Slashdot Mirror


Dogs' Brains Have Human-like "Voice Area"

sciencehabit writes "When you hear a friend's voice, you immediately picture her, even if you can't see her. And from the tone of her speech, you quickly gauge if she's happy or sad. You can do all of this because your human brain has a 'voice area.' Now, scientists using brain scanners and a crew of eager dogs have discovered that dog brains, too, have dedicated voice areas. The finding helps explain how canines can be so attuned to their owners' feelings."

86 of 139 comments (clear)

  1. attuned to their owners' feelings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Of course this area of the brain is missing in CEO's and political pundits..

    1. Re: attuned to their owners' feelings by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Wait you think politics is about the constituents?

      --
      Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
    2. Re: attuned to their owners' feelings by noh8rz10 · · Score: 1

      I was going to comment on the nature of the study, but your sig captures it better.

  2. Dogs are best by cfalcon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I love all these studies that constantly come out showing that dogs are, well, loving, loyal, and built to hang around humans. Of COURSE they are. Dogs are domesticated, and like, are the best thing ever.

    I would like to see more studies about how flexible these relatively large changes are, and how fast they can occur. We all know about the Russion project to make "dogs out of foxes" by domesticating foxes by choosing them based on friendliness:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D...

    Do these little foxes have a section where they are mirroring the dogs? In other words, is this morphological change something that happens when an animal is domesticated into a pet, or are dogs just special because awwwww doggie?

    1. Re:Dogs are best by pushing-robot · · Score: 4, Informative

      This study was the first to actually look for a "voice center" in a non-primate. It seems more likely a great many animals have one, much as it may disappoint exceptionalists.

      --
      How can I believe you when you tell me what I don't want to hear?
    2. Re:Dogs are best by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      Then why are domesitcated cats so dissimilar to domesticated dogs? It doesn't seem to be consistent across all domestications.

    3. Re:Dogs are best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Because until very recently domesticated cats didn't interact directly with humans. Their job was pest control. Dogs on the other hand have had intimate relationships with humans for millennia, whether as working animals or pets, and have evolved to communicate and bond with us directly. That makes dogs exceptionally unique.

      OTOH, just because they're so unique doesn't necessarily mean that any particular characteristic is unique among all other species. But all their traits in the aggregate make them uniquely symbiotic with humans.

    4. Re:Dogs are best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or as much as it may annoy humans who really hate any studies that prove we're not so different from other animals?

    5. Re:Dogs are best by pushing-robot · · Score: 1

      The simplest explanation is that the ancestors of domestic cats were a solitary species and so a region of the brain that aids in social interaction would be an ill use of resources.

      Cats are at an evolutionary disadvantage compared to other domesticated animals, which are almost all social and equipped with the biological tools for living in a pack or herd.

      Perhaps if prehistoric man had been been more daring and domesticated lions instead of F. silvestris...

      --
      How can I believe you when you tell me what I don't want to hear?
    6. Re:Dogs are best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The reason is another, the dogs are descendants of the wolves with are social animals that live in a pack with complex relations, the cats are solitary animals that in nature only socialize in rare occasions. Basically the dog is a domesticated social animal while the cat is a domesticated solitary animal that we are teaching to socialize. Actually almost all canids are social animals while near all felines are solitary, the only social feline that I know are the lions.

    7. Re:Dogs are best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Dogs on the other hand have had intimate relationships with humans for millennia, whether as working animals or pets, and have evolved to communicate and bond with us directly. That makes dogs exceptionally unique.

      What about sheep?

    8. Re:Dogs are best by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2, Funny

      What about sheep?

      This is a family oriented web site. Take your perversions over to /b/.

      --
      Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
    9. Re:Dogs are best by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

      Cats are at an evolutionary disadvantage...

      I see you highlighting a difference while offering no convincing evidence that this is a disadvantage.

      (Hey, somebody's got to stick up for the little furry dole-bludgers.)

