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Doxing Victim Zoe Quinn Launches Online "Anti-harassment Task Force"
AmiMoJo writes: On Friday, developer and doxing victim Zoe Quinn launched an online "anti-harassment task force" toolset, staffed by volunteers familiar with such attacks, to assist victims of a recent swell of "doxing" and "swatting" attacks. The Crash Override site, built by Quinn and game developer Alex Lifschitz, offers free services from "experts in information security, white hat hacking, PR, law enforcement, legal, threat monitoring, and counseling" for "victims of online mob harassment."
They have already managed to preemptively warn at least one victim of a swatting attempt in Enumclaw, Washington. As a result, the police department's head e-mailed the entire department to ask any police sent to the address in question to "knock with your hand, not your boot."
They have already managed to preemptively warn at least one victim of a swatting attempt in Enumclaw, Washington. As a result, the police department's head e-mailed the entire department to ask any police sent to the address in question to "knock with your hand, not your boot."
want to swat her dox?
She personifies grace under pressure.
"the police department's head e-mailed the entire department to ask any police sent to the address in question to "knock with your hand, not your boot."
That sounds like appropriate advice for apprx. all addresses.
Slashdot has been fairly in the bag for the SJWs over the whole #gamergate thing, but this is a bit much. Really, we need be a advertizing platform for pet projects of the SJW crowd now? A "gender equality in tech" story 3 days a week wasn't enough? WTF happened to Slashdot? Broad political clickbait was a bit understandable but this is starting to look like a Gawker site.
We miss you Taco, but it's becoming clear why you left.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
He can use this since he was doxxed as well
The invasion boards that set out to ruin lives
you misspelled "doxxing perpetrator"
Snowden and Manning are heroes.
Chelsea Van Valkenburg is a "video game developer" and internet whore who sleeps with indie developers and video game news journalists behind her (ex) boyfriend's backs in exchange for contest wins and positive media coverage while the mouth breathing masses cheer them on from their bastions of ignorance.
Zoe made posts on her blog tying Robin William's suicide into her publicity campaign. She pointed out how "conflicted" she was about making the post, however, that apparently didn't stop her and she went ahead and did it anyway.
Gamergate's Harassment Patrol has been decrying, detecting, and reporting such behavior for months, no matter which side it came from. Glad to see someone from the anti-GG side finally express willingness to follow their lead (this is an anti-harassment operation and not just a partisan anti-Gamergate PR stunt, right?).
Crash Override being the 2nd version of the task force's site. Version 1 was ZeroCool. Zoe will be running under an admin account named AcidBurn.
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Dead Slashdot owners and editors,
I get it. You think GamerGate is the SS reborn and you support every form of elevating women above men wherever and whenever possible. You are feminism reborn, with a vengeance. Men are pigs and hail the SCUM manifesto.
You may be surprised to hear this, but I absolutely support you having and expressing that opinion. I think each person should say the thing they feel strongly about as frequently and loudly as possible. I would never, ever try to take that voice from you. From the most extreme Marx worshiper to the people who worship the ground Bush II walked on I love they have a voice. It's cliche but I feel it so strongly: I would gladly die to support and defend that voice. Go you! I mean that.
These things said I must admonish the way you go about voicing your opinions. Slashdot is taken as a news source: as the place to gain new insight and understanding of the world. As such choosing and phrasing stories in a politically biased manner does great disservice to your readers and harms your credibility as a place to learn. Newspapers in the past have had this problem too: How to say what should be while honestly reporting on what is? The answer they came up with suited very well, and has become an honored tradition.
That tradition is the editorial column. When you feel a social or political issue is important you can have a separate place to announce your opinion, and it will be given the eyes of every reader who chooses to learn what you have to say. The key word there is choice. When you present these opinions by changing the choice of article and editorializing in the summary, you're trying to take away people's ability to learn facts without political bias.
I still respect you. I still read you. But please. Please. make and maintain an editorial column and choose the stories you publish as news to be pure, unadulterated information about the world around us.
If video games influenced behavior the Pac Man generation would be eating pills and running away from their problems.
I just always suspected Slashdot was Latin for deceased equine beaten.
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Her name is Zoe Quinn. It's not a pseudonym, that's her actual name - she doesn't need to be doxxed. She's not a "victim" of doxxing, we already know who she is. Frikkin' hell, did someone hack her RAMs too? Was her CPU phreaked by 1337 script kiddies?
