car to drive, without the contents of your wallet, without your fucking khakis, you are crap who doesn't exist. This is what Americans believe.

      But you're not singing the cute song of what someone is without those things, so is that what your contribution is, to berate us?

      Can we all be special butterflies AND have a functional role in society that doesn't necessarily define us, is that a lot to ask for? I'm a Dad, an IT professional, and I like to read books. I have never in my life had trouble getting along with people on one or two of those points alone, in America. Nobody gives a shit what I do for a living when I bring my kid to the park.

    3. Re:This is whats wrong in the USA by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      Maybe you could just ask people why they're no longer "A players" (which is a crap word in itself) or if they're going through a rough patch in the life?

      I got fired from a job about a week after 9/11. I was being unusually bitchy and short-tempered to my co-workers and (new) manager. I didn't really know why (at the time) and no one bothered to ask; they just fired me. A few days later, I got a call from my friend who worked in one of the twin towers to say he was okay. My mood greatly improved, but I was still unemployed.

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    4. Re:This is whats wrong in the USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to be an A-list player.

      Realized tech development.. perhaps the whole industry is a fool's game..for talent. I moved to management. Now I exploit A-list players all the way to the bank. They burn out, I profit, they move on.

      I look at the sad rows of programmers.. when I go places, working so hard. I used to pity them. Now I have an office and a retirement fund.

      Keep the next generation coming. That's what the real shortage in CS/IT/Engineering is about - the A-list players are starting to realize it's a sucker play.

      Don't let your kids be programmers, or for the love of god, teach them the hustle.

    5. Re:This is whats wrong in the USA by JeffAtl · · Score: 1

      Why did your friend wait so long to let you know that he was ok?

    6. Re:This is whats wrong in the USA by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      Why did your friend wait so long to let you know that he was ok?

      We only talk a few times a year and (I imagine) he had closer people and family to talk to and other more urgent things to do. I had sent him email, but he had been unable to check it. Shit happens, we get by...

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    7. Re:This is whats wrong in the USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The best way to turn A players into B players is to hire C- management.

    8. Re:This is whats wrong in the USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being born and raised in the USA and having worked abroad for over a year I know what you say is right. People in the USA tend to center their lives around their work and it is counter-productive and largely unhealthy in my eyes. I think there is a sort of vacuum created by our extremely homogenous corporate culture and physical distance from other countries that allows certain myths to enforce the status quo, the worst of which is that we are the "wealthiest nation in the world". When I mention to people that the minimum wage in Australia is 2.5x what it is in the USA and that an engineer (in all industries, not just IT) can expect to make about double and work reasonable hours a lot of people just assume that I am lying.

      As I see it, someone who is talented at what they do and worked hard to get there is deserving of respect, including the ability to pursue his/her own interests separate from whatever company they work for. Why would someone who is an "A Player" sacrifice (what should be) their personal time and energy working towards a largely un-fullfiling corporate end? Why is sacrificing ones happiness and health to the alter of commerce seen as a sign of a decent and well-adjusted human being in our culture? I get the need for work, and yes, I believe that it does need to be done (everyone needs to do their part), but it is just that, WORK.

  9. Well, it worked for so many others by pieterh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Netflix isn't the first business to put all the weight on the players while ignoring the game. It doesn't matter how many A players you hire if your organization has deep structural problems. Microsoft would be a prime example.

    In contrast, you can build extremely effective organizations out of ordinary people, if you allow them to organize freely around problems, compete honestly, delegate at will, and so on.

    1. Re:Well, it worked for so many others by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This has been my experience as well. The best teams and companies are those who have a good mix of people, and who know how to utilize talent. For example, I've worked with an old geezer who was rather over the hill as a designer / analyst. A "D" player at best in his assigned role. However he had a ton of knowledge about the company, projects and people, and in some ways he was the department's "memory". He also had good ideas about how to organise teams and company processes, and he was a brilliant coach. He wasn't good at actual management jobs, so... they left him where he was, and where he was perfectly happy. Adding a ton of value to the company on a daily basis. Freely organizing around problems is exactly what he did.

      That's not to say you don't need the right mix of people and skill levels to be successful. A-teams are probably as likely to contain the right mix, and in my experience about as likely to recognize it. Unless of course you stack the deck by saying that your A-team also has an A team lead who knows everything about this, but I've never seen this in practise.

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    2. Re:Well, it worked for so many others by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This sort of thing actually creatures structural and managerial problems. Employees become paranoid, always looking to boost their own image and have a hand in all the successful projects, disowning problems and blaming each other. Anyone else's success is just a threat and chances are the really A players will leave anyway for somewhere with a better work environment and job security.

      Looks like Netflix will be the next Yahoo.

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    3. Re:Well, it worked for so many others by Cederic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. True A players add value above and beyond their specific discipline, and if they're A* players they'll use non-core skills better than most people could use their primary skills.

      "Hire great people" is an expensive employment strategy and possibly overkill for a lot of routine jobs. It can however lead to a very capable, diverse, talented and motivated workforce. All of which you lose if you implement a "Fire specialists" culture shredding policy as you've indicated.

    4. Re:Well, it worked for so many others by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There is nothing wrong with hiring, and retaining, only the "A" players. The problem is that most companies and managers do a poor job of defining who the "A" players are. I will use sports teams as an example. Some ports teams make the mistake of attempting to stock their team with as many players as they can manage who are potential starters. The problem is that many highly talented players only do well when they get sufficient playing time, while other players, who would do poorly if they got a lot of playing time, do very well when they are put in for spot situations. Those "second tier" players are sometime better in certain situations than the guys who excel in every situation. In addition, many "A" players only excel when they are the "star", they are not very good at doing the routine, boring, work that is needed to keep things going.

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    5. Re:Well, it worked for so many others by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This has been my experience as well. The best teams and companies are those who have a good mix of people, and who know how to utilize talent. For example, I've worked with an old geezer who was rather over the hill as a designer / analyst. A "D" player at best in his assigned role. However he had a ton of knowledge about the company, projects and people, and in some ways he was the department's "memory". He also had good ideas about how to organise teams and company processes, and he was a brilliant coach. He wasn't good at actual management jobs, so... they left him where he was, and where he was perfectly happy. Adding a ton of value to the company on a daily basis. Freely organizing around problems is exactly what he did. That's not to say you don't need the right mix of people and skill levels to be successful. A-teams are probably as likely to contain the right mix, and in my experience about as likely to recognize it. Unless of course you stack the deck by saying that your A-team also has an A team lead who knows everything about this, but I've never seen this in practise.

      That's the problem with identifying an A player - defining what is really valuable to the company. Some things are easy to see , such as sales figures, system reliability etc; even if they really don't necessarily measure what you think they measure. Other things, such as the ability to navigate the company's organizational and power structure are equally valuable but much harder to notice; often they are noticed after the fact when it is to late. So in the end, it becomes a bunch of senior executives crowing about how the have the A-Team while they systematically destroy the things that make the organization function well. I pity the fools...

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    6. Re:Well, it worked for so many others by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The number ONE rule in any successful organisation is:
      1. Management must know what it wants and communicate this to the workforce. (is that two points?)

      I have worked in companies that sucked and had brilliant people and in companies that excelled and had pretty sucky people. The difference has been that in the companies that worked well, people knew what they were supposed to do.

    7. Re:Well, it worked for so many others by mysidia · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Netflix isn't the first business to put all the weight on the players while ignoring the game. It doesn't matter how many A players you hire if your organization has deep structural problems. Microsoft would be a prime example.

      You need your managers and official leaders to be "A Players".

      You can't have 100% A-players; it won't scale, and your org will go broke.

      If you have a manager that really thinks they can maintain a staff of only A players in a large company; then the manager is kind of dense (definitely not an A Player)

      The exec managers are the people who definitely must be A players; vital to the success of a company

      Ergo, in that case, the current manager who thinks they can have "Only A Players" should be re-assigned to non-management or dismissed.

    8. Re:Well, it worked for so many others by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Identifying an "A" player in corporate america is easy. Just see who doing the most ass-kissing or fellating, and ta-da!

    9. Re:Well, it worked for so many others by voss · · Score: 4, Interesting

      . "However he had a ton of knowledge about the company, projects and people, and in some ways he was the department's "memory". He also had good ideas about how to organise teams and company processes, and he was a brilliant coach. If that guy is a "D" player you need a new fucking report card.

    10. Re:Well, it worked for so many others by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This has been my experience as well. The best teams and companies are those who have a good mix of people, and who know how to utilize talent. For example, I've worked with an old geezer who was rather over the hill as a designer / analyst. A "D" player at best in his assigned role. However he had a ton of knowledge about the company, projects and people, and in some ways he was the department's "memory". He also had good ideas about how to organise teams and company processes, and he was a brilliant coach. He wasn't good at actual management jobs, so... they left him where he was, and where he was perfectly happy. Adding a ton of value to the company on a daily basis. Freely organizing around problems is exactly what he did.

      My experience from the military is an A leader can make use of anyone, focusing and multiplying the efforts of those under him/her. In the USMC anyway, leadership is something we all wanted to be good at, and examples to learn from were all around us. There was no such thing as a D player, that is a body with a leader not trying hard enough.

      I'm entirely convinced that in the civilian world when a team's hiring practice is 100% "self-motivated rock stars" they are compensating for the lack of ONE good leader. Things are directionless and people look out for themselves. Act shocked and amazed as "Is it resume worthy" becomes the top criteria for project prioritization.

      I get it too, once you have a taste for that, you stop wanting a good leader above you and even make things hard for the one you have, pretty much cementing the status quo. The only coming back from that is finding an excellent leader to snap the reigns. I've heard this called "herding cats", and that never made sense to me until I left the military. Now I see... no shit, when you ASK everyone to look out for themselves, they DO.

    11. Re:Well, it worked for so many others by CODiNE · · Score: 1

      Sounds like the plot to Moneyball.

      Pay millions for narrow speciality A players, or 1/10th for all around good at everything B players.

      The greater overall average wins... In the long run.

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    12. Re:Well, it worked for so many others by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2

      That's the problem with identifying an A player - defining what is really valuable to the company.

      In addition, different things (skills, experience, stamina, etc...) can be more/less valuable at different times or in different situations. Having a good mix of people helps fill any voids in the team and provides some overlap for when things get difficult.

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    13. Re:Well, it worked for so many others by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Those "second tier" players are sometime better in certain situations than the guys who excel in every situation. In addition, many "A" players only excel when they are the "star", they are not very good at doing the routine, boring, work that is needed to keep things going.

      Exactly right. We put men on the Moon with what Netflix would likely deem "mostly B players". Meanwhile they can't even figure out how to get off Silverlight on desktops, add parental controls to their Android client, or parse a valid e-mail address on their website. I bet it's because all "that shit is boring" to the self-described "A-listers".

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    14. Re:Well, it worked for so many others by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having only A players and strict guidelines creates a machine that has no slack whatsoever. A machine that does
      not allow any slack will seize up, overheat and die. It happened in the first earth age and it is happening now.

    15. Re:Well, it worked for so many others by JeffAtl · · Score: 1

      Anyone else's success is just a threat and chances are the really A players will leave anyway for somewhere with a better work environment and job security.

      Exactly. It builds a culture were sabotaging projects becomes the most important goal.

    16. Re:Well, it worked for so many others by pieterh · · Score: 1

      Incidentally, it's trivial to know which players to keep. You hire freely, openly. You allow people to self-organize around problems. You reduce the latency of all communications from business through the whole company to development and back. And then you rank people simply by their ability to solve relevant problems, to gain users internally. In a software business, you allow anyone to start a project and you rank people on their value in the supply chain.

      I've written loads about this. http://hintjens.com/blog:73#toc1 would be an example. Build asynchronous lock-free self-organizing structures, and you can add and remove people trivially.

    17. Re:Well, it worked for so many others by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      Do I need to spell it out? "A D player in his assigned role", i.e. a somewhat narrowly defined set of tasks that do not begin to cover his actual day-to-day activities. It's not me that needs a new report card, nor our management (they left him where he was despite being a poor fit for his official job); it's managers like the ones at Netflix that apparently need one since it appears that the narrow, official job description is all that matters to them. That was the whole point of my earlier post.

      You could argue that it would be better to redefine the guy's role, i.e. design the role around the person. But in larger organisations this is pretty much impossible, even a company like Google only do this in exceptional cases.

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    18. Re:Well, it worked for so many others by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      . "However he had a ton of knowledge about the company, projects and people, and in some ways he was the department's "memory". He also had good ideas about how to organise teams and company processes, and he was a brilliant coach. If that guy is a "D" player you need a new fucking report card.

      Read the mis-measure of man. Then realized that fucking report cards don't work.

      Still they are an alluring idea, which people keep trying to reach for because the real issues are too hard to tackle. How does a support team really add to the company's profits? The math could be done, but people don't bother. They say "support should be 12% of revenue" or some other "industry benchmark" and the department that's running at 10% is hailed as a hero while the department running at 14% is shamed, regardless of the actual contribution to profit, or the demands of the operational environment.

  10. thanks; saved me some money by dltaylor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I was going to try out Netflix right after the post-Christmas AV rebuild. Not now, though. I was fine with the A-only, but the "we can't (be bothered to) to find (or pay) local talent" is more than enough to offset that.

    1. Re:thanks; saved me some money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea, how awful of them to not hire IT-lifer slugs like the majority of the Slashdot userbase.

  11. Bye-Bye, Netflix by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Continuing her Scrooge-worthy tale, McCord adds that firing a once-valuable employee instead of finding another way for her to contribute yielded another aha! moment for Netflix: 'If we wanted only "A" players on our team, we had to be willing to let go of people whose skills no longer fit, no matter how valuable their contributions had once been.'"

    Sounds like the epitome of short-term planning.

    Congratulations, Netflix. Good (or not so) to know you. Really sorry to see you let it go to your head.

    1. Re:Bye-Bye, Netflix by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 2

      "Continuing her Scrooge-worthy tale, McCord adds that firing a once-valuable employee instead of finding another way for her to contribute yielded another aha! moment for Netflix: 'If we wanted only "A" players on our team, we had to be willing to let go of people whose skills no longer fit, no matter how valuable their contributions had once been.'"

      Sounds like the epitome of short-term planning. Congratulations, Netflix. Good (or not so) to know you. Really sorry to see you let it go to your head.

      Of course, if they only truly hire A players then their talent pool will be a worthwhile one for other companies to poach. So unless they find a way to lock in their talent so it can't leave; such as hiring foreign talent under H1B and other visa programs that restrict job mobility. Oh wait...

      You want more H1B's? Fine, but change the rules so after say 6 months they can freely quit if they have another offer? After all, if you pay market wages and offer the type of job that is worth keeping then no one will steal your A players whom you paid a lot of money for their visas, right?

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    2. Re:Bye-Bye, Netflix by ultranova · · Score: 1

      You want more H1B's? Fine, but change the rules so after say 6 months they can freely quit if they have another offer?

      Why after 6 months? Why not immediately? Competition's good, isn't it?

      Of course, if you're offering a legally binding 6-month prior notice of termination under all circumstances to your employees, then fair's fair.

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    3. Re:Bye-Bye, Netflix by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      You want more H1B's? Fine, but change the rules so after say 6 months they can freely quit if they have another offer?

      Why after 6 months? Why not immediately? Competition's good, isn't it?

      Of course, if you're offering a legally binding 6-month prior notice of termination under all circumstances to your employees, then fair's fair.

