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Is "Scorpion" Really a Genius?

An anonymous reader writes CBS's upcoming hacker show Scorpion is pitched as based on the real life of Irish 'eccentric genius' Walter O'Brien a.k.a. "Scorpion". Some of the claims made for the real Scorpion are extraordinary. A child prodigy with an IQ of 197, hacking Nasa at age 13, [supplying] Ireland with more Personal Computers than DELL and Gateway together. Searching online I wasn't able to find anything which, for me, clearly backed up any of these (or other) claims. For example, rather than being the sixth fastest programmer in the world in 1993, his team ranked 90th out of 250 teams. Curiously, his degree grade was an ok, but hardly stellar B+ (II-I). Does anyone know anything to back up the genius claims being made about Scorpion?

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  1. Never let the truth by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Get in the way of a good story.

    1. Re:Never let the truth by cytg.net · · Score: 3, Interesting

      197 is a significant number, I dont think many officiall tests go that high, point being there should very well be a track record somewhere if he actually took this test and made 197.

    2. Re:Never let the truth by cheater512 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yep AFAIK the tests stop at 165 or around there. Anything above is made up as there is no statistical data that can confirm it.

      197 would imply there is someone out there with an IQ of 3 as well.

    3. Re:Never let the truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      There is. I worked for a number of them

    4. Re:Never let the truth by fellip_nectar · · Score: 5, Funny

      197 would imply there is someone out there with an IQ of 3 as well.

      Just browse at -1 and you'll have your statistical data...

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    5. Re:Never let the truth by fellip_nectar · · Score: 3, Funny

      Meh. It's only the same IQ as 197 PE Teachers.

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    6. Re:Never let the truth by Chrisq · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yep AFAIK the tests stop at 165 or around there. Anything above is made up as there is no statistical data that can confirm it.

      197 would imply there is someone out there with an IQ of 3 as well.

      Some of the tests on young children with age correction can yield this type of figure. I wouldn't be surprised if he was measured with an IQ of 197 at an age of 5 or 6, but it would result in a much lower measurement as an adult.

    7. Re:Never let the truth by Swoopy · · Score: 2

      There's obviously been a bit of kissing the Blarney stone involved in how this story came together.

    8. Re:Never let the truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I was tested back in 1981 and was technically "off the chart", which made it difficult for the test proctors to fill a box on the form. So, they were basically forced to estimate my IQ, probably through extrapolation from my other tests. For what it's worth, *my* estimated score was 189.

      I also started my first company at 13 and have started and sold several since then. At a relatively young age, I wised up and distanced myself from my 'black hat' personas and handles. I became an consultant and I currently use my skills to make good money. Anyway, this guy till looks and sounds like a smug, dick-waving narcissist and is probably a complete bullshit artist.

      I was a "recognized and respected" hacker and phreaker myself, well before the days of the public Internet. I was a member of a few groups back in the day, and my 'main group' occasionally worked with American groups. The only 'Scorpion' I remember was a member of MOD, the group that got into a pissing match with LOD after I left the scene in the late 80's. All but a couple of my old handles have since been claimed by script kiddies and mouth-breathing punks, so I can only guess this is the case for 'Scorpion'.

      It's not a big deal for me - I prefer to use my real name around the office.

    9. Re:Never let the truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      197 would imply there is someone out there with an IQ of 3 as well.

      No it wouldn't. 197 is 6.5 standard deviations from the mean, which has a likelihood of 1 in 12,500,000,000. 3 is the same distance with the same likelihood. So given that there exists a person with IQ 197, the likelihood of there being a person with IQ 3 is still 1 in 12,500,000,000.

      I suppose you think if you hit four blacks in a row on roulette you should always go red because it's red's turn to come up?

    10. Re:Never let the truth by StikyPad · · Score: 5, Funny

      I saw that. Get back to work or I'll put your internet in the recycle bin again. And this time I'll make sure it's emptied!!!

    11. Re:Never let the truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And your name is?

      Because I wrote that kind of fiction when I was 14 too.

    12. Re:Never let the truth by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Or, as we know from The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, "This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."

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    13. Re:Never let the truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      My IQ is average (for peeps in development), I've never started my own company but I have a decent career and good a good wage. I can't be fucked with hacking any more but fiddled when I was younger. I've got an amazing girlfriend, a fantastic daughter and slightly scary ex-partner.
      Oh my cock size is average.

      I'm happy with my lot as well.

      Ain't this fun.

    14. Re:Never let the truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IQ tests were designed to identify kids who are not as skilled as other kids of their age. The purpose of the tests was never to identify geniuses.

      But there is an easy test for identifying geniuses:
      - They invent things that others don't, and they do it often.

    15. Re:Never let the truth by johnsnails · · Score: 1

      He uses multiple br tags to create padding on his home page...

    16. Re:Never let the truth by johnsnails · · Score: 1

      Never mind, few posts down does a better job of speaking about his site.

    17. Re:Never let the truth by hacker · · Score: 1

      Then why does newspaper columnist Marian vos Savant have a recorded IQ of 228?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    18. Re:Never let the truth by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      We like like the idea of the IQ score as a measurement. It is a number to say I am better then someone else.
      However people are complex and their IQ is only part of the overall person. Very successful people have average or even below average IQ's as well. They can compensate it with Physical abilities, strong influential personality, or just knowing who to ask for answers and good guidance for better decisions.
      A person with a High IQ and they know about it use it as a crutch to make them feel superior to others, while actually inconveniencing themselves by disregarding advice from people with experience and skills they they have not gotten.

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    19. Re:Never let the truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And what does that show? Do you really think HE wrote the website or maybe someone named Brandon Lavere was brought in to create it. And then do you think the founder of the company is going to personally review the work done on a marketing page?

      Should I value you based on the HTML in your Slashdot user page Mr John OhMyGodYouCan'tEvenHandleUnicode Snails?

      I'm sure Scorpius is a dick. He using his "hacker handle" for sucks fake. Lay in to him for his 14year old fantasy rants by proving them wrong. Don't build up a straw man of bad HTML tags and knock it over to fill big.

    20. Re:Never let the truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Comedy Gold!

    21. Re:Never let the truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      IQ scores are standardized at mean 100, sd 15, so 145 is 3 sd above the mean, 160 is 4 sd above the mean.

      For most tests, the uncertainty in the score (that is, how much variation there would be in the score for a single individual, taking the test multiple times, assuming no "learning" the test) is fairly large at both ends of the distribution. In order to get low uncertainties, you need lots of test subjects, and when you get to 3 or 4 sd away from the mean, there's just not that many people (0.1% > 3sd above mean)

      there's also not much practical value in discriminating among outliers. There is a lot of practical value in accurate discrimination among the middle. Imagine giving a test to a room full of 50 school children. The ones who are more than 2 sd above the mean are in the top 2%.. whether they are 2.5, 3, or 10 sd isn't important: you have to individually assess what they need. Likewise those who are 2sd below the mean.

      But knowing that the class is mostly in the top sd or bottom sd is actually pretty useful, from a "what do we do next" standpoint

    22. Re:Never let the truth by rossdee · · Score: 1

      "No it wouldn't. 197 is 6.5 standard deviations from the mean, which has a likelihood of 1 in 12,500,000,000. 3 is the same distance with the same likelihood. So given that there exists a person with IQ 197, the likelihood of there being a person with IQ 3 is still 1 in 12,500,000,000."

      So nobody should be scoring that high since there are only about 7,000,000,000 people on the planet and not all of them have taken IQ tests

      ":I suppose you think if you hit four blacks in a row

      That depends what state/city you're in (and are you a Klansman)

    23. Re:Never let the truth by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 5, Informative

      197 would imply there is someone out there with an IQ of 3 as well.

      Some of the tests on young children with age correction can yield this type of figure. I wouldn't be surprised if he was measured with an IQ of 197 at an age of 5 or 6, but it would result in a much lower measurement as an adult.

      Just to be clear, IQ originally stood for intelligence quotient, which was originally defined as mental age / physical age * 100. E.g., if you took a test at age 5 and scored as well as the average 10-year-old, you'd have an IQ of mental age 10 divided by physical age 5 (*100) = 200.

      This sort of scoring is how Marilyn vos Savant, for example, managed to get an IQ score of 228 or something, which used to be listed as the highest IQ ever by the Guinness Book of World Records. However, that kind of test scoring has been completely deprecated since at least the early 1950s, and even Marilyn basically was taking an outdated form by the time she was scored almost 60 years ago. Guinness recognized this, and so retired the record category.

      Nowadays, IQ scales usually are based on standard deviations, where a score of +/- 15 from 100 constitutes one standard deviation away from the average intelligence for that age. And I'm assuming this Scorpion guy is not 70 years old or something, so there's no reason he should have taken an IQ test using the old scoring method.

      So, if someone has a claimed IQ of 197, that would be about 6.467 standard deviations above the norm. That comes out to somewhere around 1 in 10 BILLION people. And keep in mind that age scaling requires comparison only with kids at the age of the test taker, so this guy's claim would require that the test had been normed against a large enough population of whatever age he took the test was to differentiate at a 1 in 10 billion level.

      Simply put, that's impossible, since there aren't that many people total on the planet.

      So -- the only explanation is that someone gave him an older form of the IQ test, which computed scores using that outdated formula of mental age / physical age. And that IQ formula was deprecated because it was shown to give stupid meaningless results. Which leads one to ask -- for a guy who claims to be so smart, why would he insist on citing a statistic that is meaningless and shows the person who administered the test was probably incompetent (since he/she used an outdated formula that doesn't agree with modern norms)?

    24. Re:Never let the truth by nine-times · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Also, from what I've come to understand, IQ tests just aren't ultimately that useful for ranking the intelligence of smart people. At least, according to a few different psychologists that I've talked to, the main purpose of IQ tests, the reason they're used and considered valid, is in detecting developmental problems rather than detecting genius.

      So if someone scores a 160 as opposed to a 130, it gives some indication that the person is good at certain kinds of mental activity-- for example, spotting patterns in numbers and geometric shapes. That's about all you can really say, and it's ultimately not that meaningful. Of course, people who are really brilliant math/science types will likely do pretty well on these tests, but doing well on these tests does not make you a brilliant mathematician or scientist.

      Where the test is helpful is in seeing problems/deficiencies. If you test a child who gets a score of 70, then it's a pretty good indicator that he should be put into a special program. That's what the test is good for, and that's largely why they administer it. If you're an adult, lording your 150 IQ over someone who scored a 145, then you're an idiot. If you're citing your 197 IQ as some sort of qualification for something, it's that much dumber.

    25. Re:Never let the truth by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Read the entire article. From the same article:

      the psychologist who came up with an IQ of 228 committed an extrapolation of a misconception, thereby violating almost every rule imaginable concerning the meaning of IQs

      A subsequent test pegged her at around 188.

      Again from the same article, her own opinion.

      Savant sees IQ tests as measurements of a variety of mental abilities and thinks intelligence entails so many factors that "attempts to measure it are useless."

    26. Re:Never let the truth by geek · · Score: 2

      So -- the only explanation is that someone gave him an older form of the IQ test

      Or he lied. He probably lied judging from his online persona.

    27. Re:Never let the truth by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      I suppose you think if you hit four blacks in a row on roulette you should always go red because it's red's turn to come up?

      Although statistically it's totally irrelevant what the prior spins are, betting like this is how I pay for my expenses whenever I visit Vegas. Sure, I don't make a fortune doing it (usually just 20 here, 40 there), but I've never walked away from a roulette table a loser.

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    28. Re:Never let the truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A lot of interesting info until you get to:
      Simply put, that's impossible, since there aren't that many people total on the planet. which is a isn't even wrong.

    29. Re:Never let the truth by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      A lot of interesting info until you get to: Simply put, that's impossible, since there aren't that many people total on the planet. which is a isn't even wrong.

      What's wrong with that statement? It IS impossible to norm a test that discriminates at a 1 in 10 billion level when maybe only a few hundred million people (maybe?) have taken IQ tests, and likely only a few million have actually been used in constructing the norming scale.

      If you thought I was saying that there can't be a person who is actually at a level of 1 in 10 billion intelligence, well, that's not what I was saying. (Certainly that's possible, even if we don't have that many people on the planet.) Instead, I was saying it's impossible to create a test that would discriminate at that level given the data available... and even if we could, what exactly is it measuring? Unless the test is designed by someone near that intelligence level (unlikely), the results would be meaningless... and frankly would likely simply be confirmation bias (selecting for whatever the test designer's pet view of "intelligence" is).

    30. Re:Never let the truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...Which leads one to ask -- for a guy who claims to be so smart, why would he insist on citing a statistic that is meaningless and shows the person who administered the test was probably incompetent (since he/she used an outdated formula that doesn't agree with modern norms)?

      A rhetorical question, surely: Because it makes good ad copy.

    31. Re:Never let the truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      The old system had it about right. I went into primary school in England one day in 1954 and it was 11+ plus intellegence test day. I was streamed into a secondary school that specialized in keeping you off the street until your 15th birthday. Been stuck as a software developer for the last 40 years and still can't figure out what you lot are going on about.

    32. Re:Never let the truth by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      A person with a High IQ and they know about it use it as a crutch to make them feel superior to others, while actually inconveniencing themselves by disregarding advice from people with experience and skills they they have not gotten.

      I'd say quite the opposite. I value everyone's experiences and skills and learn from them. But it has happened many times that I was in a group of people who encountered a problem that didn't lie within anyone's experiences and skill set, and I was the one who figured out a solution. That's what intelligence is there for.

    33. Re:Never let the truth by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Are you telling me I should not spend the $50.00 to get my certificate? That web site clearly said my score was 206, and I can even get the proof!

      ps
      In case you miss what should be obvious, this is called sarcasm.

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    34. Re:Never let the truth by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      I have an uncle who is an extremely bright man... and insufferably arrogant and lazy. It's as if he has come to believe his high IQ is an end unto itself, and that somehow the universe was supposed to just bow down and hand him everything on a silver platter. He's an alcoholic who was abusive to his wife and kids (until she finally got up and left). But for years all I'd hear from my aunt was how awfully bright and tortured he was, and if you pointed out he'd barely made a living for years, you got some nonsense about him being a member of Mensa thrown in your face.

      I have no idea what my IQ is, never really cared. Good at some things, struggle with others, but the one thing I'm not is a complete dick. I'll take happiness and a measure of success over some number on a piece of paper any day.

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    35. Re:Never let the truth by taustin · · Score: 1

      IQ tests measure one's ability to take IQ tests. That is the only thing they measure.

    36. Re:Never let the truth by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Why are so many ACs so smart?

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    37. Re:Never let the truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed this is the reason Marilyn vos Savant relies on a test taken when she was 10 years old. The age correction multiplier depends on extrapolating IQ by fitting to an assumed development curve. Not only is the extrapolated development not a foregone conclusion, but any score beyond 160-170 is basically such an outlier that it's more indicative of a quirk of the testing scheme than of relative IQ of the subject.

    38. Re:Never let the truth by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      I guess everything above 150 is either a "wild guess" or simply a 'curve approaching a flat line'.

      IQ tests are a bit tricky, as they usually involve a time limit. (And you can practice doing IQ tests just as you can practice for a math test). So in other words if one has an IQ of 150, and the other one has one of 162, it only means the other one answered 3 questions with 4 points more. That means he was faster. The first one likely had answered those 3 questions as well, if he had had time.
      While the time limit is an important constraint, it does not help in figuring how good one is in solving really difficult mental problems.
      I would say, one who goes significantly beyond 150 is a "mental sprinter" who's brain is still fit when the others are exhausted ... well, the exhausting point was 15 mins before the end :D

      Bottom line I don't believe that IQ tests are that interesting or significant. Sure, there is a difference if one is 100 and the other one 140 or 150 ... likewise there is a difference between 150 and 160 ... but which is more meaningful?

      I can only talk about myself, I'm not that intelligent. I did not like math beyond or at the level of diferential equations ... perhaps I'm just to lazy and had never the drive to learn/practice the matter. Normal physics was never an issue for me, I got it explained once and I reconstructed the formulas during the examinations, because I used to forget them.

      Unfortunately my parents where very dumb, they never indicated that you could prepare for an examination or a test. And when other pupils said: "I'm learning for the next test" I simply did not grasp it ... until my 12th class in school I never learned for anything. Luckily a few years ago a friend told me, he was just the same ... took me basically till I was 25 to realize that you can actually can prepare for a test.

      Anyway, my point was: I did 3 or 4 times an IQ test, the 4th was when the german army tried to recruit me. Stupid as I was, I again made a test with superb math results. With lead them to decide I should join the artillery (my friends who did smart but mediocre came to the south german air traffic control/air space monitoring, they had exciting times with east german and Russian "bandits" intruding west german air space). Their reasoning was: "you have to be able to read from look up tables", ah ha! I actually considered to follow the draft (it was still drafting time then) but I wanted to either be a "deep infiltration scout" or a "para trooper". So I started studying at the university and avoided the draft until the law was changed and we do no longer draft (actually: until I was to old :D hehe, the law change was later)

      So, IQ tests ... well, for me they feel like cheating. I never saw one where the answers to the questions were not obvious. Unless for those answers where actually two of the "multiple choice" options was correct, but the examiner insisted only one is the 'correct' one. This are the questions where I usually fail, something in my brain finds the first answer, which is considered only the second best one. I'm very convinced that the crafters of such tests are simply "brain damaged".

