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Woman Behind Pakistan's First Hackathon, Sabeen Mahmud, Shot Dead
An anonymous reader sends word that Sabeen Mahmud, a prominent Pakistani social and human rights activist, has been shot dead. The progressive activist and organizer who ran Pakistan's first-ever hackathon and led a human rights and a peace-focused nonprofit known as The Second Floor (T2F) was shot dead by unidentified gunmen in Karachi. Sabeen Mahmud was leaving the T2F offices with her mother some time after 9pm on Friday evening, reports the Pakistani newspaper Dawn. She was on her way home when she was shot, the paper reports. Her mother also sustained bullet wounds and is currently being treated at a hospital; she is said to be in critical condition.
seems like these gentlemen could teach 4chan a thing or two about dealing with the likes of Anita Sarkeesian.
"They were pure niggers." – Noam Chomsky
I was going to offer my condolences. I was going to say how this was a great loss. I was going to say that the barbarians responsible should be hunted down like the dogs they are. But then I saw the cat pictures.
You think the US is hostile to women in tech?
I hope they find the bastards who did this, but I'm not holding my breath. She seemed like a vibrant, engaging, and intelligent woman. Pakistan will need more people like her to continue the fight against their more regressive, barbaric elements. My condolences to her family and friends.
Irony: Agile development has too much intertia to be abandoned now.
stupid f-ers
The so-called DIY Renaissance that has culminated with the hacker and maker movements are to blame for this tragic death.
People need to realize that they need to leave technology and products well enough alone -- leave it to the professionals and do not attempt to create, modify or circumvent equipment or technology in any way.
The world is much safer when you keep your nose out of things that shouldn't concern you.
Ah, the peaceful religion of Islam, doing what it does. But let's keep talking about the crusades, Obama. That's where the problems are. White Christian males must be obliterated.
Hackers are both assets, and targets.
This is truly a tragic death. I often hear a lot from people in our society (United States) is so aggressive and repressive towards women, which I greatly disagree with. Giving soap operas here about how horrible it is is a disgrace compared to those in places like the middle east, who endure credible death threats and the like everyday. I hope this lady will be remembered, and may her death not be in vain.
that's one less SJW they have to worry about.
But seriously - boiling the idiots responsible in oil isn't enough. Let's hope there's a hell.
You want to start up something useful get a kickstarter to hire these folks body guards.
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
Sabeen Mahmud, Anwar Sadat, Theo van Gogh, Pim Fortuyn, Lee Rigby, people in the World trade Center on 9/11, Copts in Egypt, school children in Pakistan, Christian girls in Nigeria, Yzedis in Iraq, Kurds in Syria.
It's almost as though there were some sort of shared transnational ideology behind all of their attacks.
If only our world leaders could somehow deduce the nature of this ideology, name it, and set about creating plans to fight it...
I'm honestly surprised nobody has commented about how SJWs like her are ruining everything for us poor, beleagured white men. The fight for women's rights is over, you won, didn't you get the memo? Maybe someone should have sent her rape threats, that would have shown her!
Indeed, criticizing Islam is a sure way to get attacked by Social Justice Warriors. Given that Sabeen Mahmud was almost certainly killed by radical Islamists, your comment is nonsensical.
Just how Islam became so sacred to radical feminists is an interesting question...
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"Hypatia (born c. AD 350 – 370; died 415[1][3]) was a Greek mathematician, astronomer, and philosopher in Egypt, then a part of the Byzantine Empire. She was the head of the Neoplatonic school at Alexandria, where she taught philosophy and astronomy."
"One day on the streets of Alexandria, Egypt, in the year 415 or 416, a mob of Christian zealots led by Peter the Lector accosted a woman’s carriage and dragged her from it and into a church, where they stripped her and beat her to death with roofing tiles. They then tore her body apart and burned it. Who was this woman and what was her crime? Hypatia was one of the last great thinkers of ancient Alexandria and one of the first women to study and teach mathematics, astronomy and philosophy. Though she is remembered more for her violent death, her dramatic life is a fascinating lens through which we may view the plight of science in an era of religious and sectarian conflict."
I hate these islamic extremists at least as much as anyone here. But it isn't just islam that is capable of such things.
