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A 2-Year-Old Has Become the Youngest Person Ever To Be Cryonically Frozen
merbs writes: After losing a long battle with brain cancer, 2-year-old Matheryn Naovaratpong became the first minor ever to be cryogenically frozen. This article is the story of how a Thai girl was frozen in Bangkok and shipped to Arizona to have her brain preserved in liquid nitrogen, while medical science works on a cure. "Typically we’d move the head from the trunk of the body. We didn't know what their reaction would be from the family, the mortuary, from border officials; this has to go through a number of shipping venues, customs, the TSA and so on. To see a frozen head in a box might have raised a number of red flags. In the U.S. that’s not a big deal, but there, they may not be accustomed."
Was the previous record hold by Ian Solo?
Ok.. I read this..
"To see a frozen head in a box might have raised a number of red flags. In the U.S. that’s not a big deal, but there, they may not be accustomed."
And I think.. what the fuck is wrong with this country???
Here in the US people ship frozen heads around all the time.
I can remember reading several articles which stated that cryonics doesn't work because the freezing process is not perfect - it does not stop decomposition, which older frozen specimens were starting to show. Why do people still spend money on this?
My son was frozen through embryonic cryopreservation.
(I'm not actually equating the difficulty of resuscitation at embryonic stage with that of a live-born human. It's a complete difference in magnitude and difficulty, obviously.)
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Not to be too harsh about it, but presumably, brain cancer ravished her brain, right? Even putting aside that cryogenic freezing is bullshit pseudoscience to begin with, how exactly would finding a cure for brain cancer in the future help someone who already had their brain destroyed by it? That's like giving FDR the polio vaccine and expecting him to walk again.
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PI has a definition already, it is the ratio of a circles circumference to it's diameter.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
Why do people still spend money on this?
It gives them hope. Does it harm you for them to spend their money this way? Sure there are other things they could do that would likely be more beneficial for mankind as a whole, but there are worse things, too.
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After curing the cancer in 25 years, and tthen 275 years later when we figure out how to reanimate frozen brain cells, this kid's going to be like, "What do you mean I'm an orphan?"
Why did they remove the head? It seems to me the lack of a body is what's going to not get you unfrozen in the future, not the cancer. The cure for cancer is probably a whole lot morel likely lthan any time when we can sucessfully graft a head onto a whole new body, or cause the head to grow one.
Then of course there's the whole question of why anyone in the future would even want to go to the expense and effort of defrosting and curing you when there's already too many people in the world, and also a whole lot easier and more pleasurable ways of making more should you want to.
They will declare such cells "corporations" to give them legal personhood
Table-ized A.I.
"To see a frozen head in a box might have raised a number of red flags. In the U.S. that’s not a big deal..."
The point went whizzing over your head, apparently.
There have been legislatures that have attempted to pass bills that would have legally set the definition of pi to a set number (or at least implied it). This happened in Indiana in the late 1800s.
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These kids today, with the frozen heads and the music ...
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Did this have to do with In-Vitro Fertilization?
Heh. There was an episode of House where as an aside, the topic of the over/under age on attempting significant risky medical procedures on children was brought up. House asserted that the age was seven.
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Kids these days can't write DNA code that won't suddenly freeze.
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A cure to having your body, face, and entire skull surgically removed? Good luck with that.
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Yes.
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Yes, he is 4 months old now.
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It's an interesting question, but I think you mean he was born 4 months ago. But since he was frozen as an embryo how old is he really? A couple years?
The headline gets it right, but the summary gets it wrong. Does no-one watch QI around here?
TFS's headline is also a lot better than TFA's:
The Girl Who Would Live Forever
Ugh.
This whole thing strikes me as a little ridiculous, and the fluffy tone of the article really doesn't help.
The core of Einz’s two-year-old being now rests in cryofreeze in Arizona
40% of the "core of her being" (80% of the left hemisphere) had already been destroyed during surgery to treat the caner.
in wait of a cure, and a means to regrow her body.
By which time, unless they get themselves frozen as well, her parents will be long dead. For that matter, her country and her culture (not that she'll remember much of it, having spent most of her tragically short life in hospitals) will probably be long dead as well.
Far more likely, I suspect, is that the technology will never come into being at all, or our current procedures will turn out to be so lacking as to make the attempt impossible in her case.
As harsh as it may sound, and as a non-parent I really have no decent insight into their mindset, I think it might have been best for the parents to say their goodbyes, to grieve properly and learn to do their best to live their lives without their daughter.
And instead of being frozen in a vault somewhere to await a ressurection that may never happen, her brain could instead have been further studied to aid in the fight against this disease in those still living.
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Let it go....
Turn away and slam the door!
I don't care...