      I saw a TV show a few years ago where 4 candidates should do an IQ test. A certain question had two correct answers, by accident this time (jury insisted, A) is the simpler solution so it is correct, and B) is "right" but to complex so it is wrong). 50% of the candidates had chosen B) ... the others had wrong answers. So the jury decided all answers where wrong.

      There was an uprear in the audience when the solution was provided, because 90% considered B (and I obviously as well, I was close to even judge that A was wrong -- much to much generalized to be acceptable)

      Anyway, my conclusion is: IQ tests test how good you are in doing IQ tests. I meat much to many people in c

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    39. Re:Never let the truth by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2

      197 would imply there is someone out there with an IQ of 3 as well.

      Just browse at -1 and you'll have your statistical data...

      Or, apparently, from recent postings, talk with a Comcast customer service representative.

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    40. Re:Never let the truth by geoskd · · Score: 1

      If you're citing your 197 IQ as some sort of qualification for something, it's that much dumber.

      Not if it acheives the result you were aming for: separating those closer to the 100 mark from their money.

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    41. Re:Never let the truth by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      You know what the people of lower IQ separates the one with a higher IQ?

      The later one knows that the likelihood of 1 : 12,500,000,000 has nothing to do with the actual number of people living on the planet.

      Proof: if we have a ten times increase of population, the likelihood does not change at all ...

      So nobody should be scoring that high since there are only about 7,000,000,000 people on the planet and not all of them have taken IQ tests

      And no one should win the lottery ... (equally false ;D )

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    42. Re:Never let the truth by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Quite correct.

      As an IQ test is usually split into 4 or 5 topics, like "language", "logic", "math", "optical patterns" it is pretty simple possible that one excels in the first two and has a total of IQ 120 and the other excels in the later two and has an IQ of 120 and both are absolutely not comparable besides scoring the same number.

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    43. Re:Never let the truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hell, you get 40 points automatically for showing up and 50 if you brought a pencil.

    44. Re:Never let the truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe you are correct in all areas except one. If you estimate the distribution of all test takers for a given age category, then it is entirely possible to show that someone is 6.5 sigma from the mean, without actually sampling 1/10 billion people to be sure that all of them are less intelligent. That, after all, is the point of statistics.

    45. Re:Never let the truth by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If you estimate the distribution of all test takers for a given age category, then it is entirely possible to show that someone is 6.5 sigma from the mean, without actually sampling 1/10 billion people to be sure that all of them are less intelligent. That, after all, is the point of statistics.

      First, note that most of the test norming has been done on samples of a few thousand people. The major IQ tests have been normed rather rigorously a number of times, but certainly not on samples of more than tens of thousands of people. Extrapolating an that outlier is somewhere around 6.5 sigma from the mean with any accuracy from such population samples is pretty difficult to begin with.

      But beyond that, one has to ask whether it is even possible to measure "general intelligence" with a level of accuracy that we could pinpoint, literally, the smartest person in the world. I don't think we can. Maybe we could come up with a definition of "general intelligence" that accurately puts someone in the top 1% or top 0.1%, but beyond that, we're probably not able to differentiate with any precision.

      So, the correct scientific and statistical conclusion to draw from an outlying score that appears to be 6.5 sigma from the mean in this case is -- "he's pretty far above average." Whether he's actually 4 sigma or 7 sigma is not really something any test can specify with any precision... and stating such a number is in fact meaningless. (The norms for modern IQ tests generally have a ceiling of 160 for that reason -- that's 4 sigma above norm. Beyond that, the tests make no claim, and that's probably appropriate given the ambiguity about what exactly we're measuring.)

    46. Re:Never let the truth by j-beda · · Score: 1

      I suppose you think if you hit four blacks in a row on roulette you should always go red because it's red's turn to come up?

      Although statistically it's totally irrelevant what the prior spins are, betting like this is how I pay for my expenses whenever I visit Vegas. Sure, I don't make a fortune doing it (usually just 20 here, 40 there), but I've never walked away from a roulette table a loser.

      Then you haven't played enough roulette, or actually kept accurate records.

    47. Re:Never let the truth by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      Get in the way of a good story.

      We're talking about a TV show. I've seen clips of CSI. They don't let reality get in the way of a stupid story. A good story would be one hell of a step up.

    48. Re:Never let the truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I took the Mensa pre-test, I scored 197 but on the actual test, 175. So they do go that high.

      Posting anon cause it's gauche to sling those numbers around and they mean little anyway.

    49. Re:Never let the truth by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Dunning-Kruger Effect: They are too dumb to understand intelligence scores, and hence claim ridiculous scores without being aware of it.

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    50. Re:Never let the truth by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      and yet you're still a virgin. how about trying to solve that problem? it's not that hard, i'm sure you can work out the mechanics.

    51. Re:Never let the truth by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Moreover, the correlations between "scoring high on IQ tests" and "accomplishes something significant" seem to die out with high IQs. It may be that we can't properly estimate IQs that high, or it may be that whatever IQ measures ceases to be a bottleneck around 140-150 for most things.

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    52. Re:Never let the truth by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Actually, the number does depend on the likelihood, assuming reasonable independence and an actual likelihood. With those numbers, I'd model it as a Poisson distribution, and the calculations aren't that difficult.

      Of course, I do have a higher IQ.

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    53. Re:Never let the truth by david_thornley · · Score: 2

      Every single bet possible on a roulette table has an expected value of less than zero. This is fairly easy to verify by going through each possible bet and noting that the payoff is a touch lower than the inverse of the probability.

      It's easy to prove, in probability, that the expectation of the sum is the sum of the expectations, so the expected value of any session or strategy is the sum of the expected value of the individual bets, which means that playing roulette will, on the average, lose money.

      There are ways to reduce the chance of walking away a loser. The martingale strategy is that you bet one chip on a best as close to even odds as possible, and double every time you lose. Of course, there's always a limit on the size of the bet, either a house limit or your available money, so you can hit a point where you've kept losing and can't double the bet. This means that you almost always will win one chip when you play, and you have a small chance to lose big. Since each bet loses money on the average, this means that the big losses will outweigh the small games on the average.

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    54. Re:Never let the truth by cheater512 · · Score: 1

      188 is still a rubbish number.

      You can tell who the stupid people are - they are the ones who aren't smart enough to give themselves a plausible IQ.

    55. Re:Never let the truth by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      I suppose you think if you hit four blacks in a row on roulette you should always go red because it's red's turn to come up?

      Although statistically it's totally irrelevant what the prior spins are, betting like this is how I pay for my expenses whenever I visit Vegas. Sure, I don't make a fortune doing it (usually just 20 here, 40 there), but I've never walked away from a roulette table a loser.

      Then you haven't played enough roulette, or actually kept accurate records.

      I would remember losing. Now, we're only talking about around $3,200 over like 4 different trips but still, it payed for my meals, taxis and, well, some of the alcohol. I never stay at the table, I swoop in, red or black, collect, and leave. I've stood around and watched people lose startling amounts of money on those tables.

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    56. Re:Never let the truth by j-beda · · Score: 2

      I suppose you think if you hit four blacks in a row on roulette you should always go red because it's red's turn to come up?

      Although statistically it's totally irrelevant what the prior spins are, betting like this is how I pay for my expenses whenever I visit Vegas. Sure, I don't make a fortune doing it (usually just 20 here, 40 there), but I've never walked away from a roulette table a loser.

      Then you haven't played enough roulette, or actually kept accurate records.

      I would remember losing. Now, we're only talking about around $3,200 over like 4 different trips but still, it payed for my meals, taxis and, well, some of the alcohol. I never stay at the table, I swoop in, red or black, collect, and leave. I've stood around and watched people lose startling amounts of money on those tables.

      Let me see if I understand you. Is this the gist of what your practices are? You walk down to the roulette wheel and wait for the ball to hit four blacks in a row, then place $800 on red and walk away a winner with an extra $800 in your pocket. I could certainly believe that has happened to you four times.

      If you are making "20 here, 40 there" on a red/black bets, then taking in $3200 would require around 800 to 1600 winning bets on red/black. To simplify the math, I'll say each bet was $40, so we need at least 800 more winning bets than losing bets. If you have actually only made those 800 winning bets, then wow - that's freaky! The odds of that happening are something like 1 in 6.7x10^240 (two to the power of eight hundred). I doubt very much you have NEVER lost a roulette bet, because the odds against that are so incredibly incredibly incredibly incredibly high (I should really add a whole lot more "incredibly" terms).

      So what might you actually be doing? Based on your reported winnings and bet size, we need 800 more wins than losses (assuming the numbers reported are accurate). A quick google search turns up a nice discussion about coin flips (link below) that I can use to get some calculations from. If we ignore the house advantage due to the green "0"/"00" slots we can just use a 50/50 probability. The variance of a Bernoulli distribution is: Var(X) = np(1-p) where n is the number of trials/bets, p is the expected probability of outcome 1 and (1 - p) is the expected probability of outcome 2. With p=1/2=0.5 we have Var(X) = n(1/2)(1-1/2) = n/4. The square root of the variance is the standard deviation and about 2/3 of all trials of a given size should fall within one standard deviation of the expected result (Wikipedia link below). If someone got 800 more wins than losses, that would not be too surprising as long as the number of bets they made was large enough so that they were still within a few standard deviations of the expected result of equal numbers of wins and losses. Only 1 out of 400 billion trails fall outside of 7 standard deviations, so 8 standard deviations should be very very very conservative (and makes the division of 800 simple!) So with a standard deviation of 800/8 = 100, this gives a variance of 100^2 =10,000 and the number of bets (n) is around 40,000. A more reasonable estimate of 4 standard deviations (1 out of 16,000 trials fall outside of 4 standard deviations), gives a standard deviation of 200, variance 40,000 and a number of bets of 160,000.

      flipping coins calcs: https://ca.answers.yahoo.com/q...
      standard deviation odds: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Basically, in order to have 800 more wins than losses, you need to make a whole lot of bets, unless the odds are significantly different from 50-50.

      For me at least, it seems likely that your memory or record keeping is at fault and that in actuality you have not come out $3,200 ahead on bets of $40. Or eve

    57. Re:Never let the truth by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      You know you are off by a factor of 10, right? We're talking about 80-160 trips to the tables, not 800-1600. As for my bets, min. run of 6, not 4, and max chase bets of 3. I never said I never lost a bet, I said I never walked away from a table a loser.

      Now if you really want to have fun, actually model it with those parameters and see how it turns out over 160 rounds.

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    58. Re:Never let the truth by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      So, you want to claim, that at a certain likelyhood, lets say 1:100, you need equal or more than 100 items to make the draw from?

      Yeah, you see: IQ != knowledge != understanding.

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    59. Re:Never let the truth by j-beda · · Score: 1

      You know you are off by a factor of 10, right? We're talking about 80-160 trips to the tables, not 800-1600. As for my bets, min. run of 6, not 4, and max chase bets of 3. I never said I never lost a bet, I said I never walked away from a table a loser.

      Now if you really want to have fun, actually model it with those parameters and see how it turns out over 160 rounds.

      Oh my goodness - you would think I could divide by 10 correctly, eh? I guess not.

      So if we model 80 extra wins over losses, if that is within 4 standard deviations of the expected value of zero extra wins, that make the standard deviation around 20, and the variance 400 and the number of total bets around 1600, which at least is starting to be more reasonable. A (very) few people (one out of about 16,000) who make 1600 bets will win 80 times more than they lose.

      So, what exactly is your activity? Explain it to me like I am stupid, cause I probably am, and I don't know what a chase bet is or anything like that. Are you waiting for a run of one colour and then betting $40, or is it more complicated than that?

    60. Re:Never let the truth by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      I wait for a run of 6 (or more) red or black. I walk up, place a bet (say $20) on the opposite color. Most of the time, I win right away. If I lose, I will double down (double my prior bet on the same color, so $40, $80, $160), but no more than three more times. Outside the first time I did this (and chased a $20 with over $600, realized what I did and set my rule!) I've never had to go past three (so 4 bets total)

      And that's it. Statically speaking I always have the same slightly less than 50/50 chance of winning (thanks to 0/00 it's not even odds although it pays that way), the prior spins really don't make any difference. Except, when I play this way, I win.Like I said, statistically it shouldn't work. Call it luck I guess.

      The downside is you need a busy casino (with busy tables, which is getting harder and harder to find even in Vegas these days) that allows cash or casino chips on outside bets (bets along the outside of the table for color, odd/even, etc) at their roulette tables vs making you buy table chips, which for roulette are specific to the table. You will not get rich playing this way, it's too slow and higher bets risk running into table limits if you start doubling down, but it's an easy way to pay for dinner.

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    61. Re:Never let the truth by j-beda · · Score: 1

      I wait for a run of 6 (or more) red or black. I walk up, place a bet (say $20) on the opposite color. Most of the time, I win right away. If I lose, I will double down (double my prior bet on the same color, so $40, $80, $160), but no more than three more times. Outside the first time I did this (and chased a $20 with over $600, realized what I did and set my rule!) I've never had to go past three (so 4 bets total)

      And that's it. Statically speaking I always have the same slightly less than 50/50 chance of winning (thanks to 0/00 it's not even odds although it pays that way), the prior spins really don't make any difference. Except, when I play this way, I win.Like I said, statistically it shouldn't work. Call it luck I guess.

      The downside is you need a busy casino (with busy tables, which is getting harder and harder to find even in Vegas these days) that allows cash or casino chips on outside bets (bets along the outside of the table for color, odd/even, etc) at their roulette tables vs making you buy table chips, which for roulette are specific to the table. You will not get rich playing this way, it's too slow and higher bets risk running into table limits if you start doubling down, but it's an easy way to pay for dinner.

      Thanks for explaining - that was the type of thing I thought you were getting at.

      Well, I suspect that if you keep good records, you'll soon find that you aren't winning as much as you think you are, but hey, small risk and a bit of enjoyment when you do (as you often will) take home the extra $20. Keeping accurate records will do either of two things - show you are actually winning against the odds, or demonstrated that you in fact are not. But if you are already happy with your understanding of the situation why bother? Obviously any losses that you might actually be taking clearly are not so great that they negatively impact your financial situation, so finding out about them is probably only going to decrease your happiness anyway.

      On four spins, the odds of loosing each time are one out of sixteen, and if you do run the whole four bets and lose you are out $20 + $40 + $80 + $160 = $300 (or twice that if you started at $40). If you have really won $3200 net while using this stopping at four loosing bets in a row you really do seem to be leading a charmed life.

      I wonder if any casino published lists of roulette results so one could check to see if in fact the colour that comes up after a long run of one colour is still 50/50 or not (OK, 50/52 with the green guys included). Here is a million spins: http://rouletteforum.cc/index....

      Anyhow, I'm not going to analyze it.

      Wikipedia talks about this type of progressive system: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    62. Re:Never let the truth by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      I don't think they would (they spend a lot of time making sure there is no bias on the wheels). Any bias seems to be in the croupier, not the wheel. I've run into croupiers that never seem to get runs, and others who worked almost like a clock (those are my favorites). I once spent two hours on the floor of the Mandalay Bay watching (and betting with) one particular croupier. It was 7 red then black (or vice versa) over and over and over. I was quite sad to see her shift end :) I've also seen streaks go on for 16 spins. Lucky for me I always seem to hit those when they peak. I watched a kid trying to do the same thing on one of those long streaks. He walked away quite sad, even more so when I walked up, dropped $50, and won on the next spin. So yea, there is a lot of luck involved (apparently I'm allowed to win small amounts of cash, just not the lottery)

      I did once build a model for this that allowed me to play with the streak and chase bet numbers and I found that at 7/3 the results (won cash minus lost cash) quickly went positive and stayed there. I ran these over several hundred thousand "spins" and it didn't waver. I also kept track of the numbers to make sure they were with in the expected probabilities.

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    63. Re:Never let the truth by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      No. If you have 100 possible occurrences of something with a 1% chance, you have (IIRC) about a 38% chance of it not happening, a 38% chance of it happening once, and about a 24% chance if it happening more than once. If it's a 2% chance, well, you can run the figures yourself, but the chance of getting at least one occurrence goes up to about 5/6. The results do, in the long run, depend on the likelihood.

      Is your lack of reading comprehension related to your IQ, or would that be more your lack of understanding of probability?

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    64. Re:Never let the truth by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      We talked about the question if a likelihood that a person has an IQ of 197 makes it possible to have such a person in 7billion inhabitants.
      You or your parent claimed: no, it is impossible as the likelihood is below 1:7billion.
      I said that is nonsense.
      As is your last post. If you want to throw around numbers you have to be more precise in 'what is happening when'.
      E.g. If you have 100 possible occurrences of something with a 1% chance, you have (IIRC) about a 38% chance of it not happening What the heck is that supposed to mean? Did you really intended to write that bullshit? Did you accidentally delete a sentence? Even if you did it is hard to get what that sentence might have told us.
      Is your lack of reading comprehension related to your IQ, or would that be more your lack of understanding of probability? Ah, if you can not argue about a topic, insert some insults for good measure?
      I guess it is your lack of skills in writing coherently?
      Perhaps you as well lack any clue about what IQ means, after we talked so much about it in this whole posting/article?
      My IQ strength is certainly not in the are yours is, otherwise we would understand each other besides the language barrier.

