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Windows 10 Release Date: July 29th
Ammalgam writes with news that Windows 10 will be released worldwide on July 29th, 2015. It'll be immediately available for PCs and tablets — their announcement doesn't mention smartphones. The upgrade will be free (within one year of launch) for users running legitimate copies of Windows 7 and 8.1. Another reader notes that users of those two operating systems are now being prompted to upgrade by a message in their notification area (system tray).
To make it easy on everyone else: On windows 7 uninstall update - KB3035583 http://microsoft-news.com/how-... You literally have to remove a window update to get rid of it - I love how the update when you install it gave you no indication what it actually was going to do. I seriously hate how updates work with windows. I look forward to the hundreds of stories on how no one wants to move off windows 7, and how windows 7 is still present in huge numbers in the year 2025. I don't understand why Microsoft doesn't realize that I don't want my desktop to look and operate like my phone.
It was odd to see the little "windows" icon in the lower right hand corner of my primary monitor, that if I hovered over it, told me that my "free" windows 10 upgrade would be available "real soon now", and that I should reserve my copy now
Rumor is that all updates/patches will require a subscription to this with only the initial Windows 10 download being free (or at least continued use of it without any updates being free). Anyone else have more accurate info?
But how much does the downgrade cost?
Is it still a confusing fucked up mess to change any option or prefernce?
Good suggestion about removing that update.... But let's face it. Microsoft doesn't really CARE that you don't like their revised GUI. The whole reason they want people on Windows 10 is to get them under an OS platform that's friendly to a subscription-based model.
Yeah, I need a GPO to block this from Win7 computers where users are local Admins. Yeah yeah, they shouldn't be, but some apps they use require elevated privilege.
Life is not for the lazy.
The upgrade will be free for one year after the release. But what after that year? What will it cost? Can I download the upgrade and use it later (after one year) and than still use it for free?
It doesn't have to be like this. All we need to do is make sure we keep talking.
So I see a gushing blog post, trumpeting way too many "touch first" applications, claiming some fancy innovations (which are mostly the app-ification of Windows and which other companies already have), as well as some biometric stuff which sounds annoying and is likely not very secure.
I see nothing in this which would make me "upgrade" from Windows 8.1, and except for the Edge thing, not much of it seems especially innovative to me.
But, you guys download it and test the crap out of it, let the inevitable bugs and security holes get shaken out ... and maybe by next July I'll decide if I'm willing to consider the free upgrade.
I question if this will offer a useful desktop experience, or if they're so focused on mobile that they've lost the plot.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
Beware any even-numbered Windows release. So far all have been failures.
Prove anything by multiplying Huge Number times Tiny Number
Unless the computers are on the road, I'd be using WSUS, SCCM, and other tools to handle all patching. Even if the WSUS server is set to approve all but that one patch.
Does it have WMC? I use this computer as a home theater system.
"Some apps sold separately; vary by market."
Prove anything by multiplying Huge Number times Tiny Number
It's an "alternate" release, so I'll bite and install Windows 10. Historically, pretty much every second release of Windows was worth the effort of installing, with the "in between" release being a total screw up that never got deployed anywhere except for being pre-installed on devices.
Do you know of anyone who voluntarily ran Windows 8? Or paid for it as an upgrade?
I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
While i liked both W8 and W8.1, i still miss the Start Button.
XP worked fine. I put up with Windows 7 at some work sites.
Who cares.
Yeah, I need a GPO to block this from Win7 computers where users are local Admins. Yeah yeah, they shouldn't be, but some apps they use require elevated privilege.
Do your clients not update from a local WSUS server? It isn't available at all there, and would only bee seen if the user clicks the "check Microsoft for updates" link.
Free NSA backdoors for everyone!
is an option to EXIT and get your freaking notifications for something I don't want out of my tray!! No Media Center, no dice.
I dunno, I like to be in control of the situation and this freebie sounds sketchy, do we get to keep the upgrade for offline install?
My history of windows use has always reinforced the idea of "clean install" over upgrade, not sure if that's still true but I imagine it is still the better route.
The price of the Win10 pro is absurd, $250, or $149 for OEM if you can handle your own support *snicker*
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
If you "upgrade" to Windows 10 from say Windows 7 and you dislike Windows 10, can you just re-install Windows 7 using the same install code that you upgraded? My fear is that once you "upgrade" you will not be able to install Windows 7 using that install code because Microsoft will have marked it as "upgraded" and therefore invalid.
I've been holding off buying a new laptop until Windows 10 ships, b/c I don't trust that the free upgrade will go smoothly, e.g. maybe there will be some difference in hw that won't work as well with Windows 10.
BTW Scott Mueller's new HW book is supposed to come out next month, so I'll probably pick that up as well. With Mueller's book, the issue isn't price, it's space - you can't afford to have more than one of them around in your house.
When will Windows start releasing just new UIs? I'm sure most of the OS guts are the same between vista and now anyways...
I don't understand why Microsoft doesn't realize that I don't want my desktop to look and operate like my phone.
So you'll be a fan of Windows 10 then. Oh what you weren't paying attention to the development cycle? The bit where the desktop mode will now be default, the metro menu is gone, the few metro apps that ship with the OS will work within a desktop window?
What is it you're complaining about again? Why not reinstall your "nag icon" and give it a go before you complain that no one understands you.
Heh, yeah, yet another reason why I don't like Windows: the automatic upgrades that always seem to turn up when they are inconvenient and require a reboot. I mean, when I go home, I don't want to leave my PC running, so I have to stay while it does - what, exactly? So, I only start Windows in a VM and I just pull the (virtual) cable.
Apart from that, it is not uncommon to deliberately avoid upgrading, certainly in the UNIX world. Like for example if your business consists in developing software; as vendor you guarantee that your product has been tested on a certain version of the OS and possibly with certain patches. Automatic upgrades are a liability in that situation.
I found it rather amusing, especially the part where they among the listed "benefits" of upgrading is how Windows 10 enables you to "multitask like a master - with the ability to snap up to four things on the screen, at once". I literally lol:ed.
So Windows '10 will be released 5 years late? As far as I remember Windows 95 and 98 were released on time. I guess it didn't help to schedule an OS release in 2010 which in hindsight fell right in the middle of the struggle to get Windows '08 out.
Great, I'll install in July next year when it's out of beta.
FUD, not a single source working for MSFT has said a damned thing about a subscription model, THAT bit of FUD was started by a gossip site "El Reg" IIRC that is known for pulling "facts" out of their ass.
The ONLY thing that has been said is they won't have the old service packs anymore, instead you'll have a point release, like 8 to 8.1. This makes it easier for regular folks to know WTF is going on as its easier to know that X.1 is the current version as all the sites treat it as a separate OS, while nobody talks about "Win 7 SP1" they simply call it Win 7.
But just because some dude at MSFT said "Win 10 is the only version we are working on ATM" the sites jumped to this "last version of Windows EVAR" subscription crap when in reality land the prices have already been leaked and its no different than every other release, you'll have retail and OEM, Home and Pro, its business as usual. I'm sure in a year and a half you'll see retail 10.1, maybe even 10.2, and then you'll see the hypetrain for Windows 11, probably hosted by Spinal Tap, coming to a tech site near you.
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
FUD, not a single source working for MSFT has said a damned thing about a subscription model, THAT bit of FUD was started by a gossip site "El Reg" IIRC that is known for pulling "facts" out of their ass.
The ONLY thing that has been said is they won't have the old service packs anymore, instead you'll have a point release, like 8 to 8.1. This makes it easier for regular folks to know WTF is going on as its easier to know that X.1 is the current version as all the sites treat it as a separate OS, while nobody talks about "Win 7 SP1" they simply call it Win 7.
