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Alleged Satellite Photo Says Ukraine Shootdown of MH17
theshowmecanuck (703852) writes A group calling itself the Russian Union of Engineers has published a photograph, picked up by many news organizations (just picked one, Google it yourself to find more), claiming to show that MH17 was shot down by a Ukrainian fighter plane. The interesting thing is the very quick ad hoc crowd sourced debunking of the photograph using tools from Google maps, online photos/data, to their own domain knowledge backed up with the previous information. It would be interesting to understand who the "Russian Union of Engineers" are and why they in particular were chosen to release this information.
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If this is real, that has got to be the worst pilot I've ever seen.
You don't fire at such a square angle. You want to be behind or in front. You also don't fire missiles when you're so damn close.
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Russians have been modifying photographs long before Photoshop.
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For a decent debunking go to the Bellingcat blog. Also saw some graphic somewhere that clearly showed that the perspective was wrong by an order of magnitude, either the plane was 1 km wide or the satellie was orbiting at 20 km or so. This fake is so bad, that I think the only target audience is the Russian public, most of whom believe everything that Putin's propaganda machine feeds them. I have a Russian colleague, whom I normally regard reasonably high, that believes some really strange facts about this incident. She probably gets all her info from Russian websites.
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So all this CSI stuff is real?
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Admittedly it took a little, but I can understand how having to outdo the Ukrainian minister saying Russia is about to drop Da Bomb on them in pure bullshit propaganda takes a while.
Quite frankly, news about that whole shit are simply not interesting any more. The average episode of CSI contains more realism than any of the news we get from that area.
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Truth is highly variable in a war zone.
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Just put it on reddit. They will find those responsible
That they just so happen to have had a satellite track that one plane.
Obviously fake, move along.
The Russian propoganda machine really needs to re-hire the guy that made the "vanishing commisar" picture. That was awesome work. This is just sad.
I recall an absurd picture by Kim-Jong Un a while ago of projected missile trajectories from NK to the US. Thing was, all of the trajectories were straight lines on a Mercator projection, and they were dead serious. If they knew what was wrong with that, I'd be suprised they could keep a straight face long enough to take the picture.
Makes me wonder how people buy this crap... until I realized we probably eat similar garbage up, just more thoughtfully crafted.
The photo itself is more bunk than a bag of oregano.
Here is the report about from the Russian Union of Engineers translated to English:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/MH17_Report_Russian_Union_of_Engineers140818.pdf
It concludes that the Malaysian flight was brought down by a Ukrainian SU-25.
...the Soviet Union of Engineers?
I've seen the same kind of thing. I know a lady who's from Serbia. Very smart woman, and she's lived in the US for a couple decades, immigrated and become a citizen. However, when it comes to world news, she believes the Serbian media over all others. It's pretty bad too, it makes Fox News look credible (well almost) with the level of propaganda and shit. However, to her, that's the truth.
It seems a somewhat common thing that whatever you start getting your news from first is what sticks with you as the "true" news if there's disagreement later.
Like those who eat up the partisan politics in the US, or those who refuse to accept evolution as established science, the pro-Putin apologists don't care to be told the evidence was fabricated. That's not going to change their belief that it is genuine. Nothing will shake their beliefs. If you could show them actual video footage of the shooting of the plane by the separatists, if you could bring forth the actual people who shot the plane down and secure their confession in person, the response would be that the video footage was doctored, and the confessions coerced.
The rest of the world knows that Putin is ultimately responsible for this, but history is littered with the resolute convictions of idiots who will stop at nothing to defend the despots they have lionized. But should Putin fall, these people will be the first to disavow their allegiance, saying they were never in support of him in the first place.
This obviously is not an attempt at Russian propaganda. Russia has already stated that they've spotted an Su-25 on the left side of the aircraft. While Ukraine does have a few working MiG-29's, why would Russia suddenly change the story from an Su-25 to a MiG-29? Ukraine, however, has always insisted that a Russian MiG shot down the aircraft, when they weren't insisting that Donbass rebels or Russians shot down the plane with a BUK. So someone is trying to make it look like Russia is releasing this garbage which looks prepared by some Ukrainian half-wit.
