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Satellite Images Show Russians Shelling Ukraine
U.S. officials today made public satellite imagery which they say proves that Russian forces have been shelling eastern Ukraine in a campaign to assist rebel groups fighting Ukraine’s government.
The U.S. Office of the Director of National Intelligence, which released the civilian-taken satellite images Sunday, said they show visual evidence that Russia has been firing shells across the border at Ukrainian military forces. Officials also said the images show that Russia-backed separatists have used heavy artillery, provided by Russia, in attacks on Ukrainian forces from inside Ukraine.
One image dated July 25/26 shows what DNI claims is “ground scarring” on the Russian side of the border from artillery aimed at Ukrainian military units in Ukraine, as well as the resultant ground craters on the Ukrainian side of the border:
Eurasia has always been at war with Eastasia.
The side that apparently blew a 300-civilian passenger jet out of the sky because they're too dumb to know what a Boeing looks like is getting direct military support from a major regional power which just happens to have nuclear weapons.
And I thought my hometown of Detroit was fucked.
Then surely it is no surprise that they can fake some artillery shelling. Photoshop has gotten a lot better over the past few decades.
Wow. What a surprise. Russia is involved in the conflict in Ukraine.
So what are they going to do about it? Give another speech about how Russia is acting against its own interest?
Gaza can send thousands of rockets targeting Iraeli citizens and they won't even say a word.
Iran can make nuclear weapons and they won't even say a word.
Russia can take over Crimea and they get bashed harshly with... a speech.
ISIS can take over Iraq and kill thousands and they won't say a word.
Any country depending on the US for support is lost and left to fend for themselves.
However, if you DARE mention the government should cut a dime of spending you will be labled a terrorist and the IRS, and DOJ will be used illegally to harrass you and oppress you. This administration is far harsher on peaceful critics of its policies than it is on genocide or mass killings of allies.
What a joke.
Is that really what you call "evidence" in the US? All I see is a series of confused images with some black dots that could easily be exchanged for insects or bacteria seen in a microscope. Not to mention that recently Ukraine "accidentally" shelled several russian border checkpoints, even causing the death of a russian officer (oops! Didn't american media report that?), so this would be a legitimate reaction anyways.
Furthermore, I have irrefutable evidence that the United States of America invaded a sovereign country in central middle-east named Iraq on the basis of made-up "evidence" of non-existing weapons of mass destructions, killed more than 100K (one-hundred-thousand) civilians, removed its legitimate authorities, and finally left it in a mess that led to the current civil war.
There's one single thing that the american government should finally learn to do: shut the fuck up. Now.
Why can't they be like the UK and Scotland where they all sit down and discuss it over a nice cup of tea? Then if they want their independence they can have it. No big fuss.
This submission is pretty much irrelevant here at Slashdot.
Satellite imagery has been in use since the 1950s and 1960s. It's not new technology. It wasn't news in the 1970s, for crying out loud! There's no reason for this useless submission to be on the Slashdot front page.
I come here to get science, technology and computing news that I don't find in the mainstream media. I come here to engage in discussion about such news relating directly to science, technology and computing.
I do not come to Slashdot to read about purely political articles, especially when it involves petty disputes in second-world shitholes half-way around the globe. Their strife is totally irrelevant here.
If I want to read about crap like this submission, then I will go to one of the many other news web sites out there that cater to general news. But that's not what I'm doing. I'm coming to Slashdot because I want relevant news about technology, science and computing. So give us relevant articles, please, and not nonsense like this.
SON OF A BITCH, TIMOTHY! I don't come to Slashdot to read about Russians and Ukrainians engaging in YET ANOTHER pathetic battle. Son of a bitch, they've been going after one another for CENTURIES! It isn't news. It especially isn't news that should be submitted here to Slashdot, and thus it obviously shouldn't be news that ends up on the Slashdot front page. Man, it was useless political bickering that ruined reddit. There's no need to bring that stupidity over here to Slashdot, goddamn it!
KEEP SLASHDOT ABOUT MATH, PHYSICS, SCIENCE, PROGRAMMING, SOFTWARE, HARDWARE, AND STUFF THAT REALLY MATTERS!
Hardly surprising. The last time the Russians got this aggressive was their invasion of Afghanistan under Jimmy Carter of Most Unpleasant Memory.
When Americans are stupid enough to elect a wimp, the nasties of the world get aggressive. And in the case of Obama, we're looking at a superwimp.