10.1, 10.2, ... - I get the impression that they have their naming scheme copied from somewhere else... The use of "10" signifies the X in OS X, the X refering to UNIX and BSD. I wonder how Microsoft is going to market this...
Yeah, except for the actual Microsoft employees that have been quoted with retraction about a subscription model for Windows 10. I'm sorry that reality disagrees with you.
How does it all work?
If I install Windows 10 on my personal desktop, with valid key.
Then trash the machine, re-install from a brand new original Windows 10 media DVD. Does the Windows 7 key work for Windows 10?
Even if another user signs in?
Is the Windows 7 key tied to my "Windows account" (they seem to be pushing accounts / logins now.... my Windows 10 test machine I literally login with my Microsoft live account) or what was once called live...
I own at least 3 machines with genuine Windows 7 keys but I administer / work on / help with at least 30. I do NOT want to have 30 unique Windows 10 "accounts" with MS.
So is it literally a flag in the DB "this key is now Windows 10 and Windows 7"?
It appears that domain joined computers are flagged, and the update will not prompt for the upgrade/update notification. This means, you don't have to worry about uninstalling it, as long as everything is joined. Anything not joined, I assume will be a short list of users to contact (preferably none)
Apart from that, it is not uncommon to deliberately avoid upgrading, certainly in the UNIX world.
Well, of course, if it ain't broke why bother fixing it? Especially since "not broke" is kind of a rare condition for Microsoft software? Plenty of people have been burned by upgrading a perfectly good version of the OS to the latest and greatest. With Microsoft, this has definitely been the case of "fool me once, shame on you...Fool me 4, 5, 6 times, shame on me."
If you are not allowed to question your government then the government has answered your question.
There are two tasks under TaskScheduler > Task Scheduler Library > Microsoft > Windows > Application Experience, "Microsoft Compatibility Appraiser" and "ProgramDataUpdater", that will continue to contact telemetry servers even if telemetry is disabled. These tasks run and phone home even if CEIP is opted-out of. Reproduce (on Win7 Pro) by:
1) Opt out of CEIP.
2) Remove patches 3021917, 3035583, and 3022345.
3) Set up your IDS to block/report rundll32.exe overnight, and observe logs.
4) Wait a day or two. You will see (failed, if you've blocked rundll32.exe from talking to the interwebs) DNS lookups to settings.data.microsoft.com and telecommand.telemetry.microsoft.com in both the IDS and in the Event Log.
The two scheduled tasks will continue phone home even if the above mentioned patches are uninstalled. You must manually disable the tasks "Microsoft Compatibility Appraiser" and "ProgramDataUpdater" in order to stop the phoning-home behavior.
Thank you! This answered my original concern. My personal VM that I use to admin machines is not joined to any domain (workgroup stand-alone). That would explain why I got this notification, but yet to hear of anyone on a domain.
I hope it stays that way.
Life is not for the lazy.
I found it rather amusing, especially the part where they among the listed "benefits" of upgrading is how Windows 10 enables you to "multitask like a master - with the ability to snap up to four things on the screen, at once". I literally lol:ed.
Snap? Is that supposed to mean something? As far as multitasking, 4 sounds like a downgrade. I have 25 applications open on my Windows 7 system at this moment in time.
If you are not allowed to question your government then the government has answered your question.
Windows X: We finally moved to UNIX like everyone else.
Never answer an anonymous letter. - Yogi Berra
The last time I upgraded Windows, my scanner wouldn't work due to driver hell. No drivers were available from the manufacturer or MS, and the upgrade wouldn't allow the old drivers because of some bullshit reason. MS does not own my hardware and has no business disabling it. I've since switched to Linux and will never look back.
Why is the onus on me to be FORCED to try it? Why can't I at least say no thanks I'll look at it another time. If I want to update I'll do so, at this time I have no wish to spend any time migrating to a new operating system where I have to migrate and fix everything I'm doing on my system where I don't even have confidence everything I do now will in fact migrate. The update nag to windows 10 does not let you say no! It remains forever until you uninstall it. Windows 10 may be god's gift to man, but if I want to chill in ignorance than let me do so. Why are you so arrogant that you know what's better for me? I can handle that fine, thanks. Maybe I'll love windows 10 but if I don't want it that's also my choice - and that's what you don't seem to understand.
My old Vista HTPC lost its ability to wake from sleep/hibernation by pressing the power button on the official Microsoft remote (and keyboard) because I was stupid enough to leave updates enabled. Learned my lesson then, no Windows machines in the living room. Not that it matters, they have killed Media Center...
These "folks" - Yeah the first OS i've used was in fact win95 - sorry but I'm late generation it seems. The complaint is that I don't want to change my OS if I don't want to, and that should be my choice - plain and simple. You spin your own web and live in the world you can neatly categorize. You say its different, yet don't even realize what different means. Different can mean hundreds of hours reconfiguring and migrating applications. Different means hundreds or thousands of dollars in migration costs. How naive are you to think you know what's best for everyone else?
Yeah, I need a GPO to block this from Win7 computers where users are local Admins. Yeah yeah, they shouldn't be, but some apps they use require elevated privilege.
Most users who need to be admins are software engineers who are the least likely to update the OS. They need admin rights to install and sometimes run dev tool esoterica, the kind of tools that are the first to break in a new OS.
This neglects high liability areas like embedded medical or vehicles or military, where tools must be re-qualified on each new major OS release.
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
I don't understand why Microsoft doesn't realize that I don't want my desktop to look and operate like my phone.
So you'll be a fan of Windows 10 then.
There's more to it than making the screen look like a desktop... Not being a Windows 10 beta-testing type, an honest question or two: have they finally gotten rid of all of the 'admin-by-easter-egg' bullshit (e.g. the Charms Bar)? Is the UI actually usable without a touch-screen, or will that still require a few of the workarounds that Windows 8/8.1/9 did?
Why not reinstall your "nag icon" and give it a go before you complain that no one understands you.
...because in an enterprise environment, that nag icon is a bullshit equivalent to spamming (e.g. wasting folks' time with a sales pitch). No other OS bothers the user with 'OMG update your shit because we need the money!' nags every time someone logs into it.
Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
I can see it now - "WindeX".
You mean they're bringing back Xenix?
Interesting, thanks.
It turns out that I don't have several of those patches installed anyway. Some time ago, I switched my default policy to only applying security updates, ignoring anything else in Windows Update even if Microsoft marks it "important". They have abused that mechanism so many times now to try to install junk that is in no way necessary or in my interests that I simply don't trust them any more and only install non-security updates if I have a specific reason for doing so. So far, this has caused me zero problems (unlike a couple of "important" but non-security updates that originally motivated my change in policy).
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
I still don't really get what 10 is bringing to the table. It seems like such a minor upgrade - skipping two version numbers is such a farce. The video on that page that highlights 10's new features is such a laugh. It flashes to the same start screen like 8 times with a mouse icon just about to click on a microsoft word icon (brace yourselves!). I can tell from the flashy music that this windows 10 experience must be intense, but saw no objective evidence that it does anything new whatsoever.
I actually want to see microsoft do well - I think the Surface is an incredible piece of hardware, and it would be great to see the OS and the app store catch up, but 10 just looks like a skin package for win8.
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Friend, you need to look though that little thing. It's filled with all the special version of inanity you remember from the 90's, delivered to millions and millions of users in the most spammy, clingy, desperate and ironic way ever. If you read that crap with about two brain-cells engaged, it's hilarious in all its vanity, stupidity and arrogance. And it's not even 9:99!
