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Reddit Removes Communities To Address Harassment, Users Respond
New submitter sethstorm writes: As a change to their community management, Reddit administrators have banned multiple communities (known as subreddits) in a bid to remove harassment. In response, users have responded in different ways — some have pointed out the bias of Reddit admins for leaving known harassers alone such as those in the "SRS" subreddit, others have attempted to re-create the banned subreddit "FatPeopleHate", and many have gone to overwhelm Voat (a competitor).
It's like the great fark meltdown of 2007 over there.
In all fairness, can an AC really talk crap about someone that actually logs in and has a record? For all anyone knows you're posting things in support of pedophilia in other threads.
ACs really have no moral or ethical right to criticize people that log in and have a history. What would you have us all do? Everyone be AC? Then who would you talk shit about? That other AC?
On the topic of Reddit... I think it is fine so long as they don't abuse the policy. Reddit did delete some stuff that was critical of Pao for example. So that implies that the place is being filtered for self serving purposes which isn't a good sign.
My biggest beef with reddit though is the Shadow Ban. That is some fucking Orwellian shit.
Imagine being censored so completely that you don't even know you were censored. Imagine publishing a book and checking on the book... and thinking it is there for anyone to get. But you're the only one that sees it.
Its fucking creepy.
Now is it a way of dealing with trolls etc? Sure. But only stupid ones. All the smart trolls know about shadow bans and they'll check for it.
The worst trolls in any case are the determined ones. I had one guy on a forum troll the board for about a year. He was banned about twice a week. He'd just change IP addresses and create a new account.
We eventually dealt with him by mocking and showing we didn't care about what he was doing. He got dispirited after about a month of that and went away. But man... he stuck with it for a long time. He must have been banned a couple hundred times.
I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.
Who said, "The Internet sees censorship as damage and routes around it"? Yes. It's old. You've probably heard it a million times; but it's so apropos.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
There have been a lot of strange things going on for a while at reddit.
Banning people because they mentioned the alleged ponzi scheming of the CEO's husband,
Making a bunch of crappy sub-reddits defaults, removing other (crappy) sub-reddits as defaults.
This just seems to be the tipping point for a lot of people. I don't think most people really actually cared about the ban, but the way it was done and the obvious other sub-reddit targets that were just ignored, or had excuses made for them.
I just looked back at digg.com for the first time in a couple years from when it flamed out heroically on it's 2.0 launch. It's not horrible now, there doesn't appear to be too much drama on their front page. Looks like delicio.us Just a abc/cbs style repost of yesterdays "hot web news"
supposedly people flocked to voat.to so hard they took down the site.
The other thing people seem to be doing is re-enabling adblock on reddit, and voting with their purse strings by not purchasing gold anymore.
Reddit has an outrageously smug user community with a chaotic moderation system. I've been on Slashdot since the 90s, and I can at least say that it's a somewhat sane place to discuss tech-related and nerd-related topics (other than the typical political/religious commentary nonsense). The metamod system alone is a great balance, as is limiting the number of votes and randomizing who gets the votes prevents upvote and downvote brigading. It's pretty rare for factually-incorrect information to get upvoted or factually-correct information buried. Even when mods approve some article that looks like an advertisement, Slashdot users spot it and bring those comments to the top.
I occasionally read Reddit, but I get very frustrated watching completely factual information get downvoted or subreddits banned because it doesn't fit users' or moderators' view of the world. Between this and the Ellen Pao controversy, sites like voat might actually have a chance of doing to reddit what reddit did to digg. In fact, voat is doing the exact same thing to reddit that reddit did to digg when reddit posted the infamous shovel logo to welcome disgruntled digg users by welcoming the "fatpeoplehate" refugees. Oh how fickle the social media world has become...
I used to moderate a couple of forums about a few different video games, sizable at the time but nothing the size of Reddit, for sure. But there were some rigid things about our setup that I liked.
I feel like the backlash (maybe shitstorm is more appropriate) on Reddit is because the users don't feel the admins are playing by a set of rules. They haven't cited any specific rules the banned subreddits were violating, just "harassment" (which they didn't define.) Moreover, the punishment has not been doled out uniformly, with plenty of users pointing out subreddits that also should have been banned if harassment subs are banned.
The judgements being handed down seem, to apparently fucking everyone on Reddit, arbitrary. Like some far off god on Mt. Olympus has suddenly decided mess with people at random.
Maybe I'm just talking out of my ass because I've never had to manage a community the size of Reddit, but this just seems like an admin took offense to something ("got triggered," in the parlance,) and dusted off the ol' banhammer without thinking. I don't know if that's what happened, but that's how it seems, and that sort of abuse of power always triggers (the way the word is really used) a community schism.
This is exactly why we need liberty-minded proponents setting up anonymous mechanisms of communications. Nobody should have the right to censor content online. I don't care who you are. Not even if its a death threat, a bomb threat, or a threat against the president himself. Threats don't kill people people kill people.Yes- words can take a toll, but it's not the same as actual physical abuse. You can get away from online harassment. You can't get away from a school bully. As a gay person I get words can hurt- but a solution is NOT worth the price of censorship. And I'm going to say the worst thing I could because nobody else will: feminists or whoever you are that's crying about nudes being published of you: suck it up. The problem is social, not the person who violated your privacy. Nobody is physically attacking you and if they did it's a social problem- not a communications problem. It's the people physically attacking- not the f'ing words.
All that ever happens from these anti-harassment laws is the government comes in and uses them against people it doesn't like. There are already laws against murder and other other forms of abuse. You don't need another law to tack on to someone whose murdered because they dislike some racial, social, sexual, or other group.
Has Voat been slashdotted?
I have been around here a long time.
I can honestly say that I am dissapointed to see /. post gloating over a row brewing on another community site while at the same time censoring discussion and posts related to the recent and ongoing Sourceforge controversy. Choosing which subs stay and which go is going to upset a small but vocal set of users. They would be stupid not to know this.
In the case of Sourceforge, I think it's much worse to sell out and betry the trust of an entire community. But let's not talk about it!
There's a certain critical mass of dissatisfaction in a user base/community. Until that point the site can be salvaged. It takes more than an unpopular move by admins/community leaders. There has to be BOTH:
I think it can be generalized to other communities but for web sites in particular there has to be enough dissatisfaction to create a feedback loop of angry users being ignored leads to leadership blunders leads to more angry users. When meta-conversation overwhelms normal conversation there's a tipping point. Slashdot has almost been there. coughcoughbetacough But it takes more than that. At the tipping point administration must demonstrate such disregard for the users concerns that a revolt becomes meta-shared knowledge. Many users knowing isn't enough. They need to know that other users know. Only if that happens the site will descend into a digg-esque melt-down and hemorrhage users until admins capitulate or the site collapses.
I don't think Reddit has reached that point. In fact, I think this will serve as a safety valve. Users who strongly value freedom of expression will go to voat and everyone else will stay, and not see as many complaints. Obviously this makes the culture more brittle. Reddit is not in danger now but will lead to other problems down the road.
