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Ghostwriter Reveals the Secret Life of WikiLeaks Founder Julian Assange

An anonymous reader writes "From the Telegraph, 'He is vain, secretive, paranoid and jealous, prone to leering at young women and making frequent sexist jokes – and that's not the view of one of his many enemies, but of a friend ... A damning picture of Julian Assange ... has emerged in a detailed account by his ghostwriter. Assange behaves ... like an egotistical tyrant interested more in his own self-publicity than in changing the world. Worse still, he turns on his friends with increasing regularity ... Assange describes the Ecuadorean ambassador offering him diplomatic asylum as 'mad', 'fat' and 'ludicrous'. Even Assange's girlfriend, WikiLeaks researcher Sarah Harrison, grew increasingly frustrated at his behaviour. 'He openly chats girls up and has his hands on their a**e and goes nuts if I even talk to another guy,' she says. O'Hagan, who had hoped to find an anti-authoritarian rebel figure worthy of admiration, says he comes to regard Assange as someone who sacrificed the moral high-ground by attempting to evade trial over the rape charges.' — The Scotsman adds, 'Canongate director Jamie Byng yesterday hailed O'Hagan's account of the "impossibility of trying to ghost Assange's memoirs". He tweeted: "Andy O'Hagan's compelling, ring side account of Being (& being around) Julian Assange is smart, accurate and fair."'"

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  1. So? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sounds like much we already knew or suspected. I'm more interested in why some people keep trying to show us what an awful character Assange is, instead of focussing on what he has done. Love him and Wikileaks or hate them; the latter seems a lot more relevant.

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    1. Re:So? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You shouldn't suspect anything. The fact is we have no idea what he is really like, except that it almost certainly isn't what the media have portrayed.

      The fact that Slashdot posts this shit is a sad sign of the slow decline. You wouldn't get this over at SoylentNews.

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    2. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you can vilify someone, you no longer have to refute their message.

    3. Re:So? by poetmatt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Additionally, the man is effectively in captivity under a lot of stress. That can present a very different person than that individual might be if not for being locked in the fucking embassy, for example.

    4. Re:So? by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So, stop acting like Assange is an angel who could never have committed the crimes of which he is accused.

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    5. Re:So? by dugancent · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We should be more interested in WikiLeaks and their info/message, not the blonde guy at the top.

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    6. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why do we either have to love both Assange and Wikileaks, or hate both Assange and Wikileaks?

      You can love Wikileaks and hate Assange, or love Assange and hate Wikileaks. To even bring in finer shades of grey, you can believe that Assange is probably not that nice of a person, and the Swedish investigation is legitimate, but still appreciate the effort put towards Wikileaks, and you can appreciate some of what Wikileaks has done but dislike other acts of Wikileaks.

    7. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      What crimes? Sex without a condom?

    8. Re:So? by cold+fjord · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Assange's history of treating other people like dirt, including allies, friends, and Wikileaks volunteers, goes back long before he chose to jump bail and become a fugitive from justice. It hasn't exactly been much of a secret either.

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    9. Re:So? by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sounds like much we already knew or suspected. I'm more interested in why some people keep trying to show us what an awful character Assange is, instead of focussing on what he has done. Love him and Wikileaks or hate them; the latter seems a lot more relevant.

      Probably because like here, the people who support him make a ton of noise about how he is just a saint who has been vilified by a vengeful US government and those who say "Hmm... maybe he's not a good guy after all" tend to get drowned out. Bradley Manning might have an interesting take on whether his friendship with Assange was worth it in the end. And as to a certain extent he's arguably a criminal avoiding justice, it does tend to cast a negative light over everything he does. My biggest questions are things like "Why do you only seem to publish things that put the US in a bad light? Where are the secrets from places like Russia and China, where we know corruption is the norm?" Suppose he was given information about how top Chinese Communist Party officials secretly own various businesses and profit extraordinarily from them while they keep wages down for their employees and he chose not to publish it. Would those of you who defend him still do so? How do we really know that he's not selectively releasing the information he gets to suit some ulterior motive that most supporters wouldn't like?

    10. Re:So? by rev0lt · · Score: 1

      Well, an autobiography is about the messenger, not necessarily the message.

    11. Re:So? by Nemesisghost · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You shouldn't suspect anything. The fact is we have no idea what he is really like, except that it almost certainly isn't what the media have portrayed.

      The fact that Slashdot posts this shit is a sad sign of the slow decline. You wouldn't get this over at SoylentNews.

      How do you know that that he isn't the prick that the media has made him out to be? Here we are talking about a guy who was willing to sacrifice confidential informants & journalists just to reveal the truth of how bad the US is. Anyone willing to push their agenda at the costs of innocents is not someone to be admired.

      If SoylentNews is going to filter out news it finds distasteful, then I'll stick with Slashdot. I don't need a nerdy version of FoxNews/MSNBC.

    12. Re:So? by cheesybagel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Innocents? They provided him the information. In most countries just doing that is enough to get convicted for treason. If they didn't want the information to be published why did they give it to Wikileaks to begin with?

      Do you think there is anyone with a flawless personality? I still admire him for what he did exposing all that information. But it doesn't mean I need to appreciate his entire way of life.

    13. Re:So? by mlw4428 · · Score: 1

      I suspect it has a lot to do with persuading the government(s) that are protecting him to stop doing so. He SHOULD face his day in court over the rape allegations. His Wikileaks stuff is another issue and I realize the connections (mainly he'll get hit with the Wikileaks stuff whenever he gets his trial for the sexual assault), but I do not believe one person's political actions should deprive others the right for justice.

    14. Re:So? by Opportunist · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Pretty much this.

      Personally, I don't really care too much about him. I care about Wikileaks.

      So he is what? Vain, ok. Who cares? Secretive and paranoid. Hmm... I'd guess you get that way if you run something like Wikileaks. Prone to leering at young women. Hmm. Would you feel better if he was leering at young guys? Why the fuck should I care what he likes to fuck, for all I care he could fuck his lunch before he eats it.

      It feels a bit like back with Clinton. Nobody cares about what he does, but he fucked someone he shouldn't. Why the fuck is that relevant?

      Oh, and I make sexist jokes too. Here's one: What does it mean when the wife is in the living room? That the chain that's supposed to keep her in the kitchen is too long.

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    15. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, which is why we're all still using ReiserFS.

    16. Re:So? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Angel? He certainly is no angel. But when I weigh good vs. bad, he's still pretty much on the good side.

      The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.

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    17. Re:So? by Sarten-X · · Score: 2

      ...instead of focussing on what he has done.

      One of the things he's done is built a cult of followers who insist that he's leaking secrets purely for the good of the world. It's reached the point where anyone criticizing him is dismissed outright as being a brainwashed government shill, especially here on Slashdot where the hivemind reigns supreme.

      However, the actual existence of a benevolent intent is what makes all the difference, factually. If Assange's claims of benevolence are honest, then he's a whistleblower who only gave information to enemies out of necessity or accident. If he really only cared about spilling secrets, then he's a spy who communicates through a very public medium, using scandalous stories as obfuscation.

      We can't really "focus on what he has done", without a clear idea of exactly what that is. Is he a whistleblower or is he a spy? Only Assange knows for sure, but whatever he says is obviously biased. For anyone else interested in facts, the only materials we have to consider are articles like this - written by observers, showing only their observations of the man's behavior. Maybe they support his claims, and maybe not.

      When we consider the effects of Assange's actions, we should not forget the parts that oppose our own preferred opinions. In comparison, consider that Joseph Stalin helped defeat the Nazis and establish his country as a superpower. On the other hand, he was a tyrant whose powerful nation was forged by oppressing dissent. A few generations from now, if we consider Julian Assange to be a hero, do we include the word "accidental"?

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    18. Re:So? by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      That's pretty much the point. Why does anyone care about his autobiography? I care about one of his projects.

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    19. Re:So? by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      The information he released did not only implicate people in the US. It just happened most information he got came from the US so that's what he published that is all.

      I don't expect Julian to be flawless. I never do. No one is flawless.

    20. Re:So? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I can't remember Assange preaching abstinence or fucking with condoms.

      The difference is maybe that Assange never claimed to be holier-than-thou.

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    21. Re:So? by DerekLyons · · Score: 2

      Sounds like much we already knew or suspected. I'm more interested in why some people keep trying to show us what an awful character Assange is, instead of focussing on what he has done. Love him and Wikileaks or hate them; the latter seems a lot more relevant.

      Probably because like here, the people who support him make a ton of noise about how he is just a saint who has been vilified by a vengeful US government and those who say "Hmm... maybe he's not a good guy after all" tend to get drowned out.

      This. And because it places his requests for "cooperation" from various agencies/corporations and his threats (carried out at least once) to shut down Wikileaks until he was funded in a... very interesting light. Not to mention it also casts light on the various internal rifts and defections, policy decisions at various stages of Wikileak's life, etc... etc...

    22. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Innocents? They provided him the information.