I'm running Win 7 Enterprise on my home desktop....no nagging update for me! Though now I need to hit up /r/Microsoftsoftwareswap to get a Win 7 or Win 8.1 key really cheap so I'm eligible for the upgrade.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." ~Thomas Jefferson
It was far from being ready. And everything they added to Windows 8.1 was a step backwards.
Why the fuck would any sane person want to move to UNIX in 2015? OSX and Linux have had to constantly patch the shitty UNIX architecture for years.
the nag is there with the uninstall option for people like you who care about non cloud apps.
for all the others moving to win10/MS garden is a priority for MS before they loose all market to i&A gardens. quit being selfish and think of the corporations...
for one person that uninstalls it 10 will install it, hate/loveit but go on about their lives giving up any semblance of privacy that PC's provide over devices/apps marketing model.
come on now, the nag is their for non enterprise users. MS expects admins to either not deploy the nag update or limit privileges as per best practice for deployment.
on the other hand a massive post beta test needs to be performed so bugs can be corrected and the non enterprise market is the strategy for that.
simmer down, the nag is for your benefit so the bugs can be fixed on some one else dime.
No its not... it's enterprise supported advertising. Those same users go home at night and will now be more likely to try 10 because they saw it advertised at work.
Why the fuck would any sane person want to move to UNIX in 2015? OSX and Linux have had to constantly patch the shitty UNIX architecture for years.
And Apple has been doing such a bad job of patching that there hasn't been a serious, self-replicating exploit in the wild for OS X in, well, ever.
Seriously, it exists. Not that I actually used it, I basically booted it up once after purchase to be sure it worked (I didn't go through the setup crap), turned it off, upgraded the RAM and immediately put Kubuntu on it (now replaced with Netrunner).
Starter edition - the (rightfully) forgotten Windows 7.
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From TFA(screenshot): "There's also an all- new browser designed to get stuff done online."
Admittedly, getting stuff done online with IE could be painful. Glad they saw the light.
Never let a lack of data get in the way of a good rant.
Click the menu icon in the top left of the upgrade reservation thing, then pick Check your PC. On my VERY new Sony VAIO Flip 15, which came with Windows 8, I get the message "These devices aren't fully compatible with Windows 10" -> Intel(R) HD Graphics Family -> You'll experience problems with your display.
So what does this mean? If I let the upgrade happen on July 29, my screen goes black after that? How can such a new video "card" be unsupported? (It's the built-in display on the Core i7-4500U this thing has). Is it because I also have the Nvidia GeForce GT 735M on here, with that GPU-switching technology (Optimus?) that so many new laptops have now?
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...because in an enterprise environment, that nag icon is a bullshit equivalent to spamming (e.g. wasting folks' time with a sales pitch). No other OS bothers the user with 'OMG update your shit because we need the money!' nags every time someone logs into it.
First off, this is a FREE upgrade; so MS isn't directly benefitting (yet) monetarily from having users upgrade to W10.
Second, when Apple upgraded from Mavericks (10.9) to Yosemite (10.10) (also for Free), I had to beat the "Upgrade" Notifications off with a stick. I can't remember if I finally got annoyed enough to set them to stop (at least you CAN), or if it finally gave up; but there for awhile, it would pop-up a Notification Bubble every 10 minutes or so, telling me "Updates are Available"...
So, I am sad to report that Upgrade-Nagging is unfortunately NOT the exclusive province of Windows, sorry.
Well, then obviously you haven't seen Windows 10. It doesn't make your desktop "look and operate like your phone".
Peter predicted that you would "deliberately forget" creation 2000 years ago...
Could mean. But I upgraded my Windows 7 laptop at work to Windows 10 TP and NOTHING CHANGED. Everything works exactly the same. All my apps work. All my drivers work. It looks the same. It's just a faster version of Windows 7 with bettery battery life with a small tile section on the Start menu.
Peter predicted that you would "deliberately forget" creation 2000 years ago...
Why not reinstall your "nag icon" and give it a go before you complain that no one understands you.
"give it a go" implies he'd be able to back out. my money says that's not an option.
And anyway, why do you care? Why do any of the legions of posters care each time someone posts that they don't like a new Windows that's kinda being forced on them? So what if you are ok with the new thing, and others like things the way they are now. If you yourself don't work for Microsoft, and stand to make a nickel off every new install, why give a shit if people don't want to upgrade for whatever fucking reason? What's this fucking herd mentality? It's just an OS for fuck sakes, from a company with a spotty track record (Win ME, Win Vista, Win Phone, even Win 98 before SE, and XP before SP1).
Yes. The charms bar and all that crap is gone. I hate all that nonsense in Windows 8 and I refuse to use it. I love Windows 10.
Yes. The UI works just like Windows 7. No workarounds are required. It boots to Desktop. I have a Start Menu. I can find everything easily. Hasn't been a problem like Windows 8 was.
Enterprise environments won't see it because: 1. Domain-joined computers will not be nagged. 2. Enterprise users can already upgrade for free whenever they want.
Peter predicted that you would "deliberately forget" creation 2000 years ago...
Yes. Try Windows key + Left and Windows Key + Right. That's snapping applications.
Peter predicted that you would "deliberately forget" creation 2000 years ago...
...because in an enterprise environment, that nag icon is a bullshit equivalent to spamming (e.g. wasting folks' time with a sales pitch). No other OS bothers the user with 'OMG update your shit because we need the money!' nags every time someone logs into it.
and in your grandmother's environment, the nag icon becomes an unexpected upgrade to something very scary and unfamiliar, and early morning phone calls requiring you to help put it back the way it was.
Heh, yeah, yet another reason why I don't like Windows: the automatic upgrades that always seem to turn up when they are inconvenient and require a reboot. I mean, when I go home, I don't want to leave my PC running, so I have to stay while it does - what, exactly? So, I only start Windows in a VM and I just pull the (virtual) cable.
Yeah, I HATE that, too! I shuttle my work laptop back and forth from home every day, and it is MOST inconvenient to have that Update notice come up when I am trying to shutdown and go home!
... and THAT'S IT.
I think MS still thinks that everyone still has a desktop computer, and that it's no problem to just "leave it on" and go home.
So instead, I get to wait while it does a System Restore Point (the majority of the time it takes), then do the install and Reboot (goodbye 30-45 minutes), or "suicide" my laptop by holding the power button, then, the next time I Startup, suffer the bitching and moaning about "Windows was not shut down properly", and then the "Windows needs to Restart" (which pops up when it pleases, and simply HAPPENS if you aren't there to DEFER it, then ANOTHER Reboot (which results in ANOTHER 1/2 hour of virus-scanning), right in the middle of the workday.
OTOH, my OS X laptop does all the downloading of the update in the background, then pops up a Notification to say "Restart to apply the Updates". When *I* deign to Restart, it may spend an additional 30 seconds or so in the grey-screen bootup phase (I assume "applying" the Update) before the Desktop appears (and, unlike Windows, it is "my turn" on OS X after about 10 seconds once the Desktop appears)
The complaint is that I don't want to change my OS if I don't want to, and that should be my choice - plain and simple.
It is your choice... plain and simple...
However, if you wish to remain connected to the Internet, at some point you're going to have to upgrade if you have any sense.
No amount of "safe surfing" is going to make up for the fact that XP is EOL and 7 will be EOL in 2020.
So don't upgrade, keep using whatever you're using, but be mindful of the consequences.
In my experience, most people overrate their own abilities and skills and underrate the threat. I've cleaned too many infected PCs to be ignorant of the threat.
Do your clients not update from a local WSUS server?
Our business currently does not. How many Windows PCs would a small business normally be expected to have in operation before purchasing a Windows Server on which to run WSUS?