There was a headline the other day about saying that Sony had been doxxed.
Why is this on /.?
Why trust those who fell victim to such an attack to offer effective advice?
Let's check your world view- can you fathom why folks might be disdainful of social justice warriors?
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be the name of a store, not a government agency.
can you link to a review of DepressionQuest that Zoe got in exchange for sex? No, because that review does not exist. It never happened.
If someone is acting like a coward in the shadows, doxing is putting a flashlight on it. It's the 21st century equivalent of putting someone in stocks/pillory:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stocks
Following in the fine tradition of public shaming: information warfare via doxing is one of the ways by which nice & ethical behavior is enforced in a society where access to monetary & legal resources make some people believe they are above the law.
If you do something so heinous that Anonymous chooses to "dox" you: you probably deserve the harassment.
What follows is an opinion:
The fact that Zoe Quinn is shamelessly trying to leverage her public humiliation for brand endorsement is just further evidence that she deserves every ounce of the "slut-shaming" she received.
Infidelity is almost universally regarded as despicable behavior. People rightfully conclude that someone who engages in the practice has almost zero boundaries in the extent to which they will exploit the trust and emotions of other people for indulgent self-gratifcation and advancement.
Was I the only one who read "Zoe Quinn launched an online 'anti-harassment task force' toilet"? Does that count as precognitive abilities or do I need new glasses?
1. she's not a victim of anything but her own self-created drama and poor choices.
2. by and large, online-feminists are the ones doing the online harassment, censorship, and concern trolling through their friends (and fuck buddies) in various places. Unfortunately, having a powerful human network doesn't imply good morality.
For a known harasser, Chelsea Van Valkenberg's quite odd for wanting to stop something she has practiced often.
Never mind that she's more than happy to see that opponents swatted (like Mike Cernovich) or gagged (like Eron Gjoni) - both cases based on falsified information.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
Can this extend to bosses in the workplace?
Not sure I would exactly call Zoe Quinn a victim, she has behaved almost as badly as they have and when you verbally assault someone it is pretty unreasonable to not expect a similar or even more vicious attack in return.
... So I really don't see why she's in any moral position to judge anyone else that doxxes.
I forget who it was, I think it was a civil rights lawyer from Los Angeles... so we'll hear more about this as that breaks down.
But ol' Zoe has some esplaining to do.
I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.
No, they weren't feminists, and if you saw the "reality show" environment they tried to put together, and the misogyny that went on in it, you'd know that. Zoe had good reason to quit their shindig.
Actually, you don't need to seek out the #GamerGate affair - Like Soviet Internetistan, it finds you.
RIGHT??! Why is that not the standard policy?
Because the police are terrified.
They have to respond to any incident as if it was the worst possible scenario, because if they ever, ever misjudge a situation they would be held responsible for "not doing enough" to stop crime.
They have to respond in the most dickish way possible.
Just ask them.
Ok, she may not have been a great girlfriend for Eron Gjoni, but any actual ruining of his life happened because he wrote up that massive attack article on her and posted it to a bunch of discussion boards that had already been harassing Anita Sarkeesian and other feminists in gaming. Zoe will probably date other people in the future, though perhaps he dissuaded a few potential boyfriends from bothering with her, but anybody would have to be out of their mind to date him, because of how he treats his ex-girlfriends, and if I were in the gaming business (or whatever business he's in now), I'd have more sense than to hire him.
And did your post just make technology look like a more friendly place for half the population to work, or less friendly?
Bill Stewart
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The cover-up didn't work.
The week-long gaming press news blackout and user comment/forum censorship didn't work.
The coordinated, ongoing smear campaign that began with the "Gamers are over" articles hasn't worked.
The doxxing and harassment of pro-GG folks hasn't worked.
The endless train of embarrassingly desperate counter-hashtags hasn't worked.
The Wikipedia and Nightline hit pieces only destroy those outlets' credibility for short-term effect.
Last week PC Gamer became the latest games journalism site to update its ethics policy in the wake of Gamergate, joining IGN, the Escapist, and of course Kotaku/Gawker (though in Gawker's case, they put up more of a fight and the Gamergate pressure to be ethical had to be routed through the FTC). And there are probably more I'm forgetting.