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I'd put together a fake image which looks good enough to pass the sniff test for a day or two, but which is designed to "go off" shortly after when the public gets a chance to deconstruct it.
The results: "Ha! We, the West, have caught you red-handed, and we solved this problem ourselves, so we OWN the discovery! Now the belief that you are a sneaky and tricky enemy is connected to our feelings of self-worth, because we shall remind you, WE the public caught you red-handed because we are clever and discerning! Ha and Fie, I say, you blackguards!" (etc.)"
Seriously. Are the Russian secret services really SO bad at their job, that they didn't know exactly what the fallout would be upon releasing such a poor fake?
I'll answer that rhetorical for you: No. No, they're not. Their job is subversion and craftiness and they're really damned good at it, and they bloody well would not be so stupid as to not realize how such a photo would backfire.
But somebody did. In fact, somebody knew exactly what the fallout would be and they planned for it.
If anything is "obvious" here, it is that this is the propaganda equivalent of a False Flag attack.
My guess is CIA/Mossad.
Russia is only the enemy if you happen to be a Western/European Elitist 1%er trying to hold on to your pile of ill-gotten gains and legions of serfs.
Make sure the people are looking outward for an external enemy rather than at the psychopaths in power right here at home.
Truth is the first casualty of war.
I'll put a bet on a bunch of "patriotic" fanboys with photoshop plus a newspaper that wants to score brownie points with Putin and maybe not get it's journalists assassinated.
What's truly alarming are the apparatchiks that were conveniently removed from the image.
My guess is CIA/Mossad.
Just out of curiosity, what would Mossad have to gain from something like this? I could see them trying to give Al Queda or ISIL some bad press, but what would they have to gain from making Ukraine look bad?
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Implies that area (and possibly others) are under constant surveillance.
I wonder how long until they can stream video from a satellite, store it, and go back later and watch the movements after a crime to see where and possibly who did it.
If they can't already.
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Right Search for Georg Bilt, an alleged MIT alumnus that sent this engineer union the photo.
Who knew?
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Just out of curiosity, what would Mossad have to gain from something like this? I could see them trying to give Al Queda or ISIL some bad press, but what would they have to gain from making Ukraine look bad?
That's a fair question.
On the morning when the airliner was attacked, world attention zeroed in on that event and failed to react to the Israeli ground offensive launched into Gaza.
That's the micro. On the macro side, fanning war flames between the East and West will result in a lot of dangerous oil politics which generally sees the oppression of Israel's historic enemies.
When one charts the major offenses launched by Israel which have had the potential to raise the ire of the world, or when peace talks threaten to lead to real concessions, there has *always* been some kind of outrageous attack which galvanizes public attention on something other than the issue at hand. Then a few weeks later, when the world regains its senses, too much time has passed and everybody has forgotten what Israel has done.
Business as usual. Basically, Israel has better spycraft than the rest of us. (Of course, saying so is "anti-semitic"! Which is just another example of practical counter-intelligence.)
Usually before the war even officially starts.
I have no idea why a sane person would suspect Mossad.
Some sane people suspect Mossad of secretly supporting the Russians in their war against Georgia, because they may actually have gotten something they could use out of that (Russian support against the Iranians). But they really don't give two shits about who owns Luhansk and Donetsk, but they definitely give a shit whether the Russians hate them because a nuclear-armed Security Council state could make life very uncomfortable for them. So they are gonna stayt far away from any anti-Russian operation in this conflict.
If one is to believe the Russians (ha!) the picture shows a jet which is clearly not an Su-25 but rather a more modern Mig.
First, look at the wings. An Su-25 has a very shallow swept wing design which is because it is for ground attack. You need wings which are stable at slow speeds.
The jet in the forgery clearly has very sharp swept back wings consistent with all modern jet fighters.
In addition, if you look closely at the picture the Russians provided, there are no pods on the wingtips of the jet shown. Now look at the Su-25. Pods on each wing tip.
