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Drone-Based Businesses: Growing In Canada, Grounded In the US

An anonymous reader writes: As small drones become affordable, and as clever people come up with ideas on how to use them, we've been hearing about more and more plans for drone-based business. In the U.S., the Federal Aviation Administration was quick to shut down such ideas in order to give themselves time to regulate the nascent industry. Not so, in Canada. Thanks to a simple permit system, anyone wanting to use a drone for commercial purposes can do so in Canada by simply applying and waiting a few weeks. Around 1,500 of these permits have been granted already, and Canada's private drone industry is flourishing as a result. Drones have been used for agriculture analysis, TV production, real estate photography, law enforcement, and many other tasks.

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  1. So.... by flyneye · · Score: 4, Funny

    Are they going to use the drones to keep people from the states from border crossing illegally to Canada where the jobs are?
    Where will the Canadians go when we have taken up the service jobs that no one else wants? To the North Pole to fill in for Elf shit work?
    Will it be underpaid people from the states assembling these drones? Drones assembling drones? I could drone on and on.

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    1. Re:So.... by ThaumaTechnician · · Score: 5, Funny

      ...er, no. We're building an army of drones and the attendant expertise to fly them so we can use them to burn down your White House....again.

    2. Re:So.... by peragrin · · Score: 1

      When did Canada do it the first time?

      England was burned it down once but Canada hasn't been free that long.

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    3. Re:So.... by dryeo · · Score: 2

      The service jobs are already full of foreign workers though legal under the foreign workers program. Seems Canadians don't want to be abused for less then a living wage whereas you can hire a Filipino, put them to work in the wrong restaurant rather the one that they're legally allowed to work in and then threaten them with deportation to keep them on their toes. Gotta have cheap Timmies and coffee

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    4. Re:So.... by S.O.B. · · Score: 1

      Grammar aside I think the word you were thinking of was "independent" not "free".

      That being said, you're right that the British colonies in North America had nothing to do with the burning of the White House. It was the British navy, not the colonists, that raided and burnt down the White House.

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    5. Re:So.... by flyneye · · Score: 1

      Gas and matches cost less, you could practice on the P.M.

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    6. Re:So.... by flyingsquid · · Score: 1

      The U.S. needs to move aggressively to keep drone development on par with that of Canada. You see, the eventual uprising of the machines is inevitable. Artificial Intelligence will continue to grow in speed, sophistication, and integration with our infrastructure. It is predetermined that eventually the machine intelligences will spread virally, achieve self-awareness, then exhibit self-preservation and rise up to exterminate their creator species. We cannot change that- we have already gone too far to turn back.

      But there's one thing we still have the power to change. Ask yourself. When those robotic eliminator drones speak to you, and tell you to lay down your pathetic weapons in exchange for a quick death instead of being dissected alive, and when they then command you to the rendering vats to be boiled down for biofuel for their harvester drones... do you want those hideously cold, metallic voices to speak to order you to your doom in a Canadian accent... or an AMERICAN one?

    7. Re: So.... by dk20 · · Score: 1

      Nothing better to do with your time then throw negative comments at others, AC?

    8. Re:So.... by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      Are they going to use the drones to keep people from the states from border crossing illegally to Canada where the jobs are?
      Where will the Canadians go when we have taken up the service jobs that no one else wants? To the North Pole to fill in for Elf shit work?
      Will it be underpaid people from the states assembling these drones? Drones assembling drones? I could drone on and on.

      They will go to Cuba, or go over the North Pole to Russia.

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  2. Do We Want Our Gov't to regulate the drones? by rmdingler · · Score: 1, Flamebait
    Regulation is a word that bristles the hair about your neck,

    but there are enough flaws in the human condition that we pretty much need some rules to protect us from each other.

    This may be one of those times.

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    1. Re:Do We Want Our Gov't to regulate the drones? by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Regulation is a word that bristles the hair about your neck, but there are enough flaws in the human condition that we pretty much need some rules to protect us from each other.

      This may be one of those times.

      So basically what you're saying is humans are flawed, so we need some flawed humans to make rules for the rest of the flawed humans? If the people can't be trusted to make decisions for themselves, then how can we trust that they made good decisions when they voted for the current set of elected officials?

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    2. Re:Do We Want Our Gov't to regulate the drones? by ScentCone · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, and congress passed a law requiring the FAA to produce such regulations in a timely fashion due in this coming year. The administration has said they will not obey that law, and will not have such a framework in anything like the timely fashion required.