      No. The innocents he sacrificed aren't the ones who leaked the information, but the ones the information was about, as well as any potential future information sources against dangerous regimes and companies.

    23. Re: So? by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Yes, the apple tree must stand tall to give you apples. But do you care about how the tree became the tree it is now from the sapling it once was? No, you want the tree to stand there because you want the apples!

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    24. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If someone says you can have sex if you wear a condom you have consent for sex with a condom. If you don't wear the condom you didn't have consent. Sex without consent is ________

    25. Re:So? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      See? There it is again. If he agrees with me, then he's automatically good.

      I think it's pretty obvious that everyone needs to be against sexism and rape. It's unsaid. If you are, then you're a horrid person who needs to be savaged in the media. It happens all the time.

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    26. Re:So? by PRMan · · Score: 1

      Exactly. So why did he hate "The Fifth Estate" so much? Sounds like it captured him accurately or even better than reality (since it didn't show up treating women like sex objects).

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    27. Re:So? by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.

      Then, why does Assange's "need" outweigh the needs and rights of his alleged victims and the people/government of Sweden to have the allegations against him investigated?

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    28. Re:So? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      If someone says you can have sex if you wear a condom you have consent for sex with a condom. If you don't wear the condom you didn't have consent.

      Bullshit.

      It is only rape if you're fucking her, she says stop and you don't.

      If she never said stop...till it was over, it wasn't rape.

      You can't retroactively withdraw consent after the act is done and over with....

      Consent is allowing penetration, wearing a rubber or not is not part of what constitutes consent.

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    29. Re:So? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Oh, and I make sexist jokes too. Here's one: What does it mean when the wife is in the living room? That the chain that's supposed to keep her in the kitchen is too long.

      LOL...

      Remember when loading the dishwasher, meant getting the wife drunk?

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    30. Re:So? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      We stopped using ReiserFS because its performance really wasn't very good compared to its modern competition.

    31. Re:So? by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      Assange never made a career out of giving people advice on how to conduct their sex lives or personal lives. He's critical of big governments and their actions (such as engaging in wars). Unlike Falwell, he isn't a hypocrite, because Assange is not a government, nor a member of any government, or anyone with any kind of governmental or military power whatsoever: it's impossible for him to practice (or not) what he preaches.

    32. Re:So? by blue+trane · · Score: 1

      But if you're drugged or drunk before falling asleep, then it's consent?

      http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/15/...

    33. Re:So? by asmkm22 · · Score: 1

      Assuming this is true, I'm curious about why Sarah Harrison is still involved as closely as she is. I've sometimes wondered if she found Snowden to be more of the kind of person she thought or hoped Assange was.

    34. Re:So? by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Assange Left Wing? Never struck me that way. He seems agnostic on left/right. His politics are libertarian.

    35. Re:So? by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      His intentions might be interesting as tittle-tattle. What's important is whether the leaks have done good. And as they've brought facts about the duplicity and crimes of a number of governments into the public domain, it's undoubtably good - unless you are a politician with something to hide.

    36. Re:So? by NotDrWho · · Score: 2

      A lot of people don't understand that the CIA realized that character assassination is MUCH more effective (and less messy) than physical assassination a long time ago. It's also a great way to deal with an IMF head who suddenly decides to start challenging the dollar.

      This sounds like the latest salvo in a concerted effort to assassinate Assange's character (since Ecuador and the UK would probably frown on anything more direct). Not sure how they got to his ghostwriter (or if he was perhaps a plant all along). But it's clear that they did.

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    37. Re:So? by Dialecticus · · Score: 2

      ...goes back long before he chose to jump bail and become a fugitive from justice.

      He may be a fugitive from something, but it strains credulity to call it "justice".

    38. Re:So? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      The fact is we have no idea what he is really like

      So he is what the overwhelming majority of the human population will ever be to any of us? Didn't expect that!

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    39. Re:So? by Triklyn · · Score: 2

      "say yes... ... um, yes?

      consent, you guys heard it, that was consent"

      i'm paraphrasing the league there, poorly, but please, please stop being facetious and obtuse.
      conditional statements don't just automatically default to true.

      if (a == 1)
      b=1;
      else
      b=1;

      is a pretty retarded statement.

    40. Re: So? by Triklyn · · Score: 1

      fruit of a poisonous tree.

    41. Re:So? by ultranova · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The fact that Slashdot posts this shit is a sad sign of the slow decline.

      I disagree. While the description of Assange is obviously untrustworthy, and most likely an attempt at character assasination, it's quite newsworthy that such attempts continue. It paints a frightening picture of not Assange, but the state of our Western democracies.

      Also, Slashdot's discussion system means everyone gets to see both the reactions such a story generates, and even more importantly the moderations they receive. It is quite relevant to all of us and the future of our civilization if such sustained effort to destroy the credibility of resistance actually produces results.

      None of us knows anything about Assange from credible sources, so everyone is free to believe what they will. Thus what they choose to believe reflects their pre-existing bias, not unlike in the Zimmerman-Martin affair (where people apparently used their crystal balls to come up with ludicrously detailed blow-by-blow descriptions of what obviously must have happened). It matters little if Assange is a scoundrel, a Cape, or a mere human; but it matters a lot whether people are willing to simply take the government's word of it.

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    42. Re:So? by fredprado · · Score: 1

      Completely confused with your poor attempt to distort facts. There was no violence in the act, as the "victim" confessed. If there was not consent, at any moment the woman could have stopped it, which she chose not to do. Regretting your decision later does not make consensual sex into rape, sorry.

    43. Re:So? by Triklyn · · Score: 1

      because intentions matter, if nothing else than to distinguish good role models from bad.

      do we want to teach the next generation that government responsibility and transparency are virtues, and that acting in service to the truth is good? that whistleblowing is something to be admired? or do we want to show them that it's a good way to serve attention-seeking narcissists?

      Because motive counts, why we make a distinction between murder and manslaughter. or if that is too hyperbolic... how you would perceive a politician that's say, blackmailed into voting for better emissions standards less highly than one that believes in it himself, even though their votes mean the same things.

      i've never liked the look of assange, he's always looked a bit sketch.

    44. Re:So? by killkillkill · · Score: 1

      I've seen and heard his interviews. Sure, it falls quite short of personally knowing him and there is certainly a mask of some sort to portray how he wants the public to perceive him rather than a reflection of his real personality. However, that is the vibe I always got from him. There is a limit to how many people we can know personally. To be able to function within those limits we have instincts. Empirical evidence should be sought when possible and opinions based on instincts should be held loosely. The events surrounding this man are quite important to our world and it's worth thinking about and having an opinion. His motives and personality do play a role in how much trust one should put in the man and insights like this are about the best we have without scheduling a meeting with him.

      Re: SoylentNews Quite a few of the stories I've seen there so far seem to have a heavy "conspiracy theory" spin to them. I could see this posted there, only it would have a line about O'Hagan being an NSA shill. That being said, Slashdot has been in decline for a while and I will be heading over to SoylentNews to read, comment, and support that website after I am done here.

    45. Re:So? by paazin · · Score: 1

      do we want to teach the next generation that government responsibility and transparency are virtues, and that acting in service to the truth is good? that whistleblowing is something to be admired? or do we want to show them that it's a good way to serve attention-seeking narcissists?

      This. It saddens me how much vitriol is offered in return to people who suggest as much; sort of bewildering.

    46. Re:So? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Probably because so many people are obviously ignoring the flaws. Ie, they claim the rape charges are purely made up as a convoluted plot against him. Anyone who used to work at wikileaks who is not in Assange's good graces are disparaged by legions of fans. Maybe you could say that we already knew this stuff, but there are many who jumped quickly in his defense calling foul whenever someone points out the flaws of Assange, accusing them of being in league with the enemy. Meanwhile he has actually harmed wikileaks through his ego, turning it into a private club instead of a cooperative.

    47. Re:So? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Kind of sad. Why is SoylentNews not having this article? Presumably because 99% of their articles are about technology.
      On the other hand, why wouldn't this story be here? This is not some story to bolster Dice's revenues, instead it is yet another in a long series of stories about Assange, wikileaks, governmental secrecy, etc.

    48. Re:So? by bussdriver · · Score: 1

      "The Fifth Estate" isn't a Hollywood film then? ;-) Women are sex objects in most their films; they didn't have gratuitous sex scenes in the film? Maybe there is some merit to the film?

    49. Re:So? by ultranova · · Score: 1

      It all depends on if you agree with his radical left-wing politics or not. If you do, then he's an angel who can do no wrong.

      If your house goes up in a massive explosion a week before you were supposed to testify against a Mafia don, then maybe it was a random gas leak. Maybe. But that's neither the only possible nor even the most credible explanation. And people who point this out might be motivated by factors beyond sympathy for your political opinions.

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    50. Re:So? by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People forget this part. They see Assange as a saintly figure who cares deeply about all his human worshippers. There were Afghanis who worked secretly with the US had their names revealed, putting their lives in danger. Now if Assange had admitted he didn't know about these names being released then I could see his fans forgivin this lapse in judgement. However Assange said that he did not care if those people died because they had been cooperating with the US, and his fans don't seem to notice or care.