Also, the elevators (the small wings at the back of the jet) are too large in the picture provided. The Su-25 has much smaller, more narrow ones.
Second, look at the nose of the jet in the forgery. Long and pointy. Now go look at a picture of an Su-25. Shorter and more stubby, similar to a Harrier.
Finally, there is issue of ceiling. The Su-25 has a max ceiling of 23,000 feet. Most 777s fly from 35,000 to roughly 60,000. If the Su-25 was flying at roughly the same altitude as the jetliner, that means the pilot was flying higher than Mt. Everest without any oxygen because the Su-25 does not have a pressurized cabin.
Granted, none of this will matter to the Russian people, but anyone who has two brain cells can clearly see this isn't even close to being an Su-25 as the Russians claim.
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>It would be interesting to understand who the "Russian Union of Engineers" are
Some sort of post soviet modernist circus act, obliviously.
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“Thus, the material reported by 1TV cannot be deemed credible to support the theory that MH17 was shot downed by another aircraft.”
Actually, all that might be proven is that the photo is falsified. It was NOT part of the actual Russian Union of Engineers Report, which is the best forensic analysis to date. Considering that the Engineers went to great pains to be factual in their report, I find it curious that a random “GIFT” shows up supporting their conclusions, by an US “MIT expert” from “wikileaks” with an image that can be easily proven false. Rather than an attempt to perpetrate a scam by the Russian engineers, it appears this is more likely counter-propaganda DESIGNED to DISCREDIT the report by associating it with TAINTED evidence. All of a sudden the headline story goes from “Credible group comiles credible evidence of UKR jets shooting down MH17 to “Russia tries to pass false evidence”. The Engineers were suckered into a honey trap of planted evidence. ITV couldn’t resist the “smoking gun” scoop, and got snookered by NSA. The report, with sufficient evidence to prove their theory will be dismissed and never read. Meanwhile the “attempted fake” story will be repeated every time the UIKR jet shootdown is mentioned. And the US and KIEV will never have to show THEIR current iteration of “proof”, *which Kerry has, but can’t show.) Contrary to your conclusion, the PR scam makes the Engineers evidence even MORE compelling.
I see no evidence that anyone who sounds sane does suspect Mossad.
Re "I'd put together a fake image which looks good enough to pass the sniff test for a day or two, but which is designed to "go off" shortly after when the public gets a chance to deconstruct it."
Some interesting ways to track this.
MI6 or CIA got something found in Russia and it was rushed out to the media. FSB just watched to track the origins, publication and expected Western media results.
Russia released the image internally to follow the image to expose some internal NGO or other well funded networks.
Limited hangout.
ie just to see something internal to Russia been activated.
Some other group set this in play and Russia, the US and UK are just interested to see where it tracks back and why.
So the value was not in the poor fake but its origins.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Truth is the first casualty of war.
Usually before the war even officially starts.
I wouldn't be surprised if murdering the truth was done on occasion specifically to facilitate starting the war that follows.
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
How many colored people live in the Ukraine? Hmmm? Just sayin'. Coloreds are all the same.
All the people who live there are colored.
Most of them in various shades of beige.
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
In the US, it was reported that pro-Russia rebels immediately surrounded the crash area and actively interfered with the debris and prevented investigators from entering the scene. If that's true, that's says a lot about the guilty parties.
If anything is "obvious" here, it is that this is the propaganda equivalent of a False Flag attack. My guess is CIA/Mossad.
But surely the CIA/Mossad would be clever enough to realize that Anonanonaon would quickly figure out their False Flag strategy and expose them on Slashdot, so they'd know better than to try it... meaning that the only remaining explanation is that Russia put out the fake photo as a False False Flag attack, to make the CIA/Mossad look bad!
This is why you never go in against a Russian when death is on the line!
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Oh, that's simple. The Russian tradition of conspiracy theory always blames the Jews. If you're the sort of person used to reading and believing conspiracy theories that justify Russia, it would take exceptional intellectual effort and insight to realize blaming the Jews makes no sense at all in a particular case.