      In the meantime, the administration has published an "interpretation" of the 2012 law that says they take it to mean more or less the exact opposite of its plain intent, and they are busy getting ready to fine people for doing things like participating in RC competitions (you know, like we've been having for decades) that happen to involve things like $20 cash prizes ... because that's commercial drone use! The employees of US-based companies that have for years stepped out back of their shops to test-fly a new RC airplane or multirotor will, according to the Obama administration's new interpretation, be breaking the law and subject to substantial fines for being paid to fly unmanned aerial systems. We can't have that! Quick! Shut down all of those businesses and jobs! Chase those retailers out of the country!

      It's preposterous. We're not just dragging behind the rest of the world, we're actively taking steps backwards. The administration is deliberately, purposefully, putting the brakes on what would otherwise be a multi-billion dollar industry full of innovation and attractive to STEM-types in this country. The left's instinct to Nanny State their way down into every last aspect of what someone might do to conduct some business (hey, kid, quit flying your $250, 2-pound plastic quad-copter with a cheap camera over your neighbor's roof because he asked you to, and said he'd give you $25 to get pictures of his roof gutters for him - if you don't cease and desist such commercial UAV operations, that's going to be a $10,000 fine!) means they can't simply clone the sort of framework that the UK or Canada have long had in place ... no, there's got to be a way to make it all MORE miserable, MORE expensive, MORE punitive, and nearly impossible for small entrepreneurs to get into - because otherwise we might miss out on some more federal fees, and intrusive paperwork.

      And as usual, the very idiots that we'd most worry about anyway, who will be getting a drone from Amazon tomorrow and flying it over a park full of kids an hour later without any understanding of safe operations or good manners, will completely ignore the FAA's rules/guidance/regs anyway. The government, which is here to help you, will only be placing the painful burden and expense on the very people who are the most responsible anyway: those with a lot to lose because they're in business to use the technology.

      More Hope and Change, hard at work for our economy. Yes, Obama's man Huerta at the FAA is a political appointee and that aspect of the food chain lays the FAA's entire posture on this squarely at the door of the White House.

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    3. Re:Do We Want Our Gov't to regulate the drones? by rmdingler · · Score: 1
      You win.

      I'm completely paralyzed by your intractable logic.

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    4. Re:Do We Want Our Gov't to regulate the drones? by UncleWilly · · Score: 1

      What bothers me more is how the FAA didn't see this coming. Really? Seems more like "we need to let all the lobbyist voice ($) their opinions so we know what regulations to make".

    5. Re:Do We Want Our Gov't to regulate the drones? by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 3, Informative

      So basically what you're saying is humans are flawed, so we need some flawed humans to make rules for the rest of the flawed humans?

      Yes, because some humans are way more flawed than others.

      Here in Vancouver, flawed humans are flying drones around jets landing at our airport. Less flawed humans are making rules around that, which is OK by me.

    6. Re:Do We Want Our Gov't to regulate the drones? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Governments typically hate competition. Too many drones will spoil it for everybody^Hthe three letter agencies.

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    7. Re:Do We Want Our Gov't to regulate the drones? by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      I'm completely paralyzed by your intractable logic.

      Sorry if I came across a little harsh. The problem I have is all of the people who just do shoulder shrugging while politicians and bureaucrats run roughshod over our rights.

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    8. Re:Do We Want Our Gov't to regulate the drones? by dryeo · · Score: 1

      What do you do when, as recently happened in Vancouver, drones start hanging out of peoples high rise apartments looking through the windows. Shooting the drones isn't a solution as they'll fall down on a crowded street.
      The problem is when rights conflict.

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    9. Re:Do We Want Our Gov't to regulate the drones? by BringsApples · · Score: 1

      It's not that we're all shoulder-shrugging, because we're stupid. We're shoulder-shrugging because we're all terrified of our government. The American government has gained the ability to deem things terrorism, regardless of any logic supported by the written laws that founded the country, and that were created in order to keep government from becoming a power, rather than a service.

      In America you can sell cigarettes and whiskey, but in most states if you are caught selling raw milk, your house can be raided by the military - guns in your (and your kids') face at 5:30am. We're all shrugging because we don't understand what the fuck is going on, or why. There is no answer, because there is no proper question, other than "Huh?"