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    65. Re:Never let the truth by euroq · · Score: 1

      I remember taking a test as a VERY young child (one of my earliest memories). I was getting all of the questions right and was getting bored. As a person who loves exploring, I wanted to know what would happen if you got one wrong, so I purposely chose the wrong answer twice (choose which shape this shape can fit in - star, circle, square, or something like that). I thought it was really obvious the answer, and I chose wrong, and then was very disappointed to learn that when you get one wrong, she just says "no that's not the right answer, this is", and moves on. Turns out I "failed" the test so I didn't get in the advanced classes for kindergartners.

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    66. Re:Never let the truth by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      If somebody claimed it was impossible to have such a person, that person knows nothing of probability.

      To clarify, suppose you have fair percentile dice, roll them 100 times, and note down the 00s (or 100s, depending on how you read double zero) as you roll them. This looks sufficiently close to a Poisson distribution for me, and given a Poisson distribution with mean of one we get about 38% chance of no 00s, 38% chance of one 00, and the remaining chance of multiple 00s. I find this a useful thing to remember when estimating probabilities, since there's a lot of things that are well modeled as a Poisson distribution. (A Poisson distribution is a good model for lots of possibilities of something happening, when it's very unlikely for something to happen given said possibilities, and the possibilities being independent. You don't need to know how many possibilities, or the probabilities of individual events, just the mean. I'd expect the number of traffic accidents per day in the US to follow a Poisson distribution.)

      As far as the insult, I was merely attempting to be polite. Since you ended your post with an insult, I thought that was your preferred form of posting, and I was deferring to you. Since I was apparently wrong, I apologize.

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    67. Re:Never let the truth by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Perhaps I mixed you up with your parent, sorry for that.
      Now I get your experiment, nice explanation.

      The parent who upsetted me was basically unaware that the human genome can be combined/expressed in gazzillion different ways, and on this planet we have a subset of 7 billion of those nearly endless possibilities.

      Then he constructed a math example (which I did not follow, as it was not relevant) and simply concluded: if an event (gene combination) has a probability of 1 in 100 billion, but the plant only has 7 billion people, it is impossible that this event/gene combination can occur. Obviously it is a no brainer, that it indeed can occur.

      If I was unpolite, I apologize.

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  2. He's on TV & the Internet, of course he's real by Nyder · · Score: 2

    And he's not in jail, so sure, he's a genius. But are his exploits legendary? Well, much like fishing stories, I take hacking stories have more elaborations then truth.

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  3. He's a real genius. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He was the creator of the Irish virus.

    1. Re:He's a real genius. by preaction · · Score: 4, Funny

      Whiskey?

    2. Re:He's a real genius. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.symantec.com/security_response/writeup.jsp?docid=2000-121909-4145-99

    3. Re:He's a real genius. by CODiNE · · Score: 5, Funny

      A Real Genius uses a Space laser to pop the worlds largest popcorn container IN the home of his enemy.

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    4. Re:He's a real genius. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1 Funny given because Slashdot doesn't offer a "+1 Obscure 80's Geek Ref"

    5. Re:He's a real genius. by ogar572 · · Score: 1

      MOD UP!!!!

  4. s0 l33t! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hell someone should make a documentary about me! I used to empty chat rooms faster than the plague in 1996. I AM L33T DOCUMENT ME!! pffft. May as well pretend the movies Hackers was non fictional.

    1. Re:s0 l33t! by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Hey, if you were on the undernet back in '96 - I think I know who you are!

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  5. what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looks like CBS got hustled. Spend five minutes on these pages, even the updated one reeks of geocities and Cash4Gold.

    Prodigy? Fraudster with delusions of grandeur.

  6. Better question by penguinoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Who cares?

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    1. Re:Better question by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      I can only imagine he's trying to decide if this guy was overlooked for Mensa or something.

    2. Re:Better question by antdude · · Score: 1

      NBA CBS, Toyota, Bears, Obama, etc. care! [grin] ;)

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  7. This seems simple enough, why are you asking /.? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It start with the facts, and end with the facts. What are they?

    He claims to be a frequent speaker at IEEE events. Check that out; interview attendees about their impression of his talk(s). Start there and keep working through the claims, from easiest-to-verify through to the hardest-to-verify, stopping only when you're convinced.

    And if you somehow manage to verify every fact and are still in doubt, just don't do business with him.

  8. Never heard of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Who?

    1. Re:Never heard of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Scorpion. He was the lead singer of the Police.

    2. Re:Never heard of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      He was the bad guy in Farscape.

    3. Re:Never heard of him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      That guy from Mortal Kombat. He was pretty good at getting people over here.

  9. Who cares. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's kind of a douche.

    1. Re:Who cares. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Brogrammer's brogrammer?

  10. Hacking a system... by EzInKy · · Score: 1

    ...before you are ready signifies immaturity, not intelligence.

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    1. Re:Hacking a system... by PhilHibbs · · Score: 1

      Intelligent people can be immature. In fact, all intelligent people were immature at some stage.

    2. Re:Hacking a system... by EzInKy · · Score: 1

      Intelligent people realize they are immature, and strive to gain more experience and insight before they act.

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    3. Re:Hacking a system... by N1AK · · Score: 1

      Intelligent people realize they are immature, and strive to gain more experience and insight before they act.

      That isn't the definition of intelligence that other people use, nor is it what dictionaries would call it. Intelligence is generally accepted to be the ability to take in information and to apply that information; it is not the amount of knowledge you have already acquired or even inherently the rationality with which you choose to apply it or not.

      I was probably about as intelligent when I was 16 as I am now, perhaps more so, but I don't I was as wise or knowledgeable back then. Sometimes the best way to learn is to try and fail, rather than delay indefinitely as you over-theorise and either never act or act too late.

    4. Re:Hacking a system... by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Intelligence != Wisdom

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    5. Re:Hacking a system... by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Indeed. As to "hacking NASA at 13": It does not take a genius. It takes a not too dumb kind with enough persistence and no understanding of the risk he is taking. Now, writing your own exploit code in assembler at 13 would be something, but still not too impressive. I learned assembler at that age because basic was so damn slow.

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    6. Re:Hacking a system... by gweihir · · Score: 1

      That is wisdom. It is not connected to intelligence.

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    7. Re:Hacking a system... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me think about that, and get back to you.

  11. Everything on TV is fiction by Required+Snark · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Including the news.

    I used to say that all TV was fiction except the weather, but then I saw Fox lying about that too: severe winter weather does not contradict global warming/climate change.

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    1. Re:Everything on TV is fiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why were you watching Fox? You must have known that they would contradict your preconceptions.

    2. Re:Everything on TV is fiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      morbid curiosity

    3. Re:Everything on TV is fiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Including the news.

      I used to say that all TV was fiction except the weather, but then I saw Fox lying about that too: severe winter weather does not contradict global warming/climate change.

      first I was going to just reply "yawn" but, then I thought-
      Oh man you are so right!
      And funny!
      Funny things usually have an element of truth to them!
      You go man!

    4. Re:Everything on TV is fiction by operagost · · Score: 1

      Talking heads discussing the weather does not constitute a "weather report" any more than a talking head discussing politics constitutes "news".

      Of course, the irony is the fact that weather reports have uncertainty due to the element of randomness, so every weather report is not necessarily "fiction" but it's not "true" either.

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    5. Re:Everything on TV is fiction by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      Logic fail. If they were lying about the climate and weather is not climate, they were not necessarily lying about the weather.

      Unless they were saying that rain was falling up or that it was sunny when it was overcast, all you've done is demonstrated your irrational hatred to all.

    6. Re:Everything on TV is fiction by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      His preconception was that TV is all fiction except the weather report. How is Fox supposed to contradict that?

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  12. Grades vs IQ by uolamer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have have a 163 IQ. I was capable of making straight A's in high school, but was bored I just acted out and got in trouble. What they called Advanced classes was the top 25-30 students out of a class of 100 people (small school), which was a joke. I was the person who made an A on the test but didn't do a few daily grades here or there and things of that nature. In college I have a 4.0 but it was mind numbing to keep that grade. College for the most part was pure memorization and doing the daily work..

    The point of this is that grades do not reflect IQ.

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    1. Re:Grades vs IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's 95% of why my grades were B range also. Fuck it, I'm smarter than this shit and life is too short. Spoiler alert, we were right about that.

    2. Re:Grades vs IQ by kamapuaa · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you are so smart perhaps you can explain why 98% of the internet has an IQ in the 150-170 range.

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    3. Re:Grades vs IQ by The+Technomancer · · Score: 2

      I wish I'd done better in school. Not because I would have actually learned anything else, but reinforcing the habit of finishing work you don't like would have helped me earlier in my career. I love 90% of my job. If I don't do the 10% that sucks and I haven't automated away yet, I find that the company wants to "move in a different direction" and no longer needs my services. I do 100% of my job, and I get to hire people to do the 10% that sucks.

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    4. Re:Grades vs IQ by JWSmythe · · Score: 2

      Lots of brilliant people score horribly in school, usually due to boredom. I have a high IQ.

      I didn't have straight A's in school, because I was completely bored with it by 8th grade. I scored well on tests, but I gave up on doing homework. 7 classes, each assigning 1 hour of homework didn't make any sense.

      The only ones who excelled were the ones who teamed up to do homework together, and divided the workload. Sure, they each learned something, but they didn't learn everything they were suppose to. It was also reflected in their test scores.

      Unfortunately, at my schools, homework counted for a large percentage of the grade, and I didn't live near any of my classmates.

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    5. Re:Grades vs IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suspect selection bias may come into play to some degree. There are hundreds of millions of people with some degree of internet access so it's likely that there are quite a lot of people with access to the internet that have high IQ test scores.

      As for myself? I scored a "measly" 134 on a WAIS-IV test a couple of years ago. I have a decent career in tech but I'd rather spend my time at the gym or tending to my garden, and in school my grades were quite varied, I detested some subjects and it showed in my grades (and one year in high school I got shitty grades a couple of classes simply because my schedule was completely fucked, first a 08:00 class then nothing until after lunch, good luck getting a 16-year-old to show up for that morning class).

    6. Re:Grades vs IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Can't tell you that, mine's only 137.

    7. Re:Grades vs IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      simple, different standard: on the Internet, the average IQ is 160, not 100. It used to be 140 as per IETF RFC-8192, but this RFC was recently deprecated by RFC-8192-2014.

    8. Re:Grades vs IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That part about going in other direction is quite intriguing.

    9. Re:Grades vs IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have have a 163 IQ. I was capable of making straight A's in high school, but was bored I just acted out and got in trouble. What they called Advanced classes was the top 25-30 students out of a class of 100 people (small school), which was a joke. I was the person who made an A on the test but didn't do a few daily grades here or there and things of that nature. In college I have a 4.0 but it was mind numbing to keep that grade. College for the most part was pure memorization and doing the daily work..

      The point of this is that grades do not reflect IQ.

      Well, were clearly not smart enough to use your four years of college to find a more interesting field of study that requires more thinking and less rote, like physics, math, and philosophy. Apparently, intelligence is not reflected in IQ either.

      More seriously, I do not believe high IQ measures anything except proficiency in solving certain kinds of puzzles. My last IQ score was above 150 (I don't remember the exact score), yet I was so clearly less smart than my classmate who scored lower on the same test--he was a USA Math Olympiad team member that year--that the test has lost any relevance for me.

    10. Re:Grades vs IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I have have a 163 IQ. .... I have a 4.0" seems to go against your claim that ""grades do not reflect IQ."

      Maybe this Scorpion character has a high enough IQ to notice that.

    11. Re:Grades vs IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By the by, remembering a series of numbers and repeating it after an interval is... part of the IQ test. I bet you were tested right around age 12.

    12. Re:Grades vs IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Memory is a component of intelligence. I score well on IQ tests and get by just fine, but I would be deadly if I didn't have such a poor memory.

    13. Re:Grades vs IQ by fazig · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've always thought that it was the other way around. Yeah, I can smell the sarcasm in this.
      From my experience with internet forums, especially gaming forums, youtube commentaries, twitter and facebook, 98% of the observable internet IQs would barely scratch the three digit threshold. A lot of people appear to be well-read, yet basic logic seems to escape most of them. Non-sequitur, strawmen, false dilemma, practically the whole list of logical fallacies can be found there. Yet a lot of people are easily fooled and mistake a few fancy words for competence, which is probably why politicians get elected despite being dumber than a bag of rocks.
      I'd say, that most of the internet has about the same average IQ as the general population. Some of US may be a bit more tech savvy, but that's it.

    14. Re:Grades vs IQ by CraigCruden · · Score: 1

      I have to agree with that - higher than average intelligence in too slow of course = boredom.... which means lack of interest and you end up investing your time elsewhere. The most extreme example (although more reflective of memory than intelligence) was a grade 9 class (was more to do with geology - can't remember the name). I did not do any of the assignments which meant the highest mark I could get 60%..... when the final exam came around I had to get 96% to pass according to the teacher -- and again did not bother to study.... I ended up getting 97% on the exam which gave me a final 50 or 51% overall. That mark was not reflective of knowledge, it was reflective of poor discipline when being bored.

    15. Re:Grades vs IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they lie.

      yeah... lying on the internet. hard to believe.

    16. Re:Grades vs IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those of us who are really smart recognize that IQ is just an ego-stroking device devised to get you to pay your MENSA fees.

      Have you ever heard of anyone getting kicked out of MENSA because they have dropped out of the top two percent?

    17. Re:Grades vs IQ by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1, Interesting

      It has been that way ever since Eternal September. The internet lets everyone speak - but people in general are terrible at recognising the limitations of their knowledge. They aren't stupid, exactly - they are usually entirely competent in their specialised field. But they don't see how inept they are at everything else. They've read a few opinion columns on economics, so they consider themselves fit to weigh in upon tax policy. They took high-school science, so they act as if they can judge the entire field of climatology - and a lot of the time, everything else in science too.

    18. Re:Grades vs IQ by kamapuaa · · Score: 1

      I suppose I meant "self-reported IQ." I was making fun of how common it is for people on the internet to claim to have an extraordinarily high IQ, when an IQ of 163 would put you in the top .0013%.

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    19. Re:Grades vs IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have a 163 IQ, you work tech support and you're a fan of the ridiculous Turner Diaries.

      Something tells me there's a bit of self-delusion going on.

    20. Re:Grades vs IQ by SuricouRaven · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The curse of the academically capable: I breezed through school getting very good grades with no effort at all. Never revised - I was just good at the code subjects (Except English Lit). Then went to university and had a breakdown, because it was the first time I'd been seriously challenged.

    21. Re:Grades vs IQ by Your.Master · · Score: 2

      There's selection bias in a couple ways...

      I think you're talking about people who self-report IQs being the ones with high IQs, and having large absolute numbers.

      There's another selection bias to compound there, where they take the IQ test that gave them the best score. These IQ tests, of course, tend to be free Internet tests of dubious provenance.

      Then there's exaggerations, and then people who confuse a non-IQ test with an IQ test, and then outright fabrications.

      It's basically impossible to evaluate the proportion of each. Note that self-reported penis length and total height (in males) is also significantly higher than actual averages, even if you start with a random sampling, and even if you tell men it's anonymous. There are also big psychological jump at 6' tall. Wouldn't be surprised if penis length had something similar around 6".

      By the way, I have an IQ of like a billion or something, and did very well academically because apparently my sheer hypergenius wrapped around again to getting good marks.

    22. Re:Grades vs IQ by PhilHibbs · · Score: 1

      According to The Onion, 80% of our nation's grandchildren are above average.

    23. Re:Grades vs IQ by MrHanky · · Score: 1

      Lots of people with high IQ are far from brilliant. It's only a test result, it doesn't tap into your brain. The supposed verification of an IQ test is actual academic achievement; when high IQ people have low academic achievement, it might just as well mean the test is flawed.

    24. Re:Grades vs IQ by fazig · · Score: 1

      It may be trolls, people being "attention whores" or simply people trying to pull rank. They try to create a false authority while the argumentum ab auctoritate itself is often a fallacy, since a high IQ is not a validation for an argument. It's really hard to tell without strong indicators of their intention.

    25. Re:Grades vs IQ by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      What is worse is when you get a teacher that makes you down for not doing it their convoluted and retarded way. Sorry teacher but I can do all that in my head, and you are marking me down because I am not slowing down and driving myself insane with the archaic and backwards way of finding the answer.

      Luckily I had parents that would scream at the teachers and principal. we finally went over the their heads to the superintendent where he read off questions, and I typically had the answer before he finished reading did they realize that teaching at pot head speeds did not work for me.

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    26. Re:Grades vs IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > What is worse is when you get a teacher that makes you down for not doing it their convoluted and retarded way.

      It's not usually the teacher. It's the TA. I studed Scheme from Sussman at MIT (Jerry Sussman helped write the language and the textbook we used.) When I took the change counting problem, and profoundly improved performance by doing the largest coins first, *and did a second version of the homework with smallest coins first*, the TA tried to mark me off, because the *TA* was a barely English speaking twit with no insight into the work who thought I "hadn't done it right". The TA could memorize procedures and repeat them, but had never learned insight, just strove to get a grade and had been hired on that basis.