This is a big step toward Reddit becoming an echo chamber. New users will be less likely to stay and it will create its own cultural feedback loop. Those unwilling to toe the party line will find themselves shunned. Users will pretend to go along, hiding how they really feel, leading to a more intense echo chamber. Soon there will be prescribed viewpoints on almost any topic. Reddit will die then. Not with a bang but with a whimper.
If video games influenced behavior the Pac Man generation would be eating pills and running away from their problems.
I was shadow banned from a science related subeddit that is my professional field (40 years) and whose main posters I would bet a large sum of money couldn't pass a high school science class. I never posted anything unprofessional, but generally unpopular. I didn't really care, just stopped visiting a few months ago, wasn't getting anything out of it I didn't already know and people were more interested in personality cults than anything else.
"people were more interested in personality cults than anything else"
which is exactly why I only post as AC.
I have had a few accounts here, and every time I would manage to offend some group of people somehow and *anything* I posted would immediately get set to "-1". Oddly enough, I have had many AC posts go to "5" over the years.
I don't understand it, so I don't play the game.
The key is to be utterly immune to the opinions of truly stupid people. You have to be. There are too may of them for their opinions to matter. If we weighted each of them as some very low number then multiplied that by how many of them there are... you'd get knocked by consensus every time.
There are a lot of people that think getting people to agree with you means you're right about science or anything factual. They don't grasp that literally one person can contradict an infinite number of people and be right and the infinity can be wrong.
You be confident in yourself and if the twits want to circle jerk each other off that is their loss. They want their echo chambers which means they don't deserve you.
There are better communities. The small ones are often very clicheish. And the big ones have lots of idiots in them. Slashdot for example. But you want a community where you can a moron a moron... and when they get offended you can start pointing and laughing.
Childish? How else are you going to communicate with morons? They don't understand anything else.
Reddit has been a censor's paradise for years. It is why so many companies wanted to move their boards to reddit. Really easy to silence people that say your new product is bullshit/designed by cross eyed kittens. Anywho, the trick is to not take these people more seriously than they deserve to be taken. Which in the case of the truly stupid is not at all.
I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.
Tolerance means everyone gets to say things they like.
Many, many submissions critical of the new selectively-enforced policies were voted up and made it to the front page (and especially r/all). They've now vote-locked subreddits where those posts tend to come from, meaning those subreddits' users can't vote them up any more (nor can they even affect the order of posts in the subreddit itself).
This is blatant, shameful astroturfing by the admins and ownership hide content and opinions before they have a chance to take off. It couldn't be clearer that the reddit regime is afraid not of harrassment, but widespread, popular criticism.
There is generally very little overlap between OC and the constantly reposted tripe that is currently considered censorship worthy.
Supporter of the +1 Over Dramatic mod option. In memory of apk.
fatpeoplehate got shut down for brigading and doxxing, not simple hate
imgur started removing fatpeoplehate images and in response the reddit sub posted pictures of (chubby) imgur staff and a thread topic about harassing them and identifying specific imgur personnel exploded
you can argue about imgur's removal of fatpeoplehate images as censorship, but you cannot call reddit's actions censorship, as removing threats and harassment is not logically the same as censorship
you could say there are double standards if and where other subs have engaged in doxxing in the past, or if and where other subs still do it, but on a smaller scale. but then the solution is to ban those subs as well, not let fatpeoplehate get away with abusive behavior
there are still plenty of repugnant and hateful subs on reddit that are not shut down. because they aren't doxxing
if voat is going to accept brigading and doxxing, then voat is going to get sued and shut down when, not if, someone gets hurt in real life because of ignorant internet hate
reddit did the right thing, as a matter of simple morality, and as a matter of self preservation in the face of legal standards
if you harass and threaten someone specifically, you're not engaging in free speech anymore, and you, and the forum you are doing it on, are culpable for any harm stemming from that. freedom of speech is not limitless. it is no longer free speech when you threaten specific people
any comment or discussion here about censoring hate is inaccurate
any comment or discussion here about preventing harassment and threats is on topic
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
it is no longer free speech when you threaten specific people
Amen. It's a good thing, then, that reddit provided specific evidence of such a threat in their ban announcement . . . oh wait . . .
They created new rules very recently about reddit being a "safe space". This is something that is, of course, extremely vague. What the hell is a "safe space"?
So suddenly some long time subreddits are getting banned for violating that. They are all shitty splaces, but then other shitty places seem to get left alone. As such people are rightly saying "What the fuck?"
Basically the rule is an arbitrary one. They are saying "We can ban you if you say things we don't like." Now its their site, they can do that if they wish, of course, but that is why users are reacting so negatively. It isn't a clear rule that is being consistently applied, rather it is deliberately vague and being targeted in a scattershot fashion.
Your rights end where my feelings begin! Shut it down!
Just do it in the name of feminism and the admins will let everything slide.
The reason I post as AC (despite having an account) is that Slashdot is a pain in the ass to login to.
Huh?
I bookmark the login page and when I click on it I get the login page with my username and password already filled in, courtesy of the password save function in Firefox.
Another click and I'm in. What's so hard about that? It even works when I'm traveling and just dipping in to Slashdot using a tablet.
The worst you can say about them is they're annoying and shrill. They do have a "don't touch the poop" policy, and while this isn't enforced by the admins, it is part of the culture.
a small oligopoly of corporations
That might be a major reason for this crackdown. Reddit has unbelievable traffic and reach, so stuff that earns popularity there gets spread to virtually everywhere and everyone.
It's exposure that marketers (of anything: products, politics, whatever) would kill for. They want to buy their way in, but not if some dirty peasant can tell the truth and (through sheer merit) get voted up and be taken just as seriously (or more seriously) than their bought & paid for message.
So Reddit sees advertisers chomping at the bit to throw money at it, but first Reddit has to demonstrate that it can crush contrary opinions at will.
[citation needed]
Seriously though, why do you need to keep yourself anonymous on a totally different site? Lets see the thread you were banned in so we can determine if you were drunkposting bullshit in a science subreddit or if you were actually right and got banned because circlejerking in a science area.
Also, reddit has a bunch of autobans for really stupid things like doubleposting links. Have you actually contacted a mod and confirmed why you were banned?
"Well kids, you tried your best, and you failed. The lesson is, never try." -Homer Simpson
This is not something about harassment.
Board critical of the neogaf forums was killed and no public notice was given out.
Coontown is still up.
I guess reddit loves to be considered "gnaa" central, right?
I had also have significant experience (PhD researcher) in some narrow topics that are frequently discussed in ask science. I've never been forceful enough to get banned, but I did stop contributing because the 6th grade understanding always trumps the nuanced answers, often in a rather hilariously aggressive way. I see that a lot here as well. Non experts also generally fail to understand the dynamism of their topics. I deal enough with this in the real life, what is the purpose of further subjecting myself to this in an environment where I have nothing to gain?