Or perhaps more likely "pro Russian shill" next time, spend a little more time doing research before you put together your bullshit theory. See you seem to have missed one little detail: This came from Russian TV. This isn't something that surfaced in the US, purporting to be originally from Russia, it was on Russian national television.
So, maybe think your bullshit conspiracy through next time,a nd make sure you know the sequence of events.
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You appear to have posted before reading my other response to this very valid question...
(Also, you're rude and kind of crazy-sounding in your over-reaction.) I apologize to anybody just tuning in to this exchange for my blowing this trumpet more than once; I wouldn't have to if these gentlemen would just settle down and stop tunnel-visioning and calling names...
So...
On the day when the airliner was attacked, Israel launched a major ground offensive into Gaza. It's first in just over five years.
Now I don't know about sane, but if perhaps I were an Israeli war minister, I might take the precaution of tasking my spy network with setting up some kind of powerful distraction elsewhere in the world (like the crashing of a passenger plane on a hot border) to cause enough shock and awe that my rolling tanks and troops into the walled ghetto to bomb, shoot and terrorize an unarmed, starving, civilian population (who it is common knowledge, I truly, truly wish to see exterminated).., that such an unabashed war crime might be overlooked by the rest of the world, reeling as they will be with the horror and drama of a plane crash and hysterical nonsense about Russian missiles.
This tactic has a long and august history. But like I said, I've already explained it once already. I hope I don't have to do it again.
http://politics.slashdot.org/c...
Their working theory is that cockpit itself was completely burned out,... Fly by wire computers however are spread across the aircraft AND FULLY REDUNDANT.
Are you retarded? A fire that traverses from the cargo area to the cockpit takes out enough "FULLY REDUNDANT" systems AND SENSORS THAT THE SYSTEMS RELY ON much less of course utterly messing with structural integrity is not going to leave a plane flying for hours and hours, changing course and altitude along the way.
If that's the "working theory" then what they are "working" on is selling you something that you apparently want to buy very badly. Very badly...
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Alleged Satellite Photo Says Ukraine Shootdown of MH17
What?
photos of "russian" tanks in southeast Ukraine taken straight out of World of Tanks. We are being lied around 365 degrees.
Actually, planning is the first to die.
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On occasion? Can you name a war that was started for the "right" reasons?
Prussian-Franco war of 1870/71: Started after a telegram from France was deliberately mangled in translation by Bismark to represent an affront.
WW1: Started after an ultimatum to Serbia by Austria was accepted but Vienna decided to simply ignore the acceptance and pretend it was rejected.
WW2: Started on the premise that Poland attacked Germany (when it was actually German special troops posing as Polish soldiers).
Korea: North Korea attacked South Korea on the pretense that they attacked.
Vietnam: Gulf of Tonkin
And so on and so forth, up to the invasion in Iraq for the phantom WMDs. Why should this war be different?
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The problem with plans like that are numerous, sundry, and gi-fucking-normous.
The number one biggest problem is finding a reliable trigger-man. If you use an Israeli (or even a non-Israeli Jew) it's gonna be pretty conspicuous, so you need a reliable gentile. Let me repeat: you're looking for a person who is willing to murder several hundred completely innocent people, but will never betray you. Because if he does betray you you got bigger problems then a bunch of Euro-sissies with no military complaining about your latest Gaza offensive, you've UN resolutions accusing your PM of war crimes, the country you usually depend on to protect (the US and Russia) will not protect your ass, and your back-up (Israel maintains a fairly good relationship with the Russians) is probably sponsoring the damn thing.
Then there's the problem of getting weapons in the right place. You get the right Ukrainian patsy that works fine, but that guy pretty much has to be a Ukrainian ultra-nationalist, and Ukrainian ultra-nationalists are not known for their loyalty to the Zionist project. They're also not known for their ability to keep secrets from Russia.You could get around that problem by using an IDF aircraft with an IDF pilot, but getting an IDF aircraft 800+ km across Turkey, the Black Sea, Russian bases in Crimea, etc. without anybody noticing is not an easy task.