Gamergate also got Brad Wardell (CEO of Stardock) some long-overdue apologies for hit pieces run against him:
https://twitter.com/iamDavidWi... [twitter.com]
http://www.gamepolitics.com/20... [gamepolitics.com]
http://www.zenofdesign.com/in-... [zenofdesign.com]
Ask yourself how much of this you've seen reported in the corrupt media (which at this point, sadly, clearly includes Slashdot). The anti-GG side thrives only in an environment of propaganda and censorship, and evaporates when faced with integrity and transparency. They prove the need for Gamergate every time they write an article based on the assumption that terrorism and child porn^W^W^W^W misogyny and harassment have become the root passwords to the Constitution^W^W journalistic ethics.
Which mean you can break my application and cause me many problems.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
She doxxed herself though. So, will her "task force" help other victims of self-doxxing/self-swatting, or legitimate victims?
Kyle was not at the POTUS speech to Congress.
Had he been there, he would have killed POTUS.
Sad. The millions of United States of America citizens are now rendered to suffer greatly.
If you want people to not associate Gamergate with harassment, you're shooting yourself in the foot by bringing up Gamergate whenever someone talks about harassment.
Try this: link to the /. article that covers the Gamergate scandal without screaming about misogyny and harassment. You can't. And that's because overall, the Slashdot readership doesn't buy the "misogyny and harassment" narrative for one second. The editors quickly discovered that the discussion thread for any article that straightforwardly mentions Gamergate--even if it's one-sided--couldn't be trusted to go the way the editors demand.
For a while, they found limited success by posting articles with the template "misogyny, harassment, threats, misogyny, harassment, threats . . . oh btw Gamergate" (i.e. a br But even that's not working anymore, and the editors' credibility on this issue is shot. Permanently.
Slashdot wants desperately to cover Gamergate, but doesn't want to be honest and up front that it's doing so, and especially that it's taking the pro-corruption side. In the early weeks, they even tried to participate in the blackout, which led to almost every article about gaming at all becoming a Gamergate thread. The editors/ownership knew damn well what they were doing, and it's silly to blame anyone else for the consequences of refusing to cover Gamergate, except with propaganda.
How can anyone stand this woman? Even if we believe her every word we still get: Called by a single person who apparently claimed to represent or be a member of some suicide support group. So she decides to lead a harassment movement again the site and all of its members.
Troll is not a replacement for I disagree.
No wonder Zoe Quinn was linked to the "Enumclaw case" in some way.
Also "a developer" /s
nt
the central allegation of "corrupt media" in GG was a falsehood. the original thing where "zoe quinn slept with some guy from some games mag in order to get a good review" falls flat because the guy never wrote an article about zoe's game! just a lot of hate.
developer? Please go to her shitty website and show me where she held a developer or programmer position?
doxing victim? She re-tweeted a dox and it was a made-up address but never told her followers. She is known to send herself threats & ddos and will then blame others (TFYC, Wizardchan and now GamerGate). This is what we call a professional victim.
Are you Zoe Quinn or her friend ShitLipz? You pathetic person.
I have a theory about the secret agenda of Slashdot editors. It's actually a clever endless loop of business:
1) Slashdot reader is angry (or bored) because of the editors, so he decides to start a blog to bitch about gamergate, feminazis and other hot issues
2) reader goes to the Deals page to buy the $49 Wordpress bundle (93% off!)
3) reader puts link to a Slashdot discussion on his responsive and mobile-ready blog
4) reader's reader clicks (or taps) on the link
5) goto 1
Flawless. It is basically a money printing scheme.
lucm, indeed.
I tried to read that page but this is like listening to teenage girls arguing about who saw that pair of jeans first at wal-mart the week before homecoming. The level of mental confusion and social ineptitude displayed in those messages is mind-blowing.
lucm, indeed.
taunting her "haterz"
I'm getting fed up with the "haterz" thing. It's a self-serving and simplistic conversation stopper, like "homophobic" or "patriarchal".
I don't "hate" Justin Bieber, Zoe Quinn or Jar Jar Binks. I just consider that those persons have nothing of value to contribute and are not helping to improve the signal-to-noise ratio in their respective sphere of influence. I would have to care about them to qualify as a hater.
lucm, indeed.
Will the SJWs get mad at slashdot for "harassing" ZQ by taking down her site? Im sure the slashdot effect, almost equivilent to a DDOS, will not help that site's network capabilities. They got extremely upset at David Packman, when he asked her publicly for an interview.