      Assange is not just a messenger here.

    51. Re:So? by cold+fjord · · Score: 2

      ... but it matters a lot whether people are willing to simply take the government's word of it.

      Or Assange's word. And this story isn't from "the government," but from someone he chose to work with.

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    52. Re:So? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      If we have no idea, then it would be just as likely to be what the media portrayed as any other thing.

      Up your logic. Not knowing doesn't mean you know.

    53. Re:So? by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There is no evidence about this farcical plot. If the US wanted Assange they could have had their UK lapdogs turn him over much more easily than devising a mission impossible scheme to get Sweden involved.

      "As you recall" I presume is based on the authorized story supplied by the Assange supporters? Scrubbed and polished so that the hero never looks bad in any way and is only a victim. The whole point of this article is to show that maybe his story isn't so clear and clean.

      For everyone who says "maybe he's not an angel, but you have to listen to the message", why don't they also say "maybe he is a rapist, but you have to listen to the message"? This is because they know the message won't be listened to if it comes from a rapist, which is the incentive they have to deny that it ever happened, or to claim that Sweden somehow is in bed with the US, that Assange's very life is in danger, that the women were coerced or have financial gain to lie, etc.

    54. Re:So? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      You're being intentionally misleading. If you have sex with somebody, and then fall asleep in bed with them, they do have consent. If they slip it in in the morning and you don't want it, you say "no," and then you've withdrawn consent, and they have to stop. But you don't have to ask verbal consent constantly with a lover, especially one you're literally sleeping with after the act.

    55. Re:So? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      slashdot will always have the hive mind, but the nerds jumped ship for soylent news.

    56. Re:So? by Macgrrl · · Score: 1

      A friend of mine went to school with him and was reasonably close with him growing up. He has characterised Assange as sociopathic, largely as a result of his upbringing. Nothing would surprise me at this point.

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    57. Re:So? by epyT-R · · Score: 2

      In free countries the press is supposed to fill the function of wikileaks. Of course, today's 'journalists' are too busy 'making a difference' to do their damn jobs.

    58. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Her: You can have sex with me if you use a condom:
      Him: Ok, sure, I'm wearing one.
      Afterwards
      Him: J/K, no condom for me!

      Consent is not an all or nothing thing, it can be conditional, and in fact it usually is highly conditional.

      If your theory is actually supported by the law, why doesn't he follow the law and submit to the warrant? Let a court sort it out? Perhaps because he knows he raped her?

      The mission of wikileaks needs to be separated from Assange. Unfortuantely, too many people think they need to build him up and support him to support the idea of the organization.

      My advice: dump him, move on, do some good.

      As a final aside, your "regretting your decision later does not make it into rape" men's rights crap is just that, complete and utter crap and bullshit.

    59. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I've personally spent time around Assange, back in the late 1990s. He is most definitely a prick. That doesn't lessen the value of wikileaks though.

    60. Re:So? by recharged95 · · Score: 1

      Sounds like Assange is the Bill Gates of information.

      I mean, I know we all love Windows cause we love Bill...

      Now Assange needs a Steve Jobs equivalent.

    61. Re:So? by S.O.B. · · Score: 1

      Angel? He certainly is no angel. But when I weigh good vs. bad, he's still pretty much on the good side.

      The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.

      That saying is meant to describe sacrificing a few in a noble cause for the greater good not to excuse predatory behaviour.

      Although I'm sure that's how the Catholic church sees it.

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    62. Re:So? by fredprado · · Score: 1

      Oh, and one more thing, should we apply your logic we should start by arresting every woman that lied to a man about her pills and got pregnant, instead of making the poor chaps pay for life for a child they did not consent in having. That would require an ungodly number of new prison buildings, rest assured.

    63. Re:So? by Catbeller · · Score: 2

      No. he is not accused of rape. He has been accused of nothing.

      And the stories about his womanizing? Almost every guy posting at Slashdot. Perception management is everything.

    64. Re:So? by Catbeller · · Score: 1

      He has been accused of nothing. He has been charged with nothing. A friendly right-wing judge helped the US publicize allegations made by two women - one of whom has bowed out in disgust and wants nothing more to do with the US's little Paula Jones games.

      Amazing. They must have tracked his every movement, interviewed every woman he ever talked to, to find two woman who would allege he had sex without a condom - which is only a crime in that country. And one of them walked away. Wonder what they have on the other woman - or how much she's been paid.

      They smeared him, and set him up for an extradition snatch when he was to come in for "questioning".

      And they have a lot of perception management sock puppets in this thread.

    65. Re:So? by Catbeller · · Score: 1

      No one ever did. And every one of you, at some time in your life, acted the fool in front of a woman. So, we will not be surprised when you are accused of crimes.

      Which is more than what Assange faces, because he is accused of nothing.

    66. Re:So? by Catbeller · · Score: 2

      "Probably because like here, the people who support him make a ton of noise about how he is just a saint who has been vilified by a vengeful US government..."

      Straw man. No one is a saint. No one said he is a saint. And he has been vilified, tracked, and set up by an
      EXTREMELY vengeful US intelligence community - which is much different - and separate from - the US government. Governments come and go, but our real masters live behind the scenes and pull perception management stunts like this.

      How many men, how much money, did they spend to track down every physical movement, every call, every text, every phone call he made? And interview every woman they could find that slept with him until they found two (sleeping with him at the same time) who would say "boo"? And further, one of those dropped the matter with disgust once she found the US was using her to get Assange.

    67. Re:So? by NoOneInParticular · · Score: 1

      How do you know that that he isn't the prick that the media has made him out to be?

      Who cares? You're just shooting the messenger. The media is simply trying to cover up the fact that they seized to be ... the media. Now we depend on the likes of Assange to question the actions of the powerful. And you complain about Assange?

    68. Re:So? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      And the stories about his womanizing? Almost every guy posting at Slashdot.

      Womanizing isn't really the same thing as fantasizing.

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    69. Re:So? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I agree that it is worth having a discussion about the on-going situation, but that's not what this story was. It's a credit to the Slashdot community that something worthwhile came out of it. Back in the day Taco would have gathered up some alternative views and added a line or two to balance out the summary, but not these days.

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    70. Re:So? by doom · · Score: 2

      We stopped using ReiserFS because its performance really wasn't very good compared to its modern competition.

      Really? No numbers I've ever seen have ever tested file systems in the one case the ReiserFS targeted but no one else seems to have: large numbers of small files.

      But then, I haven't stopped using ReiserFS either. (And yes, it is being maintained, last I looked the Debian team was still doing bug fixes to Reiser 3.)

    71. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A reporter worried that Assange would risk killing Afghans who had co-operated with American forces if he put US secrets online without taking the basic precaution of removing their names. "Well, they're informants," Assange replied. "So, if they get killed, they've got it coming to them. They deserve it." A silence fell on the table as the reporters realised that the man the gullible hailed as the pioneer of a new age of transparency was willing to hand death lists to psychopaths. They persuaded Assange to remove names before publishing the State Department Afghanistan cables. But Assange's disillusioned associates suggest that the failure to expose "informants" niggled in his mind.

      -- The treachery of Julian Assange

    72. Re:So? by rev0lt · · Score: 1

      Did you read TFA? The article was about remarks made by a guy that apparently was gatering the data for the autobiography. The whole article IS about Assange as a person, not WikiLeaks or whatever. If you don't find that interesting, well, neither do I, but it doesn't change the fact that it is NOT an article about WikiLeaks, its about Assange. Live with it.

    73. Re:So? by HeckRuler · · Score: 5, Informative

      There were Afghanis who worked secretly with the US had their names revealed

      Were there now?

      You'd think the Pentagon would have known about them:

      On 11 August 2010, a spokesman for the Pentagon told the Washington Post that "We have yet to see any harm come to anyone in Afghanistan that we can directly tie to exposure in the WikiLeaks documents",[55] although the spokesman asserted "there is in all likelihood a lag between exposure of these documents and jeopardy in the field." On 17 August, the Associated Press reported that "so far there is no evidence that any Afghans named in the leaked documents as defectors or informants from the Taliban insurgency have been harmed in retaliation."[56]

      In October, the Pentagon concluded that the leak "did not disclose any sensitive intelligence sources or methods", and that furthermore "there has not been a single case of Afghans needing protection or to be moved because of the leak."[57] Both Wikileaks and Greenwald pointed to this report as clear evidence that the danger caused by the leak had been vastly overstated.[58][59]

    74. Re:So? by evilviper · · Score: 1

      I'm more interested in why some people keep trying to show us what an awful character Assange is

      Clearly, samzenpus is the ringleader of this vast, multinational, and multi-billion dollar conspiracy.

      I just wonder how he convinced his corporate overlords at Dice to develop the Beta site, and I'm still not QUITE sure how that fits into demonizing Assange.

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    75. Re:So? by evilviper · · Score: 1

      Consent is allowing penetration, wearing a rubber or not is not part of what constitutes consent.