      --
      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
    10. Re:Dogs are best by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Precisely, cats were not so much "domesticated" as attracted to rodents that were attracted to human garbage. Dogs and humans often make inter-species "friendships" for mutual benefit, the Coyote and the Badger is just one such example. It's more a less a given that highly intelligent pack hunters such as humans and dogs would combine their natural hunting skills.

      --
      And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
    11. Re:Dogs are best by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Because cats domesticted us.

      --
      systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
    12. Re:Dogs are best by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      It's nice that they have now found it, as we have known it must exist for a while. Cats in particular learn not only to interpret their servant's voices but also to mimic them to a degree. Not talking or anything like that, but it is known that cats learn to produce sounds similar to human babies to encourage a better level of service from their staff.

      I find it very interesting that animals can process human voices this way. Clearly humans can learn to interpret animal sounds, but it seems that mammals with much smaller brains can too.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    13. Re:Dogs are best by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Cat's offer a very different experience for humans, which is also why they do so well. Cats are more independent and have their own little lives and affairs, which human beings find interesting and enjoyable to observe. By chance evolution has given them personalities and behavioural traits that humans find it easy to anthropomorphize. Their voices are also capable of making sounds similar to human babies and other things that cause human beings to naturally fawn over them and attend to their needs.

      Cats have had a unique relationship with humans for millennia, e.g. in ancient Egyptian culture or Japanese mythology. Domestication for pleasure took longer because most humans didn't have spare resources to give over to them, and unlike dogs they are self sufficient.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    14. Re:Dogs are best by Talderas · · Score: 1

      It would be interesting to know what breeds they tested. The article pictures shows golden retrievers and border collies. Basically the two of the dog breeds which are among the best and most domesticated and socialized to humans. I would like to see this research done with some of the more independent breeds, like siberian huskies, and if they also have the same responses.

      --
      "Lack of speed can be overcome. In the worst case by patience." --Znork
    15. Re:Dogs are best by 3.5+stripes · · Score: 1

      They tested those dogs because they were the easiest to train to sit still while in a CAT scanner.

      --


      He tried to kill me with a forklift!
    16. Re:Dogs are best by WormholeFiend · · Score: 1

      Let me google that for you:
      Sheep Are Highly Adept at Recognizing Faces, Study Shows
      http://news.nationalgeographic...

    17. Re:Dogs are best by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

      Through behavioral studies we already knew that dogs are very good at reading human facial emotions. We also know that wolves (which they are descended from) are not any good at that at all.

      So one possibility is that dogs have uniquely evolved this capacity for understanding humans, and you won't find any serious "voice center" or "face center" in other animals, even the wolves (which are arguably the same species).

      Another possibility is that understanding vocalizations and physical expressions is an important feature in any animal that has to cooperate with others of its species every day to survive, and thus you will find it to some extent in any "social animal".

      Another possibility is that this is just some latent brain feature found in all mammals.

      It will be interesting to see which it ends up being.

    18. Re:Dogs are best by satuon · · Score: 1

      It's important to remember that dogs are descended from a particular subspecies of wolf - Gray Wolves, and not, for example, Black Wolves.

    19. Re:Dogs are best by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Wolves raised by humans from birth do not communicate as well with humans as most domestic dogs (or so I've read.) A domestic dog will learn to look where you point, a wolf will look at your hand.

      --
      Contribute to civilization: ari.aynrand.org/donate
    20. Re:Dogs are best by Optali · · Score: 1

      What do we need mind controlling aliens for? We already have cats controlling our brainz since more than 9000 years ago and taking over the intertubes!!

      --
      -- 29A the number of the Beast
    21. Re:Dogs are best by mendax · · Score: 1

      This study was the first to actually look for a "voice center" in a non-primate. It seems more likely a great many animals have one, much as it may disappoint exceptionalists.

      I am pretty sure that my beloved evil black cat knows my voice quite well. Indeed, she not only has figured out my voice, she's figured out everything else. She's highly manipulative. While I have trouble training her, she's got me well-trained.