I am not sure what your issue with posting AC is. There are lots of reasons to post AC. After all, Slashdot has a "popular opinion conformer" known as the mod points, where if you say something that doesn't jive with the Slashdot party line, like failing to criticize the Imperial measurement system, the U.S., Christianity, firearm owners, the NSA, AGW denial, or the US President or parties , you are likely to get karma bombed.
And that affects your visibility in future posts as well. The AC function is pretty important for preventing Slashdot from becoming 1984.
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I was never a user of fat people hate. But i watched it play out overnight.
The way they did it with instant ban. While giving the disingenuous hypocritical bullshit excuses they did.... Just dumb.
Don't the people running reddit know how the internet works? How people work?
Instead of having 'those hateful FPH users' in one contained easily ignored spot. Now they're spread all over and multiplying.
And have the support of most everyone who really hates censorship too.
And all the random users who think they should have been left alone, contained in their own sub.
They've since deleted HUNDREDS of subs that sprang up from the fatpeople users. An ongoing fight they can never 'win'.
It's just so bizarre.
You're allowed to hate and make fun of gays, trans, blacks, asians, jews, women, men. and every other group.
Talk about raping women, little kids, animals. And exchange tips on how to do it.
But oh lord you better not offend some fat people who had to intentionally opt in to your sub!
Seriously. Look at the subs that DIDN'T get banned.
http://www.reddit.com/r/SomeRandomReddit/wiki/sickandweirdsubreddits
Why do those still exist? They've proven they can and will ban a sub for 'reasons'.
I think reddit might be run by morons. Or at least clueless about how people/theinternet works.
I'd say it's days are numbered now. It's jumped the shark. It'll be a geocites in 5 years.
^^ This. Though I would add that one has to be able to take information given by others and be willing to admit when opinion or positions held turn out to be false or incorrect and be willing to incorporate the new information. But mostly, pointing and laughing works.
~The grand unifying truth is that the State's power to change us now exceeds our power to change the State.
They did announce the other banned subs, just not in the text of the main announcement:
fatpeoplehate (150k+ subscribers)
hamplanethatred (3071)
transfags (149)
neofag (1239)
shitniggerssay (219)
If you always read Slashdot while logged in, you probably haven't noticed the problem.
When you click "reply" while not logged in, it opens up a comment block, but doesn't have a login prompt above it, defaulting you to post as AC. In order to log in once you've started replying, you need to open another tab to Slashdot, log in, go back to your comment, and re-preview it before submitting it (I say "open another tab" because if you don't, the page reloads on login and you completely lose your place and need to re-find what you wanted to respond to in the first place).
No, not exactly enduring the trials of Hercules, but entirely representative of why people hate it every time Slashdot decides to re-skin the site - If the single most basic function they have (replying to a thread) doesn't work, what hope do we have for the rest?
Wait, what? You don't believe that the people that go through the effort of creating and maintaining their own forum should have the ability to exercise some control over the content being posted on that forum? The comments they host become a reflection of that site and mold its reputation.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely hate censorship and I think Reddit is doing a great job of tearing itself apart from the inside out. But if you really believe in liberty, then you also have to recognize the liberty of the owners and moderators to shape their content and the liberty of the users to migrate to other forums.
I've found that Reddit's forums in general are moderated quite horribly. It seems that almost everyone there seem to think that the downvote option is meant to be used as the "I disagree with your opinion" button, even though they clearly post that it's not for that purpose.
You end up with a system where everyone who agrees with the groupthink of that particular forum gets rated highly, and any differing opinions get silenced. Basically, it's what would happen to Slashdot if they gave everyone Moderator points including the troll accounts.
On top of the numerous alternatives to Reddit, you can get a VPS for $1 a month if you look hard enough. I'm struggling to see how Reddit's actions to control what's said on their website constitutes censorship in any meaningful definition of that term.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
The key is to be utterly immune to the opinions of truly stupid people.
The problem, of course, is that it is impossible to be immune to the opinions of truly stupid people if they can down-vote each and every one of your posts with no limits. This plus the same with up-votes is where the Reddit circle-jerks come from. Slashdot's system where you get 5 or 15 votes every few weeks only if you're a regular reader works so much better it's like night and day.
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Your post was informative, but damn man, hit the shift key every once in a while.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
It sucks that slashdot lies to me, telling me it is displayng all posts, but I only see the subject line of posts modded to -1 and have to click on them (as I didthe parent post), which loads a new page containing only that thread. So then I have to click the back arrow to return to the rest of the posts.
Why can't slashdot let me see all the posts regardless of moderation, as it promises me in the settings?
That's what happens when early adopters are allowed to cybersquat, or when participation and enthusiasm plus a large degree of echo-chamber dictate policy.
This is nothing new in the electronic medium. I've seen it happen in Newsgroups back when the World Wide Web was still competing with Gopher, I've seen it in domain-name acquisitions, in IRC channel and network management, in mailing lists, in forums, and most recently before Reddit blew up, in Wikipedia. Anywhere that self-important busybodies can reaffirm each other's beliefs and are free to ban others that they disagree with regardless of merit can have this happen.
Hell, I've even seen it happen on bulletin board systems and on Fidonet. There's a throwback for you...
Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
Apparently I've missed something. What precisely got censored?
Today, you win the internets in the "illustrative statement" category for demonstrating to us what's wrong with censorship.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
I was shadow banned from a science related subeddit that is my professional field (40 years) and whose main posters I would bet a large sum of money couldn't pass a high school science class.
So go somewhere that people give two shits about your education when you write, like Everything2. There's a community there of people who support one another. Go write with them, and leave alone the boards known for assholery.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
IMGUR.com has begun aggressively enforcing heretofore unenforced content bans (the non-enforcement of which has grown them into the community they now are). It's apparent this change is motivated by advertisers, as ads-as-content have begun appearing that are immune from the same moderation that regular content is subject to.
IMGUR also hosts the images from Reddit, so there's lots of porn on their servers making it very ironic that they now ban any NSFW content.
FARK.com went through a similar "cleansing" a while back, again motivated by the desire for advertising revenue. I moved to IMGUR as an alternative to FARK.
So if Voat is an alternative to Reddit, what is an IMGUR-like alternative to IMGUR?
"I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it." : Dogbert
Naw, that can't be allowed. It can never be okay to legitimately make others fear for their lives. It can never be okay to call in a bomb threat to a school. That cannot be protected speech, because it cannot be ignored. Merely offensive speech can be ignored, or countered with better speech. But truly threatening speech cannot be ignored, and therefore must be a crime.
But, you really, really have to go all out to say things that are threatening enough to constitute a "true threat." There are lots of boxes you have to check off to make something truly threatening, and not merely offensive, or hyperbole, and the courts have done a good job of telling the difference (the current insanity with Reason commentators not withstanding).