1/ the photographs show a different model of boing (767 instead of 777);
2/ on the photograph, the jet attacks boing from the right side, while it was hit from the left side;
3/ the airline company logo on the photograph and on the actual plane were located at different places;
4/ there's a difference of 12 hours and several minutes between the time indicated on the "photograph" and the time of the actual downing of the boeing;
5/ when comparing the size of the boieng (and that of the "unidentified jet") to the size of the visible landmarks, one arrives to the conclusion that boeing's length is around 6 kilometers, that of a jet - of 1,1 kilometer, and so on;
6/ the "zoomed" part of the photograph is different from the "original": this is because two different maps (one from google map service, the other one from yandex map service) were used for each. you cancheck each land parcel one by one (taken at different months of the year, they show land with crops and land with crops partially removed, respectively);
7/ the position of boeing on the picture, once geolocated, is at about 25 km to the south from the actual place of downing; the jet is another 50 km away;
8/ "zoomed" part shows exactly the same cloud formation that an yandexmap picture taken 2 years ago (and the rest of the map looks identical, too);
there are also other inconsistencies. russian internet is just full of them - it looks like if people were in a kind of contest to find even more.
yet russian television keeps showing those images )
you can read more here (sorry, there's no english translation for yet, which i would be aware of):
http://zyalt.livejournal.com/1...
http://oude-rus.livejournal.co...
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http://v1adis1av.livejournal.c...
http://timberhead.livejournal....
Because one's a bird and the other's a tree.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
This isn't about shedding blame anymore.
Everyone and their mom knows the Russians shot down MH17, and the Russian govt is aware of this.
This latest photo is fabricated for the purpose of causing a divide between the Russian people and the rest of the world.
What's the easiest way to go to war? Make sure that your people support you...
So, your defense to the claim you swim so deep in the fever swamps of anti-Jewish conspiracy theories that you can't notice they're patently ludicrous is . . . presenting a patently ludicrous anti-Jewish conspiracy theory.
The anomalies I pointed are ordered for the specific reason. In my opinion, the most obvious and interesting theory is that Putin's plane was near the same air space close to the same time as MH17 (something I have not seen mentioned in US media or in this thread). This could have been a simple, yet tragic, case of mistaken identity.
We don't have the reports from the investigators, and may never have their reports. Looking at an event like MH17 does require investigating the benefits of shooting down a plane. Lacking evidence all theories are valid as each other.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
That's a logical distillation, granted. However, it is based on some critical over-simplications and assumptions which are not accurate wrt how the black world operates. The reality is rather more complicated (and interesting) in terms of what actually happened, what was reported, and the players who had influence on the outcome.
I'm afraid I don't have the time or energy to offer right now to explain it all at length, but here's one of the better reduxes of the whole scenario:
http://www.sott.net/article/28...
Give that a read-through and see what you think.
They made a video a few months ago saying that they shot with the cannons not with a missile.
they even went to such lengths as to have a couple of fighters shoot at targets on the ground to make a documentary of sorts.
The aims are double: First and most important is rallying the Russians under Putin's flag and show them that it's all the fault of the Evil NATO. And the second is to try to create an atmosphere of doubt around the investigations giving their loving audience something in the West to delight themselves.
The reason for the first thing is that the whole MH17 issue was seen as a mayor fuck up of Putin's regime, no matter if it were the Russian separatists or the Russian Army themselves who fired the missile: It was an act of utter idiocy and this is something that Putin cannot tolerate. If you start looking like an idiot in front of your own people you may end up in the exile somewhere in the Barbados.
And regarding the second point: Mr Putin has a very eager fan base in the USA and here in Europe. In the USA it's all the teabaggers and conspiracy theorists who will believe anything as long as it makes Obama look bad, no matter what. Most of them believe in the literal intepretation of the Bible anyway.