Kind of hard for Ms. Van Valkenberg to be the victim when she's the one calling for the damage.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
The central allegation no-one made?
"They claim it was for a review but there's no review!" is the oldest of the cover-up's lies. It was for EXPOSURE. And in an article on -50- upcoming Twine games, Depression Quest was
a) the only game sourced for a screenshot, despite being an unattractive text adventure
b) used as inspiration for the title of the article
c) mentioned first
In merely ONE of his several articles mentioning what is frankly a cripplingly unimpressive game even for Twine.
So sure, you can count cheating on someone five different times (constituting rape by your personal definition), isolating them from their friends, inducing panic attacks when they rightly suspect your infidelity, and any of the rest of the abusive acts found in the Zoepost as "not a great girlfriend for Eron", I guess implying that some people LIKE being abused?, but that's not really going to remove Grayson's positive coverage for a dev who has cheating with him, it's not going to have her not sleep with an IGDA staffer who is now in bed with a known harasser's anti-harassment (of her friends, I don't trust her involving "white hat hackers", someone who criticized her is getting doxxed inside 3 months GUARANTEED) initiative, and it's not going to have a reddit mod not delete 15,000+ comments after she made the personal request to censor the discussion by email.
It will still be an ongoing consumer revolt regarding the anti-consumer nature of the gaming press as it stands, including its backroom collusion with Silverstring Media and their ideological partners. A lot of the people watchdogging the press now don't even know who Chelsea is. Keep pushing your genetic fallacy though, it certainly created a temporarily effective smokescreen in the beginning.
I don't normally bother using Slashdot, so forgive my lack of login. ThisIsFrigglish on Reddit, if you'd like to follow up directly.
> because the guy never wrote an article about zoe's game! Yes he did. http://wiki.gamergate.me/index... FFS, he's even in the credits for the game. http://theralphretort.com/zoe-...
The central allegation no-one made?
"They claim it was for a review but there's no review!" is the oldest of the cover-up's lies.
A strangely specific denial, isn't it? It's eerily like all those damage control statements the NSA spewed out in Snowden's wake.
Doxxing is journalism. Is it being done ethically?
If she was at home, and claim she could not return home, that is a clear lie, period. She could have qualified that outlining protection she had; she chose not to. You can spin it all you like but to call it a lie can only be accurate.
You've got a couple of small things wrong. Eron Gjoni never said she slept with a journalist "in order to get a good review". Go and read the post yourself. Even the job Quinn got (from a guy she was having an affair with), Gjoni said she probably would have gotten anyway, and certainly was qualified for.
You're right there's no review involved, but that was never the allegation. You are, however, wrong that there is no article involved. Depression Quest (and Zoe Quinn personally) got lots of positive press from Nathan Grayson.
xkcd is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
One side of gamergate is a bunch of misogynistic neckbeard trolls who are pretending that their strawman of ethics in video gaming journalism is sufficient moral justification for all the hatred, bile and harassment they spew. They simply do not want women in their boys club of gaming and IT. They are completely inept with women and do not understand them. The other side are much of misandrist hipster koolaide hair dyed, plastic horn rimmed glasses, hipster, feminist SJW freaks, who get themselves off by offended by everyone and everything they see. They are more than willing to suspend the first amendment for anyone who disagrees with them, and producing games is a form of free speech. They are completely inept with men and do not understand them.
Both sides have mental issues that need to be addressed. Maybe if each camp gets some therapy they can solve the emotional and socialization problems they have with the opposite sex. It's basically a fight between comic book guy vs future crazy cat lady.
Terms doxing and swatting are slang and have not been around that long. Recommend updating the article to define what these terms mean.
See my comment up thread, since I can't post it twice:
It wasn't a review, it was an article about her involvement in the collapse of a reality TV show:
http://tmi.kotaku.com/the-indie-game-reality-tv-show-that-went-to-hell-1555599284
according to Nathan they didn't start having sex until after the article was published. However that happened while they were on a trip to vegas together that was planned before the article was written.