Does this require you to create a Microsoft account or otherwise enable spying and calling home because ?
Is there a sane "privacy policy" for the production version of Windows 10?
I'm not trying to be an asshole... "free" frankly scares me.
For this, I'm told you can blame the lazy-ass programmers at Sun, which provided no way for a Java app to check OS versions other than with a string like that.
So instead, I get to wait while it does a System Restore Point (the majority of the time it takes), then do the install and Reboot (goodbye 30-45 minutes), or "suicide" my laptop by holding the power button, then, the next time I Startup, suffer the bitching and moaning about "Windows was not shut down properly", and then the "Windows needs to Restart" (which pops up when it pleases, and simply HAPPENS if you aren't there to DEFER it, then ANOTHER Reboot (which results in ANOTHER 1/2 hour of virus-scanning), right in the middle of the workday.
Or you could just change Windows Update settings so it doesn't do that any more, ever again.
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
that's interesting because my windows update experience is nothing like yours. You know you can go to windows update settings and tell it to act just like your OSX download and notify, download and install, do nothing and let you check/download/install manually.
My windows 7 has been rock solid for years and certainly never forces me to apply updates when I'm not ready to do so.
Clean windows, or window cleaner?
>The whole reason they want people on Windows 10 is to get them under an OS platform that's not fragmented
FTFY
Most linux users don't know this, but the man pages were named after Chuck Norris. Chuck Norris fsck'ing hates noobs!
So instead, I get to wait while it does a System Restore Point (the majority of the time it takes), then do the install and Reboot (goodbye 30-45 minutes), or "suicide" my laptop by holding the power button, then, the next time I Startup, suffer the bitching and moaning about "Windows was not shut down properly", and then the "Windows needs to Restart" (which pops up when it pleases, and simply HAPPENS if you aren't there to DEFER it, then ANOTHER Reboot (which results in ANOTHER 1/2 hour of virus-scanning), right in the middle of the workday.
Or you could just change Windows Update settings so it doesn't do that any more, ever again.
I could; but then I might actually miss-out on a TRULY "critical" update.
http://slashdot.org/story/08/0...
And MF'ers act like they forgot about Dre
Funny, my Windows 7 HTPC still has this ability...
Of course, I'm still not upgrading it to 10, since they killed WMC, even though I don't use it; just want it to be there, in case something changes and I end up wanting it.
My sig can beat up your sig.
The complaint is that I don't want to change my OS if I don't want to, and that should be my choice - plain and simple.
It is your choice... plain and simple...
However, if you wish to remain connected to the Internet, at some point you're going to have to upgrade if you have any sense.
No amount of "safe surfing" is going to make up for the fact that XP is EOL and 7 will be EOL in 2020.
So don't upgrade, keep using whatever you're using, but be mindful of the consequences.
In my experience, most people overrate their own abilities and skills and underrate the threat. I've cleaned too many infected PCs to be ignorant of the threat.
This is freakin' hilarious. With the reasoning you are using obviously the only thing keeping Microsoft afloat is the pc cleaning business. Therefore combating the evil digital bits is the whole basis for the industry which would make sense because the user can be fleeced every imagined upgrade cycle. There must be really good money in creating annoyances for digital distribution. Essentially what you are saying it is only the black hats that are keeping Microsoft in business.
I USE MY CLEAN PC but it is my own creation and comes on a usb stick that will run good ol' DD cleaner. She is faithful and always works here is her address; dd if=/dev/* of=/dev/sda
I have never had any problems with windows trojans or virus software. But I can see how it keeps the Charlestons of the industry in business!
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Most users who need to be admins are software engineers
Or want to configure a new printer.
Or disable/enable a wireless adapter.
Or defrag their hard disk.
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
But do you have to get a Microsoft login like win8? Or can win10 run standalone like win7, just activate then done?
These "folks" - Yeah the first OS i've used was in fact win95 - sorry but I'm late generation it seems.
I'm almost positive I qualified that with "many of", not "all of".
The complaint is that I don't want to change my OS if I don't want to, and that should be my choice - plain and simple.
In fact that is precisely an option you have, one you acknowledged in your original post.
You spin your own web and live in the world you can neatly categorize.
It seems you are the one who is spinning things. You aren't in the group I was mentioning, and you have a straightforward option you just don't want to take, yet you expect pity?
You say its different, yet don't even realize what different means. Different can mean hundreds of hours reconfiguring and migrating applications. Different means hundreds or thousands of dollars in migration costs. How naive are you to think you know what's best for everyone else?
This is a legitimate complaint, one you should have led with. Yet your original complaint was that you had to deal with the horror of removing an update, and that its look-and-feel are somewhat different.
All my liberal friends think I'm a conservative, all my conservative friends think I'm a liberal.
that's interesting because my windows update experience is nothing like yours. You know you can go to windows update settings and tell it to act just like your OSX download and notify, download and install, do nothing and let you check/download/install manually. My windows 7 has been rock solid for years and certainly never forces me to apply updates when I'm not ready to do so.
You're probably right; I am drawn kicking-and-screaming into using Windows for my day-job as an Application Dev., and so tend to bitch about Windows stuff instead of finding out whether I can make it better.
But I never said my W7 install wasn't rock-solid; in fact, it's the first version of Windows I can actually live with.
But I still like OS X better. LOTS better. But that's another thread...
... and 7 will be EOL in 2020.
Then I'll just keep Windows 7 and upgrade to Windows 11 (or whatever) then.
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
Hell, even Resource Monitor (resmon) requires admin just to LOOK at the system state.
Good-bye
Local accounts are still fully supported, MS just does their damn best to hide it.
Good-bye
Win 10's task menu still bugs me a little but they've mostly seem to done the right thing with Win 10.
Runasrob
> suffer the bitching and moaning about "Windows was not shut down properly", and then the "Windows needs to Restart"
You left out the "Windows wants you to use lube next time" and "Windows *really* doesn't like anal - what kind of an OS do you think I am?"
The start menu still uses tile-like buttons, and the windows are "Metro" style. I don't particularly care for the look. The "flat" looks with 16 colors are a step backwards, trendy or not, and I include Apple with this. It looks like some sort of accessibility mode has been enabled for people with poor eyesight.
I've been in favor of every Windows upgrade (aside from ME) since WFW 3.1.
95 gave us a native TCP/IP stack and DirectX. XP looked a little too "Playskool," but the NT kernel tradeoff was so worth it.
Vista was a nice visual upgrade and provided fully-baked 64-bit support. The driver issues were largely overblown and non-issues after a few months anyway. The sidebar was useful for displaying hardware usage. My biggest critique was the price and SKU explosion; the introduction of crippleware at the OS level. Market segmentation might be a good business practice, but insulting knowledgeable customers in the process generally is not. Meanwhile, "Ultimate Extras" proved to be a code name for language packs that were useless to many, many people. Still, these were not criticisms of the core OS itself, just the business practices surrounding it.
Win7 refined the Vista UI and added stability, booted significantly faster, search indexing was improved, and revised UAC (which I had previously disabled) made the feature more acceptable.
Meanwhile I get nothing in Windows 10 other than an interface I don't care for. If XP had been nothing more than a re-skinned Windows 95 with all the same features, I wouldn't have upgraded then either. I'll stick with 7 until they EOL it or introduce a compelling reason to upgrade. I suspect that they've run out of compelling features to add. It would require a sea change in core hardware that we're unlikely to see in the near future -- 128 bit processors, or quantum computing. The feature set of OSes seems to be mature at this point, much like the core controls of vehicles. At this point it's just change for the sake of change, which is a waste of resources.
https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere
How is this FUD?
http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/01/21/the-next-generation-of-windows-windows-10/
This is, after all, from the horse's mouth.