This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when first he appears as a protector - Plato (423 to 327 BC)
I suspect Islamic religious conservatism was behind this. These cowardly idiots shoot a middle school girl in the head because she blogs. When is Islam going to experience the equivalent of the Enlightenment which softened and matured the Christian world? How long must we wait.
Deuteronomy 22 28-29, hebrew.
Man who rapes girl child (who has not been given to another man) keeps her, pays her father some silver, and doesn't send her away.
Anyone against Deuteronomy, who suggests following another judge/ruler/god is to be killed.
This woman was opposed to child marriage of girls.
She suggested to follow another path.
She is dead.
The only solution to feminism is death.
Choose: kill feminists or lose the right to marry cute young girls forever.
And people wonder why the crusades happened
At least they are not pussies in the west and know how to take care of feminists. Good for them.
if they look in the kitchen they are bound to have another woman there!
Bytch shot dead -- by her own people -- because she thought reason was justice and work love. G*d grant her mercy. Yet, serves her right --- trusting viperous, dog-fyucking MuJad savages that **now** act no better than than rabid rats. And ofcourse Saudi *zzkissing Obama.Hussain and Bantu.Holder.the.bolder invite hords of these folks into the country. We may cut them down now ... butcher them out while we still have the chance. Savage? Indeed no human rights issue exists because no such rights exist. So pick yo' clan palsy, arm, and see to your own welfare.
Though the Islamists seem to be quite good at it these days, Islamic fundamentalists don't hold a monopoly on using selective interpretation from unreliably transcribed ancient texts as a means to justify bad behavior.
Revolution is the opium of the intellectuals.
You guys are so fixed at islamofascists that you do not see other killers. True that chechen muslim fundos do kill people for religious reasons, but that does'nt exclude kremlin sponsored assasinations of dissidents. Same is the case in Pakistan.
Enlightenment is very much dependent on the amount of wealth and education available to the population, and these are in rare supply in the Middle East nowadays as they're not much compatible with bombing of infrastructure and civilians and exploitation by foreign powers. Now, if enlightenment were related to suffering, death and general misery, they'd be far ahead of us already.On the other hand, fanaticism feeds on tragedy and despair so at least they have something to do in their spare time...
I've seen you around a lot. I can't tell if you actually believe this or if you're just a very, very uncreative troll who can't think of anything else to troll with. Either way, when you die, the world will be marginally smarter and more decent.
Enlightenment is very much dependent on the amount of wealth and education available to the population
While true, let's not forget that Saudi Arabia is swimming in money, but is one of the most retrograde regimes in the world, with its educational system ceded to the Wahabi Muslim clerics in exchange for their support in Gulf 1. Women can't drive, and are routinely killed for "honor" crimes (imagined and/or real), imprisoned for being raped, forced to have their rapist's child, etc. etc.
So wealth does not convey enlightenment, nor does education unless the education itself is enlightened. Which is a bit of a catch-22 that christian Europe was in some ways lucky to achieve at all.
If you're waiting for an Islamic enlightenment, you're going to wait a long time. People who believe they already possess all the answers are impossible to enlighten.
This from the country with a government that is constantly aiding and abetting the most archaic and murderous islamic fundamentalism. Who would have thought.
Your fifth point is notably in error. The issue is one of changing norms; you can change the norms of behavior that people expect of themselves and others in part by changing how they think about other people. That's why you dehumanize the enemy in war with names like "Charlie," for example. That means changing the internal narrative that people use when they think about the person or group of people they are interacting with. Popular entertainment--be it television, video gaming, or via other media--is one way to begin influencing the narrative of a large number of people.
Certainly, there is an economic cost to the individual company to optimizing its narrative in part along the dimension of positive norm-building in those circumstances where it is not in keeping with optimization for marketing to the company's target demographic. However, there is also a cost to society to leaving the norms that this fails to challenge in place. That latter cost may result in many wasted lives, in substantial domestic violence, and in similar things generally considered bad today's standards. When the cost to society exceeds the gain to the company, society has a role in encouraging the company to behave differently. The only legitimate reasons we don't mandate that the company behave differently are that it is very hard to measure the cost to society and that the potential for misuse of the power of censorship is significant enough that we don't give that power to government except in the most extreme situations.
Hopefully history is cyclical.
They hate us and want us to die.