Take that feminist sensationalism back to Jezebel
if #GG is truly about ethics in journalism, then why isn't nathan grayson the one being doxxed and hated at? he's the one who supposedly broke journalism ethics rules. but instead all the hate is directed at zoe, possibly because #GG is actually about hating women.
please ignore this. posting to undo incorrect moderation.
don't give a fuck
useless heat on the internet is just that
of course, if it bothers you so much you have to take it offline, with harassing calls, doxing, swatting, etc.: yeah, you should probably be in jail
if you can't tell the difference between shit talking on the internet and real life stalking and harassment, you have a serious defect in your social development
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Neither of your links are to a review of Quinn's game. The first one claims there was some kind of link, to the extend that her game was mentioned in a list of 50 that the guy wrote. Not a review or article about her game by any stretch of the imagination.
He stopped even mentioning her after they got together. He did the ethical thing and stopped covering her work. Are you saying that even being friends with a game developer is problematic? Because I have news for you bro, most journalists have some kind of friendly relationship with the people they report on because otherwise it's kinda hard to report on them.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Don't you have laws against wasting Police Time and/or perverting the cause of justice ?
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_...
Ever since Cracked.com stopped posting an article a week on it I'd have almost forgotten that GamerGate was ever a thing.
See subject + this link (no small wonder why) http://slashdot.org/comments.p... just because apk slammed her trolling stalking harassing mouth shut on her stupidities regading hosts files. Barbarahudson ran like the cowardly multiple sockpuppeting trolling harassing stalking online SCUM "it" is http://slashdot.org/comments.p... when challenged fairly after he/she shot their mouth off on hosts files and had to "eat his/her words" for it in a "run, forrest: run!!!" evading facing up to her/his scumbaggery online.
Free. You forgot it was free. It was released free on Steam. Nobody got rich off it.
Mike was never swatted. He made that up.
It's kinda sad to see how many assholes there are on slashdot.
Now you jump from one argument (that the central allegation of "corrupt media" in GG was a falsehood) to an entirely different one, without acknowledging any errors.
I did not even say that gamergate is "truly" about ethics in journalism. Gamergate is about many things, for different people. But the supposed disparity you point out is nothing nefarious about. It's easily explained by the other things people have done - both the things they have done in the past (e.g. having an encyclopedia dramatica track record) and the things they currently are doing.
If you ask me, I think it's far worse for people to have an affair with someone whose career they can make or break (whether they do so or not), than the opposite. But I also think that Zoe is cynical, attention seeking and abusive, from reading the Zoe post and the accounts of people who've worked with her. And it's really alarming that the gaming media circled the wagons to defend someone like that, just because the case made them look bad too.
xkcd is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
While we're on the topic of Grayson's connection to Depression Quest, it's worth also noting that he is personally listed in the credits in the HTML source, having beta-tested for Quinn, and never disclosed this in any of his coverage. Promoting, as a "journalist", something that you worked on without disclosure is a clear breach of ethics in and of itself, even without anything else that's been turned up.
This.
it is the Scarlet Letter. Nobody hates the guy despite being 50% of the problem. Automatically in everybody's head, the evil woman tricked him.
> because the guy never wrote an article about zoe's game!
Yes he did. http://wiki.gamergate.me/index...
FFS, he's even in the credits for the game. http://theralphretort.com/zoe-...
If this is about ethics in game journalism, why isn't GG supporters focusing their attention and criticism on the actual game journalist who actually did the alleged unethical journalism. His role seems to be a side story in most of these discussions, when it is claimed to be the main agenda.
my problem is I can't keep up with all the BS. so many falsehoods and fallacies and anger and hurt flying around, it's like I'm swatting at a swarm of mosquitos.
if #GG is truly about ethics in journalism, then why isn't nathan grayson the one being doxxed and hated at?
Maybe because #GG is not about doxxing, and people doing the doxxing are only using #GG as an excuse, and would have found another excuse to doxx people if #GG didn't exist?
Exposure of a FREE FUCKING GAME! Are you insane? Why do you mouth breathing trolls continue to go after her and not, say, I don't know, Electronic Arts? Oh, I know, because she's a tiny one person operation and she's an ICKY GURL! You're all fucking pathetic. And everyone normal is quite well aware of it.
The price of the game is irrelevant. There are many motiviations besides just short term economic gain. And it has clearly worked in this case as probably millions of people now know her name and what she does, and likely view her in a positive light. Name recognition is a huge deal, just look at the money that major brands pour into advertising and sponsoring stadiums so they can rename it.
Like I've said elsewhere the fact the game is free is irrelevant. There are far more motivations than short term profit. In this case name recognition is probably the biggest pay off. The reason it bothers me is that a writer posing as a journalist clearly sold out his ethics, and was then vociferously defended by his "journalist" peers who should have known better.