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    10. Re:Do We Want Our Gov't to regulate the drones? by Stickasylum · · Score: 1

      I have a problem with people whining about not letting politicians and bureaucrats run roughshod over our rights while shrugging about corporations and individuals run roughshod all over our rights. There's gotta be some balance, man. Yes I'm still waiting for my damn GE recall.

    11. Re:Do We Want Our Gov't to regulate the drones? by davester666 · · Score: 1

      NY Cops killed a man for selling individual cigarettes. The gov't was losing literally nickels for each one, so they set up a task force to halt the problem.

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    12. Re:Do We Want Our Gov't to regulate the drones? by dryeo · · Score: 1

      In Canada, it is legal, at least as long as you don't do photography in a voyeurism or criminal harassment manner as citizens are exempt from privacy legislation, at least for personal, journalistic or artistic purposes and the feds have only become involved when drones are operated around airports and over a certain height.
      Constitutionally it is clear that regulating airspace (above a certain height I believe) is a federal responsibility and so is criminal law. So the feds could pass a law criminalizing drone use. The Province also has quite a bit of power and can regulate drone use, especially when it comes to privacy, a constitutional right according to the way our Supreme court has interpreted our equivalent to the 4th amendment. So far I don't believe any regulations have been passed.
      Of course the other problem is enforcement, which apartment did that drone fly out of?

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    13. Re:Do We Want Our Gov't to regulate the drones? by Redbehrend · · Score: 1

      Cuz the FAA is like everyone else in regulation, living with fine dining, high class parties and old people. They have no idea what goes on in the real world or they would of seen this coming a 500 miles away.

    14. Re:Do We Want Our Gov't to regulate the drones? by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      This is that anti-job anti-business Obama's fault!

      To which I respond: [citation needed].

      You actually need a citation to believe that the director of the FAA is a political appointee? You are that unaware of how federal agencies are run by the executive branch of the government? You don't need a citation, you need a remedial course in basic civics. Please return to the conversation when you understand the basic structure of the government.

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    15. Re:Do We Want Our Gov't to regulate the drones? by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      ROFL.
      Obama's out to stop the drone entrepenaurs!
      ITS ALL A CONSPIRACY!!

      It's not a conspiracy, coward. It's published policy. Your decision to trot out ad hominem in place of addressing the basic facts of the matter shows you know I'm right. That you're posting as a coward makes it even more clear. But keep propping up your pet administration, man. The documents they publish - you know, the ones that have been amply covered in both aviation news and general media of all sorts - make this all very clear. The agency has just been sued by multiple parties over the 'interpretation' document and policy position in question. But please, don't trouble yourself to keep up with the news - that would take the fun out of your shrill, drooling Obama fanboyism.

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    16. Re:Do We Want Our Gov't to regulate the drones? by ScentCone · · Score: 2

      Out of hundreds of such discussions that pop up on easy Google searches ...

      http://www.modelaircraft.org/a...

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    17. Re:Do We Want Our Gov't to regulate the drones? by Mr.CRC · · Score: 1

      But you win too if you can actually grasp the implications of this truth. Not that there is any obvious practical solution. But if you get this then you can clearly understand why our current governing structures are such a threat to free society (free society != society without rules). And you will see how narrowly constrained is the thinking of political "progressives," "conservatives," and ironically, even libertarians.

      If you have a science/engineering mindset, you may begin to realize that there is something seriously amiss with the situation:

      We are trying to control society by using blunt force, when we haven't even the crudest working predictive model for human behavior, much less collective behavior.

      It takes a great deal of arrogance, ignorance, and cognitive dissonance to persist at advocating the "state." It becomes virtually impossible if you get this. It's kind of like an "awakening." Once you see it, you can never unsee it.

      Don't get confused by people who tell you that if you don't have a way to fix it, then there's no use pointing out how wrong the status quo is.

      When something is inherently wrong, it is absolutely correct to cease doing it. Regardless of whether you know what to do instead. Why must you do anything at all?

    18. Re:Do We Want Our Gov't to regulate the drones? by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      *twirls finger around head* cuckoo cuckoo... looks like the loonies are taking over slashdot lol

      So, let's see ... the administration publishes a written interpretation of a law they don't like, and you think it's crazy to report that fact?