      --
      It's really quite a simple choice: Life, Death, or Los Angeles.
    22. Re:Dogs are best by mendax · · Score: 1

      'cause cats couldn't care less what your mood is :-)

      That actually is not true. My experience is that my evil cat knows when I'm in a evil mood myself. She stays away. She also knows when I'm sick or feeling sad.

      --
      It's really quite a simple choice: Life, Death, or Los Angeles.
    23. Re:Dogs are best by mendax · · Score: 1

      Cats are at an evolutionary disadvantage compared to other domesticated animals, which are almost all social and equipped with the biological tools for living in a pack or herd.

      Ordinary domestic pussycats do just fine living in groups. That's one of the reasons why they do well living with humans and with other cats and dogs as well. But cats are solitary hunters, unlike dogs and wolves which hunt in packs.

      --
      It's really quite a simple choice: Life, Death, or Los Angeles.
  3. Proof dogs talk: by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Here is an example conversation:

    Me: "What's on top of the house?"

    Dog: "Roof!"

    Me: "Who's the most famous baseball player?"

    Dog: "Ruth!"

    Me: "How does sand-paper feel?"

    Dog: "Rough!"

    3 out 3!

    1. Re:Proof dogs talk: by Freshly+Exhumed · · Score: 2

      At long last, after years of cutting-edge experimentation, enormous expense, and groundbreaking surgical techniques, a team of scientists conducts a press conference featuring their most successful patient, Shaggy, who has been given the linguistic equivalence of a 10 year-old child. To each and every question posed by the eager reporters, Shaggy replies in delight:

      "I'm a good boy!"

      --
      I deny that I have not avoided attaining the opposite of that which I do not want.
    2. Re:Proof dogs talk: by Frohboy · · Score: 4, Funny

      I personally prefer the version where a guy is showing his friend his new talking dog.

      New dog owner: Hey Sparky, what's on top of the house?
      Sparky: Roof!

      New dog owner: Hey Sparky, how does sandpaper feel?
      Sparky: Rough!

      New dog owner: Hey Sparky, who was the best baseball player of all time?
      Sparky: Ruth!

      Friend: Come on, you expect me to believe this bullshit?

      Sparky: What? You think I should have gone with DiMaggio?

    3. Re:Proof dogs talk: by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Squirrel!

      --
      systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
    4. Re:Proof dogs talk: by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1
      --
      systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
    5. Re:Proof dogs talk: by dargaud · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of this french and untranslatable joke:
      Un fermier montre son cochon 'qui sait compter' à un ami. Il lui demande "7 plus 2 ?"
      Le cochon: "neuf! neuf! neuf!"
      Le fermier: "3 fois 3 ?"
      Le cochon: "neuf! neuf! neuf!"
      Le fermier: "36 divisé par4 ?"
      Le cochon: "neuf! neuf! neuf!"
      L'ami: "N'miporte quoi, il dit toujour 'neuf' ton cochon. Tiens, 4 fois 2 ?"
      Le cochon: "neuf! neuf! neuf!"
      Sur ce le fermier lui met un grand coup de pied dans les parties et le cochon fait "Huiiiiiit! Huiiiiiiiiit!"

      --
      Non-Linux Penguins ?
    6. Re:Proof dogs talk: by ThatsDrDangerToYou · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of this french and untranslatable joke: Un fermier montre son cochon 'qui sait compter' à un ami. Il lui demande "7 plus 2 ?" Le cochon: "neuf! neuf! neuf!" Le fermier: "3 fois 3 ?" Le cochon: "neuf! neuf! neuf!" Le fermier: "36 divisé par4 ?" Le cochon: "neuf! neuf! neuf!" L'ami: "N'miporte quoi, il dit toujour 'neuf' ton cochon. Tiens, 4 fois 2 ?" Le cochon: "neuf! neuf! neuf!" Sur ce le fermier lui met un grand coup de pied dans les parties et le cochon fait "Huiiiiiit! Huiiiiiiiiit!"

      Well, yeah, pigs are pretty smart. .. but even French pigs have no style. Riddle me that!

    7. Re:Proof dogs talk: by slampman · · Score: 2, Funny

      Guy is walking down the street and he sees a sign in the window of a house: For sale: talking dog.