Still looking for one...perhaps it's only possible for rats and cockroaches...did we take a wrong turn?
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Those are all lies that they push. It would be better for your kind to simply not watch the news so you're not informed rather than misinformed. They have always hated him for being a great leader and doing so much for the world. They hate anyone that makes the work a better place because it hurts ratings.
Michael Servetus was burned to death by the Catholic Church in in 1553 for daring to argue against the Church's Homoousion Trinitarian formula, as legally voted in by the Council of Nicaea in 325 and supported by the Emperor Constantine. That is less than 1600 years ago.
Enlightenment is very much dependent on the amount of wealth and education available to the population While true, let's not forget that Saudi Arabia is swimming in money, but is one of the most retrograde regimes in the world, with its educational system ceded to the Wahabi Muslim clerics in exchange for their support in Gulf 1. Women can't drive, and are routinely killed for "honor" crimes (imagined and/or real), imprisoned for being raped, forced to have their rapist's child, etc. etc. So wealth does not convey enlightenment, nor does education unless the education itself is enlightened. Which is a bit of a catch-22 that christian Europe was in some ways lucky to achieve at all. If you're waiting for an Islamic enlightenment, you're going to wait a long time. People who believe they already possess all the answers are impossible to enlighten.
Yes, Islamists are racially impure and incapable of being enlightened. That is why over a quarter of the world population are terrorists and backwards people with their thumbs up their asses. They should be more racially pure like our forward thinking societies that have no concept of misogyny, exploitation, and oppression. Sure, sometimes we have to shoot and gas the odd rebel in our society, but that is because they are racially impure. Why can't these lower people think and be more flawless like us?
Sir, where -in the (anonymous') comment you reply to- a racial remark was made, for you to start the (usual) "i am a (probably left-wing) Westerner that will defend Muslims (for Allah knows why!) by describing as a racist someone opposing Islam on the basis of culture, like Muslims/Islam was some kind of a race..."?
Antisthenes: "Wisdom begins by examining the words/names." - excuse my English, i am (slightly...) better with my Greek!
As we have all learned women are being oppressed only by the patriarchal white, christian men in European countries, to challenge this idea is thought rape.
the CIA was behind this, it's their mandate in the arab world
I don't particularly relish quoting Sam Harris all day long, but as it happens he has refuted this fairly convincingly:
1. Why is this level of intensity of religious/political violence mostly confined to parts of the Muslim world? Plenty of places on Earth on war-torn, but petty tribalism and profit-seeking warlords are not quite the same thing as people willing to sacrifice their lives for a transnational, transracial, translingual, transcultural set of beliefs.
1a. Where are the Tibetan suicide bombers? They have suffered worse than the Palestinians and other Middle Eastern Arabs. Possibly their different reaction has something to do with their religion being relatively more peace-oriented?
2. Take a look at the biographies of the 9/11 hijackers and many other Islamic terrorists some time. Poverty is obviously not the cause here. Why is the middle and upper middle class so strongly committed to this cause?
The whole area in the middle east is intolerant to accepting people of different faith, ethnic back ground and culture. They claim to be so holy but offer little as examples of peaceful people. They act like the world is thousand of years in the past. No the US is not perfect and the example of perfect will never be achieved because we are human. This is just another example of how little these people have advanced in hundreds of years.
Where is Femen? And all those other feminist activists who always rally up on the streets in protest when a woman complains that she didn't receive a pretzel the same size as the guy before her?
Yeah, it's a piece of cake and fun to fight for what you think should be your freedom.
If you want to impress me really, fight for those who really do have problems. Problems like getting shot because they speak up.
Until then, your demonstrations are nothing but a steaming pile of egoism, with utter disregard for women like her. You trample on them only to improve your own little bubble of the world.
The whole area in the middle east is intolerant to accepting people of different faith, ethnic back ground and culture. They claim to be so holy but offer little as examples of peaceful people. They act like the world is thousand of years in the past. No the US is not perfect and the example of perfect will never be achieved because we are human. This is just another example of how little these people have advanced in hundreds of years.