These two pictures convey the problem perfectly. First Obama, helmet and momma jeans on a paved sidewalk:
http://www.streetsblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/06_16/obama_bike.jpg
Now Putin on a horse not bothering with helmets, a shirt or pavement:
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01456/horse_1456083i.jpg
All we're waiting for is an incident like Carter's encounter with that "killer rabbit" that was immortalized in this song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFAOCBY8zrI
I'm sure the Western aggressors are shelling Ukraine from inside Russia, as part of their insidious plot to estrange Ukraine from Russia. No really, give it another 5 minutes and the Putin apologists will be claiming this.
Nobody believes you except for the fools and the gullible. US == liars. Obama == Hitler.
Great, another "WITO/." post. Don't you have something better to do? Like pick the dingles out of your cat's ass?
Aluminum tubes? Yellowcake? Halliburton needs some cash? All valid reasons, you know. And would this be a bad thing? Putin spending TRILLIONS of Rubles for regime change?
And frankly does not matter even if it were true.
If Chinese backed neo-nazis took over Mexico city and threw the country into a civil war, I wouldnt be surprised if we gave the loyalists a little discrete help here and there as well.
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I bet you could not tell the difference between a civilian plane and a military plane flying at 30,000 feet over a war zone either.
I bet he can't tell them apart either, but I also bet he wouldn't fire a missile at it. *Firing a missile anyway* is the important thing here, not a failure to identify the aircraft.
In Soviet Russia, you shell artillery. Or is it artillery shells you? I just felt this needs an In Soviet Russia comment though.
The roots of the current crisis was when the Ukraine applied to join NATA and NATA planning to site missile systems in Poland and the Czech Republic.
Wreck their economy. It worked once and the way Russia acts it would work again, no doubt. Russia has only a GDP a little better than Italy and less than Germany, France or the UK. They are utterly weak and exactly because they know it they have to act like a bully. Russia is a dwarf trying to convince itself it is a giant by making others think it is.
Since you seem to have the equipment, now show us some evidence about what happened to the MH17 flight.
"The last time the Russians got this aggressive was their invasion of Afghanistan under Jimmy Carter"
I think you're forgetting that they invaded Georgia when George W. Bush was president.
I think that counts as pretty aggressive.
Now grow a pair and actually do something about it.
I do not trust the autocrat in Moscow. I do not trust his military and I have a good reason for that. Yet I find it odd that our support for Kiev is so strong and without any conditions. Last time this happened in Europe - the results was a civil war in Yugoslavia and besides all the piles of corpses in Bosnia an ethnic cleansing of Krajina - something that nobody seems to remember anymore.
So what are they going to do about it? Give another speech about how Russia is acting against its own interest?
Gaza can send thousands of rockets targeting Iraeli citizens and they won't even say a word.
Israel seems to be taking pretty good care of the problem judging by the kill ration which stands to about 25:1 and the massive destruction in Gaza. Oh and in case you haven't been here for the past 60 or so years Israel has been getting and continues to get substantial help from US. So has been Egypt and Jordan, which has made them quite the allies.
Iran can make nuclear weapons and they won't even say a word.
Actually the combination of sanctions with the recent push for negotiations has made Iran revisit their position on the nuclear weapons and this issues seems very likely to be resolved soon
Russia can take over Crimea and they get bashed harshly with... a speech.
There have been sanctions which keep expanding and seem to have some effect on slowing down Putin's ambitions. Would you rather prefer that US and Russia exchange nuclear strikes?
ISIS can take over Iraq and kill thousands and they won't say a word.
Oh, and whose fault is it that ISIS is so rampant in Iraq? It wouldnÃ(TM)t be that some other president started a war under false pretext which ignited sectarian conflict that allowed Al-QaÃ(TM)ida and ISIS to flourish? So what is the solution? Send the whole US army for another 5 to 10 years??
Any country depending on the US for support is lost and left to fend for themselves.
That is false on its face. US has been dishing international support, both financial and military, to prety much everyone that ahs asked for starting from Asia (Taiwan, South Korea), through the Middle East (Egypt, Israel, Pakistan, Jordan, Iraq...) to Eastern Europe (Poland, the Balkans, the Baltic Republics, Georgia...). Oh, I forgot half of South America (war on drugs and such)
In conclusion you sir are a joke, an idiot and a shill.
Were the satellites running Linux or something?
The USA can release images that proved Russia is shelling Ukraine, but hey are not capable to release the proves that the rebels/separatists shot down the airliner, even though they told us like a hundred times that they have irrefutable prove?