      I took it to Sussman, who fixed the grade, but I had to get through his very busy office hours to do it. We chatted, for only moments, about why people were cheating on the homework. (Too much recursion, too many people doing the work on very limited timeshare hardware, no checkpoints to stop if it went into a loop, so homework couldn't be finished in time. And it was a required freshman course, so they learned to cheat instead of learning to program. This was 6.001 about 30 years ago, look it up in the MIT syllabus.) I came to the firm conclusion that Sussman was brilliant, *Scheme* and its focus on recursion and abstraction encouraged *horrible* programming habits.

      Scheme died out, and Java proved me right in the long run when it inherited a lot of ideas from Scheme. Based on a lot of the same sweeping, grandious concepts, people can do brilliant things with it, but they inevitably *break* because of unnecessary recursion and layers of abstraction encouraging pointless confusion, fragility, and redundancy for the smallest tasks.

    27. Re:Grades vs IQ by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      I was going to be really rich, but then I decided not to.

    28. Re:Grades vs IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      The idea of showing your workings is so you can demonstrate that you understand what you are doing and didn't just Google the question or copy the answer from someone else, etc.

      Plus - God forbid - when you actually make a mistake every once in a while, it allows your teacher to identify where you made your mistake and help you.

      You arrogant fuck.

    29. Re:Grades vs IQ by N1AK · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What I find particularily amusing about people claiming falsely inflated IQ's is that it shouldn't rationally be anything in itself to brag about. Due to behavioural issues when I was in primary school my IQ was tested, I can't remember the score but it was decent and I was fortunate enough to get accepted into a school for children with behavioural issues which selected for potential. That meant I got a reasonable education, when most kids who had behaved like me would be lucky if the schools they got sent to didn't lead to crime and drugs. Mathematics was always my strongest area. I completed my GCSE 4 years early and did a couple of advanced courses. I remember the odd conversation with staff about how I could go on to study maths at Oxbridge and go into mathematics research etc.

      Sounds like a bragging story right? Well it isn't. What I've told you is that I had a comparative advantage as a child, no different to being given say a million pounds at birth. It tells you that it should have been easier for me to succeed than for others. However, I'm not a world renowned mathematician or running my own company. So far in my life my achievements are pretty mundane, even though I was handed a headstart. Claiming to have a high IQ and not having achieved more than average is saying you had a headstart on everyone else and you wasted it.

    30. Re:Grades vs IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are so smart perhaps you can explain why 98% of the internet has an IQ in the 150-170 range.

      Only smart people know to use Windows 8, duuu~uhh

    31. Re:Grades vs IQ by BitZtream · · Score: 1, Insightful

      What is worse is when you get a teacher that makes you down for not doing it their convoluted and retarded way. Sorry teacher but I can do all that in my head, and you are marking me down because I am not slowing down and driving myself insane with the archaic and backwards way of finding the answer.

      Its not all about you or what you think is right, and you don't actually know everything regardless of what you think. Doing it in your head is fine when the teacher isn't trying to understand what you're doing, but when it comes to understanding what you're thinking process is, not showing your work makes it fairly hard.

      Luckily I had parents that would scream at the teachers and principal. we finally went over the their heads to the superintendent where he read off questions, and I typically had the answer before he finished reading did they realize that teaching at pot head speeds did not work for me.

      So you're an arrogant prick and your parents spoiled you and let you have your way. And better still, you think its your privilege to do whatever you think is the right way and ignore people with years of experience doing something.

      Everything you've said just screams 'asshole'. Its one thing for a teenager to think the way you think, but you're old enough at this point that you should know better than to say the things you're saying.

      Fitting into the real world is just as much a sign of intelligence as your ability to do mental arithmetic, so climb the fuck off your high horse and get some social skills you arrogant prick. You aren't special, guys like you are a dime a dozen.

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    32. Re:Grades vs IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which just shows that IQ itself is meaningless. having a high IQ but no discipline will make you stuck down here with the rest of us trying to impress us with your high IQ...

    33. Re:Grades vs IQ by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      They take Internet IQ tests scoring everyone rather high. They don't use a Culture Fair test, either.

    34. Re:Grades vs IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, just smarter than you with parents that cared more than yours did.

    35. Re:Grades vs IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another one of the sub 100IQ crowd that is bitchy....
      Wahh dumb monkey.... Wahh...

      Bet you $10,000 that google did not exist back when lumpy went to school.

    36. Re:Grades vs IQ by anyaristow · · Score: 1

      If you are so smart perhaps you can explain why 98% of the internet has an IQ in the 150-170 range.

      Because they take viral IQ quizzes meant to flatter, so you'll share them.

    37. Re:Grades vs IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, globally that means there's about 9 million people with that IQ. Even in the US there would be about 400,000. Sure, it's a small percentage, but there's a lot of people on this planet. I suppose /. suffers from selection bias as well. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the median IQ of visitors on this site is significantly higher than 100.

      So there's probably a mix of people who legitimately have those high IQs, but also people who are blowing smoke out their ass.

    38. Re:Grades vs IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other words, you are a "poesur".

    39. Re:Grades vs IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ..and look where it got you, you still believe we'll colonize the Galaxy. So much for your "high (square root of -1) IQ".

    40. Re:Grades vs IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >So far in my life my achievements are pretty mundane

      That's a relative term. If your only gauge is money, then you are shorting your accomplishments. There are many, many brilliant people who didn't obsess over money to the extent that being overly successful (wealthy) requires today.

      Also, earning gobs of money takes a lot of sacrifice. It requires foregoing usually more fulfilling things like love, happiness, life experience, family, etc.

      My advice was always to earn enough to live comfortably, don't allow material things to drive you, and enjoy what life has to offer.

    41. Re:Grades vs IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet you $10,000 that Google will be long gone by the time you graduate, retard!

    42. Re:Grades vs IQ by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      Claiming to have a high IQ and not having achieved more than average is saying you had a headstart on everyone else and you wasted it.

      I don't know -- I think you have a point that no one should go around bragging about a high IQ. But I don't agree with the rest.

      After all, studies of people with high IQs have always shown weird results -- from the very first study groups in the early 20th century where they tracked a bunch of kids with high IQs, you find a huge number of them end up being mail carriers and accountants and such. They're more prone to mental illness, particularly depression. And salary studies usually show that the highest average salary occurs for people somewhere in the 125-130 range (if I remember correctly). Having an IQ over 130 or so usually demonstrates that you're actually less likely to "succeed" than those who are merely a little above average, if you consider "success" in terms of maximum monetary gain. It's true that Nobel Prize winners and such often tend to have higher IQs, but except for these few intellectual achievements (which often also involve high creativity, something poorly measured by IQ tests), high IQ people simply don't tend to end up with "high achievement" according to most social standards.

      I don't know what exactly it is that IQ is supposed to measure, but propensity for success and high achievement isn't really one of them once you get into the supposed "genius" range.

      This was actually something I myself had to discover too. I scored rather high on an IQ test when I was in primary school too, and I was selected out for special classes and such. For years, I struggled with this idea that I was supposed to "save the world" or something -- my high school teachers told me they thought I was supposed to go on to "cure cancer" or something.

      And so until I got to graduate school, I was basically following other people's ideas about how I should live a "successful" life... and it just made me depressed and unhappy. Then, at some point I started actually reading studies about what high IQ really means, and I discovered that I was not alone at all -- many if not most people with high scores end up finding satisfaction in their lives doing things society doesn't consider the highest "success."

      And that was an incredible revelation for me -- I then felt free to go do something I actually thought I might enjoy more, rather than worrying about proving how my IQ made me "successful." Sure, I have degrees from top universities, but I ended up in a field that is NOT know for making the "big bucks." On the other hand, I have a lot of time to pursue my random interests, and I'm much happier (and feel more "stable" in my life).

      In sum: (1) no one should go around bragging about IQ, because it doesn't often correlate with what people think it does, and (2) living your life in a way that makes you happy is not "wasting it," no matter what your intelligence level. Just because you have some sort of greater abstract reasoning skills or whatever than the general population doesn't mean that you have to cure cancer or found a billion-dollar company or something to think your life is a "success." (Frankly, I also know of a number of very smart people who developed serious mental illness or committed suicide too, and I'd say it's probably better to do something that makes you happy and alive, rather than chasing somebody else's version of "success.")

      Sure, achieving greatness is wonderful. But there are many forms of greatness. I can bake a pretty good croissant, for example, which requires a lot of time and effort, and that frankly makes me feel more satisfied than a lot of other "greater achievements" (by society's standards) that I've made in my life. But hey -- you should do what you want to, and if aspiring to greater things helps you, by all means, I wish you success in whatever form you think is best.

    43. Re:Grades vs IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From your math, you're probably not one of them! Your calculations are off by two orders of magnitude.

    44. Re:Grades vs IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah yes... I forgot there was no possible way to cheat before Google existed.

      sigh

    45. Re:Grades vs IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow lumpy, *this* is what you do with your incredible IQ? Not curing cancer, solving world problems, no, this?

    46. Re:Grades vs IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a compounding set of issues, too -- you get into a good university and then choose more challenging classes because they sound interesting. Ugh, it's terrible, and you have no way of realizing your mistake until it's too late and you're on your way to failing out entirely. That's the one piece of advice I wish someone would have given me, so I make sure to share it with anyone I know heading to college that might be in the same boat.

    47. Re:Grades vs IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll have you know, referring to one's self in the third person is the height of intellectual prowess... Pity you're not smart enough to understand ;)

    48. Re:Grades vs IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And they're all above average in Lake Wobegon!

    49. Re:Grades vs IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If there are so many guys like him, maybe the teachers should be doing things his way instead, and you should stop yelling at him.

    50. Re:Grades vs IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "A lot of people appear to be well-read, yet basic logic seems to escape most of them." most IQ test I know of only check if you can recognize a serie of number of figure or words which correspond to a "progression". They do not test logic per see. You could have a tested 165 IQ and be a complete moron using lot of non sequitur. You are jsut very good at seeing a progressive serie.

    51. Re:Grades vs IQ by s.petry · · Score: 1

      I have to second what the AC said. Measuring success is not about how much money you have.

      I was not given anything special in school, I was always an A student when I tried and B/C when I didn't give a shit. I came from poverty, went into the Army so I could afford to go to College. I swore I'd never be like my deadbeat father, who passed away when I was a young teenager.

      Maybe not being my father is an odd goal for some. To me, it's a whole lot. My son has not grown up in poverty, and while we have never been rich we have also never been poor. I just paid cash for his first full semester at college, I'm financially secure, I have a great employer (and I have the power to pick and choose who I work for today). In nearly working 30 years in IT I have experienced a whopping 2 weeks of unexpected unemployment. One day I do want get my PHD, but as a single parent I take a back seat to getting my son on a better track than I had.

      That's not to claim I don't make mistakes, my life is full of them. I try to learn from mistakes, so have many more success stories than failures.

      Biggest of all, I have never sacrificed my morality and/or ethics for anything or anyone. I have been able to show my kid that success does not require hand outs, silver spoons, or questionable ethics.

      Life is not about the money, it's about the legacy you are leaving behind.

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    52. Re:Grades vs IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've always thought that it was the other way around. Yeah, I can smell the sarcasm in this.

      From my experience with internet forums, especially gaming forums, youtube commentaries, twitter and facebook, 98% of the observable internet IQs would barely scratch the three digit threshold. A lot of people appear to be well-read, yet basic logic seems to escape most of them. Non-sequitur, strawmen, false dilemma, practically the whole list of logical fallacies can be found there. Yet a lot of people are easily fooled and mistake a few fancy words for competence, which is probably why politicians get elected despite being dumber than a bag of rocks.

      I'd say, that most of the internet has about the same average IQ as the general population. Some of US may be a bit more tech savvy, but that's it.

      With any mob mentality (and that's exactly what internet forums/gaming forums/youtube comments, twitter and facebook are fundamentally) group intelligence plummets For every small, weak, intelligent person there is there are, sometimes literally, 100's of bigger, stronger people who wouldn't qualify to instruct PE classes in a 5th grade gym that will, despite being completely wrong, take charge undisputedly or open their mouths without the humility (read as loud as they possibly can) that comes with wisdom.

    53. Re:Grades vs IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. I didn't unlearn being lazy until I was a good bit into my Master's degree.

    54. Re:Grades vs IQ by internerdj · · Score: 1

      There is a good chance the test is flawed, but IQ is not the only indicator of high intelligence that points to a subset of people as intelligent but who don't perform well in school. It is pretty terrible when intelligent people can't do well in intelligence training.

    55. Re:Grades vs IQ by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Yeah and looking at the quality of posts it makes one wonder what 150-170 actually means :D
      Must be that new thing about EQ and communication skills ...

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    56. Re:Grades vs IQ by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Well, that reminds me about a story of a friend of mine. When he was young, easily 50 years ago, perhaps more, he came to a talk.

      The talker started with chalk on a board marking a "cloud" and writing into it 'this is what I know'.

      After looking a bit to the audience and seeing the reaction he made a slightly bigger cloud around the first one, asymmetric drifting into another corner of the board and he wrote into it: 'this, is what I know, that I don't know (about) ... e.g I know I don't know much about the olympic results in spear throwing in the last 100 years'.

      So he continued ... an even bigger cloud with the words in it: "This is what I don't know" ... indicating this is the knowledge of mankind.

      Finally he made another huge circle around it and said: lets talk abut the rest ...

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    57. Re:Grades vs IQ by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      No, he is neither an arrogant prick nor did his parents spoil him.

      You are spoiled in believing, just because you have to go 'the hard way' everyone else has to go it, too.

      Obviously reading this thread from top to bottom shows: it does not work that way.

      Fitting into the real world is just as much a sign of intelligence as your ability to do mental arithmetic, so climb the fuck off your high horse and get some social skills you arrogant prick. You aren't special, guys like you are a dime a dozen.

      Wow, you moron. Care to give a class of "how to acquire social skills"? I'm the first one signing up.

      "get some social skills", yepp last time I checked, they where sold at wall mart for 99cents per EQ point. How retarded can one be to really write such a nonsense sentence when the parent already has opened himself up to ridicules and admitted he is bad at such?

      What for fuck sake would be your suggestion if a Nerd who is 55, unmarried, no GF since 15 years, comes into the forum and simply likes to say: "My IQ is 175, I'M a Nerd, I'm good at physics and computers, otherwise my life sucks". What exactly would your wording be so it is "not arrogant from a high horse?", "how would you teach him social skills!"?

      Oh ... you can't tell the first one, and you can't the last one ... the arrogant prick is you! Unfortunately your IQ is so below my level I don't really car to talk to you. Get a life, idiot.

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    58. Re:Grades vs IQ by Surak_Prime · · Score: 1

      You're half right. The other half being to prove you have the self-discipline to do WORK even when it isn't enjoyable. My experience with school was similar to Lumpy's, except that teachers let me float because they knew I knew the material even if I wasn't doing the work. (Mainly from the fact that I was tutoring the other students.) Looking back, the teacher I have the most respect for is the one who tried to teach me the lesson I needed most - by refusing to play along and failing my sorry ass. Work matters at least as much as your knowledge.

      The scariest part of this to me is that Lumpy has a lower UID than my 39 year old self, which probably means he is older - and still hasn't learned that lesson, however smart he is.

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    59. Re:Grades vs IQ by dcw3 · · Score: 2

      I don't think the Onion originated that. Though they may have co opted and slightly modified this from back in the mid 80s. But then, there may be predecessors to that as well.

      "Welcome to Lake Wobegon, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children are above average." - Garrison Keillor

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    60. Re:Grades vs IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because people only share/link to IQ test results that are high.

      And the data-mining bunch are more likely to produce "tests" that make people look good - just so that they can get data for more people.

      Doesn't take a genius to figure this out ;).

    61. Re:Grades vs IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and that means the other half are in the 30-50 range! That's even worser.

    62. Re:Grades vs IQ by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Of all the ways my son's K-12 education was better than mine, I think the most important is that he wound up with challenging classes in the field he was best at. The ability to coast through high school fosters the habit of coasting, and it's good to be reminded that there are difficult topics out there.

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    63. Re:Grades vs IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was tested enough as a child to know what percentile, or anyway decile I was in, for testable smarts; and my parents are smart and kind. I figure that was my *zero*; if I haven't moved up the `rankings' of society from that percentile, I didn't add anything to what I was given.

      I might say that keeps me humble, except it's meeting people who did climb the ranks that keeps me humble.

    64. Re:Grades vs IQ by N1AK · · Score: 1

      Life is not about the money, it's about the legacy you are leaving behind.

      Ultimately it is up to each of us to decide what we think is is about; although I personally feel similarly to you. My point was more to highlight the absurdity about IQ being treated as a something to be proud of. People lie about IQ just like they lie about height and penis length; yet they have no control over their things. I don't think it's anything to be ashamed of if you have a crazy high IQ and don't become a nobel prize winner; however talking about having a high IQ as though it looks good when you haven't achieved anything with it seems to be a strange social compulsion.

    65. Re:Grades vs IQ by N1AK · · Score: 1

      All fair points, although I think you are taking my use of the word 'mundane' to mean poor, when I merely mean unremarkable. The vast majority of people live unremarkable lives by definition. There isn't a right answer to the question of what to live your life for. I don't see "live to be happy" as a better mantra than "live to help others" for example, it's an extremely personal issue. In general I think people focus to much on acquiring things, including wealth, but I'm hesistant to go further than that.

      There's a pretty strong body of evidence that says irrationality can help with happiness, and that actively avoiding news/politics can make people happier. Personally I'd rather be a little bit less happy, but be informed and try and make decisions to help others.