      Not wearing a condom would certainly count as some degree of assault in most countries. No question a criminal act. That the country it happened in chooses to call it some form of rape is immaterial.

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    76. Re:So? by Dan541 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So if I accuse you of rape, you should be dragged to my country for a crime you haven't even been charged with and then deported to a third country to face execution for breaking their laws?

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    77. Re:So? by mcgrew · · Score: 2

      Falwell is a terrible example. Preachers are supposed to lead by example, they're supposed to be above worldly things (and believe it or not, many people both clergy and non-clergy are).

      A better example would be Bill Clinton or Newt Gingrich. With Clinton, he was a lousy husband but the best President I've seen since I started voting in 1972 (voting age was 21 in 1968). Those who hated him still hated him, everybody else complained about the government paying forty million bucks to prosecute a blow job.

      Gingrich was pretty much the epitome of evil while pretending to be a Christian (he actually worships money, like most Americans). Christians do NOT divorce their wives who are dying of cancer so they can legally bang some other chick. Yet he's still got a lot of clout (ran for Pres in 1012).

      Clergy are held to a higher standard than their congregations are. What's worse, Falwell practiced what he so vehemently preached against.

    78. Re:So? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      The quotes you have do say that there were names revealed. I did not say that these people were harmed, only that the release of documents put their lives in danger. It is only after the fact that we conclude that the danger may have been overblown. However AT THE TIME this was not clear, and many groups were upset about this, and it was only Assange who insisted on leaking the documents anyway. Was Assange gifted with omniscience to know that there would be no consequences and that he could safely ignore human rights groups who were concerned?

      From Assange: ""Well, anything might happen, but nothing has happened. And we are not about to leave the field of doing good simply because harm might happen"

      As well Assange said: "I'm very busy and have no time to deal with people who prefer to do nothing but cover their asses. If Amnesty does nothing I shall issue a press release highlighting its refusal." This is him basically saying that he did not want to do the hard work of redacting names, but instead blamed the military for not volunteering to do this, and similarly blamed Amnesty International for also not stepping up and volunteering to redact names. That is pure arrogance. He was basically saying he was going to release documents no matter what and that it was not his job at all to redact names and instead it is the fault of other people for not doing the job in his stead. Only if someone was hurt did he say that after the fact he would "review procedures".

    79. Re:So? by davydagger · · Score: 1

      I know right.

      Lets stop talking about Assange, and lets start talking about what he exposed. Its not like the man is running for office in the US of A, and even if he did, with his personality, he'd fit right in.

      We accept worse behavior from politicians and celebrities.

    80. Re:So? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      I know Assange didn't post any information to a perfectly good site (cryptome) because it wouldn't have been all about him. Instead he had to start another site where he could be the center of attention.

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    81. Re:So? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      As stated upthread: Would lying about using birth control also be rape?

      When will we start rounding up all the women who were looking for a 18 year payday? Who will pay for all the new prisons?

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    82. Re:So? by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      No. he is not accused of rape. He has been accused of nothing.

      Q&A: Julian Assange and the law

      The founder of the Wikileaks website, Julian Assange, faces rape and sexual assault allegations in Sweden. In May, he lost his appeal to the UK's Supreme Court against extradition to Sweden and in June he took refuge in the embassy of Ecuador, which has granted him asylum.

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    83. Re:So? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      The people running wikileaks should just send a backup tape to cryptome and call it a day.

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    84. Re:So? by Slashcrunch · · Score: 1

      I wish I had mod points to give go you.

    85. Re:So? by litehacksaur111 · · Score: 1

      Well then please explain why is Edward Snowden so respected while Julian Assange is hated here. (For the record I support what both of them did)

    86. Re:So? by ultranova · · Score: 1

      It's a credit to the Slashdot community that something worthwhile came out of it. Back in the day Taco would have gathered up some alternative views and added a line or two to balance out the summary, but not these days.

      Well, life is all about making something good from whatever you have. All editors can't be delicious.

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    87. Re:So? by Electricity+Likes+Me · · Score: 1

      He has been accused of nothing. He has been charged with nothing. A friendly right-wing judge helped the US publicize allegations made by two women - one of whom has bowed out in disgust and wants nothing more to do with the US's little Paula Jones games.

      Or you know, bowed out because an ongoing campaign of death threats and public humiliation and abuse just wasn't worth it?

    88. Re:So? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      So Wikileaks is going to be a hit after he is gone?

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    89. Re:So? by joe545 · · Score: 1

      It's a misnomer to say he hasn't been charged. Swedish law has strict requirements regarding the timeline between charging and the court case which in principle means that they only charge someone when he is in their physical custody.

    90. Re:So? by poetmatt · · Score: 1

      Until you are charged, you are not charged. There is no exception.

    91. Re:So? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Not wearing a condom would certainly count as some degree of assault in most countries.

      Not using birth control is assault in other countries?!?!

      Seriously?

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    92. Re:So? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      By that reasoning, if you knock the woman unconscious, or drug her into insensibility, it isn't rape. Or, for that matter, if you use some sort of coercion on the woman and tell her to shut up. Rape is sex without consent, not sex against immediate objections. When Assange decided to stick it into a sleeping woman, he really did need prior consent. Arguably, he had permission for vaginal sex with a condom, which is not what he did. If we're going to be picky here, he didn't have consent at all, since consent isn't a perpetual thing.

      IIRC, he continued when told to get off, which is rape even according to your definition.

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    93. Re:So? by HeckRuler · · Score: 2

      Ah yes, everyone forgets those poor innocent informants that Julian Assange sacrificed. Except, it's not really a "sacrifice" as they're alive and well. They don't even need protection. At least according to the Pentagon.

      So... He put their lives in danger. At least, people were worried that they'd be in danger.

      Well, sort of. I mean, let's just say it like it is: The shills and apologists damn well hoped a few of them would wind up dead so they'd have something to throw at Assange.

      But yeah, the guy certainly comes off as a dick. And if that were in any way comparable to the blatantly evil and illegal bullshit that he helped expose, then I might hold it against him. Seriously, have you looked this stuff up? Your US taxpayers dollars helped buy young male sex slaves. DynCorp actually has a history of this and yet we still employ them.

    94. Re:So? by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      We always get the heroes we're given, not the ones we want.

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    95. Re:So? by evilviper · · Score: 1

      Not using birth control is assault in other countries?!?!

      A condom IS NOT JUST BIRTH CONTROL. It is, first and foremost, the only currently viable protection against sexually transmitted disease. Not using one is tantamount to spitting in a stranger's mouth. If someone with HIV doesn't use a condom against their partner's wishes, they will go to jail for some form of murder.

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    96. Re:So? by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      Additionally, the man is effectively in captivity under a lot of stress. That can present a very different person than that individual might be if not for being locked in the fucking embassy, for example.

      Julian has always had serious user interface bugs, for example he would take a laptop along to family Christmas dinners because he thought they were boring and didn't want to talk to them. Having said that, I know other geeks who are at least as poorly socialised, if not more so, than him. Unfortunately being a media personality he now has to put up with having his private life exposed, as does every other celebrity ever. In that case compared to the antics of Charlie Sheen, Lindsay Lohan, Britney Spears, and an infinite lineup of others, he's pretty tame. And before everyone jumps on the bandwagon to criticise him, how many of you could have started Wikileaks?

  2. And it matters why? by fsck-beta · · Score: 2

    Yea a lot of people who do really amazing things aren't always the best people. Sure he deserves some criticism, but we obsess over these take down articles. Clickbait etc

    1. Re:And it matters why? by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      Not just clickbait, but an actual hatchet-job which will be defended by Wikileaks opponents as "We know he's imperfect and you shouldn't be worshipping him" (which we weren't anyway.)

      Clearest clue this entire article is written in bad faith: this poor attempt to imply hypocrisy:

      But Assange, who was quite happy to reveal the secrets of governments around the world proved far more reluctant when it came to talking about his own past and private life.

      No idea if Assange is an unfaithful harasser of women or not, but this isn't an article I'd trust on the subject. And no, I'm a fan of the message, the messenger isn't important.

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  3. If you can't win. by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you can't win: Ad Hominem.

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    1. Re:If you can't win. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's Ad Hominem because the general debate has been about wikileaks, whistle-blowers, and government surveilance, yet here we are talking about a man's personal life, beliefs, and attitudes -- which while entertaining and somewhat interesting, have nothing to do with the larger debate.

    2. Re:If you can't win. by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      How about you review what ad hominem actually means and then get back to us? I'll be glad to teach you but we first need a formal agreement as my daily rates are quite expensive.

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    3. Re:If you can't win. by FriendlyLurker · · Score: 1

      ...and how many terrible things have been said about Assange by Assange critics (take this "news" for example) - so your point is what, exactly? People say dumb shit all the time - the only important sensible thing is to rise above the Ad Hominem attacks coming from both sides and concentrate on the facts. No wonder this news was posted by "anonymous reader", just more of the same...