The really damning thing for grayson is that he should very clearly have known better. RPS had already had a bit of a bruhah over promoting a game without posting a disclaimer every other sentence saying that some of the staff was directly involved in the game. That instance didn't really bother me because in the original article they did actually acknowledge that they were involved with the game, they just didn't make it obvious enough for some peoples taste. To remedy that any further mention of that game got a big disclaimer. Grayson contributed to Quin's game and was actually included in the credits, which should have prompted him to include some kind of disclaimer any time he wrote about it.
I don't particularly care about Quin, though all of this has helped inform me to avoid her. I think the reason she continues to garner so much attention though is that she seems to revel in it and stir it up at every opportunity. It's not that she's all that different from normal drama queens/kings she just managed to jump into the spotlight and hold it rather effectively.
He never claimed to have been swatted. He claimed two people were encouraging their followers to report him to the police for spurious reasons, and that this was in order to get him SWATted. I'm not convinced of the latter, but the former is certainly true.
Because he wasn't the one to hijack the whole GamerGate movement and try to present it as 'anti-feminist with thin excuse of being anti-corrupt-journalist'.
The movement is random people, attacking 'targets of opportunity', Zoe was just one of the random targets - then she went nuts and - since she couldn't attack a movement with a just case - made up a fake case and presented it as the actual one of the movement.
Imagine you take part in a protest against building a mall over a park in your town. One of the protesters breaks the sign over the head of one of investors of the new mall. Said investor happens to be afroamerican, and a local Black minority activist. Next day you see the investor say to the press "Ku Klux Klan members and neo-nazis protest against Afroamericans' right to start businesses!"
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Cernovich was never swatted. He also sells magic juice purported to give men addictive semen.
What? We've got eyes. This whole thread started with _you_ posting a falsehood.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
"They have already managed to preemptively warn at least one victim of a swatting attempt in Enumclaw, Washington."
Why didn't they try to warn Mike Cernovich when he was about to get swatted? Oh thats right, ZQ and friends actively TRIED to get him swatted.
the central allegation of "corrupt media" in GG was a falsehood. the original thing where "zoe quinn slept with some guy from some games mag in order to get a good review" falls flat because the guy never wrote an article about zoe's game! just a lot of hate.
I don't remember if I finished it or got fed up partway through.
your point is well reasoned, except for the part that makes no sense which is everything. from day one, zoe quinn faced the nastiest of sexual and mysoginistic slurs and threats. it was clearly about gender from day one, long before she "made it an issue" as you say.
following your tortured logic, it's like a group of protesters gathered round a new store to protest it. but when the owner (who is gay) walks out, the protesters start shouting "get outta town, you homo! we don't like your kind here! go back to queersville!" Next day you see the press say "homophobes hurl slurs at gay businessman"
"from day one, zoe quinn faced the nastiest of sexual and mysoginistic slurs and threats."
Could you substantiate this? I mean, specifically, the number (to prove it wasn't isolated incidents) and connection to GamerGate (as in specific instances was actively disproven).
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Now you're repeating exactly what I replied to with comment #48863757. No, it was not a falsehood, because the media rallied around Quinn largely to protect their own nepotistic behinds. Yes, there were no reviews, but that wasn't the allegation. Yes, the guy wrote many articles giving Zoe and the game publicity.
Do you think you're "drawing fire" by persisting to waste people's time or something? In that case, I'd like to inform you I haven't harassed anyone. So Zoe Quinn is going to get exactly as much (or as little) harassment as she otherwise would, regardless of whether you keep up this nonsense.
xkcd is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
No, it was not a falsehood, because the media rallied around Quinn largely to protect their own nepotistic behinds. Yes, there were no reviews, but that wasn't the allegation. Yes, the guy wrote many articles giving Zoe and the game publicity.
Do you think you're "drawing fire" by persisting to waste people's time or something? In that case, I'd like to inform you I haven't harassed anyone. So Zoe Quinn is going to get exactly as much (or as little) harassment as she otherwise would, regardless of whether you keep up this nonsense.
if #GG is truly about ethics in journalism, then why isn't nathan grayson the one being doxxed and hated at? he's the one who supposedly broke journalism ethics rules. but instead all the hate is directed at zoe, possibly because #GG is actually about hating women.