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
And I'm going to say the worst thing I could because nobody else will: feminists or whoever you are that's crying about nudes being published of you: suck it up. The problem is social, not the person who violated your privacy. Nobody is physically attacking you and if they did it's a social problem- not a communications problem. It's the people physically attacking- not the f'ing words.
Careful with that one there, buddy. Saying "the problem is social" exacerbates an existing problem; that being, you can label someone to be part of a group (let's say "witches") and it's a shortcut used to bypass individual judgment ("Burn the heretic! Damn the lack of evidence!").
I'm a firm believer in personal responsibility. Prove that I, me, this person writing the post, did something wrong. Do not attempt to make me look guilty by association with a group you can tie me to, however loosely. It's intellectually dishonest, at a minimum.
All that ever happens from these anti-harassment laws is the government comes in and uses them against people it doesn't like. There are already laws against murder and other other forms of abuse. You don't need another law to tack on to someone whose murdered because they dislike some racial, social, sexual, or other group.
Now this I agree with.
Some people don't believe in fairies. I don't believe in The Patriarchy.
At the top of the comment section, there are two sliders. The left slider is which posts are fully expanded, the right slider is which posts are completely hidden. You have to slide them both fully right if you want to see all posts.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
The sliders above the comment section.
Move them.
CLI paste? paste.pr0.tips!
I kind of wish Slashdot has Reddit's threading features, where you'd be notified when replies were made. I think it encourages active discussion.
You do realize that you can get email for replies, right? It's in the account settings.
CLI paste? paste.pr0.tips!
They banned fatpeople hate but these subreddits still exist: (And I'm not directly linking to them for your own safety)
Then if you want to talk about specific hate speech there is /r/CoonTown and a few anti-Semite ones.
I am not immune to leaving dbag comments when annoyed, sorry.
No, no you are not immune ;)
(okay, neither am I, but that's not why I posted, so let me get to that...)
Also, the moderation system which prohibits commenting and moderating in the same story guarantees reduction in quality.
I believe that's a rule which is put in place as a balance, to prevent someone with mod points unduly influencing an argument in which he or she is an active participant. Sure, 5 points doesn't go very far, but in the right places one could definitely put influence and pressure in a sub-thread against whomever you are crossing mental swords with.
Personally, I don't mind it at all, as it does something I find enjoyable as a challenge: do you mod, or do you jump in and clarify? It forces you to think carefully about whether or not what you want to say is worth undoing the influence you placed into the thread. If you haven't modded *or* posted anything yet, you again have that bit of decision-making to do before you apply a mod anywhere... you get one or the other, your pick.
It's a neat way to force you to pre-consider a course of action, which IMHO is something that most of the Internet has a severe lack of.
Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
Speaking as a different AC who has always posted here as AC, while I support your view that posts should be evaluated for what they say rather than who says it, attacking people personally doesn't serve any purpose and kind of undermines your point.
So, good point, bad implementation. I also agree with Karmashock that you have to let stupid people have their opinions and ignore them rather than let them get under your skin too much. You have to be willing to toss your comment into the wind and see what happens to it, even if it is beseiged by idiocy you think you know is wrong. It's actually pretty funny to have first-hand professional experience in a research topic, make a comment, and then see it downvoted to hell because it isn't what people want to hear. [Shrug] You have to be willing to toss up your hands and say "Well, I tried. Their loss." Especially for scientists, we have to be willing to step out and "speak truth to power", even if that power is just a bunch of basement dwellers in an obscure subreddit with their mouse cursor hovering over the upvote/downvote buttons.
Honestly, that's one of the benefits of AC here: you don't even think about the moderation implications, because you have no identity or moderation points. The post has to stand on its own. It's also a downside in that you may not get noticed, but I've seen enough +5 Insightfuls over the years, and even some +5 Funnies, to know that people do read the ACs from time to time and throw mod points at them when they make a good point.
Yeah, it's frustrating to be operating in a potentially moderation-enforced echo chamber, but I think you underestimate the potential for getting through to people despite that if you are patient enough. The shadowbans on reddit are a pretty nefarious thing that might interfere, but for the sake of excluding bots they are useful, and as a non-bot you can always ask about the possibility it's a factor and fix the problem.
Nothing personal, but I have a distaste for posts like this one that begin to dissect the legal meaning of the word censorship whenever it's brought up, when it clearly has uses outside of a legal context. Otherwise, self-censorship wouldn't be a thing.
Users are being muzzled on a site that was founded upon, took pride in, and apparently still advertises itself as protecting free discussion. Reddit is now trying to reshape the community that made it what it is, all the while claiming to be serving them. I don't care much for buzzwords like SJW or MRA that get thrown around so carelessly on social sites or the conspiracy theories those people hatch, but this is undeniably censorship through displacement. The prevailing culture, if you could call it that, on these sites are being eroded.
I believe that's a rule which is put in place as a balance, to prevent someone with mod points unduly influencing an argument in which he or she is an active participant.
I believe it is simple incompetence. That goal would be better-solved by simply not letting people moderate threads in which they have participated, as distinguished from discussions. However, everyone knows that slashcode is already shit. That would probably be hard. So they didn't do it.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Oh noes, an integer in a database, on a site that is bordering on the irrelevant anyway. I certainly see how accidentally losing karma could completely destroy lives here. Sheesh.
Your logical fallacy is attacking a straw man, since I didn't say anything about that. My comment was on the quality of the moderation system, not on the resulting effects to people's lives.
Same here, and for some reason I've been at Karma: Excellent for years; high UID and questionable username notwithstanding.
Yes, so have I, with the exception of maybe three or four days in the middle when some special snowflakes engaged in a concerted downmod campaign against me. Mostly, though, even when people try that they fail, because I get so many positive mods. Nobody has tried in half a year or so, IIRC. The last attempt failed rapidly.
If I lose all slashdot karma and get driven off the site, I'll find some other copious waste of time. It doesn't change the fact that the slashdot moderation system is broken by design, and that there's no high ground here.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Not really sure you can blame SRS for that though, unless the information was on SRS, or advocated by them and the admins did nothing.
I'm not saying this didn't happen, incidentally. If it did then SRS should absolutely be banned.
People who want to use mod points to win an argument will create two (or more) accounts. Comment from an account that doesn't have mod points, then mod themselves up from a different account. The rule accomplishes probably nothing.
If instead Reddit was saying that they would ban all homosexual users, would you then see what is wrong with it?
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Posting to undo bad mod, sorry (stupid drop-down)
A classic case of trying to swap other people into an argument and finding that that doesn't actually prove your own point, it proves mine and suggests you haven't even thought for a second why Reddit is taking these actions.
If Reddit banned homosexuals for being homosexual I would say they're being jackasses, both because homosexuals aren't actually hurting anyone, and are a minority commonly subject to horrific abuses that a "ban" would legitimize, whereas trolls that doxx and otherwise harass minority groups hurting people, and are not in any way a group that suffers unjustified persecution themselves.