      While I am all in favor of competition I think it is reasonable to have some legally binding period where people can't jump ship simply to avoid situations where X does all the paperwork and pays the fees only to have the person immediately jump to Y when the visa comes through. In the end, I would change the economics of the visa so employers take on more risk and are forced to decide if it is really worth it to hire H1B's or find other sources of the talent they need. If they really are paying prevailing wages then this change should be a no brainer.

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    4. Re:Bye-Bye, Netflix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You want more H1B's? Fine, but change the rules so after say 6 months they can freely quit if they have another offer?

      Why after 6 months? Why not immediately? Competition's good, isn't it?

      Of course, if you're offering a legally binding 6-month prior notice of termination under all circumstances to your employees, then fair's fair.

      While I am all in favor of competition I think it is reasonable to have some legally binding period where people can't jump ship simply to avoid situations where X does all the paperwork and pays the fees only to have the person immediately jump to Y when the visa comes through. In the end, I would change the economics of the visa so employers take on more risk and are forced to decide if it is really worth it to hire H1B's or find other sources of the talent they need. If they really are paying prevailing wages then this change should be a no brainer.

      So you probably also think it is reasonable to have some legally binding period where companies can't dump an employee. That would make you almost unique among H1B supporters...

    5. Re:Bye-Bye, Netflix by matthewv789 · · Score: 1

      Of course, if they only truly hire A players then their talent pool will be a worthwhile one for other companies to poach. So unless they find a way to lock in their talent so it can't leave.

      The have an answer for that: Their approach is to pay every employee the amount they would be willing to pay to keep that employee from leaving for a better offer. They don't wait for an employee to threaten to leave to pay that much; they give large raises to keep pay at that market rate. As a result, Netflix pay is way above average. But they also try to maximize the value of that level of pay by evaluating whether each employee is really worth that... and by adjusting pay DOWNWARD (or just letting them go) if their performance no longer matches that level of compensation.

      I'm not saying such an environment is for everyone (and they're very open about it to prospective employees), but they have chosen a particular approach that has its pros and cons, and I'm glad it exists somewhere at least to demonstrate whether it works. From Netflix's continued success at being extremely competitive operations-wise and continuing to innovate even as it grows, I'd say it's working in that respect. Whether it's the only approach that works, or if other approaches that also work have fewer downsides, I really don't know.

    6. Re:Bye-Bye, Netflix by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      You want more H1B's? Fine, but change the rules so after say 6 months they can freely quit if they have another offer?

      Why after 6 months? Why not immediately? Competition's good, isn't it?

      Of course, if you're offering a legally binding 6-month prior notice of termination under all circumstances to your employees, then fair's fair.

      While I am all in favor of competition I think it is reasonable to have some legally binding period where people can't jump ship simply to avoid situations where X does all the paperwork and pays the fees only to have the person immediately jump to Y when the visa comes through. In the end, I would change the economics of the visa so employers take on more risk and are forced to decide if it is really worth it to hire H1B's or find other sources of the talent they need. If they really are paying prevailing wages then this change should be a no brainer.

      So you probably also think it is reasonable to have some legally binding period where companies can't dump an employee. That would make you almost unique among H1B supporters...

      Certainly - for the same period the employee is bound; with the caveat either side is released form the contract in the event the other grossly misrepresented themselves of did something illegal.

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    7. Re:Bye-Bye, Netflix by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      Of course, if they only truly hire A players then their talent pool will be a worthwhile one for other companies to poach. So unless they find a way to lock in their talent so it can't leave.

      The have an answer for that: Their approach is to pay every employee the amount they would be willing to pay to keep that employee from leaving for a better offer. They don't wait for an employee to threaten to leave to pay that much; they give large raises to keep pay at that market rate. As a result, Netflix pay is way above average. But they also try to maximize the value of that level of pay by evaluating whether each employee is really worth that... and by adjusting pay DOWNWARD (or just letting them go) if their performance no longer matches that level of compensation.

      True, paying at the top of market pay scales will keep employees but then you've also increased your expenses so their productivity must match the extra costs. That's what Netflix is trying to do; and so far seems to succeed.

      I'm not saying such an environment is for everyone (and they're very open about it to prospective employees), but they have chosen a particular approach that has its pros and cons, and I'm glad it exists somewhere at least to demonstrate whether it works. From Netflix's continued success at being extremely competitive operations-wise and continuing to innovate even as it grows, I'd say it's working in that respect. Whether it's the only approach that works, or if other approaches that also work have fewer downsides, I really don't know.

      True, they certainly have the right to compensate as they see fit. Time will tell if their model is sustainable or superior to others.

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  12. Does this apply at all levels ? by Alain+Williams · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Ie does it also apply to the top level of management, or does it only apply to lower level, dispensible, minions ?

    1. Re:Does this apply at all levels ? by ajdlinux · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, "ex-Chief Talent Officer Patty McCord"...

    2. Re:Does this apply at all levels ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This won't happen because shes friends with the owner. Shes not going anywhere but I do believe netflix is going to take a hard hit pretty soon.
      I know Patty personally and this arrogant attitude seems a little much for someone who got lucky getting this job. She was nothing before it.
      Look into her qualifications if you don't believe me.

    3. Re:Does this apply at all levels ? by fldsofglry · · Score: 1

      according to the article, it doesn't apply to the hourly workers in the warehouse and the like...

  13. 'A' Players Make a Lot of Questionable Decisions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Netflix has sure made some foolish decisions for a company consisting of solely 'A' players. Why did they choose VC-1 for video compression, when H.264 is better in most measurable ways (including device compatibility, image quality at a given bitrate, etc.)? Why did they announce separate disc / streaming services (Quickster), and then immediately backtrack? And the reason Reed Hastings gave for the backtrack was, “It is clear that for many of our members two websites would make things more difficult, so we are going to keep Netflix as one place to go for streaming and DVDs.” How in the flying fuck did the A-Team manage to not figure that out in the first place?

    I understand that even the best people aren't perfect, but it just doesn't add up. It seems like the mistakes they have made are simply too avoidable for them to be hiring only the "best of the best."

  14. HR industry is destroying the workforce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If 90% of a country's population is deemed unworthy of jobs, the country is doomed. A nation does not survive by allowing its talent to be wasted, and Netflix's philosophy is treasonous.

    The best thing people can do to help America die is to sit idle and watch Netflix.

    1. Re:HR industry is destroying the workforce by Martin+Blank · · Score: 2

      At my last job, I participated heavily in the interviewing process. We had a certain perspective and requirements, and would often sift through 50+ resumes to interview perhaps 10 people to pick one person. That suggests that we were looking for the top 10% or top 2%, depending on your perspective. The only difference with Netflix is that they keep that evaluation going. I kind of wish we'd done that where I was and cut some people when it was clear they weren't pulling their weight.

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    2. Re:HR industry is destroying the workforce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It suggests you were looking, out of those who wanted to work for you AND saw themselves as able to comply with your candidate requirements, for those people who best fitted you.

      Again, that doesn't mean they're objectively the best at everything - it means they're subjectively the best fit for you.

    3. Re:HR industry is destroying the workforce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nothing in the article is a surprise. Companies expect that you will "act like and adult" and "put the best interests of the company" first. However, as soon as you are not "in the best interests of the company" you are fired. Every company is this way. Many have created long tortuous processes for eliminating unwanted employees. I'd prefer a fantastic severance package to a year of false hope and tortuous "improvement plans" leading to dismissal with cause. Last time I was laid off I got an honest appraisal from the CEO - who admitted frankly that he just did have a spot in the company for my skill set. He gave me a generous severance package, called it a lay off so I could claim unemployment and I found that I was very happy to leave that job. I took that situation and ran with it. Now I have a much better job that matches my skill set and I'm much more satisfied.

    4. Re:HR industry is destroying the workforce by qwijibo · · Score: 1

      Considering that most companies these days hire contractors, almost exclusively, it really should be easier to replace the ones who don't pull their weight.

      Unfortunately, this is where policies and politics screw up the whole point of hiring contractors. Once a butt is in a chair, I've gotten answers ranging from "no, we would risk losing the headcount" to managers who are reluctant to hurt anyone's feelings. Only in cases of outright fraud (person who showed up isn't the one we interviewed - the risk of phone-only interviews) could we get someone kicked out the door. I recently had to deal with someone who was going out of his way to sabotage the project to create more work for himself, but we had to wait for him to leave on his own. When it comes to firing people, many think about the feelings of the one who needs to go, and completely ignore the feelings of everyone else who is left behind to clean up after their retarded incompetence. Nothing demoralizes better than forcing everyone to work with the lowest common denominator.

      There's nothing wrong with having high standards. Most people who apply for any job are totally unqualified. That doesn't mean that there isn't place for those people, just that they're not right for particular roles right now. Some people will go their whole career never being able to be that A player in anything they do. Others need to hone their skills so they can become that person in a future role, which means working in less senior roles to get that experience.

      Unfortunately, not all companies recognize the value of mentoring people to become those future high performers. This is the danger of the short term/right now frame of thought prevalent in many US companies. Will our kids have the same opportunities as they grow up that we did? If all of the entry level jobs leave, who will be the only applicants for the junior roles that will later lead to the senior engineers and leaders of the future? I'm glad the company I work for is actually looking at developing recent college graduates as an investment in our collective future.

    5. Re:HR industry is destroying the workforce by trimbo · · Score: 1

      You can do this (most companies do). Just do it with a PIP, not surprise them one day by walking them out the door with no prior feedback.

    6. Re:HR industry is destroying the workforce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If 90% of a country's population is deemed unworthy of jobs, the country is doomed. A nation does not survive by allowing its talent to be wasted, and Netflix's philosophy is treasonous.

      That's the reason they call it Human Resources now, instead of "Personnel Department". A resource is something to be exploited ruthlessly, drained of all economic value, then the instant it is no longer generating the amount of profit wanted it is tossed aside and forgotten immediately. This is the way American companies treat their employees.

      The best thing people can do to help America die is to sit idle and watch Netflix.

      Another thing to do is to give your entertainment dollars (what few any of us have left) to non-American sources. And any other purchases as are possible. Remember the "Buy American" campaigns? These days I go out of my way to purchase as many items as possible from non-American companies. My country doesn't care about me, my countries' companies don't want to employ me; why should I support them in any way whatsoever?

    7. Re:HR industry is destroying the workforce by buddyglass · · Score: 1

      If 90% of a country's population is deemed unworthy of jobs, the country is doomed.

      This sounds like a great reason to let more people immigrate to the U.S. and become citizens who are worthy of jobs. The way Canada and Australia are doing it, basically.

    8. Re:HR industry is destroying the workforce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with that is you still have the original citizens, and you can't get rid of them (unless you're more draconian than I imagine), which leaves you with them to deal with, which means additional costs if you don't even try to give them some productive activity to engage in.

      Not that Netflix is necessarily thinking in the way of covering all citizens, I'm sure they're thinking is that they just want the best for their jobs, and even those they reject may be good for OTHER jobs.

      But there's ramifications to the theories behind it that end up being more repugnant than the surface realization.

    9. Re:HR industry is destroying the workforce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Contractors are rarely as invested in the work they do as full time employees. They should be used for what they are. Temporary workers are for the non essential or special, one time project. All processes essential to the functioning of the company should be staffed by full time people.

      Despite all PR bullshit, most companies view employees as a cost rather than an asset.

      Compensation in IT is also geared towards average workers. HR wants to hire A players by paying B level money. Sometimes they do get lucky and they can get good people but most of the time they get what they pay for or worse. Netflix is partially right though. Get the best people you can afford. Given that A player can outperform at least two B players and that price premium for A people is tiny it is ridiculous that HR didn't figure it out yet that it is cheaper to hire and retain A players. You don't need to pay millions of dollars to get marginally better players like in sports. You can get much better people for 10-20% extra.

      In general, we don't have an IT problem in this country, we have an HR and management problem. All perceived problems in IT in each company can be tracked down to either HR or management policies of that company. The IT problems are the signs of unhealthy and dysfunctional company. The company might be still profitable and look great from the outside but this disease will bring it down.

      Another thing to consider is that average people are likely to produce average work. In order for the company to be very successful it needs to create outstanding products. Products that people will rave about. For that, you need to have your outstanding people handling essential business process. Average is not good enough here.

    10. Re:HR industry is destroying the workforce by buddyglass · · Score: 1

      We can imagine the current U.S. citizenry falling on a bell curve in terms of productivity. Let's say the median person a "100". The question is this: does bringing in a bunch of 130+ folks from abroad help or hurt the median citizen? Bringing in the 130+ guys will for sure raise the average productivity of the workforce. The 100 guy might be displaced by a 110 guy who was displaced by a 120 guy who was displaced by one of the incoming 130 guys. The 100 guy will take a job formerly held by a 90 guy. So on and so forth. This then argues for the necessity of economic / tax policy designed to create a way for lower-tier folks to do "something" to earn a paycheck and be productive in some form or fashion. Admittedly the current situation in the U.S. isn't very good in this regard.

    11. Re:HR industry is destroying the workforce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We already have more people than we really have a use for, if we really think about it.

      This -- http://fredoneverything.net/IronLaw.shtml -- pretty much says it, I think.

      Bringing in more immigrants just means more people on the government teat, for which more immigrants must pay more taxes, and the whole thing becomes a self-reinforcing vicious circle with more and more dire consequences.

      How long is it until we start the death tournaments, a la Hunger Games, to rid the excess population?

      Long term, we are only going to be a viable country if we can gather the sack to solve the problem of excess population at the low end of the value spectrum.

    12. Re:HR industry is destroying the workforce by BonThomme · · Score: 1

      Yes! Send me a new George Gardenhyer, but make him a little less uppity.

  15. Interview test by Air-conditioned+cowh · · Score: 1

    I bet the interview includes this test.

  16. Only good can come out of this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sounds like a great place to work in, when, no matter how much blood you've spilled to get the latest and greatest out the door, you can get let go the very next minute you need to cut back a little to recuperate.

    Remember kids: These kinds of people aren't interested in what you've learned or from your experience, not even from within the same company. Why? Because THEY are incompetent, and thus incapable of valuing experience, competence and knowledge. Also, they want to destroy your country for profit.

    Psychopaths tend to view life as a game. And to be grossly incompetent. Thus the need to create scapegoats out of their own failings, instead of to ensuring ownership, bringing stakeholders together, make plans together and create organic and agile processes to ensure value.

    Captcha: salesmen

  17. Nasty, but true by Antonovich · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most or all of the people on /. would have to agree with this, at least on some level. I may not, myself, be an A-player but I know that working with them is an absolute pleasure. Worth far more than free lunches or pinball machines. I'm talking about the kind of people that you are constantly learning from - new ideas, new approaches, excitement and passion for what they are doing. I firmly believe that a good (A-player) techie is worth at least 3 average ones, and possibly worth an infinity of them.

    What is an A-player though? How do you know one without working with them for a decent period? Do they have to have people skills or are they just a bonus? Do they have to have interests outside tech or are they just a bonus? I also think that the notion of an A-player is actually pretty nebulous, and overall company culture has a lot to do with whether someone will be an A-player or not in any given environment. I was offered the CTO position in a small company I worked in for several years but ended up not taking it for a variety of reasons, one of the main ones being that it would have been impossible to get rid of the D, E and even F players, due to both corporate culture and local employment laws. I am fairly certain the company will eventually die because of the lack of innovation coming out of it, and I think that is because most of the dead wood is taking salaries without contributing anything really valuable back. Then everyone will lose their job...

    1. Re:Nasty, but true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think that the idea of ranking people on a line is meaningless, primitive penis-waving.