      Guy thinks to himself, "yeah, right," but he's intrigued, so he knocks.

      A man answers the door, "yeah?"

      "Your sign says you have a talking dog for sale?

      "Yeah."

      "Really. Can I see him?"

      Gesturing to the sliding glass door at the back of the room, "yeah, he's out the back. Go ahead."

      Guy walks out the patio door and sure enough, there's a big Labrador sitting in the back yard. Guy says, "hey, boy.."

      Dog says "pleased to meet you.

      Guy, taken aback, stammers.. "you.. you really can talk?

      Dog says "yup. I can talk."

      Guy is floored. "What the hell! How did this happen? How did you, a talking dog, come to be here?"

      The dog explains, "well, I knew I was different from the time I was a puppy. I had this gift of speech and I felt I had to use it for good. I contacted the government and they placed me with the CIA as a deep mole. I did some very dangerous work for years, and it came time I needed to get out. So they transferred me to the TSA and I did some eavesdropping and terrorist-sniffing in our nation's airports. Now, being older, I knew it was time to settle down, so I retired, met a nice chocolate lab bitch, and we have six beautiful puppies."

      The guy is amazed and thrilled. He runs back into the house, "that dog is amazing! How much do you want for him?"

      "Ten dollars."

      "Ten dollars?? For that amazing dog? But.. why? Why so cheap?"

      "Why so cheap? That dog is a fucking liar. He never did any of that shit."

  4. Cat got your brain? by rmdingler · · Score: 3, Interesting
    There is an equally interesting hypothesis that dogs are well-suited to human companionship

    because they learn to mimic our facial expressions with fair accuracy.

    Cats have been reported to be developing smaller brains since their domestication. Whatever it takes, I guess.

    --
    Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.

    Ernest Hemingway

    1. Re:Cat got your brain? by TrollstonButterbeans · · Score: 1

      Quit getting your news from a female talk show program.

      Dogs and humans have been living with each other for tens of thousands of years -- so there are several thousand generations of dogs co-evolving with humans.

      There is not a recent mystery here, there is not a coincidence here.

      This relationship predates the written word -- although probably not cave art.

      --
      Priest: "Universe from nothing, no laws of physics, sped up time"+ huge discrepancies. Creationism? No. Big Bang Theory
    2. Re:Cat got your brain? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      because they learn to mimic our facial expressions with fair accuracy.

      Mimic? Do they even have enough facial muscles to do that?

      I did hear, however, that they can interpret our facial expressions better than most chimps.

      --
      systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
    3. Re:Cat got your brain? by volmtech · · Score: 1

      My daughter's miniature dachshund has learned how to smile. She lowers the front of her bottom lip. Looks pretty creepy actually. She also "talks". Her best words are yep, uh huh, and I love you. She knows dozens of spoken words. Saying kisses will get you a mouth full of dog tongue, the word "treats" will get her and rest of the pack into the kitchen and standing on their backs legs begging. And I used to hate dogs.

    4. Re:Cat got your brain? by rmdingler · · Score: 1

      Quit getting your news from a female talk show program.

      I'm Ricki Lake, you insensitive clod.

      --
      Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.

      Ernest Hemingway

    5. Re:Cat got your brain? by Zebedeu · · Score: 1

      Cats have been reported to be developing smaller brains since their domestication. Whatever it takes, I guess.

      Dogs also tend have smaller brains than wolves the same size.

    6. Re:Cat got your brain? by AlabamaCajun · · Score: 1

      That would be a shocker since cats already have a more complex cortex than dogs. Is one smarter than the other? depends on how you look at it.
      Back on subject, cats are also vocalizers as we have several that mimic their names. I can only assume they here us using phonetic sounds that they perceive as chrips and cries. So yes I have witnessed is in dogs, cats and birds. When my fish start then I'm out of here.

    7. Re:Cat got your brain? by metaforest · · Score: 1

      More recent genetic comparisons I have read about suggest the link between Hominids and Canines may go back over several hundred thousand years. Which makes the divergence from C. Lupis a little more believable. It has only been over the last ten thousand years that humans have been directly asserting control over canine breeding.