Note though that the complaint would be that they're being jackasses, not that they're "censoring" anyone. I appreciate that on a forum where the word "rape" is commonly used to mean "charged a whole $10 for a music CD" that the idea words matter might seem quaint and absurd, but believe me, they do.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
Then you've failed Reading 101 because I didn't mention any legal context. I said it's not censorship because it isn't, Someone refusing to allow THEIR voice to be used to amplify yours is NEVER censorship under any definition of the term.
There is no set of circumstances in which someone has some moral responsibility to repeat the words of those they find objectionable and reprehensible. You don't get to do that. If Reddit had some kind of monopoly on speech, you might be able to suggest they have some kind of quasi-legal responsibility to do so, purely because free speech would be impossible if someone has somehow managed to be the gatekeeper of all thought. But they don't. You have alternatives. You don't get to call them banning the use of their infrastructure to discharge your point of view "censorship".
As for your displacement complaint, this is about blocking forums, not blocking individuals. There's little difference between someone saying "Well, let's go to KIA to find out what Gamergaters think!" and saying "Let's go to 8chan to find out what Gamergaters think!". They're equally easy. Reddit doesn't make one harder than the other. Indeed, in many ways, it's the opposite, with direct links between opposing Reddit forums frequently discouraged by moderators of both sending and receiving subs.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
I had also have significant experience (PhD researcher) in some narrow topics that are frequently discussed in ask science. I've never been forceful enough to get banned, but I did stop contributing because the 6th grade understanding always trumps the nuanced answers, often in a rather hilariously aggressive way. I see that a lot here as well. Non experts also generally fail to understand the dynamism of their topics. I deal enough with this in the real life, what is the purpose of further subjecting myself to this in an environment where I have nothing to gain?
I dealt with a similar thing on Wikipedia. a couple of the articles are within my domain of expertise. on one or two occasions I attempted to invest a little bit of time in making the articles better through additional text, citations, corrections, etc. Everything was immediately reverted by others. I could go to the mat on something, and argue in the talk pages on why my content is valid, but why bother? I have actual stuff to do.
Not feelings, perhaps, but legitimate fear for one's safety, and not the "we need to packet capture the whole internet in order to keep you safe, citizen" type.
There's a difference between "we made fun of X" (which is unkind) VS "we made fun of X, then posted his/her address and personal information with suggestions to cause harm" (which is legitimately threatening).
I ignore that.
I get downvoted pretty hard every so often and then am back up to excellent in a few days.
Say the new apple product is bullshit... get downvoted by apple fanboys saying you're a troll.
Say some science article is leaping to conclusions or needs more evidence? Get hordes of cultists for that issue falling on you saying you're a denier of science.
Say some social issue is dominated by sociopathic con artists preying on the gullible for cash and power... again... labeled troll.
And two or three days later... Excellent.
So who gives a shit? Ignore the fuckwits. Say what you believe and if they can't handle that then fuck em.
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Reddit are censoring the speech that they permit on their site, by removing that speech.
Why are you so opposed to using the term in that context?
I defended imperial.
Rating: Excellent.
They tried to downvote me actually but I got more upvotes than downvotes. I was pleasantly surprised.
I also made a post close to that where I basically laughed at the idea that Russia could be a real threat to the US... and I did something similar for China. All backed up with "facts" about how the Russian economy is lower than Slovaka per capita and China's export economy can't actually grow more than it has... and little things about how various bits of hardware and tech don't actually compete with the US version.
I mean... I really buck the trend all the time. I'm just going through your list... I do all those things.
And I do get karmabombed now and again. But I'm Excellent again in a couple days worst case.
I also don't really care. I'm not here to make people like me. I'm here to see what people think about what I think. I also like the articles.
So when someone says they don't like what I said... okay, why? And if they don't have a reason then they don't have a reason. I don't take their opinion seriously. Just as bad is if their opinion is based on a misunderstanding of the facts or general bias. I'm not taking that seriously either.
What I really want is for someone to disagree with me for a good reason. I learn from that. Those are rare... in part because most of my opinions are already backed up by a lot of research and facts. And in part because there are an awful lot of morons on this site.
Anyway, you can't allow yourself to care about the Karambombs. The morons win then. I refuse to let them win. They're entirely too stupid to deserve a win.
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And here we get why ACs are generally regarded to be automatic fucktards.
Your first mistake was strawmanning me... or goalpost moving. I'm not quite sure technically what happened there. But what you did was change the context of my comment so that it meant something else.
The fellow I was commenting against was bitching about APK who can be annoying at times but the guy isn't mean spirited. He's clearly some kind of autistic and he's very focused on his software. I'll also point out that he actually created something that actually works.
Where as the piece of shit that was criticizing him doesn't log in, likely never created anything of value, and given his lack of self awareness is probably not one to provide any input of value.
Here you then say I'm engaging against ad hominem forgetting that the previous person was doing the same thing.
Are you then agreeing with me that the likes of APK etc shouldn't be censored? If so, we agree.
If you think they should be censored then on what basis? And how do you not fall into the same ad hominem charge you leveled at me?
See?
Now, I don't get comments this stupid with any consistently from people that log in. I just don't. Maybe that's a just a coincidence. But at this point, I associate ACs with fucktards.
Just how it is.
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Orwell didn't have a problem with people disclosing their records to general audit. He was more concerned with an authoritarian state dominating society through a mixture of censorship and propaganda.
Disclosing your history to the general public doesn't really touch on anything Orwell had a problem with unless the only people that could see it would be the authorities. If everyone can see it then he wouldn't have a problem with it.
I don't think you are especially familiar with Orwell.
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Yep. I can't deny a certain amount of smug satisfaction when an HOA actually goes to court and not only loses, but loses with prejudice basically to the point that the homeowner and property can't be touched by them again. Doesn't happen often, but it's delicious when it does.
Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
Here I disagree. You can't ignore the trolls. You have to destroy them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
You have to charge like a space marine into the green tide.
You don't give ground to the Trolls. You break them.
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Ehm... exactly how are they going to doxx me if I don't disclose my personal information anywhere?
To doxx me, you'd have to get my IP address, then cross reference that with the ISPs accounts.
Good luck.
And even so, when you say "terrorist" what does that mean?
Well, first you're likely talking about Swatting. I would LOVE to be swatted by some trolls. Because increasingly they're going to pound you in the ass prison.
So the cost to me is that I get scared for about 5 minutes as dudes with machine guns kick my door in.
And you go to jail for ten years?
Deal. In fact, could we please just have all the trolls SWAT me at once? It will save time. I'll literally accept a bullet wound to send a fair number of those idiots to some prison we keep all the pedophiles in... I'll sit there on a light morphine drip giggling and clouds while they're getting touched in all the wrong places by slimy bald dudes in their 50s.
Seriously. Who wins there?
Who dies from Swatting also? I mean... it is scary and has the potential for someone to get shot. But since they tend to barge in on guys in their boxers eating cherrios... I don't think anyone has actually been shot yet?