      There is simply no such thing as an "A player", "C player" or "F player". Different people bring in different ingredients to an organisation. As Einstein said, if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it'll spend its life thinking it's thick - the flip side is that if you judge a monkey by its ability to climb a tree, it'll spend its life thinking it's a genius. An organisation needs swimmers and it needs climbers. A good coder can make for a mediocre architect, and vice versa. The marketing department would have a tough time with a command line, but you put the best software project manager in marketing and they produce laughable, amateurish crap (no matter how great they think it is). This reflects not just experience but a variation in underlying abilities.

      I've found lots of people a pleasure to work with, and in each case they've had a different skill, but in every case they're honest and co-operative. Indeed, a skilled person without ethical values is more detrimental to an organisation than an ethical person without skills - it's much easier to teach skills than values - though a good employee must have both.

    2. Re:Nasty, but true by npetrov · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There is such a thing as "A player", "B player" "C player" and so on. Some people are simply much more productive at the same tasks and coincidentally have other extracurricular tasks which are a superset of "lower level" players. As the parent noted an A player is easily worth 3-4 B or C players. And he has the same productivity difference as well.

    3. Re:Nasty, but true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, if you're trying to hire a dozed Bill Joys, good luck to you. Let me know how you succeeded.

    4. Re:Nasty, but true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The "A" player in one field will be a "D" player in another. Here's a real life example. Back in the 90's I worked for a company that spun off several divisions as a part of a merger with another large company. I worked for one of the spun off divisions, so I got see managers who had been safely tucked in middle management suddenly responsible for the operations of a "real" company. They hired a consulting firm to help them improve their management systems. The consulting company wandered around a bit, made recommendations, cashed their checks and were gone. Those of us in the company were left to clean up the mess the consultants created. First recommendation was to reduce the support staff - get rid of the clerks who did the grunt work of purchasing and receiving materials, supplies, and so forth. Have the people who manage each area of the facility order and maintain their own supplies. In order to make that system work, every employee responsible for an area was issued a credit card, and then given a two hour training on what was expected. So, we had engineers and scientists who order equipment, parts, supplies, etc., ordering those not by putting together a purchase requisition getting approval and submitting it to the purchasing department, who would order the stuff, but by getting on the phone with a vender and ordering the stuff. Then when the stuff arrives, the engineer or scientist would have to be the receiving clerk and get the package from the delivery station, get the packing list from the box and keep that along with a list of what was ordered, to reconcile with the credit card statement. For a company whose engineers and scientists were already working 45 hours a week making products, the additional work load proved problematic. Chasing paper receipts and invoices and reconciling invoices to those receipts and turning them in to accounting on a specific schedule is time consuming. Not to mention something that none of the scientist or engineers wanted to do. So while we had a lot of "A" scientists and engineers they made "D" grade clerks and accountants. The system did not really save the company money as it damaged their ability to retain anyone who could get a job elsewhere and reduced the productivity of their A level engineers and scientists, not to mention the fact that the new clerks were now vastly over paid and horrible at their jobs.

    5. Re:Nasty, but true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Some people seem better than others at specific tasks at a specific moment in time, but that doesn't make them clearly more or less valuable as an employee. Effective training (in no small part a continual stream of good advice from colleagues) and management are far more important to productivity than selection of person. Everyone likes to think they're a special flower with something that few other people have, but the whole superman / manifest destiny thing is as laughable then as it was a century plus ago.

      As for "much more" - absolutely not. I am great at knocking something up in a few hours and amazing people who thought it was going to take weeks. But I have to accompany that sort of thing with a disclaimer that it's prototyping, not engineering: for any product worth using is written for robustness, maintenance and extensibility, and accompanied by excellent documentation. My super-productivity trick won't include any of this - and the Rock Stars are invariably those people who do the same thing but won't admit to the corners they're cutting.

      It's not important to be the fastest, despite what all the primitive metrics suggest - it's most important to do the best job.

      tl;dr I've played the "A player" game, and it's easy bullshittery. It's being able to give all the right answers at the right times, and knowing that I don't have to do anything except tick the boxes. Now I'm what to a dullard would regard as a "C player", but churning out much better products.

    6. Re:Nasty, but true by mysidia · · Score: 1

      I'm talking about the kind of people that you are constantly learning from - new ideas, new approaches, excitement and passion for what they are doing. I firmly believe that a good (A-player) techie is worth at least 3 average ones

      I think you have totally confused a certain personality type, with a certain quality of worker.

      There are people who frequently express new ideas, excitement, passion, and are constantly overtly enthusiastic. It is orthogonal to the quality of the work, in actually doing their job though -- in many cases.

      The proper jobs for these folks are in sales, strategy, or marketing.

      Depending on your own personality; these people are either a pleasure to work with, or a real annoyance to work with.....

    7. Re:Nasty, but true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because a goalie, defender, midfielder, wing and striker have entirely different roles, there's clearly "A level" and "C level" players when you've put everyone where they might do the most good. Replace with quarter back, full back, running back and kicker if you're American. If you have lots of good players on the field and one poor player (2nd replacement due to double injury, for example) the others will try to avoid plays that puts that player in any critical capacity, even if it'd arguably be the best play. One bad apple tends to make the whole team's performance rotten so you try limiting the damage. If you've ever seen a team that delivers outstanding performance because they know the mix is right and everyone on the team is capable of delivering an "A level" play, you'd understand what a manager's wet dream is. Instead managers are looking for the magic process to make "C level" employees deliver a "B level" product, but you can only get that much quality from mediocrity.

    8. Re:Nasty, but true by axlash · · Score: 1

      I think that the problem is that Netflix is making the assumption that "A" player + "A" player + "A" player + "A" player = "A" team.

      Unfortunately, it often doesn't work that way.

      --
      Deal with reality - the world as it is - rather than ideality - the world as you would like it to be.
    9. Re:Nasty, but true by Your.Master · · Score: 1

      The fact is:

      - Yes, value is not a single attribute but a collection of attributes
      - But there is still clearly such a thing as a D player who is just bad at all things relevant to an organization, and players that are actually useful to an organization, and you can sort of summarize this by talking about A players in the abstract.
      - There is also such a thing as a person who is significantly more productive in their job capacity as most of their peers. It just happens. Doesn't really matter whether you excuse it by saying they have no social life and their hygiene means they'll never have a family.

      It's kind of like how you can have an A student even though academically they'll get marks in many different subjects and they may get a C in gym or English or math, and you can have a C student even though they absolutely nail art class.

    10. Re:Nasty, but true by ApplePy · · Score: 1

      Actually, "A Team" = Hannibal + Face + ....

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      That I'm right, and you don't like it, doesn't mean I'm a troll.
    11. Re:Nasty, but true by BonThomme · · Score: 1

      well, they don't call it the "C-Suite" for nothing...

    12. Re:Nasty, but true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is such a thing as "A player", "B player" "C player" and so on. Some people are simply much more productive at the same tasks and coincidentally have other extracurricular tasks which are a superset of "lower level" players. As the parent noted an A player is easily worth 3-4 B or C players. And he has the same productivity difference as well.

      Bullshit. Especially bullshit when you take into account that you haven't even approached the task at hand. Even if you know the task at hand, it's still bullshit as the task may be more easily handled by a different approach than the one envisioned. In short, you have to assume so much for your statement to be true, that you are talking about la-la land. The real world is more complex.

  18. Re: So easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This the formula to became a European Country or a Venezuela.

  19. Didn't GE have a similar management philosophy? by swb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For some reason, I think GE had a similar management philosophy tied to the process improvement system Six Sigma. I think the idea was that you fired the bottom 10%(?) of your work force every year, regardless of their absolute performance.

    I can't see how this or any other similar system is sustainable, though. There are a lot of transaction costs with hiring new employees; at some point the overall cost of termination and hiring will exceed the differential value of a better employee.

    You probably can't do this without statistics and it's not hard to see management and employees quickly learning to work towards statistics rather than results, as well as eliminating creative risk taking. Look at business as an example -- Wall Street is the ultimate version of this and corporations have devoted a lot of time and energy into managing to Wall Street numbers instead of other, longer-term goals that don't deliver the "numbers" in the expected timeline.

    I would also think a culture like this would become quite ruthless and unpleasant, with "getting rid of people" becoming a goal and kill a lot of organizational enthusiasm if you spent a lot of time worrying about being gotten rid of.

    On the other hand, they are probably trying to deal with real problems -- people who are just good enough to not get fired, and people who "rest on their laurels" after some accomplishment and stop contributing in a meaningful way, although management is often complicit in this by promoting people into mediocrity.

    1. Re:Didn't GE have a similar management philosophy? by dbIII · · Score: 3, Interesting

      people who are just good enough to not get fired

      You swap that problem with people who are actively working on not being fired (eg. spending a lot of time on attention seeking behaviour) instead of whatever job they are supposed to do. I've seen that and it was a horrible environment full of backstabbing and arse kissing with a vast amount of time spent on meetings where the only purpose was to be noticed by as high a level of manager as could be dragged to them.

    2. Re:Didn't GE have a similar management philosophy? by Bearhouse · · Score: 1

      Nope. I did a load of work with GE as a consultant and nothing in Six Sigma was related to firing bottom 10%. That was more in the earlier days when Jack W fired a bunch of people. Some parts of GE, like Capital, were like that, but the industrial and medical divisions were pretty OK on the people management.

    3. Re:Didn't GE have a similar management philosophy? by jafac · · Score: 2

      "Rank and yank" really has NOTHING to do with Six Sigma. The two (separate) practices just seem to occur together, frequently, in large organizations. Six Sigma is about complicated processes, and does require workers who have been "indoctrinated", and who care to learn about more than their basic job. It's more skill-demanding, on employees. But more often, it's used as a buzzword-bandaid on a broken corporate culture. (as is "rank and yank"). Six Sigma is not for all organizations, but it CAN be done in a way that works. It's not a universally horrible and stupid practice like "rank and yank".

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  20. Can you run a Tech Company on Grade A folks only? by Calibax · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Here's the problem. Grade A people expect to do grade A work. In almost every organization there is a ton of work that doesn't fit into this category but still needs attention. Code gets old and has to be updated, and there's a ton of work that doesn't require the brightest and best but still has to be done.

    Now the grade A people don't want to know that. They want to work on the sexy new stuff that makes them look like the superstars they are. They might put up with maintenance coding for a while, but they won't stay there. They will want to move to better things, and if they can't they will move to another company - and because they are grade A, they can do that with relative ease.

    Google used to have the same issue with a grade A requirement, and they found that products stayed in beta for years as a result of engineers moving on when the interesting parts of the code was done. They even had to cancel some products because they couldn't get engineering resources that wanted to work on them. So they lowered their standards a little and things improved somewhat.

    By the way, I'm not knocking maintenance programming - that's often difficult work. Maintenance guys have to come up to speed quickly on systems they never wrote and then make the code do things it was never designed to do, and finish it in an impossible short deadline, because it's "only" maintenance. But it's not sexy enough for most grade A folks.

  21. I'm not worried. by Azure+Flash · · Score: 2

    What's there to be worried about? If you make wise decisions despite ambiguity, identify root causes, think strategically, smartly prioritize, perfectly understand others, speak and write in an articulate yet concise fashion, treat people with unfaltering respect no matter what, never lose your calm, accomplish amazing amounts of important work consistently, somehow focus on great results without thinking about how to do so, are fluent in meaningless buzzwords, learn rapidly and eagerly, know everything and can do everything, understand all about marketing, innovate, quickly find simple and cheap solutions to extremely hard and complex problems, take risks, make tough decisions, emit controversial opinions and criticize other people's bad behaviour without offending anyone or ever failing, inspire others, care deeply about your employer's success, [...], and you take time to help your colleagues and share information openly and proactively, then you'll have no problem.

    Netflix have listed all of their criteria for being an A-player, you just have to follow that. What's so hard about that?

    1. Re:I'm not worried. by Azure+Flash · · Score: 2

      Oh, and here's the obligatory Onion video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyViKby7lX8

    2. Re:I'm not worried. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You missed a few requirements:

      * Work for a salary at or below the median new entry-level hire's salary
      * Work long hours without additional pay, and take on many extra assignments above and beyond your job description
      * Successful flawless completion of all assignments

  22. As a non-American... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let me ask this burning question: WTF IS AN A-PLAYER????

    Maybe one who is part of the A-Team?
    Maybe one who wears A-Style clothes?

  23. From experience at MSFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think the key is that being good at management is squishy and managers evaluating managers shoots for mediocre at best. Microsoft is full of politics because politics is all that managers can see in each other. They kill off an insane amount of decent to great projects and lose a ton of awesome people through politics. I was on an awesome startup team that was making traction and we got put under another manager that was trying desperately to have excuses why his team was 3 years late. If anyone with any authority would have spent more than a few hours looking at their branch the whole team would have been out the door, instead he got the go ahead to seek our teams 'help' and merge us under him. So my team was made to fit into where they wanted with a 'new design' that was made by the same team and we had no say, which meant we all had to find another team quick or leave Microsoft. Half the v- were chopped instantly too even though they were great.

    I am pretty sure that Netflix is not taking this attitude to the top as Hastings has messed up plenty of times and their strategy is complete crap. So why didn't they fire him and everyone that messed up the Stars negotiation?

  24. Re:'A' Players Make a Lot of Questionable Decision by Martin+Blank · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think the choice of VC-1 came because it was supported by Silverlight while H.264 was limited if present at all. VC-1 is also the protocol of choice for Blu-Ray, and the time saved simply copying the files instead of moving them to H.264 may be significant.

    They're the largest in their field and have little real competition, so they must be doing something right. They're also in the process of moving away from Silverlight, provide a primary source of more bandwidth across the Internet than perhaps any other single company (not counting CDNs like Akamai), and maintain a customer satisfaction rate that is the envy of most of the entertainment industry. The executives may need to be smacked around a little, but it's hard to argue that the company as a whole has many serious problems.

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  25. Had an "A player" right here by dbIII · · Score: 1

    Had an "A player" right here. Cut corners everywhere so he'd finish quickly to look like a miracle worker, found other people to blame when the inevitable problems arose from that, then fucked off to a high paying contract in Saudi Arabia before it was obvious to everyone that he wasn't pulling his weight. People who present well and tick all the boxes can sometimes be too good to be true.

    1. Re:Had an "A player" right here by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I think it means somebody on the lowest level of professional baseball team. A, AA, AAA, Major League

    2. Re:Had an "A player" right here by buddyglass · · Score: 1

      Conclusion: you did not, in fact, have an "A player". But you thought you did. Second conclusion: it's not always easy to identify true "A players".

  26. Sorry, I am not helping you with that. by schrall · · Score: 1

    That's it, I'm cancelling my subscription. While I can understand the need to recruit talents, this so- called "HR-culture" is just awful. Where is the human in HR when you deal with your employees that way? Whatever the quality of the service, I will not help a company who think that employees are a commodity. The consequences of a culture of fear are depressions, suicides and broken families. And it is in no way improving the overall quality of the company. The best discoveries and improvements are generally made in enjoyable working environment.

  27. I gave them a fair hearing... by sonamchauhan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From the article:

    The second conversation took place in 2002, a few months after our IPO. Laura, our bookkeeper, was bright, hardworking, and creative. She’d been very important to our early growth, having devised a system for accurately tracking movie rentals so that we could pay the correct royalties. But now, as a public company, we needed CPAs and other fully credentialed, deeply experienced accounting professionals—and Laura had only an associate’s degree from a community college. Despite her work ethic, her track record, and the fact that we all really liked her, her skills were no longer adequate. Some of us talked about jury-rigging a new role for her, but we decided that wouldn’t be right.