And this from the country that is drone-bombing the world ... Seriously, do these people actually listen to themselves?
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I spent a good 30min try to find the highlighted region on Google Maps. Couldn't find it. Any help?
Since it worked out so well the last time we followed the tough guys' words into two countries at the same time, now we should jump on your advice and invade Gaza, Iran, Russia, and Iraq/Syria.
Maybe we'll think better with our heads blown off.
The US Government also had "overwhelming" evidence that Saddam Hussein had yellowcake or was about to get it, and that Iraq was overflowing with WMD's.
We also heard that the US Government was no way tracking everyone, and didn't even have the capability to monitor every email and phone call in the US.
It's nothing but a continuous stream of bullshit form the US government. They are not to be trusted. Period.
Troll of course, I assume :)
If not: Jesus you're so far out of touch it's scary. The culture that produced you is seriously broken.
(Actually it could go either way I guess :)
(I always bring my Baby tak3 my very own shitter, if you move a table
Let them wither on the vine.
The insane amount of hot women there is wasted on a country of men with such weak sex drives that they can't even sustain their population. Pathetic.
Putin is an idiot. He started playing games with Ukraine and never saw the long game.
Doubtful this evidence is fabricated. The US isn't going to fabricate evidence that can be corroborated by others independently. Its not like any of those images are too small for Google Earth. The EU, China, Japanese, and all even some commercial interests have satellites that can see the same thing. Now the US has told them where to look, others can see for themselves. Nobody (except maybe Pravda) has called BS on this.
But the Russians may be right about a US lead smear campaign..... This is all about sanctions by the EU, which is really all about who sells the EU Natural Gas. The US has some serious gas reserves that is itching to sell for good money. Hard to do if EU is purchasing from Gazprom.
But this is all on Putin. If he didn't provide the smear material, the US couldn't use it.
Haven't you seen the video with the Russian military intelligence specialist Igor Strelkov laughing as the plane hits the ground and explodes? On a side note, Igor sure gives credence to the old joke about military intelligence being an oxymoron. Putin will have him killed for all the trouble he has caused, because there is no way that idiot was acting in anyone's best interests when he murdered those civilians.
At least by the headline it seems so. I took a look this morning at two of them and you can clearly see some areas in the "pre" that had "bomb craters" just as the purported second "post" image. Also notice differences in resolution.
These images - just like anything the Russians or Ukranians give - should not be taken at face value.
It's one thing to ship the murder weapon to the killers and another to operate it yourself. The donor of the weapon isn't guilty of its use (even if he's pretty much aware of what the recipient will be doing with it). Now... shelling across a border that wasn't moved Crimea-style into Russia just yet... That's an act of aggression however you look at it.
Oh, sorry.
We are all disgusted by what everyone does yet we still continue to sell them weapons in which they can do disgusting things. Be it software or hardware, money still talks.
(*As something to make me laugh, my first anti-bot word for anonymuous coward was 'execute')
Thanks Putin, you fucking asshat.
I used to like you. You used to be cool. But you just had to be a dick and try do a Hitler 2.0.
Funny that they illustrate this report with the actual shelling of the city of Gorlovka by the Ukrainian army. Yeah, actual civilians being bombed by their US sponsored government to the complete indifference of the western media. I guess those reporters can't be bothered to point that out.
Less believable? See:
http://www.thestar.com.my/News...
http://www.malaysia-chronicle....
http://www.straitstimes.com/ne...
for a demonstration of Goebbels' and Stalin's idea that if a big lie is repeated often enough it becomes the truth.
In fact, Russia invented satellite!
No, wait, they did.
ftfy
The summary says "Russian forces" which is generally assumed to mean official troops, but I think it's far more likely to be Russian rebels firing on Ukraine from Russia.
Putin has no need to involve official Russian troops when there are more than enough "volunteers" willing to carry out the battle. Russia gives them a few big guns and they keep them safe on the Russian side of the border so the Ukrainians can't fight back. The bonus is that by keeping the Ukrainians away from the border they can keep it open and continue the flow of troops and arms from Russia.
I stole this Sig
When you start dropping shells on their side of the border.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2014/07/russia-warns-over-deadly-ukraine-shelling-201471391428887801.html
At least Russia shoots on military units, while on the other side, the army of Ukraine has been shelling cities full of civilians. And I cannot wait to learn who really shot down MH 17.
Agreed.
WTF. Obama should nuke Russia.