And again. I would take a bullet if it led to about ten of them going to prison. Totally worth it.
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I've always found mod or post system as a bit of a filter. If I understand the topic at hand I'll usually read through the comments before posting (and if time permits the article too). After reading the comments, if someone else already made the same or similar comments I would have made, I mod them up rather than sharing my opinion. Otherwise, if my points aren't, made I'll join the conversation. I think this system works better then hundreds of "I agree" type postings.
For those coming from the SJW-friendly sectors of Reddit (such as SRS,Ghazi):
Quit trying to harass the non-SJW population while you're still behind.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
The shadow ban was innovative when I first saw it done on a Minitel network in 1993, today it's nothing new and very effective when used sparingly. (It was called "isolation" back then)
Sparingly is the key word, moderators don't seem to understand the concept of moderation lately. In-fact, I actually think moderators encourage trolling by being heavy handed.
Hey bingo.
Does it bother you that you're as obvious as you are?
As to breaking anyone... how would you know, bingo? You're not exactly an impartial judge are you? :)
You're so mindlessly hostile and irrational that it makes you unsuitable as a judge of much of anything.
I can think of four people that changed their posting patterns after I cut a strip out of them recently.
As to the ACs? My objective there is more to deligtimize them more than break any one of them. A lot of people just outright ignore ACs. The have a karma of 0 so a lot of people don't even see you morons in the first place.
I don't believe in that tactic. I believe in engaging and destroying you... and of course deligitimizing the entire class of poster.
I'd engage more with you but you're so fucking stupid and formulaic that it isn't worth my time.
Your fatal flaw is that on top of everything you're boring. Be more interesting and I'll interact with you more if you're feeling lonely.
Otherwise, most of your posts are just going to get a "hey bingo" out of me.
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Lolz... an AC accusing other people that actually login of being sockpuppets.
Listen shit for brains, if you don't log in you don't have any right to judge people that do. We have records. You do not. Saying "look at hte record of the guy that logs in"... who the fuck do you think you are? You're an AC.
A coward that won't login because he's afraid of people judging him. But despite that you feel you are entitled to judge those of us that do?
OH NOES you don't like being called out for your shitty behavior? What ever will I do. Oh that's right... I won't care. *yawn*
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I've never had a problem with him. He's an extreme personality but I understand how his mind works.
A lot of people don't seem to be good at empathizing with other people and understanding how their minds work. APK is very focused on what matters to him. And he actually knows what he is talking about from what I've seen.
ALso... ACs don't get to diss people that log in. Either log in or don't diss people that have the stones to log in. Its fucking bullshit.
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Value my life? What would threaten it? Some furious 12 year olds?
Please cite a real world example of cyberstalking leading to actual harm.
I'm not aware of any.
I've seen some people get sent creepy shit in the mail or have their employers called, or had people call in false police reports... beyond that. Not a whole lot.
The worst thing I can credit as possible would be swatting. And I don't think I'd get hurt. I think I'd be embarrassed because the police would see my skull and crossbones boxers that I'm wearing right now. They glow in the dark. :D
Will the police shoot me with their automatic weapons? I really doubt it. I think they'll yell at me and maybe zip tie my hands until they're sure I'm not going to reach for that spoon in my bowl of cheerios.
As to your fear about getting doxxed... again, only an issue if you're dumb enough to post your personal information online.
I have fake identities. As in... legit fake identities. And use those when people want me to log in with address, email, phone number, etc.
All fake. The address links to a PO box I have, the email goes no where.... the phone number is totally fake.
I had a youtube channel that got DCMAed and I had to give google my information to unlock it. They got my fake info. :)
Unless you're law enforcement you're not going to doxx me. So this paranoia about getting found out is a absurd. Its a stupid worry. You can keep your real life identity a secret really easily. So do that. This is no excuse to be AC. Give me a break.
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Case in point.
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First, don't be obtuse. Making stupid rebuttals when I called ACs stupid only validates my point. Make a less retarded counter argument. I wonder if a gun were put against your head and someone counted to a 100 if you could do it. If this is all you've got, I'm guessing not.
Second, as to names not mattering, then login shitstain. Why are you going AC if you're not afraid of having your stupid posts judged? ehm?
Third, my superiority is not in my own mind. It is verifiable. You can believe otherwise if you like. But given that you won't even login with your fake name onto a fairly obscure messaging board... that tells anyone paying attention how much confidence you have in your own standing.
You're garage.
I'd be okay with people posting AC every so often but there are people that only post AC. And that kind of person is pretty much uniformly a fuckwit.
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Wait wait.
So you start off saying it is okay for you to judge people then you say that it is wrong to judge people?
Which is it?
If you think people should not be judged on their posting history then you negate your first statement about ACs judging people that log in on their post history.
You can't have it both ways.
Let me fix your comment for you:
Can ACs judge people that login based on their post history?
Not without being massive fucking hypocrites.
So the answer is not "uhm yes" it is "no".
You can't argue otherwise without admitting to hypocrisy which kills the credibility of your position.
So... its either agree with me or have no credibility.
That isn't an opinion. That's logic.
Here is where I insert disparaging comments about ACs. And the reason for that is comments like yours tend to come almost exclusively from ACs on this board. I'm sure you're a lovely person. But your class of poster is a fucking cancer on this community.
Just saying.
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And yet I've interacted with him positively on every single encounter.
The first time I ran into him he was very defensive. And it inclined him to fight with me.
But as I said, I recognized his mental type and so I just patiently explained that I wasn't his enemy and then listened to his point.
It wasn't easy because again... he was very defensive. I think he's attacked so much that he just stays in that mode. Anyway. I interacted with him just fine.
I've subsequently run into a few times since and he recognizes me and knows I get him. So all following interactions were a lot easier.
As to stones... its all relative isn't it?
I may not want to get 12 year olds swatting me... but I'm happy enough to stand on my record on this forum. Where as you're not.
You're so afraid of being judged that you stay AC. So... do I have greater stones than you? Yep.
More likely I just don't care if some moron downvotes me. It really doesn't bother me.
The funniest thing that happens when people are doxxed is the pizzas. Man... I'd doxx myself if it meant I got pizzas at some interval. Totally worth it.
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... I accused you of being obtuse because I assumed you were being rhetorically stupid... that is, pretending to be stupid for argumentive advantage.
Hmmm... I could have made a mistake there.
Very well, I'll explain myself if my comment wasn't self evident.
1. Your rebuttal was based on the notion that the off handed example of threw out was wrong because you could search for it. The problem with your statement is that while that could be true for that example, the specific example itself wasn't critical. I could cite any of a dozen things someone could do that would be hard to search in that way. Thus my argument would be valid but my example which is not critical would need correction. Your fixation on that as something you could use to undermine my position was obtuse... either deliberately or because you are ACTUALLY stupid.
I assumed you were not literally dumb. My mistake.