    So I sat down with Laura and explained the situation—and said that in light of her spectacular service, we would give her a spectacular severance package. I’d braced myself for tears or histrionics, but Laura reacted well
    [...]

    [Talking about another employee that no longer 'fit']

    Give her a great severance package—which, when she signs the documents, will dramatically reduce (if not eliminate) the chance of a lawsuit.”

    Folks - remember the snippets above in your dealings with any company. This is the nature of the employer-employee contract these days.

    A spectacular severance supposedly balances out any disquiet at 'pump-and-dump' treatment of employees. Of course, "spectacular" may mean they pay $4,000 instead of $2,330.02 legally due - i.e. 200% of something which probably won't get you very far in the first place. And 'extra' documents they have you sign as a quid pro quo, also sign away review rights regarding unfair dismissal, etc.

    Everyone working for someone - and I mean everyone - needs a backup plan to create wealth. Not an MLM - something where you get paid to create actual value. This could be selling cupcakes off your Facebook page, freelancing on guru.com, selling artwork on odesk.com, tutoring math classes, mowing lawns... Even if you make only $10/month, its a skill kept sharp for when you really need to depend on that next arrow in your quiver.

    Before doing this, check your work contract - and speak with your attorney. Many jobs - specially IT roles - have a catchall 'all your efforts/patents/ideas/code belong to us' clause. Even for what you do on your own time and dime. Such clauses may or may not be lawful.

    1. Re:I gave them a fair hearing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The largest and most common problem with modern companies is they provide exactly zero incentive to do things that are good for the organization. The result is a mentality of people putting in somewhere between what they see to be the bare minimum and what they think management see's as adequate.

      Bare minimums are always in decline; getting away with it results in exploring to see where the bottom is. Eventually your productivity reaches a net-negative as does your benefit to an organization, and the cost you induce can outlive, and in some instances end, the company.

      Managers have fairly rigid requirements; Managers Define Objectives which contain as properties an initiating business case and specific objectives. Just about anyone who's properly incentivized with minimal training can accomplish said goals; we put men on the moon with community college degree's. The problem occurs when they begin telling (Not teaching, not coaching, telling) their employee's how to accomplish said objectives; stripping responsibility from your employee's is a sure-fire way to dis-associate them from the work they are doing, resulting in them seeking the bare minimum.

      Any manager that doesn't want their employee's to take full responsibility for their position is usually rent-seeking or has a very broken management model. On occasion these asset-stripping scheme's are bank-run methods of getting company capital back.

      Some requirements are based upon external intervention; any publicly traded company or private company that wants a business loan needs CPA's. Most businesses want MBA's for managers; heaven forbid they hire someone who knows how to actually manage an organization effectively that doesn't have credentialing. A large part of this countries' failure is due to the intervention and meddling of bankers in organizations; monopolization for the sake of ego results in asset stripping scheme's which at their core require employee's to divest themselves in a company. Once bare-minimums become embedded in the culture, the net-result is weaker bare-minimums generation after generation.

      I Give you today's cell-phone toting computer gaming publicly educated youth.

      There's a reason only there are very, very few Passionate IT people; they aren't defined by any one thing, but the guy who came up with NT Password and Registry Changer or the guy who invented Winamp, these are the people hundreds of thousands of people huddle around. They're passionate for the sake of it, and there's many thousands of disillusioned people just like them that could be producing great products if they weren't so disassociated with their work.

      Now that this disassociation from ones work is being instituted in law I expect economic catastrophe just around the corner.

    2. Re:I gave them a fair hearing... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Folks, remember the above post. Yet another comment on something they couldn't know anything about. Pure speculation and drawing conclusions about some evil corporation screwing the worker.

      I have seen this type of thing with a close friend of mine. He was the happiest man alive when he was given his severance package. "Spectacular" was 3/4 of his annual salary plus some of the leave he still had owing. I was in a different position the only time I ever got a "severance package" if you can call it that, but the story is still relevant. I was due to start working for a company in the middle of the GFC and they informed me that the position was no longer viable about 1 month before I was due to start working. As I signed I was legally due 1 weeks wages. I got 6 weeks worth for not even working at the company.

      Contrary to popular belief not every company tries to screw workers. Some may think I'm an optimist. I just think you're jaded.

    3. Re:I gave them a fair hearing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      After 15 years with a large company they decided my knowledge was no longer useful. The exit interview consisted of a smiley face HR individual with a severance check in one hand an a non-compete document in the other. I opted not to sign and they withheld my severance. I laughed at the HR goober - you think I'm going to miss out on going to the competition with what's in my head, what you guys think is useless, for $4600? After taxes that's not one week's salary. So despite her stammering that I wait until she could get her boss to find a solution that would "meet everyone's needs" I walked, right down the block to the competition. We've been eating their lunch ever since. I've gathered all my old customers and most of their contracts. I know their products - I designed many of them - and a lot of the flaws. I drive right by their door every day on my commute, and relish that ever week their parking lot seems just a little more empty.

    4. Re:I gave them a fair hearing... by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Now that this disassociation from ones work is being instituted in law I expect economic catastrophe just around the corner.

      What? Care to elaborate?

    5. Re:I gave them a fair hearing... by Anonymous+Psychopath · · Score: 1

      Someone I'm very close to had worked for her company for 15 years. Changes in the company direction, which may or may not be right for the company, limited the opportunities to grow their career to the point where it was clearly better to seek opportunities elsewhere. The company's needs had changed, and the employee didn't want to fulfill the role they now needed. A severance package was provided, no one walked away entirely happy but no one walked away bitter, either. This is how it's done correctly.

      Addressing the point made above, severance packages are not mandatory, and acceptance of them isn't mandatory either. The entire point is the company wants to indemnify themselves and is providing some kind of value in order to obtain that indemnification. Severance requires agreement from the employer AND the employee. I've known people who refused the severance and preferred to litigate. Sometimes it worked out better for them, sometimes it didn't.

      I've seen a lot of replies today where I hope very much I never, ever have to work with the persons who wrote them.

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    6. Re:I gave them a fair hearing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The second conversation took place in 2002, a few months after our IPO. Laura, our bookkeeper, was bright, hardworking, and creative. She’d been very important to our early growth, having devised a system for accurately tracking movie rentals so that we could pay the correct royalties. But now, as a public company, we needed CPAs and other fully credentialed, deeply experienced accounting professionals...

      Wow, sounds like Laura was a great employee - hardworking, bright, creative - in their own words. And they let her go because she didn't have some piece of paper? Was there no way they could utilize her top level skills and commitment? Maybe they need to look for some "A grade" material to replace their middle management staff...

    7. Re:I gave them a fair hearing... by sonamchauhan · · Score: 1

      Yea, folks. Remember it for whatever reason - just remember it.

      Some may think I'm an optimist. I just think you're jaded.

      This may sound funny to you, but I actually consider myself both fortunate and an optimist. I've worked a decade and a half in my current job, in a country with a good economy, am well paid, am personally at low risk of layoff, and will get about 1/2 year's severance - by law - if laid off.

      But being fortunate does not mean I lose my eyes and ears - I can hear and see what happening. Companies _are_ getting harsher; jobs harder to find and to keep.

      If you think you think you can just work with no backup plan for wealth creation, you're not optimistic, you're naive.

      Good for your friend with the 3/4 salary severance - he was fortunate. And I have a similar anecdote about my friend with similar severance too. But you see, a $30K severance on a $45K pay-packet doesn't last that long. There are some fundamental costs to living (rent, petrol, utilities.) If you can't get a job again soon, that happiness (and money) evaporates. Hence this advice:

      Everyone working for someone - and I mean everyone - needs a backup plan to create wealth. Not an MLM - something where you get paid to create actual value. This could be selling cupcakes off your Facebook page, freelancing on guru.com, selling artwork on odesk.com, tutoring math classes, mowing lawns... Even if you make only $10/month, its a skill kept sharp for when you really need to depend on that next arrow in your quiver.

    8. Re:I gave them a fair hearing... by sonamchauhan · · Score: 1

      Your example is fair enough.

      Addressing the point made above, severance packages are not mandatory, and acceptance of them isn't mandatory either.

      In the US. There, severance isn't just generosity (though it may be); its also an arrangement for the company to 'reach beyond the grave' and prevent you being a true free agent (i.e getting a job with the competition, contacting your company's customers, writing about problems with the company and its products)

      See AC's post here http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4595209&cid=45781805 for another perspective.

      I'm thankful to work in another nation where my severance (close to half my annual salary at this point) is mandatory by law. And I don't have to sign away my rights to get that money.

    9. Re:I gave them a fair hearing... by sonamchauhan · · Score: 1

      Good on you! :D They met their needs, and you met yours.

    10. Re:I gave them a fair hearing... by sonamchauhan · · Score: 1

      Thanks - great post!

      What's the disassociation being put into law about?

    11. Re:I gave them a fair hearing... by sonamchauhan · · Score: 1

      Yes, Laura would be a great hire for any company.

      At the same time, I don't think what Netflix did was evil - all I know is that it wasn't good. And the HBR piece trumpeting such behaviour is just plain silly.

    12. Re:I gave them a fair hearing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perfect! Well done, I'm horrified by some of the shit Netflix did to the people that were key to building their business. What's worse is those sociopaths are boasting about it in a business article as if these dumb tards have a really great system. Well, it just hit Slashdot morons, good luck hiring any 'A' graders now (as if you ever did). Clearly their, "fire the underperformers" doesn't apply to the HR department because that strategy is not a good long term policy and even if it was it's not something you broadcast especially with some of the crass abuses of people who were early employees. Google made some chefs millionaires, Netflix fired and replaced key people in their early business over petty incompatibilities, they have NO interest in growing their staff, they just fire you and replace you if the position changes, it's crazy. In your case HR screwed up royally. Well done going to the competition and taking them to the cleaners.

    13. Re:I gave them a fair hearing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Laura" should have returned and shot the worthless execs in the head.

    14. Re:I gave them a fair hearing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wouldn't an "A" player company help pay for her to get the piece of paper?

  28. Re:'A' Players Make a Lot of Questionable Decision by dbIII · · Score: 1

    Choosing Silverlight based on hollow hype alone is a bit of a symptom IMHO.

  29. Do they offer "A" pay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most companies which want "A" talent seem to offer "C" pay. If anyone offers "A" pay, they'll get "A" people applying.

    1. Re:Do they offer "A" pay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not really. Look at CEO pay and then look at the complete lack of correlation between that "A" level pay and the complete asshattery of their actual performance. A monkey and a dart board could do better. Someone is going to make a MBA thesis on the irrelevance of CEO's and show that companies could save tons of cash by replacing the CEO with a magic 8 ball. Even better would be creating a computer AI that could act as the CEO and make slightly better decisions for way less money.

    2. Re:Do they offer "A" pay? by buddyglass · · Score: 1

      He wasn't talking about CEOs. Are you disputing that companies that offer exorbitant salaries will have an easier time attracting top talent, all else being equal? My experience is that the people who are "really good" often know it and expect to be compensated at a high level. Not unreasonable levels, but in the top part of the range for whatever position they're seeking. If you offer only the median salary and won't budge then this type of candidate will often go elsewhere, unless your company has some fantastic intangibles working in its favor.

    3. Re:Do they offer "A" pay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pay seems to be high, if glassdoor can be believed, but ... the high pay seems to be more of a "risk premium" than an attempt to attract talent, because the turnover seems to be exceptionally high. Your basic "A" player would be taking an insane risk to work for a company where people are burned out and fired, when the same person could get a steady "B"-player job with a more stable, predictable future. Netflix looks like they churn through people very, very fast.

    4. Re:Do they offer "A" pay? by plopez · · Score: 1

      Unless the A player likes challenges and wants a reputation as a turn around artist.

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    5. Re:Do they offer "A" pay? by JeffAtl · · Score: 2

      The risk doesn't seem like it would be worth it since it doesn't seem like Netflix has any reliable way to determine who is an A player. Remember, it doesn't matter if a person truly is an "A player" - it only matters if you can convince your superiors that you are.

      In an environment like this would be full of backstabbing, sabotage and attention whoring. The A players that are already entrenched have most likely survived due to their office politics guile rather than by merit.

      Why would a true A player subject themselves to such an arbitrary and demeaning process?

    6. Re:Do they offer "A" pay? by matthewv789 · · Score: 1

      Yes. Yes they do.

    7. Re:Do they offer "A" pay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BlackBerry (formerly RIM) paid well above average. I know, I work in the region. Look where that got them...

  30. Sahib by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

    s/A/H1B/

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  31. Oh, come on, man by smittyoneeach · · Score: 2

    It's all about da skillz. If you can't measure it, it doesn't exist. MOAR GRAPHS!

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    1. Re:Oh, come on, man by Unkl_Shvelven · · Score: 1

      I love your sig.

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    2. Re:Oh, come on, man by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      That line made the play.

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  32. Re:'A' Players Make a Lot of Questionable Decision by the_other_chewey · · Score: 3, Informative

    I think the choice of VC-1 came because it was supported by Silverlight while H.264 was limited if present at all. VC-1 is also the protocol of choice for Blu-Ray, and the time saved simply copying the files instead of moving them to H.264 may be significant.

    While VC-1 is part of the mandatory codecs in the BluRay standard due to very heavy lobbying by
    Microsoft at the time, I've yet to encounter a single actual disc using it. There are some of them out
    there (it is used a lot by Warner Brothers), but "of choice" VC-1 certainly isn't.

    And copying files from BDs to directly use as streaming sources? With their double-digit megabit
    per second encoding bitrates (the maximum video bitrate alone is 40MBit/s)? Absolutely not.

  33. #2 Regret by CEOs: Hiring the wrong person by retroworks · · Score: 2

    #1 Regret is "Refusing to admit #2". Those 2 old rules (most common regrets of CEOs) take Netflix's Executive a 127 slide show to present. I think slide #21 and slide #25 say that, and are the only relevant slides out of the first 40.

    Then she says some pretty interesting things in slides 45-50 about the way growing companies tend to favor more rules which compromise creative talent, which I find pretty insightful. The "vacation policy" (if you don't track "hourly" pay, why track "vacation days"?) is interesting. Professional sports analogies are good, but pretty common - nothing "Netflixy" about them. There are probably 25 good slides in there. Not bad, but nothing irreplaceable.

    Is she fired?

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  34. What's so 'A' player great about Netflix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Netflix moves bits - they're the UPS of bits. Other than putting hardware at ISP sites to cache bits, what's the big challenge? How many 'A' people do they need? It's not like they're doing pure research. Unless there's something I don't know, their problems seem to be network shaping and flow, which are already solved. They're basically managing what amounts to a big DDoS attack. I'm not impressed with their grandiose view of themselves, unless there is some secret to Netflix that I don't know about.

    And I wonder, if they only hire 'A' people, who rips the DVDs they stream?

    1. Re:What's so 'A' player great about Netflix? by Cederic · · Score: 2

      Other than putting hardware at ISP sites to cache bits, what's the big challenge?

      Knowing which hardware. Negotiating with the ISP to let you. Getting the ISP to pay for it, as it reduces their peering costs. Negotiating the peering arrangements to get the data to those servers. Designing the cache mechanism to balance data flow vs storage cost. Designing the security mechanisms to stop the ISP sys admin from copying the entire Netflicks library to his local NAS.

      How many 'A' people do they need?

      Going for hard minimums, I'd look for around a dozen in each major area of the business. So somewhere between 200 and 500, more if you want to break it down by product area.

      Finance, HR, Marketing, Customer Service, Procurement, Collections, Sales, Corporate Comms, Product Development, Change Management, IT, Compliance, Fraud, InfoSecurity.. companies are kind of complex at that scale.