    4. Re:If you can't win. by blueg3 · · Score: 1, Redundant

      It's relevant if you're writing a book about that person. Like, say, a memoir.

    5. Re:If you can't win. by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      No. Want I don't get is how him being a prick in bed, pun intended, somehow is supposed to render null and void all the work he did at Wikileaks. It doesn't compute.

    6. Re:If you can't win. by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      That's one of the key tactics that have been used for ages. Can't refute their claim, can't dispel the allegations, can't debunk their claims? Attack them instead of their message.

      Works for various three-letter-agencies, works for a certain cult that claims to be a church while being a thinly veiled front for bad SciFi, works all the times. I can't remember many terrible things being said against the woman who filed rape charges against Assange, though. If you could point me to some it would actually be helpful.

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    7. Re:If you can't win. by hey! · · Score: 1

      I can see several connections between Assange's personal character and the Wikileaks issue, just not the simple-minded one that goes like this: Assange is a bad person, therefore Wikileaks is bad.

      The issue of character has in a sense already been raised by some of Assange's supporters, many of whom believe the Swedish rape charges are purely political dirty tricks by the security establishment he embarrassed. Assange's personal behavior is clearly relevant to *that* at least.

      So let's say for a moment the rape charges are true -- does that have any relevance to the question of whether Wikileaks is a good idea? My first instinct is to answer "no," but it occurs to me that the question "Is Wikileaks a good idea?" is different from "Is Wikileaks run by Julian Assange a good idea?" Wikileaks has evolved from an open wiki to something which depends critically on Assange's discretion and judgment. Even some of the people who worked with Assange on Wikileaks evidently aren't so comfortable with him in the critical role he's carved out for himself.

      I think that so far Wikipedia has been a good thing; so far as we know it hasn't cause the kind of horrific damage to national security or the personal lives of innocent bystanders that some have predicted. That counts for a lot. Assange's apparent personal unpleasantness doesn't concern me so much as the possibility his potential legal vulnerability due to things which *shouldn't* be related to Wikileaks. In an ironic way I find his evidently shameless egotism and personal abrasiveness a little reassuring. None of these "revelations" about Assange seem terribly surprising, and in a scandal it's attempting to preserve secrecy that does the most damage.

      So count me as positive on Wikileaks, somewhat ambivalent on Assange. I'd like to see someone in charge whose personal life wasn't so tumultuous, although I recognize that may be asking for too much.

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    8. Re:If you can't win. by hey! · · Score: 1

      I'll see your ad hominem and raise you a petitio principii.

      Not every personal attack is an *ad hominem* attack. In order to raise a claim of ad hominem you have to establish that the person making the argument has used the character of his opponent to undermine the opponent's arguments in a way that is irrelevant.

      So what I want to know is, what is the specific argument made by Assange that is the subject of the supposed ad hominem?

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    9. Re:If you can't win. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      It's not ad hominem if it's true.

      Actually, it's not ad hominem if the personal argument is relevant to the topic. (In fact, whether or not the premises are true has no bearing as to what kind argument is being made, only whether it's sound.)

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    10. Re:If you can't win. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ... and little surprise a comment like this is modded down to troll. Way to prove a point, moderators.

    11. Re:If you can't win. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      It could be opening a window. Right now the view amongst the fans is that the rape charges are totally and without question trumped up and part of a plot. So now if it seems he is some sort of groper then it will cause doubts. And because doubts are never to be allowed, this new messenger must be tarnished lest the original messenger be tarnished.

      Likewise since the past Wikileaks members who broke away from Assange are accused to trying to tear down wikileaks or subvert it from within then it's useful to see evidence that Assange actually is extremely difficult to work with and gives good cause for former associates to become estranged and that it's not just counter revolutionary propaganda.

    12. Re:If you can't win. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Part of the debate is indeed, did Assange commit a crime in Sweden or not. Another part of the debate is, did the former associates of Assange who left Wikileaks after accusing him of being too dictatorial do so because that's what happened or because they are subversives trying to destroy Wikileaks? These stories of his personal life do have relevance to those debates.

    13. Re:If you can't win. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Who said anything about this making Wikileaks null and void? Wikileaks should not be so weak as to depend upon the holiness of one person. And yet the Assange supporters never stop defending his honor while feeling free to impugn the moral character of others.

    14. Re:If you can't win. by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      I don't see why not.

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    15. Re:If you can't win. by Catbeller · · Score: 1

      Attack the man, not the facts, to neutralize the facts.

    16. Re:If you can't win. by evilviper · · Score: 1

      That's one of the key tactics that have been used for ages. Can't refute their claim, can't dispel the allegations, can't debunk their claims? Attack them instead of their message.

      What message? Assange's only message is that he's perfect, and there's a world-wide grand conspiracy moving heaven and earth to... charge him with fairly minor crimes. He's the head of NOTHING. He has no other interest or goal than himself. It was obvious he was an egomaniac many years ago, so this is hardly a revelation.

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    17. Re:If you can't win. by hey! · · Score: 1

      Which facts are being attacked here?

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    18. Re:If you can't win. by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      Assange is a dick. Therefore murdering journalists is ok.

      There is no logical connection between the two.

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    19. Re:If you can't win. by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      >Which facts are being attacked here?
      They're not being attacked. They're being neutralized. Read the parent.

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    20. Re:If you can't win. by hey! · · Score: 1

      Assange is a dick. Therefore murdering journalists is ok.

      There is no logical connection between the two.

      I agree there's no connection but that's a strawman argument. So far as I know nobody is advocating that position.

      One actual argument might be that Assange is a loose cannon, therefore he should not have access to peoples' secrets. That's not necessarily an irrational thing to believe, but we *do* have to weigh that against what the secrets actually *say* -- particularly state secrets. Any reasonable, impartial person would have to admit that it's better to have *some* state secrets in the hands of a loose cannon than to allow them to remain secret.

      My point is that Assange's character is a very important issue given the sensitivity of the role he's appointed himself to. That doesn't mean we have to be simple-minded about that and draw irrelevant ad hominem conclusions about what the government is up to. Assange's character is certainly relevant to the question of whether he's a suitable broker of whistleblower secrets.

      The best argument in Assange's favor is, in my opinion, that so far as we know nothing disastrous has happened as a result of his activities. Unless you count embarassment, which I do not.

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  4. Not a ghostwriter. by o_ferguson · · Score: 5, Informative

    Speaking as a ghostwriter, this is not how one operates. This guy is just being an asshole.

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    1. Re:Not a ghostwriter. by o_ferguson · · Score: 2

      Thanks. I needed to get the word count up.

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    2. Re:Not a ghostwriter. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      my reading of TFA is O'Hagan's role as ghostwriter became compromised by Assange himself. Early on, O'Hagan is explicit in stating terms that include a strong desire to have no public connection to the text, nor to find himself a mouthpiece for Assange in the world of news and current affairs programs. But that doesn't seem to be the nub of this piece - it's more about the impossibility of getting the book written because Assange didn't want it, but couldn't ever commit to 'no'; just as he couldn't commit to 'yes' either. It seems to be 'the idea of a book' that attracts Assange to the project. Please tell me why O'Hagan is an asshole or, at least, enlighten us to the ghostwriter's code that forbids this kind of exposé (years...) after the project failed?

    3. Re:Not a ghostwriter. by o_ferguson · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My reading is that O'Hagan was brought in by the publishing company to try to take the book in the direction they wanted, not the direction Assnage wanted. Once this backfired, he explicitly compromised his strong desire to have no public connection to the text by becoming a mouthpiece against Assange in the world of news and current affairs programs. The length of time (years) since the incident has no bearing on the professional ethical implications of violating the privacy of a primary source, even if that source is committed to the idea of violating institutional opacity, and even if that privacy is assured only by convention, and not by a specific NDA.

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    4. Re:Not a ghostwriter. by o_ferguson · · Score: 1

      "Only a shitty workman blames his tools."

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    5. Re:Not a ghostwriter. by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Speaking as a ghostwriter, this is not how one operates. This guy is just being an asshole.

      If you think he is being "an asshole," you apparently haven't looked at Assange's behavior.

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    6. Re:Not a ghostwriter. by o_ferguson · · Score: 1

      Assange is also being an asshole. But that's a given. Just look as his name.

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    7. Re:Not a ghostwriter. by o_ferguson · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying that Assange's behavior is in any way better; just that the ghostwriter in this instance knocked himself down to Assange's level instead of maintaining the professional high ground.

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  5. vain, paranoid, sexist by tomhath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Could describe any number of people who are/were successful in public but had feet of clay. Rev. Martin Luther King, Pres. Bill Clinton - the list goes on and on (admittedly King wasn't necessarily paranoid, they really were out to get him).

    1. Re: vain, paranoid, sexist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They really are out to get Assange.

    2. Re:vain, paranoid, sexist by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Umm... Gandhi?

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  6. So what? by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

    Not being a friend of Assange at all (who jumped bail and now is costing the Ecuadorian government lots of money), but what does that have to do with anything? And everybody can ask themselves what they would look like if someone tried hard to show them in the worst possible light.