2. As to how I define less or more retarded arguments, it has nothing to do with the speed with which they're made. In fact, if you spent more time thinking about what you posted before you posted, it would probably improve your posts. So... post more slowly.
3. As to commands, I was pointing out the contradiction in your argument. The point was not to order you but explain the flaw in your argument. Again, you'd know this if you weren't stupid. It is quite obvious.
4. As to arguments for not posting as AC... you can post as AC all you like. You just lack any moral authority to judge people that log in if you do. that is the price.
You can't be judged if you log in as AC. And as such you cannot yourself judge those that do login.
Otherwise you put yourself in a position where you can judge others but they can't judge you. It is inherently immoral and unethical. You need a level playing field.
if you want to judge me. Then login. if you don't, then you can't.
As to proving me to be a liar...where? As to being a rage a holic... I would say that I just have a low tolerance for people that offer nothing of value to the community while wasting the time of everyone that does.
Listen to the people saying why they don't log in and most of their reasons boil down to not wanting to deal with morons like YOU. You censor quality discussions because most people just don't want to deal with you. You're a fucking cancer.
As to garbage being related to a fat joke... I don't see the reference. What does fat have to do with garbage? When I call someone garbage I mean to associate them with stuff you put in a plastic bag, throw in metal can, and then send off by some conveyance to the city dump... where upon you may be either incinerated or simply compacted into the earth... ideally to compost.
What I'm saying is that your biomass would be more usefully given over to bacteria. That's what I mean when I say "you're garbage"...
I don't know where you got the fat reference. Are you fat? Tell me you are so I can make fun of you for it. :D
As to discrediting my argument about the AC troll... no. That argument remains valid.
Yawn... why are nearly all ACs so fucking stupid. You're just a choir to deal with... Its like paying tic tac toe with a chicken. You don't even know what you're doing.
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People need to man up and stop getting upset about words. We should be free to post anything we like.
FARK.com went through a similar "cleansing" a while back, again motivated by the desire for advertising revenue. I moved to IMGUR as an alternative to FARK.
That was done with a few other sites in an attempt to contain the GamerGate controversy. It failed.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
... yawn... so, did you want to explain your position at all or just allude to it and walk off giggling to yourself?
Your move.
Chance are I'm just going to cite Poe's Law even if there is something there. Which will put the error on vague delivery.
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I can literally cite quotes of fucktard ACs judging either me or someone else that logs in.
You can't be dumb enough to doubt I could pull those up... could you?
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What anger? What you're reading is contempt.
Contempt =/= anger.
Anger is an emotion born of fear. I do not fear ACs. I regard them in much the same way you'd regard a bucket of shit.
Are you angry with a bucket of shit because it is a bucket of shit?
But to have contempt for a bucket of shit... now, that makes sense.
In ability to process simple distinctions is one of the many hallmarks of the AC poster. They're almost all so stupid they can't process the difference between very clearly different things.
In your case, not being able to distinguish anger from contempt.
I also question whether you even know the difference. To you, the two concepts probably are interchangeable. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Do you understand the difference between anger and contempt or not? Because if you... then why do I need to explain this to you? And if not... doesn't that prove my point?
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Calling someone a fucktard is not evidence of anger. It is more an example of a dismissive attitude.
Furthermore, calling someone a fucktard is only a sign of poor judgment if that JUDGMENT is in error.
You would then have to argue that someone was not a fucktard and that my judgement of them was wrong. And from that you could question my judgment.
But just saying "anyone that says anyone else is a fucktard can't be right" is itself fucktarded.
As to links with ACs judging. ... you really are amazing. Okay!:
http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
""Just because you don't like what they have to say, and when people see your obvious displays of anger in your posts and call you angry. Similarly what you do is judgmental, but when people point out the failures in your reasoning and the general degree of immaturity in your posts, they are not judging you but rather using your own writing to make an assessment. Pull out the dictionary next time you're in class and look up the difference between those two words, or try an online dictionary while you're home over summer vacation.
So indeed, if you think an AC has been "judging" you, go ahead and lay it out with links to the posts where you think that happened. The fact you haven't actually bothered to do that yet suggests that you won't be able to, but you might be able to surprise us yet.""
Did you or did you not just judge me in that post? From this alone I can tell someone peed in your gene pool.
In this post, an AC presumes to judge me.
And to prove ACs are almost always morons... and you specifically are obviously one... you judged me in the same post where you challenged me to provide evidence of ACs judging.
I mean... how do you have enough brain power to keep your lungs working? You are easily one of the dumber ACs on this board. Congrats. You contradicted yourself and provided evidence for me in the same post where you said I was wrong and challenged me to provide evidence.
Moron.
Just stop talking. In a saner world, people like you would speak when spoken to.
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Slashdot is shitting the bed again. Citing me for violating the Lameness filter which is not defined or explained anywhere that I can find. I can usually go through a post and figure out the specific sentence it doesn't like but it never makes any sense. It will respond negatively to a specific sentence in a specific context that is pretty inscrutable and then totally ignore an identical sentence in an apparently similar context.
Anyway, when I get this error, I just put the post in pastebin and then link it. I can't be bothered to figure out what slashdot's damage is...
http://pastebin.com/cvvnduu9
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As to mature adults... History is actually full of great men that would call morons... "morons" to their faces.
Issac Newton is a good example.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ro...
Am I mad because I call someone saying stupid shit a fucktard? Nope. I just think they're fucktards.
As to there being no proper definition of the word... apparently you don't know how definitions work. Words are defined by their USE. That is why dictionary definitions get updated or they include terms like "lolz" or definitions drift over time.
The official definition is literally a consensus. There is no official definition of words that supersedes consensus.
Therefore, you know what fucktard means because you know how it is used.
The term is quite obvious in its meaning. It is obviously the combination of two words. "fuck" and "retard". The term is obviously an explicative joined to an evaluation of someone's intelligence.
This is something that even a child of 10 would get.
The fact that you're struggling with it merely validates my position that you are in fact a fucktard. ;)
As to the quote tag. Why? Your reading comprehension is so poor that you couldn't expect me to believe it would make any difference.
As to whether I was judged... You're just contradicting reality now. Fine. 2+2=22. Believe what you want. You're too stupid to have an opinion worth anything in the first place. I've seen animals with more self awareness than you.
As to speaking when spoken to... ehmmm... exactly who spoke to whom first... idiot? Was it he that spoke to me first?
You say I fail logic but you're quite clearly incapable of working out even the simplest of rational statements.
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As to what is and is not anger... you have no insight into my psychology. You don't know how my mind works.
You also don't know how anger works. Your entire conception of human psychology... much less my own psychology is absurdly primitive.
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Oh so now you want to claim that what is appropriate isn't a matter of culture or consensus?
Then what is your basis for saying my comments were inappropriate? Your argument is going to be "well people don't do that"... to which I pointed out that people actually do that all the time. They just don't do it at the preschool world you live in.
Talk to anyone outside of your sad, sterile, PC bubble and you'll find that amongst people that actually accomplish things... morons get called morons.