      Unless there's something I don't know, their problems seem to be network shaping and flow, which are already solved

      There's an awful lot you don't know. Even if the theory behind network shaping is known, you need somebody capable of applying it. Netflix as "the UPS of bits" probably encounter a bunch of edge cases that present genuinely difficult problems to solve even to the guys that developed the theory and solved all the easy problems.

      I'm not impressed with their grandiose view of themselves, unless there is some secret to Netflix that I don't know about.

      Well, a lot of people aren't impressed by their grandiose view of themselves. You do however seem to have a simplistic view of the technical challenges they face, and the complexities of running a large business. Shit, the article mentions explicitly someone designing a payment collection mechanism. You any good at that?

      And I wonder, if they only hire 'A' people, who rips the DVDs they stream?

      Without researching, I'd guess they either outsource to cheap offshore labour and/or they negotiate with the studios and get the digital content sent straight to them. The Internet, it works both ways!

    2. Re:What's so 'A' player great about Netflix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's still not clear that their skill requirements are that unique that they require the best-of-the-best (whatever that is) more than any other large business. They're just hallucinating their own Lake Wobegon.

    3. Re:What's so 'A' player great about Netflix? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Most large businesses don't recruit A players. They look to recruit B and C players, as they're a lot cheaper and generally good enough.

      The top companies do recruit the top people, and they benefit as a result. It doesn't matter how mundane your business is, good people will do it better.

      Running a business and providing a service is not a solved problem. It's a constantly evolving challenge and you need great problem solvers that know how to work effectively together.

  35. Here's one reason why it's stupid by dbIII · · Score: 1

    You can't do anything new and stay as an "A player". Solving problems or learning new skills means less output in the short term than just sticking to a standard operating procedure. In the long term if you have nothing but people good at doing the standard operating procedures then you have nobody that can devise the new ones. Either the place with this stupidity stagnates, you call in consultants or you poach from places with a better procedures and get them to parrot what is done in the other place.
    This A-player shit sounds like it came from a 19 year old HR person on cocaine.


    The example of the person they fired sounded like just the sort of flexible problem solver needed when changes need to be made. The message is clear - they don't want to change with circumstances but instead stay in their niche until it vanishes or they are displaced by another company prepared to change and be a better fit. Then they will wonder why it all went wrong.

  36. Re: 'A' Players Make a Lot of Questionable Decisio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Blu-Ray uses VC-1, H.264, and MPEG-2, depending on what studio released the disc. No clue which is most popular though. However, NetFlix most likely has to do video encoding anyway. The highest quality NetFlix stream is only around 8Mbps, which is far less than would be used on a Blu-Ray.

    SilverLight did add H.264 support in version 3 (2009). It's never been clear to me why SilverLight was chosen. Flash offered the same features, but on more platforms and with a much larger existing install base and a larger variety of codecs supported.

  37. Re:'A' Players Make a Lot of Questionable Decision by guises · · Score: 4, Informative

    That didn't choose Silverlight based on "hype," they chose Silverlight because flash didn't offer DRM'd video streaming.

  38. Re:'A' Players Make a Lot of Questionable Decision by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

    They are like Yahoo used to be. Seemingly the best at what they do, but actually quite primitive and likely to be replaced by something better soon.

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  39. Re:'A' Players Make a Lot of Questionable Decision by dbIII · · Score: 2

    That sounds like a situation where an inhouse tool is called for. The inability to run on tablets/phones/etc should have been enough of a warning to stay away from a poorly supported emerging technology from a single vendor with a reputation for cutting the cord.

  40. Re:zynical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe in Germany things are different, for now. Don't bet on it lasting long, the Harvard Business School approach is corrosive and deadly, and it gets short-term results, just like cancer cells getting a new blood supply.

  41. Re:#2 Regret by CEOs: Hiring the wrong person by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Don't be evil" fits on one powerpoint slide.

  42. Re:Can you run a Tech Company on Grade A folks onl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Code doesn't rot like organic matter.

  43. Re:Can you run a Tech Company on Grade A folks onl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    OOOOoooohhhh yes it does! You are either not a developer, or are so green you haven't experienced it yet.

    What happens is that the business changes AROUND the code, so the code doesn't reflect current business processes as well as it did when it was originally written. So, someone puts in a "minor fix" to correct something to make it more closely match current reality, and in the process they break two other small bits of functionality that no one knows about for a few months. Wash-rinse-repeat this process for a few years, and what do you have? Code rot.

  44. Re:Can you run a Tech Company on Grade A folks onl by excelsior_gr · · Score: 1

    Indeed. Check out Brave New World, the "Cyprus experiment" (or something, it has been a while).

  45. Hey. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Respect the beard.

  46. Re:Can you run a Tech Company on Grade A folks onl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's an 80:20% rule. Most engineers only like to do the first 80% of a project, not the non-sexy last 20%. I don't think that's a problem about A-players, it's a generic problem. Personally I think an A-player who leaves something at 80% is not an A-player. The 20% of "details" is what makes the product shine on another quality level. If someone can't see that, he or she is not so smart, or lazy, and in any case not an A-player. An A-player delivers the whole thing.

    The problem MS had with this HR policy what that people get very defensive, and you get a Windows island, an Office island, etc. where they fight for their own island but don't fight for the company or bigger lines.

    The problem google has with this HR policy, on some levels (many mediocre people work for google) is that it is a lie and leads to a baffling mono-culture. If you go there to be interviewed for the day, if one person doesn't like you, you won't get in. I firmly believe that you need different people and different characters to make a great product, intellectual conflict is good.

    The problem they both have is that they are shitty companies, I wouldn't want to work there. I don't want to work for an evil company which sells our privacy and where I'd become a glorified ad seller. We don't all sell our souls like Vint Cerf, who was someone sometime, and is now a trophy ad seller who argues against privacy. Not an A-player.

  47. Re:'A' Players Make a Lot of Questionable Decision by Martin+Blank · · Score: 3

    Replacement is possible though I don't know how likely it actually is. Netflix hasn't seemed to be as content to sit back and enjoy the limelight and instead has been pushing to change how they do things and the customer experience. I don't know who can seriously challenge them; there are at least a dozen competitors, but few if any have the range of content. Maybe Amazon (and I could see them trying to buy Netflix) has the architecture and the content, but I'm not at all happy with their non-rental selection. I don't see Redbox taking over any time soon, much less any of the other competitors.

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  48. Re:Can you run a Tech Company on Grade A folks onl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Err...it kind of does. Libraries, third-party dependencies, frameworks, etc. all are versioned, fast become deprecated or unsupported in this day and age.
    If you don't manage that and commit time and resources to abating it, perhaps the software doesn't die, but you do have a zombie.

  49. a players? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I take it this does not apply to their media dept. Their collection is stale and unimpressive. Red box is going to eat these guys alive.

  50. Everyone can be an A player in the right job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody needs to be less than an A player - as long as they are in the right position. Not every position will be required at Netflix; some are at GE, GM, etc. But if every company had only the right people in the appropriate job, things would indeed work out better.

  51. Re:Can you run a Tech Company on Grade A folks onl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then you are defining "grade A" wrong. You need "grade A" in more than one position. What you would talk about are designers that like to deal with big interesting problems and get some architecture up and going. You don't need the same person to finish the details they will be bad at, just hire someone who is "grade A" in the category of producing massive amounts of boring code. There are people out there that can turn out the stuff reliably and in large amounts as needed.

  52. Re:Can you run a Tech Company on Grade A folks onl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well put. Some of us get bored with the mundane. Some of us love the mundane. It is best to fit the skills and desires with the job. That way we have all "A" levels in their spot.

  53. User interfaces by Latent+Heat · · Score: 0

    Are you talking about Healthcare.gov? Or are you talking about the virtual-reality helmet for the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter?

  54. What about diversity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most managers tend to identify A-players as those most like them. Old boys club?

  55. Re:'A' Players Make a Lot of Questionable Decision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why did they announce separate disc / streaming services (Quickster), and then immediately backtrack?

    I don't have a source for this handy, but I recall people suggesting that the Quickster split was deliberately set up to fail, as a way to shut up the investor and analyst types who had been demanding such a streaming/mailed-disc split.

  56. Merry Christmas! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And your first present is from Netflix and Slashdot... and what is it? Corporate Wank.

  57. Scalability is a challenge.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As others have noted, eventually you run out of A players (regardless of your price point, no matter how how, because there are intangibles for all jobs.. the best and highest paid job in the world in Ulan Bator isn't going to be interesting to someone who needs the stimulation of Manhattan)

    The scalable organization plans for, hires, and uses average people, or more realistically, a mix of good, indifferent, and bad people (because bad workers are inevitable, and they have non-zero time in the organization before you discover their "badness").

    Organizations that depend on any scarce resource, be it bodies, gold, regulatory help, or anything, cannot scale. It's like the difference between mining diamonds or gold and mining iron or coal. For the latter, there's a continuum of grades, you can always find some slightly worse stuff than you're getting now, so the cost to make that ingot goes up a bit. But it's continuous. gold and super star workers do not have a continuous distribution. There are concentrations, and once that concentration is mined out, it's a long way to the next.

  58. Fixed cost per country by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's often cheaper for a VOD over IP service to serve large countries than small countries because there's a fixed cost to negotiate a license for each country. Because of longstanding decades-long territorial distribution contracts that predate home broadband, especially when a film is an adaptation of a book or periodical or contains popular music, studios often are unable to grant a single worldwide license.

  59. Re:'A' Players Make a Lot of Questionable Decision by mysidia · · Score: 2

    They are like Yahoo used to be. Seemingly the best at what they do, but actually quite primitive and likely to be replaced by something better soon.

    The trouble is legal barriers to competition; required license arrangements to stream media.

  60. Let me guess by jd · · Score: 1

    Back in the stickshift era, Netflix directors drove the interstates/motorways at the proper speed. In first gear. Then parked by slamming directly into reverse. After all, you're supposed to burn things out, right?

    Anyone checked the suicide rate of ex-Netflix employees? My guess is that it's above national average. Considerably above. Once an employee has been burned through and is no longer A lister because they're mentally shot, why would anyone else hire them? Their experience means they'll need to be paid more than the graduates who are more functional and more able. Not a good bargain. And the experience is worth nothing because web programmers are a dime a dozen and recommendation algorithms are common.

    Work experience should always add value, but in this modern culture, who wants to help another company? The best short-term returns are from squeezing minds till they're dry, then throwing away the rinds. Why would companies worry about the long-term? Not on the balance sheet. As for helping others... that's..... Socialist thinking! Even when there's no competition. All for one and one for me.

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  61. Re:'A' Players Make a Lot of Questionable Decision by wbr1 · · Score: 1

    They're the largest in their field and have little real competition, so they must be doing something right.

    They were the first in the field, and no one has done it better - yet. FTFY

    Remember myspace?

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  62. A players? Hell I'll take competent by NotSoHeavyD3 · · Score: 1

    I know I've brought this up before but I've had co-workers who were supposed to be tech savvy and couldn't successfully plug in a USB device and get it working. (Yes I was stupid enough to help them, I wanted them to go away.)

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  63. How generous was that severance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More than once in the article they discuss "generous severance". How generous? there's a lot of possibilities.. A year's pay? Use of their computer at work to fill out the forms for unemployment?

    And, let us not forget that "severance" means you are "unemployed", which means that your resume will instantly be rejected at any other company in today's market.

  64. what is the metric? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How do I, as a "team member", know what the measure of an "A" versus anything else?

    OH, I FORGOT, the North Dallas 40 rules apply here. DUH!

  65. No future for Netflix by adewolf · · Score: 1

    It's easy. If they keep this HR philosophy, they will never have long term viability. No one who is sane will want to hang around with a bunch of eccentric, hard to deal with egotistical "A" players.

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    1. Re:No future for Netflix by koan · · Score: 1

      That is, if they can get another job.

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    2. Re:No future for Netflix by Anonymous+Psychopath · · Score: 1

      It's easy. If they keep this HR philosophy, they will never have long term viability. No one who is sane will want to hang around with a bunch of eccentric, hard to deal with egotistical "A" players.

      "A" players are not eccentric and hard to deal with. You are describing a "B" player. The "A" player delivers the same results, but isn't an asshole.

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    3. Re:No future for Netflix by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      Gives a bit of insight as to why they're pushing so hard for "immigration reform" and raising the H-1B cap, eh? If you get a reputation for being difficult to work for, it becomes harder to find competent people.

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    4. Re:No future for Netflix by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Years ago, one of my cow-orkers was clearly an "A" in tech skills. He knew his stuff better than anyone else there. However, he got fired because he had an "F" attitude.

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  66. Re:Can you run a Tech Company on Grade A folks onl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Windows Rot. The OS slows down over time due to the inefficiency of Windows. Incidentally for some, they dispose of their PC and buy a new one because of this. it could be intentional to sell new computers, you know, some deal with OEMs etc. Who knows for sure.

  67. sounds like high school cliques by Nyder · · Score: 1

    "A Players" in other words, people that they like,not people who can actually do the job correctly.

    Sounds like a crappy place to work, unless you are best buds with the boss.

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  68. Translation: We don't do long term product support by sandbagger · · Score: 2

    After a few years, once the code base gets creaky, you want to keep people who know why things were made that way to be around so you don't accidentally unplug something.

    This also applies to other sectors. A salesman who is not making his numbers now may be back to making his numbers in a stellar way in a few quarters. Why? Some sales take a log time to bring home. On some products you only get a kick at the can every two or three years when a new vice-president is brought into a division and does the 'change shows I'm doing something' thing.

    This strikes me as the babble of a guy in consumer products where the sales cycle is short and the emphasis is high volume. In enterprise products, or in products where you're building something that needs to hang around for a few years like aircraft, bridges, enterprise grade software deployments where if you fuck something up, it's not a tech support call that comes in it's a phone call saying 'I want someone from your team in my office to-morrow to explain the service disruption to my lawyers.'

    He can talk this way because his products are not in any place where a long game needs to be played.

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  69. Re:Can you run a Tech Company on Grade A folks onl by sandbagger · · Score: 1

    Are you kidding me?

    Everything around your product changes. H264 is getting replaced by H265, and H266, et cetera. Various dependencies will be deprecated. New dependencies will be needed.

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  70. Re: 'A' Players Make a Lot of Questionable Decisi by jmauro · · Score: 2

    Flash didn't have video DRM at the time of launch. Silverlight did so it was chosen since DRM was judged as the most important feature to have.

  71. Re:zynical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Society doesnt consist of only 'A players'.

    They don't care about society. They care about themselves and their own wallets.

  72. to be honest... by buddyglass · · Score: 1

    I'm sympathetic to their philosophy. One of the biggest irritants at my job is having to work with people who don't know how to do theirs. If they were aware of their own limitations that would be one thing, but they're not. And, yes, my employer offers all the silly "perks" like an Xbox in the break room, free beer, etc. I'd trade that stuff for a team full of "A" players any day.

    1. Re:to be honest... by koan · · Score: 1

      That attitude right there takes you off my "A" list.

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    2. Re:to be honest... by buddyglass · · Score: 1

      What is your attitude toward coworkers who don't know what they're doing? Or do you dispute that such people exist?

    3. Re:to be honest... by koan · · Score: 1

      Train them, and address how they came to be hired.

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    4. Re:to be honest... by buddyglass · · Score: 2

      It's not a matter of training. Let me give an actual example. Meet Joe.

      Joe's official title is "enterprise architect" of a 25 person start-up with a mobile offering. He designed and wrote the back-end system that supports the company's apps. He also designed the database that sits behind that back-end system. Since the earliest days of the company he's manged equipment purchasing.