    66. Re:Grades vs IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if the the test is flawed, the education system is really flawed. Most is due that not all person learn in the same manner, there are people that is good at memorizing/learning and people that is bad, there are people with short term learning/memorization and others that are at long term...

      how do you compare someone that memorizes/learn all that he studies but only retains 40% after a year and someone that memorizes/learn only 70% but retains 90% of it after ten tears?

    67. Re:Grades vs IQ by Kabukiwookie · · Score: 1

      Yes. Same here. Never did any work in primary and secondary and still had good grades. In primary school I was offered to have me skip a grade, but my parents were too afraid that I wouldn't be able to cope with older classmates (just one year difference is a fairly big deal when in primary).

      This resulted in being bored at school and generally becoming lazy, because I was not being challenged. Then in tertiary, all of a sudden there were some topics that did actually needed some work to pass and I failed miserably.

      In hindsight, skipping a grade early on would probably have given me a proper challenge. On the other hand, being lazy and fairly smart is the perfect combination for a good systems admin.

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      The mountains of madness have many little plateaus of sanity - Terry Pratchett.
  13. He claims this himself by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    http://www.scorpioncomputerservices.com/the_founder.html

    He probably is a smart guy, but these claims here would make me not want to hire him. He's so obviously full of himself that he'd probably never admit he might be wrong about something and that is just plain dangerous. So it's not just the hollywood drama, it's based on his on ludicrous claims.

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    I was promised a flying car. Where is my flying car?
    1. Re:He claims this himself by darkain · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I can't even begin to count the number of things wrong with their web site which already makes me not trust them...

      * Using Flash just to have a "fancy" text label on the home page
      * More JavaScript than I can possibly imagine for a STATIC web page
      * Video where the lighting exposure is off and the audio quality is questionable
      * Speech during the video where the guy stumbles on his own words a couple of times

      Really, for a company that supposedly "mitigated risk for 7 years on $1.9 trillion of investments" and ran by a supposed tech superstar genius, you'd think they'd at least get the basics of technology and media correct on their own e-penis self-promotion presentation...

    2. Re:He claims this himself by msmonroe · · Score: 1



      This looks like it's some sort of a scam. I think it's gonna end up on that show American Greed.

    3. Re:He claims this himself by AronHardy-Bardsley · · Score: 1

      Here is his linked in profile. Looks somewhat legit, but still looks like he over represents himself on his website. http://www.linkedin.com/in/wal...

    4. Re:He claims this himself by Azaril · · Score: 1

      His 2:1 is also not from Sussex University as he claimed (which is a reasonably reputable establishment) but from the University of brighton according to his own [a href=http://www.scorpioncomputerservices.com/Press%20Coverage/media3.gif]source[/a]. This is an ex-polytechnic - the equivalent of a community college in the US.

    5. Re:He claims this himself by gl4ss · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      that's just because you're stupid.

      that's what his clients want to see so that's what's on the site ;)).

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    6. Re:He claims this himself by Alioth · · Score: 1

      The ex-polytechnic degrees are just as reputable as "red brick" university ones. Most polytechnics aren't like US community colleges, but more like the minor US universities.

    7. Re:He claims this himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've got bad news for you, bro - as far as undergraduate degrees in this post-Blairite world (though it was Thatcher's incursion of capital into higher education that set in the rot), if it's not Oxbridge, they're all equally worthless.

    8. Re:He claims this himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, I would trust someone that went to a minor US college more than a UofM or Yale graduate.

    9. Re:He claims this himself by psmears · · Score: 1

      His 2:1 is also not from Sussex University as he claimed (which is a reasonably reputable establishment) but from the University of brighton according to his own source.

      You're right, the article does say that, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was the (non-UK) newspaper that mixed up"University of Sussex at Brighton" and "University of Brighton"...

    10. Re:He claims this himself by flyneye · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're right, he's probably nearly as smart as myself. It's a television show, what he doesn't come up with, the writers will. Have you, somewhere on this planet, come across a reality show that had unadulterated reality in it?
      Let's examine the claims of this article; He claimed 6th fastest programmer, author claimed his team came in 90th. Still not exclusive of each other.I.Q. of 197, I merely want to know which test or groups of tests and who did the testing. Hacking NASA; which computer? What did he do, find a flimsy password for ftp? Computer philanthropy, let's see some numbers to compare to Gateway/Dell.
      It really sounds more like Unknown Lamer just wanted to stir some drama to get his blog posted as a story on the main page as much as it sounds like bullshit on "scorpions" part.

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    11. Re:He claims this himself by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      He probably is a smart guy, but these claims here would make me not want to hire him.

      They me want to give him a wedgie.

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    12. Re:He claims this himself by BetterThanCaesar · · Score: 4, Interesting

      How about this then? From http://www.scorpioncomputerservices.com/whoweare.html:

      <body onload="MM_preloadImages('file:///Macintosh HD/Users/brandonlavere/Desktop/PROJECTS/Paradise Film &amp; Video/Test Site/images/nav_but1_over.jpg','file:///Macintosh HD/Users/brandonlavere/Desktop/PROJECTS/Paradise Film &amp; Video/Test Site/images/nav_but2_over.jpg','file:///Macintosh HD/Users/brandonlavere/Desktop/PROJECTS/Paradise Film &amp; Video/Test Site/images/nav_but3_over.jpg','file:///Macintosh HD/Users/brandonlavere/Desktop/PROJECTS/Paradise Film &amp; Video/Test Site/images/nav_but4_over.jpg','images/nav_but5_over.jpg','file:///Macintosh HD/Users/brandonlavere/Desktop/PROJECTS/Paradise Film &amp; Video/Test Site/images/nav_but5_over.jpg','file:///Macintosh HD/Users/brandonlavere/Desktop/PROJECTS/Paradise Film &amp; Video/Test Site/images/nav_but6_over.jpg','images/0_company_over.png','images/0_difference_over.png','images/0_founder_over.png','images/0_team_over.png')">

      That's production quality.

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    13. Re:He claims this himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      he's probably nearly as smart as myself.

      So, nothing to see there then.

    14. Re:He claims this himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ex-polytechnic as not as bad as you make them out to be. I went to an ex-polytechnic for my undergrad (got a 1st) and later on went to both Oxford and Cambridge for my masters...

    15. Re:He claims this himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless Scorpius wrote the webpage himself (and is known as Brandon Lavere on the weekends) I'm not sure what this shows? That he delegates tasks to other people? That he does not have time to manage every project?

    16. Re:He claims this himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah thats what the polytechnics in finland want to tell to aspiring students too!

      doesn't really change the fact that getting in to one was as simple as walking in with a shitty high school degree while the real technical universities had* real requirements to even get in!

      *not anymore since the stupid government made the admission easier since duh, that's how you get good coders! or 9000 people for MS to fire for good reason.

    17. Re:He claims this himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not over-representing, lying. He represented himself as a hired consultant for a diverse number of companies, while he was hired as an employee and even educated by some of the companies.

    18. Re:He claims this himself by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      I love how he goes by his hacker name "The Scorpion". I'm surprised he didn't call it a handle. Or call him self "The Plague".

      Anyway, I expect him to be be busted by Zero Cool and Acid Burn any day now.

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    19. Re:He claims this himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You got trolled.

      Deal with it.

    20. Re:He claims this himself by ogar572 · · Score: 1

      I bet he hacked a Gibson too. "Mess with the best, die like the rest"

    21. Re:He claims this himself by NotDrWho · · Score: 2

      I remember in the late 70's, when truck drivers were actually fighting over the CB handle "The Bandit," completely oblivious to the fact that having that handle didn't make them look cool, it made them look absolutely pathetic.

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    22. Re:He claims this himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.scorpioncomputerservices.com/the_founder.html

      If only I could create a webpage and say I'm a child genius too ! ... Maybe a sarcastic genius.... and also a video-gaming boy, seemingly doomed to stay at his trailer park home all his life, and finds himself recruited as a gunner for an alien defense force.

    23. Re:He claims this himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about this then? From http://www.scorpioncomputerservices.com/whoweare.html:

      <body onload="MM_preloadImages('file:///Macintosh HD/Users/brandonlavere/Desktop/PROJECTS/Paradise Film &amp; Video/Test Site/images/nav_but1_over.jpg','file:///Macintosh HD/Users/brandonlavere/Desktop/PROJECTS/Paradise Film &amp; Video/Test Site/images/nav_but2_over.jpg','file:///Macintosh HD/Users/brandonlavere/Desktop/PROJECTS/Paradise Film &amp; Video/Test Site/images/nav_but3_over.jpg','file:///Macintosh HD/Users/brandonlavere/Desktop/PROJECTS/Paradise Film &amp; Video/Test Site/images/nav_but4_over.jpg','images/nav_but5_over.jpg','file:///Macintosh HD/Users/brandonlavere/Desktop/PROJECTS/Paradise Film &amp; Video/Test Site/images/nav_but5_over.jpg','file:///Macintosh HD/Users/brandonlavere/Desktop/PROJECTS/Paradise Film &amp; Video/Test Site/images/nav_but6_over.jpg','images/0_company_over.png','images/0_difference_over.png','images/0_founder_over.png','images/0_team_over.png')">

      That's production quality.

      That looks like it was generated by DreamWeaver (how many people code HTML from scratch anymore?), but they forgot to indicate the DOCUMENT_ROOT. Don't think I'd hire Brandon Lavere because of this rookie mistake.

    24. Re:He claims this himself by s.petry · · Score: 1

      In fairness, their site is only linking to Google and there is only 800 lines of JavaScript including comments and blank lines. Do you realize how rare it is for a company web site not to link to Twitter, Facebook, and at least half a dozen click advertisers?

      I am not saying you are wrong about the ego portions (I only read a fraction), but the tech part is not that bad.

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    25. Re:He claims this himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or call him self "The Plague"

      Wouldn't "The Blight", be more appropriate in his case...

    26. Re:He claims this himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've seen stuff like that on the Sun Life customer portal's login page, all with broken HTTPS connections for the login, because of a typo in the protocol part.

      You were saying again?

    27. Re:He claims this himself by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      Still not exclusive of each other.I.Q. of 197, I merely want to know which test or groups of tests and who did the testing.

      Since this was supposedly at some young age: For children, the IQ is calculated as (mental age) / (real age) * 100. A three year old with the mental capacity of a six year old would have an IQ of 200, which is extraordinary, but still not very clever, since it's the same absolute intelligence as a 12 year old with an IQ of 50.

    28. Re:He claims this himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I hope having a Trans Am was the trump card. And when both had a TA... compare mustaches.

    29. Re:He claims this himself by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      and ran by a supposed tech superstar genius, you'd think they'd at least get the basics of technology and media correct on their own e-penis self-promotion presentation...

      None of those follow.

      First, tech superstart geniuses probably have a minion doing their website because HTML and the like are beneath them. I mean, how many of you guys considered HTML a "programming language" or snickered when a resume came across with that listed as a skill?

      Second, tech superstars really generate awful websites. it's why you don't let programmers do UIs because they don't understand or relate to people. HCI is a complex field. Superstars know everything they code is perfect and usable. (NOT - ed).

      Third, have you met programming prima donnas? To say lack of social skills is just a starting flaw. Put them on camera and they will act like they know their crap, but in reality stumble, mumble and use lots of "ums" and "ahs" and other things. Again, learning how to enunciate, practice, and present is a skill only proles need to learn - superstars already can do it perfectly.

      Really, it's just like a bunch of say, elite Linux coders who think everyone is blessed they decided to embrace F/OSS.

    30. Re:He claims this himself by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Well,
      never heard about that mental versus real age definition. The IQ tests I did as a child where ordinary IQ tests like everyone (who once did one) knows them and I usually beat the testers.
      The last prodigy I heard about is a now likely 6 year old girl wich speaks 6 or 7 languages and is studying Math and Physics. If I'm not mistaken she lives in UK and is estimated around IQ 200. She is not going to an ordinary school as she started studying at a real university when she was short of becoming 4.
      I really doubt that anyone mixed up a real IQ test with a (mental age) / (real age) formula (which is only useful if you consider to let a child skip a class in school, otherwise it is meaning less).

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    31. Re:He claims this himself by neorush · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah, the MacroMedia preloader (MM_)....haven't seen that since 2001....and they are seriously using tables for layout...

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    32. Re:He claims this himself by damien_kane · · Score: 1

      I hope having a Trans Am was the trump card. And when both had a TA... compare mustaches.

      When all else fails, check ID; "The Burt" is the only "Bandit"

    33. Re:He claims this himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the talent... it just flocks to it :)

    34. Re: He claims this himself by The+WTF+Department · · Score: 0

      The intelligence quotient is a long outdated methodology for intelligence testing. I can guarantee he would not achieve that kind of score, before or after, standardization on the WAIS or SB. The problem with IQ tests is that only a few are actually meaningful, and only in limited contexts.

    35. Re: He claims this himself by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hey, you don't need to be a genius to know that the best way to judge a barber is to check out his sons hair!

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    36. Re:He claims this himself by flyneye · · Score: 1

      Like having Beavis, just out of diapers. LOL

                I never bothered much to find out about that, I "just" crapped out of MENSA back in my 20s. Although to my credit, I was married w/children.
      Which I also blame for my becoming an evil mastermind capable of taking down Superman.

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    37. Re:He claims this himself by stevestevegoodwin.ne · · Score: 1

      And don't forget this page is based on html tables. One for header, one for menu, one for page content. This approach was discredited about 10 years ago. And 200+ Javascript LOC just to harvest form data? This guy is not a genius

    38. Re:He claims this himself by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      and they are seriously using tables for layout

      Other than the fact that you heard someone say 'use CSS' you have no actual reason to knock tables so just shut up.

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    39. Re:He claims this himself by iamhassi · · Score: 1

      He's 39 and no one has ever heard of him. That alone is enough to mean he did not live up to his full potential if he really has a 197 IQ. IQ only means potential is there, IQ does not guarantee greatness.

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  14. Its nonsense by LordLimecat · · Score: 5, Interesting

    His website proves itself false. He claims it was founded in 1988; however Whois records for the domain only go back to 2000, and the web address doesnt appear in the Wayback Machine until 2003.

    Looks like the guy has tried to mix his own marketing material into google results, but you can see where his highly touted ScenGen actually comes from here:
    http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/wi...

    This version of MAGICC/SCENGEN was developed primarily with funding from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, but it rests on developments carried out over the past 20 years that were funded by a number of organizations.

    So the "ScenGen" you keep seeing in all the results is not the same as the one this O'brien dude keeps blathering about. In fact, hes apparently the only one who cares about it; he did do one talk at IEEE in 2010 (though strangely theres no mention of it anywhere except the bog-standard event page), but there doesnt appear to have been any chatter on the internet about it whatsoever.

    So, to the AC who posted this: hopefully this is a useful lesson. Anyone can say anything on the internet, and even make it look passingly believable. But if it sounds "too perfect", its probably rubbish.

    1. Re:Its nonsense by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Another Shiva Ayyadurai, except with even fewer verifiable accomplishments.

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    2. Re:Its nonsense by Rick+in+China · · Score: 1

      I'm actually impressed by people who can, in this age, create even questionable fabrications this elaborate.

    3. Re:Its nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I'm actually impressed by people who can, in this age, create even questionable fabrications this elaborate.

      It just takes money. He surely did it as an investment to pitch the show.
      Here's a story about the opposite - how to bury a questionable history.

    4. Re:Its nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Idiot. Having a website since 2000 proves nothing, since one can *do business* and not have a website. The company I work for was founded in 1984, and started its website in 1997; that doesn't mean the company didn't exist before 1997.

    5. Re:Its nonsense by asmkm22 · · Score: 1

      He also invented "Artificial Intelligence engines" whatever the hell that means.

    6. Re:Its nonsense by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      and at 13 years old started his company ScorpionComputerServices.com.

      Thats from his "about" page, linked at the "IQ 197" summary link. He is directly claiming to have created a webpage at that address in 1988, unless he is claiming to have been 13 in 2003.

    7. Re:Its nonsense by lakeland · · Score: 1

      Not a lot. Say you design a new heuristic for playing chess, you've now built a chess engine.

      Say you build a tool which people can load new heuristics into - perhaps a variation of best first with your own pruning algorithm, you've now built an AI engine.

    8. Re:Its nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably before 2000 the internet was not really important for business...

    9. Re:Its nonsense by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      His website proves itself false. He claims it was founded in 1988; however Whois records for the domain only go back to 2000, and the web address doesnt appear in the Wayback Machine until 2003.

      Neither of these mean anything. You can buy a domain name years after founding a business, you can even change names or get a different domain name at a later time. Wayback machine doesn't archive every single website, nor does it archive them from the very start. I remember back then Wayback machine didn't archive anything unless somebody explicitly searched for the domain in Wayback machine.

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    10. Re:Its nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it was on geocities before 2000 :-)

    11. Re:Its nonsense by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      He specifically claimed to have founded the dot com at the age of 13. Whois records can prove that false.

    12. Re:Its nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, the company was founded in 88. They had their old website on Ireland online which is a near prehistoric internet service provider. Yeah, I remember hearing about the guy from other programmers who took part in the programming olympiad. He's very smart, my guess is he's the real deal but the IQ: 197 stuff is clearly just hyperbole based on the tested mental age / actual age quotient.
      I'm very confident he's a genius but so what? There's lots of very smart people out there and CBS aren't making tv series about them. I can't see myself watching this show as so much of the representation of hackers in the media is naive and fantastical. In this case the show will be used to promote a business and will play up the smartness and infallibility of the protagonist. It's likely to be very frakkin tedious.