And the reason for that is that morons fuck things up. They really fuck up everything they have any control over. And so anyone that wants to accomplish something can't have morons involved in any aspect of the decision making process. It destroys the system.
As to whether I am comparable to Issac newton, I said no such thing, small minded, fucktard. I instead was pointing out that people of accomplishment and intelligence are often harsh with their inferiors.
That is my point. You'd have realized that if you weren't so fucking inferior.
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No problem:
"Well, maybe if you're 12. Mature adults do not conduct themselves with such terms when they want to be taken seriously.
Actually, no. Even a 12 year old would only use that term in anger. No mature person would use it any other way."
How do you know what mature adults do or do not do? And what is this about being taken seriously?
What's funny about all this is that you actually believe your line of bullshit. Which means you've never met someone that spoke harshly to you coldly.
See, I don't need to be angry to call someone a fucktard or to say someone is garbage. It isn't a requirement. I do the math. I add up the figures and then cite the conclusion.
(Stupid comment + lack of awareness) * in ability to process the errors when they come due = idiot.
There's no anger there.
Again, anger is an emotion born of FEAR. See someone angry and they're afraid first. Think about it.
No, idiot. Don't respond. Stop and think. Process the question. Actually think about it.
Go through your mind of people that were angry and note that they were all afraid first.
A man with no fear cannot know anger.
And the reality here is that you have no ability to threaten me so I can't know fear from you and so I can't be angry.
QED, fucktwit.
The above is quite obvious to anyone that isn't a child or with a child's grasp of the human mind.
I see people that are angry all the time. And whenever I do... i know they're afraid of something. And that is always an interesting observation. I ask myself "what are they afraid of"...
but you? you can't do anything to me. You're meaningless. And as such I can't fear you. And as I can't fear you, there is no cause for anger. For anger is a way of dealing with fear.
You can't win, little one. You are an insect challenging a man. I play with you on my fingers as you scurry across the surface of my skin. But you are nothing. I flick my wrist and you are gone.
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bingo, you're so transparent... try harder.
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I just quoted you suggesting that something I said wasn't mature and you used as an argument what you considered to be social norms.
How stupid are you? Rhetorical question... very. :D
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My statement was as self evident as 1+1=2. If you're too dumb to follow along, that isn't my fault.
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Bingo, one of you brain dead ACs said that only a 12 year old would have made the comment I made.
Now what is the basis for that comment, your brainless sack of shit?
Cultural convention and personal experience.
You can't base that comment on anything else.
And to that point, I responded that your conventions were little more than cultural taboos. Affectations of your society. Why do I have to care what your culture considers valid behavior? Why does your culture have preeminence over mine?
Linus Trovald has been cited repeatedly by people as being very rude to idiots. He'll cus them out and call them morons. He'll say their code is sloppy shit unworthy of any role in the project. He'll say the people that wrote the code are themselves idiots that due to their intellectual defiency are unworthy of contributing to the product as anything more than makers of sandwiches.
Now... that is my culture. I'm not saying I'm Linus. I'm saying rather that we share a common culture. And in our culture, adults do and will cus out fucktards for being fucktards. It isn't a demonstration of immaturity in our culture. It is rather our responsibility to challenge stupid people in our midst and show that by that challenge they are our inferiors.
So when you say "only a 12 year old would say X" in my culture that isn't true. You're attempting a kind of cultural imperialism. You are implying that your culture has a right to pull rank on my culture and force it to adapt its social norms to yours.
I reject that, bingo. Your culture is full of far too many idiots with far too much undeserved credibility.
My culture has problems but that isn't one of them. Fools are not suffered gladly in my culture. We label them as such and isolate them so they can't harm our societies. If anything, I think my culture is superior to yours. And I would sooner impose my culture on yours than permit you to impose yours on mine.
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I already explained that to you... at least twice.
If you're too stupid to understand my very clear comment then that isn't my problem.
At a certain point, talking to you people is a little like trying to explain algebra to dogs.
So here's what I'm going to do...
*hands stupid dog a biscuit*
There you go. Now go sit on your little bed and don't bother me.
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No I don't. I include insults in my posts because they're justified. There are some profoundly stupid people on this board. You are personally an excellent example of my point.
But I do include reasons and an argument outside of the insult for why I conclude things.
Contradict me. Try it.
As to linus not calling people idiots etc:
http://www.quora.com/Is-Linus-...
Everyone that knows anything knows about it. Since you don't, you don't know anything.
Kindly fuck off. You're useless.
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no, shit for brains... every one of them is justified. ;)
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The citation you listed was evidence in my favor. Not yours.
yawn yawn yawn.
Also you're not taking the previous posts into the context.
If I say something with an argument in post 1 and then in post 4 just say "you're an idiot" it does not mean my argument is based on ad hominem. It means rather that the argument was cited previously and can be assumed to stand without citation.
You're such an idiot :D
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No, it was the thing you cited right before I made that comment. You can find the link very easily or you're just trying to waste my time.
Either way.
Man... I am so sick. I've had a fever for days. I'm just sitting here drinking tea trying to get a little rest.
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I did... many times. You just ask again.
Its not a productive discussion. If you don't accept evidence when presented then you can't ask for evidence. At the very least you'd need to show why the evidence was wrong but you don't do that. You just ask for evidence again.
From my perspective I could show you god coming down and saying "karma is right, here are the mysteries of the universe that prove it"... and you'd mulishly deny it.
You remind me of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
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you've asked dozens of times.
You just deny and contradict.
You're like some fucking retarded chatbot that just asks for proof of things without the requist processing to realize when questions were answered.
Here you'll say I didn't answer you questions... ex-fucking-actly. That's what you do. Over and over again... mindlessly.
Either accept the evidence when provided, show why the evidence is wrong, or you don't get to ask for evidence.
You were given evidence. So you can either address that or you don't get more.
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As to what is and is not anger... you have no insight into my psychology.
Actually, any intelligent person reading this thread does know a great deal about your psychology.
To put it simply, you're a moron. Morons literally cannot think for themselves or evaluate an idea objectively. Everything has to be subjective, tied to a particular name or face, so that your pea sized brain can sort and categorize those people.
Morons do not have the intellectual capacity to evaluate ideas; you evaluate people--and quite poorly at that, since your focus is actually on attacking and proving yourself superior, not in getting to the truth of anything. Which is of course why you fail time and time again to make any kind of logical argument, preferring instead to be an insulting asshat who cries bitterly about people "hiding" in anonymity.
Your favorite argument, the ad hominem (followed closely by the sockpuppet downmod) loses a considerable amount of power when a person's comments are not neatly indexed by their name for you to label, and demonize accordingly. That's why it enrages you so much that people post anonymously. It makes you feel powerless against them. Which you are.
Learn to respect and worship the power of God, rather than your own pathetic self, if you'd like to begin to understand why people in this world do know a hell of a lot more about you than you give them credit for.