That's islam for you
I'm sure you're right that religion plays a role, just as it played a role in what Christians did to others some time ago. I think the main difference between Tibetans and Muslims is that there are fewer Tibetans, their target (China) is a totalitarian state with enormous security apparatus, and they have much, much less money since it's difficult to drill for oil in Tibet. Regarding the biographies of 9/11 hijackers, I've read somewhere that suicide bombers don't avenge the wrongs done to them but rather those done to their community. Really, it's a bit ironic (in a very sad way). Muslim emigrants from war-torn Middle East are rarely welcome in other, wealthy and peaceful muslim countries, so they are forced to come to Europe and USA. There they can live well enough to have the time to start thinking about how much their respective country/city/neighbourhood/family/any other community they identify with has been wronged by the greedy westerners. Some of them, with a bit of religious radicalization, will act on it - against the country which has given them shelter.
Well 18 people were killed (10 burned to death) during the 3-14 riots in Tibet.
My personal belief in the cause of middle east terrorism is the extreme lack of economic freedom. Those countries are all extremely socialist. This includes the lack of secure private property in the occupied Palestinian lands as well.
Hitchens says it best:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=...
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
As a note, the indian thing in the US wasn't an inquisition, it was a land grab. There's a difference.
The Jews are that way all over the world, so singling out the USA is a bit unfair. Today Jews run the country, so there you go.
Blacks were sold and enslaved by other blacks in Africa before they came to the US, and their old gods were obviously pretty pathetic. However, today there's nothing to prevent them from practicing Santeria or whatever they want.
It's hilarious reading all of the trolls and cowards intimidated by a pussy.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
Radical Islam is a real and present danger to the Islamic moderates. Many of the moderates appear to be sleeping at the switch and think that because the radicals frequently target non-Islamic people (and buildings, and culture, and history, and... well everything really), that the radicals are not dangerous to them. At least if they keep their heads down (look up fascist Germany in the 1930's if you're not sure how well acquiescence turns out).
The Islamic radicals are also driving away or killing all the smartest, best educated and most innovative of Muslim societies. In attempting to re-create the Caliphate they have forgotten or corrupted everything that was finest about the original Caliphate. Like tolerance, learning and culture.
No, the US pushed for and funded the illegal immigration into the area (mostly as a move to avoid post-war immigration of European Jews to America).
The British actively fought against it, and were the targets of terrorist attacks in response (see the King David Hotel Bombing, for example).
The US then pressured a desperate Britain to allow things to continue.
In the end Britain, in desperation, turned the problem over to the UN, where the US championed a decision allowing the seeding of modern Israel.
The British still tried to resist this, and were only pushed out under force of arms.
So no, saying the UK created the nation os Israel is, in fact, simple insanity, or more likely an attempt to rewrite history.
Quite Right!
To suffer a modern day Inquisition in the US you had to be a damn dirty Commie! (or suspected of being one by the right people). :) happy shiny times for all!!
However, thats not a religion, right? so its all ok
... this madness is coming to the West - brought in politicians in the political Left who see the demographic decline of the West and need fresh bodies to prop up the Ponzi scheme of the socialist welfare state, as well as reliably voting for more benefits from the native-born citizens.
This country is going to the dogs, and eugenics is the only way to save it.
1) First, you quietly watch to see who the leaders are.
2) Then you anonomously execute the folks who are able to lead a country to something reasonable.
3) Then you ride to power on a promise of elimination of violence.
4)Then you have your way with the place.
This is a truly evil and morally bankrupt plan.
Religion and any form of law that applies to all have little to do with this plan, except as a fig leaf to get to step 4.
The recently published ISIS manual is a textbook example of this.
Folks who think this is a path to a better life should beware.
So, because the most vocal and visible fundamentalist jackasses these days are Protestant, the Catholic church therefore was right all along? Do you realize that this "good idea" you speak of (not letting the common man form his own opinion) involved killing people if they were caught possessing a Bible written in English?
So, um, were the Inquisition and the Crusades glorious examples of Catholic non-fundamentalism keeping home-grown Puritanism at bay? And there is also the tiny matter of those millions of highly influential Catholic fascists in the early to mid 20th century...
It's should be blindingly obvious that the only reason the Catholic church has become more tolerant was because they have been long losing power in the face of both expanding Protestantism and the Enlightenment. It should also be obvious that as disturbing as today's Protestant fundamentalists are, they are not 1/10 as terrifying as the Catholic church was a few hundred years ago.