  7. Re:shocking by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    can I have 'smear campaign' for 100, please, alex?

    we can see thru this character assasination easily enough; but the fact is, if you keep repeating lies enough, people will believe them.

    regardless, what the man has done is what matters. personality does not enter into it, not one bit.

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  8. Re:a**e by tippe · · Score: 1

    I have to admit, I don't get "a**e". Is that supposed to mean "arse" or something? If so, why the self-censorship for such a benign word?

  9. How many people would stay nice? by OzPeter · · Score: 1

    How many people would stay "nice" if you found yourself choosing between staying in self-imposed jail or stepping outside and likely finding yourself in real jail?

    I have no idea to Assange's personality before all this happened, but a severe case of cabin fever can drive people off the rails.

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    1. Re:How many people would stay nice? by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 1

      "Assange behaves ... like an egotistical tyrant interested more in his own self-publicity than in changing the world."

      He's been like that since day 1. None of this started when he locked himself in the embassy.

  10. Love the pro-Assange crowd here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sorry to post A/C, but there's too much hate for contrarian opinions on Slashdot.

    I love how the pro-Assange crowd is already dismissing this. I'm sorry, but it does matter. The "why" someone does something is just as important as the "what". Assange takes a lot of credit for Wikileaks, but the truth is there are a lot of people involved in Wikileaks who are more valuable to the organization whereas Assange's narcissim and poor ethical decisions have not only made him an easy target but have also damaged the brand itself. With what they're trying to do, maintaining the ethical and moral high ground is paramount as the only thing they have to go on for their work to make a difference is their reputation; once that's damaged then the public at large will not trust them and nothing will ever really change. If you truly believe in what you're doing, then you don't put yourself into compromising situations with women etc.

    1. Re:Love the pro-Assange crowd here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Martin Luther King Jr. damaged his work with his extra-marital affairs and his association with Communists. I'm sorry to say, but it was the shock of his assassination that overrode any tarnish of his image as people suddenly felt there was something to what he said, but prior to that his failings as a man were damaging his cause. At this point, having himself assassinated may be the only way to clean up Assange's image, which is probably why he hasn't been; he's self-destructive enough to himself and Wikileaks that no Government in the world really needs to do anything to him.

      King David was a man who failed, and then realized the error of his ways and came back into the good graces of God. People respect even more a man who will fail but publicly admit to his wrong doings and try to make amends. Assange is missing that last part there.

      Samson was not an example to be respected for his work; Samson's tale is a cautionary tale about how a good man who gives into temptation can lead to the ruin of the man. Samson is a good example for Assange to follow and learn from.

      Thomas Jefferson was a prolific and high profile figure in the American Revolution and a founding father, thus he serves as a useful tool when teaching people about the values of American Republicanism and Democracy. However, more advanced history research does not paint Jefferson favorably; while he's often held in basic literature to be a champion of Enlightenment values, he's often derided as a hypocrite for his owning of hundreds of slaves. In his time, he was highly controversial and not someone that people would seek to emulate or reflect, it's only the hazy view of a few hundred years that have scraped away some of his discrepant attributes.

    2. Re:Love the pro-Assange crowd here... by Catbeller · · Score: 1

      Any one who believes any story about Assange that smears him is a damned fool. The full hatred and might of the US intel community is focused on that man. Believe nothing. Especially from the Telegraph, for Christ's sake.

    3. Re: Love the pro-Assange crowd here... by Catbeller · · Score: 1

      So. You believe nothing is knowable? Saves time.
      Waitaminut. Lookie here! https://firstlook.org/theinter...
      News today from Glenn Greenwald says that there are well organized covert groups whose purpose is to disrupt and neutralize online forums and discredit people. You don't think they'd show up on Slashdot, do you?

    4. Re: Love the pro-Assange crowd here... by Catbeller · · Score: 1

      I like this opening:
      "One of the many pressing stories that remains to be told from the Snowden archive is how western intelligence agencies are attempting to manipulate and control online discourse with extreme tactics of deception and reputation-destruction. Itâ(TM)s time to tell a chunk of that story, complete with the relevant documents."

  11. Re:a**e by Travis+Mansbridge · · Score: 1

    It's redacted.

  12. Character assassination by grasshoppa · · Score: 1

    Not that I don't believe it, necessarily. Merely that it can't be trusted. At all.

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  13. Character asssassination at its best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I am not interested in his character but his results.

  14. oh noes by melchoir55 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    He's self centered and likes to flirt with younger women. Oh no! Our faith in the very integrity of wikileaks must be revisited!

    Meanwhile an enormous personality cult continues around an asshole who regularly destroyed the lives of people working for him (Steve Jobs).

    If I were going to pick someone to have a beer with, I would pick Assange any day. I don't give a fuck if someone has personality flaws. That means he is the same as every other human alive. What I care about is their effect on the world around them. Assange has had such a net positive impact with wikileaks that no amount of aggressive flirting or being-a-dick-sometimes(tm) is going to burn it.

    1. Re:oh noes by cheesybagel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not to mention the liver transplant he got. People his age usually get pushed all the way back to the transplant list. Even then, after he got his liver, did he even bother taking his pills to at least ensure he lived a bit longer so the transplant wasn't useless? No. He did a crazy mystical diet where he died shortly afterwards.

    2. Re:oh noes by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Accusations of misogyny and sexual abuse of younger women is frequently used in our society to discredit public figures. After they've been proven as sexists and screwers of young women, they are ruined and educated society will never take anything they say seriously.

      Why is it that Assange gets a free pass?

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    3. Re:oh noes by melchoir55 · · Score: 1

      Maybe educated society is getting tired of the Ad-Hominem.

      We can dream.

  15. Re: a**e by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    That's just one of the fancy new features of beta. You're welcome, slashdotters. ;)

  16. Just maybe ... by m0s3m8n · · Score: 1

    Maybe, just maybe, he did assault the woman. After all, it is the "seriousness of the charge" that counts.

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    1. Re:Just maybe ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Which is totally why the UK harbored Pincochet from Spain. The guy who makes serial rapists locked away for life look like goddamn choir boys.

  17. Paranoid? by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    If your ghost writer turns on you, of all people, is it really fair to say one is paranoid? Sounds like his belief that people are out to get him is fairly confirmed.

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    1. Re:Paranoid? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      "Ghost writer" isn't a type of servant. It is actually a professional who you've brought in to help you tell your story. Maybe this is the truth of his story. Maybe he wanted a propaganda fluff piece and he made the mistake of hiring a ghost writer instead of a PR firm. Maybe he thought he could just tell the writer what lies to write, and didn't have to hide any of the dirt, and was shocked to find out that the writer cares about telling what Assange wanted told, but does NOT care about only telling that part of the story, and intends instead to tell the whole truth, simply including Assange's take on it. Which seems to be what happened.

      I don't see how that is a writer "turning" on him. The truth is the truth, it is not for or against him. If he wants the truth to involve him being a morally upstanding guy, that requires morally upstanding behavior.

      Get with the program, everybody knows what a dirtbag he is. The new talking points involve saying it doesn't matter if he is a dirtbag, because it isn't about him, it is about... leaks of the past. Well that is just history, he isn't still out there meeting with whistleblowers. Maybe it is time for supporters to realize the situation, and start a new organization for leaks.

  18. Not actual ghostwriter by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Informative

    more like self appoint, failed and bitter biographer.
    "[When Assange would not cooperare with the writier]... Assange's publisher, Cannongate, releases its own version of the autobiography, after Assange allegedly fails to honour the terms of his contract. The book flopped, selling only 700 copies in its first week"

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  19. Re:Oh man by cheesybagel · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Oh and by coincidence she only decided to put the accusation up AFTER she learned he slept with someone else. Go figure.

  20. Re:shocking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I notice this new round coincides with Greenwald's discovery in the Snowdon documents that Assange is indeed on a US three-letter agencies' manhunt list.

  21. has his hands on their a**e by cowwoc2001 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Silly question: what does a**e stand for? :)

    1. Re:has his hands on their a**e by idontgno · · Score: 1

      I'd assume (no pun intended) it meant "arse". The Commonwealth misspelling (just kidding) of "ass".

      But I've never seen it sensored, so I can't be sure. Frankly, I wouldn't be arsed to bleep it out.

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    2. Re:has his hands on their a**e by asylumx · · Score: 1

      Silly question: what does a**e stand for? :)

      A**e stands for arse, which is slang (similar to "ass") for "butt".

    3. Re:has his hands on their a**e by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      I would assume "arse".

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    4. Re:has his hands on their a**e by Eevee · · Score: 3, Funny

      It stands for the value of 'a' raised to the power of e (roughly 2.71828). Now, while Euler's number is damn sexy, I'm not sure why he kept putting his hands on it...