      Joe, despite his title, is not a very good developer. He has a CS background but is admittedly not good at the "theory stuff". He is a self-taught ruby programmer. The server code is an utter mess. Absolutely no awareness of object-oriented design, even in situations that cry out for o.o.p. No use of or even knowledge of exceptions. I did some work for the server team I wrote some code that used exceptions and he didn't even know they were part of the language. Twice Joe has deleted important data "by accident" on production systems ("rm -rf"). Moreover, Joe likes to insert himself into situations outside his official responsibility. For instance, he one asked the app team to slip an unplanned feature into a release because it would be a big deal to one of "his customers". He's not a product guy. He's not an account manager. He shouldn't have "special customers" for whom he's doing special favors. Joe is also the choke point for all hardware purchases. The app team has a requirement (and verbal permission from the CTO) to upgrade its antiquated build environment. There is a hard deadline for this imposed by Apple. App team's plan is to construct a parallel build environment on new hardware then use it as a drop-in replacement for the legacy system. However, this requires Joe to actually buy the hardware. It's not a priority for him, though, so he's not doing anything. At one point he wanted to buy one of the new Mac Pro's and use it as the build machine. App team member pointed out that the Mac Pro's won't even be available until after our deadline has passed. This was news to Joe. The most likely outcome is for the deadline to come and go and the build machine to not be updated, creating a scenario in which the company is unable to produce new app store builds. Joe is also in danger of driving a couple of female employes to quit because of some borderline-inappropriate comments Joe made and the subtly patronizing way in which he interacts with women.

      We have a defect tracking system. The process is supposed to be that new tickets get assigned to a team lead who triages them and metes them out to someone on his or her team. Joe is the lead for the server team. Tickets assigned to Joe, however, are often not looked at for weeks. Even if they are, and are resolved, Joe never updates the ticket in the defect-tracking system so the creator has no idea it's been resolved. If you want Joe to do something you have to go to his office and sit in his lap because there's always something more urgent he's working on.

      In my opinion, the things Joe does that negatively impact the company's bottom line are not going to be fixed by "training".

    5. Re:to be honest... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't think that pretty much everyone considers *themselves* to be "A-players"? (Disgusting phrase BTW)

      Same way everyone is (in their own mind) a good driver?

  73. Greedy Pigs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >you get lobbyists to convince Congress you need to hire as many people as you want from outside the country.

    Translation: We want to exploit overseas, cheap labor and we will buy off as many people in Washing to get it.

    We made up that A-player story so we won't sound like the greedy pigs we are to the techie people we will be firing.

  74. VOD is not Rocket Science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a VOD service. It's not rocket science. This CEO is a a$$h0l@ who only looks at paper and not the actual person. Lets also face it, Netflix is the only mainstream VOD and By Mail service around, now that blockbuster is gone. So either pirate everything, buy everything, or subscribe to Nitpixs.

    1. Re:VOD is not Rocket Science by koan · · Score: 2

      Or stop sitting on your ass watching TV waiting to be "entertained" and do something meaningful.

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  75. This is what happens. by koan · · Score: 1

    When corporations run things and the only thing that matters is the bottom line.

    I wish we could crowd source corporate control, in this case getting as many people as possible to cancel their Netflix accounts with the explanation "We don't like the way you do business".

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    1. Re:This is what happens. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wish we could crowd source corporate control

      Um, that's how public corporations already work.

  76. Writing on the wall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm a bleeding-heart liberal from Scandinavia, but I'm in full agreement with the HR manager. Or, more to the point, I believe businesses should be run as profit-making machines and shouldn't have any ulterior motives. If society only needs the top 10% to contribute, so be it.

    The problem comes in when we couple a person's worth with their job. America, especially, should understand that unemployed people are not lazy, up-to-no.good misfits. Wage labor may not be the cornerstone of a person's livelihood in the future, but we need to be prepared for a society where the majority of the people don't have anything useful to contribute. Yes, that may necessitate a shift to a much more socialistic system with steeply progressive including negative taxation (call it citizen dividend, if you will). If "advanced tax planning" makes steep enough progression impossible to implement, a move to a wholesale communism might be called for.

    1. Re:Writing on the wall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "...the majority of the people don't have anything useful to contribute..."

      Including every Netflix employee, of course.

      Or do you mean "don't have anything marketable to contribute"?

    2. Re:Writing on the wall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or do you mean "don't have anything marketable to contribute"?

      "Marketable," in the first place. But even more generally, you shouldn't derive your worth from how beneficial your existence is to others. Fulfill your duties and commitments, don't trample on the rights of others and enjoy life. That should be enough, and the technology should be there for us to build the society on those maxims.

  77. Sociopaths. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's lovely to see the sociopaths in charge of society have finally taken off their masks to show them for the torturers they really are.

  78. Wrong definition of A players by gozar · · Score: 1

    I think most of the comments about A players are defining them incorrectly. An A player is one that:

    - is competent in their skills and is continually upgrading their skillset
    - works well with others, viewing criticism not personally. The A player uses criticism to get better
    - will go the extra mile(s) so their projects and the company will be a success. No task is too menial. When they walk down the hall they will pick up any trash they find to throw away.
    - is humble
    - is not afraid of failure

    In education, you see A players all the time. These are the ones you want to work with and work for. They make you better.

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  79. Incentives. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People with an employee mindset naturally want job security, and consider the provision of such to be a moral obligation of employers. The reasons are obvious.

    Employers, on the other hand, face the possibility of paying high salaries to a staff full of under performers, and ultimately harming (or losing) their business because of this. Neither they nor *any* of their employees will be very well off if the business goes under. So, from their perspective, it is morally obligatory that they hire the best and get rid of people who are becoming dead weight.

    So, the two perspectives directly contradict. Each sees the other as a moral blight. On the one hand, employers are seen as sociopathic assholes that demand everything you have to give and make no promises in return. On the other hand, employees are seen as lazy assholes that demand high salaries in perpetuity with no guarantee of productive output at all.

    Each has good reason to find the other to be morally flawed, and to try to manipulate the legal system to force the other to play by one's own rules. This will never change. Articles like this one, and counter-articles, will be written in perpetuity, because neither side is objectively correct. Or rather, both sides are correct even though they are in direct disagreement.

    1. Re: Incentives. by mfh · · Score: 2

      This is much like the whole landlord/tenant dynamic. You're right, because with capitalism it's not measured by merit--only position. There were historically no measures apart from results so to ends justify the means in this system. The result of such a system ifs The advancement of sociopaths because the do whatever it takes to advance. They have no compassion for anyone. Darwin's theories aid these types. They are not meek.

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    2. Re:Incentives. by plopez · · Score: 2

      You are not factoring two items; the economic disruption of recruiting and training new employees while running short staffed and the economic disruption of not having a job. Both parties have some overlap of best interest which makes their positions closer than it first appears. In addition, an employer with a reputation of treating employees poorly has more problems recruiting and retaining talent. The employer and employee have moral and ethical duties to treat each other well. It is not as black and white as some would say.

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    3. Re:Incentives. by timeOday · · Score: 2

      But there is one overriding difference between the two sides: generally (including here and now), one side has almost all the power.

    4. Re:Incentives. by geoskd · · Score: 1, Insightful

      This will never change. Articles like this one, and counter-articles, will be written in perpetuity, because neither side is objectively correct. Or rather, both sides are correct even though they are in direct disagreement.

      That only holds true if one assumes Capitalism and all of its social consequences are an absolute given. Under other less traditional economic systems, those assumptions do not necessarily hold, and working process' can be created that do not maintain this insane tension. The fact is that we are getting closer and closer to absolute Capitalism in the United States, and as we get closer, we are seeing rising poverty, rising unemployment, the elimination of the middle class, and a massive increase in the wage gap. Lets face it, Capitalism is really only unquestionably good for the top 1%. Everyone else is as likely to be hurt by it as helped.

      Put another way, if every company took Netflix approach that only the top 10% are worthy of a job, what do the other 90% do to eat? A person cant just will themselves to be smarter. They can work harder, but that often causes them to make more mistakes, not less, and is really only valuable to jobs that require manual labor (the kind that will be / are being replaced by robots).

      I propose that we better solve this dilemma, and right soon, or the fallout will destroy our society. The ultimate consequence of continuing down the road were on is civil war.

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    5. Re:Incentives. by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      Job security is a benefit, and when you take away a benefit from a job the employee will demand more pay to offset the loss. So all Netflix employees are more expensive. As they get older and married with kids, job offers from other companies will gain in value to Netflix employees, until eventually they will leave.

    6. Re: Incentives. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that is the raw truth?

    7. Re:Incentives. by sonamchauhan · · Score: 1

      > Or rather, both sides are correct even though they are in direct disagreement.

      Ah, the usual AC handwringing recipe -- "it all hopeless... no one's right" -- along with a dash of zesty "job creator" myth thrown in.

      > People with an employee mindset naturally want job security, and consider the provision of such to be a moral obligation of employers. The reasons are obvious.

      No, its not, Capn. obvious! Most employees actually want to work hard AND realise that there are limits to their employment.

      > Employers, [...] morally obligatory that they hire the best and get rid of people who are becoming dead weight.

      There. Now you've defined your own morality. Perhaps you think of yourself as an employer with such a 'moral obligation'. All the best not disgusting your 'good' employees who know how you treat 'deadwood' and wonder when their time will come.

    8. Re:Incentives. by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      Put another way, if every company took Netflix approach that only the top 10% are worthy of a job, what do the other 90% do to eat?

      If every company does this, then those top 10% could choose to work wherever they wanted. The companies would compete for those workers by offering competitive salaries, benefits, and working conditions. The companies would still need to hire plenty more people, so of course not just the top 10% would be offered jobs.

      The better companies will get the better employees and the worst will get the worst. This gives both potential employers and potential employees the incentive to become better.

      The end result: better employers, better employees.

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    9. Re: Incentives. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're right. An employee can quit at any time whereas an employer must remain in the same business. Employees have all options available to them so indeed, they have all the power.

    10. Re:Incentives. by jbolden · · Score: 2

      Put another way, if every company took Netflix approach that only the top 10% are worthy of a job, what do the other 90% do to eat?

      If it were the same 10% there would soon be a huge price discrepancy. What does it cost to hire one of the best 2000 football players in the United States (NFL material). What about the next 2000, the next 2000.... You can probably hire the 10,000th best football player for $25k a year while $2.5m a year wouldn't do it for #10. In theory we don't think the programming space is that narrow. So if the wage gap opened enough ....

    11. Re: Incentives. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolute capitalism? Are you nuts? Last I looked, the Feds were bailing out banks. That is corporatism, not capitalism. Look at the United States before the creation of the federal reserve and you'll get closer to what capitalism looks like.

    12. Re: Incentives. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I'll just go ahead and assume you're a crack head.

    13. Re:Incentives. by gizmo2199 · · Score: 1

      You'd think that since they're asking for the top 10% to be their employees, Netflix would pay them salaries in the top 10%. I'm guessing they don't see it that way.

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    14. Re: Incentives. by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 1

      I used to fantasize about a world without money too.

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    15. Re: Incentives. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They absolutely do.

    16. Re: Incentives. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think I need to correct you here: mostly-capitalistic societies are those that have the lowest differences between rich and poor. There is some variation among them, but if you look at statistics like the Gini coefficient you'll see clearly how mostly-capitalistic societies are a lot better in terms of equality of income and resources than places that live under more centrally-planned economies.

      Sometimes there is recessions and crisis, very likely caused by the whole central/fractional banking apparatus, that is government-appointed and not compatible with a capitalistic society.

      The most viable economic system is capitalism in an individualist society. That does not mean that we must accept the social rules of conservatism, which are retrograde and primitive, a mistake commonly made by Americans.

    17. Re:Incentives. by fredrated · · Score: 0

      You have an incredibly myopic, restricted view of human behavior, did you bribe someone to get rated 5?

    18. Re:Incentives. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Employers, on the other hand, face the possibility of paying high salaries to a staff full of under performers

      Right there is your flaw. Employers always view employees as underperformers, by your estimate. I've worked in companies where that was true, so it is not an uncommon view.

      Are you an under-performer? Do you perform at your peak potential, every day? Odds are you don't, and that's OK. 95% of all companies set up environments that are known to be disruptive, often for not more than a fleeting convenience of someone "in power."

      A perfect example, the group status meeting. If the company really wanted to make this efficient, it wouldn't even happen. There are plenty of status tracking applications (and in software there are even more). Have managers pull the reports, and do one-on-ones with the people they would have talked to anyway (with an audience of idle workers).

      What about those short cube walls? Full wall cubes are known to be a performance improvement, and offices with doors are correlated with a 30% performance improvement (if memory serves me correctly). Managers want short "hide nothing" cubes so they can scan the workforce at a glance, under the mis-belief that they can spot a slacking employee.

      There are so many examples, and we know by research the issues; but, very few companies actually use the research to modify the environment. It's proof positive that companies really don't care about under-performers, as they attempt to extract a lot of under-performance from their performers.

    19. Re:Incentives. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An employee is a thinking feeling person.
      A business is a soulless uncaring entity.
      Therefore, the employee is right.

    20. Re:Incentives. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, I don't think "morally" means what you think it means.

    21. Re:Incentives. by romons · · Score: 1

      The 'invisible hand' market based world would simply fire people who didn't directly contribute to the bottom line. This makes it possible (although not likely) for resources (that is YOU) to be used more efficiently in the economy. It is similar to the strategy that a farmer would use when pulling weeds and using them for mulch. You don't feel sorry for them, do you?

      The government, on the other hand, has a constitutional mandate to 'promote the general welfare'. This means they are not allowed to allow people to starve to death, or be mulched.

      So, the way it should work is that government should tax the shit out of folks like netflix to provide a safety net for the 90% of people they cast aside when they've lost their usefulness. This would have the added advantage that people could go and work someplace where they could contribute without having their kids starve when they lose their healthcare and end up in bankruptcy due to a preventable illness.

      I mean, we have all had coworkers that have been shit at their jobs, knew they were shit, but were afraid to go someplace they could be useful. Some of us have actually been these people. The crappy safety net in the US prevented these people from leaving. That in itself is a net drain on the economy. People should either be employed in something they can do properly, or be put safely in front of a TV where they can't do any harm. We have enough resources in the economy for everybody to eat, have shelter, and have healthcare without doing 'make work'.

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  80. Weakest links in the chain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I agree with Netflix's approach, to an extent. I used to work at the International 8-bar company. Because of constant outsourcing and layoffs, morale was low. The general feeling among many of the engineers was "don't ask me to work, and I won't ask you for a raise". People who took advantage of the "excellent work-life balance" were naturally inclined to stick around, but without contributing much to product or company. The general joke was that it was a great company for people with other priorities!

    If your lot fell with such colleagues, your career was doomed, since product releases would never go anywhere. I jumped ship when I realized their mind-set wasn't going to change.

    So, I think that Netflix starting out with hiring an A-team is a good thing, provided:

    - It rewards and recognizes their contributions
    - It makes them feel safe in their job to make mistakes
    - It doesn't lay off people to meet quarterly numbers (especially since it says it hires only A-players)
    - It doesn't outsource/offshore work, chasing after stock price.

  81. Re:'A' Players Make a Lot of Questionable Decision by TTL0 · · Score: 1

    or Blackberry ?

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  82. Inefficient market = Bad hiring practices by Baldrson · · Score: 2
    The network effect creates unearned profits. Unearned profits == inefficient market. An inefficient market will result in parasites showing up to exploit the margins.