      A Half-million years, or so, is reasonably long enough to see changes in body organs, (such as the brain) as an organism adapts to fill a niche.

    8. Re:Cat got your brain? by crypticedge · · Score: 1

      And saying "Bad kitty" gets both of my cats under the bed for 20-30 minutes, and a lap full of apologetic cat in an hour. Animals learn words they hear frequently, and make reactions based on that.

  5. Questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Ever notice how when you ask a dog a question, it almost always tilts its head and gives you a puzzled look? Cracks me up every time.

    1. Re:Questions by Xest · · Score: 2

      It's amusing because it does make them look a bit special, but it is in itself a sign of their intelligence. It's believed that dogs tilt their heads because the muzzle obscures part of their vision and by doing so it allows them to better see your facial expressions when looking at you - in particular your mouth.

      The fact you're asking a question and they do this shows that they're aware that you're asking something of them and they're trying to interpret what you're asking of them, this is one of the reasons dogs are deemed to be particularly intelligent because they can read meaning in your voice and do look for other cues as to what you're asking of them.

    2. Re:Questions by NikeHerc · · Score: 1

      Ever notice how when you ask a dog a question, it almost always tilts its head and gives you a puzzled look?

      When I want to demonstrate my dog's pronounced head tilting to others, I speak to my dog (a Border Collie mix) in complete sentences. The degree of tilt she displays seems to depend on whether she understands the word and likely the importance of the word. For example, "momma" or "treat" generates noticeably more tilt than "bath".

      --
      Circle the wagons and fire inward. Entropy increases without bounds.
  6. wow by MrEricSir · · Score: 3, Funny

    so human
    much voice like
    wow
    many feelings
    very dedicated

    --
    There's no -1 for "I don't get it."
    1. Re:wow by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Is that supposed to be a haiku? Otherwise, I will indeed have to mod you -1, I don't get it.

      --
      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
  7. It goes both way by tomhath · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you've been around dogs much you can get a pretty good idea of their emotional state by their vocalizations. Not just the obvious growl or excited yipping, even straight barks have an inflection that tells you a lot.

    It shouldn't surprise anyone that an animal which can vocalize emotion has a brain that can pick it up as well

    1. Re:It goes both way by TrollstonButterbeans · · Score: 2

      "It shouldn't surprise anyone that an animal which can vocalize emotion has a brain that can pick it up as well"

      Find me a mammal that doesn't vocalize. Hell, find me a bird. Aw shit --- find me an amphibian that doesn't vocalize.

      Aw for fucks sake, crickets make noises and locusts make noises to communicate with each other.

      Maybe -- just maybe --- life has communicated with noises for a long, long, long time.

      --
      Priest: "Universe from nothing, no laws of physics, sped up time"+ huge discrepancies. Creationism? No. Big Bang Theory
    2. Re:It goes both way by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Hell, find me a bird.

      An avian that vocalises, or are you just a lonely cockney?

      --
      systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
    3. Re:It goes both way by dargaud · · Score: 1

      It shouldn't surprise anyone that an animal which can vocalize emotion has a brain that can pick it up as well

      Well, you obviously don't have a cat...

      --
      Non-Linux Penguins ?
  8. et tu human by rmdingler · · Score: 2
    My dogs bark all the time, and frequently at things I don't need to be notified about.

    But when they do bark at real trouble, there's a different sound in it.

    The inflection angle goes both ways.

    --
    Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.

    Ernest Hemingway

    1. Re: et tu human by TrollstonButterbeans · · Score: 1

      "My dogs bark all the time, and frequently at things I don't need to be notified about.
      But when they do bark at real trouble, there's a different sound in it. "

      If you just now realized this, I hope you have the very uncommon relationship where your dog is the owner and you are the pet.

      --
      Priest: "Universe from nothing, no laws of physics, sped up time"+ huge discrepancies. Creationism? No. Big Bang Theory
    2. Re: et tu human by ketomax · · Score: 1

      Dogs' Brains Have Human-like "Voice Area"

      So, human brains do have a doggy like "Bark Area"!