I only look human.
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We transferred 2 from two different IVF cycles, so around either 14 months or 17 months.
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They are still working on better chemical cocktails for cryopreservation. We know we can do this with single-celled organisms and there is some evidence it works on organs as well. It might be questionable science, in that you might pay in and never wake up again, but it isn't really junk science.
All science is questionable science. That's what makes science distinct from religion.
It might be a science experiment, but that doesn't make it *medically* sound.
> Does it harm you for them to spend their money this way? Sure there are other things they could do that would likely be more beneficial for mankind as a whole, but there are worse things, too.
Just like fake fortune tellers then?
Or building nuclear bombs. There are worse things they could do: they could *use* them. So it's okay, right?
#reasonfail
My 2 year old was frozen and thawed. She has 5 twins still sitting in the freezer.
Cryonics is basically like any death ritual (cremation, burring, funerals, etc), Its about the (unlikely) hope of some life after death and giving some measure of closure to the living. Sure its extremely unlikely to go anywhere, chances are some bankruptcy, economic collapse or natural disaster is going to destroy the brains/bodies long before technology advances to a point where they can be revived but who cares? If push comes to shove at a minimum we'll have some fairly well preserved bodies/brains in a few decades/centuries for future scientists to study assuming the company goes bankrupt. If we have a major economic collapse these bodies/brains can join a significant portion of humanities other "accomplishments" (fashion, popular culture, modern movies, etc) in decay. And on the long shot maybe these people will give direct witness to the time period in which they lived if it happens to succeed.
It is disrespectful to the child.
Instead of resting in peace in the same tradition as her forefathers, which is how most people prefer to be disposed of, she is condemned to eternal undeadness in a freezing facility like some freak. And not by her own choice. I find this whole industry grotesque and morbid.
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To see a frozen head in a box might have raised a number of red flags.
You're doing it wrong then.
A 2 year old... might be the only frozen human that would stand a chance of adapting to whatever future has the tech to bring her back.
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
You are wrong, and I am not denying anything from my "victims" because I have in fact, never performed an abortion on myself, not on anyone else.
You are an abomination and will probably end up in "the other place" if it exists.
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But has he been unfrozen? I assume so, but only because I know what you're talking about.** A customs official in Thailand might have no clue.
** And because I presume you're not an Evangelical wacko who would refer to a frozen embryo as your son. Not that Evangelicals would actually do that, come to think of it. Which is telling, I think.
You've never known a religious nut who believed that even embryos spontaneously aborted at 4 - 6 weeks are babies. Kind of gross (and disturbing) when I opened the fridge and asked "What is that?"
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It is a set number. It's not an integer, but real numbers are certainly numbers, and pi is a constant in Euclidean geometry.
Not a sentence!
Only in Euclidean geometry. In other geometries (e.g. in lp =/=2 space or in a gravity well if you want something physical) it doesn't hold.
That's what I love about maths: mathmeticians are an imaginitive bunch and capable of dreaming up truly crazy things.
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It has no scientific answer, but in red states a definition of when cells become a person is going to be shoved down our throats.
A government-based decision either way is shoving some answer down someone's throat. The best course of action is to get government out of the answer altogether and let people decide. That means, however, getting government all the way out of the answer, including not forcing people who make one decision pay for the actions of people who decide the other way.
Calling a 4-week old fetus a "baby" is kind of like calling a 4-month old boy a "man". Not really right, not really wrong... but that doesn't really matter anyway, it's not what the debate is about.
What matters is legal personhood. At what point in life does a person begin to have specific rights, and at what point does a person gain legal recognition as a party of civil and criminal actions? That's what it's about... not whether people call the human a "baby".
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Hope is not "a belief that the world has potential energy that can be converted into kinetic energy." That is ridiculous. The belief you stated is just a principle of physics. There is nothing about enlightenment that would contradict knowledge of and application of physics.
You have "refuted" the argument by changing its premises. That isn't a refutation.
Enlightenment is a state of inner peace that takes place in a context of a correct understanding of reality. The "correct understanding of reality" part is fully dependent on a correct understanding of physics. You would like that bit.
The "inner peace" bit involves a distinct absence of emotional perturbation. The idea is to calm the emotions by attaining an objective perspective on reality. Filling your perspective up with imagined ideas about potential futures tends to increase emotional turbulence, rather than decrease it. The joy that can come from positive hope is, on the one hand, fleeting and can lead to greater depression, and on the other hand, entirely based on indulgence in desire.
This does not mean that you never experience joy, nor that you never try to make the world better, or anything absurd like that. It means that you don't make this emotional-and-fantasy-based thought pattern a primary source of joy, nor even your primary cognitive mode.