How does your "personal belief" explain the millionaire Osama bin Laden, the computer programmer "Jihadi John", the hijackers with Ph.D.s who flew jets into the World Trade Center, the millions upon millions of dollars funneled into building rockets and tunnels in Gaza, etc. ?
Let's assume for the sake of argument that the large majority of terrorists are impoverished. It is clear that they are not the ones we really need to worry about. The rich are doing the most damage, and they don't even have to use the poor as pawns in the process--they are quite willing to walk away from their westernized lives of luxury and either blow themselves up or go live in a cave.
As per National Crime Records Bureau (NCRB) just 2% rapists prosecuted/punished by Courts in India;
http://ncrb.gov.in/CD-CII2011/...
http://www.change.org/p/indepe...
Casteism
They don't make religions of peace like they used to.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
How does your "personal belief" explain the millionaire Osama bin Laden, the computer programmer "Jihadi John", the hijackers with Ph.D.s who flew jets into the World Trade Center, the millions upon millions of dollars funneled into building rockets and tunnels in Gaza, etc. ?
It is true that many terrorists are highly educated by the socialist college systems, but unable to be employed because of the lack of industry in the socialist Arab countries.
But you also allude to the large amount of government money spent on AQ/ISIS by Arab socialist governments and of course Hamas by Iran.
You call a guy out for being a hater and then proceed to immediately insult them. Hate much, bro? Furthermore, you specifically called the guy an idiot yet follow up that insightful bit with a huge grammar mistake. Who's an idiot, again? Oh right, they guy sitting here talking about how things aren't that bad in Pakistan and then proceeding to tell people it's not really that bad. So many distractions. And Hell's Angel tattoos? Yeah right. Again, another distraction. You know what you need to provide here.
WHY? Because we're old and don't want to be old, that's why. Pretending that you're aging "gracefully" and you're ok with it is a flat out lie. It bothers us all. Additionally, being clean, looking sharp, and smelling good is part of being civilized. Your points in the other posts are invalid- I don't care that you like hairy legs, wookie bush, and stankin armpits because it's "natural". The whole point of being civilized is to go against nature and master it by demonstrating that we do what we want. We often make fun of Muslims for being stuck in the 12th century because they refuse to catch up with the rest of the world. We'll make fun of you too for it. Now go shave your nappy, food-encrusted face rug, ya goddamned hipster. Put on some fucking deodorant and stop driving your piece of shit recumbent bicycle right in the middle of the fucking highway. I'm not even gonna get started on your girly skinny legged jeans either. Oh and toothpaste-- LEARN IT, LOVE IT.
How about Turkey then? Turkey is a secular Islamic state. You can blame the current situation in the Middle East to the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, which has a similar relation to Turkey as the Soviet Union has to Russia.
After World War I, the European powers, including Britain and France, dismembered the Ottoman Empire. Non-political religious movements were encouraged since they were seen as less of threat than progressive political movements. So instead of fostering a sort of Arab Renaissance, fundamentalist strains of Islam were tolerated so long as they didn't clamor for their own nation-state independent from their European bureaucratic overlords.
In practical terms the Arabs were free to kill each other so long as no Europeans were harmed, and their sectarian conflicts didn't blow up into a full-scale anti-government uprising. Who knows, maybe their Christian overlords actually used them as divide-and-rule tools of state-craft to supress the rise of a united revolutionary front.
Yes, but a Jewish state does exist. I would bet that many Palestinians might disagree that global statistics make Jewish violence irrelevant. Anyway I don't totally disagree, i'm just playing devils advocate.
Ah, so looks like BCGlorfindel found someone to help.
I'm simply pointing our the idiocy in his/her posts. And "oooh, no! A grammatical mistake, we must stop reading at once!", really?
Read the other comments if you want to find that info. Again, it's not a new tactic. You should know better than to assume that such tactics would no longer be uses.
As for hunting down and providing links to everything, sorry but I have a life. I'm not going to hold your hand to find this info. If you're inherently biased there's no point, and if you're not then go look it up yourself. It matters not to me because that isn't the actual point to my posts.
The only reason for my posting is to say "why engage in promoting, typically false, negative views and outlooks? Why not use those energies to find solutions to improve things for others?". So what are you interested in? Just trolling and hating? Or will you be a better person and think of ways to make things better?