    The reason you have companies like Netflix, Facebook and Microsoft (and to a lesser degree Google) determining immigration policy is that they enjoy a network effect subsidy and there are cultures out there that have been so long without any kind of a frontier that they have evolved very sophisticated parasites.

    If you want an efficient market, distribute network effect profits as citizen's dividends. Network effect profits can be extracted from the economy by shifting the tax base away from economic activity and toward liquidation value of assets.

    Once the citizens realize that every immigrant is a dilution of the value of citizenship, immigration reform will be more rational.

    1. Re:Inefficient market = Bad hiring practices by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      The reason you have companies like Netflix, Facebook and Microsoft (and to a lesser degree Google) determining immigration policy is that they enjoy a network effect subsidy and there are cultures out there that have been so long without any kind of a frontier that they have evolved very sophisticated parasites.

      The network effect adds efficiencies, but in this case the primary subsidy is copyright. Without copyright there would be better, more efficient competitors in the content delivery business. If the network effect were the primary benefit, we should expect to see competitors at higher prices, but show me where I can get a Netflix-like streaming catalog with better software for double the money ('cause I'm rather frustrated by their playback software on most platforms).

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    2. Re:Inefficient market = Bad hiring practices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once the citizens realize that every immigrant is a dilution of the value of citizenship, immigration reform will be more rational.

      No it won't, because the citizens no longer have any input into the legislative process.

      So the citizens will just start killing the immigrants themselves. And the legislators, if and when possible. (Read history. Happens sooner or later, everywhere.)

  83. what a bunch of klingons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not to insult REAL Klingons, but any job where you have to attack, belittle and demean your co-workers and downplay their accomplishments while building up your own, must be ... the Govt.

  84. comment on this story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Soon everyone will know your a dis loyal company to your employees and no one will work for you if there is more than one opportunity. Then your only choices will be b people.

  85. FUCK YOU SLASHDOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THIS NEW DESIGN IS DOG SHIT

  86. Re:'A' Players Make a Lot of Questionable Decision by CODiNE · · Score: 1

    If their videos are VC-1 then how do they play back on iOS devices without killing the battery?

    If they're already H.264 for iOS devices, then why is transitioning needed?

    Several possible answers, none of which I've been able to verify.

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  87. Re:'A' Players Make a Lot of Questionable Decision by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    Why did they announce separate disc / streaming services (Quickster), and then immediately backtrack?

    I believe they considered splitting the company, expecting (allowing?) the disc company (or business unit) to die off w/o impacting shares of the streaming company/unit. This would have also allowed people to tailor their investments. Perhaps not a good technical idea, but I can see the business merits, especially if you expect disc subscriptions to die off in favor of streaming.

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  88. And in come the unions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a classic case of not learning from history. When companies start routinely ignoring the needs of the employees as human beings, the employees for unions to protect their interests and then, we'll, we've seems what happens. It is worse for the companies than simply acknowledging that the employees are people with needs and that the company cannot simply trust them as disposable monetary units. If the companies fail to acknowledge the needs of their employees to have a stable source of income that provides for a reasonable life style then the employees are left with no choice than to unionize and everything gets worse then for everyone.

    So learn from history and take care of the people who are making the ceo's rich, or face the inevitable consequences, which you as a rich CEO will like even less.

  89. Re:Can you run a Tech Company on Grade A folks onl by jafac · · Score: 1

    This is pretty true about A workers.

    But on the other hand, if you then, go and assign the necessary B and C tasks to B and C workers, many A workers get a bit "territorial". (and often, critical).

    If this is the case - it's because those "A" workers really are not A workers. They lack team-skills. This is the flaw underlying all employee ranking systems. Evaluating performance, and selecting a subset of important criteria.

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  90. Don't confuse 'A' Players with Prima Donnas! by JoshWurzel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm seeing a lot of posts spouting the idea that 'A' players come with a lot of trade-offs. That's incorrect. Those posters are thinking of prima donnas.

    Think about it like this: Are you an 'A' student if you got a perfect score on your math test and a zero on your history test? No. You're just good at math.

    True 'A' players are hard to find. But they aren't unicorns. A true 'A' player has the following qualities:
    -technical competence
    -creative
    -detail oriented: your creative solution isn't finished until the detail work is complete.
    -cross-functional diplomatic skills, and at least a superficial understanding of the work that people around him do.
    -quick learner
    -able to prioritize tasks
    -positive attitude
    -executes quickly & effectively (aka "works smart, not hard")
    -can handle the bureaucracy of your work environment (startup/megacorp/whatever)

    That probably sounds like a lot to ask of one person, but people with this list of skills exist. They just take a bit longer to find and its admittedly tough to identify them all in an interview.

    Maybe you don't have all those skills yourself. That's ok. But it means that if I hire you, I have to hire other people to get those skills. Netflix has decided that its worth their time to look for the whole package.

    1. Re:Don't confuse 'A' Players with Prima Donnas! by ApplePy · · Score: 2

      Trouble is... if you try to tell a prospective employer that you have all those skills, they think you are either full of shit, or you threaten the jobs/self-esteem of the people interviewing you.

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    2. Re:Don't confuse 'A' Players with Prima Donnas! by swillden · · Score: 1

      If the people interviewing you are "A" players, they won't be threatened. This is the root of the old saw: 'A's hire 'A's. 'B's hire 'C's. 'B's are threatened by 'A's, and even by other 'B's, so they hire 'C's who don't threaten them. People who are at the top of their game enjoy working with similarly capable people. They aren't threatened by a challenge, they like it.

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    3. Re:Don't confuse 'A' Players with Prima Donnas! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of the people with those skill sets have had the keenness of their edge dulled by shitty management. The modern workforce has a lot in common with the movie "The Ugly Truth". People carry around these wishlists about the qualities of the "perfect partner" but they themselves don't have the ability to handle something so delicate without breaking it. This is just glorified executive "virgin hunting". I think CEOs should be evaluated more frequently based on how they manage their love lives.

    4. Re:Don't confuse 'A' Players with Prima Donnas! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >people with this list of skills exist

      No, they don't.

      You're just too shitty of a manager to understand the complex group interactions that result in success, so you attribute the entirety of the group's success to one individual.

    5. Re:Don't confuse 'A' Players with Prima Donnas! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A checklist any psychopath would pass with ease.

  91. Bad Idea by pubwvj · · Score: 1

    "how do you find enough employees if 90% of the country's population is deemed unworthy of jobs? Well, Netflix CEO Reed Hastings' support of Mark Zuckerberg's FWD.us PAC suggests one possible answer â" you get lobbyists to convince Congress you need to hire as many people as you want from outside the country."

    Wrong, greedy and short sighted. Far better is to breed your own talent and train them from birth to the jobs, as well as teaching them the flexibility necessary to adapt as the job changes. Eventually this evolves better workers. Netflix has it all wrong.

  92. Skills are not what makes an 'A' player by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a load of rot.

  93. Patty McCord sounds like a solid "B-" by wardk · · Score: 1

    a severance package for Patty would be in her best interest.

    what would nextflix need A players for? they mostly carry B and C material.

  94. Makes no sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would an A player (whatever that means) work for a place that doesn't value their accomplishments and contributions?

  95. C for McCord by CanEHdian · · Score: 1

    What you need to ask yourself: what makes the "A" player an "A" player? How did that player get there? A very intelligent go-the-extra-mile person with excellent social skills is always welcome. Don't forget, this would affect anyone that has been an "A" player in one role, and (after a similar transitional period a new hire would get) is an "A" player in another role. Because if you are made redundant in the manner McCord champions, what would be the chances that you would ever return to the same company, other than for a substantial wage increase and -in a fool me once... manner- demand a substantial severance package.

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  96. You're all Wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The "A player" argument is just an excuse to hire lower wage slaves from other countries while playing the political correctness game.

    e.g. We're not off-shoring or bringing in low cost talent to minimize expenses and maximize profit -- we're importing A-grade talent! Yea, that's it!!!

  97. Severance means no unemployment by plopez · · Score: 1

    In some areas. If you take the package it is income to the local unemployment office. It also counts as prior notice in some areas where prior notice is required before a layoff.

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  98. Don't A-players also job hop? by taxman_10m · · Score: 1

    I'm not really in a position to know, but I thought A-players had a tendency to job hop fairly often which it would seem to me would be problematic in a different way than B-player dead weight or whatever. If your A-players are constantly moving on to greener pastures this must have a deleterious effect on any long term projects.

  99. Cancel Netflix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  100. Re:Can you run a Tech Company on Grade A folks onl by NormalVisual · · Score: 2

    An even worse kind of rot is when you have a code base that's old, and has suffered any number of shortcut hacks and other deviations from good engineering practice. Then on top of it all, anyone that knew anything about what was done and why it was done is no longer with the organization, and because it's "maintenance work", the greenest guys get stuck on it without the knowledge or willingness to do things right, making a bad code base even worse.

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  101. Wow, what a foolish policy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Based on this I'd say that the worst under-performers at Netflix are their HR department. I bet nobody is firing them. Who in their right mind would work for those clowns now? In fact, I'm going to cancel my Netflix subscription over this. Those assholes deserve to crash and burn.

  102. Blame the employee not the system. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The cucumber gets more pickled than the brine gets cucumber. Obviously H1 is the silver bullet.

  103. Yes. it is.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or, the "not in the commodity level" but not quite "super" model winds up dating outside the model world, and for instance, dates superior software developers or people with other talents.

  104. Translation from management speak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What this means is they will hire young engineers, work them till they burn out then fire them.

    It is very unlikely that management can consistently identify highly talented individuals, they will select their favorite lackey.

    Having seen all "A" player teams inaction, they are unmanageable and distrutive, engage in endless disputes about nits andnobody and wants to do the dirty work.

  105. Ass Kissing and Back Stabbing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I worked for a company that had similar ideas. Everyone figured out that the most important job requirements were kissing management asses and stabbing colleagues backs. This obviously makes any organization a winner in any market.

  106. Dunning-Kruger effect kills the talent pool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I turned down a software job at Netflix that would have paid twice my current salary.

    Reasons:

    The hire and fire culture seemed to be a crutch for poor management skills.
    The boss is well-known to be abrasive and needs to get his way.
    The work was completely undefined. I was to show up and "be awesome", and it was up to me to determine what that meant. There was no project list.

    In the end it didn't matter how many people I already knew there, I simply could not rely on it being a steady job. I'm comfortable enough in my ability to "be awesome" from time to time, but who can possibly maintain that level of creativity and/or output on a steady basis? Consider also the Dunning-Kruger effect.

    The only thing Netflix has going for it is that they pay well. Outside of that, it seemed like a pretty crappy and almost sociopathic place to work.

  107. Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What you would talk about are designers that like to deal with big interesting problems and get some architecture up and going. You don't need the same person to finish the details they will be bad at, just hire someone who is "grade A" in the category of producing massive amounts of boring code.

    Whether you call them an architect or a designer, "big interesting problem" people who never "finish the details" will never be Grade A because they never had to deal with the devils that were hiding behind those design details. I've spent years cleaning up the crap caused by architects who perpetually run off to the next project proposal/start before the flaws in their designs appear; my experience means that my architecture designs have never had the last 20% of the task require 80% of the work.

    "Vision" refers both to the ability to see the big picture AND the ability to see the long term.

  108. Deprecated 'Rockstar', see 'A Player' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just finished a project for a company who hires only 'Bar Raisers'. Their internal ecosystem is a mess of partially documented custom tooling. Many projects named New*, Fast*, Simple*; began a few months ago, and now being replaced by yet another design addressing a scenario that could have been teased out during one or two design discussions. Lots of yes men and cowboys: Everything was estimated to take 'a few hours', and that pattern became evident after deadlines repeatedly slipped.

    That begs the question: What makes an A Player? Somebody donning a pager who is okay toiling away excess hours? Someone who volunteers to fix everything one day, then shows up sleep deprived and burned out the next (leaving everybody else blocked on WIP to boot)? A yes man/cowboy? As other commenters have pointed out; Sometimes organizational issues can stifle the potential of any sized horde of Jesus developers. In the case of my last gig: the Bar Raisers were trying to apply half effective bandages as quickly as possible to a behemoth transplant candidate, and all teams were experiencing atrophy/turnover.

    Netflix has made some fine contributions to the open source community (http://netflix.github.io/#repo). They deserve credit for sharing out well-documented, quality libraries. That said: Proclaiming your company hires only 'A Players' is run of the mill corporate executive doublespeak.

    I agree wholeheartedly that an underperformer can drag down everybody around them, and that it's crucial to remove worst practitioners as early as possible as they will pollute the codebase. However, the lack of fundamentals and consistency I witnessed at the last world-renowned technology company has left me wondering if the vectors used to differentiate the A Player have the Cowboy could use some tuning. I've experienced greater success in highly cohesive teams where greener members were grown internally (as opposed to recruited at a certain level then cast into the jungle alone).

  109. Hmmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps instead of worrying about "A" players, Netflix could put their resources to better use acquiring "A" content.

  110. Re: So easy by plopez · · Score: 2

    A European Country like Germany? With unemployment at 5.2 pct and a great social safety net I think we need to start doing this right now....

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  111. As a Netflix employee by Treskin · · Score: 1

    I work in the UI development space at Netflix, and I certainly wouldn't describe it as anything remotely close to a culture of fear. Only two people on my team in the past 3+ years have gotten let go, any they were both gross under-performers with poor attitudes.

    As far as "A players", it's not just a matter of hiring people who are good at their jobs, but also A-players from a team and interpersonal perspective. I like everyone I work with because very few people have strong or confrontational personalities. At the same time I know the people I work with are honest with me, and I feel free to be honest with them. If I mess up, I don't feel like it would be in my best interest to try and hide it or make excuses; I own up to it, and am still around after so many years. I've also never witnessed any sort of team-v-team competition.

    The visa issue is not something I've encountered, either. Not to say there aren't a number of H-1 workers -- and those tend to be exceptional talents -- but my team for example has hired around 15 people devs and testers in the past 6 months, and all of them are local talent.

    I realize this reads rosy, and some teams in the company may have different experiences, but I honestly would never leave here willingly. Keep in mind the glassdoor rating includes a lot of complains from customer service workers who were let go, and as with most internet ratings, the people who post reviews are most likely the people who are pissed off.

    1. Re:As a Netflix employee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      can you delete that fucking "Kids" menu so it stops popping up every god damn time or i'll cancel this fucking thing and pirate 100% instead of 75% of what I watch?

  112. Why by CBravo · · Score: 1

    Why is this a strategy? Why are they doing this? Because they want the best code? Or because they want the best design? Is the result only dependant on the coders?

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  113. Netflix's suckiness making more sense now. by speckman · · Score: 0

    If Netflix is so hot, so A-list, firing anyone mediocre, hiring only the best, how do they keep making such dumb mistakes? Sure, they're #1, but their instant streaming *blows* now. Their recommendation engine *blows*. It worked several years ago. I remember when they changed it over and it stopped making any sense and being of any use to me. So they're doing some things right, for sure, but now their performance makes more sense to me in light of the fact that they don't keep their talent around. I remember calling them up once and making a suggestion, which they implemented for everyone. I don't know if I was the only one or the last straw or what, but that was very impressive. But the whole qwikster thing and the total lack of anything good for their streaming service... I don't understand why they think they're such hot stuff. In my opinion, they're on their way down. Give it another couple years. Their self-produced stuff is pretty amazing, but I'm only going to activate my instant account for a month at a time to watch that stuff. I feel like a whole lot of their instant watching userbase is just there because they don't know how to get better instant streaming or because there is no better alternative for them at the moment. If they could turn around their streaming movie selection, that would be something, but I keep checking in and it just keeps getting worse.