Grayson gets plenty of hate. Along with other men like Arthur Chu, Ian Miles Cheong, and Jonathan McIntosh (the other half of Sarkeesian's Feminist Frequency). McIntosh probably gets more than the rest, because he posts dumb stuff to twitter all the time; he's got his own hashtag, "#FullMcIntosh".
After SWAT and other wanna-bees worked so hard on their door-knock-down techniques?
Toad
A bully running an anti-bullying network, what a GREAT IDEA.
What's next letting the weasels run the hen house?
If I had a dollar for every time I've seen Zoe Quinn BULLY OTHER WOMEN at events and online I'd be rich.
Do you think people aren't seeing that you are just cutting and pasting, without ever responding to anything I write?
Is the joke on me, are you only pretending to be retarded?
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There was nothing remotely unethical about what Grayson did. Despite what you think, simply mentioning a game's existence when you're NOT in a sexual relationship is not unethical. Neither is the fact that he knew her. Many many people know each other in the industry. And again, you coward won't take on EA, or Ubisoft. Just a basically one-woman operation making a tiny FREE game that was meant to draw attention to the problem of depression. Well congratulations. You troglodytes have managed to draw attention to depression AND Zoe Quinn. Far more attention than she ever got in a article listing her game with 49 others on a game blog. You're damn well written her into the history books.
Do you think people aren't seeing that you are just cutting and pasting, without ever responding to anything I write?
Is the joke on me, are you only pretending to be retarded?
my problem is I can't keep up with all the BS. so many falsehoods and fallacies and anger and hurt flying around, it's like I'm swatting at a swarm of mosquitos.
Like I said already, I don't really give a fuck about Quinn one way or the other. Do I think she did something slimey, yes. Was it a breach of any kind of professional ethics on her part, not really. Does she deserve online harrassment, no. I can see your agenda in that 1/3 of my post was about Quinn and that was basically saying I didn't care about what she did, yet you go on and on about me attacking her. You sir, are full of shit and part of the reason why Social Justice Warrior is a pejorative.
Grayson definitely did something unethical. As a writer and ostensibly a journalist for a major online gaming site he is responsible for at least trying to maintain a modicum of objectivity and disclose any conflicts of interest he may have when writing an article. Hell many of the bloggers I follow, who are clearly just expressing their opinions make disclaimers when they offer their opinion on games that have been given to them for promotional purposes. With Grayson it goes beyond that, he was apparently actually involved in the production of the game. And he may or may not have been romantically involved with Quinn by the time he wrote the article, hint you don't have to be porking to be involved or heavily prejudiced.
What Grayson did goes far beyond just mentioning the game. In an article about the 50 best indie twine games, or something like that. He use the name of the game twice, used the name in the title of the article, and specifically called it out as the standout game of the 50. Only a few other games were even mentioned in the body of the article, the rest being relegated to an ordered list with no actual feedback. I don't know how closely you follow non-AAA gaming but that is precisely the kind of advertising that works best for that market. In fact it is probably more effective than writing an article clearly dedicated to reviewing and promoting a game.
I'm sure she's racking in the dough from her FREE GAME.
It isn't always about making a ton of money in the short term. Many people do things that boggle the mind purely out of egotism. Although in this case it can lead to wealth as well. If you had polled gamers here on /. a day before this all started you might have seen a 1% result showing that they knew who Quinn was or had even heard of her before. And you might have gotten as high as 10% for Grayson seeing as how he is a writer for RPS, I doubt it'd be that high, but I'm being generous with my guess.
If you did a poll now I'd bet the results for Quinn would be over 50% at the very least, if not closer to 80%. Grayson would probably only poll around 40% as his name isn't brought up as frequently in all the vitrol. People in the business of selling things know that name recognition is a huge part of increasing sales. You can bet dollars to donuts that whatever either one of them touches from now on will get a lot more attention. Honestly it's a genius move on Quinn's part, even if only a small fraction of people who hear about the whole mess look favorably on her that represents a huge increase in people who know who she is and have a positive view of her.
She sure is milking this, for all its worth!
Which isn't that strange I guess, considering that she's only a game-developer in the broadest, most generous sense of the word.
It sure must be aggravating for the actually talented women working in tech, that Zoe Quinn gets so much attention. Despite ZQ being a relentless hack, whose main claim to fame is allegations of harassment.
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