Or there are those of us who don't give a flying fig who is spreading the FUD...we disagree with anyone spreading FUD regardless of the source.
Not everyone is on a particular side of the Microsoft / Linux holy war.
You can't excuse bad behavior by pointing to other people's bad behavior. Most of us learned in kindergarten that "But Johnny was doing it too!" is not a valid excuse.
I don't know, maybe "Apple stole our look so we're stealing their version number"?
"If you do not upgrade with the first year (July 29, 2016), you will have to purchase it."
But what if you don't want Windows 10, and would rather stay with Win 7 ?
At least until Win eleven comes out..
What does that have to do with a subscription model? There is absolutely no mention of a subscription anywhere in that article.
I seriously hate how updates work with windows.
If you hate it now, wait until you see how it works in Windows 10.
When the copyright term is "forever minus a day", live every day like it's the last.
Win 8 doesn't look like Win 7. But guess you failed on looking at anything Win 10 in Desktop mode. It looks and feels like Win 7.
Then do nothing?
Slashdot still doesnâ(TM)t support Unicode after it was added to the HTML standard in 1997.
That has literally never happened. You made that up.
Linux: We finally moved to Systemd like Microsoft.
You also get virtual desktops, Cortana, a new browser (Spartan), and new mail and calendar apps.
Gamingmuseum.com: Give your 3D accelerator a rest.
Heh, yeah, yet another reason why I don't like Windows: the automatic upgrades that always seem to turn up when they are inconvenient and require a reboot
You realize those are configurable right? The default is to let windows take care of itself, but you can configure when and if windows will download and install updates.
Personally, mine is set to download update automatically but I tell it when and what it can install. I never get caught by a random restart. When I tell it install the updates I expect there will be a restart. It just lets me know there are updates out there.
Supporting World Peace Through Nuclear Pacification
Yes, yes, I'm sure you're special, your computer never gets a virus, never has a problem.
Like I said, most people overrate their own abilities. But not you, I'm sure you're special.
The worst attitude in the world is "it won't happen to me".
I suppose you'll be totally safe going back to DOS 5.0. The same logic that says "I don't wanna upgrade, I want to keep my Windows Version XXX forever!" is the same one that people said back then.
You can do that, just like you could have kept Windows XP until April of 2014.
But frankly, Windows 7 was a superior upgrade to XP, while I largely skipped Vista, 7 was worth the upgrade.
So it is with 10. Windows 7 will be just as badly outdated in 2020 as XP was last year. Frankly it is already showing a bit, I've got 8.1 on a few machines and in many ways I prefer it over 7. 10 fixes most of the remaining complaints.
Try again. It's 2015, not 2005. It's simply not the case.
I'm guessing it was a USB driver regression but I never got to the bottom of it. I know the feature was not removed in 7 on purpose but all the drivers in the system have to play ball for it to actually work and I'm guessing MS don't care enough to test the HTPC remote before pushing out updated drivers... The machine was only used to record TV and play music and I use different tools for those tasks now.
The icon has been there for about 12 hours, I think it's too early to call that it will be "there forever". I won't argue that it's not annoying and a bad move for MS to have the icon there in the first place - it is - but it's likely to be triggered to disappear on a certain date, just like it appeared yesterday.
It is when Johnny gets paid to do it
Free? Nothing is ever really free. What's the catch? What's in it for Microsoft?
Virtual desktops are already supported. http://www.howtogeek.com/19596...
None of the other things you mention are inherent features of an OS. Edge (codename Spartan) will almost certainly be available on older OSes. Cortana will probably be tightly integrated, but there's no reason it has to be except to drive adoption. Not impressed.
https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere
Win10 will be even better... home users will have no control of updates... you will take it and like it... bye Windows it's been fun
It's not all or nothing. You can have Windows download the updates but not install them until you give it the okay. Or you can have it just notify you. The little shield will appear in the notification area and won't go away until you've decided what to do about the updates it's offering you.
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
Yes, yes, I'm sure you're special, your computer never gets a virus, never has a problem.
Like I said, most people overrate their own abilities. But not you, I'm sure you're special.
The worst attitude in the world is "it won't happen to me".
I suppose you'll be totally safe going back to DOS 5.0. The same logic that says "I don't wanna upgrade, I want to keep my Windows Version XXX forever!" is the same one that people said back then.
Has nothing to do with windows and has nothing to do with being special. Windows has become a religion so has the belief that it takes specialists to service a computer operating system. And that is the whole point the techs removing virus thing is the biggest scam of all, C cleaner, My Clean PC and all the other garbage that goes on with the Windows ecosystem is a charade. A very lucrative charade but a scam non the less. There is absolutely no reason why Windows 10 cannot easily be made to work well on older equipment. If the Linux kernel along with GNU software can run safely on old gear like my IBM t42 that I am posting this from then the only reason why a scaled down re-release of windows, lets call it windows SPARTAN could not be created for sale by Microsoft for older gear instead of the current methodology.
Not everyone is suckered in by the flash and sparkle smoke and mirrors and scare tactics used by the Windows device snake oil industry!
This message was not sent from an iPhone because Peter Sellers really was a deviated prevert without a dime for the call
The grandparent made the much weaker claim that it was friendly to a subscription model and that they're trying to peddle an OS platform instead of an OS product.
We think of Windows as a Service – in fact, one could reasonably think of Windows in the next couple of years as one of the largest Internet services on the planet.
Everything about Windows 10 – the experiences, delivering it as a service and the free upgrade – means ongoing value to all our customers. The new generation of Windows is a commitment—a commitment to liberate people from technology and enable them to do great things.
Windows 10 will forge a new relationship between us and our customers – consumers, developers and enterprises.
It's a hard stretch to suggest that changing to this is not friendly to a subscription model. The only difference is that they're not charging money for it right now. I would say that it's also pretty clear that it's an OS platform and not an OS product too.
And this is direct from Microsoft, which is partially what my parent was complaining about.
You used the word "apps" in a sentence. Sorry, I can't take you seriously.
Windows 10 starts fast, resumes fast, and comes with more security features than ever.
That right there is why I won't ever install Windows: Even after years of getting beaten over the head about it, Microsoft still considers security to be a feature rather than a requirement. Air conditioning in a car is a feature: you don't need it, but it's nice to have. Security for an internet-connected computer is not a feature, it's a dead set requirement.
I've been in favor of every Windows upgrade (aside from ME) since WFW 3.1.
And then your post stopped at 7. I take it you weren't in favor of 8 or 8.1 ?
Because honestly 8 was one step forward two steps back. There is some compelling in 8. Client Hyper-V, the new task manager, better multi-monitor support, etc. But it was hobbled with some truly unfortunate defaults.
8.1 is a step forward from 8. Or sideways from 7.
And 10 is step forward from 8.1 or 7. Some time in small ways (command prompt now supports Ctr-V hotkey) and in some large ways ... multiple desktop support (yes its something linux has had for a long time but its still new for windows).
And if nothing else windows 10 will receive support and security updates long after Windows 7 is completely EOL. So even if its "nothing more" than windows 7 its still worth getting... at least eventually.
MS haven't said anything about changing to a subscription model and in fact went on record to deny such claims when illiterate people misread their announcement that Windows 10 would be offered as a free upgrade for a period of one year to Windows 7 and Windows 8/8.1 users.
You don't seem to remember that the term "apps" has been common among computer users for decades. Sorry, I can't take you seriously, junior.
You never needed to have a Microsoft login for Windows 8.
I take it you weren't in favor of 8 or 8.1 ?
Right. In my mind, I was replying to a post about not upgrading from 7, so there was no need to address 8. I can see how my post would be confusing.