(kidding)
The SU-25 jets, loaded with missiles, can only reach about half the altitude that flight 17 was flying at. Because russia lies, it falls apart at even the slightest investigation and fact checking. By spreading Russian lies, you're either a useful idiot, or a paid provocateur.
Look on Australia, ye Mighty, and despair!
You do have memory troubles...
Or you like to start the clock where it suits your narrative.
Either way, reading the comments, there are a lot of really miss-informed people or the trolls are out in full force banging the drums of war.
This is about the US keeping the US dollar as the worlds default currency.
The BRICS country's (lead by Russia) are setting up there own banking system that neatly cuts the US dollar out.
This aggression will not stand, man.
Joe Biden is a square shooter. Joe Biden for 2016
First of all, someone doesn't like what is going on in the Far East.
They don't like the Oil pipelines selling oil not in dollars.
They don't like the elected leaders so they over throw them, and the whole thing is so corrupt, they don't even try and hide the fact anymore and use communications wide out in the open for people to record and play back of their corruption.
I am suppose to believe, that a country which beat Napoleon, Hitler and has state of the art military gear easily matching anything the United States or the West has, can't figure out what a passenger airliner looks like and decides to blow it up for some sort of secret gain?
Of course, while all of this is going on it is I am sure JUST A COINCIDENCE, that the make and model of the airliner shot down is the exact same kind of air plane, from the same place one of the same make and model, freakin same country of origin and even the SAME FREAKING AIRPORT, matches the one that disappeared a few months ago "somewhere over the pacific".
In case you people haven't figured this out yet, this is about the dollar. As in, since 2007 the corruption is so EPIC in our banking industry, they are robbing anything that is not nailed down to cover the loses of this looting since, well, nobody was prosecuted.
So, the same crooks keep robbing the financial system, over and over and over and over. As a result the debts get bigger and bigger and bigger.
They basically need to loot Iran, and Syria since they already looted Iraq and want that gas and oil next to Russia.
Even Biden's kid was installed to insure the Oil stays in the family so to speak. Yeah, I can just see how happy a Ukraine citizen is going to be when it is so obvious our government is looting their country for Oil and Gas, going so far as to put kids of our crony government/Federal Reserve reps in charge to insure the looting goes according to plan.
All of it is funded by the Federal Reserve and its crony Wall Street puppet banks.
You know, Russia isn't a goat herding outback country like Iran. You fuck with these people and you are going to wake up with a few cities missing.
Russia will not bend its knee to Napolean, Hitler and especially not a bunch of fucking banker wank jobs from New York.
Got Geometrodynamics? Awe, too hard to figure out? Too bad.
Russians published their satellite data and detailed radar records. Data clearly implicates Ukraine army. Interviews with locals who seen this incident seem to confirm russian version. Yet western media managed to black it out completely. Russians asked US and Ukraine to publish their data. US is hiding its satellite data and istead published some joke screenshots. Ukraine government went even further: their security services confiscated data from air traffic control (there was also some BBS news on this topic, yet I didn't bookmark link for it).
It's all about BRICS and petrodollar. US thinks Putin has to be removed at all costs in order to keep petrodollar ponzi scheme working. This is pretty good summary of this whole Ukraine debacle.
USA is in hysterics over Russia for dropping the dollar as a currency. I'd be scared shitless too because printing dollars is what keeps USA able to support its imperialistic wars of conquest. Just on Friday Switzerland and CHina made another dollar dropping deal. USA must be shitting ts pants now. No wonder all the Russian bashing has intensified. I have been your so called news web site for a while now. When the USA government was bashing China, /. wasnt far behind, it made sure to featured China bashing article daily. Now it's Russia turn.
Well Im done now. I am deleting my bookmark and I will NEVER visit this web site ever again. I want news, not propaganda.
But before I leave here is a list of all the lies USA has used over the last decade to justify its wars of aggression.
I have complied of the known lies USA has said over the last decade.
insolent lies USA has used in the last decade to start up wars:
1990 babies taken out of incubators and left to die on cold hospital floor
1990-1999 Saddam working on nuclear weapons
2001 Osama engineered and did 9-11
2001-2003 Saddam has ties with Ali Queda
2001-2003 Saddam has weapons of mass distraction (Colin Powell, Bush jr, Cheney, Condy Rice, etc)
2002-2203 Saddam working on weapons of mass distraction
2002-2003 Saddam working on acquiring nuclear weapons
2001 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2001 Iran has ties with Ali Queda
2002 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2003 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2004 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2005 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2006 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2007 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2008 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2009 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2010 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2011 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2012 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2013 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2013 Assad gassed his own people (part 1)
2013 Assad gassed his own people (part 2)
2014 Iran will have nuclear bomb
2014 Assad gassed his own people (part 3)
Let's leave for now the lies USA used to start the Vietnam war, the Korean war, WWII, war againts SPain and so on.