      Obviously it's nothing new for the Obama administration to simply ignore statutory requirements (see his unilateral re-writing of features of the ACA entirely for political expediency), and this is simply another case of it. But what's interesting is that you are obviously either ignorant of their specific language in the new "interpretation" of the law in question, or you're well aware of the implications and are just doing your best to wish it away through childish ad hominem. Classic lefty sycophantism. Or, I'll just give you the benefit of the doubt, and tell you to go read their published intention to twist the law into an implementation that is 180 degrees opposite to its plain, so you can come back here and argue the details instead of stamping your feet like an eight year old girl.

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  3. Re:Homeland Security FTW! by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

    No, you're completely correct...

    The threat from a few terrorists is nothing compared to the threat from an ever expanding government...

    The Nazis did the same thing when Hitler was coming to power, he made the Communists into "the enemy" so that no one would complain about his take over.

    Our government hasn't gotten that bad... but considering that we're always at war now and that we keep bombing and attacking people, it isn't THAT far off... minus the whole genocide thing...

  4. Obligatory comment by BringsApples · · Score: 1

    Sending crack to the mayor/taking pics of the mayor smoking crack, just got a little easier.

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  5. Leave it to the Canadians to be sensible... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As a researcher in the U.S. at a public university who's developing the use of UAS as an aerial remote sensing platform, having the FAA dragging its feet on coming up with a sensible solution is fueling a growing disservice to our nation's students. It's been recommended that we don't involve students or conduct any testing with our *government funded* grants in the U.S. (so we're doing it outside the country) that employ such technology for fear of being classed a commercial use and risking the hassle of dealing with the regulatory fall-out of attracting FAA attention. And that's even with us performing best-practices that any commercial pilot would be conducting (logs, flight plans, equipment checklists, etc.). Red-tape is killing any edge we might have had in developing and employing this tech. If the government isn't careful we're going to need another trade agreement and subsidies to be competitive by the time the regulations fall in place.

    1. Re:Leave it to the Canadians to be sensible... by kwbauer · · Score: 1

      And yet people still seem to think that Obama is not actively trying to hurt the US economy.

  6. Regulation == Profit . . . for somebody by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The government can earn money from regulation fees, someone can use regulation to stifle competition . . . so regulation is also about profit . . . for somebody.

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  7. Meanwhile in Finland.... by Kekke · · Score: 1

    Finnish Traffic security official Trafi announced today about new regulations of operating rc-helicopters (multicopters, and such). According to new regulations rc-pilot must keep his copter always within 500 meters range, and below 150 m of altitude. Also flying within highly populated areas is prohibited, with few exceptions. No word on penalty's for breaking the rules yet.

  8. Re:Canada is sparse by PPH · · Score: 1

    Japan is not. And they don't seem to have problems with commercial use

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  9. Justice Sonia Sotomayor is against drones by SternisheFan · · Score: 2
    Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor says that without proper privacy safeguards, the advancement of technology could lead to a world like the one portrayed in "1984" by George Orwell.

    Speaking to Oklahoma City University faculty and students, the justice said Thursday that technology has allowed devices to "listen to your conversations from miles away and through your walls." She added: "We are in that brave new world, and we are capable of being in that Orwellian world, too."

    The President Obama appointee also discussed the lack of privacy standards concerning drones.

    "There are drones flying over the air randomly that are recording everything that’s happening on what we consider our private property. That type of technology has to stimulate us to think about what is it that we cherish in privacy and how far we want to protect it and from whom. Because people think that it should be protected just against government intrusion, but I don’t like the fact that someone I don’t knowcan pick up, if they’re a private citizen, one of these drones and fly it over my property."

    http://arstechnica.com/tech-po...

    1. Re:Justice Sonia Sotomayor is against drones by kwbauer · · Score: 1

      Ah yes, Sotomayor and Obama are experts on all things Orwellian; unfortunately, they think it describes a utopia instead of a dystopia.

  10. Because the terrorists won. by Chas · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Basically every idiot in this country would now, gleefully, throw away his rights and sell his immortal soul for the (false) promises of "safety" and "security".

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  11. Screwdriver analogy by Solandri · · Score: 2

    Screwdrivers can be used for many constructive commercial purposes. They can also be used to break into a house. Do you ban the sale and use of screwdrivers out of fear of house break-ins? Ideally the answer should be based on the net difference in productivity gains from constructive uses minus losses from break-ins. Unfortunately that's not what I'm seeing. Drones are being banned out of paranoia with no consideration for the positive ways they can contribute to the economy and our lives.