  15. Re:This seems simple enough, why are you asking /. by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

    He gave one talk at an IEEE event at a doubletree hotel in 2010. You would be very hard-pressed to find it unless you narrowed your search quite a bit; literally noone was talking about him at that point.

  16. What teh "scorpion" must be thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    fuckin' Frank Dux gets a big picture movie starring Jean Claude Van Damme and all I get is a puny tv show?

  17. he is a genious by Kkloe · · Score: 1

    in making other people post\talk about him

    1. Re:he is a genious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > in making other people post\talk about him

      Given the anonymous submitter I thinking this story was placed here by his own PR team. Slashdot still has a high pagerank so this story will give him more superficial cred - after all there was an entire story about him on slashdot. There is a saying in hollywood - "I don't care what you say about me, just make sure you spell my name right."

  18. He likes to pile it on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From his resume :

    I have progressed rapidly into many areas through both theoretical and practical research in the following areas:

    Marketing , Networking, Psychology (Child and Adult), Neuroscience, Artificial Intelligence, Systems Analysis, Teaching, Speech Recognition, Speech Synthesis, Astro Physics, PC maintenance and enhancement, Human-Computer Symbiosis, Robotics, Philosophy, Cybergenetics, Medical simulation checking, Virtual Reality, Vision Recognition, Computer animation and ray-tracing, Machine code low level programming, Legal hacking, MIDI sound recording, back-up systems, network databasing, autonomous vehicle research, Natural Language Processing, Heuristic reasoning systems, Computer search techniques, Use of the G.P.S, the use of over three million pounds worth of PC software and finally programming in over twenty five languages (at least one example of any significant language development since 1965). I can now become proficient in most languages within a week.

              This list shows quite a diverse level of experience and can be explained by saying that [...] I was completely self taught and all research was self funded.

    He may not be stupid, but he's certain to be manipulative or exploitative before being worth anyone's notice or praise.

    1. Re:He likes to pile it on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do I hear Xenu echoing in the background.

        Is this the coming of a new Elron, or maybe a MissCabbage?

  19. I worked for Dell back then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I worked for Dell at their Limerick manufacturing plant as a systems engineer back in the late 90's and early 00's. I then worked in IT in Ireland for another ten years. I've never heard of this guy or his company.

    1. Re:I worked for Dell back then by Anonymous+Freak · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If you read, he supplied more computers than Dell and Gateway combined....... Before 1993.

      While both Dell and Gateway existed since the '80s, neither were international powerhouses until the mid-90s. I'm sure both HP and IBM were blowing this guy out of the water in Ireland.

      I mean, I sold more cell phones worldwide in 2006 than Apple and Google combined, for crying out loud! (AKA: I sold one.)

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    2. Re:I worked for Dell back then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AKA, "Also Known As". Since the preceding sentence is not an alias for anything, the use of the initialism makes no sense.

      What you meant to say is, "i.e." for id est, meaning "that is". Not to be confused with "e.g.", exempli gratia, meaning "as an example".

      Regardless of the merits of your statement, misusing phrases makes you look like a dumbass. I don't necessarily wish to imply that you are a dumbass. If you do happen to be a dumbass, you can disguise this by [a] not posting, or [b] using words correctly, not using American slang, and definitely avoid using words in the Humpty-Dumpty sense:

      'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean â" neither more nor less.'

      I do appreciate your informative comment, thank you for taking the time to write it.

    3. Re:I worked for Dell back then by Anonymous+Freak · · Score: 1

      But the Humpty-Dumpty sense is the best sense!

      And, of course, you are completely correct. I should have used i.e., not AKA.

      It was a dumb Americansism-abused-grammar mistake. I shall claim "it was written half past midnight in a sleepy stupor" as my excuse. :-P I am normally a spelling/grammar pedant; this just shows that even OCD grammarians screw up once in a while. (In general, if my spelling or grammar is incorrect, it's on purpose for humorous effect.)

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  20. This Story Reeks of Advertisement by dmomo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I haven't heard of this show until now. I wonder Anonymous Coward is just a sort of straw man trying to drum up interest.

    1. Re:This Story Reeks of Advertisement by ruir · · Score: 1

      I havent heard of it until know, I expect to not hear more of it, and I certainly wont see the show.

    2. Re:This Story Reeks of Advertisement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why?

    3. Re:This Story Reeks of Advertisement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An intentionally weak argument is trying to drum up interest in a show?

    4. Re:This Story Reeks of Advertisement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An intentionally weak argument is trying to drum up interest in a show?

      There is no such thing as bad advertising. See the Streisand Effect.

    5. Re:This Story Reeks of Advertisement by dmomo · · Score: 1

      Yes. Straw Man isn't the best term, but it was the first term that came to mind.

  21. Genius or not, the story is bogus by SerenelyHotPest · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Leaving aside the fact that an IQ score in the 190s is absurd (no one has curved a test over a large enough population for such an answer to reflect actual score distributions), as far as actual, normed IQ tests conducted by actual psychologists go, it's hard to find a test with a ceiling higher than 160 these days. The Weschler, easily the most popular among these, has a ceiling of 160, and getting a score above the low 140s requires doing very well across most of the individual batteries, some of which aren't especially g-weighted. No, the quiz in Omni is not, as far as most psychometricians are remotely concerned, an IQ test. To define it as such is to destroy most of the meaning of the term.

    Occasionally, you see high scores due either to very old versions of the Stanford-Binet that did reach above 160 (it's likely that Ted Kaczynski got such a score) or the use of extensions of the old Stanford-Binet to investigate young people who hit or near ceilings, typically on verbal parts of these tests where raw scores tend to have a little more variance, but extrapolations to actual IQ scores aren't valid today due to the Flynn effect (ie: more young people are properly nourished and in intellectually stimulating environments than were in the early 20th century) and the fact that old versions of the Stanford-Binet weren't necessarily normally distributed along the 15-point sigma most tests are today. Though people have attempted to write on the upper echelons of performance on tests of cognitive ability, there's remarkably little that is peer-reviewed.

    The tl;dr of all this is that whenever you hear reports of IQ scores above 160, you can more or less assume someone is talking out of their ass.

    1. Re:Genius or not, the story is bogus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...you can more or less assume someone is talking out of their ass.

      Perhaps not a genius, but he does have some skills then!

    2. Re:Genius or not, the story is bogus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for saying all this so I didn't have to take the time to say the same. The first many comments talked big about IQ's of the 180's, or "all IQ tests are age calibrated" to bring them to the 200+'s. And I'm on my phone, so I wasn't looking forward to correcting all that misinformation.

    3. Re:Genius or not, the story is bogus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I took a big, Mensa-provided Cattell Culture Fair IQ test in the mid-90's and scored in the mid-180s along with two other people (it was a contest). That particular test has a standard deviation of 24, so the achievable scores are naturally higher than in tests that use a standard deviation of 15. It's very plausible that one could reach the 190s within that scale - the certificate said I was in the top 1/6000 of population (>99.98%) which implies there are over a million individuals at the same level or higher in the world. It was also pointed out that at the high end, just a couple of mistakes and/or right guesses can change your score by multiple points so it's silly to compare scores that are close to each other.

  22. A truly smart person ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... would understand that his / her knowledge base about whatever subject is so limited he / she can never be termed as 'smart' in the first place

    My IQ is far below "scorpion', mine is only 186, but I will tell you that I never consider myself as 'smart' at all

    1. Re:A truly smart person ... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not true. I work with EE faculty, and a number of them can't seem to grasp the concept that the being a brilliant engineer doesn't automatically confer one with expertise in diverse other areas such as patent law, accounting, videography, etc.

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    2. Re:A truly smart person ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ahh - unsubstantiated willy-waving of IQ scores which are meaningless other than to show how well you took an IQ test. God, I love the internet. Never has there been a greater facilitator of self-important low self-esteem.

    3. Re:A truly smart person ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mine is only 186, but I will tell you that I never consider myself as 'smart' at all ...and yet you couldn't avoid stating your IQ number. Yea right.

    4. Re:A truly smart person ... by sexconker · · Score: 0

      They more accurately measure the age at which you took the IQ test. The younger you are, the higher your score. Your age is nearly as important as your actual answers.

    5. Re:A truly smart person ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Man I wish could flaunt my IQ on the interwebs, but I can't because I'm too damn smart. Typically we of the IQ > 220 crowd keep quiet in public, allowing ourselves only gentle stroking of our nipples and an intolerably arrogant half-grin - well, that and some posting on /. obviously.

    6. Re:A truly smart person ... by Maow · · Score: 0

      Not true. I work with EE faculty, and a number of them can't seem to grasp the concept that the being a brilliant engineer doesn't automatically confer one with expertise in diverse other areas such as patent law, accounting, videography, etc.

      I'll agree and add a couple more topics that engineers often make fools of them self in: politics and climate science.

      And, to be fair, it's not just engineers that suffer this; it's any highly trained individual who lacks humility.

    7. Re:A truly smart person ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      My IQ is so huge it can only be expressed in hexadecimal. I am posting this directly from my mind while my body drives to the gym for a workout with my supermodel girlfriend.

    8. Re:A truly smart person ... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      Actually, the score (in answer points) plus the age (as inputs to a function, not as in arithmetics) make the IQ result. The tests are calibrated for different ages already.

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    9. Re:A truly smart person ... by JMJimmy · · Score: 2

      There are highly trained generalists who lack humility and don't make fools of themselves. They're the rarest of individuals but they do exist. ;)

    10. Re: A truly smart person ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If ever a comment needed a like button it is this one.
      I know one of these too.

    11. Re:A truly smart person ... by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      Anyone who lacks humility will, sooner or later, make a fool of themselves. However, self-confidence in one's ability is often mistaken for a lack of humility, especially when the one who is self-confident is highly gifted

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      The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
    12. Re:A truly smart person ... by jbmartin6 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Anyone will, sooner or later, make a fool of themselves

      FTFY

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    13. Re:A truly smart person ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interestingly enough, my IQ measure is higher as an adult than as a kid. I attribute this to getting out of an abusive household to a much more stable place in life... I qualified for Mensa as a child but not at an exceptionally high level. Today I qualify for several three sigma societies. But a statistical sampling of one is pretty meaningless.

    14. Re:A truly smart person ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well, My IQ is so large that it can only be expressed in terms of its prime number factors, each of which has yet to be discovered by contemporary mathematicians who search for such trivial things. I'm posting this from 1960, as I've perfected backwards time travel. Changing history just to screw with you mortals. My wife,? Just Marilyn Monroe.

    15. Re:A truly smart person ... by mrex · · Score: 1

      Self-confidence is a mark of delusion.

    16. Re:A truly smart person ... by quantaman · · Score: 1

      Man I wish could flaunt my IQ on the interwebs, but I can't because I'm too damn smart. Typically we of the IQ > 220 crowd keep quiet in public, allowing ourselves only gentle stroking of our nipples and an intolerably arrogant half-grin - well, that and some posting on /. obviously.

      How I wish I could share in the pleasures of the simple folk.

      We of the 300+ crowd find that somewhere in the range [263.4, 267.2] the nipple stroking becomes intolerable. The harmonic frequency of the human nipple bears a subtle, but undeniable, relationship to the cosmic background radiation. The resulting vibrations enhance our awareness of the approaching heat death of the universe while heightening our sense of ennui.

      Unfortunately the only body part we can massage without distress is our left pinky toe. As such we tend to spend much of our time practising yoga to maximally extend our remaining toe stroking years.

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    17. Re:A truly smart person ... by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      I had to wait years so I could sign up to /. and have a UID that's larger than my IQ.

    18. Re:A truly smart person ... by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      I'd appreciate it if you could keep my secrets on the down low... ;)

    19. Re:A truly smart person ... by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

      Not true. I work with EE faculty, and a number of them can't seem to grasp the concept that the being a brilliant engineer doesn't automatically confer one with expertise in diverse other areas such as patent law, accounting, videography, etc.

      What's it got to do with EE's? This applies to a vast majority of people who have Money/Power/Fame. You can usually tell when at some point in a conversation with them they utter "Don't you know who I am?"

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      "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K
    20. Re: A truly smart person ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your intellectual power is so great that it can only be used for good or evil

    21. Re:A truly smart person ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not necessarily. You could be aware that your confidence is baseless, but fake it for the social benefits. Or you could simply be to stupid to realize you have nothing to be confident about.

    22. Re:A truly smart person ... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Under-confidence (shy/pathetic) or Over-confidence (arrogant) is the problem.

      A balanced amount of confidence is perfectly fine.

      There is nothing wrong with past experience that proves to yourself that you know how to apply your knowledge and wisdom to build self-confidence & healthy self-esteem.

    23. Re: A truly smart person ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yikes, so all of that morally neutral stuff is right out, then?

    24. Re:A truly smart person ... by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      Sometimes. Confidence combined with deference and recognition of that which you don't know is a different sort of confidence than brazen overconfidence like this "Scorpion" guy. If you can admit what you don't know easily, I'm more likely to believe you when you say you actually do know something. But it takes confidence to know the difference.

    25. Re: A truly smart person ... by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When you're not good at anything, you think everyone else is faking it. When you're gifted and you don't challenge yourself, you think you're good at everything. But, if you're gifted and challenge yourself regularly, you learn to acknowledge what you do and do not know. Once that happens, you claim the mastery that is your due, respect it when you see it in others, and lose patience with those who constantly want to dispute the validity of what you've become. You learn to despise the word "opinion", because you constantly have it thrown in your teeth by people whose ego is incapable of acknowledging that expertise exists at all, let alone acknowledge that you might have it.

      At least, that's been my observation and experience. It's part of why I like volunteer work. When people are benefiting from your brilliance and watching you let others lead while you learn from them, they're less inclined to constantly challenge your capabilities, and more pleasant to be around. Purely social environments like bars and parties on the other hand, are a psychologically draining environment where bullshit flies, assertions are never compared against objective reality, and just listening to people talk threatens to make you stupider by normalizing a lack of rigor and discipline in acknowledging that you have areas of ignorance that no inherent brilliance can overcome.

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    26. Re:A truly smart person ... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Very smart EE's are the relevant group I happen to have interacted with the most, so that was the example I used. This issue is certainly not specific to them - and not all of them have this particular blind spot, either. A number of our faculty know very well in which areas they are experts and in which areas it makes sense for them to rely on the expertise of others.

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    27. Re:A truly smart person ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no scale on which my IQ can be measured, even Graham's number is too small...

    28. Re:A truly smart person ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not a narcissist, just an intolerably greater guy than thou.. in every possible and impossible way mind you, not that your feeble mind should ever hope to comprehend.

      Captcha: lookers

    29. Re: A truly smart person ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Few bother to even listen to the dire warnings from the world's leading synthesists ... Makes me wonder how many people really are that smart at all!

    30. Re:A truly smart person ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man I wish could flaunt my IQ on the interwebs, but I can't because I'm too damn smart. Typically we of the IQ > 220 crowd keep quiet in public, allowing ourselves only gentle stroking of our nipples and an intolerably arrogant half-grin - well, that and some posting on /. obviously.

      Not me.
      I'm always ready to brag about using my 230 IQ to get a lvl 90 hunter in WoW. Fear my feign death.

    31. Re: A truly smart person ... by Rational · · Score: 1

      "...mine is only 186" Well, if anybody was heretofore unclear as to the definition of "humblebrag"...

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      "Be nice, veer left, and never stop thinking" Iain Banks - Walking On Glass
    32. Re:A truly smart person ... by Xaedalus · · Score: 1

      Is THAT where you went, Joe DiMaggio?

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      Here's to hot beer, cold women, and Glaswegian kisses for all.
    33. Re:A truly smart person ... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      However, it's a really fun disadvantage to take in a role-playing game.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    34. Re:A truly smart person ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That sounds like some bullshit you stole from a bible...

    35. Re:A truly smart person ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You beat me to it. I was going to say that I have humility all over the place, but I still manage to make a horse's ass out of myself on a regular basis. I'm so used to it now, I see it while it's happening and I manage to look sheepish halfway through the self-humiliation. I like to think this lessens the severity, but honestly, it might increase it...

    36. Re:A truly smart person ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My IQ is so big it has a lobby and an elevator.

      My IQ is so big I have to call it "Mr. IQ" in front of company.

      My IQ is so big it was overthrown by a military coup. It's now known as the Democratic Republic of My IQ. Viva la IQ!

      (Heh -- those are funnier as dick jokes, but I think they still kind of work).

    37. Re: A truly smart person ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well said!

    38. Re:A truly smart person ... by mrex · · Score: 1

      A balanced amount of confidence is perfectly fine.

      What is a "balanced" amount of confidence? That's where the delusion comes in. None of us knows nearly as much as we think we do, but confident people don't realize this.

    39. Re:A truly smart person ... by mrex · · Score: 1

      Confidence combined with deference and recognition of that which you don't know

      If you truly recognize how little you know about the world, you aren't going to be very confident.

    40. Re:A truly smart person ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot to mention that your phone is on vibrate... and you get a LOT of calls

  23. Hacker? LOL by Mormz · · Score: 1

    Well yeah, he's a "hacker" who sold computers. He's no hacker, but more of a salesman who happens to know more about technology than an actual sales rep.