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Question: What kind of visa does the U.S. government require for a decapitated head? Maybe an "H1-B" for laboratory staff?
Cancer or being just a frozen brain. In a dozen years they could have cured her cancer but putting her brain from a box back into a body is not going to happen any time soon.
A lot of repetitive calculations are much easier on a computer if you use base PI for the math. Convert in, calculate a shitload of data that gets converted back on its way out. :)
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this makes absolutely no sense. her forefathers are not resting in peace they are non existing rot piles in boxes under the ground. "resting in peace" is a falsehood itself we just say it as a weak form of death acceptance.. There is no eternal undeadness in her situation that is any different from the corpse underground except for the remote possibility that someone might be able to revive her someday. And if not, she is just as equally dead as anybody else. Her tissues are simply not rotting away, thats the only difference, she is dead but her deterioration has been halted. Any disrespect is imagined or cultural based invention, but no actual perceivable trauma has occurred. The girl isnt sitting there crying about it and neither are the parents. Who is being harmed and how?
Personhood begins when we decide when it does. Is it arbitrary? Sure, but so is the concept of personhood.
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The problem is, that the Blue State abortion fanatics refuse to establish even a baseline, because they know that once that line is drawn in the sand, it can be argued for movement.
Every single state in the country has established a baseline. None of them allow aborting while in labor when the mother's life isn't in danger. Almost none allow it when close to labor. So-called abortion "fanatics" show themselves to be the exact opposite of fanatics, in that they're happy to draw and re-draw and debate the line and acknowledge that it's a matter of degree rather than a black and white date.
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Considering personhood is a legal concept, it's no more arbitrary than deciding when speech is free or not, when taxes are just or not, when marriage is allowed or not... it depends on whether the law in general has your respect.
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False dichotomy. Uncontrollable situations such as miscarriages are not the same as willful neglect.
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And? The universe has no "concept" of morals or ethics. These are biological constructs that modify the behavior of animals (including humans) depending on circumstances. If the environment changes drastically, so do the morals and ethics - the "norms".
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put their faith in cryogenics instead of religion, it would make some real progress. You are dead either way, why care if people freeze themselves?
Nonsense.
Regardless of religion, all cultures from far back have a concept of peace in death. Death brings peace. Even if peace just means absense of motion. The idea of people being brought back for dead is considered creepy. They are called zombies, exception I guess is the jesus zombie, which was a well publicized parlour trick.
Even atheists care about what happens to their remains.
Some happily give their remains to science, some prefer to get incinerated and sprinkled, others prefer to get buried 6 feet under. I am sure a small minority would be content to be stuck in a freezer instead of incineration of being eaten by worms, but culturally, most humans do not swing that way. Nither do they prefer to be hoistred on a pole and used as a flag, or displayed in a circus side show as a freak.
It might be based entirely on superstition that we need to treat the dead with some respect. In reality, it is the Memory of the dead ones we must treat with respect, and if teh dead one is sent off in a freakish way, that overshadows the other memories of the dead one.
So yes, deep freezing teh girl is a horrible thing to do, and is extremely disrespectful to the girl. Grief can cause people depression, and depressed people can do crazy things, These are mitigating circumstances, but it is still a fact that the girl is being treated with the utmost disrespect.
That you speak otherwise just shows how ignorant you are about the world, humans, and culture. You might think you are being neutral and scientific, but you really are just being pedantic AND ignorant. Science does not exist in a vacuum.
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your entire argument is "because superstition"
there will come a time when people must move forward.
new views, new ideas, new opinions based on new information.
those people need leaders.
you are all such idiots...well, most of you anyway. When I am revived from the dewar hundreds of years from now, I will use the AI computers of that day to find each of your identities and grave, and I will piss on your grave. --a cryonicist
Miscarriages CAN be caused by controllable circumstances. Are we going to investigate every single one to figure out if it was neglect or uncontrollable?
How much do you remember from before the age of 3 or 4?
Not very much NOW ~26 years later, but ask a 3 or 4 year old how much they remember about their life and they can tell you quite a bit.
I'm guessing the parents' hope is that advancements would happen within their lifetime so that they get to continue raising their daughter from where they left off; not so much that their 2 year old has some kind of knowledge or memories that will make her important to the future.
Maybe someday we'll have an UNDERpopulation problem, and all the (then) modern-day people have issues with reproducing; so they bring back people from the past, to mix genes or study why they could reproduce while modern people can't...
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agreed.
i suggest you chop your own head off and send to a cryogenics lab, while it is still functioning, and not cancer-ridden.
maybe you can be thawed out and can be their leader in 2150.
And if you find my comment morbid, we have a circular argument going here.
Fucking moron.
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not even in the same realm of discussion. nice try though