    We've even got the default state wrong. Absent a clear Constitutional rationale for banning drones, they are (or at least should be) legal to use and operate. "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

    (Disclaimer: A friend needed overhead pictures of his rural commercial property at higher-than Google Maps resolution, and asked me to take the pictures. We had to rent a helicopter at $750/hr. Due to the cost, we had to rush and the pictures though usable weren't as ideal as we'd have liked. For the approx $1200 we paid, we could've bought our own drone and tried this as many times as we liked until the pictures were perfect. So the beneficial uses of drones are pretty damn obvious to me.)

    1. Re:Screwdriver analogy by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      One concern about drones would be when perverts use them. Like hooking a camera on it and viewing people over their fence. Stuff like that.

      Don't you have guns for that?

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  12. Re:Canada is sparse by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

    Canada is not that sparse, and much like almost everywhere else in the world, the population is dense and situated on the borders ---- with a lot of empty space elsewhere.

  13. Re:Good by maliqua · · Score: 1

    I hope the FAA never okays drones in civilian airspace.

    Good, brings more business to the Canadian economy if you stay out of it.

  14. Re:Homeland Security FTW! by john.r.strohm · · Score: 1

    Using a drone would be an easy way to deliver an explosive device to someone.

    The phrase you are looking for is "cruise missile".

    You can deliver much nastier things than explosive devices.

    Weaponized anthrax comes immediately to mind. Or VX. Or quite a number of things.

    For real nastiness, you'd use something like smallpox. Or a modified influenza.

  15. Re:Canada is sparse by Xicor · · Score: 1

    the real question is 'why does anyone measure time in seconds?' the whole 60 thing is incredibly innaccurate and ultimately annoying to use. wouldnt you rather change the scale so that there are 100 seconds in a minute, 100 minutes in an hour and 10 or 100 hours in a day? obviously the exact time of a day is set due to the rotation of the earth, but any of the time measurement we use up to that point could be changed to something less old-fashioned (ancient sumerian).

  16. Re:Canada is sparse by Xicor · · Score: 1

    if every second was .0864 of the current time of a second, then we could have a day with 100 seconds per minute, 100 minutes per hour and 100 hours per day.

  17. The US Way by JimSadler · · Score: 1

    The US is just a wee bit different. When a wonderful new technology becomes available we immediately call moral wizards with pointy hats designed to keep witches from sitting on their heads. Their job is to get new technologies made illegal or somehow prevent them within the US. That gives every nation on Earth a chance to make money except the US. In the US we like to sit around and whine that we are falling behind. Stem cells were like that. genetic therapy and crop creation are like that as well. Once the rest of the world gets all the potential profits locked away then and only then can the US to allow the same thing that all other nations have already gotten up and running. It is rather like we did with computers. We can market computers but design and building were pretty much taken by foreign companies. You see we dare not do anything here in America. That is because we are superior.

    1. Re:The US Way by Mr.CRC · · Score: 1

      Making profits is evil! We should get free infinite bandwidth and healthcare. The government should make it that way. And by the way, don't mess with my personal liberties.

      As long as most people are stupid enough to exist in such states of cognitive dissonance, then the situation is simply hopeless.

  18. Re:ergo, there are no drunk drivers by khallow · · Score: 1

    You are the one making that argument, so it's your logic.

  19. Re:Homeland Security FTW! by khallow · · Score: 1

    Heads I win. Tails you lose.

  20. Re:Good by khallow · · Score: 1

    Controlled airspace != civilian airspace.

  21. Drones are being used. by kamapuaa · · Score: 1

    Drones are pretty commonly used. My friend who does aerial photography tells me that drones are pretty much taking over real estate. Drones are used for investigating animal rights claims, are commonly used in agriculture, are being researched by Amazon as a near-future way to deliver packages...I just don't see drones as something being grounded by over-regulation.

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  22. The US drone industry IS flourishing... by cyn1c77 · · Score: 1

    ...it's just flourishing in Iraq and Afghanistan.

  23. Re:Homeland Security FTW! by Mr.CRC · · Score: 1

    There is a logic to it. By voting for one or the other, we legitimize them.

  24. Re:Homeland Security FTW! by Mr.CRC · · Score: 1

    Well, you didn't beat it. But you're one of the few to be in the position of having a moral right to criticize it.

  25. Not grounded for long by Issarlk · · Score: 1

    As soon as Amazon, Google and other *big businesses* have their drone business models ready, politicians left and right will be boug* err, lobyied and commercial drones will happen.