    IQ tests are not accurate because you can score better the more times you take it. Practice makes perfect and all that. While IQ itself is useful as one indicator of a person's capability to solve complex problems, it's only one of many such indicators. What good is IQ of 150 if a person is lazy? Or has limited attention capability? Or fails at abstract thinking?

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    1. Re:Hacker? LOL by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      I suspect my IQ is untestable. I was a subject in a few research projects as a child and teenager, so I've been through the common tests so many times I'd have an unfair advantage.

      No idea what they were researching. Most of it seemed to involve contriving circumstances and recording response - there was one involving a 'target shooting' game rigged so the researcher could decide if the subject would appear to score or miss the target. I remember because I took a great interest in trying to determine how it worked - I guessed the gun part was connected up to a rotary encoder or pot at the base that allowed a circuit to measure the angle it was pointing, before I realised that it was actually just a fake and the researcher had a switch on the back to determine if the solenoid to drop the target should be activated when the trigger was pulled.

    2. Re:Hacker? LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a current grad student can I point out you're stating "I was subject in a few research projects as a child and teenager" roughly translates to "my parents wanted 50 bucks for not having to do anything other than drop me off somewhere.".

      Just saying.

    3. Re:Hacker? LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many shots did it take you?

    4. Re:Hacker? LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one is impressed. You're still retarded.

  24. Well FWIW... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know him. Never impressed me, and definitely seemed to be talking above his pay grade. I always thought he wanted too hard to show he was a genius. Well, he found someone to eat up his story. Good for him, in this age of self-marketing.

  25. IQ of 197? by drolli · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The standard deviation of IQ seems to be 15

    octave:16> erfc((197-100)/15)
    ans = 5.9493e-20

    That means only a fraction of 5*10^-20 of total humankind would exceed his intelligence.

    Let me make a few remarks:
    -That would mean humankind could exists in it current size for another 10^11 years without finding a second one like him
    -Normal itelligence tests dont resolve in that region. It's pretty impossible to design a tests which ca resolve between 100 and 140 and at the same time distinct between 180 and 190. i am not sure if designing a test between 190 and 197

    -The most likely other option is that the distribution of measured IQs is heavy tailed (instead of normal). In that case, the IQ measurement needs to be corrected for that.

    I wish that journalists would turn their brain on and not off at every number they cite

    1. Re:IQ of 197? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think your maths are wrong. You should not use the erfc function to calculate probabilities of IQ above a given level.
      You should use the cumulative normal distribution function (e.g. NORMDIST in Excel). This leads to the following figures:
      50% of the population have an IQ of 100 or above
      15.8% are on or above IQ 115 (1 std dev)
      2.27% are on or above IQ 130 (2 std dev)
      0.13% are on or above IQ 145 (3 std dev)
      3 people on 100.000 are above the 160 mark.
      1 person on 3.5 million reach 175.
      1 person on a billion (1E9) reach 190.
      To reach 197, you are to be one out of 19 billion (=1/(1-NORMDIST(197;100;15;TRUE)) in Excel). This would occur about once in 19/7*60=162 years (assuming a world population of 7 billion and 60 years life expectancy)

      I agree however on the lack of a tests to support such claims. I think Mensa can rank people to about 160 but thats about it (given the above figures, your sample size would take such huge proportions and thus the test quality degrades).
      And your journalist comment is obviously true as well!

    2. Re:IQ of 197? by gsslay · · Score: 1

      I wish that journalists would turn their brain on and not off at every number they cite

      To be fair, what you just did there relies on knowing a fair bit of statistic methodology. Not something an average journalist does.

      But, yeah, any journalist worth anything should be able to spot bullshit. And an IQ of 197 is obvious bullshit. You don't need to do the sums to see that.

    3. Re:IQ of 197? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So intelligence-wise he seems to be further away from your average college graduate than the college graduate is away from a donkey.

    4. Re:IQ of 197? by PacoSuarez · · Score: 4, Informative

      You forgot to divide by sqrt(2) in your erfc expression. The actual probability of IQ of a random human being over 197 is about 5e-11, which means about 0.35 humans should have it.

      http://www.wolframalpha.com/in...

    5. Re:IQ of 197? by drolli · · Score: 1

      hey, thanks for spotting the error!

      wish I could moderate the answer up.

    6. Re:IQ of 197? by drolli · · Score: 1

      you are right.

      the error function is the cumulative normal distribution, besides a factor and an offset. i got the factor wrong (see the other answer to my post).

    7. Re:IQ of 197? by bluegutang · · Score: 1

      -That would mean humankind could exists in it current size for another 10^11 years without finding a second one like him

      He's probably lying, but this argument is weak due to the existence of black swan events.

    8. Re:IQ of 197? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would make sense if he's born with a brain and no legs or hands.

    9. Re:IQ of 197? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any journalist should know that modern IQ measures don't score above 160

    10. Re:IQ of 197? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It depends on the test. There are IQ tests with a different standard deviation. The "Cattell Culture Fair" IQ test uses 24. By that measure, there should be about 400K individuals in the world with an IQ of 197 or higher.

    11. Re:IQ of 197? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly, which adjusting for internet inflation seems to be =ROUND(x*2,0)*50 i.e. about 50 people who claim to be that smart :)
      I wonder does this apply to other phenomenon. I.e. anything that there's about a 50% chance of there being just one person and no more in the world with that characteristic is believed on the intertubes to apply to an elite of about 50.

  26. OT: worst news site photo ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry for the OT post, but TFA is among the lamer that /. has posted. And that's saying something.

    In an effort to claw back some of your wasted time, I would direct any aeronautic geeks in the audience to this article just posted.

    http://www.bidnessetc.com/2400...

    I am flabergasted, yes flabergasted, about how bad the graphic is. Completetly wrong jetliner (a Boeing A380?), absolutely no understanding by the artist about how air flow on a wing works, but brooding death in the skies? Yeah it got that.

  27. Their web site doesn't say much by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The web site reads like they're a big consultancy, another McKinsey. Then the testimonals are all about Walter. Oracle manager: "Walter showed a great depth of knowledge in Word, WordBasic Macro programming". He still has recommendations up which mention Turbo Pascal. Not seeing rocket science here. The biggest success reported was translating some large English-only application into multiple languages, which made it valuable in Asia. That's nice, but a routine job. He claims to have written a general-purpose program to help with such jobs.

    He also claims to have written ScenGen, a "scenario generator". It looks like that originated at Boeing in the mid-1980s. Running on a Compaq PC with 2MB back then. The pitch for the current model sounds like the one from back then, although the graphics are probably better now.

    The web site is awful. There are lines of text with excess white space in the middle. I looked at the HTML, expecting to find some overly complex Javascript which was misbehaving. No. The HTML source just has explicit non-breaking spaces in the wrong places.

    He seems to speak at a lot of strange conferences, such as the Family Office Association. A "family office", in this context,is a staff which manages the family fortune for a large, wealthy family. The Rockefellers have one.

    This is getting weird.

    1. Re:Their web site doesn't say much by JamieKitson · · Score: 2

      My favourite bit of the home page is the table hard coded to look like a bullet list:

      <!-- Begin Left Column Content -->
      <table width="350" border="0" align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
      <!-- Entry 1 -->
      <tr >
      <td class="rowbullet">&bull;</td>
      <td class="rowBulletContent">We saved $43 billion in opportunity risks over</td>
      </tr>
      <tr>
      <td class="rowbullet">&nbsp;</td>
      <td class="rowBulletContent">a five-year period <a href="quality-assur.html">SEE HOW</a></td>
      </tr>
      <tr>
      <td class="rowbullet">&nbsp;</td>
      <td class="rowBulletContent">&nbsp;</td>
      </tr>
      <!-- Entry 2 -->
      <tr>
      <td class="rowbullet">&bull;</td>
      <td class="rowBulletContent">We achieved a 6000% increase in transaction</td>
      </tr>

      etc

    2. Re:Their web site doesn't say much by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      "The HTML source just has explicit non-breaking spaces in the wrong places."

      This really points to the whole website being designed in front page, that was a fingerprint of that horrid horrid program.

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    3. Re:Their web site doesn't say much by orgelspieler · · Score: 1

      That is so wrong on so many levels.

  28. lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Never heard of this dude. In 93 Kevin Mitnick was old news, it was all about this crazy finnish dude doing something on 386s. And a neckbeard with some african animal talking about freedom. Oh and everyone was praising a rich geek dude from Seattle.

    1. Re:lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know how I know you're under 35?

  29. As for the grades by mythix · · Score: 2

    "genious level" smart people mostly don't do well in school, they can't cope with the system.

    1. Re:As for the grades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm inclined to think that that is popular and convenient 'trivia' that, while not actually true, helps school drop outs feel better about themselves.
      For any number that didn't do well in school, there may be twice as many who did extraordinarily well. Of course, you could always adjust the list of examples to support either view, since "genius" is a subjective label.

      "No genius does well in school!"
              "How about, say, John von Neumann?"
      "No *true* genius does well in school!"
              "Ahhh, got it"

    2. Re:As for the grades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can confirm. Didn't do well in school, must be genious.

    3. Re:As for the grades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is usually the excuse of these "failed" geniuses. What they forget in their high IQ drunkenness is that this problem exists for every other IQ score too. I have never had my IQ tested but i suspect im "average", yet I had all the issues of boredom and interrests lying elsewhere that they whine was keeping them from achieving greatness... (just look at all the people posting "my score is XXX but i had Y problem with school so I never really made something of myself")

      IQ is like Money. And advantage you still need to use well to not waste it away.

    4. Re:As for the grades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You hit the nail on the head. I had to drop out of HS my freshman year because I couldn't take it anymore and just skipped straight to college. Unfortunately after college I'm sure my IQ has plummeted due to partying.

    5. Re:As for the grades by 50000BTU_barbecue · · Score: 1

      I can't cope with the way you spell "genius".

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  30. One thing is for sure: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Judging by the comments, Scorpion has been successfully trolling all of Slashdot.

  31. IQ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's worth mentioning that not only are IQ tests utterly unreliable past somewhere around 150/160, IQ itself is widely considered to suggest, rather than indicate intelligence - it really only demonstrates that you can do well on an intelligence test.

    1. Re:IQ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My IQ goes up a standard deviation when I need to pee.

      It mostly measures speed of processing.

      The genius I'd most like to meet would be able to ace every question, but have to take too long thinking about each to get a good IQ score, that's because I'd like to talk about things that matter

  32. I'm Bill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was born on 3/11/81.
    I hacked the NSA in 2047.
    I was the first man to set foot on the moon.
    I discovered Merika.
    I'm the stunt cock used in the porno hit Deep Throat.
    I'm half Man half Bear and half Pig.
    I invented the Dutch Oven.
    I'm Chuck Nor.. Never mind better not go there.
    I hold the world record for being the most obese anorexic man.
    I sold my book as a practical joke to an author named L. Ron Hubbard.

  33. 194 is the max IQ for 8 billion people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you do the math for the normal distribution, the 1 person who is the smartest among 8 billion people has an IQ of 194 if you could measure everyone and if there was a test valid for 4 year olds and 25 year olds who speak different languages.. For 5 billion people it is 193. It doesn't matter how well you do on a test, you can't have a higher IQ. You can't give anybody a higher IQ without a large increase in population.

    The smaller population is the number of people who have taken the same IQ test, which lowers the maximum possible to the 160's as mentioned above.

    1. Re:194 is the max IQ for 8 billion people by msmonroe · · Score: 1

      That's neat!
      I think this is some sort of scam though. Hackers usually brag about exploits, one claiming to have a high IQ is inviting another hacker to one prove that he's smarter that him; plus being seemingly impossible.

  34. His Resume by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    His resume is quite enlightening:

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=32&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCEQFjABOB4&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwikileaks.org%2Fgifiles%2Fattach%2F50%2F50360_Walter_OBrien_Press_Background.pdf&ei=sdbpU4wih8yxBML1gJgI&usg=AFQjCNFENRly3LgRKtmGncBPfD1WHy_X3w&bvm=bv.72676100,d.cWc

    It is quite clear that he personally did the work he claims was done by Scorpion Computer Services while employed as a mid to senior level corporate developer at various companies. He had growing responsibilities, the signs of a solid performer. Yet there is nothing that stands out as real rockstar.

    1. Re:His Resume by eulernet · · Score: 1
  35. Re:what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CBS of NCIS "we got a hacker in the system" Abi and McGee start furiously typing at the same keyboard Gibbs solves the problem by unplugging the monitor fame got hustled?

  36. Re:He's on TV & the Internet, of course he's r by Xest · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You're right:

    From http://www.irishtimes.com/cult...

    "I was coming home from school and encountered a house surrounded by black cars. Mom was on the couch, crying; Dad was not too happy. A lot of men in suits were wanting to yell at me for what I had done but were a little surprised when out of my schoolbag I pulled an extradition waiver â" which calmed the conversation down. If they signed this [the extradition waiver] then I would show them where the holes are in their network. We ended up doing a deal â" which happens in most hacking incidents you never hear about.â"

    and:

    "The showâ(TM)s creator, Nick Santora, introduced him as a man who âoehas saved the world several times over, things he canâ(TM)t even tell us aboutâ."

    or:

    "One of Scorpionâ(TM)s executive producers told Comic-Con, âoeWalter personally caught the Boston bombers by writing an algorithm that tracked motion on all the cameras within a two-mile radius of the blast. That kind of thing makes for a really compelling episode of television. He also stopped nuclear meltdowns from happening.â"

    It's so full of weasel words it's unbelievable. An algorithm that tracks motion? what you mean checking if one frame is different to the next? that's tracking motion, hardly rocket science, any CS101 student could do it. Helped stopped nuclear meltdowns from happening? Well so have I, by not becoming an incompetent nuclear engineer that goes on to produce a flawed reactor design I assure you have also done exactly this. Things we can't be told about? Oh well, I'll assume they just don't exist then or I might as well just mention that I'm personally better than this guy because I saved not only the world numerous times, but the entire universe, I just can't tell you how.

    Which is a shame because it sounds like the show may be a bit like Numb3rs, the sort of show that might interest me, but with this insurmountable pile of tosh and bullshit that's apparently surrounding it I'm going to steer VERY clear. This guy is obviously an egotistical self-publicist and a serial liar, and the guys writing about him are obviously absurdly naive and have failed to realise that they could've made up these exact same stories without getting him involved.

    Everything he says is something many people could say and it would hold as much validity, there's literally nothing about this guy that's actually in any way verifiable - the incidents he claims to have been involved in, the things he claims to have done, absolutely none of it is verifiable. A genius that got a bog standard degree at a run of the mill UK university? - Christ, it's not like his "intelligence" even got him into Cambridge early, or even at all. It says he graduated in the late 90s, so if he was 13 in 1988 then that implies he only followed the same path of literally millions of other teens the same year he did. Why if he was such a genius wasn't he doing his A-Levels or degree early like real actual genius kids consistently manage to do? Even my fucking cousin got an A-Level at 14 because she was ahead of her years and yet she wasn't exactly exceptional - a few others in her school did too. I have two degrees, one of which I studied for whilst working full time, this means my academic achievements at very least are well ahead of this guy and I'm not exactly stand out either.

    I can find not a single shred of evidence that this guy is anything other than mediocre at best.

  37. Re:He's on TV & the Internet, of course he's r by StikyPad · · Score: 1

    hacking stories have more elaborations then truth.

    That's why I always skip to the end.

  38. Grades are to be expected by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He is only using 10% of his brain.

  39. Written by the team behind Prison Break? by lippydude · · Score: 2

    And just as unrealistic, I mean wouldn't a tattoo of the prison layout on your back be a bit of a givaway.

    'Written by the team behind Prison Break, the show “follows an eccentric genius and his international network of super-geniuses as they form the last line of defence against the complex threats of the modern age”, according to its makers.' ref

    1. Re:Written by the team behind Prison Break? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From what I remember, the tattoo was supposed to be abstract enough that no one would recognize it as the prison unless they knew to look for it.

    2. Re:Written by the team behind Prison Break? by lippydude · · Score: 1

      "From what I remember, the tattoo was supposed to be abstract enough that no one would recognize it as the prison unless they knew to look for it."

      What about that feller "Haywire" they put him in the same cell as Wentworth Miller, he spotted what the tattoo was. That's why they had to bring him with them. Haywire later on escaped and went round like the street numbers man off Sesame Street. Bicycling round, dressed in white overalls and sporting a football helmet 1:09 ref .. so as he wouldn't get noticed :)

  40. Nope... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nope... but Sub-Zero is!

  41. First-hand confirmation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Posting anonymously so I can't be accused of e-peen extension, but I can confirm this is the case.

    I was IQ tested at age 7 and scored a 160. They "age corrected" the score to 152 using some kind of algorithm that was never explained to me.

    I was IQ tested again at age 16 and scored a 148, non "age corrected".

    So I guess however they do the tests for children tends to over-inflate the scores, but my own experience tells me that someone at least knows how to correct those scores if they so choose.

    That said, I would still suspect anyone claiming publicly to have an IQ north of 180 to be 100% full of shit.

    1. Re:First-hand confirmation by vbraga · · Score: 1

      All IQ scores are age calibrated.

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      English is not my first language. Corrections and suggestions are welcome.
  42. Eccentric genius Walter O'Brien aka. Scorpio by lippydude · · Score: 1

    Has Walter produced any actual papers on computer science that were published or reviewed or cited in reputable journals.