    3. Re: et tu human by Zebedeu · · Score: 1

      That actually makes sense, and wouldn't surprise me at all.
      Considering that dogs and humans have evolved together for the last thousands of years, if dogs' brains have adapted, why wouldn't ours' have as well?

    4. Re: et tu human by deadweight · · Score: 1

      My dogs, when outside, have a very different bark for "Hey look at that! A dog/cat/mailman/anything that moves/etc. is visible through the fence" and "let me in". They also lie. If they bark at me while I am watching TV, I ask if they want bones or to go out. They point at the kitchen or the door with their noses. They learned I always let them out - don't want to clean up dog crap - but only give them bones sometimes. So they ALWAYS point at the door and then if they want bones circle back to the kitchen.

  9. also by Charliemopps · · Score: 4, Funny

    My dogs "fart area" of the brain is very similar to a humans.

    1. Re:also by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They say a dog's sense of smell is thousands of times better than a human's. Yet when my dog would rip one, she'd twist around and take a close whiff of it. Sheesh, it would drive me out of the room.

    2. Re:also by phorm · · Score: 1

      They also like to roll in crap and/or eat it (when it comes from other animals). They may have a more "sensitive" sense of smell but it doesn't mean they're attracted/repelled by the same smells as humans.

      That said, my buddy's dog - a doberman - dropped a few gas-bombs on him, so he decided to fight back after eating some rather greasy food. Now all he has to do is turn his backside towards the dog as if he's farting, and its eyes grow wife, ears perk, and it runs for the hills. It's pretty funny to see a huge powerful dog scared of one man's arse.

  10. picture? by rubycodez · · Score: 1

    no, I do not picture my coworker and friend's butt-ugly mug when I hear their voice

  11. I talk to my dog by Badblackdog · · Score: 1

    My yellow lab understands words and picks up on the tone of my voice. Listens better than my kids.

    1. Re:I talk to my dog by tomhath · · Score: 1

      Pfft. This guy talks to his dog, and the dog listens Skidboot

    2. Re: I talk to my dog by Badblackdog · · Score: 1

      Skidboot will blow your mind.

  12. I wonder... by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

    What scans of Alex the African-Gray parrot would have shown. Or any talking bird for that matter. Actually, I would guess that many birds have a similar "voice region". Dolphins and whales too for that matter.

  13. Dog smarts by Strange+Ranger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We've had carefully selected Golden Retrievers in our extended family for 30 years. For a point of reference this is a breed that's ranked #5 in intelligence compared to all breeds. Our family dog is amazingly human-like, even after carefully trying not to anthropomorphize him and our feelings about him.
     
    He has a vocabulary of about 50 words. He understands short sentences, or at least enough words in them to understand what we mean. "Go upstairs and find your ball", "Hey I put food in your bowl", "Go see your mom" (since he's an adopted pet we're his adoptive parents, dogs are not things to own). He responds like a human. He can practically tell you a whole story with his facial expressions. He can roll his eyes sort of by looking at the ceiling and making a face when he thinks we're being ridiculous, and it's different than a similar face when he thinks we're being obtuse. He even has a favorite movie, Snow Dogs. He pays close attention to the dogs and has done the eyeroll to the ceiling thing when the humans start making out. He cracks us up daily.
     
    We've all seen a dog lift an eyebrow and tilt their head to say "what the heck are you talking about?" Tip of the iceberg. When you have a really smart one for a decade it's like having a furry kid in the family. A very well behaved one, but there you go.
     
    I sort of feel sorry for people who never get to be "dog people", call a dog "it" and think the rest of us are crazy and just anthropomorphizing our pet. Most of us "dog people" don't need these studies to tell us anything. But I'm still glad they're studying.

    --

    Operator, give me the number for 911!
    1. Re:Dog smarts by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Right up until he hacks your router to disguise his addiction to online dog porn.