I think I'm dealing with rational people and not paid shills but obviously I was wrong.
Forgive me, but by now any rational person will stop believing ANYTHING the USA's Corporate Owned Media says about ANYTHING. Obviously none of you is rational;
But last parting words: no matter what you do, Russia WILL keep on developing while USA will keep on fading. Soon USA time will be over while China and Russia WILL be the next super powers in the world. No matter how many lies the USA can say NO matter what USA does it WILL fail. USA cannot stop Russia from advancing.
Goodbye shills. You are sad exuses for beings Youy are not even human. If you were so smart as you claim to be you'd use your brains and you can iueasily see the so called news are just propaganda.
Good luck USA. You will need it.
Russia had an opportunity to become a democracy. They decided to follow Putin instead. The truth is: Putin is a dictator. He illegally invaded Georgia in 2002, and still has 20% of that countries territory. Earlier this year he invaded Crimea, and is claiming it as his own. Just like Hitler, he is claiming language speakers need his help, and is cheerful to invade other countries and take them over 'in the name of protection'. So now you have Putin ordering thousands of Russian soldiers 'on exercises' near the Ukrainian border, Russian heavy weapons crossing into Ukraine, Russian Artillery firing at Ukrainian forces across the border, Russian jets firing at Ukrainian jets over Ukraine, and Russian Rockets in Pro-Russia Rebels firing at Malaysian Passenger Jets flying over Ukraine, followed by Putin putting the blame squarely on Ukraine. The leaders of the Pro-Russian rebels are all members of the Russian FSB (the successor to the the KGB).
And Russia provided a video of the Buk launch (in IR) from Ukrainian territory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Given that Ukraine routinely shoots into Russian territory (even killing several people on the Russian side), it's little wonder that Russia shoots back.
A decade ago I would have believed this as gospel, now I'm not sure. It's difficult to believe the US voice any more.
Interesting? My god, this guy sounds like a russian clone of the Drudge Report.
And an IFF on mode 3. And flying much higher than the military plane.
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Does anyone believe the propaganda that comes out of the US State Department any more?
"STOP! Or I'll say 'stop' again!"
Pretty sad how so few even care enough to investigate any of these claims.
Getting rid of Putin is in the best long term interests of the US, NATO and the EU. Turning the tables in this conflict could destabilize his domestic power, making new western freindly leadership more likely. The EU is spineless (I live in Germany) and will not act unless it absolutely must.
My crazy solution. If this becomes a shooting war between Ukraine and Russia, the US should "loan" the Ukrainians a squadron of warships, put Ukrainian flags on them and use the Russian Black Sea Fleet for target practice. Bring all Russian sea faring commerce in the region to a halt and negotiate the complete withdrawal of Russia (including the "pro Russian" variety) from Ukraine (including Crimea). It would work best if the EU would back this play politically. Under NATO command, a British task force could sail into the Baltic and threaten to do the same to the Russian Fleet there unless Putin acquiesces. Tourism in St. Petersburg might suffer for a bit, but Russia will be a better place in the long run (and the Russian people much better off) without Putin.
Threat to US - Zero. Threat to UK - Zero. Threat to Civilians in two theatres - significant but not imminent (note: I vacation on the Baltic). EU countries will have to pay higher gas prices until it’s all over.
Russia is acting a bully; I say we (NATO) give the weak kid a big stick, watch his back and tell him to whack away until the bully learns his lesson. Russian shipping is an easy target and will hurt them significantly. Hopefully leading to Putin’s political ruin. Surely someone has a better and less violent solution: please share it here.
Yes the USA is screwed up. Russia is even worse. China is a whole new level of screwd upp. Good luck to us all if Dumb (dictator) and Dumber (The One True Party) rule the world.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/d...
It could still be a missile; witnesses weren't specific. And that it was the only instance of it diverted to that northerly flight plan is just a tad suspicious.
My Photoshop skills are easily up to whatever images either sides' propaganda arm produces. Give me eyewitnesses.
BTW, yes I can spot a Boeing at FL33, with a $10 pair of binocs I could tell a 737 from a 767.
What is this so called news doing in a supposedly tech oriented journal? But its here so:
Major news story released as email via Social Networks - Really
Major news released at 8:45 AM Sunday Morning - EDT - 545 AM on the West Coast - Really.