  43. Re:He's on TV & the Internet, of course he's r by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

    Of course it's based on a true story. Once, there were some kids, and they thought they were badass hacker geniuses.

  44. Well that's no indication by Maury+Markowitz · · Score: 1

    > hacking Nasa at age 13

    He's currently 39, which means this took place in the 1980s. A dog could "hack" NASA in the 1980s. Hell, they were already so far back down the other side of that bell curve of interest, they were talking about it as passé in "Out of the Inner Circle" which was published in 85.

  45. Re:He's on TV & the Internet, of course he's r by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

    I dunno about the degree thing. I mean, the kid is full of bullshit talk, but hey, I've had bad grades in school. My Statistics teacher was pissy because I had Ds and I got like 4 exam problems wrong all year--I never paid attention in class, I never did any homework, I was always goofing off, and I chewed through stat exams like a correctly working version of Mathematica. Obviously, I knew my shit hard; but I was failing the class.

    It was boring. Well, homework was boring. I got better shit to do than waste time relearning things I already know. I'll relearn things I've forgotten, thanks.

  46. focus a skill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it is raining, it is cold, there is no trees, food and the water tastes like car batteries. I'd be laser beaming of the irish kind myself to get out too. The irish tales have been around 1500+ years just like walter o'brien but different subjects of the century. Even my own surname has a mythological god...that lived in the flesh.
        "It is about insecurity, more than inferiority. A fine line between the two." - Walter O'brien

  47. A claim of brilliance counterindicates brilliance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A claim of brilliance counterindicates brilliance.

    How many genuinely smart braggarts do you know?

  48. For all your IR projects by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Except, obviously, for web design.

  49. High IQ means you scored well on a test type by sandbagger · · Score: 1

    Nothing else.

    First off, there are two Mensa-grade IQs on every bus at rush hour, statistically. Secondly, High IQ and no ability in music will not make you a 'genius' in music. High IQ and no work ethic will mean you'll end up in your underpants, yelling at the TV about the government.

    At best, high IQ is useful for certain types pf intellectual problem solving. That's it.

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    ---- The above post was generated by the Turing Institute. Maybe.
  50. Everything on TV is fiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He makes fun of Fox News?! Ahahahaha. Smart and sophistocated.

  51. You mean a fictionalized show is fiction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great scoop slashdot! Next you'll tell me that that one highschool chemistry teacher really couldn't have made all that Meth, or that all those people couldn't have really survived that plan crash.

    Shouldn't we be more concerned with whether the show is good or not? There have been a lot of IT and hacking inspired shows popping up lately. It's kind of nice to see a subgenre come to main stream. But just from the cast photo on the FB page, I can tell you it won't be a good show. They might as well have put up photos of the Scooby Doo team, that would have felt more authentic.

  52. He claims this himself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OK, so I tried a quick search on "World Olympics in Informatics" and Google corrected it for me to "World Olympiad in Informatics" - minor issue but you'd think he'd get the name right.

    The really funny part was the first suggested ad-link was for the Special Olympics

  53. But he has 97 technologies! by Bulge+Temptingly · · Score: 1

    It says right there on the bio page. That's a lot of technologies.

  54. He's no Hank Scorpio by Horshu · · Score: 1

    Now *that* guy means something to this world!

  55. Facebook by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    Well all my friends did that facebook quiz and it proved they were all geniuses with IQ's all north of 130!

  56. psychometrician by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    You might as well call yourself a pyromancer or a techomage at that point.

    Probably has about the same amount of credibility so far as I am concerned.

  57. Your Smart But You Appear to Suck by NoPhD · · Score: 1
    I think IQ is a terrible way to analyze someone. I have been tested to an IQ of 181 but my learning disabilities cause me to excel in some areas and falter in others. Though the places I faulted are compensated in other ways, it is difficult for others to grasp how difficult those compensation activities are and the impact on the speed for which genius function. For instance, my memory is hierarchal. To recall some facts my brain searches for information using sort of a bread crumb approach to remember something. This appears to others as if I don't know or cannot understand. Yet, I come up with better solutions and have more thorough understanding than they know. This brings me into conflicts with others during argument. Because I appear to be an idiot in the short term and a savant in the long term.

    Adult IQ's of Famous Geniuses: Bobby Fischer (Chess Player) 187, Galileo Galilei (Astronomer/Philosopher/Physicist) 185, Rene Descartes (Philosopher/Mathematician) 180, Immanuel Kant (Philosopher) 175, Charles Darwin (Naturalist) 165, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart (Composer) 165, Albert Einstein (Physicist) 160, George Eliot (Writer) 160, Nicolaus Copernicus (Astronomer) 160, Rembrandt van Rijn (Painter) 155

  58. I'm gonna go ahead and say no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I perused his/their project list. For whatever reason I decided to google this one:

    "1994 Created the Generic Micro Universe Robot A-life Simulator & Created the Puzzle-8 G.P.S. Solution. The universe simulator could animate a landscape of any planet in the solar system and then populate it with entities that would visually search for food and drink before dying and fertilizing the ground. The simulation would show for various variables how long life could last on other planets."

    The first hit is an identical website called "Strike Force". The fourth hit was an academic research paper explaining essentially the exact same thing, with the word "A-Life" right in it. Funny his name isn't mentioned anywhere.

    Here's another: "1991 Created and marketed the Trident-5000 security system for IBM PCÃ(TM)s."
    Too bad the Trident-5000 is a file cabinet. I suppose you could call that a security system.

  59. Just like Frank... by HockeyPuck · · Score: 1

    He's no more of a Genius than Frank Dux is a Kumite Champion and responsible for the popularity of MMA...

  60. If this guy was an American by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    then this whole discussion would never have begun in the first place. I think that is where the shoe hurts.

  61. Nope... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come here!

  62. No, Intelligence /= Wisdom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Intelligence /= Wisdom and are wholly separate.

  63. Re:He's on TV & the Internet, of course he's r by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    We don't do A-levels in Ireland!

  64. Intelligence==Potential Energy by jjoelc · · Score: 1

    Intelligence is a boulder sitting on top of a mountain. Ain't nothin' hapennin' until someone gives it a push.

    Having a higher IQ just means you have a bigger boulder to push against.

  65. IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps he can't count to 198 ?

  66. Agreed, & the ideal of "polymath" = better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's all "fine & dandy" to have a high IQ - trick is, can one show he's applied it to the "general good" of humanity via accomplishments.

    APK

    P.S.=> Lastly, per my subject-line above - I've always personally admired those known as "polymaths" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P... FAR more, & why? They tend to be CLOSE to "genius levels" in what they do (ala say, "virtuousos" in musical arts being extremely proficient on MANY musical instruments, but in this case, different arts & sciences), & "tie together" those skills on sometimes DIFFERENT FIELDS creating something that makes BOTH DIFFERENT FIELDS, better (which makes all the difference)...

    ... apk

  67. Yawn by manlygeek · · Score: 1

    The life if full of hot air. Those that "do" usually don't brag about it. Those that wish they did make all the noise.

    --
    Be More, Be Manly, The Manly Geek Ubergeek Extraordinaire Blogger: www.manlygeek.com/blog Podcaster: podcast.man
  68. Yeah I do.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know Einstein was a mathematical genius but failed elementary math but still was able to teach himself geometry and algebra before he was a teenager.

  69. Genius by hackus · · Score: 1

    Einstein, Tesla, Newton, Boole.

    Contributions way the freak ahead of their time, and not just the knowledge they knew, but what they decided to do with it, was probably pure genius in my opinion.

    There are lots of smart people in the world, but very few of them really contribute anything beyond paper test scores or academic nonsense.

    To be a true genius in my opinion, you look the world straight in the eye, tell it your full of crap, and whack upside the head with a contribution that challenges civilization at the time.

    All of the above men did that, some centuries before their contributions fully took root.

    --
    Got Geometrodynamics? Awe, too hard to figure out? Too bad.
  70. As for the grades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Alternative: People who can't even cope with high school are too stupid to realize they're not geniuses.

  71. Can't resist to give my feedback. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://imgur.com/dUtjfFi

    And a small surprise when you (try to) send your message.

    This has to be a joke.
    Scorpion. What a stupid name for a so called genius. Sounds like a villain in a good old Chuck Norris movie.
    Except you are neither Chuck Norris nor badass.
    You should switch to "Clown". Or "The Clown". It is more exclusive.

    You made my day, Scorpion. Great material.

  72. Seriously... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a T.V show, they are made up by writers looking to make the mundane interesting.

    In other words, no one cares as long as it is entertaining. Move along, nothing to see here.

  73. IQ is horseshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An IQ of 197 implies that it was a ratio test and is statistically meaningless. Plenty of Slashdotters could score 200+ on whatever test he scored 197 on.

    Deviation tests (the only tests with any statistical validity worth speakig of) don't allow for an IQ even as high as 190.

    No this kid is not a genius. Just skilled. As anyone of reasonably high intelligence could become with similar interests and passion.

  74. 1 years experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I do like from the website http://www.scorpioncomputerservices.com/images/Scorpion_Placemat.pdf

    "Our network of 200 professionals collectively has the knowledge of more than 210 years in IT", so that'll be an average of 1.05 years each. Wow.

  75. Doesn't know XML by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

    From the promos it looks like he doesn't even know how to generate properly formed XML:

    </SCORPION>

    should be

    <SCORPION/>

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    I am becoming gerund, destroyer of verbs.
  76. Hi mister web developer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Real hackers do not care about your latest web 2.0 fad. I'm sure you can code some RAD html , and shoot some point and click some epic video on your Iphone, but when it comes to *actual* engineering, we'll you couldn't create a unique technology that came from your own mind if your life depended on it.

    In all honesty, you are a dick rider, riding any latest trend others invent for you to dick ride more on. Keep ridin that dick!

  77. Genius at Self-promotion by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

    Does anyone know anything to back up the genius claims being made about Scorpion?

    I know he's made it onto the Slashdot front page without having accomplished anything much more in his life than I or half a dozen other folks of my generation can boast. My grades were similar to his, I also had a really high IQ on some bogus test when I was a kid. I don't remember exactly how my ACM programming teams did, but 90 of 250 sounds roughly in the right ballpark. I've done NASA work, and know at least one way to "hack" some of their systems. Yet, I seriously doubt you'll ever see an article about me up on the Slashdot front page (and if you do, most likely it means I screwed something up epicly).

    So clearly he's at the least a genius at self-promotion.

  78. a genius usually doesn't get an A in school by jerryjnormandin · · Score: 1

    You can be a genius and not get an A in your typical school. You get bored too easy. As you age you still have the raw genius brain power but you if you don't have self discipline no one else would think you are a genius.

  79. Re:He's on TV & the Internet, of course he's r by Rary · · Score: 1

    Most things we do with computers, whether "hacking" or anything else, are really not that difficult to do. There are some challenges, but it's not rocket science. However, most people don't understand computers, so anyone who does is seen as a "genius". Sure, maybe one or two are, and a few others are maybe of particularly great intelligence. But most "nerds" are really not that smart, just dedicated, which is really all it takes to become proficient at any particular skill.

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    "You cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war." -- Albert Einstein

  80. Umm, it's CBS... by atom1c · · Score: 1

    Did all of the /.ers somehow forget that this is another media-hyped fictional storytelling program on CBS? Heck, they even fabricate sources in their everyday news reporting! Why would they somehow base their television programs on any actual facts?

    CBS' motto is simple: If Mikey's Little Website has it typed up in color-blinding BLINK tags, then it must be true.

  81. Re:He's on TV & the Internet, of course he's r by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the best post showing this to be a badly researched work of fiction. If you have mod points move it up to 5.

  82. Beneford's Law of Headlines... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This story's headline can be answered, per Beneford's Law of Headliens, as "no."

    There is nothing more to see here. You can close the story now.

  83. Re:He's on TV & the Internet, of course he's r by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

    you didn't do any of the work and you're sad that you got bad grades? did you ever think that there could be more going into a grade than the score on a final test?

  84. I am a troglodyte by Xaedalus · · Score: 1

    My I.Q. score is 119, which is pathetic because I couldn't even muster up enough Brawndo to bust out one more point and make it an even number. I punch myself in the balls every morning for breakfast, and have been doing so since I was four. I can read, but only out loud and I still haven't mastered punctuation. I believed everything I read, saw, and heard as a teenager and as such contracted every venereal disease known to man, got convicted for cattle buggery, and am forbidden to set foot inside the state of Rhode Island. When asked to program using Vi, I do so in EMacs, and I do so by flogging my keyboard with my limp penis. I blame Obama for having the nerve to be Dubya's father, I choke on chewing gum when attempting to walk, and I make all my phone calls while I'm on the toilet experiencing my weekly bout of dysentery. I keep on trying to run Android on my iPhone 3G, Windows on my Linux desktop, and I still cannot wear matching socks. I, sirs, am a complete retard.

    --
    Here's to hot beer, cold women, and Glaswegian kisses for all.
  85. The profile page for their employees... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is hilarious.

    I couldn't figure out what the hell they meant by "Technologies: XX" until I scrolled down far enough to find a profile with "Technologies: C/C++, HTML...".

    It feels like the page is a screenshot out of a video game.

  86. Interesting, I had the opposite experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I could not understand how someone could be failing at school if they were not completely retarded. It seemed to me that with 10 minutes a day you could rush through that boring stuff and get the minimum to have everyone (teachers, parents) off your back. I was a geek, and didn't mind going through any book, so I spent a little more time, like an hour or so, and I was always one of the top in the school. Yes, some (mostly girls) who studied hours a day got some higher grades since they did all the homework and learned everything by heart, but since they could not do perfectly in math, physics etc when I could with no effort, overall I was pretty close. And everyone was happy, parents, teachers and me. I mean if the teachers think you are a good student you can get away with anything.

  87. Mod parent up by pipedwho · · Score: 1

    Mods, this is both +5 Insightful and Informative.

  88. He put the "error"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...in the name "error function"!

    (sunglasses land on face)

    Slipped right on his asymptote!

    YEEEAAAAAHHH!!!!

  89. Re:He's on TV & the Internet, of course he's r by Xest · · Score: 1

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those that thinks that degrees are essential, or an indicator of inherent knowledge or skill - I did crap at Computing A-Level for example because I was already doing sockets programming in C at home, whilst they were managing to stretch out the teach of what was little more than "Hello World!" in Pascal over about 3 months at college so I just simply wasn't motivated enough to succeed. So I'm exactly with you on that one. Part the reason I did a second degree was because I went back to have another pop at the subjects I'd previously not done great in and hadn't had much professional experience with but wanted to improve my knowledge of some more - specifically pure maths topics like number theory.

    But I think in this case the point is that this guy actually went to a Uni - something he just wouldn't do if that wasn't his thing and he didn't go to a stand out one. I didn't go to Cambridge because I wouldn't have gotten in at the time, this guy had no reason not to go to Cambridge, because regardless of his grades Cambridge would've looked at his supposed IQ of 197 and given him a place as that's the exact sort of thing that intrigues Cambridge far more than grades (because it plays to their PR view if nothing else - "Look we netted the most intelligent person in history!"). In fact, chances are Cambridge would've even sought him out explicitly upon news of perhaps the greatest IQ ever known reaching them. Unless of course it never actually did, because the whole thing is fabricated.

    Cambridge is also the sort of place that would've challenged him, it's the sort of place that gets geniuses that are unmotivated because they're not challenged because it has a whole massive long history of working with such people and turning them into the greats.

    So I get that people like you and me wouldn't have such an easy ride yet still do perfectly well in the real world (I've done far better career wise than every single better graded pupil at the schools I went to for example), but if this kid is as gifted as he claims then that alone would've made the big players like Cambridge notice. Apparently though the only ones that notices were the University of Sussex. It's possible even MIT or similar would've taken him given that he apparently went outside of his home country of Ireland anyway, but rather than ending up at a top 10 world university, he ended up at one that slips outside even the top 100 - there are 16 more highly ranked universities than Sussex in the UK alone. Again, the amount of universities that would be clamouring to take in the most intelligent person ever as measured by IQ would be far higher than just the UK's 16th best university even if Cambridge or Oxford missed him.

  90. I measured the size of my penis... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And it turns out it's over six sigma above the norm, too.

    Aw shit, I mean my IQ.

    Nope, wait, I mean my ego.

  91. Re:He's on TV & the Internet, of course he's r by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

    Who cares? I knew the material better than anyone. If the point of the education system was grades, I'd just cheat.

  92. Star Lord, man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Legendary outlaw.

  93. No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone agreeing to be put in the spotlight of a TV show is the farthest thing from genius.

  94. TV is fiction, even if based on 'fact' by servant · · Score: 1

    TV is fiction, even if 'based on real people or situations'. Get over it and move on. I plan on watching anyway. If they make a compelling case, I will watch more, if not or if the acting is unreasonable (either over the top or to bad) I'll drop it like any other fiction. Even the news is fiction to me (or at least under suspicion) until I get the same feed from other sources preferably outside the news media, or at least outside domestic or others known to have a 'dog in the hunt' sources.

    --
    ... "When you pry the source from my cold dead hands."
  95. Re:He's on TV & the Internet, of course he's r by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These anecdotes sound like Chuck Norris jokes.

  96. As for the grades by xuanvf · · Score: 1

    give up :) download iwin

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