The new task manager was the only thing I found compelling about 8/8.1. Client Hyper-V is more supra-OS, and it's not necessary to use Win8+ to install a hypervisor. And as mentioned above, multiple desktops have been a part of Windows for a while, though must be enabled through external tools.
I'll upgrade to whatever's current when they EOL 7, but not before.
https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere
That's exactly how my computers are set up to handle the updates. Microsoft can tell me about them, but let me choose which ones, when to download, when to reboot (if necessary).
I've always waited until after everybody else installs the updates on their computers, just so I'll know if one update screws up their system. It has happened before and it will happen again.
But they have been separating their various products that people depend on from Windows, for example you can run Office on pretty much any platform now through a web browser. So then encumbering the OS with subscription costs makes no sense, all those people who just need Office now don't need Windows so the good thing is Microsoft has got to concentrate on making people want Windows.
Because it still looks like shit. I migrated off Windows 3.1 20 years ago
My wife's laptop got hosed when the automatic update started and the battery was very low. I do hope they learn to check on things like unplugged in laptops. Sometimes you need to get some information from a laptop and don't have an outlet handy. I think she might finally join the penguin side after that annoyance.
How naive are you to think you know what's best for everyone else?
While most of what you said is right, how naive are you to think that what you have is the best? People get used to a certain way of doing things regardless if it's arcane or not. The "best" in many regards is not maintaining the status quo. All that does is affect future users in the same negative and expensive way.
My classic example of very recent times is the complaints about Android 5 that the "airplane mode" button was removed from the powerdown menu and moved to the notifications area which controls the rest of the various radios on the device. Some people scream bloody murder, I scratch my head and wonder what the heck airplane mode was doing in the power menu to begin with.
As usual the correct answer is somewhere in the middle of the extremes.
Why is the onus on me to be FORCED to try it?
An icon telling you an update is available is forcing you? Oh you poor oppressed victim.
...because in an enterprise environment
Sorry you lost me there. Why weren't you vetting and controlling the updates and every part of your system in an "enterprise environment".
Interestingly the only computer I've ever used that never notified my about anything ever has been windows machines used in enterprise environments. Oh except those not managed properly.
This is SPARTAN!!!!! *kicks messenger into deep hole*
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
Honestly, post SP1, Vista was not that bad. Of course I am one of six people, planet wide, that had ME running quite stable and well but it came on a PC that was built for ME, so my judgment is obviously clouded and erroneous. However, as there are no SPs any more, I would wait six months before installing 10 as your main OS.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
Give me a motherfucking break! By THOSE STANDARDS there hasn't been a Windows bug since the fricking Melissa worm...but the sane world doesn't go by "self replicating" as the standard for a bug, now do they?
MacDefender, MacGuardian,hell OSX even has the FBI bug so don't give us this "self replicating" bullshit, nobody cares whether the virus that steals their fucking ID or CC info is self replicating or not!
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
Sane Windows (and Linux, etc) users have something like Acronis to ensure you can back up from anything. It is worth the money.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
The only rational complaint that I have about Windows Update is that after you have installed the updates it will nag you until you reboot. I do not want to reboot now, I am doing something. So I just drag it to the edge and bottom where only the slightest amount is visible and ignore it. You used to be able to switch the shutdown command but that does not seem to work quite right with Vista, 7, or 8. I have not tried it in 10. I have beta tested too many Windows OSes. I am old and tired.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
That says more about you than it says about Microsoft. Do not take this as a negative though - it is not meant as such. We are all different, creatures of habit, and with our own needs to fill. What suits you may not suit me and the reverse is almost certainly true given your username. I am a Linux and Windows user. I grew up with UNIX, POSIX, SCO (long before Sun and Oracle), etc... I actually *like* Windows, I like Linux and even Unix too... That is why I use those OSes in various places. I do not like Mac OSX much because I have not used it much. I can live with it but I do not prefer it by any means. I suspect that, with more use, I would like it just as much as I am mostly OS agnostic (I am co-opting that phrase).
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
And if you happen to live in Australia or any of 100+ other countries, you wont even get Cortana.
It is when Johnny gets paid to do it
That's the excuse Linux apologists always used, their view was so warped that in their world nobody could possibly like Windows so therefore the only conclusion was that Microsoft must be paying people to say they liked it.
Even if you do subscribe to that then you're going to use that as an excuse to spread FUD and confuse people?
This is SPARTAN!!!!! *kicks messenger into deep hole*
Sorry Spartan you have lost your EDGE! arff arff arrf ;-)
This message was not sent from an iPhone because Peter Sellers really was a deviated prevert without a dime for the call
Did you really have to ask that question? Really? Really?
"Well what if I do not want to buy a Ford but want to buy a Honda instead?"
Umm... Buy a Honda...
It is okay, I completely mis-read some reply in a thread about music. I was thinking/reading that they were saying that the people making money without producers are the norm and not the exception. I was really confused. I did not notice until today - when someone actually pointed it out and I clicked on 'parent' and re-read it. I felt like an idiot. *sighs* Then again, I am an idiot and I am an insensitive clod.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
Well he certainly has an appropriate name: KRYai
Why don't you just disable automatic updates and do them manually then? You've been able to do that with every single version of Windows that had an update mechanism. Seriously, you Linsux morons will whine and throw tantrums about anything.
Give me a motherfucking break! By THOSE STANDARDS there hasn't been a Windows bug since the fricking Melissa worm...but the sane world doesn't go by "self replicating" as the standard for a bug, now do they?
Because Apple fanboys will continue moving the goalposts. The old mantra was "Macs dont get viruses", even Apple themselves said that. Then they starting getting them and it got changed to "Macs dont get PC viruses", then when more malware started coming out the apologists began this "oh but this malware isn't technically a virus" campaign. Now we're hitting the point where they are sticking their heads in the sand with this "There has never been a Mac botnet because I have never seen a Mac botnet" rubbish. Or this "But it wasnt Apple's fault, their system was compromized by a vulnerability in a 3rd party program".
Any reasonable person can see none of those technicalities matter to end users and to be clear I am not talking about Mac users (of which I am one), I am talking about the fanboys. These fanboys will always move the goalposts in an attempt to absolve responsibility of Apple, they bought into it on this "Macs dont get viruses" premise and will defend it no matter how stupid it makes them look.
The new task manager was the only thing I found compelling about 8/8.1
There really is a lot more there, and 10 adds that much more.
Client Hyper-V is more supra-OS, and it's not necessary to use Win8+ to install a hypervisor.
But you've got to admit its pretty cool to have it bundled with the OS. Its way ahead of virtual PC; and works well with Microsoft Hyper V server. (with or without "Windows Server").
. And as mentioned above, multiple desktops have been a part of Windows for a while, though must be enabled through external tools.
Making it an officially support part of the OS means that
- a lot more people will actually use them
- you can sit down at any computer and they'll be available
- applications developers will actually support them properly because when push comes to shove its fine for your program to not be compatible with some obscure 3rd party power-user shell extension that some random user is saying conflicts with your application - like dialog boxes showing up on the wrong one or some other annoyance. But not working with a core feature of the OS? You'll actually fix it.
As for what else 10 has... DirectX 12. Resizeable (horizontally) command windows; builtin antivirus that is adequate for me, better multi-monitor support, the aforementioend multile desktops, the netflix app... for some people (not me) the xbox app stuff might be pretty compelling too.
I'm not sure I'd pay to upgrade from 7 or 8.1 to 10, but a free upgrade from 7 or 8.1; it makes decent sense.
Or on a new system with a bundled OS, sure I'll take it.