No news Conference with experts explaining the photos - Really. Photos authenticated by ??????? Really.
What's next - Yellow Cake
Really.
Even the lowliest homeless American junkie is smart enough not to use krokodil. Russians are crazy stupid, drunken and dangerous.
Anyone who is sincerely interested in understanding the current Ukraine situation, PLEASE READ THIS (published back in March):
http://www.counterpunch.org/20...
Also, please understand that the disputed Eastern part of Ukraine was part of Russia for most of its history. Indeed, in the 10th century, Kiev (the present-day capital of Ukraine) was the first capital of Rus, the forerunner of Russia.
in contrast, note that only a few centuries ago present-day Ukraine was part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. (See the top map at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...). The Poles have historically been just as aggressive and territory-hungry as the Russians; possibly more so, as the Russians had many other directions in which to expand (notably the East). It's a serious mistake to think of Poles and Lithuanians as victims and underdogs just because that was their fate in the 20th century. The movie "Taras Bulba" (starring Tony Curtis and Yul Brynner) gives a somewhat Hollywoodized but substantially accurate impression of a time when the Polish nobility ruled and swaggered across the region, imposing their rule on Slavs and Cossacks. The movie was based on a largely factual story of the same name by Gogol.
I am amazed by the extent to which grossly deceptive and misleading accounts of the events in Ukraine have been accepted throughout the West. No one in this story has behaved in a saintly way, but the Russian speaking citizens of Ukraine who wish their areas to be taken back into Russia are surely within their rights. ("When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another...") For decades, Americans supported the right of Northern Irish republicans to become part of the Republic of Ireland; and in a couple of months, citizens of Scotland will be voting on the question of independence. Under Russian law, anyone born in the USSR who speaks Russian has the right to Russian citizenship. And surely if a region is predominantly inhabited by Russian citizens, they have the right to become part of Russia (again)? Why should Russians be condemned to citizenship of a failed state run by violent neo-Nazis just because of an administrative decision taken in Moscow (without their consent) back in the days of the USSR?
I am sure that there are many other solipsists out there.
Has anyone else noticed that the avalanche of RT posters seems to have subsided? For a couple of months any mention of Crimea or the Ukraine was mobbed by dozens of scripted posts about "fascists in Kiev" and so on. Very much in the style of the 1980's information warfare efforts from the Soviets. But I'm getting the sense someone in Moscow has turned down the tap, and told the guys in the RT.com boiler rooms to hold off. Maybe Putin is giving up on this one?
how quick Americans are to point out the wrong others are doing.
It is just a matter of time that Russia, Ukraine or any other of the ex-soviet states fucks it up utterly. And with a crackhead like Putin in the Kremlin it already seems to have begun.
And yes, there are talks about sanctions, but as this happens the Russian company who builds the BUK system has an offinc in Amsterdam meant to whitewash money and getting a free ride on taxes here in Holland. I still remember how a few months ago a bunch of shitheads were criticising the fact we Dutch were questioning the tax exemptions on international companies here in NL. While STarbucks and CO are only abusing us Dutch worker's pockets there are some other of our lovely "guests" that directly shoot us from the skies. So, thank you heer Rutte and all our lovely liberal and centre right governments for all this.
-- 29A the number of the Beast
Perhaps someone already commented on this ( if so, very sorry ) - but how does a civilian access satellites and take pictures ?
Screw You.
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http://ronpaulinstitute.org/ar...
http://jonathanturley.org/2014...
Got Geometrodynamics? Awe, too hard to figure out? Too bad.
Operation Northwoods
Yeah, Detroit is fucked. Now, are people in Detroit too dumb to see through classic propaganda? Your own government is responsible for the coup in Ukraine and is now trying to start a war with Russia. That's what should have been discussed here. Of course the people who shot down MH17 knew what they were aiming at.
People forget that their own criminal president is about to be impeached.
Honestly, if the photo's were not from the US intelligence I'd probably believe it. But since they are I reserve doubt.
Jeruvy
USA throws cookies to Ukraine to have it as their sweet puppet, to be closer to Russia. Then USA develops a Fascist Coup plan in Kiev, and all the events following after that.
Ukraine fascists kill people in the eastern regions in thousands, to please USA.
This lie is fabricated by assholes in CIA.
My granny do the same - first imagine something 'bout us, then imagine proves and start telling we are not lucky with her. Still she cant use graphical editors, like those guys.