  22. psychological warfare = repetition by bussdriver · · Score: 1

    The second the rape BS comes up it should be a dead give away this is not a legitimate source. Somebody who knows the situation because they have close contact and work with him (at least since he got on the CIA's radar) clearly must know the obvious facts about the Rape BS. But instead decides to act like a CIA operative and push the government's propaganda 110%?? Paid operative before or after is still a paid operative (that doesn't mean spy and who knows what secrets the ghostwriter has, except the NSA...) No, this isn't paranoia, it is common sense. Hell, to say Assange is paranoid is totally idiotic if you have any sense of what he is involved in.

    American media is extremely obsessed with the cult of personality; far more than other nations. This is an indirect assault upon Americans by shooting the messenger in ways that highly effective and distracting in the USA (more so than other nations.) The whole point is to make life a living hell on earth as visibly as possible, including thinly veiled BS character assassination so anybody with half a brain can see what is going to happen to anybody who threatens the USA with truth. It is Terrorism plain and simple. The legal system can be made into the punishment (which is why the founders put in that part about a speedy trial in the defunct 6th Amendment ) and if he gets into the USA it'll be the punishment BEFORE conviction and after exoneration he'll still be stuck in Gitmo for his retirement.

    Ecuador isn't spending as much as the USA or their bitch, the UK.

    It doesn't matter if he is a kiddie fiddler, courageous acts are not exclusively done by saints. If anything it should be more impressive when a "'vain, secretive, paranoid, jealous, rapist" does something that people "above reproach" are too cowardly to do. You'd think Americans would be wiser given how many grow up watching the popular redemption theme in their movies; which has gone to extremes in making everything dark and flawed.

  23. NSA Campaign by StormReaver · · Score: 4, Informative

    Remember, the NSA's stated M.O. is to publicly smear Julian Assange in order to get people to divert focus away from the crimes commited by the U.S. Federal Government.

    Julian's character is an irrelevant distraction, so don't get drawn into a debate over the messenger. Stay on message: The U.S. Federal Government has committed crimes against its people, and will do anything to cover it up.

    1. Re:NSA Campaign by Catbeller · · Score: 1

      Not the government. The intel community. They are a separate thing. They are beyond government - elected officials come and go, but the network of ops and analysts and right-wing nutjob policy makers at the CIA and a dozen other agencies are secret, safe, and damned near unkillable. And they know what every is saying, who they are with, and and where they have been. They are freaking gods of vengeance and manipulation, should they choose to come and get you. Assange has royally pissed them off - and GOT AWAY WITH IT. They are not going to let him live a life outside of a torture cell. They will never surrender.

  24. Re:Still my hero by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    No, that's our job. Wikileaks can only inform us that we should do it.

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  25. Re:Oh man by cold+fjord · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You mean that like many rape victims she was hesitant to complain to the police, but after finding that her attacker had a history of such assaults she found the courage? Hmmm.

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  26. Re:shocking by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

    . Yeah yeah save use the "Sweden is different, questioning is the same as charging him" crap you usually retort with about this point.

    In short, facts don't matter. You continue to honor your custom.

    And yes, technically the charges would come after Assange is next interrogated by the Swedes due to the procedures of their legal system. That is a sequence shared by other EU countries.

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  27. Re:Still my hero by PRMan · · Score: 1

    If you believe that, you really should watch "The Fifth Estate". The amount of world change that 2 people could institute in a span of 2-3 years is shocking.

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  28. Re:assange, QEII spotted boarding QEII together? by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2

    Paul Revere used to butter the milkmaids with his baby-batter.

    Philippides, the courier of Marathon used to drink too much, and then screw the serving boys.

    However, they are NOT discounted as messengers.

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  31. Read the article by genxchick · · Score: 1

    You clearly didn't read the entire article or you would know that Assange signed a contract for this book and chose the ghostwriter. But keep drinkin' that Kool Aide - who needs critical thinking skills (or reading comprehension for that matter), right?

    1. Re:Read the article by BasilBrush · · Score: 2

      Bear in mind that "the article" is published by The Telegraph, which is the UKs chief mouthpiece for the right-wing establishment. Kind of like Fox-News, but not quite as bad.

      So left's not confuse what it says with actual facts. They might be the facts, they might not. But The Telegraph is not a reliable source, so we don't know.

  32. Re:shocking by FriendlyLurker · · Score: 2

    Various Swedish legal experts have fallen on either side of the debate, for example fairly critical article on Assange quotes Swedish professor emeritus of international law, Ove Bring, as saying: "the evidence is not enough to charge him with a crime". So even the experts disagree. Unless you have some inside knowledge I do not see how you can be so sure as to say "technically the charges would come after". So your remarks smell like trolling to me...

  33. Re: a**e by Nemesisghost · · Score: 1

    Actually, RTFA. It's redacted there, so the summary has it as it was copied from TFA. If you don't like it here, leave, nobody will miss you.

  34. Re:Still my hero by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 1

    Yes. But it's a secret so don't tell anyone.

    You know what the federal government couldn't give less of a shit about? The opinions of the 18 people who still read this site.

  35. Curious by angst_ridden_hipster · · Score: 1

    Uh, it's perfectly possible to be a sociopath and also do good and important things.

    The personality part is interesting because it shows that Assange's personality is both what enabled him to accomplish all he did with WikiLeaks, and what sabotaged his efforts to make WikiLeaks into something even bigger and more powerful. His fallings-out with other WikiLeaks people predates much of the external pressure. Based on many sources, he strikes me as a deeply flawed individual who has accomplished great things. It's sad that he has not been able to accomplish more.

    My guess is that history will show him as paving the way for Snowden and other future leakers. He'll be remembered more for the way his actions changed the discourse and environment for transparency than for his actual technical accomplishments. His personality will be an afterthought.

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  36. wtf is a**e? by Nyder · · Score: 1

    I know I live in a basement and haven't ever actually talked to a girl, let alone put my hands on her a**e, which is good, because I don't have a fucking clue what her a**e is.

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    1. Re:wtf is a**e? by Chas · · Score: 1

      "arse"

      An alternative spelling of "ass" (or vice-versa).

      Basically she's saying that he's a groper.

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    2. Re:wtf is a**e? by H0p313ss · · Score: 1

      "arse"

      An alternative spelling of "ass" (or vice-versa).

      Basically she's saying that he's a groper.

      They're not quite equivalent, thought hey have the same 1000 year old root word.

      Arse is just anatomy, but ass can all refer to equids like donkeys.

      "Don't be an ass." Therefore has a double meaning, while "Don't be an arse." is more simplistic.

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  37. hands on their a**e by theendlessnow · · Score: 1

    I knew a girl in high school that didn't like to be touched on her ankle. Something about her height and being stuff into waste bins or something.

    1. Re:hands on their a**e by H0p313ss · · Score: 1

      I knew a girl in high school that didn't like to be touched on her ankle. Something about her height and being stuff into waste bins or something.

      You might find that's not so unusual, nor as gender specific an issue as you seem to to think. ...

      And it was a locker.... ...

      And fuck you all.

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  38. Re:Oh man by Theaetetus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The woman who had the sex with him dropped out the accusation man. She voluntarily let him in her bedroom and had voluntary sex with him before. She just wasn't 'in the mood' one of the times he did sex with her. That is a crime in Sweden? Good thing I don't live there.

    Yeah, it's entirely possible for someone to consent to sex one night and then not consent to sex the next morning. See, people have the right to say no, whether it's because they're not "in the mood", because they're sleepy, because they're sick, or any other reason. And forcing yourself on someone who has said no is rape, even if you've previously had consensual sex with them in other circumstances. And that's not only a crime in Sweden, but in most other countries.

  39. Re:Still my hero by Chas · · Score: 1

    When the ghostwriter has created a legitimate outlet that could save the free world, then he can whine a little. Until then, he and everyone else should just shut the f*** up.

    Or, howsabout he be allowed his say like everyone else? Wikileaks, as has been noted, has been about destroying censorship. and informing people.
    What you just proposed is the very definition of censorship.
    Congrats on graduating Hypocrisy 101!

    We ALL have flaws - at least Assange makes up for them by BEING AWESOME.

    Why is pointing out someone's flaws all that problematic. Assange is a self-obsessed douchebag. There's millions of them running around the planet nowadays.

    Basically articles like this inform people. So that if they're dealing with said douchebags, they don't go into the exchange blind, and expecting the person to act like a rational person.

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  40. yeah right by NynexNinja · · Score: 1

    I'm sure he's all of that stuck in a room by himself at the embassy for the past few years. Maybe five years ago, not today. Sorry, it doesn't pass the smell test.

  41. Assange revealed avg male IT worker....stunning by leftie · · Score: 1

    ... Assange revealed to be exactly like all the other guys working in IT right now. Real shocker.

    1. Re:Assange revealed avg male IT worker....stunning by Catbeller · · Score: 1

      Bingo. Most attractive young guys I ever knew.

      As L. Ron Hubbard commanded his secret nerd commando assholes, find their crimes, especially sex crimes, the dirtier the better. Publicize it though side channels and bring it up at every opportunity. Smear, smear, and keep on smearing. Pamphlet the neighbors, call the schools, alarm the parents, burn the bastard through anonymous innuendo until he's ready to commit suicide. Well, just the first sentence was his. The rest his Boy Bands did on their own, and still do.