    2. Re:Dog smarts by TapeCutter · · Score: 3, Informative

      I once had a litter of pups running around my back yard. Getting out of the back door was difficult because they would all rush inside when I opened it. One day I opened the door to go outside and sure enough a small herd of 6wk old pups came running up the stairs yapping excitedly. However on this occasion they stopped half way up the stairs and ran back down and around the side of the house. They went back and forth from me to the side of the house several times making a real racket and tripping over each other. When I finally put my head around the corner I found a pup with its head stuck in a plastic watering can. It was abundantly clear to me that the pups knew their sibling was in trouble, knew I could help, and knew how to communicate this to me.

      --
      And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
    3. Re:Dog smarts by Chrisq · · Score: 1

      Right up until he hacks your router to disguise his addiction to online dog porn.

      So that's your excuse ;-)

    4. Re:Dog smarts by Guest316 · · Score: 1
      Everyone "knows" animals, whether what they "know" is that animals are dumb, instinct-driven automatons or intelligent, emotional beings. Rigorous, unbiased research is good for providing a baseline of information with better reliability than "just knowing." After all, assuming that animals share no emotional or cognitive parallels with humans can be just as error-prone as assuming that they're "just like us."

      When you have a really smart one for a decade it's like having a furry kid in the family.

      And then shortly after a decade they go and die on you. Really inconsiderate of them.

    5. Re:Dog smarts by wcrowe · · Score: 1

      Great story. Those of us who have lived with dogs can usually tell similar stories. What is notable about yours is the age of the pups. Dogs learn to communicate with us very quickly, it would seem.

      --
      Proverbs 21:19
    6. Re:Dog smarts by powerlinekid · · Score: 1

      I have a 3 year old Great Pyrenees and a 4 month old German Shepherd. They routinely tell on each other such as if one makes a mess or the other steals a stuffed animal it should not have. Additionally, they will also rat out my daughter if she does something they don't like. They look for me if there is trouble such as the time my daughter locked herself out of the house one morning. I woke up to the Pyrenees whining at the bedroom door. Since he was frantic I followed him downstairs and let her back in.

      I seem to recall a study that demonstrated dogs vs wolves in how they handle problem solving. The short of it is that if a dog comes across something it can't solve on its own (ball rolls under a couch, etc) it will very quickly find its human to help. Wolves, even tame ones, will not go to humans for help. I believe this was done for similarly raised dogs and wolves so seems to be a side effect of the domestication process.

      --

      can't sleep slashdot will eat me
  14. Bad Assumption by Baby+Duck · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "When you hear a friend's voice, you immediately picture her ..."

    Nope. I do not. I might visualize an abstract, inky blob, but I most certainly do not picture the person.

    --

    "Love heals scars love left." -- Henry Rollins

    1. Re:Bad Assumption by Vyse+of+Arcadia · · Score: 1

      I think it was just bad wording. Maybe "identify" would be better than "picture."

  15. Where's your ball? by swb · · Score: 2

    My dog responds to this and I don't quite understand how. If I say that to him and the ball is around, he will go after it and immediately want to play. Even if the ball is put away or not visible (we cycle toy free availability to maintain interest), he will search for it.

    But I haven't done often enough or with enough treats to make it a reinforced behavior like "sit", "down" or "wait". I can only guess I've used the word "ball" a lot when playing with him and the ball and he's come to associate that word (or the phonetic sound) with the ball.

  16. Dog to English translator.... by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 1

    Perhaps this finding will help these people with the Indiegogo fundraising for their project;

    http://www.nomorewoof.com/

  17. Mushroom mushroom by tepples · · Score: 1

    Dogs and humans often make inter-species "friendships" for mutual benefit, the Coyote and the Badger is just one such example.

    Why? Is it because the coyote says* "ARGH! Snake! A snake!" and then gets impressed by the honey badger who doesn't give a fsck?

    * In a metaphorical sense.

  18. I sure wish they could talk, too by devphaeton · · Score: 1

    I'd love to sit down and have a beer with my adopted dogs. I'd like to hear their story, where they came from, what they've done in their lives and what they are thinking about now.