  114. yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We should pigeonhole all new hires and discard them when they are no longer needed. Keeps rates low, and we can lower their self esteem by calling them non-"A" players.

  115. Re:#2 Regret by CEOs: Hiring the wrong person by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    not tracking vacation pay is a scam to not pay vacation when someone is fired.

  116. A-Player bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've heard the A-player bullshit before. And from what I've seen A-players they:

    • Write ummaintainable code because more abstraction is always better.
    • Introduce newer paradigms, while not changing working paradigms to match and expect other developers to just know which one to use
    • Write their own framework where an existing one already does exactly that.
    • Introduce newer and better systems that duplicate existing functionality. (Rabbit MQ no ActiveMQ is better!), and leave the old system in place.
    • Actually believe Maria DB is better than MySQL; same shit different name.
    • Introduce code and naming conventions which are carved in stone; which happen to conform to their personal coding style. (While others find having to read method definitions that wrap across 4 lines difficult to read.).

    And remember the A-team never actually managed to hit shit.

  117. Re:Can you run a Tech Company on Grade A folks onl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's an 80:20% rule. Most engineers only like to do the first 80% of a project, not the non-sexy last 20%. I don't think that's a problem about A-players, it's a generic problem. Personally I think an A-player who leaves something at 80% is not an A-player. The 20% of "details" is what makes the product shine on another quality level. If someone can't see that, he or she is not so smart, or lazy, and in any case not an A-player. An A-player delivers the whole thing.

    I'm actually one of those developers that like the 20% part. I enjoy those last minute details and actually releasing a product and the companies I work for seem to understand the importance in that endeavor.

  118. Neutron Jack said this a long time ago. by tomhath · · Score: 1

    When Jack Welch was CEO of General Electric he fired 10% of of his managers every year, and told the survivors do the same to their subordinates. Constantly purge the bottom and try to back fill with better. I also note that Patty McCord is the ex-Chief Talent Officer; no reason given for her departure...

  119. Same bullshit, different wrapper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the same as the statement by companies, "We only hire from the top 20% of universities."

    For illumination on this topic, read
    "The Ropes to Skip and the Ropes to Know," by Ritti & Levy
    http://goo.gl/KOBO1i
    Every word is true.

  120. Gotta work on my SO by WOOFYGOOFY · · Score: 1

    I see I have to work on my SO to drop Netflix now. She likes it but I think the're really not that many good things on it at all, just sort of a lot of crappy teenage movies with a few decent series . You can't even search their database of movies in a decent way. But if you're going to take my money, abuse your employees and warp the system to hurt ME, well, I think it's time for us to come to a partings of the ways.

    I take it as a project; it's just a matter of time now for Netflix at my house.

  121. upper management too? by tverbeek · · Score: 1

    Considering what a clusterfuck the upper management of Netflix is (remember that brain-dead plan to split the company in two?), it's time to apply that "A" standard to them as well.

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  122. How do you find enough A players? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How do you find enough employees if 90% of the country's population is deemed unworthy of jobs?
    Pay all of them really well, at least top 10% wages, some of them more.
    Oh, you don't want to actually pay people like A players, you just want them to work like A players. Then it's much harder.

  123. Re: So easy by ducomputergeek · · Score: 1

    Funny, when I was living in Germany a little over a decade ago the unemployment was around 9% and actually dismantled some of that great social net. Guess that worked out for them...

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  124. Re:'A' Players Make a Lot of Questionable Decision by epyT-R · · Score: 1

    They're the largest in their field and have little real competition, so they must be doing something right.

    Actually, it is more probable that they get away with fucking up because they're the only game in town.

    The movies get reencoded anyway.. They certainly don't just rip the blu-ray streams from disc and stream them as-is as the bandwidth required for those files is huge (20-50Mbit).. VC-1 is basically the 'pro' variant of windows media video, which silverlight probably has the best support for. It's also possible that the studios give netflix the elementary streams for each title which are then wrapped in DRM and containers by netflix's stream servers.

  125. Re:'A' Players Make a Lot of Questionable Decision by epyT-R · · Score: 1

    flash does offer drm video streaming..

  126. Re:Can you run a Tech Company on Grade A folks onl by swillden · · Score: 1

    Here's the problem. Grade A people expect to do grade A work. In almost every organization there is a ton of work that doesn't fit into this category but still needs attention. Code gets old and has to be updated, and there's a ton of work that doesn't require the brightest and best but still has to be done.

    "Doesn't require" isn't the same as "can't benefit from". You just need some grade A software maintainers, guys who, rather than just plodding through updating all that old code, will build tools to automate the updates, and will do it intelligently so the same tool can easily be applied to the next dozen maintenance problems as well. Code is also data.

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  127. Re:Can you run a Tech Company on Grade A folks onl by swillden · · Score: 1

    Code doesn't rot like organic matter.

    Yes, it does. Well, the mechanisms and the details of the process are different, but the effect is the same.

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  128. Unfortunately they can not find self-starters by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sort of: they use torrenting stats to work out what's popular and acquire licences to stream it.

    Netflix, Microsoft, Google, Facebook, and many others, are actively looking for fresh talents in the same pool as me.

    Yes, I am constantly looking for talents.

    But unlike them, I do not look for "A Players".

    No matter if the "A" is of the academic or of "Type A personality", people do change, with time.

    What I look for are the self-starters - and I have found plenty of self-starters, both from America and from elsewhere in the world.

    What is ridiculous in this "talent race" is that those who are doing the hiring do not even have any idea what they are looking for.

    It's so very easy to say "I look for 'A'" but often they end up with people who may have a pretty resume but ain't those who will do things ON THEIR OWN without being told to.

    Even the startups that I invest in I look for self-starters.

    People may have really cool ideas but if they are NOT of the self-start type, ideas will forever stay IDEAS, and will never become a reality.

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    1. Re:Unfortunately they can not find self-starters by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      Wish I could mod this up.

    2. Re:Unfortunately they can not find self-starters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry for posting AC, I'm on a public connection.

      During the last round of hiring, I put a water cooler in my office along with a stack of styrofoam cups. I filled two cups and offered one with a strategic pinhole in the bottom to each prospective employee. The hole doesn't become obvious until the first time they lift the cup to drink out of it. I saw some creative solutions to the leaky cup problem but the guy I hired was the only one who excused himself to get some paper towel to clean up the water on my desk.

  129. Now your job is a reality show by cowdung · · Score: 1

    Would you like to work at "Survivor" all the time?

    So every week we "vote" someone out of the company?

    What Netflix is missing is that employee loyalty comes with an implicit "employer" loyalty as well. People should feel that they have a future where they work and that they can invest in the place.

    A nice severance is fine if you're 20 years old.. but if you're 50 and you get fired it may be your last job (don't think age isn't a factor).

    As others have pointed out Microsoft tried out a similar strategy.. that didn't pan out so well for them.

    A company needs to have a certain level of humanity and morality. Not everything is about money and performance metrics. There are people and families involved as well. As a company owner myself I firmly believe that I need to care about "my people" or otherwise why should they care about me?

    Another factor here is that hiring is VERY EXPENSIVE.. and training as well. Also corporate know-how is in its people.

    Netfilix may be ok.. but their UI is certainly not an A-game.. (I have quite a bit of trouble finding and browsing with it)
    So their magic results are not a given in my opinion.

    People are not pieces of machinery to play with and then discard. These people have forgotten their moral/human obligations toward their people. They think only stock holders matter. That is what is wrong with a lot of corporations these days.

  130. sure thing by bcboy · · Score: 1

    I can't believe anyone is taking this seriously. Every valley company claims to hire only the best. It's marketing bs that upper management sells to themselves, and to gullible new hires. They've been doing this for decades.

  131. Cynical, but true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doesn't matter if you're an A player for most of your career. When you hit 50, you're automatically demoted.

  132. Re:'A' Players Make a Lot of Questionable Decision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey! Why do you bother posting well thought out replies to idiots that clearly have no idea what they're talking about?

  133. A-player architect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Give me an A-player architect who doesn't actually write code and bunch of lazy B-player Senior Software engineers any day.

    You'll have a rock solid system that's more efficient and cheaper to maintain, than the overly abstracted systems where half the system is being constantly refactored for something better created by the A-Players.

    1. Re:A-player architect by BonThomme · · Score: 1

      "Give me an A-player architect who doesn't actually write code"

      About as useful as a mechanic who doesn't drive.

  134. This is evil HR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I double dare the HR people in this place to consider the actual and extensive implications of "The Peter Principle revisted" becuase if they can't then they aren't able to understand what an "A" player is, especially in the presence of stack-ranking.

    It provides a set of very valuable frameworks including:
    - how often should you measure to provide informative evaluations of performance
    - how does age-out and selection interact with organization structure. Here is a hint: most structures are built so that it is meaningless to hire above the 90th percentile - you could fill it with 99%-ers and it can only output less than them. Structure and talent interact.
    - how does the enduring good or bad impact of a leader in branch impact tomorrows performance?

    They aren't qualified to wrap their heads around the basic math, or ask what it means, but they are arrogant to assume they already understand it. This sounds like a good recipe for non-exceptionalism.

  135. random numbers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone should do a study of an HR department to test the following hypothesis: HR's evaluation methods are better than random chance. Is there any evidence to support this hypothesis?

  136. I knew there was a reason by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

    I didn't give netflix any of my money.

  137. Re:'A' Players Make a Lot of Questionable Decision by BonThomme · · Score: 1

    funny, I thought it was because Reed was on Microsoft's BoD...

  138. Re:Can you run a Tech Company on Grade A folks onl by BonThomme · · Score: 1

    You're right. It decays like radioactive waste.

  139. But the unworthy of jobs can buy their shit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I say fuck companies who think this crap! Who are they to deem Americans unworthy of their jobs? Who does she think is going to buy her products and services? Yeah those same unworthy lazy Americans! I'm happy to say that I don't own any Apple products because of this attitude and I have never purchased Netflix content.
    As far as I'm concerned it's time to boycott companies who feel we are the dirt on the floor for them to walk on. Let me add this also; A&E can kiss my ass too! I don't watch the channel because I don't have cable TV! I don't have cable TV because the cables companies treat it's customers like shit also! Stop supporting these bastards and they will get the message one customer at a time! Time to stand up to these corporate wannabe gods!

  140. Too bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Too bad the quality of the product does not hold up to the quality you expect from an 'A-player only' culture.

  141. Re:'A' Players Make a Lot of Questionable Decision by thejynxed · · Score: 1

    I believe it may be because they use Apple's native player for iOS when the Netflix app detects an iOS device so it bypasses the normal Silverlight/Windows Media Player requirement for VC-1 (VC-1 is also supported under Apple's native media player on iOS due to cross-licensing from MS).

    I know the player itself seems to work a bit differently between my Nook (Android) and my PC or laptop for instance (and the load/seek times are vastly different as well).

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  142. totally as expected by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lots of angry Slashdot "geniuses" around here explaining why a successful company can't possibly be successful at what they do. Lots of angry B-listers who can't hack it competitively and want mommy gov't to step in and guarantee jobs for their lazy asses.

    You're predictable, Slashtards. Way too predictable for a self-appointed intellectual elite.

  143. Laissez faire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your disconnect is conflating central planning with corporate-controlled government. Personally I don't think that having a charter has anything to do with the subject of business entities controlling the government. Whether it is an incorporated entity or not, it is in no sense responsible to the People.

    If you have some idea that there is any movement towards actual laissez-faire capitalism, I believe that you would be quite mistaken. Despite the hordes of would-be anarcho-capitalists, the "socialist" notion that making a buck is not the raison d'etre of humanity seems to have remarkable staying power. Laws and restraints on trade proliferate, thank God, and those misanthropes who are willing to undo the progress of 100 years of workers' rights and social support have neither the political will they imagine nor the courage to live outside the bounds of the society they deride.

  144. "A" players? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So the great minds behind Qwikster know what an "A" player is?

  145. Netflix are 'C' Players by betterprimate · · Score: 1

    For the senior web developers out there, browse to netflix.com, view source, and have a fun time critiquing. Netflix consists of average developers.

  146. "although management is often complicit in this by by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Complicit? Heck, management is often the finest example of this.

  147. And yet, Netflix sucks.... by arctother · · Score: 1

    And yet, Netflix sucks more and more every year -- I am always discovering new titles which they no longer carry... So this strategy must really be working for them, huh? And what kind of "innovation" do they really need from their employees anyway? Guys, you just deliver streaming video. How could that be rocket science?

  148. Netflix, GE, Mediocre Company X... by obscuro · · Score: 1

    This explains a LOT about why Netflix is such a pathetic, stagnant piece of shit. "A players..." - who hires someone who even talks like that?

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  149. Re: So easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    eventually dumb pigs take over and shit up every good thing

  150. Good example of why they're not really A-list by speckman · · Score: 0

    Nobody's figured out yet to tell the user to put their barcode facing the window in the mailer. I mean I figured it out when I noticed the window.. but there's nothing on the envelope, no email I remember getting, nothing on the website that's telling me obviously hey, turn it this way. Seems to me like they might just be propagating a certain culture that appears to be A-list but is really missing a whole segment of people who would think of obvious things like this... or not continue such a stupid recommendation engine (unless it changed recently, haven't paid attention, but it used to be just stupid inaccurate, a change from being pretty useful in the early days). I guess I can understand their lack of streaming titles if it's just due to the Hollywood companies not selling rights, but I have to wonder if they're just clueless about how much their streaming sucks content-wise for anybody who's actually watched a few movies.

    But for all I know, they send out emails to people who fail to turn the barcode in the right direction. I dunno. I just started doing it years ago and actually got confirmation that it's the right thing to do by some post up top. :) I mean yeah, it seemed like the right thing to do. There's just no text on the mailer that says "this direction please."

  151. Sue by Aqualung812 · · Score: 1

    So, I'm not following you on Slashdot, but this is the second time I've seen your link to Sue's page.
    I have to say, I love the way you continue to tell the world what a special woman she was.

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    Grammer Nazis - I mod you "troll" unless you actually add something on-topic. Yes, I know I have mispellings in my sig.
    1. Re:Sue by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      Thanks and I'm trying to not sound like a broken record. Sue and I were an improbable couple that were together simply because we wanted to be together more than we wanted anything else. I also mention her because there seems to be so many instances where I hope someone could have something like what we had and/or would open their eyes, hearts and minds to the possibilities out there - especially if they'd let go of, or ignore, all the crap that gets in the way.

      Sue lost a few friends because they couldn't wrap their heads around her dating someone 19 years younger, but our relationship lasted longer (or would have, had she lived) than all of theirs. As for me, ya my heart is crushed but I'd do it all over again, even if I knew, and couldn't change, the outcome. I'd rather have 5 minutes with Sue than a lifetime w/o her. As it turns out, I'm lucky and cursed enough to get both - 20 years with her and 1/2 a lifetime without...

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      It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
  152. Maybe Meritocracy is a total myth. by bbsalem · · Score: 1

    If we doubt the competency of colleagues and managers to objectivity evaluate one another, especially in the hiring and firing decisions, that negates the result that such as system is a meritocracy, since evaluation of merit would not be reliable. In fact it becomes the same old political system with the social interactions having a far greater weight, even in technical work, and just like non-technical working conditions.

    The argument for "Meritocracy" is then just a ruse. It is another way for people with the power to make such decisions to retain the right to decide who gets hired and who gets fired in the way they have always done.

  153. Hardly an A product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Judging by the buggy interface on my television, Netflix is NOT actually staffing A-players.