  42. Lucrative deal by ugen · · Score: 1

    What are the chances that next step for mr O'Hagan would be writing a "tell-all" article series, followed by a book "revealing to the public the intimate details about one of modern day most controversial characters". I bet that would pay a heck of a lot better than a ghostwriting job for a fugitive stuck at a 3rd world country embassy.

    Seems like Assange isn't particularly savvy about choosing his friends.

  43. What did you expect? by H0p313ss · · Score: 1

    prone to leering at young women and making frequent sexist jokes

    This pretty much describes every Australian man I've ever met.

    While this is not uniquely an Australian trait, in my experience the percentage of Australian men that exhibit it are damn near 100%.

    And yes, I know this is an unfair stereotype so I apologize, but flame on Bruce.

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  44. Re:Still my hero by H0p313ss · · Score: 1

    a legitimate outlet that could save the free world

    LOL. Wikileaks hasn't accomplished a damn thing.

    There are lots of reactions from governments from around the world, but I'm curious to what extent this is simply a case of: "I am shocked, SHOCKED to find espionage going on here!"

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  45. Re:Still my hero by H0p313ss · · Score: 1

    Yes. But it's a secret so don't tell anyone.

    Nudge, nudge. Wink, wink.

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  46. Typical BPD/NPD behavior by wiredlogic · · Score: 2

    This behavior is all in line with those who have Borderline and Narcisistic Personality Disorders. Most highly motivated people with the drive to be leaders have them to some degree. Some worse than others. That's why all of our elected officials are essentially pricks motivated by self gain rather than true public service. Their behavior drives away the decent people who might otherwise want to participate but can't tolerate interacting with such people.

    While not the most admirable traits to have, it also isn't a crime to be a backstabbing asshole. It seems like someone is on a character assassination agenda.

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    1. Re:Typical BPD/NPD behavior by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Except for the rape thing.

      Q&A: Julian Assange and the law

      The founder of the Wikileaks website, Julian Assange, faces rape and sexual assault allegations in Sweden. In May, he lost his appeal to the UK's Supreme Court against extradition to Sweden and in June he took refuge in the embassy of Ecuador, which has granted him asylum.

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  47. Re: "Rape charges" is bullshit, frankly. by Catbeller · · Score: 1

    Name. One. Person. Who. Was. Extradited. For. Accusation. Of. Sex. Without. A. Condom.

    Just.

    One.

  48. Re:What's the point. by Catbeller · · Score: 1

    Fourth amendment against search and seizure. Mass surveillance and use of such data to undermine opposition. Murder. Conspiracy to commit murder. War crimes. Accessories to murder. Use of weapons of mass destruction against civilians. Throw in the ninth amendment while we are at it. Abuse of secrecy declarations to conceal crimes and persecutions. And the panels are useless - they are carefully loaded with shills. Amazing that one actually broke free and declared illegality.

  49. Re: "Rape charges" is bullshit, frankly. by Catbeller · · Score: 1

    OOPS. Forgot! He was never accused.

  50. Probably an asshole but not that's unexpected by quantaman · · Score: 1

    Assange is an asshole womanizing narcissist, Manning was a transsexual on the brink of a gender change with (understandable) anger issues, Snowden is... weirdly normal aside from some seemingly irrational choices in countries to hide in.

    Of course you have to take a hatchet piece by a "ghostwriter" with a grain of salt but we already knew Assange could be sleazy from his behaviour that led to the rape charges (regardless of whether you think the charges are legit).

    At the end of the day to be a prominent activist you have to believe your issue is so important that it's worthwhile provoking confrontations and stirring up trouble, you need an ideology strong enough to motivate you to throw away a normal life and career to pursue your issue. Normal well adjusted people generally don't become dedicated activists.

    I think WikiLeaks is a great idea but nice normal people don't make things like WikiLeaks.

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  51. Plot to discredit Assange .. by DTentilhao · · Score: 1

    I find it highly suspect that the most damage being done to Assanges reputation is by his erstwhile friends and colleges.

    "Wikileaks.org uses trust as a center of gravity by assuring insiders, leakers, and whistleblowers who pass information to Wikileaks.org personnel or who post information to the Web site that they will remain anonymous. The identification, exposure, or termination of employment of or legal actions against current or former insiders, leakers, or whistleblowers could damage or destroy this center of gravity and deter others from using Wikileaks.org to make such information public." ref

    "Some enemies of WikiLeaks are not afraid to play dirty. Pro-WikiLeaks hackers (but not the organization itself) gained access to internal e-mails from HBGary Federal, a California-based security company that was allegedly offering to help companies like Bank of America (the rumored target of the next WikiLeaks dump) discredit the organization through falsified documents .. The e-mails also suggested that the company could pressure some of WikiLeaks' more public and vocal supporters (primarily journalists) by threatening to sabotage their careers." ref

  52. NSA's by BaQrOo · · Score: 1

    Remember, the NSA's stated M.O. is to publicly smear Julian Assange in order to get people to divert focus away from the crimes commited by the U.S. Federal Government. flash action game

  53. Re:shocking by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

    As usual from Cold Fjord: half truths, lies, deception, repeating ad hominem and all your typical moral low ground techniques

    he doesn't even try to cover up his bias.

    otoh:

    #include "notsureifserious.jpg"

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  54. Re:shocking by nickmalthus · · Score: 1

    In a 45-page essay chronicling the collapse of a $2.5m deal for Assange’s autobiography, O’Hagan, an award-winning novelist and non-fiction author, recounts how he spent months with the Australian computer hacker in an attempt to extract material for the book.

    I can think of 2.5m reasons O’Hagan would not paint a positive image of Assange after spending months of his life with only this article to show for it.

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  55. Re: "Rape charges" is bullshit, frankly. by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

    Sorry to break your David vs. Goliath outlook, but despite the crap that comes out of a few loud-mouthed Congressmen, the US sure as shit doesn't want him.

    http://online.wsj.com/news/art...

    Senator Feinstein is the chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee (What? there's intelligence in the US Senate?). Hardly a loudmouth.

  56. Re:How much this should matter to the non-braindea by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

    Can you imagine Assange doing the NY morning show circuit?

    Only if they do them from Quantico.

  57. Double Standards by Pseudonymus+Bosch · · Score: 1

    The summary reminds me of JFK and of this indirectly related article The Double Standard That Lets Elites Survive Even Catastrophic Failures:

    To be taken seriously, those who critique the powerful must be flawless, whereas society forgives the most egregious errors in judgment of the elites themselves.

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  58. The Telegraph by Any+Web+Loco · · Score: 1

    Late to the party so I suspect all y'all will miss this but it's important to realise that The Telegraph is a very right-of centre, capital "C" Conservative news organisation. In the UK it's often called the Torygraph for it's unquestioning and unalloyed support of all things associated with the Tory (Conservative) party. For a different spin, try the Guardian's coverage, here.

    Even better would be to actually read the LRB article which actually is a detailed, nuanced piece which says both good things and bad about the guy.

  59. Re:Oh man by Rakarra · · Score: 1

    Yeah, it's entirely possible for someone to consent to sex one night and then not consent to sex the next morning

    But what if you consent one evening, but the next morning decide you didn't consent? That was the situation at issue here, but it's mostly moot since the woman involved has dropped the charges. That just leaves the rest of us in the rape discussion spinning the wheels endlessly.

  60. Matthew 9:11 by Pseudonymus+Bosch · · Score: 1

    And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?

    SPOILER ALERT: At the end of the book, the main character is executed by the government.

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  61. Assange is in the wrong business by reboot246 · · Score: 1

    He's fully qualified to hold elective office.

  62. Re:Still my hero by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

    There are lots of reactions from governments from around the world, but I'm curious to what extent this is simply a case of: "I am shocked, SHOCKED to find espionage going on here!"

    Here are your intelligence briefings, sir.

  63. Re:Oh man by Theaetetus · · Score: 1

    But what if you consent one evening, but the next morning decide you didn't consent? That was the situation at issue here

    No, it wasn't... They had sex the previous day. He then wanted to have sex without a condom, and she said no. That was the withdrawal of any further consent. She then went to sleep. She woke up with him inside her. That was the rape. There was never any "deciding she didn't consent to something that happened the night before".

    but it's mostly moot since the woman involved has dropped the charges. That just leaves the rest of us in the rape discussion spinning the wheels endlessly.

    [Citation]? I haven't heard anything about that.

  64. Not new by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

    It's been public knowledge for years that he's basically an asshole and a pain to work with. Wikileaks is necessary and requires support, and in so far as his work is essential to Wikileaks, so does he, but that doesn't make him personally worthy of respect. The heroes in this piece, if there are heroes, are sources like Breanna Manning and Edward Snowden, and journalists like Glenn Greenwald.

  65. Arse. by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

    Ass. Buttocks. Hindquarters. Rear. Plot. :P