I'm certainly not planning to dig my heels in to stay with 7. And I'm really not sure why you claim you will... at worst you've said there's nothing in you 'must have' .. and ok... I accept that. But you haven't said what it has that you 'must avoid' either. And given it'll be free, and it's at least a slight upgrade, why not?
Mac user: I just bought a new Mac and it's way better and faster than any PC.
PC user: I just found this PC with higher specs for half the price.
Mac user: Yeah but it's not 27.5mm×325mm×227mm like my Mac.
PC user: No, it's 25.3mm×312mm×220mm, so it's even more compact.
Mac user: Then you can't compare it to the Mac because it doesn't have exactly the same dimensions.
PC user: *facepalm* You fucking clueless noob...
I prefer Redo Backup & Recovery. It's free and works very well.
Oops, that link should be http://redobackup.org.
Win7 refined the Vista UI and added stability, booted significantly faster, search indexing was improved, and revised UAC (which I had previously disabled) made the feature more acceptable.
Meanwhile I get nothing in Windows 10 other than an interface I don't care for.
Really? Because going from Windows 7 to Windows 10 you get a new Client Hyper-V, Virtual Desktops, Reworked file-copy routines, reduced memory consumption, integration with tablets and pen devices (I've used pens since Windows XP and it's a godsend), reworked Bluetooth stack, Address Space Randomisation for improved security, a dynamic kernel timer for lower power consumption, as well as the things you like such as booting significantly faster, improved search indexing, and even things you're taken along for the ride like DirectX 12, better system level anti-virus, far better treatment of multimonitors....
Basically if all you're grumbling about is the UI then you have no reason NOT to upgrade to Windows 10, best of all you don't even need Classic Shell installed.
that's interesting because my windows update experience is nothing like yours. You know you can go to windows update settings and tell it to act just like your OSX download and notify, download and install, do nothing and let you check/download/install manually.
Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm not intimately familiar with either), but it seems like the major difference is that:
* mac : can download and install and puts up a reminder to reboot. When you shutdown, the shutdown doesn't take extra long applying the updates - that's done in the boot up part, and usually only takes seconds.
* windows : it's choices are:
1. download and do nothing. When you do install, you'll have to sit through the entire install as well as the lengthy shutdown while it applies stuff.
2. download and install, notify of restart. When you finally shutdown to go home, you're now stuck waiting for a lengthy shutdown (this was the original complaint).
3. don't do anything. Like #1, but you also have to download everything.
4. Some mix of the above, but only for critical stuff, or for everything.
I know that I've experienced the lengthy shutdowns on Windows on many occasions. If you're not seeing that, then you're not applying updates. The GP claimed OSX lacked any lengthy delay on reboot (maybe an additional 10secs on boot). I can vouch for the majority of Linux distros - on the rare occasion that a reboot is needed, it takes no longer than normal (it doesn't rely on some shutdown or startup hooks to complete the installation of various components, except on the very very first boot). That's a pretty significant difference in behavior.
I will save the link and give it a shot. Does it have a boot loader so you can restore from outside the OS and backup from outside the OS (which means you can backup and restore *any* OS)?
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
That was wrong and you should feel bad. Then again, I started it and I got my just desserts. Well played.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
The multiple desktops tool is impressively lightweight while being functional and easy to use, with both a mouse driven interface and shows a preview of other desktops and configurable keyboard shortcuts.
... annnnnnnnnnnnnnd it completely breaks a ton of apps like web browsers and parts of Microsoft Office. Most of the time it ends up such that you can only use an application on one virtual desktop at a time.
It's a toy. Not a Powertoy; just a toy.
You're right of course, Vista did get better... I still don't think it was ever really fixed to the point of 7 however, but if it is all you have, by all means, use it at this point. I'm well aware that 7 is just a tweaked version of Vista with a new name.
Kinda like 8.1 is just 8.0, with some minor tweaks, but they do make a difference. What I find interesting is that 8.1 is not a service pack, it is a "full new version", when you "upgrade", you get a windows.old folder and everything. :)
Meanwhile I get nothing in Windows 10 other than an interface I don't care for. If XP had been nothing more than a re-skinned Windows 95 with all the same features, I wouldn't have upgraded then either. I'll stick with 7 until they EOL it or introduce a compelling reason to upgrade. I suspect that they've run out of compelling features to add. It would require a sea change in core hardware that we're unlikely to see in the near future -- 128 bit processors, or quantum computing. The feature set of OSes seems to be mature at this point, much like the core controls of vehicles. At this point it's just change for the sake of change, which is a waste of resources.
You might thing so, and it may even be true for you... but it sounds like you haven't even tried 8 or 8.1..
8.0 was rough and we didn't deploy it, but 8.1 fixed most of the issues and it is on a majority of our computers now. There are some compelling reasons to consider 8.1 over 7 at this point.
10, even more so. You of course don't have to make the switch, if it does nothing for you, but give it a try, you might find 7 feeling very old very quickly.
I'll upgrade to whatever's current when they EOL 7, but not before.
Fair enough, that is your choice...
Many people running XP said the same thing, but frankly XP was WAY out of date in 2014 when it EOLed.
7 was worth the upgrade, Vista was easily skipped. 8.0 was easily skipped, 8.1 is worth the upgrade in some situations.
10 will be worth it. 7 is getting long in the tooth.
If you honestly run 7 until 2020, it is going to be just as bad as XP was last year.
Everything is still flat and the colors still solid. It is very difficult to impossible to tell what is a border and what is a window control and which window it may belong to.
Why would I want to subject myself to an interface like that when those are the only cues at all as to how to interact with the operating system, minus the command line.
"Someone needs to talk to the tree of liberty about its ghoulish drinking problem." by ohnocitizen
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us...
I quote:
Device Guard requires:
UEFI Secure Boot with 3rd party UEFI CA removed from the UEFI database
Note the part that I bolded.
No more dual booting. The next step in the "destroy all others" is being taken. You will not be able to dual boot, even with the distros that tried to play along with the TPM shenanigans.
If you want control over your computing environment, it is paramount that you not upgrade to Windows 10. "Right to Read" will mostly likely come to pass, but the longer we delay it, the more chances we have to prevent it.
"Someone needs to talk to the tree of liberty about its ghoulish drinking problem." by ohnocitizen
Yes, it's bare metal backup and restore.
Why don't you just disable automatic updates and do them manually then?
Why would I? I already have a better solution: Linux. Still, it pains me when I see colleagues having to deal with this - good, decent people, who deserve better.
You've been able to do that with every single version of Windows that had an update mechanism. Seriously, you Linsux morons will whine and throw tantrums about anything.
Did I "whine and throw tantrums"? I don't think so; you, on the other hand, seem rather unduly affected by my comment.
I USE MY CLEAN PC
You seem to have omitted the usual heartrending back story of how your five kids drowned in a beer barrel, your wife left you for the garbage men and you had become an alcoholic ebola victim..
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
I am one of six people, planet wide, that had ME running quite stable and well
Don't exaggerate.
It was nowhere near as many as six.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Why is the onus on me to be FORCED to try it?
An icon telling you an update is available is forcing you? Oh you poor oppressed victim.
windows is literally hitler
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
And if you happen to live in Australia or any of 100+ other countries, you wont even get Cortana.
So just move to New Zealand. As a bonus, you won't have to worry about man-eating spiders and drop bears ever again.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Not everyone is on a particular side of the Microsoft / Linux holy war.
I think I can hear the sound of pitchforks being sharpened, and smell the torches being lit...
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
At least they are still not using a registry.
Talk about a fucking nightmare. If they do that, then LINUX is dead...
Never answer an anonymous letter. - Yogi Berra
Two words: No Registry.