Here in Europe the fan base is composed of all these "Eurosceptics" parties like UKIP or our dear and beloved Geert Wilders who always has had a warm heart for Mr Putin with his PVV who are making all sort of freakish questions to our Parliament such as a motion to protect peanut butter (Not a fucking joke!). Very interesting that such an incident who would make any nationalistic populist wet his undies hasn't even made Mr Wilders raise a single brow. He has just not even given a signal that the noticed anything... while here in my hometown, Hilversum, it was just last Monday that the examination of the bodies finished and a long funeral caravan went in direction to the towns of the victims. Four of them will remain here.
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Actually, I have convincing evidence that Obama hasn't been born yet.
Which means he is three times as unqualified to be President.
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It is WELL known and publicized that the Russians spend time and money planting false info, blogging false info and producing false info. (AKA Russia creating it's own Wikipedia)
The "truth" is what Google SEO says it is. SEO = the real world equivalent how loud and how often you say something.
And we all know that truth is a function. Truth = Volume x Repetition
It was stated very plainly that both sides are dishonest. Looks like CF found some sock puppet assistance since his personal attack of me has been moderated "insightful" and my post moderated "flame bait".
I could have probably presented my case more evenly, there is a bit of bias there. At the same time, we already get the US Spin on the issues from just about every source so it was not intentional bias but highlighting the other side of the debate.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
So an Israeli security contractor put a bomb on the plane, which nobody noticed, and timed it to go off over a very small war-zone, and it worked?
This is an aircraft that travels at 900 kph. If the pilot's a half-hour behind schedule he's over Kiev when the bomb goes off. If it's an hour he's in Poland. If he's 10 minutes ahead of schedule he's well into Russia.
Even if you have an answer for that one you still haven't addressed the risk/reward: if the Israelis get caught doing this they get fucked. All of Europe would ostracize them. That means UN Security Council resolutions requiring everyone to embargo Israel until they've turned half their security services over to the Dutch for prosecution. The US is not gonna veto those resolutions because a couple hundred million Europeans are a lot better alliance-partner then 7-8 million Israelis. The Russians probably wrote the damn resolution, because the Israelis were trying to frame Russia. That means Israel's only hope is China, and the Chinese are not likely to stick their necks out to save the people who just pissed a) their biggest energy supplier, and b) all their customers.
That's a lot to risk for some abstract reward of "distracting" people.
It doesn't matter that it is a fake and the world knows it, it panders to the internal political audience to hang their hat on.
Yeah, where is Obama's birth certificate?
Yeah, check it out:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/site...
We have here everything
- multiple layers on a supposed "scan"
- strange shadows
- strange mixing of color and b/w parts
Good enough for the American public, so it seems.
Except for the fact that it appears to have paid off with zero blow-back. Again.
Which suggests that your risk assessment isn't an accurate representation of the real situation.
Your clear-cut IF/THEN reasoning is not in and of itself at fault. However, (and I've pointed this out already), it stems from an 'official' reality where much of the relevant detail remains out of view. You cannot extrapolate accurately using faulty and missing base assumptions.
For instance... why do you assume a time bomb? Are there no other ways to detonate a device accurately?
That same over-simple thinking is evident in your understanding of politics. -And please, I am not trying to hurt you with insults. Ignorance is not a crime. That is not my intention in explaining this stuff. -Israel has provided a countless number of affronts, each worthy of universal embargo, and yet the UN security council has done nothing more than offer toothless condemnation, year after year. There are many reasons for this which you are not be taking into account.
The villains get away with this kind of thing regularly, (though, taking down a passenger jet is on the more ostentatious end of the spectrum). But overall, it's really nothing new, and the current system has been groomed to just roll with it. There really wasn't much of a risk of discovery because people don't *want* to discover that which would complicate the official narrative.
Consider some of the forces which are at play but which you have not included in your calculations...
1. Pre-established conditioning. Just look at how hard you are yourself fighting to reject the idea of Israeli involvement. Why? It's not because "Time bombs wouldn't work"; that was a rapidly devised invention introduced to make the unwanted idea go away; it wasn't even a concept beforehand. So.., why not Israel? And further, why seek a "why not Israel" at all? What is your motivation? It's just an idea, and one nobody would have even brought up if it didn't fit the events and the pre-existing pattern. Why does it automatically offend you and others? And how could such an automatic rejection be useful?