    Even if their speech was on the level of a toddler or smaller child, I'd still love to hear it.

    --


    do() || do_not(); // try();
  19. Dogs have Complex Language by pubwvj · · Score: 1

    Dogs have a lot more language than most people realize. We have a many generational large pack of livestock working dogs on our farm. Admittedly these dogs are more intelligent than a typical companion dog because they are selected for intelligence and spend their life doing herding, guarding and other tasks which stimulates their minds.

    They typically know 300 words that is in a shared pidgin that we use which is a combination of signs, vocals (our language and theirs) and body language which describe objects (nouns), actions (verbs), variation (adverbs and adjectives) which they use in multi-word sentences. They both understand us, understand each other and speak back to us.

    Some of the dogs understand and use as many as twice that and they actively make new signs to describe new things. This has previously been shown in other species. Dogs do it too.

    Their biggest problem is their lives are so short. This is why having the multi-generational pack makes this behavior more noticeable - the dogs are passing on culture from generation to generation unlike dogs which are kept isolated in human families and treated as just a pet.

  20. What? by jgotts · · Score: 1

    "When you hear a friend's voice, you immediately picture her, even if you can't see her."

    Who is this referring to? I never visualize people. I'm a non-visual learner. When I hear someone's voice I think of the person's identity, never an image.

  21. Broken link by tepples · · Score: 1

    "You don't have permission to access /wp-content/uploads/2013/12/FarsideDogTranslator.jpg on this server."

    1. Re:Broken link by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Stupid site admins not understanding how the internet is supposed to work...

      Copy/paste the URL into a fresh tab and it loads fine.

      --
      systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
    2. Re:Broken link by tepples · · Score: 1

      Here's the model that I assume sites with anti-hotlinking scripts are using: A document consists of text, illustrations, and advertisements. To cite an illustration in a document, you're supposed to link to the fragment of text nearest the illustration. If you link directly to the illustration out of context, the advertiser cannot display the advertisement that pays for the delivery of the illustration from the server through the Internet to your device. And if the illustration is copyrighted (as virtually all illustrations published since 1923 are, including the illustration you cited of a translator device that turns all barks into "Hey"), the case for fair use of the illustration is much weaker out of the document's context that establishes "purpose and character of the use" (17 USC 107).

      You appear to argue that this model is broken. How do you think the Internet is supposed to work?

  22. French words for 9 and 8 sound like pig noises by tepples · · Score: 1

    "Cochon" == "pig", and "neuf" (French for "nine") sounds sort of like a grunting pig. 7+2=oink (nine), 3*3=oink (nine) 36/4=oink (nine), 4*2=oink (farmer kicks pig in private parts) squeeeal (eight)

  23. My Cat story by iplayfast · · Score: 1

    I swear to god this is true.
    I live on a farm, that when we bought it inherited a number of cats, as well as a bunch from a neighbors farm. (owner had died so cats transferred to where the food was). Along with these cats came feline leukemia which is a sickness that will kill a 3 year old cat within a month, but is often picked up when they are kittens. (very sad). They end up being very lethargic and then die. We ended up with over 20 cats, peaking at over 30.

    In anycase, there was one cat, we called the mother cat, that seemed to be like the mother hen of the other cats. She would adopt kittens from other cats that didn't seem to have the ability to take care of their own. She was a great mouser and would sit on top of a fence post watching for mice. Or she would do this strange echooy call as she walked through the fields. In anycase it worked for her.

    She came down with the feline leukemia and was in a bad state. We did what we could for her, but she was going fast. On the day before she died, she was just lying around when other cats started bringing her presents of mice. She perked up with these gifts but was dead within the day.

    The important point here is that other cats
    1. knew she was dying, or at least in trouble.
    2. brought her gifts which they would not normally do.
    3. she accepted these gifts.

    All the cats seemed sad after she died, and I supposed that I could be just anthropomorphizing their response. But I don't think so.

    I've also heard in other barns, that cats have a hierarchy of places to sit. (on bales of hay). The top cats are the highest.