Oh and a real command line, but that is just preference.
Never answer an anonymous letter. - Yogi Berra
Does your TV have the necessary hardware and software to decode encrypted digital cable signals without having a piece of shit set top box that they charge you a rental fee for?
The cable company charges the subscriber to rent a CableCARD module even if the subscriber is not renting a set-top box.
....until the one year update time is about to run out. I want to see what gotchas MS has slipped into this. If it bricks my dual boot, my freedom from Windows will be complete.
Give me a motherfucking break! By THOSE STANDARDS there hasn't been a Windows bug since the fricking Melissa worm...but the sane world doesn't go by "self replicating" as the standard for a bug, now do they?
MacDefender, MacGuardian,hell OSX even has the FBI bug so don't give us this "self replicating" bullshit, nobody cares whether the virus that steals their fucking ID or CC info is self replicating or not!
Hairyfeet: All I was trying to avoid by using the "Self-Replicating" criteria was the mention of Trojans, which any sane person would agree are a problem for any OS that allows users to install software (i.e., all OSes, including (but not limited to) OS X, Linux and Windows). At least OS X (and now Windows) makes it pretty hard to install stuff as root (Administrator in Windows); but I also understand that that is cold-comfort to the USER who has unwittingly installed malware under their own Account.
MacDefender, MacGuardian, FBI Bug, you name it, they are ALL Trojans. But even by those standards, Wikipedia only lists SEVEN OS X "malwares".
So, essentially, compared with Windows, and even Linux (which has a miniscule marketshare compared with OS X), Macs do not get viruses. Maybe Windows doesn't now, either. But nearly everyone on Slashdot agrees, Trojans aren't viruses, per se. And since OS X has a modicum of "AV" code and anti-malware measures built-in, the need to install cycle-stealing AV packages still seems very minimal.
Because Apple fanboys will continue moving the goalposts.
First off, I am a fan, not a fanboy. Second, I never moved the goalposts. I merely set them, by excluding the NON-virus category "Trojan". And Apple has done about as much as anyone can expect to guard against that, too, with Gatekeeper, the Mac App Store, XProtect, disabled root login, etc.
The old mantra was "Macs dont get viruses",
And so far, they don't. At least not by any generally agreed-upon definition of "virus".
That isn't "moving the goalposts"; that is simply using the term "virus" (as in computer virus) in the agreed-upon manner. Words matter. Definitions matter. Get over it.
I grew up with UNIX, POSIX, SCO (long before Sun and Oracle), etc... I actually *like* Windows, I like Linux and even Unix too...
I have used Windows, through various jobs, since about 1989; so it is not through lack of experience that I revile Windows as much as I do.
;-)
And if you don't particularly like OS X's GUI, take a trip to the most-excellent Terminal app; where you will find your old POSIX friends there waiting, man pages outstretched, ready to do your bidding. You can even load an officially-sanctioned X11 up and use one of those god-forsaken Linux GUIs, like KDE, if you wish!
Yeah, it seems stable enough. I may buy another to play around with at some point/soon. I figure the more I play with it the more I will like it. I am not really all that concerned with any particular OS, they all pretty much work well enough.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
The registry is a far better solution than having thousands of cfg and ini files scattered all across your drives. PowerShell shits all over your primitive command shell.
Try again.
I'd be more concerned with the blue-ringed octopi and bunyips. That's why I won't go to Australia.
You're still whining.
Never buy version X.00 of any software, especially one from Microsoft
Yes, you can "snap" applications to the left or the right side of the screen starting with Windows 7. It's one of the first things I end up disabling though, because it ends up pissing me off when arranging windows far more than I find it useful.
what part of it doesn't fucking go away unless you agree don't you understand?
You had that shit setup perfect man and totally blew it! You didn't connect how X was also the name of Malcom X who is black and Obama is black and also uses OSX to finally point it all right at the Illuminati. You had such potential. Back to the academy, padawan. The Force is weak in this one.
The "flat" looks with 16 colors are a step backwards, trendy or not, and I include Apple with this. It looks like some sort of accessibility mode has been enabled for people with poor eyesight.
The "flat" look has been introduced as an interim step, so that they can provide a nice 3D/bevelled look in a subsequent release. Those new-features bullet-lists aren't going to write themselves, ya know!
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
How come windows has selectable appearances but Microsoft can't supply a "Windows 7" theme for Windows 10?
Meanwhile I get nothing in Windows 10 other than an interface I don't care for.
You get Hololense and Holostudio, built-in 3D printing, a metric crapton of useability and UI improvements, Cortana, Spartan, a leaner base system and significant architectural changes to enable the cross-platform and cross-device nature on W10, as well as the push toward holographic computing.
Did I mention Hololense? I mean, do you honestly not see the utility of augmented reality in the form of a networked, interactive holographic environment? The potential in education, engineering, architecture, art, and so many other fields is just staggering, and a far cry from "I suspect that they've run out of compelling features to add" unless you really have no imagination.
Fair enough, that is your choice...
Many people running XP said the same thing, but frankly XP was WAY out of date in 2014 when it EOLed.
7 was worth the upgrade, Vista was easily skipped. 8.0 was easily skipped, 8.1 is worth the upgrade in some situations.
10 will be worth it. 7 is getting long in the tooth.
If you honestly run 7 until 2020, it is going to be just as bad as XP was last year.
I use windows Media Center daily with a HD-Homerun Prime. Let's see, I can pay my cable company $20/month for 2 boxes plus another $10/month for a DVR "service fee" (as if the box I'm renting that has a HD already in it requires a special "service"), for a total of $30/month -or- I can use my existing HTPC/Xbox360 extender and pay $1.50/month for a cable card, saving me $28.50 (plus tax) a month. I've had the setup for about 3.5 years, saving me about $1150 in fees, so even taking into consideration the cost of the computer, HD Homerun, and network equipment I'm ahead a lot of money - plus I also OWN another computer which also does have value. That's not even taking into consideration additional benefits like recording capacity (2TB in HTPC vs 500GB DVR), the ability to watch TV on *any* PC, plus use a $50 secondhand Xbox 360 as a media extender to replace the need for a second cable box, and the much faster/easier interface of Media Center compared to the TV providers dreadful interface. Yeah, sorry - I'm not looking to lose media center any time soon. If media center or another similarly functioning program is not available I'm simply not going to upgrade. End of story.
I use windows Media Center daily
If media center or another similarly functioning program is not available I'm simply not going to upgrade. End of story.
Sooner or later, you won't have that choice... Media Center is dead, it just is... you can use it for awhile, but there is going to come a point where it is no longer supported/updated/works with whatever your cable company uses...
Microsoft made the choice to move away from it 3 years ago, fighting it is pointless.
As opposed to the .INI files Linux shits all over the place? Oh you can give it fancier names like "config files" but at the end of the day just like the shitty driver model the "*NIX" way of doing things is to pretend the last 40 years never existed.
I can take a single .reg file and simply email it to any Windows user from Win2K on up and it will always work the same way every.single. time., allowing me to change, edit, delete, or repair pretty much anything from the log on to the wallpaper, and do so without having to alter it for kernel version, hardware installed, etc and it all just works without a bit of trouble.....can you say the same? Of course not, which is why "The Hairyfeet Challenge" has lasted 8 years without a single "consumer friendly" distro even coming close to passing...because ultimately Linux is built on 40 years old designs that weren't great to begin with!
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
What part of "That doesn't mean you're fucking forced to try anything" do YOU not understand? It's a tiny, ignorable, icon in your Taskbar. You can even hide it using the "Up" arrow and "Customize" if you're that desperate (I just checked, works fine on my Windows 8.1 tablet, so suck it.)