2. People in power have their dark secrets, many of them related to child sex rings which penetrate to high levels of global leadership. There are numerous reasons for this, and it is promoted and controlled; a way of criminals keeping each other's secrets safe and everybody under control. The Mossad has had its hands in this pie for a long time, likely because it is such a good way to control the official message. If you introduce that element to your risk assessment, how does that change things?
Those are just two elements, they are very real, (explore them rather than look for more broken time bombs to make the ugliness of it go away). There are numerous other elements at play which one needs to understand in order for reality to make sense.
-And also, bearing in mind that the bomb is just a theory.
It appears that there was indeed evidence of what looks like gunfire aimed at the cockpit. But we don't know anything for certain; all we can do is look at the influences known to exist and extrapolate. At this point, the most reasonable extrapolations based on known evidence and previously reduced extrapolations, puts the possibility of a deliberate Russian BUK missile attack deep into the zone of high improbability.
Truth dies long before planning even starts.
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You can read in Russian here or try to understand Google translation here. The article addresses exactly the same subject - who they are and who is the guy who runs the "organization". And it seems that the "Russian Union of Engineers" is more or less a fake run by a charlatan. The guy also claims to be in top management of whole bunch of other organizations with impressive sounding names. He seems to be related to Russian defense industry though in one way or the other. Which finally leaves you with a very convincing feeling that all this is just a hoax.
If it wasn't a time-bomb what was it? It has to be in the cockpit, so it can't be transmitting signals or it would screw up the pilot's insturments and tip them off. It's 5-6 miles up so it can't be receiving signals passively.
And you still haven't addressed the risk/reward problem. If Israel gets caught Israel dies. Period. Therefore a 2% chance of getting caught is only an acceptable risk if the alternative is a 3% chance of the destruction of the country, and that just wasn't gonna happen no matter how bad the blow-back from Gaza.
I could only hazard guesses as to what sort of bomb and detonation technology is available to the black operations world, but I *very* much doubt it would be limited by such elementary concerns. This isn't the 1950's. Just using the stone-age technology available to regular Walmart shoppers, a bomb maker would have access to things like GPS technology. But this is a really silly debate. And we don't actually know if it would have had to have been in the cockpit. Ukraine is only just now allowing proper inspection of the crash debris, and what evidence there may be is going to be hopelessly polluted at this point. We have very little to go on, and the chances are we are simply not going to get any hard official evidence as to what really happened.
Yes I have. And no they wouldn't.
I'm not going to retread old ground by repeating myself; I've provided enough insight for you to go on at this point. Whether you take it into consideration is up to you. I will leave you with this, however:
Israel has survived so far because it has become expert in manipulating social and political fabrics so that it doesn't matter if it gets caught. They have been caught. Look at the numerous things Israel, or to be more accurate, the Zionist elements within Israel, (wouldn't want to implicate decent people just living there), have pulled and we know they've pulled.
They destroyed a U.S. navel vessel, (the USS Liberty), built a not-so-secret nuclear arsenal that everybody knew about while they were building it, and erected an actual *wall* around a captive population which they enact atrocities upon with impunity. -The latest ground assault which began on the same day as the downing of the passenger jet in question has killed over 2000 civilians, women and children, non-combatants.
Israel has already been 'caught' many times and it has not spelled the "end of Israel", nor will it.
Outing a spy operation isn't going to happen because even smoking gun evidence would not be good enough; too many people are devoted to not seeing. It's the word of conspiracy theorists against the mainstream media and Zionist-aligned politicians in Washington.
-I described conditioning and blackmail before, (which you seem to have ignored), but I did not mention the whole religious angle. The Christian ruling class *needs* Israel intact for their belief system to work.
Added all together, there was very simply never any significant risk of Israel being outed on this operation in any way that matters. The people who know, already know and they are heavily invested in not doing anything about it.